1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: On the huddle this evening we have Jack Tame, host 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: of Q and A Saturday Mornings on Newstaloks. They'd be 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: and David Ferrer of Kweiblog and also a polster for Curia. 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: Hello you two carry head. Jack. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: It seems to be that another investigation is not likely 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: but necessary. What do you think? 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 8 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first of all, Matthew outstanding, like absolutely 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head there. I think he's 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: totally right in the commission Chambers has been right to 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: be super outspoken about this and when it comes to 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: police's reputation, maximum transparency is in the institution's interests, right, 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: it is in the interests of police to have every 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: bit of transparency now, every investigation if necessary, in order 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: to regain the trust of the public which will have 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: been lost through this whole process. And judging from the 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: Commissioner's comments over the last twenty four hours, you can 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: imagine he's the sort of person who would probably support that. 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: Ye. 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Is there any way David that they can that there 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: could not be an investigation? I mean it seems to 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: me like it is an absolute necessity. 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: I think it is. Where it ends up, we don't 24 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: know but there is clearly potential criminal offending there. I mean, 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: when you look at this, so much you could talk about. 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: But just the fact we've learnt that the commissioner instructed 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: the private sexies and the minister's offers to hide from 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: the minister and the minister's other stars any emails out 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: mexciving now they knew he was applying for commissioner, the 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: minister in the PM appoint the commissioner to actually actively 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: be hiding reputational emails from the minister by instructing his 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: own start not to show them. 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: Even if you believe that he thinks he's doing the 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: right thing and stopping some like in his mind, maybe 35 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: some natty eggs from ruining this guy's career. Even if 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: you think that you're doing the right thing, it is 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: the wrong thing to hide. 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: It isn't it. Oh? Absolutely, And here's what's shocking. It 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 3: wasn't one or two bet apples implicated for really the 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: decision making sure he's on There is the commissioner, three 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: depy commissioners and two assistant commissioners. Six are probably the 42 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: top million police officers at the time, and none of 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: them said, hey, wait a sec, maybe we shouldn't just 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 3: like listen to one side of this. Maybe we should 45 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: investigate him find out the fact. That's what's astonishing. Don't 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: blame it all on Coster, that there were three deep pleas, 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: two assistants and the commissioner all applied appalling judgment. 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah too, right now, Jack, what do you reckon? Do 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: you reckon Andrew Coster did it because he's a bad 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: guy or do you think he did it because he's 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: just bad at his job and displayed some very bad judgment. 52 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea, And I think it's interesting 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: that he's at the center of all of this, given 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: he was such a politically divisive figure when he was commissioner. 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: You know, he had a huge levels of support, was 56 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: promoted at quite a young age and was a sort 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: of new thing, and then obviously fell out of political support. 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: But clearly the fact that this report has come from 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: the independent Police Conduct Authority is absolutely vital. This isn't 60 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: a politically motivated report. I mean that the clue is 61 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: in the name they are independent. That being said, I mean, 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: I think it's totally untenable for him to continue in 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: his current position. I just hope that when a deal 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: is negotiated or whatever is decided, and it may have 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: already been decided today, that we hear from Andrew Costa. 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: I think it's really really important that we actually understand 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: from his perspective exactly what's gone down. So I hope 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: that if the deal is reached, it doesn't include some 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: all encompassing gag order that means he doesn't ever make 70 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: public comments about it. I think the public deserve to 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: hear from him. 72 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: You're right, and you should absolutely not get a payout. 73 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: We'll take a break, come back to you guys in 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: a tip. Right, you're back with the huddle. David Pharaoh, 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Jack Tame. David Labor can probably take heart, can't it 76 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: that his vote has held up and it's actually gone 77 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: up despite the capital gains tax policy announcement. 78 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, if you're a party, going up's always good 79 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: than the polls after policy. Really having said that, they 80 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: know that they went up at the expense of national 81 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 3: than the Greens, because obviously one grows the center left 82 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: vote and one doesn't. But even putting that to one side, 83 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: if your Laby, you'd rather you have that two extra 84 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: percent than the Greens have it, Jack. 85 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: I mean just think about every other time they try 86 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: to capital gainstacks and it's effectively tanked their campaigns. I 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: think that policy was very, very deliberately designed to upset 88 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: the fewest voters possible. They've managed to launch it and 89 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: hasn't totally tanked them. Their their votes held about the same. 90 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: I reckon they will chalk this up as a significant 91 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: policy victory. 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 93 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: I would say so as well, David, because I mean 94 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: what it's done is it's managed to kind of pulling 95 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: that because they do want to increase themselves within the 96 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: left block, and there was no way that they were 97 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: going to increase They weren't going to increase the block itself, 98 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: were they. So actually, all things considered, this is about 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: the best they could have hoped for. 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: I won't quite go there. I've felt very early day 101 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: people just know okay only applies to property. I think 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: when you see a a campaign launched against it him, 103 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: there is going to be one pointing out that it 104 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: taxes you for inflation that has not real gained its nominal. 105 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: I think then you may find it starts to go 106 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: the other way. For I think New Zealanders believe in fairness, 107 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: and I don't think that people will see it fear 108 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: that you tax people. Just fort David, is. 109 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: This campaign going to be launched by the Taxpayers Union 110 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: rather than the National Party. 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: I have no knowledge of what tax what National Party 112 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 3: is going to do, because the. 113 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: National Party seems incapable of running a campaign against it 114 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: at the moment. They've been weirdly mute on it. 115 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: Probably, But yeah, I don't know what National thing. But yes, 116 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: I'm almost certain the tax Friers Union will of course 117 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: be campaigning against a new increased tax, especially one that 118 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: taxes inflation. That's their job. 119 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: Well. 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: See, now this is a good point from from David, 121 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: isn't it, Jack, Because once that campaign gets up and running, 122 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: labor should fall back in the poll. 123 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 3: Well. 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's just just just you know, I mean, 125 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: I think it's just been so carefully, so meticulously engineered 126 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: that they are just trying to hold off attacks from 127 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: the left and hold off the attacks from the right 128 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: and try and hold the central ground. I'm sure that 129 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: once we get a little closer to the election, both 130 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: at tax Page Union and National and Act and maybe 131 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: even New Zealand First are going to sharpen the spears 132 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: a little bit and attacking the policy. So yeah, I 133 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: don't think we can. I don't think we can write 134 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: it off yet. But compared to previous launchers of a 135 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: capital gains tax, you would have to say that labor 136 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: support is holding up better than it has on the multi. Yes, yes, 137 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: it is extremely low. 138 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: Bar Now, Jack, would you rather the council reseal your 139 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: road with chip Seal or Asphelt given chip Seal as 140 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: a whole lot cheaper. 141 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what I want? I want to I 142 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: want more for less, so I want to pay the 143 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: same rates, but I want my road to have ash Feld. 144 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: Are you getting as Felt on your road, because there's 145 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: a lot of roads. 146 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 147 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: No, I've got I've got the old chip seal. And 148 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: the thing that annoys me more than the ash Felt 149 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: versus chip Seal is I've still got like heaps of 150 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: really old telephone lines everywhere. 151 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, actually gets it to the front of the village. 152 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: Ah, it's a bit of a honestly, It's like it 153 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: feels like you're sort of like a developing country at times, 154 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: Like I look at some of these lines and I'm like, 155 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: there's not even leading anywhere. It's flopping around in the 156 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: wind at the fund anyway, So I would, I would, 157 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: that would be my number one priority when it comes 158 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: to street aesthetics. 159 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: What have you got, David? Have you got? Have you 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: got asphelt or chip seal and lines up or lines down? 161 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: Ash ferultume, But lines are up, but lot chip seal. 162 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: It isn't just slightly cheaper, it's massively cheaper. So I 163 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: am of the view that you should be used yet 164 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: because lots of rates. We're getting up two or three 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: percent maybe, but rates are being out ten or twenty percent. 166 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: You have to you know, do the mustads that Jack. 167 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Is a member of the Taxpayers Union. It's really important 168 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: to understand that he's just tight. 169 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: As can we Can we how about this for a compromise? 170 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: Can we this is really going to wind you up? 171 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Can we have chip seal for the road, but pass 172 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: seal for my bike plane? 173 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: Oh? You know what? That just that I have announced today? 174 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: You buzz killed me Jack, But I can understand it 175 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: because I don't want you to die when you're on 176 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: your bike. Hey guys, thank you very much, appreciate it. 177 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: David Farrer, Jack Tamer huddle this 178 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: Evening for more from hither Duplessy Alan Drive listen live 179 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 3: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 180 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio