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Speaker 1: for the full picture, Heather duper Clan Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be hey, good afternoon for the show. Well, good

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Speaker 2: afternoon rather and welcome to the show. Let's run that

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Speaker 2: two separate sentences. Government's announced that that review of the

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Speaker 2: White Tonguey Tribunal is going to get cap started. The

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Speaker 2: Minister Thummer Portucker on that we're going to get the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Catholic Church's reaction to Pope Leo and ird

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Speaker 2: has found one hundred and fifty million dollars in unpaid

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Speaker 2: property taxes, will get their take.

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Speaker 3: On that, Heather dup c Alos.

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Speaker 2: Pope hasn't even been pope for a day and already

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Speaker 2: Leo has become political because the Maga Crown are melting

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Speaker 2: down at the moment over some of his past social

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Speaker 2: media posts in which he criticized Donald Trump and Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's administration. And look, these social media posts are not

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Speaker 2: ancient history. They are from this year. There was one

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Speaker 2: from February in which he reposted an article that criticized

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Speaker 2: JD Vance's position on migrants and then as recently as April.

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Speaker 2: Only last month, he reposted a comment asking Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: if his conscience is not disturbed by the suffering caused

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Speaker 2: by sending suspected gang members to Al Salvador jails. Now,

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Speaker 2: to be fair to the Pope, what he did was

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Speaker 2: pretty tame in the social media world. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't particularly nasty, and you know that says

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Speaker 2: a lot, given how nasty social media can be. But

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Speaker 2: as a result of this, it is now no secret

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Speaker 2: how he feels about Trump's politics, especially when it comes

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Speaker 2: to migrants. Now, normally, I'm of the opinion that if

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Speaker 2: you're not actually involved in politics, you better stay out

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Speaker 2: of it. You know what I'm talking about sports teams

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Speaker 2: and sports leagues and businesses and stuff, because getting involved

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Speaker 2: in politics invariably means choosing sides, and choosing sides means

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Speaker 2: upsetting the other side, and so you just basically lose

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Speaker 2: with half the people, right. But I do not have

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Speaker 2: the same opinion when it comes to the Pope. I

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Speaker 2: think it is the job of the Pope and every

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Speaker 2: of people like my raagrants, the poorest and the most downtrodden.

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Speaker 2: And I might not agree with everything the Pope says

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Speaker 2: or his general stance on this, but I think it

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Speaker 2: is absolutely his job to share his opinion on the

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Speaker 2: suffering of others as he perceives it. In fact, I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to see him do it because for too long,

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Speaker 2: Christian leaders and especially the Catholic Church, have got way

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Speaker 2: too distracted by opulence and personal wealth, when actually the

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Speaker 2: true roots of the religion are a complete opposite. It's

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Speaker 2: about living with and looking after the people who need

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Speaker 2: you most. Now, I bet this is going to burst

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's balloon, though in it because, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 2: he was pretty stoked this morning to have America's first

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Speaker 2: pope so early in his term, and obviously a reflection

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Speaker 2: much fun when America's first pope is not such a

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, actually, this guy turns out to be fascinating.

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Speaker 2: We give you so many more Pope facts, more Pope facts,

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Speaker 2: and you know what to do with over drinkies. This

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Speaker 4: By the way.

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Speaker 2: Now on dogs, the issue of dog attacks is backfront

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Speaker 2: and center. After a vicious attack on a child at

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Speaker 2: the warning out. They say the rise of off leash

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Speaker 2: was wider than that. Last year in Auckland alone there

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Speaker 2: were five hundred and ninety two dog attacks. There were

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Speaker 2: only six hundred six. Euthanasia. Euthanasia. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: what the word is. Euthanizations, euthanizations, mercy dogs, lord, honestly,

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Speaker 2: mercy killings. Rob Irvine is Auckland Council's General Manager of

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Speaker 2: Licensing and Compliance and with me, now, Rob, I'm off

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Speaker 6: Topic to follow? After listening to stuff about the Pope, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You go to pope and then you go to dead dogs. Okay,

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Speaker 6: So, look, you know, we are doing proactive patrols across

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Speaker 6: Well, when we see a dog of LEAs or roamings,

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Speaker 6: Or yeah, I mean the dogs. We recognized dogs move

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Speaker 6: You know, we've got to be educating out the owners

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I do sympathize with the Allkland's a

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Speaker 2: long time. Now, Okay, Robert, if we had five hundred

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not so sure where you got those figures,

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Speaker 2: Those figures from Auckland Council.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, because last year around we're fourteen hundred dog

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Speaker 2: But how much how many of those dogs are dogs

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Speaker 6: Yeah? So I think it would be I don't have

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Speaker 2: Know how many of them would go to prosecution?

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Speaker 6: Well, we changed to mostly we'll take them through to.

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Speaker 2: Prosecution, okay, and then most of the dogs end up

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Speaker 2: Oh there's a lot of f here, Robert, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of Listen. Okay, tell me something, Okay, tell me

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Speaker 2: what happens if I let's say that I get a

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Speaker 2: video of somebody's dog running off the leash at the

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Speaker 2: the chances what are you going to do about that?

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Speaker 2: If I can identify where the dog lives and give

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Speaker 6: What will you do, Yes, we'll go and investigate that,

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Speaker 6: and they will the likeily then end up being an infringement.

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Speaker 2: And what is an infringements punishment?

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Speaker 6: Fine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Robert, what I'm starting to come the view

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Speaker 2: three times, we just kill the dog. What do you think.

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Speaker 6: You know, that's that's a quote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard out own.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's more hard out though, Robert, is

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Speaker 2: like just happened the other day. So what do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think you know, at the end of

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Speaker 3: Response, and not are they.

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Speaker 2: I mean many dog owners are actual numpties.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of the times. You know, again, this

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Speaker 6: Like you said earlier, it happens so quickly. A dog

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Speaker 6: And that's why we do need those dog owners.

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Speaker 2: I have to wrap this up, but I want to

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Speaker 2: What's happened to the dog?

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Speaker 6: Look, that will be kind of investigation at the moment.

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Speaker 6: So again, like I said earlier, we go through the

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Speaker 2: And I don't get it, Robert, Why do we need

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Speaker 2: to investigate it the dog but a girl kill it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there's process.

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Speaker 6: And again, like everything you know in the normal any

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Speaker 6: other situation like this where these you know, serious things happen,

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Speaker 6: we do have to go through investigation.

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Speaker 2: Sympathy, isn't it Robert? Thank you? I appreciate it. Robert Irvine,

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Speaker 2: who was obviously you know, with the dog dogs and

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Speaker 2: stuff at Auckland Council tee. What happened to that dog?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've caught up on the story,

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Speaker 2: It has since been released on strict conditions pending potential prosecution.

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Speaker 2: It was a mongrel of no discernible breed. You wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I tell you what if five was in charge of

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Speaker 2: if they've bit the child, they're going to bite another child.

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Speaker 2: And I just think until we take a really, really

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Speaker 2: I've often wondered why there's such a big dog problem

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Speaker 2: with me right now, Hey Piny.

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Speaker 11: Hello Heather.

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Speaker 2: Now, hold on, I that the A League Grand Final

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Speaker 2: was going to be at Mount Smart. Are you telling

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Speaker 2: me that's not true.

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Speaker 11: No, it is going to be at Mount Smart.

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Speaker 12: There was there was talk that it might be moved

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Speaker 12: to Eden Park because of a bigger capacity. Auckland FC

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Speaker 12: don't get to make the decision. It gets made by

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Speaker 12: the powers that be at the A League who I'm

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Speaker 12: sure looked at a forty five thousand capacity stadium. I

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Speaker 12: thought we can get a lot more ticket revenue there

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Speaker 12: than we would at a twenty seven twenty eight thousand

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Speaker 12: capacity Mount Smart. So somebody at Auckland FC has the

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Speaker 12: powers of negotiation to have convinced them that note we

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Speaker 12: should have it at Mount Smart. So if Auckland FC

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Speaker 12: make the A League Grand Final, it'll be at Mount Smart.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the right thing to do, isn't it, Paine?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely all.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got used to going there and it's the place

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Speaker 2: that they've played it, then he may as well just

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Speaker 2: continue there.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Manna and home advantage. Yeah, home advantage is called

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Speaker 12: home advantage for a reason. If they would have played

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Speaker 12: at Eden Park, it'd be unfamiliar to the Auckland FC players,

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Speaker 12: you know. So, and it's the best place to watch it,

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Speaker 12: you know what Eden Park's like watching a game on

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Speaker 12: a rectangular field, you're miles away Mounts Mark. Great decision

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Speaker 12: will done.

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Speaker 2: Guess So the Crusaders are going to play the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: tomorrow and out And now do you think that this

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Speaker 2: is basically what the Grand Final is going to look like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Could well be.

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Speaker 12: They're the two teams at the top by quite some distance,

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Speaker 12: with the best records, They've played the best all year.

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Speaker 12: I think it could well be a precursor to what

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Speaker 12: we see in the Grand Final in a month and

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Speaker 12: a half or so. Crusaders I see a favorites because

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Speaker 12: probably because they're playing at home. The Chiefs beat the

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Speaker 12: Crusaders forty nine to twenty four in round two and

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Speaker 12: the Crusader's about to make a change at first five rivers.

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Speaker 12: Rayhann has come in. The Chiefs have got Damien McKenzie back.

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Speaker 12: I kind of like the Chiefs in this, if I'm honest, Heather,

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Speaker 12: I quite like them to win this, and I think

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Speaker 12: they will probably if they do win tomorrow, finish top

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Speaker 12: of the table and get hosting rights through they've lost

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Speaker 12: the last two Grand Finals. Maybe twenty twenty five is

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Speaker 12: the year of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I like this prediction. I'm going to remember this Piney

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Speaker 2: because you know, I know your prediction. I know you

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Speaker 2: will Jason Pines. We can sport host. He'll be back

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Speaker 2: tomorrow at three well at Middale Way through to three

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Speaker 2: o'clock in the same on Sunday. Hither the dog that

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Speaker 2: attacked the child? So the dog was apprehended and then

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Speaker 2: let go. Now the dog's out on bail, will it

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Speaker 2: get home to take detention with an ankle Bracelet you

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Speaker 2: know what to be fair? To be fair to the dog.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we are just doing to the dog what we

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Speaker 2: do to humans. Right, Maybe the justice system is just

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Speaker 2: the same for everybody. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Maybe we need to take into account that the job

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Speaker 2: the dog had a difficult upbringing and had a culture

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Speaker 2: report probably four twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news. Dogs

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Speaker 1: that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Heather, really Eden Park would be unfamiliar A parks of

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Speaker 2: parks still kick the ball the same. I think, look,

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Speaker 2: if you if you're if Sean, if you're having a

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Speaker 2: crack of what I was saying. What I was meaning

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Speaker 2: is as a fan, sometimes I feel like if you've

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Speaker 2: got into a little habit of going to a place

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Speaker 2: like it is just such a do you not find

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Speaker 2: this just as such a fath if suddenly you've got

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Speaker 2: and you know where you park your car, and then

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Speaker 2: and then you notice something. You know, like you've got

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Speaker 2: a little routine there, you do the thing. But if

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Speaker 2: you're now told you've got to somehow get to Eden Park,

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Speaker 2: oh no, I can't be bothered with the mental load.

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Speaker 2: They just got to keep it in the same place.

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Speaker 2: That's mummy talking. Okay, So I don't know what daddy thinks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you people think, because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a different world when you're the dad. Anyway, It's

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Speaker 2: Mother's Day on Sunday, by the way, so happy Happy

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Speaker 2: Mother's Day to all the mum's out there for all

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Speaker 2: of the hard work that you're doing raising the next

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Speaker 2: generation of kiwi's. Here's ten facts about the Pope that

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Speaker 2: you didn't know here, well, you did know. He's the

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Speaker 2: first American pope. Here's the first American pope, which is

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Speaker 2: pretty amazing. Also though, he's the first pope from an

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Speaker 2: English speaking country since Adrian the Fourth of England in

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Speaker 2: eleven fifty four, So it's been a long time between

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Speaker 2: drinks for the you know, most commonly spoken language on

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Speaker 2: the planet. Right, grew up in Chicago. He was a

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Speaker 2: he became the bishop. He was actually only made a

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Speaker 2: cardinal two years ago. He's only sixty nine years old.

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Speaker 2: Now sixty nine is you know, for many of us,

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Speaker 2: it's a fair way through your life. But as far

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Speaker 2: as popes go, Spring Chicken way younger than the previous pope.

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Speaker 2: So he's going to be like the Elizabeth of popees.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be hanging around forever. I'm gonna get used

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Speaker 2: to Leo because you're gonna see, unless something really terrible happens,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have Leo around for a long time. He

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Speaker 2: speaks English, Spanish, Italian, French, Portuguese, can also read German

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Speaker 2: and Latin. He worked as a maths teacher because he

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Speaker 2: studied mathematics. He was head of the influential Vatican decastroy ants. No,

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Speaker 2: it's another one of those Catholic words for bishops, which

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Speaker 2: advises the Pope on bishop appointments globally. He is an

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Speaker 2: and his father was a US Navy veteran of World

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Speaker 2: War Two. I tried to find out something about the Augustinians,

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Speaker 2: just seems the Augustinians, the thing that they are into

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Speaker 2: him a great choice at the moment. Right Hither, the

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Speaker 2: problem with killing the dogs is that dog destruction must

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Speaker 2: be ordered by a judge and not the council. Now

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 2: We have been trying for the longest time to get

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Speaker 2: these dog attacks. We spoke to the Minister a while ago.

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Speaker 2: Minister was like, Oh, it's a council problem. It's got

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with me. Now I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: back to the Minister and be like, maybe you need

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Speaker 2: because don't you think that seems like a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Seems like it to me anyway, heaps to get through

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Speaker 2: Whitngui tribune all review shortly as well, news Talk.

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Speaker 14: Said, be.

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart

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Speaker 1: of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news dogs, he'd be.

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Speaker 15: He said, Hi, nice to meet your two.

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Speaker 9: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you eat you does get up a fee?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 2: So for White Tonguey Tribunal reviews. So we've been waiting

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Speaker 2: for this. It's just been announced today. It's going to

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Speaker 2: start midyear. The thing is completely overdue because the White

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Speaker 2: Tonguy Tribunal was definitely sort of like getting to the

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Speaker 2: end of what it was originally set up for, right,

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Speaker 2: which was to deal with White Tounguy settlements treaty settlements.

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Speaker 2: So the end of it, of its original job was approaching,

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Speaker 2: some new work, started to just you know, conduct reports

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. That has has caused it to be

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Speaker 2: a position on government policy. We'll have a speak a

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Speaker 2: chat to the minister about that after five. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: sort of it. I'm of two minds on this. I

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Speaker 2: think a review is necessary, but the review, to me,

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Speaker 2: is not the thing that we should be getting excited

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Speaker 2: about because a review is just a review. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do a review on anything and then just put

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Speaker 2: ever again. Right, it's what comes after the review that matters.

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Speaker 2: But I guess this is the first step, so we'll

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Speaker 2: be happy about that in the first place. Tama Pawtucker

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Speaker 2: with us after five on that, and Jason Walls out

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Speaker 2: of the press gallery on ten minutes on that as well.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 3: It's the World Wires on Newstogs Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 2: So, Chicago born Robert Prevost has become the first North

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Speaker 2: American pope. Pope Leo the fourteenth is his name, He's

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Speaker 2: led a prayer in St. Peter Square after his selection

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Speaker 2: by the conclave, and a religious journalist says the new

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Speaker 16: I think Pope Leo the fourteenth well pursue Pope Francis says,

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Speaker 16: ratical reforms with Becker and Presentssias, but I think there's

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Speaker 16: also a traditional person there at heart. We'll say, someone

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Speaker 16: who is at his heart a missionary.

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Speaker 2: What a load of tosh. There were no reforms to continue.

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Speaker 2: The US and the UK have signed a trade deal.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs for UK carp exports to the US will we

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Speaker 2: cut from twenty seven percent to ten percent. And Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is stoked.

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Speaker 17: This is our turning out. I think really could be

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Speaker 17: a great deal for both countries because it'll be really

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Speaker 17: great for the UK also, so they're opening up the country.

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Speaker 17: Their country is a little closed, and we appreciate that.

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Speaker 17: There won't be any red tape.

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Speaker 3: Things are going to move very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Both wars and finally, Boston Celtic's legend and basketball commentator

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Speaker 2: Paul Pierce has done his morning commute to work on

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Speaker 2: foot after losing a bit, and it's a fair walk.

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Speaker 2: He said he'd walk thirty two k's from his house

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Speaker 2: to the Fox Sports studios in La if his old

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Speaker 2: team lost their second playoff match against the New York Knicks.

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Speaker 2: The Celtics did indeed lose the game, so as a

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Speaker 2: man of his word, Paul made the trip barefoot and

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Speaker 2: in a bathrobe and documented the whole thing on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Swell, look at me, DRIs, how many have so I'll

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Speaker 3: do this? Okay, believe I did.

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Speaker 2: He's delirious. He's delirious already, says he's never placing a

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Speaker 2: bit like that again.

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Speaker 1: National correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Dan missin Soon Now. US correspondence with US Hello Dan,

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Speaker 2: Hello Heather, Oh mate? Are you feeling even more holy

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Speaker 2: today than you were yesterday?

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Speaker 18: Are you being facetious?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Oh no, I don't know any.

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Speaker 18: Motal I am, and I don't think you are to

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Speaker 18: tell you the truth, because I don't think you have

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Speaker 18: to be religious. I don't think you have to be

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Speaker 18: Catholic to be emotional. And I was surprised that I

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Speaker 18: found myself being emotional for the first time watching one

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Speaker 18: of these things.

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Speaker 3: Today, I think it's.

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Speaker 18: Very exciting that we got the first American pope.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's a long We get asked this

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Speaker 2: question all the time when somebody comes out of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: But do you know him?

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Speaker 3: I personally don't.

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Speaker 18: My best friend, who is a vice principal of a

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Speaker 18: Catholic high school, Sant Augustine in San Diego, has spent

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Speaker 18: some time with the Pope.

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Speaker 3: Pope Leo is well.

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Speaker 18: I should say that go back to The school is

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Speaker 18: owned and operated by the Order Uh that the Pope

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Speaker 18: belongs to right now, so he has made several appearances there.

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Speaker 18: My friend, who's the vice principal the school, said they

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Speaker 18: they've had a chance several times to sit down, eat lunch,

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Speaker 18: a chat. He is a very polite person. He loves

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Speaker 18: his his baseball, his Chicago White Sox. So my my

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Speaker 18: friend was able to talk to him about that and

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Speaker 18: he says he's very humble and it's a very good

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Speaker 18: choice he feels. And he's been involved with the Catholic

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Speaker 18: Church for you know, decades. He thinks this is a

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Speaker 18: good a good move for the.

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Speaker 3: Catholics church.

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Speaker 18: Because he thinks that whether or not. You agree that

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Speaker 18: Pope Francis did move things forward, that he thinks it

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Speaker 18: will make the church a little bit more progressive. I

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Speaker 18: think there was a concern that the church might take

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Speaker 18: a couple of steps back, like Pope France's predecessor beforehand.

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Speaker 18: But we were pleasantly surprised. And you look at this

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Speaker 18: man up there, and you're thinking, he has got to

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Speaker 18: be so nervous. Did he want this? Was this thrust

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Speaker 18: upon him. He's got a brother that's been talking to

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Speaker 18: the media over here, mostly about baseball, but says that

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Speaker 18: he believes that his brother, who is a dual citizen

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Speaker 18: both of the US and Peru, will make a very

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Speaker 18: good pope here, and that he is a very humble man.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm pleased for you guys. I mean, is do

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Speaker 2: you realize that it is the first time that you, oh,

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Speaker 2: you obviously realized the first time you've had a North

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Speaker 2: American pope, but also the first time the pope has

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Speaker 2: come from the English speaking world in something close it's

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Speaker 2: actually close to about gosh, I think it was nine

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Speaker 2: hundred years.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean it is. It's yeah, it is a

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Speaker 3: little bit of history that's been made.

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Speaker 2: Today right now, what do we make of this US

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Speaker 2: UK trade deal.

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Speaker 3: It's very vague.

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Speaker 18: I mean you heard the comments around the world wires

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Speaker 18: from the president too, although I got to tell you

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Speaker 18: the market's over here like it. I mean, they've they

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Speaker 18: closed up once the President made this announcement today. It's

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Speaker 18: going to be a good weekend. I think there'll be

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Speaker 18: more trade talks between the US and China. I think

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Speaker 18: things may drag out with the UK. It was very

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Speaker 18: vague again on what he did, but again they said

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Speaker 18: they're going to drop it down to about ten percent

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Speaker 18: on the import. So we'll hope that, especially in time

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Speaker 18: for the holidays at a lot of prices down a

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Speaker 18: little bit here in the stores.

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Speaker 2: I thought it's seen a lot that Kirstama wasn't in

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Speaker 2: country for it, right. It was either that was awkward, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So it was either something that was rushed, it was

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Speaker 2: a last minute thing and he couldn't get over, or

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Speaker 2: it was something that he did not consider important enough

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Speaker 2: to come over for.

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Speaker 18: I think it's both of those things. And I think

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Speaker 18: it's the fact that we've seen so many times these

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Speaker 18: leaders come into a meeting or an announcement with President

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Speaker 18: Trump over here and he puts them in a somewhat

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Speaker 18: awkward position. Yeah, And if I were the Prime Minister

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Speaker 18: of the UK right now and I'm still getting my bearings,

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Speaker 18: I think that was probably the right move for him

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Speaker 18: for this agreement, And you're right, I think it was

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Speaker 18: very hastily put together.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's going on with Trump's polling numbers.

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Speaker 18: You know what you're going to If you're Trumpster, you're

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Speaker 18: going to say, this is just fake media. If you're

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Speaker 18: a Democrat, you're going to say, well, this is a

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Speaker 18: sign right now. But there is a new poll out

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Speaker 18: showing that his approval rating with conservative voters fell from

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Speaker 18: seventy seven to seventy two percent over a matter of

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Speaker 18: weeks from late last month early this month. And I think,

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Speaker 18: really this shows maybe a few cracks in his base.

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Speaker 18: And some are going to say maybe this is his

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Speaker 18: ability to try to unify the Republican base, but I

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Speaker 18: think a lot of this has to do in a

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Speaker 18: shift with what we're seeing with the Republican Party right now.

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Speaker 18: You know, you've got the old conservative Republicans that believed

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Speaker 18: in free trade that they're going away. Trump is remaking

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Speaker 18: the party, and I think that's maybe a tiny bit

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Speaker 18: of why we're seeing some of these numbers.

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Speaker 2: Drop brilliant sof Dan, it's always good to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: really appreciated. It's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent. Yeah, it really

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Speaker 2: is hard to know whether this is such a good

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Speaker 2: deal for the UK. I mean, the UK has dropped

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Speaker 2: tariffs on US goods from five point one percent this

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Speaker 2: is like average five point one percent down to one

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Speaker 2: point eight percent, So that's fine the USA for the UA, yes,

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Speaker 2: but the Brits are still paying ten percent. The Brits

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Speaker 2: are still going to be subject to ten percent tariff

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Speaker 2: going into the US. So, I mean, why didn't Kiir

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Speaker 2: Starma go? I guess is the question was it just

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Speaker 2: not that exciting or was it just so fast that

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Speaker 2: he couldn't get there. We'll have a chat to Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 2: our UK correspondent, who will be with us just before

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock this evening. Now we've finally had the long

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Speaker 2: awaited announcement from the government on how they're going to

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Speaker 2: pay compo to the victims of state abuse while in care.

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Speaker 2: We were expecting a new compo scheme to be established.

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Speaker 2: That was certainly the government's indication, but they've decided not

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Speaker 2: to go with that. They're instead just going to top

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Speaker 2: up the current system. Now, I don't know that there

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Speaker 2: is enough money. I think it's quite clear that there

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Speaker 2: is not enough money. Right, they've topped it up by

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Speaker 2: seven hundred and seventy four million dollars. Today they say

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Speaker 2: the average payment is going to be thirty thousand dollars. Well,

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Speaker 2: if you work it out, that's only going to cover

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Speaker 2: maybe about twenty six thousand people if everybody and not

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Speaker 2: everybody will but if everybody gets the average payment, it's

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Speaker 2: only going to cover twenty six thousand people. According to

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Speaker 2: that report, more than two hundred thousand people were abused

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Speaker 2: in state cares. So surely there's going to we're going

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Speaker 2: to need to put more money into the site way anyway.

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Speaker 2: The Minister Erica Stanford is with us after five o'clock

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Speaker 2: Politics is next sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Jason Wool's usog ZIB's political editors with us now, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Jason, Oh, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so why are they announcing today that the review

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Speaker 2: kicks off?

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Speaker 19: Madear?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: cynical among You could say that it was an attempt

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Speaker 4: to distract from all the all the bad press that

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Speaker 4: they've been getting this week about the pay equity situation.

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Speaker 4: But you know, looking at this on balance, nobody should

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Speaker 4: really be that surprised that this has happened. I mean,

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Speaker 4: every time Chris Luxon has talked about the White Pungy Tribunal,

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Speaker 4: he essentially says that it has been sort of is

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Speaker 4: removed from its brief somewhat, and it's been happening quite

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Speaker 4: a bit over the last couple of years. And then

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Speaker 4: of course it was in the New Zealand First National

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Speaker 4: Coalition agreement that this would be a review would be undertaken,

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Speaker 4: and of course it was Shane Jones of New Zealand

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Speaker 4: First that was happy as larry when the news came

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Speaker 4: out this afternoon. He says the time has come for

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Speaker 4: the White Punge Tribunal to take a statutory haircut. For

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Speaker 4: a Shane Jones esque of him. He says, after fifty years,

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Speaker 4: the Tribunal has gone off script, pursuing ideological fantasy instead

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Speaker 4: of what it was created to do. And that is

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Speaker 4: of course considered claims relating to breaches of the Treaty

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Speaker 4: of why Pungy Now. David Seymour is also pleased with

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Speaker 4: this one. He says that the tribunal had become increasingly

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Speaker 4: activist and had gone well beyond its brief, and he

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Speaker 4: said it's time to be put in its place. So

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Speaker 4: they're all arguing essentially that it's not what it's not

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Speaker 4: doing what it's supposed to be doing in law. And

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Speaker 4: there's a number of examples that Seymour's office have actually

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Speaker 4: given me when I said, well, hang on, what give

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Speaker 4: me some examples of when this happened. For example, do

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Speaker 4: you remember when they attempt to summon and question Karen

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Speaker 4: Shaw about the repealing of section seven a A They

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Speaker 4: said that was not within the White Tangi Tribunals brief.

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Speaker 4: They talk about requiring the government to provide confidential documents

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Speaker 4: to the Treaty Principal's Bill, and then those documents being

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Speaker 4: leaked pretty quickly depressed before even Cabinet had seeing them,

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Speaker 4: and then things like urgent inquiries that they have in

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Speaker 4: terms of things like the Regulatory Standards Bill. So obviously,

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Speaker 4: heather O comes no surprise that this is going to

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Speaker 4: get a lot of backlash from the opposition.

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Speaker 13: Parties.

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Speaker 4: The Green said that this is about making it easier

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Speaker 4: to trample over the treaty and punch down on pangat

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Speaker 4: Fenawa and Labour said it's extremely bad faith to Conductor

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Speaker 4: of Review right when the White Tangi Tribunal is conducting

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Speaker 4: urgent inquiries into the action of this government, to which

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Speaker 4: I would say, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find

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Speaker 4: her time with the tribunal was not conducting an urgent

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Speaker 4: inquiry into something this government's doing.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's actually a fair point. Listen, what's been the

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Speaker 2: reaction to the government redress and compost scheme.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the opposition parties are not a fan of

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Speaker 4: this either. I mean, this is of course the government

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Speaker 4: investing or spending rather seven hundred seventy four million dollars

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Speaker 4: in the budget for the scheme. The average rejest payment

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Speaker 4: for new claims will go from nineteen thousand to about

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Speaker 4: thirty thousand, and a fifty percent top up will be

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Speaker 4: provided to survivors who have already settled claims to ensure

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Speaker 4: a bit of consistency with the increased payments for the

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Speaker 4: new claimants. So immediate pushback from Labor and the Greens.

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Speaker 4: Labor said putting more money into an existing redress system

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Speaker 4: that so many of the survivors have already said they

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Speaker 4: have no confidence in is just not good enough. And

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Speaker 4: the Greens say an apology is empty without action. The

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Speaker 4: government has failed survivors by repeating the mistakes of old

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Speaker 4: that resulted in abuse and trauma that sparked the whole

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Speaker 4: commission in the first place. And this has kind of

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Speaker 4: come down to the fact that, and to be fair

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Speaker 4: to the opposition parties, the government did say when they

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Speaker 4: gave the apology that they would be creating a new

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Speaker 4: entity in charge of facilitating this redress, but they're actually

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Speaker 4: keeping what they've already done. Here's what Chris Luxon said

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Speaker 4: today as to why they doing this. Sorry, this clip

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Speaker 4: is a bit hard to hear. He was standing somewhere

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Speaker 4: in a in a warehouse with a lot of rain.

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Speaker 4: But have a listen. It takes time to put a

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Speaker 4: new readdresses from in place.

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Speaker 13: It costs a lot of.

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Speaker 20: Money and you can't guarante You've got to go to

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Speaker 20: guarantee it.

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Speaker 3: You can get a better.

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Speaker 21: Result from what you're doing right.

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Speaker 4: So his argument is essentially, listen, we want to do

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Speaker 4: this at speed. There's a lot of survivors that actually

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Speaker 4: want to see this done quickly and we don't want

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Speaker 4: to leave them in limbo.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Jason appreciated. Jason Wools,

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Speaker 2: our political editor, nine away from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, The mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 21: The third year in a row. The New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 21: Union's lost money.

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Speaker 22: What's the plan? Mark Robinson is the inz our boss.

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Speaker 22: When do you stop losing money?

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Speaker 23: Well?

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Speaker 3: The other question could be, you know we we said.

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Speaker 21: Out, how about we do my question? When do you

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Speaker 21: stop losing money?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 22: I'm working to as a break even or better positions.

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Speaker 21: To an up replacement for any awesome terms of dolls. Look,

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Speaker 21: the properties are different, aren't mate. We actually have anybody

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Speaker 21: that you can announce this year? Well that's what we're

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Speaker 21: working on, and we're working on so you don't.

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Speaker 22: I'm just trying to work out I like to get

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Speaker 22: an international name to get on the front of an

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Speaker 22: all black jersey and whether or not it's slim pickings.

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Speaker 20: Out there and is really strong.

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Speaker 22: Back tomorrow at six am The Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 22: the rain drove of a lame news talk zby.

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Speaker 2: Six away from five. Sorry the new pope in your

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Speaker 2: remarks a lot of tosh, methinks you're showing signs of ignorance.

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Speaker 2: Here in a nutshell, Francis was a modern liberal, which

687
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Speaker 2: is a split from the traditional conservative group, and this

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Speaker 2: is seen as a watering down to the true Catholic faith.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Terry. What I meant by a load of

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Speaker 2: tosh is that old mate who was on before in

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Speaker 2: the world wires were saying, now Francis has done all

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Speaker 2: this reform and Leo's going to continue it.

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Speaker 3: Nah.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Francis did no reform. What reform did

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Speaker 2: Francis dom What reform did Francis donne Well, I got

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Speaker 2: the ladies in a little bit at the lower who cares?

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make a difference. And Leo's not going to

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Speaker 2: continue that. Leo actually, by the way, does not love

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Speaker 2: the ladies. Leo thinks that ladies know their place and

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Speaker 2: that's not to be priests. So anyway, I think that

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Speaker 2: we'll find I think I think Leo strikes me as

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Speaker 2: the pope that you can project your own desires on two.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? So if you think

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Speaker 2: if you want the Pope to be because he's so

705
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Speaker 2: down the middle right. If you want him to be

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Speaker 2: a liberal, then he's a liberal to you. And if

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Speaker 2: you want him to be a conservative, he's a conservative

708
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Speaker 2: to ye. What he's going to do is absolutely bloody nothing, frankly,

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Speaker 2: so you know we'll all end up happy. I suppose

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Speaker 2: Listen Bremworth, Gee wiz, this is embarrassing. Do you remember

711
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Speaker 2: a few years ago, it was about twenty twenty bremw

712
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Speaker 2: the carpet people, they were called Cavalier back in the day.

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Speaker 2: They did this massive ad campaign where they just absolutely

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Speaker 2: ran down synthetic carpets. They were like, synthetic carpets are

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Speaker 2: so bad for you. Synthetic carpets have negative impacts on

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Speaker 2: people's health and the planet. And they were like, synthetic

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Speaker 2: carpet is the equivalent in one house, is the equivalent

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Speaker 2: to two twenty two thousand single use plastic bags. And

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Speaker 2: they're like, ah, they hate it. And so they announced

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Speaker 2: they were going to absolutely go one hundred percent wool

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Speaker 2: and they were just going to do only the natural fibers.

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Speaker 2: Guess what they've just announced they're doing synthetic carpets again.

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Speaker 2: That's embarrassing, isn't it. And basically why they're doing synthetic

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Speaker 2: carpets again is because major carpet retailers have asked them to.

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Speaker 2: They said they wanted to return to producing both wool

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Speaker 2: and synthetic carpets, and so they will. And what that

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Speaker 2: is is what people want to buy. The problem. And this,

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Speaker 2: by the way, brings us around to that or wool

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Speaker 2: thing that the government did.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 2: I love the idea of wool everything. I love it

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Speaker 2: so much, right, but it is so expensive and in

733
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Speaker 2: the end, in the end, we're all going to be

734
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Speaker 2: dictated by everything is dictated by how much it costs.

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Speaker 2: So unfortunately, and I suppose they found this out. It's

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Speaker 2: money speaks, money talks, doesn't it. Pope Leo, as I

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Speaker 2: told you, I have got more Leo facts than you're

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Speaker 2: going to know what to do with by the end

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Speaker 2: of this program. Before Leo went into the conclave, what

740
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Speaker 2: was he doing? He was playing word games online with

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Speaker 2: his cousin Joan. Joan and he were playing Words with friends,

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Speaker 2: which is similar to scrabble. And she thought, because Joan thought,

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Speaker 2: there's a chance that Leo becomes like one of us, thought,

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Speaker 2: there's a chance he becomes the pope.

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Speaker 4: She did.

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Speaker 2: She thought there's a Chancelly overcomes the pope, so she

747
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Speaker 2: tried to lose the game that she was playing with

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Speaker 2: him to start another game so she could try and win,

749
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Speaker 2: just in case, so she could have bragging rights and say,

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Speaker 2: I beat him last time I played with him before

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Speaker 2: he became the pope. I beat him. But unfortunately I

752
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Speaker 2: don't think that this how it worked out, and I

753
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Speaker 2: think he beat her in the end. But anyway, there

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Speaker 2: you go. Loves the word game. Next up, we're talking

755
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Speaker 2: to Tamma Paul Tucker about that review into the White

756
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Speaker 2: Tonguey Tribunal. News talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be.

758
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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's the either dupasy on drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talks.

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Speaker 23: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The government has announced its review into the White

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Speaker 2: Tonguey Tribunal will kick off mid year. Advice will be

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Speaker 2: given to the government by September and any law changes

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Speaker 2: will be introduced before the end of the year. The

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Speaker 2: Minister for Mari Development Portucker joins us.

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Speaker 10: Now, hey, Comma, hey Kidy here they haven't heard.

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Speaker 2: From you lately, I've been on maternity leave.

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Speaker 10: Oh important, tuchypt.

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Speaker 2: You're tuned into the news, Tamma, What exactly is this

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Speaker 2: review going to look into?

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Speaker 10: This review timely fifty years since the tribunal was established.

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Speaker 10: We're going to look into reviewing the act that gives

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Speaker 10: rise for the tribune. It's called the Treaty of Whiting

776
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Speaker 10: Act nineteen seventy five. The jurisdiction, classification of claims, inquiry practice,

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Speaker 10: and a couple of other things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what actually is it going to look into?

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Speaker 2: So what part of what the tribunal is doing is

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Speaker 2: it looking at?

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Speaker 10: Well, give you an example. It runs inquiries according to

782
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Speaker 10: very very old legislation nineteen oh eight. Legislation in the

783
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Speaker 10: way it conduct in South needs to be we think,

784
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Speaker 10: you know, modernized. The jurisdiction. It's finishing off the historical claims,

785
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Speaker 10: but it's got a range of contemporary claims that it

786
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Speaker 10: looks like looks at and any mardy can take a

787
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Speaker 10: claim based on the criteria set out in the act.

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Speaker 10: So that's something that needs to be reviewed.

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Speaker 2: So do you foresee the White Tangi Tribunal existing beyond

790
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Speaker 2: those historical claims? Once they're all settled.

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Speaker 10: Well, when the White Tangy Tribunal set up is actually

792
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Speaker 10: set up to look at contemporary claims, that's what it

793
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Speaker 10: was set up to do. But we want to ensure

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Speaker 10: that it is reviewed, there's some clarity and the recommendations

795
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Speaker 10: about what it continues to do. We're not talking about

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Speaker 10: the tribunal's existence. We're talking about how it will be

797
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Speaker 10: fit for purpose in the future.

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Speaker 2: Once it's done all the Treaty settlements. Right, once that

799
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Speaker 2: is all done, what does it do then.

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Speaker 10: It actually inquires into claims. The Treaty settlements are negotiated

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Speaker 10: between the Crown and ewgroups, so it doesn't do the

802
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Speaker 10: settlements itself. It just inquires into claims.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to look at what it's doing in

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Speaker 2: terms of government policy like the Treaty Principal's Bill and

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Speaker 2: all of that stuff.

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Speaker 10: Well, we're looking at the function of the Tribunal and

807
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Speaker 10: other matters will be left up to the Technical Advisory

808
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Speaker 10: Group to take a look at and responsez and recommend

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Speaker 10: to Cabinet. We will make decisions and go to Parliament.

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Speaker 10: Parliament has the final say do you.

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Speaker 2: I mean some of your coalition partners obviously have some

812
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Speaker 2: concerns about the way that the Tribunal conducts itself, involving.

813
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Speaker 10: Itself in politics, very strong views.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any concerns?

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that we've got to make sure it's

816
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Speaker 10: fit for purpose and that it's effective. We're seeing the

817
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Speaker 10: Tribunal has become very, very busy, and sometimes that affects

818
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Speaker 10: other things like the Mighty Land Court judges are also

819
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Speaker 10: on the tribunal, so when it is ensconced in tribunal work,

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Speaker 10: a lot of the Mardi landwork court work sort of

821
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Speaker 10: falls behind as well. So in terms of the resource

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Speaker 10: and whatnot. There are some issues there, but we want

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Speaker 10: to make sure that it continues but in a very clear,

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Speaker 10: coherent and transparent way about what it's looking at and

825
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Speaker 10: how it's conducting itself. As I said, this is not

826
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Speaker 10: about legacy, this is about function.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Toma, thanks very much, appreciate it. Tum with Paultuck

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Speaker 2: and the Minister for Marti Vegitmentge do to see alt right.

829
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Speaker 2: We've finally had the long awaited announcement from the government

830
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Speaker 2: on how they'll pay compo to victims of state abuse

831
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Speaker 2: while and care. There will be no new compo scheme. Instead,

832
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Speaker 2: the government will top up the current system. Now, eric

833
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Speaker 2: And is the lead coordination Minister for the government's response

834
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Speaker 2: to the abuse in state care reporters with us. Now, Hey, Erica, Hi,

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Speaker 2: So what is the maximum that anyone can get under

836
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Speaker 2: the scheme?

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Speaker 24: Look, there isn't a cap the previous or the scheme

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Speaker 24: that's in place at the moment that the top band

839
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Speaker 24: is over fifty thousand. Now, of course that will be

840
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 24: upped by about fifty percents. That top band will likely

841
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 24: be about seventy five thousand plus. However, we don't put

842
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Speaker 24: a cap in place because we acknowledge that there are

843
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 24: always individual, relatively egregious cases of serious abuse and care

844
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Speaker 24: that we you know, we don't want to put a

845
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Speaker 24: cap on.

846
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Speaker 2: Could you foresee somebody potentially getting.

847
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Speaker 24: Millions A Look, not under this scheme, if we're being honest,

848
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Speaker 24: Not under this scheme. It is a scheme that acknowledges

849
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 24: that people some terrible things happened to people. But we

850
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 24: also acknowledge that there is nothing that we can pay

851
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 24: that will ever take their pain away from what happened

852
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 24: to them. But this is an acknowledgment and read dress

853
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Speaker 24: of what happened to them.

854
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Speaker 2: Several hundred thousands.

855
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Speaker 24: I'm not going to be the person who says what

856
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Speaker 24: that number might be because I don't know, you know,

857
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 24: who might come into the scheme with a type of

858
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 24: case that they might have, and it's really hard to

859
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Speaker 24: tell how.

860
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Speaker 2: Much of you actually set aside for it. What's the

861
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: total package?

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Speaker 24: The total package today announced was seven hundred and seventy

863
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Speaker 24: four million, so over three quarters of a billion dollars.

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Speaker 24: But of that, around five hundred million is towards the

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Speaker 24: redress scheme, so paying out redress for people who come

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Speaker 24: forward in the future, and also topping up those who

867
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Speaker 24: have already put their claim in, so we'll be upping

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Speaker 24: their payments by half again, but also aligning some of

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Speaker 24: the payments. So in the past, for example, if you've

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Speaker 24: been had your redress through the Ministry of Health, the

871
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Speaker 24: payments weren't at the same level as NESD, for example,

872
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 24: so we'll firstly align those, there will be a lift

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Speaker 24: for some people, and then fifty percent on top of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you've set around set aside around half

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Speaker 2: a million bucks or sorry five is it? It's five

876
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: hundred million, isn't it?

877
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 10: Yes?

878
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Half a billion, ok a half a billion bucks and

879
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: people are getting thirty thousand on average per person, then

880
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: it's only going to cover about seventeen thousand people. And

881
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: we're talking about you know, two hundred thousand people who

882
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: were potentially abused here. So it's not really going to

883
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 2: be enough.

884
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 20: Is it.

885
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 24: Well, firstly, the Royal Commission, I really don't didn't acknowledge

886
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 24: they didn't know how many people are going to come forward,

887
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 24: because there are estimations were anywhere between thirty thousand and

888
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 24: two hundred and fifty thousand, which is an acknowledgement of fact.

889
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 24: They really don't know what we've put forward is for

890
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 24: the next few years, and we will acknowledge that we

891
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 24: were likely have to come you know back in future

892
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 24: budgets once we have a better idea of how many

893
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 24: people are coming forward, and to have a review in

894
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 24: twenty twenty seven.

895
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: That's right.

896
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, how's it going on the pay equity thing?

897
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: It looks like it's bad for the NATS.

898
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 10: Oh no, I wouldn't.

899
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 24: I wouldn't say that. I mean I stood up in

900
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 24: the house when this bell was read and you know,

901
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 24: the original bell under labor, and I said that, you know,

902
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 24: the future was bright for my ChIL and grandchildren, and

903
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 24: it still is. There is still a pay equity scheme.

904
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 24: There will still be you know, claims that are bought

905
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 24: for that will be successful, which is why we get money.

906
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: I understand, I understand orders, but I'm looking at the

907
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Instagram pack posts and stuff like that, and there's a

908
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of explaining going on by the

909
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: National Party which makes me think you guys are getting

910
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: huge backlash.

911
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 24: Look, it was always going to be a difficult topic

912
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 24: and it does require us to have really good communications

913
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 24: and say, hey, look, all we're doing is going back

914
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 24: to the scheme that was put in place under the

915
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 24: previous National government that had criteria that was reasonable around

916
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 24: making sure that when you were looking at comparators, you

917
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 24: were looking within the same industry, you know. And I

918
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 24: think that you know, most people could accept that, you know,

919
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 24: under the Labor government, with some of the changes they

920
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 24: made around you know, the fact that we're looking at

921
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 24: librarians compared to fisheries offices. It's just it's there's there's

922
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 24: too much room in that case and for subjective decisions.

923
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 24: And I think we just need to bring the scheme

924
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 24: back to what it was originally intended to do, which

925
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 24: is to make sure that we're addressing sex based discrimination

926
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 24: in the workplace, and that is exactly what we're going

927
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 24: to be doing.

928
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: All right, Erica, thanks very much appreciated, Erica Stanford League

929
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: Coordination Minister Government response to abuse in state.

930
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: Care together dul By the way, there.

931
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: Have been protests about the gender equity, the pay equity

932
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: thing all around the country. Today we're going to talk.

933
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: We'll rap the political week that was obviously with Jason

934
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: Walls after six o'clock and just get his take on

935
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: how bad this thing is for the government. I think

936
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: it is reasonably bad. Tensions between Pakistan and India at

937
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: the moment at disrupting the cricket Now. We've got a

938
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: lot of cricketers obviously in that part of the world

939
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 2: playing in the various leagues. So the Pakistan Super League

940
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: is probably going to be moved to Dubai. But in

941
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: advance of that we are flying It sounds like the

942
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: cricket guys over here are flying all of the New

943
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: Zealand cricket players from Pakistan to Dubai tonight to get

944
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: them to safety in advance of this league potentially relocating

945
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: all together and then we've got five new Zealand cricketers

946
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: in India for the IPL, and they will also presumably

947
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: be moved because the IPL may well be moved to

948
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: South Africa for its safety, so they may end up

949
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: going over there. Anyway, the sports Huddler is with us.

950
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: Before the end of the hour, it's quught a past, right.

951
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,400
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952
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,160
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953
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954
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961
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962
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Speaker 2: get that, twenty calories per can. That's nothing. And what's

963
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Speaker 2: interesting is that they've all been craft brewed for three days. Now,

964
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Speaker 2: that sounds like a long time. But actually makes sense

965
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: because it's three days to lock on all those incredible flavors. Now, honestly,

966
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967
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970
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: Now, ever, do for see Allen now.

971
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: As I said at the start of nineteen past five.

972
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: By the way, as I said at the start of

973
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: the program, Pope Leo the fourteenth is already getting a

974
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: few headlines for his criticism of the Trump administration's immigration policy.

975
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: Now the Catholic Bishop of Auckland, Steve Lowe, is with us.

976
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: Hey Steve, good evening, Heather.

977
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: How are you.

978
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you, very pleased We've got to

979
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: a pope this early in the in the business. Were

980
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: you surprised by this?

981
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was.

982
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 19: The New Zealand bishops were meeting in Palmerston North this

983
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 19: week and we were speculating how long it had take

984
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 19: and I was one of the ones that said, I

985
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 19: don't think it's going to be anytime fast.

986
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: And it was a big were you placing bets.

987
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 19: No, we weren't placing bets. No one was willing to

988
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 19: predict her it was going to be. It was more

989
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 19: about when was the announcement going to be.

990
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: But Steve, if you were going to place bets and

991
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: predict her it was going to be, nobody would have

992
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: predicted Bob from America, would we.

993
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 19: Well, that's right, it's though some did. I was just

994
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 19: talking to my sister a little while ago and she said, oh,

995
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 19: his name has been out there right from the beginning.

996
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 19: But he's a cardinal that we haven't had much contact

997
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 19: with in New Zealand. That he was the prefect of

998
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 19: the Dicastri for bishops, but they don't oversee the church

999
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 19: in New Zealand, so it's we're under a different dicastray.

1000
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 19: So he's a bit of a he's a bit of

1001
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 19: a mystery man for us.

1002
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: Right, How do you feel about him weighing into politics?

1003
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 10: Well, I think.

1004
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 19: I don't know if he's weighing into politics so much

1005
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 19: is that you know, though, you know, as the leader

1006
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 19: of the Catholic Church, he's got to uphold the teachings

1007
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 19: of Jesus Christ, and sometimes that might come into conflict

1008
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 19: with some political leaders around the world.

1009
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: And do you see his election as vindication of Francis

1010
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: because the church hasn't lurched radically to the other side.

1011
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 19: I think I think, just going on the words he

1012
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 19: said this morning and that the tone also his background,

1013
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 19: that it is a sign that the cardinals were looking

1014
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 19: for a pope who would continue in the direction of

1015
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 19: Pope Francis is going to be different. He's going to

1016
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 19: bring his own gifts and talents, and he brings his

1017
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 19: own experience, so it will be different. But I think

1018
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 19: basically that direction of a church that engages with society.

1019
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 19: You know, he talked about encounter and dialogue and that

1020
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 19: synodal journeying together as being key components, but also seeking

1021
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 19: a path of peace and unity.

1022
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant, Thank you so much. Steve really appreciated. Bishop

1023
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: Steve Low, who is the Bishop of Auckland. Now we've

1024
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: just had a missing We dropped a line to Cardinal

1025
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: John Due, who's our man in Vatican City, and he

1026
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: was in the conclave. Dun, dun, dun. Just I just

1027
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't you love a drink with John Due just to

1028
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: find out what happened in the conclave and how much

1029
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: it was like the movie Conclave. Anyway, he's been in

1030
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: the concave. We dropped him a line and we said, listen,

1031
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: what are the chances you could just have a little

1032
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: bit of a bit of a chin wag with us.

1033
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: He said absolutely, I'll be with you in about an hour.

1034
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: So about an hour from now, we're going to have

1035
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: a he wants to It's about seven twenty in the

1036
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: morning there, so he's going to talk to us about it.

1037
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: I think he wants to get his brecky in first,

1038
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: by the looks of things. Chat to him shortly in

1039
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: an hour five twenty two.

1040
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

1041
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use dogs.

1042
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: That'd be twenty five past five. Now listen. If you

1043
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: are at all interested in understanding what's going wrong at

1044
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: Rugby headquarters in Wellington, can I recommend that you read

1045
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: Gregor Paul's piece in the Herald today. It's an excellent

1046
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: sormation here because the suggestion, I mean, the question that

1047
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: we had yesterday when we were looking at the financials

1048
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: which was released, was how on earth is it that

1049
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby pulls in more money than it ever

1050
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: has in one financial year and still managers to not

1051
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: make a profit, Like, how do you do that? And

1052
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: the answer is it seems going by Gregor's piece, just

1053
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: wasteful spending and spending in the wrong places. For example,

1054
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby spent more than seven and a half

1055
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: million dollars last year on paying board members and executives.

1056
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: Now that is more seven and a half. That is

1057
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: more than the seven million dollars it's spent on Heartland

1058
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: rugby teams last year, and it is more than a

1059
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: five and a half million dollars it's spent on its

1060
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: five super rugby clubs. No organization should spend more on

1061
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: the people running the thing than on the thing itself.

1062
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: That's nuts. New Zealand Rugby flew two board members Patsy

1063
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: Ready and Bailey Mackey to the UK last year when

1064
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: they were leaving the organization the following month. What's the

1065
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: point if you know that people are leaving, or if

1066
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: they know they're leaving, stop flying them places. They're now redundant,

1067
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: they're useless. When the All Blacks played in Tokyo, they

1068
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: took players and coaches and management. Fair enough, but then

1069
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 2: they also took administrative staff and executive stuff seventy five

1070
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: people for a rugby game. Honestly, this way too much.

1071
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: Do you know how much they were paying at the

1072
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: hotel they were staying nine hundred dollars a night. Now,

1073
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: that is an organization spending like it's in the gold

1074
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: mining game, not like it's an organization making more annual

1075
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: losses than profits in recent memory. Now, Greg will Paul

1076
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: suggests some people are going to lose their jobs, and

1077
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: I think that's probably fair to be fair though to

1078
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: inzt Are, because you know, we all understand what's going

1079
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: on here. Not all of this is inzet Oar's fault.

1080
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: The biggest problem I think that they've actually got is

1081
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: that rugby is boring, and that's because the rules suck,

1082
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: and inzet Are only has only has so much control

1083
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: over the rules. Right, that's really a world rugby problem.

1084
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: But they know and we know, and it has been

1085
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: obvious for ages that the problems that they face with

1086
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: participation in viewership and attendance and money are not going

1087
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: yet solved anytime soon. Now, if you know, things are

1088
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: tough and they're not improving? Do you not put the

1089
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Speaker 2: credit card away? Do you not cut the spending? You

1090
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: and I might, but not inzet Are apparently, and that's

1091
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: their fault, Heather do for c Ellen okay, not sports title.

1092
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: Will talk about that shortly. So I'm looking at my

1093
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: TVs and I'm saying to the boys in the because

1094
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: Laura of the Germans, not happy birthday, Laura of the

1095
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: German she's not here today. I'm saying to the boys,

1096
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: what's going on with the TV? It says service not available? Well,

1097
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: apparently that's Sky. Now, oh one came just one just

1098
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: came on. Unfortunately it's Fox. I'm not gonna lie. That's

1099
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: a disappointment to me anyway. So no, it's not working anyway.

1100
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: So the satellite's not going well, is it for for

1101
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: Sky TV or the other one just came on? It's

1102
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: been like that for ages. It's all it takes is

1103
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: you to just say it out loud and then the

1104
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: TV's come on again, like AI anyway, How is it, though, seriously,

1105
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: how is it that in twenty twenty five the boys

1106
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: said to me, oh, it's raining outside here, they have

1107
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 2: a look. How is it that in twenty twenty five.

1108
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: When it rains, you can't watch tally Like if there's

1109
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 2: a heady good work that I did, me saying it enough,

1110
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: making it come on.

1111
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 11: Good work.

1112
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: Listen, just call if you need me to come around

1113
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: to your house and just talk to your TV like that.

1114
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: Just oh wait at eighty ten eighty, I'll be booked

1115
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: up from here to Monday. I think sports Huddle is next.

1116
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 5: We can go forever.

1117
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 11: You lost it out.

1118
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Eland drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talk sad b.

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Speaker 3: Hither.

1122
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: You're right about nz R being a bunch of spendthrift wallies,

1123
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: but you're wrong about Rugby being balling, boring. But you

1124
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: have to understand the game first. Cheers, Frank, Thanks Frank,

1125
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for that. Nobody understands rugby though, Frank, nobody understands Rugby,

1126
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: not even the refs. A's part of the problem. It's

1127
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: so complicated. Hey, listen, this is kind of good news

1128
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: and bad news at the same time. The good news

1129
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: is Ird has found about one hundred and fifty million

1130
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: dollars in taxes that wasn't being paid by the property sector,

1131
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: like nonsense like not paying their GST, not paying the

1132
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: bright line properly, you know when the capital gains and

1133
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: you get with that, you know, all that kind of

1134
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: stuff like land transfer charges all that they weren't They

1135
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: weren't paying that. The good news is that we found it.

1136
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: The bad news is that we found it. It wasn't happening.

1137
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: What's going on here? Is this an honesty box system

1138
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: or something. We have to go look at it and

1139
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: find out whether it's happening. Anyway. We'll have a chat

1140
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: to the Idea about that after six o'clock and just

1141
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: see how much more what a surprise that a developer

1142
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: was doing that. It was the developers were the worst, obviously.

1143
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: Twenty three away from six.

1144
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Friday Sports l with New Zealand Souburby's International Realty Find

1145
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 1: your one of a kind.

1146
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: There's nothing new in what Silver Lake have brought to

1147
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: the table.

1148
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 13: They haven't changed anything.

1149
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 17: They don't bring capability, they're.

1150
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 13: Not rugby people. They don't have a magic warned.

1151
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 16: But New Zealand need to have a you know, a

1152
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 16: good strong look at that rule because you know, without

1153
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 16: grace we lose.

1154
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: So much after the Olympic COMMTA.

1155
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 16: We wanted to show that we were a great team

1156
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 16: and to us that was bring it, winning the league

1157
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 16: and winning a series. And we did it, and obviously

1158
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 16: I was excited about it.

1159
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 2: The old word sports title this evening Adam Cooper, host

1160
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: of the All Sports Breakfast in Wellington, and Levin, a

1161
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: good sports journalist, tell her you too, yep good.

1162
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 5: I promise I will not swear tonight.

1163
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: Thank you, Levina. I appreciate you.

1164
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 5: I promise, thanks, because I.

1165
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: Mean, we do not have dump. This is a supprise.

1166
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: We do not have dump on this show.

1167
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 9: So don't have a sixth you don't have that seven

1168
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 9: second delay. I know, mate, don't worry, it's not gonna happen.

1169
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't have said that. I want to come back

1170
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: to the rugby. Actually he's plenty to talk about in

1171
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: the rugby. But on the cricket. I see that the

1172
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: Pakistan League has been moved to the UAE. But do

1173
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: you know yet, Coops, whether the IPL is being moved.

1174
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 25: No word on that yet. But it's just it's just

1175
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 25: a messy, sad situation, isn't it. And you know you

1176
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 25: can't help but feel sorry. For you know, people in

1177
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 25: these countries that that you know do have these security

1178
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 25: issues and I'm you know, usually you know, my takers

1179
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 25: that you are on the side of caution and if

1180
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 25: there is a minor risk, you move like has been

1181
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 25: done here. But you've got to feel so sorry for

1182
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 25: the fans that the sponsors, the you know, just all

1183
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 25: the all the stakeholders in the game in these countries

1184
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 25: where you know, you get so close to getting things right,

1185
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 25: you get a few you know, good things go your way,

1186
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 25: some opportunities, and then it all all falls apart. And

1187
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 25: you know, we get the Pakistan cricket team coming here

1188
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 25: to New Zealand quite often, we had them in the

1189
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 25: summer just gone and they always, you know, such a competitive,

1190
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 25: passionate team. Fans are so passionate to get through the gates.

1191
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 25: And it's just a sad, a sad indictment on on

1192
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 25: you know, the world that people that want to play

1193
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 25: sport and get involved in sport and support sport can't

1194
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 25: do that.

1195
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 13: And it doesn't seem to be any end in sight. Mind.

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 25: You there are countries in the world, you know where

1197
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 25: twenty years ago you might not have played any sport

1198
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 25: there for for similar reason. So you do hope that

1199
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 25: sort of politically things get sorted out and at some

1200
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 25: point down the track they can go back to having

1201
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 25: regular matches on home soil.

1202
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: Tell you what Levina I was surprised was confused by rather,

1203
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: is that it seems that New Zealand Cricket are the

1204
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: ones who are flying the New Zealand cricket contingent from

1205
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: Pakistan to UAU.

1206
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 13: Why is that?

1207
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's a hidden message there somewhere, I

1208
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 9: would assume. But going back on what Adam said, are

1209
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 9: you feel sorry for what's going on in each country,

1210
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 9: but you feel sorry also for the sports fans Heather

1211
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 9: because it's a world class rivalry India versus Pakistan. And

1212
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 9: we look forward obviously to the Olympics LA twenty eight

1213
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 9: where cricket is returning and the top six teams in

1214
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 9: the world and Pakistan at the moment as seventh, they

1215
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 9: could jump into six. There could be an opportunity there

1216
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 9: for India versus Pakistan. But not to have that on

1217
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 9: the menu on the table for cricket fans, it's quite

1218
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 9: traumatic for some fans.

1219
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 5: I think it's some of the best.

1220
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 9: Rivalry we've seen in all sport and to think that

1221
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 9: that won't happen, it's quite tragic.

1222
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, now, Levina, Okay, tell me what you are

1223
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: taking from this business with the rugby the finances that

1224
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: came up yesterday. Gregor Paul's article suggested that there will

1225
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: be job losses and it didn't feel like it would

1226
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: be too far fitched to suggest that Mark Robinson could

1227
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: be one of those.

1228
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1229
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 9: Mark Robinson's name has been touted a lot. And why

1230
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 9: wouldn't it be nineteen and a half million dollars in

1231
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 9: the red? I mean it sounds bad, and I know

1232
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 9: New Zealand Rugby try and push it a different way

1233
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 9: of saying that we've made recording come more than two

1234
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 9: hundred and eighty million and we've got one hundred and

1235
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 9: seventy four million in reserve, so it's not like they're

1236
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 9: going to topple over. But for the third year in

1237
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 9: a row to be in the red, there's an area

1238
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 9: of concern, And an even bigger area of concern is

1239
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 9: the fact that so many young rugby players turned to

1240
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 9: fourteen and fifteen years of age and they're only retaining

1241
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 9: what's thirty percent if they're lucky of those players. So

1242
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 9: the money and the investment, I know, it's all about

1243
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 9: we need to get out of the red. We need

1244
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 9: to make it look really financially viable and it has

1245
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 9: to look healthy.

1246
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: But you also have.

1247
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 9: To go back to grassroots rugby. And to do that,

1248
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 9: they have to invest money in grassroots rugby. And there's

1249
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 9: no money at the moment, Twins, because they're twenty million

1250
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 9: bucks in the room.

1251
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Levina, there's no money to invest in grassroots

1252
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: rugby because they're paying their directors and their executives seven and.

1253
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 5: A half money, Like that's ridiculous. There's a lot of money. Yeah,

1254
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 5: it doesn't seem right, does it.

1255
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 9: But on the back of that, they say they're trying

1256
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 9: to throw money at a presence in the digital space.

1257
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 5: And we know lots of money from rugby.

1258
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 9: In fact, sport all over New Zealand goes to the

1259
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 9: broadcast costs and what they want to do is own

1260
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 9: those broadcast costs. They want to make sure that they

1261
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 9: broadcast it themselves and don't have to pull the money

1262
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 9: out to the organizations that televise it.

1263
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 5: So long term, strategically it might.

1264
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 9: Sound good, but right now, twenty million in the red

1265
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 9: third year in a row, not making money out of that.

1266
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 5: It looks a little bit precarious.

1267
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: I think, coops, do you think the silver Lake deal

1268
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: is Can we look at it now and say it's

1269
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: not bearing any fruit it was a mistake.

1270
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 25: Well, it certainly hasn't had the impact that that, you know,

1271
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 25: we've been promised. And I think you know, I went

1272
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 25: along and spoke to to Mark Robinson yesterday. I'm pretty

1273
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 25: sure I went to the same thing last year, and

1274
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 25: you know, even the year before, and he was saying

1275
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 25: exactly the same things about this Insidar commercial, saying, hey,

1276
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 25: we're pumping into it now. If you had another sort

1277
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 25: of ten million go into it this year, which is

1278
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 25: contributed to that loss, it's going to come right. It's

1279
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 25: going to come right. You could almost copy and paste

1280
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 25: those sayings from a year ago. Same with the silver

1281
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 25: Lake deal. I mean, we are paying money back to

1282
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 25: silver Lake. It's effectively alone at the moment. They can

1283
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 25: turn it to equity next year, but they still have

1284
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 25: to pay even a higher sort of interest rate back

1285
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 25: to silver Lake on this. And there's been absolutely no

1286
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 25: benefit to the sport, apart from maybe a little bit

1287
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 25: of a boost for some of the sort of grassroots

1288
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 25: unions at the very start when they got sort of

1289
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 25: the cash to help sort of get the deal across

1290
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 25: the line. But there's been nothing that you look at

1291
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 25: Rugby now and think, oh, this is this is so

1292
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 25: much better thanks to the Silverlake deal.

1293
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 13: And I think the problem that Rugby has.

1294
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 25: You know that this has shed a light on here

1295
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 25: that is New Zealander's connection to the game. It is

1296
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 25: completely lost at the moment from the grassroots game right.

1297
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 13: Up to sort of the top level.

1298
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 25: You know, we know that there were two all black

1299
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 25: tests last year that didn't sell out. We know that

1300
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 25: player numbers are not where they used to be, and

1301
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 25: I think if you're trying to draw people back into

1302
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 25: the game, we heard Mark Robinson several times in interviews

1303
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 25: over the last twenty four hours speak in this corporate

1304
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 25: jargon speak, you know, duck and dive around sort of

1305
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 25: straight up questions that should have a relatively simple answer

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Speaker 25: from the CEO. And I don't know if I have

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00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 25: much confidence that him at the top is the man

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Speaker 25: that can reconnect Rugby back to New Zealanders.

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 13: I just don't have that feeling.

1310
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Speaker 25: And I was there yesterday when he was speaking at

1311
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 25: the agem just didn't get that confidence, in that feeling

1312
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Speaker 25: that he can restore rugby to where it needs to be.

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Speaker 2: It's right pair assessment. I'd say, Okay, guys, will take

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Speaker 2: a quick break. Come back to you shortly sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Friday sports title with New Zealand Southby's international realty,

1316
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: the ones with local and global reach.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with a sports title, Adam Cooper. Levina. Good, Levina,

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Speaker 2: I'm confuseder, do you know what's going on with netball?

1319
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: It seems like, so what do the players have to

1320
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: play one hundred test caps in order to be eligible

1321
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: to play for the Silver firms of the play overseas?

1322
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: Is that the rule?

1323
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 5: Okay?

1324
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 9: So what I'm saying, Levina, don't swear, don't swear, don't swear.

1325
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 9: What a bloom and stupid rule. Heather, I'm that like,

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Speaker 9: I don't think there is the rule. I don't think

1327
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 9: it's in writing that you have to play one hundred

1328
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 9: tests actually for the Silver Ferns. And if that's the case,

1329
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 9: it's only like seven players that have ever done it.

1330
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 9: But imagine if half of the Kiwi Rugby League team

1331
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 9: or the Kiwi Ferns rugby league team were not allowed

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00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 9: to represent their country because of their overseas domestic commitments.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's look at cricket. Let's look at the black Caps.

1334
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 9: What if we said every player that played for the

1335
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 9: IPL were not allowed to play for the black Caps.

1336
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 9: I would love to send a message out to the

1337
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 9: CE Jenny Wiley and say, stand up, show some.

1338
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: Courage, drop the rule completely.

1339
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 9: There's no one hundred rule anyway, but get your board

1340
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 9: to come out and say this is not right and

1341
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 9: why isn't it right?

1342
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 5: Because here's the question.

1343
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 9: Do you want one of the best shooters and one

1344
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 9: of the finest shooters in the world donning a silver

1345
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 9: fern or not. She might marry anousy, she might wear canary.

1346
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 5: Who knows. It's a silly rule. Get rid of it.

1347
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 5: Playing Australia in October.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure they would be happy if this board wasn't

1349
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 9: brave enough to change the rules because they do not

1350
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 9: want Grace for this stuff.

1351
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: I could not agree with you more.

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01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 13: What do you say, coops, Absolutely get it done.

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 25: You know these administrators are task of making us the

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01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 25: most competitive netball nation as we can be, and a

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 25: player of Grace's caliber, it is someone that either should

1356
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Speaker 25: trigger a rule change or.

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01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 13: Should have a special case for dispensation.

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Speaker 25: There's been so much confusion around it and really fascinating

1359
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 25: seeing a lot of players almost break rank from what

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 25: they're usually allowed to do and usually sort of feel

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 25: comfortable to do and actually come out really strongly. A

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01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 25: number of senior players in the A and Z Premiership

1363
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Speaker 25: have come out saying, come on, guys, we need this,

1364
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 25: We need Grace Wiki playing for the Silver Ferns, and

1365
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 25: goodness me, you hope they get their act together because

1366
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 25: as just mentioned, you know, three years time she stays

1367
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 25: playing in Australia, she could be, you know, wanting to

1368
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 25: stay over there and play for the Diamonds and that

1369
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 25: would be absolutely disastrous. And the thing is with a

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Speaker 25: netball it's not like rugby where players have lists of options,

1371
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 25: you know, Japan, Prance allywhere else around the world. Netball

1372
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 25: in New Zealand is one of the premier competitions in

1373
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 25: the world. They're not going to get much more money

1374
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 25: going to England's Australia. They're ready the only options. So

1375
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 25: we just have to look at this and say make

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01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 25: it happen.

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Speaker 2: Lavina, who is this Braxton that you want to talk about.

1378
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Speaker 9: So we realize that there's a very important rugby match

1379
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 9: coming up and ed is the Ferns up against the

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01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 9: Australia's in Newcastle. And we often beat the Australians all

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01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 9: the time, all the time. But Branson Sorenson McKee is

1382
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 9: eighteen years of age. She is about to make her

1383
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 9: debut for the national side, and she comes from amazing pedigree,

1384
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 9: which is the Sorenson Boys curtain, Dane Sorenson Rugby League.

1385
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 9: I've watched her throughout the All Picky competition in the

1386
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 9: Blues and she's managed to slot her place into that side,

1387
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 9: ahead of Puschal Woodman who was not selected push Woodman, Wicklim,

1388
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 9: ahead of Stacy Walker, ahead of Georgia Miller as well.

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Speaker 5: And this kid is someone to watch.

1390
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Speaker 9: And I think as a country, we don't just have

1391
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 9: to wait until our national side plays in a World

1392
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 9: Cup where.

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 5: We go, oh, let's watch the trick, Let's watch the women.

1394
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 5: This will be fun. Oh my gosh, so world champions,

1395
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 5: Oh my god. I love women's rugby.

1396
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 9: Keep an eye out for this kid eighteen making her

1397
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 9: debut against Australia in Newcastle.

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Speaker 5: She can light up that rugby field mate. She is

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01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 5: she the one out Levina?

1400
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: Is she the one that Darcy Waldgraves is calling the

1401
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: ghost runner?

1402
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 5: You've got it, You've got the one, You've got the one.

1403
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1404
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 5: She is phenomenal.

1405
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 9: She is fast, and she is elusive, and she's as

1406
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 9: good as any rugby fullback I have seen in the

1407
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 9: last decade.

1408
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: She is outstanding, male or female.

1409
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: Do you know about her?

1410
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 11: Coops?

1411
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 2: Did you just also get a lesson like me?

1412
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 17: No?

1413
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 13: I got to meet her last week.

1414
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 25: Actually they were training here a welling set and the

1415
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 25: team was announced and and there she was very emotional

1416
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 25: after being named in her first squad last week, and

1417
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 25: you could see what it meant to her face to face.

1418
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 25: She seems incredibly passionate, incredibly excited to make an impact.

1419
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 25: She's obviously worked it, worked really hard, and yeah, really

1420
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 25: excited to see what what she can offer and World Cup. Yeah,

1421
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 25: and keeping those senior players out, those World Cup winners

1422
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 25: that Levina mentioned in World Cup year this early stages

1423
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 25: is pretty impressive.

1424
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 13: So you watch the space I photo confidence.

1425
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, guys, thank you so much, go and enjoy

1426
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: your weeknd A sport. That's Adam Cooper, host of the

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01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: All Sport Breakfasts in Wellington and Levin a good sports journo.

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: Eight away from six.

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1430
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 2: Heather, I'm seeing a pattern here. Netball New Zealand and

1432
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby need to pull their heads out of

1433
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: their asses. Being your bang on. You know what the pattern,

1434
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the pattern here is is that

1435
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: in both cases, like think about it, right, both of

1436
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: them are stuffing their local competitions, aren't they. I mean,

1437
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: how many, how many times, how many years in a

1438
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: row do I need to tell you that? I don't

1439
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: watch Super rugby anymore? And I'm just I'm just one punter,

1440
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: but there are heaps like me and I don't watch

1441
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: netball anymore because why would I watch netball. It's a

1442
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: crap competition. Like when we had the Trans Tasmin competition.

1443
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: Now we were talking like that that was a good competition.

1444
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: The New Zealand competition really sucks. So both of them

1445
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: have in a really weird way like that, they've introduced

1446
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: all these really weird rules to basically stuff their own

1447
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: local competitions and then they wonder why nobody wants to

1448
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: play the game anymore or watch very very similar vibes,

1449
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: very similar vibes here the qmu's rugby the car park

1450
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: has a lot of potholes and loose metal and need seiling.

1451
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: Could New Zealand Rugby Union cough up the cash? No,

1452
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: they can't because they need to fly seventy five thousand

1453
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: people to Japan for the next rugby test, so they're

1454
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: going to be spending their money on that. Actually, hey,

1455
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to tell you that the woman that

1456
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: this show is now officially endorsing as the next leader

1457
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: of the Liberals in Australia has officially put her hat

1458
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: in the ring for the leader of the Liberals in Australia.

1459
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: I know, we're getting involved in weird parts of politics

1460
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: that nobody knew that we were in.

1461
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 11: Hopefully Jeff Bezos isn't listening.

1462
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: What's Jeff Bezos?

1463
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 11: Remember he didn't let his paper do an endorse That's right,

1464
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 11: Maybe too much of a callback.

1465
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: No, yeah, well, well totally. Hopefully he isn't listening, and

1466
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: then he will hear that I'm doing an endorsement of

1467
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: the opposition party in Australian politics and freaked out by

1468
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: Susan The reason we're excited by Susan Lee, whose name

1469
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: should be pronounced Sussan Lay, is because if she does

1470
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: in fact become the next leader of the Liberals, she's

1471
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: got to beat what's his name, Angus Taylor. No, I

1472
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: didn't know who he was either. Anyway, she's got to

1473
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: beat him. But if she does win, she will become

1474
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: presumably the first leader of a major party in Australian

1475
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: politics who has some sort of expertise in numerology. Because

1476
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: remember she put the S in her name. We were

1477
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: telling you yesterday she put the S in her name

1478
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: so she could have an exciting life according to numerology.

1479
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: I am sorry to tell you never become the Prime

1480
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: Minister of Australia because she's sixty three at the moment,

1481
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: and the next time they got a vote, she'll be

1482
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: sixty six. And that's getting a bit old, do you

1483
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean for Australasian politics. So she's probably

1484
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: a placeholder, you know, like Assimon Bridges, that kind of

1485
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: a vibe. Yeah, that's okay. They're good for her. All

1486
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: power to her. Little in Friday, now, little and Friday.

1487
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm very sad to tell you I've got two bits

1488
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: of sad news in a row. Obviously, Little and Friday

1489
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: has closed all of its stores now if you live

1490
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: in Auckland, and I feel bad for people who don't

1491
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: live in Auckland because you will never experience what we

1492
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: have experienced in Auckland. But Little and Friday were famous

1493
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: for their donuts. They had these donuts that you'd bite

1494
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: into them and all this cream would come out. But

1495
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: it wasn't like you know how some donuts you eat

1496
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: the cream and you're like, oh too much lemon or

1497
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like intensely sweet. These guys nailed it,

1498
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: absolutely nailed it. Famous for their donuts, but not famous enough. Unfortunately,

1499
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: they shut down the new Market store, then they shut

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01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: down their Takapoona store, and now they've shut down their

1501
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: pons and Bee store. It's just basically what's happened to hospitality.

1502
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: It's that's not a name that will be like super

1503
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: famous around the country. Do you like an SBQR? But

1504
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: it's famous in Ponsomby and Takapoona and new Market and

1505
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: it's just another one. Another one bites the dust. In

1506
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: this recession caused by Adrian Or talking to the IID

1507
01:06:51,360 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: next about all the money it's found, newstalks'd by Skill.

1508
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 3: What's up? What's down?

1509
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: One with the major calls and how will it affect

1510
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: the economy, the big business questions on the Business Hour

1511
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mares insurance and investments, Grow

1512
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future US talk.

1513
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Speaker 3: Said be.

1514
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: Even than coming up in the next hour. We'll speak

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Speaker 2: to KIWI Cardinal John Due, who'll be calling us from

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Speaker 2: the Vatican in about twenty minutes. Peter Lewis out of

1517
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: Asia on how much hope we should have that China

1518
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: and the US can settle this trade war. Next week

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01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: in Gavin Gray out of the UK on the trade

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: deal with the US. At seven past six. Now the

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01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,959
Speaker 2: IID has uncovered more than one hundred and fifty million

1522
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: dollars of undeclared tax tax should say in the property sector,

1523
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 2: developers and rental property owners haven't been paying the correct

1524
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: GST income tax and brightline test taxes. Tony Morris is

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Speaker 2: an Inland Revenue senior manager and with us now, Hey Tony.

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Speaker 14: Oh, Heather, thanks for inviting me.

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for talking to us. Is it accidental or deliberate.

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 14: It's a mixture of both actually, because there's a range

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 14: of things we do with property and we've been investing

1530
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 14: in our sort of compliance activity over the last couple

1531
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 14: of years and not last year with extra money from

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 14: the government. So it's a range of mistakes that we

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 14: try to help people with an educate and then there

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 14: is some stuff that's deliberate.

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01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: Oh what proportioned you reckon? Is deliberate?

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 14: Had to say an actual proportion, because you could talk

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 14: about either money or the number of different tax payers

1538
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 14: who do that. But probably what we see sometimes, especially

1539
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 14: in the GST area and the property developers with the GST,

1540
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 14: people can quite often get refunds up front for the

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 14: expenses they pay on developing.

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 3: Or on.

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 14: On buying a property and then selling it. So sometimes

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01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 14: people claim the refund and when they go to sell

1545
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 14: it not always return that amount that they should do

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01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 14: when they sell. And some people actually tend to use

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01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 14: IR as a bit of a finance opportunity to get

1548
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 14: to get the refund and then a lot to use

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01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 14: that to buy the next section rather than patch pay

1550
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 14: the tax. And one thing with GST we should remember

1551
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 14: is that's actually sort of the people that bought the

1552
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 14: proper originally giving the GST to the property developer or

1553
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 14: such like in there, then meant to pass it onto

1554
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 14: ID because it was never their money. So we see,

1555
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 14: we see a little bit of that. But we've got

1556
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 14: so much better data and intelligence tools now, we've been

1557
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 14: really investing in that, so we we do know now

1558
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 14: every time someone sells property in New Zealand, and our

1559
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 14: system can match quite quickly to see where do we

1560
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 14: think that's when a property is sold, that they should

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 14: retain some tax on that in the next return. So

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 14: we actually advise them as soon as we know that that, hey,

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 14: we see you sold the property, well done, but amrik

1564
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 14: looking forward to seeing that in the next return or

1565
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 14: at payment and.

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01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: I love it, well pay up okay.

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01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 14: So we try to start with a nice message.

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, I love it.

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01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 11: Okay.

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 2: So are you telling me now? Like back in the

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 2: old days you could pretend you could probably be like,

1572
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: oh nah, I'm just not going to declare it like

1573
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: it was like an honesty box system with the bright

1574
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: line test. That's no longer the case you're going to

1575
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 2: it's going to ping with you. It's going to flag

1576
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: with you, and you're going to know when people need

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 2: to be paying you up automatically.

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 14: Yeah, well we're going to We're going to know that

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01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 14: you sold a property and our system will tell us

1580
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 14: whether there's a good chance that you might have to

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 14: pay text on it, which won't get it one hundred

1582
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 14: percent right, but we will notify you to see that

1583
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 14: you may be liable and let us know if you're

1584
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 14: not work with us if you want to, or we

1585
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 14: expect to see them the next return. And if people

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01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 14: don't file it and we think they should have paid

1587
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 14: or that, then we can get onto them straight away

1588
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 14: and even raise an assessment against them, so we can

1589
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 14: start sort of collecting the text as well, really early,

1590
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 14: rather than waite quite a few months. And what we

1591
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 14: find is when we are contacting people who do need

1592
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 14: to pass the text, they caught us and do what

1593
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 14: we call a voluntary disclosure and sort of disclosure, I

1594
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 14: should return it and then we work with them to

1595
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 14: sudden everything up. Then.

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey listen, thanks very much, Tony. I

1597
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: appreciate it and well done, as you say, good message

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 2: up front. Well done on getting all the money in

1599
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 2: Tony Morris Inland Revenue Senior manager Heather Do for Seela

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Speaker 2: Now yesterday on the program, do you remember, we're having

1601
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 2: a chat to the USUA meher Tanya Tapsule, And what

1602
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: we were discussing is an article that question whether or

1603
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: to is tourism industry was dying and she didn't believe

1604
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: it was dying. She's talking about tourism, but they haven't

1605
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: actually asked anyone in tourisms.

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01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 8: A couple of cafes or rather dodgy looking accommodation provider.

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 2: Well, we decided to call the dodgy looking accommodation provider

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01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 2: because it was named in the article, and we googled

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: it and we looked at it. We saw that's not

1610
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: that dodgy looking, so we called her and the owner

1611
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: is Sue, and Sue, well, she was not impressed.

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 8: I think it's completely unfounded. I think she shouldn't be

1613
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 8: calling us a dodgy motel when she hasn't actually been

1614
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 8: down to see our motel and see the clones that

1615
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 8: we have. I don't think our clientele would be very

1616
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 8: happy with her comments. I would have thought that she'd

1617
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 8: been trying to support businesses and rotaru and not bagging them.

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: Now Sue took it. Sue's not impressed, you can tell

1619
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: just from her tone. Sue, Sue's probably had to deal

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 2: with a lot of this kind of nonsense. Actually in

1621
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: the last wee while disparaging comments about motels and Rotroua,

1622
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 2: she didn't need Tanya to be throwing the shade at her.

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: She told us she only took over the motel in August,

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: and she's put in plenty of work to renovate the place.

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: She's painted some new paint, new beds, new cutlery, and

1626
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 2: all the rooms. And the situation gets worse for Tanya

1627
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: because Sue has invited Tanya down to the dodgy looking accommodation.

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01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: So Tanya is going to have to go. If Tanya

1629
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: is good to her, if Tanya wants that vote right there,

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01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: she's going to have to walk herself down to Roua

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01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: Motel and see it for herself and correct the record.

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01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: Got herself got herself in hot water there, didn't she?

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01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 2: Twelve past six It's.

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Speaker 2: Hey, now we've see good by a summer, as we

1637
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1642
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1643
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Speaker 2: They've got no artificial sweetness, no artificial flavors, no artificial colors,

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Speaker 2: and they're made from real fruit and they've only got

1646
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Speaker 2: twenty calories per can. Now what's interesting is they've been

1647
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Speaker 2: craft brewed for three days.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a long time, but it actually makes

1650
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: sense because it's three days to lock in all those

1651
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: incredible flavors. And honestly, you would not expect anything less

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Speaker 2: from Bunderberg because they care about making stuff that just tastes.

1653
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Speaker 2: major supermarkets now.

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Speaker 2: John Due out of Vatican City with us very very

1658
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: shortly right now at sixteen PAS six and Jason wolves Is,

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 2: our political editor, are wrapping the political week that was

1660
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 11: Jason, Oh, thank you very much. Good to be back.

1662
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: Scale of one to ten. How bad has this gender

1663
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: equity pay thing been for the government?

1664
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 4: Oh, you'd have to say it would be up there right.

1665
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you can understand why the government has gone

1666
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 4: ahead and done this. They're talking about that there's still

1667
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 4: the equity issue that is in question here, that's still

1668
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 4: something that they're tackling, but they're talking more about the

1669
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 4: sort of the leakages from the side in terms of

1670
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 4: how much extra money that this is costing, and it

1671
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 4: has gone far beyond the brief but in terms of

1672
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 4: the backlash, I mean there were people outside minister's officers today.

1673
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 4: It's been front and center of every headline. And I

1674
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 4: think just also the money aspect of this, doing it

1675
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 4: just before the budget and then just saying oh, it

1676
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with the money. You'd have to

1677
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 4: say this is looking like about an eight out of

1678
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 4: ten in terms of bad for the government when it

1679
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 4: comes to that to this sort of how it looks

1680
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 4: for the government I would say, but okay, So the.

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01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: Thing about this is is that actually, when it has

1682
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 2: explained properly, it's not the world's worst thing.

1683
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: Right.

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01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: Obviously the Opposition are going to have a crack at it,

1685
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 2: but it feels to me like the way that they've

1686
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 2: rolled this out has been largely and tried to explain

1687
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: it has been largely the problem. What's wrong with them?

1688
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 4: Well, explaining is losing a lot of the time in politics.

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01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 4: And I did see something on Facebook just before where

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 4: it said that National is not scrapping pay equity and

1691
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 4: then they had this whole paragraph on why not Yes.

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01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 4: That to me is that you haven't sold this correctly.

1693
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at it, as you say,

1694
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 4: the nuts and the bolts of this, it is it

1695
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 4: seems is very far removed from what the Opposition and

1696
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 4: the unions saying this is. But they just haven't been

1697
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 4: able to sell it very well. And it hasn't helped

1698
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 4: that the Prime Minister hasn't been here for this. I

1699
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 4: mean he was he chose to go and do a

1700
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 4: tourism announcement, you know, and he when he could have

1701
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 4: been in Parliament talking about this.

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01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 2: I hardly think he's the Communicator of the Year, So

1703
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: what was he going to do to help the situation?

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01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 4: You know, putting the Prime minister's face to it, I mean,

1705
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 4: and in fairness to him, he has been answering questions

1706
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 4: when he has been out in region on New Zealand.

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: But you know, it's not looking good for them at

1708
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 4: the stage and this is something that will play on.

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01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: We'll tell you what, Jason, tell me what you think

1710
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: of this. They should have been upfront right from the

1711
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: get go about what this was about. It always was

1712
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: about saving money, because if Audrey's numbers are correct, and

1713
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: we're talking seventeen billion dollars, that's a huge amount of

1714
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: money and clearly money that needed to be saved. And

1715
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 2: clearly there was something going on that the system was

1716
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: not working properly. So should they not just have come

1717
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 2: out and said, listen, this thing is broken, it's doing

1718
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 2: weird stuff, it's costing way too much. We have to

1719
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: save this money and do this properly. This is about

1720
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: saving money for the country. Don't you think if they'd

1721
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: just been upfront, we could all understand why they were

1722
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: doing it and actually get on board with it.

1723
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 4: I do, and I think the sort of the smoke

1724
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 4: and Dagger's routine about oh no, this isn't about the

1725
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 4: budget and sort of this back and forth between Nikola

1726
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 4: Willis and David Seymour are out and Brooks saving the

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 4: budget and Nicholas saying oh you know he was speaking

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Speaker 4: in his capacity as act leader rather than Associate Finance

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Speaker 4: Minister hasn't helped them at all. It makes it look

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Speaker 4: like they're all on different pages. Had frankly a little

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Speaker 4: bit mischievous about it. So I think that this is

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Speaker 4: sort of like one for the political commentators to write

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01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 4: about years to come about bad announcement management.

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Speaker 2: Would Yea's totally how not to Now how much of

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Speaker 2: a fight has the government got on its hands with

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Speaker 2: this review of the White Tongy Tribunal.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I would say that you know, there

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Speaker 4: will be a lot of people out there that would

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Speaker 4: agree with where they're going with this. And again this

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01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 4: shouldn't come as a surprise. You know, we know that

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Speaker 4: they were going to review the White Tongy Tribunal because

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01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 4: all three government parties have been very aligned in what

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 4: they've been saying is that the White Tongy Tribunal has

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Speaker 4: really divorced itself from its initial brief in terms of

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Speaker 4: becoming as David Seymour said, increasingly activists. So everybody should

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Speaker 4: have seen this coming, but I would. I mean, you've

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01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 4: already had Labor, the Greens, Tea Party Marti coming out

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Speaker 4: quite strongly and saying just how bad this is for

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Speaker 4: New Zealand and how bad it is for Mardi the

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01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 4: Crown relations. But well, you know it's not going away.

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Speaker 4: They're reviewing it and effectively taking it back to make

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01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 4: it quote unquote according to Palmer Potaka more fit for purpose.

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Speaker 4: So we'll have to see how this goes. But the

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Speaker 4: Opposition is not going to take this one lying down,

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Speaker 4: and I'd expect a lot of protests around this one too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this review that Act wants to do of how

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01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: social media is affecting young people and stuff. What's going

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Speaker 2: on here.

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Speaker 4: Well, so the Issue Act had and you'll remember that

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Speaker 4: earlier this week the Nats came out with this members

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Speaker 4: bill where they said that they wanted to ban social

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Speaker 4: media rather than a government bill, which is where a

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Speaker 4: government can essentially just put it through because they're the government.

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Speaker 4: A members bill has to be drawn from the biscuitin

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Speaker 4: Act didn't agree with it. Because they said it was

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Speaker 4: bad lawmaking, the process was off. They looked at the

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Speaker 4: Australian example, how they're struggling with things. So doing it

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Speaker 4: through a select committee review like this, we'd give it

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Speaker 4: a little bit more scope to have more people come

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Speaker 4: in and actually look into it. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: Catherine wad she blessed her. She might be a sorry

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Speaker 4: bless her sounds really condescending, but she's probably a very

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Speaker 4: smart person. But with a bill like this, you need

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Speaker 4: the weight of the public service behind you to get

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Speaker 4: involved and deal with those sort of intricacies of the law.

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Speaker 4: And going through a select committee process like this I

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Speaker 4: think would help bring a little bit more weight to

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Speaker 4: a bill.

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Speaker 2: Jason, thanks very much. Appreciate that. It's Jason Wall's political editor,

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Speaker 2: wrapping the political week that was. By the way, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Gavin Gray. He'll be with us

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Speaker 2: before this program is finished for the evening, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: He'll be with us shortly. I'm going to talk to

1784
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Speaker 2: him about this UK US trade deal. Immediate reactions on

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Speaker 2: the share markets, as you would expect to that. The

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01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: share price of Rolls Royce immediately went up, and then

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: and then you know, decreased slightly but ended up about

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Speaker 2: four percent up for the day. Boeing's share price also

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Speaker 2: went up by around about the same four percent because

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Speaker 2: there was you know, it was it was basically revealed

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Speaker 2: that a UK company unnamed would poach at purchase Boeing

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Speaker 2: planes worth about ten billion US dollars. So fair, fair

1793
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Speaker 2: amount of reaction already to what's been announced six twenty two.

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: Six twenty four. I mean, how how's this for timing?

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Speaker 2: So I started the program. I don't know if you recall,

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Speaker 2: but if you were listening at the start of the program,

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Speaker 2: one of the in fact, the very first interview that

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Speaker 2: we had was with Auckland Council about dog attacks. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to tell you there has been another dog attack,

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Speaker 2: not this not today, but this week and it's just

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01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: been revealed today happened in South Auckland and manga are Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Happened on Monday. It involved in eleven year old boy.

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Speaker 2: What happened is he left his house on his bike.

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Speaker 2: As as you know, many mums will see off there

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Speaker 2: a eleven year old boy. Off you go, you know,

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01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: you ride around town. It's not a big deal. Rode off.

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Speaker 2: Two minutes later, mum gets a call attacked by a dog.

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Speaker 2: Stitches six twenty five. Hever du Now, it didn't take

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Speaker 2: cardinals long to choose Leo the fourteenth as the new pope.

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Speaker 2: One of the cardinals was our very own John Due,

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Speaker 2: who is with us now?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 20: John, Hello, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well and very good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Did you vote for Leo?

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Speaker 20: Thank you? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Did you vote for Leo?

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Speaker 20: I can tell you who I voted for. That's writing

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Speaker 20: is highly secretive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, forever. Well, that makes sense. They burn all the

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Speaker 2: votes at the end, don't they. Have you met him yet?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 20: I have, yes, And after after his after his election,

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Speaker 20: we all I had met him once a few months ago,

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Speaker 20: but after his election we all had the opportunity to

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Speaker 20: go and have a few words with him. And then

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Speaker 20: after he had appeared on the balcony to the thousands

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Speaker 20: of people in the Saint Peter's Square, he had a

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Speaker 20: dinner at the place where the cardinals are all staying

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Speaker 20: so and he wandered around speaking to I mean, there

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Speaker 20: was a couple of hundred people there, but he spoke

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Speaker 20: to many of the people. He's a lovely, lovely man.

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Speaker 2: What did you talk to him about? Sorry, what did

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Speaker 2: you talk to him about?

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Speaker 20: Well, it was just a moment like when we when

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Speaker 20: we all met him. I just reminded him who I

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Speaker 20: was and said that I'd had the practice of every

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Speaker 20: day praying and support for pro Francis and I would

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Speaker 20: continue doing it for him. And he said, thank you

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Speaker 20: very much. You know, I certainly need that. So just

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Speaker 20: that kind of thing. But then he just wandered around

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Speaker 20: the tables for a little while last night at the

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Speaker 20: meal we had and just ask everyone how they were.

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Speaker 20: We have a mess with him later this morning, so

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Speaker 20: no doubt he will speak to us a bit more

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Speaker 20: seriously about what he's expecting of us in the church

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Speaker 20: and what he hopes to do.

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Speaker 2: John, how what do you think about him as the

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Speaker 2: pope replace? You know, following on from Francis?

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Speaker 3: Is this?

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Speaker 2: Do you think an endorsement of Francis? Because we haven't

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Speaker 2: swung wildly from a liberal to a conservative, but we've

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Speaker 2: gone from a liberal to a moderate.

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Speaker 20: I do believe that he will continue some of the

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Speaker 20: initiatives that initiated. He will be his own person, of course,

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Speaker 20: and he will have his own things to think about

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Speaker 20: and try and steer the church in a particular way.

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Speaker 20: But very much the meetings that we had for ten

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Speaker 20: days were very much about what's needed in the church

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Speaker 20: and in the world today. And everyone was saying, we

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Speaker 20: can't have a copy of post Francis, but we would

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Speaker 20: like to make sure that many of his initiatives do continue,

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Speaker 20: and I'm sure that he will look to do I'm

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Speaker 20: sure he will.

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Speaker 6: Look to do that.

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Speaker 2: John, have you watched the movie Conclave?

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Speaker 20: I have, yep, not long before I came over.

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Speaker 2: How similar was it to the movie?

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Speaker 20: There were some parts that are similar in the sense

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Speaker 20: that the capitals are all together in this place called

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Speaker 20: Sant de Marta, just for the last for the time

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Speaker 20: of the conclave, the entrance into the Sistine Chapel, for

1876
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Speaker 20: the beginning of the voting, you know, being near the saints,

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Speaker 20: prayed for the gift of the Holy Spirit to guide us,

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Speaker 20: those sort of things. The way the voting was done

1879
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Speaker 20: is sort of similar to what we saw in the movie.

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Speaker 2: The marbled rooms, marvel I.

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Speaker 20: Mean when you go into places like the Sistine Chapel

1882
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Speaker 20: and the resounds the surrounding chapels and always marveled and

1883
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 20: beautiful architecture and art work, et cetera. So it's a

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Speaker 20: privilege to be in a place like that and to

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Speaker 20: be able to be part of the voting for a

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Speaker 20: new Come.

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Speaker 2: John, thank you so much. I really appreciate and enjoy

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Speaker 2: your mass. I really appreciate your time. That's John. Do

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Speaker 2: you Cardinal from New Zealand? Do you know what I

1890
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: would have talked to them about? As I would have

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much time they do get to

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Speaker 2: do a bit of research before they meet the new Pope.

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Speaker 2: But the White Sox so to put this in your

1894
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 2: list of things in case you ever meet the fat

1895
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Speaker 2: the Pope. White Sox big fan, tennis fan. Considers himself

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Speaker 2: an amateur tennis player. But that's what all good tennis

1897
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: players say, because I'm just an amateur. But then you

1898
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 2: play against them and they just whip your butts. And

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Speaker 2: he's he's a whippit of a man. Have you seen him.

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Speaker 2: He's sprightly, so he would I think he'd be good

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Speaker 2: with the racket. Actually Asian next news talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 3: Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither dule c allen with the business hour and

1904
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Speaker 1: mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future

1905
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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 18: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Machine if you're aware of it. But there's a little

1908
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Speaker 2: bit of a spying row that's been going on involving

1909
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Speaker 2: the US and Denmark. There is concerns that Washington's spy

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Speaker 2: agencies have been fox have been told to focus on

1911
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Speaker 2: Greenland because you know, he wants he wants Greenland, and

1912
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Speaker 2: it's hard to know whether that is a juggle for

1913
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Speaker 2: real anyway. As a result of that, Denmark's foreign minister

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Speaker 2: is going to summon in the US ambassador and that's

1915
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Speaker 2: a bit you know like that in the diplomatic world.

1916
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Speaker 2: That's a big deal. Going to get a telling off.

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Speaker 2: So Gavin Gray is going to talk us through that

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Speaker 2: when he's with us very shortly. Right now, it's twenty

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Speaker 2: two away from seven and Peter lewis our Asia business

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Speaker 2: correspondents with US.

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Speaker 26: Hey, Peter, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Now, Peter, obviously Trump's tariffs are going to come down

1923
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Speaker 2: on China. But is it because he's said as much,

1924
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Speaker 2: But will it happen after this weekend?

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Speaker 26: It's hard to know. I think we've got to sort

1926
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 26: of temper our expectations a bit about this weekend because

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Speaker 26: these aren't really negotiations about trade. Their talks about having

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Speaker 26: talks and whether or not the right circumstances can exist

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Speaker 26: whereby they can start having some substantive discussions about trade.

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Speaker 26: And the sticking point at the moment is that China

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Speaker 26: has been insisting all along that before there can be

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Speaker 26: those disc Ushians Trump needs to remove his tariffs on

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Speaker 26: Chinese goods. Now, it's hard to imagine that Donald Trump

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Speaker 26: is going to remove them in their entirety. Maybe he

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Speaker 26: might partially reduce them and say come down. Instead of

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Speaker 26: imposing one hundred and twenty five percent tariffs, maybe impost

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Speaker 26: fifty percent or something like that. So the question is

1938
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Speaker 26: is that going to be enough to get China to

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Speaker 26: the negotiating table. And I think this is what we're

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Speaker 26: going to hear. A lot of the discussion will be

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Speaker 26: about over the weekend to try and create those conditions

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Speaker 26: where they can talk. But even if they do get

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Speaker 26: to the point, we now have a template for what

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Speaker 26: Donald Trump thinks a trade deal ought to look like,

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Speaker 26: and that's the US trade deal that was announced yesterday.

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Speaker 26: Now that is not, in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 26: a trade deal as you would imagine it. What it

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Speaker 26: is is a tariff reduction agreement. In other words, I've

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Speaker 26: put one hundred and twenty five percent tariffs on you,

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Speaker 26: or whatever they are in the UK's case, and I'll

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Speaker 26: reduce some of them across certain sectors. But at the

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Speaker 26: end of it, tarotts are still much higher than when

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Speaker 26: Donald Trump came to office in January. Now, is that

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Speaker 26: going to be workable with China? I think not, because,

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Speaker 26: first of all, those types of deals where you sort

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Speaker 26: of swap tariff arrangements on certain limited sectors only really

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Speaker 26: work where you have balanced trade or maybe a trade surplus.

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Speaker 26: But the US has a huge deficit with China, so

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Speaker 26: that isn't going to be the right templates in any way,

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Speaker 26: It's not going to be of any interest to China whatsoever.

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Speaker 26: They want to have tarifts removed and they want to

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Speaker 26: have a much more encompassing broad trade agreement, which will

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Speaker 26: take many, many months to get to pieces.

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Speaker 2: So at the same time, and obviously amidst the trade worries.

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Speaker 2: China Central Bank is doing a whole bunch of things

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Speaker 2: to try and stimulate the economy. Now, are they doing

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Speaker 2: it to stimulate what they are already seeing happen, like

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Speaker 2: the impact they're already seeing, or are they doing this

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Speaker 2: to prepare for the impact of these tariffs actually staying

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Speaker 2: in place for a long time.

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Speaker 26: I think both. I mean, at the moment, they are

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Speaker 26: suffering an impact of this. It's hitting the economy because

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Speaker 26: trade between the world's two largest economies has just completely

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Speaker 26: ground to a halt, and you look at you see

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Speaker 26: that in things like the shipping numbers. If you look

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Speaker 26: at the port of Los Angeles, for example, where most

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Speaker 26: Chinese ships go through to bring their products to the US,

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Speaker 26: trade is down about thirty percent compared to this time

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Speaker 26: last year. So it's hitting Chinese exports, which is a

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Speaker 26: big part of the Chinese economy. So it is absolutely

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Speaker 26: hurting the Chinese economy at the moment. So this is

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Speaker 26: partly to deal with what it's already seeing. But I

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Speaker 26: think it does fear that this can only get worse

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Speaker 26: because the longer this goes on, where the two countries

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Speaker 26: are not doing any trade with each other, it's going

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Speaker 26: to hurt both economies. It's going to hurt the US consumer,

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Speaker 26: and it's going to hurt the Chinese exporter and particularly

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Speaker 26: small manufacturers who provide lots of the goods and components

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Speaker 26: that US firms need to put together products for their

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Speaker 26: consumer base. So China is assuming this is going to

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Speaker 26: get worse, but I think it's digging in for the

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Speaker 26: long term here. It's assuming the worst at the moment,

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Speaker 26: and in the meantime it's looking for other markets. And

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Speaker 26: if you look at Chinese trade, for example, with Southeast

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Speaker 26: Asian nations, it's holding up reasonably well. So they are

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Speaker 26: looking for other areas where they can try and find

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Speaker 26: replacement markets for what they're assuming is going to be

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Speaker 26: a permanent loss of the US market. The problem is

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Speaker 26: these measures that they've announced, which is a twenty five

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Speaker 26: bass point interest rate cut and also cut in the

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Speaker 26: reserve requirement ratio, which is the amount of money banks

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Speaker 26: have to put aside to guarantee loans and things. It's

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Speaker 26: not going to be enough, So China is going to

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Speaker 26: have to do a lot more if it wants to,

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Speaker 26: in particular stimulate his domestic economy to try and make

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Speaker 26: up for the loss of exports.

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Speaker 11: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Peter, it was always good to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for We'll chat to you again next week.

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Speaker 2: That's Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent, seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the business hours with Hinther Duplicy Hellen and Mayor's

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Speaker 2: Might have to give you a little update on Milania.

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Speaker 2: Trump in just a minute fourteen away from seven. Gavin

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Speaker 2: gray Ow UK correspondents with US Hey, Kevin Hither. So

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Speaker 2: this trade deal, who's it bitter for the US or

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Speaker 2: the UK?

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Speaker 3: Very good questions.

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Speaker 23: That's been something that's been debated, but the Prime Minister

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Speaker 23: says this is a great deal, fantastic historic deal and

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Speaker 23: is very keen. So what the US and UK have

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Speaker 23: agreed to do is that Donald Trump is to remove

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Speaker 23: the twenty five percent tariff on steel and aluminium coming

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Speaker 23: out of the UK and into the US.

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Speaker 10: He will also.

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Speaker 23: Cut the rate on exports from twenty seven and a

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Speaker 23: half percent to ten percent, and that actually is pretty

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Speaker 23: crucial because companies like Jaguar landro have actually put a

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Speaker 23: temporary pause on production and export, waiting for an announcement

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Speaker 23: like this. It covers the first hundred thousand cars, but

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Speaker 23: last year I think we sold one hundred and one

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Speaker 23: thousand across the Atlantic, so it is going to be

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Speaker 23: pretty good. In return, the UK government says it's removing

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Speaker 23: the tariff on ethanol for US goods and agrees reciprocal

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Speaker 23: market access on beef. It's going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 23: Farmers rather worried about that last bit. Now, I suppose

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Speaker 23: the question is having announced a deal with India and

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Speaker 23: America this week, two huge company, big trading partners, of course,

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Speaker 23: we now turn the focus on the EU, and already

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Speaker 23: we're hearing now from the Governor of the Bank of

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Speaker 23: England saying Britain needs to rebuild its trade relationship with

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Speaker 23: the European in it is the UK's largest trading partner

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Speaker 23: and there are calls for a reset in relations.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, why was Kirs Starman not at the White House

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Speaker 2: for the announcement?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, he interested in this. He's had a rather busy

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Speaker 23: diary lately and it would appear that he was enjoying

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Speaker 23: certain hospitality. There was a report of with Arsenal playing,

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Speaker 23: but also he has now got to go to Norway

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Speaker 23: today as well, So I think it's just one of

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Speaker 23: those things. It was seen a long way. They thought

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Speaker 23: they'd leave it in the hands of Lord Peter Mandelson,

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Speaker 23: former very senior minister within Tony Blair's government and seen

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Speaker 23: as a very smooth operator. So he was the one

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Speaker 23: that was on the shoulder of Donald Trump as the

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Speaker 23: signing went ahead.

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Speaker 13: And yeah, I think.

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Speaker 23: An interesting thing that sort of Sir kis starmer didn't

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Speaker 23: think the need to go.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. Hey, so what's gonna happen. What's

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Speaker 2: the UK going to do with these Russian oil tankers?

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Speaker 23: Well, since the invasion of Ukraine, many Western countries of

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Speaker 23: course have impost sanctions are Russian energy, that is, by

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Speaker 23: limiting imports and capping the price of its oil. These

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Speaker 23: are of course trying to prevent that money going into

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Speaker 23: Russia in order then to be used to fund the war.

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Speaker 23: But to get around these penalties, Russia has built up

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Speaker 23: what's been referred to as a shadow fleet of tankers.

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Speaker 23: The ownerships and movements are obscured. They aren't a sort

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Speaker 23: of officially on the register of Russian boats, but they

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Speaker 23: are being used, it's believe, to export oil around the world.

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Speaker 23: The government thinks they are decrepit, often in a very

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Speaker 23: dangerous state, and responsible for what they've described as reckless seafaring.

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Speaker 23: Now it's not just one or two boats, it's up

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Speaker 23: to one hundred vessels carrying more than thirty eight billion

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Speaker 23: New Zealand dollars worth of cargo since the start of

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Speaker 23: twenty twenty four. And so Sekir starmers I mentioned that

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Speaker 23: he's with North European leaders at the Joint Expeditionary Force

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Speaker 23: in Oslo today and he is announcing that there are

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Speaker 23: going to be sanctions on those one hundred vessels, and

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Speaker 23: I think he's hoping that other leaders there would take

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Speaker 23: note and maybe do the same, because at the moment,

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Speaker 23: all those sanctions are are going to be banning them

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Speaker 23: from British ports and also potentially detaining them if they

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Speaker 23: come into UK waters. If that now is expanded by

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Speaker 23: other nations and the JEF as it's known, consisting of

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Speaker 23: ten nations, including Denmark, Norway in the Netherlands, then this

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Speaker 23: could be a much bigger step.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, listen, is this Denmark situation serious?

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Speaker 23: Yes, it is so the Wall Street Journal in America

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Speaker 23: leaked a story saying that the spy agencies in Washington

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Speaker 23: in America have been told by the Trump administration to

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Speaker 23: focus their minds on Greenland amid that threat of Donald

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Speaker 23: Trump to take over the island. Now, according to the newspaper,

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Speaker 23: US spy agencies told to focus efforts on the semi

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Speaker 23: autonomous countries independence movement and America's goals, of course, to

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Speaker 23: extract minimal resources there. So the Director of National Intelligence

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Speaker 23: has reacted furiously to this league, saying that it is

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Speaker 23: an attempt to undermine President Trump by politicizing and leaking

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Speaker 23: classified information, accusing the Wall Street Journal of breaking the

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Speaker 23: law and undermining our nations security and democracy. But the

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Speaker 23: Danes are saying, well, hang on a minute now, are

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Speaker 23: you spying on an ally here? So they're summoning the

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Speaker 23: US ambassador to effectively address these reports, and as you

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Speaker 23: can imagine, are not happy with Denmark the overarching country

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Speaker 23: when it comes to Greenland, but Greenland remaining semi autonomous.

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Speaker 2: Heykevin, thanks very much, enjoy your week in and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you again next week. That's Kevin grat Are,

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent. So Millennia. Millennia. Now, I think we knew

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Speaker 2: this was. Anybody who's been watching what's going on with Trump,

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Speaker 2: mister and missus Trump probably gives that this was going

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Speaker 2: to happen. But Millennia has disappeared from view, hasn't she?

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Speaker 2: And the question is where is Millennia? So apparently what

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Speaker 2: it's about one hundred days or thereabouts, more than one

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Speaker 2: hundred days since Donald Trump was inaugurated into the White House.

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Speaker 2: But apparently Millenia has only been at the White House

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Speaker 2: for about fourteen days all up, and even that, according

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Speaker 2: to some insiders who've spoken to The New York Times,

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Speaker 2: is an overestimation of how much she's actually been there.

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Speaker 2: The lights are never on, the shutters are the shutters

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Speaker 2: are shut. She's clearly not there. She's either in Florida

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Speaker 2: or she's in New York and nobody knows where. And

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Speaker 2: the question, and like the people at the White House, apparently,

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Speaker 2: I don't think this will come as a surprise to

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Speaker 2: anyone who's watched them in public, you know, with their

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Speaker 2: their strained marriage, Given everything that's that's come out, I

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Speaker 2: would have thought that everybody would understand that there's something

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Speaker 2: we had going on, but apparently the people in the

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Speaker 2: White House are quite touchy about it, and when she's

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Speaker 2: when they're asked about it, they say, oh, no, she's

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Speaker 2: here much more than you think, but they can't say

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Speaker 2: how much longer anyway, So it's pretty clear that she's

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Speaker 2: not moving into the White House in any kind of

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Speaker 2: a significant way. And here is probably the best indication

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Speaker 2: of what's going on. She went with Donald Trump apparently

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Speaker 2: to Pope France's funeral, obviously, and then they land back

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Speaker 2: apparently on a Saturday afternoon in New Jersey, and it's

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Speaker 2: her fifty fifth birthday, so you would expect that they

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Speaker 2: would spend the birthday day together. No, she gets into

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Speaker 2: a car, she goes in her direction, he climbs into

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Speaker 2: Marine one heads off, and that's how it's going at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tooper see allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey five away from seven. As I told you, Leo

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Speaker 2: Leo the fourteenth brother back when he was still known

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Speaker 2: as Bob from Chicago. His brother is just John from Chicago.

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Speaker 2: And John's been speaking to the media and he's been

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Speaker 2: telling them all about what Leo is like.

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Speaker 15: Growing up as kids, I think we were just a

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Speaker 15: regular kids and didn't really think about that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing.

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Speaker 15: I don't know how many people find it interesting. Bird

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Speaker 15: When he was in first grade, a woman across the

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Speaker 15: street that we used to play with the kids and

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Speaker 15: a woman down the street said he would be the

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Speaker 15: first American pope in first grade.

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Speaker 3: They said that first grade.

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Speaker 15: Uh huh, a random woman knew them he would be

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Speaker 15: the pope. Well, they were neighbors, we knew them. But yes,

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Speaker 15: he knew. He knew at that age he was going

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Speaker 15: to be a priest.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, uh huh. Apparently the ironing board was the altar.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. If your kid is showing some

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Speaker 2: sort of like shoot for the stars, if they're showing

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Speaker 2: that they want to be a priest, why not be

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Speaker 2: the pope? If they were playing coppers at Candy, why

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Speaker 2: not be the police commissioner at.

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Speaker 16: Lord?

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Speaker 11: What was that? To play us out?

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Speaker 27: Tonight, she has announced that she's going to be doing

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Speaker 27: a tour in support of the new album Virgin. The

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Speaker 27: tour is going to be called the Ultrasound World Tour

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Speaker 27: and set up producer Sam has pointed out something that

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Speaker 27: is annoying me because he's absolutely right and that Ultrasound

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Speaker 27: would have been a way, way better name for the

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Speaker 27: album than Virgin, and Virgin would actually, weirdly have just

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Speaker 27: been a better name for the tour.

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Speaker 2: Why well, he says, ilded I thought about ult It's.

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Speaker 27: Like it's three syllables, it sounds unusual. It matches up

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Speaker 27: to the album art perfectly. I just think it has

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Speaker 27: cut through. I think it's a great name for an album.

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Speaker 27: And then the virgin to it as good as like

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Speaker 27: a kind of because Virgin ultrasound, it's two related words,

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Speaker 27: so you use the related word. But yeah, I just

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Speaker 27: think ultrasound should have been Believe Anyway, what do I know?

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Speaker 27: Laud's the one who's got the big successful career and

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Speaker 27: she's playing a bunch of North American shows, a bunch

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Speaker 27: of European shows of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Lord yeah, ants from Auckland thinks you've marked it up.

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Speaker 11: Actually, also, can you do a New Zealand show next year? Please?

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Speaker 9: Don't you?

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Speaker 2: Hey just thinks if you could just change it again,

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Speaker 2: because he knows a.

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Speaker 4: Lot about it.

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Speaker 11: Available for all sorts of advice.

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Speaker 28: Enjoying your weekend. See you on Monday.

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