WEBVTT - Winston Peters: Wrapping up the NZ First AGM

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks by.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I got a good old tune. Now look, Winston

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<v Speaker 2>Peters has the Deputy Prime Minister, has just finished up

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<v Speaker 2>with the New Zealand First thirty first a GM and Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 2>The party members discussed well a truckload of things, from

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<v Speaker 2>reliable energy to the future of the country and even

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<v Speaker 2>the future of them zwed that we got a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of that yesterday. It's the first AGM since they joined

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<v Speaker 2>the coalition and formed the government almost a year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a lot of ground was covered. I

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<v Speaker 2>caught a little bit of Winston Peter's speech, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just concluded. I don't mind telling you it was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining and Deputy Prime Minister and New Zealand First Leader

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<v Speaker 2>Winston Peters. Winston Peters joins me, now, good.

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<v Speaker 3>Afternoon, Good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Just quickly looked like you're having great time up there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well meeting we go between other people there, that's huge. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>no room stating room only and out the door. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we were very very pleased.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't manage to catch the whole thing, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>read a lot of information about it. But you seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to spend cool reasonable amount of time having a crack

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<v Speaker 2>at labor. Are you making a play for the some

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<v Speaker 2>of the more traditional.

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<v Speaker 3>Voters representing they're working people of this country, who are

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<v Speaker 3>after all, all sorts of people. They're the businesses, they're

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<v Speaker 3>in manual jobs, they're all got the same struggle on

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<v Speaker 3>and sort of resenting they're elitist and they've forgotten who

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<v Speaker 3>they're meant to be talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>You had also talked a lot about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>international success stories, maybe the smaller countries. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was Ireland, Croatia, and you know, the success that they

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<v Speaker 2>have experienced, especially Ireland, I think, given the terrible conflict

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<v Speaker 2>internally they had and now they've turned themselves around generally,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the lessons we can learn from countries like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a harvest do you ask that question? Because look,

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<v Speaker 3>Ireland was when I first went there, a very very

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<v Speaker 3>poor country and their biggest export were highly educated young

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<v Speaker 3>people going to some other country, and they in a

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<v Speaker 3>short time became the Celtic Tiger with some sound policies

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<v Speaker 3>to attract investment, new industries, new jobs, and new wealth.

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<v Speaker 3>And they were just duplicating what Taiwan had done, and

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<v Speaker 3>what Singapore had done, and what other countries wisely had

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<v Speaker 3>doing now like Croatia free from the chapels of communism,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's taken off. And so I'm saying, why are

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<v Speaker 3>we standing here not learning from them and doing things

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<v Speaker 3>that we used to be the world leaders of when

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<v Speaker 3>we were number one?

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<v Speaker 2>What specific lessons do you think about from those countries

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<v Speaker 2>that you'd love to bring into New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they recognized that they were going to go nowhere

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<v Speaker 3>with their own resources, with their own people unless they

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<v Speaker 3>get some assistance. But their businesses say will start up

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<v Speaker 3>there because they understand what business needs. And so they

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<v Speaker 3>have answerd the question why Ireland, Why Singapore? Why now Croatia?

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<v Speaker 3>And we haven't both answered that question. We've been trapping

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<v Speaker 3>an ideological extremist view that tacticians should be neutral and

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<v Speaker 3>it should not pick winners. And yet we've had Rocket Lab,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the fourth biggest company putting rockets into the

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<v Speaker 3>air into the stratosphere. Now in the whole world, we

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<v Speaker 3>can be a much better country if we picked the

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<v Speaker 3>white people to back and add Baldy on the way

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<v Speaker 3>through her.

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<v Speaker 2>Guests, Speaker Australian senator just enterprise. You said the West

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<v Speaker 2>can't win wars of children are taught to be ashamed

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<v Speaker 2>of their countries. Is that a problem we've got here?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a very very good speech on her part,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was talking about, you know, basically, there are

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<v Speaker 3>some good things in every country and some bad things.

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<v Speaker 3>Well picked the big things in our past and make

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<v Speaker 3>them alive again. And she made a very very powerful

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<v Speaker 3>speech about the need for people to be trained to be,

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<v Speaker 3>and for good reasons, proud of their country. We used

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<v Speaker 3>to be, you know, when we were much younger. You'd

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<v Speaker 3>hardly get off a boat, usually where people are going

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<v Speaker 3>by boat, and you'd be asked what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>of New Zealand And you hadn't been here for five minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how proud we were. And now we're not being

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<v Speaker 3>proud because we've got not so much to be proud of.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's make our country proud again by following the

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<v Speaker 3>right policies.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think the biggest obstacle to New Zealand's

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<v Speaker 2>success is?

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<v Speaker 3>Broadly speaking, it's in practical ideology. It is a lack

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<v Speaker 3>of common sense. When I see what Lequan you did,

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<v Speaker 3>with a country, an island country, the size of Lake

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<v Speaker 3>tarp or low resources. It is really the result of genius.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the time he was starting that out, we

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<v Speaker 3>were helping him with the offshore aid program called a

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<v Speaker 3>Columbo plan. Why do we lose sight of what we

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<v Speaker 3>were good at and why do we end up, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>instead of exporting milk formula baby formula at our top price,

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<v Speaker 3>we were exporting milk powder. See what's wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a lot of energy talk. What's your

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<v Speaker 2>plan New Zealand fiest plan for energy security going ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've got a transition period and we've got the resources,

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<v Speaker 3>but we need to understand as we transition to the

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<v Speaker 3>changed economy, we will need extraction to get there. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know Norway as a famous country for environmentalism and

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<v Speaker 3>for sound policies, they have significant extraction. So has Iceland.

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<v Speaker 3>So these Nordic countries leaving the world in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>environmental policy and sustainability have an extraction plan, which we

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<v Speaker 3>have in political parties being totally opposed, totally opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>frustrating in the extreme. There's no way we can deliver

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<v Speaker 3>what we're going forward to in the future unless we

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<v Speaker 3>do have extraction.

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<v Speaker 2>I just you mentioned made a comment that came out

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<v Speaker 2>of the intra islander could run for another twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we been distracted by headlines where they've had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of bad luck? Is there really now the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years in those vessels?

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<v Speaker 3>What are was saying to them? And it's more explained

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<v Speaker 3>in today's paper. I was saying, if they leave me

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<v Speaker 3>Zald go for another fifteen to twenty years, because they're

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<v Speaker 3>not useless in that context, but quality, en upgrade of

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<v Speaker 3>maintenance is required to keep them going. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>we were told that they were finished in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Now now we talked last three twenty nine. And my

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<v Speaker 3>argument is, how do you know that when you were

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<v Speaker 3>put to the test by international shipping experts, they will

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<v Speaker 3>tell you otherwise. And I've been told otherwise by shipping experts.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I deliberately didn't ask this question first

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<v Speaker 2>because you mentioned that probably lead the news at six o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>but do you love a good heckle?

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<v Speaker 3>Well what happened, and of course the media then started

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<v Speaker 3>running like nobody's business sone hunder of people there about

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<v Speaker 3>Scott ignored whilst they rushed out for a couple of protesters.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that typical?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they have a crack at you? Afterwards? Somebody mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>to me that they tried to sort of accost you

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened after the conference, Well, one try to cost me.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, we had an appointment. I mean, I've got

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<v Speaker 3>another meeting coming up and this interview now, And so

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<v Speaker 3>I said, have you made a point? No, Well what

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<v Speaker 3>makes you special? Everybody else is curious enough to bring

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<v Speaker 3>up and say can I see it? And we have

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<v Speaker 3>been famous for saying, yes, we see all sorts of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And on the question of Palestine, I have met the

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<v Speaker 3>Palestine in the governing parties. I have met the foreign

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<v Speaker 3>minister from Egypt, from Jordan and other parts of the country,

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<v Speaker 3>the Golf States and what have you. They have not

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<v Speaker 3>met anybody. And so it's arrogance to say that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't care. Of course we can. We've got five with

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<v Speaker 3>a record of doing then there one off protests, which,

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<v Speaker 3>as I say, they'll regard what they did. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>hard day's work.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, so you've obviously, I mean we've seen the images

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<v Speaker 2>of the conference and the party faithful and your your

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<v Speaker 2>MP's and ministers. So they'll have just loved the conference

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll have taken away probably a lot of detail.

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<v Speaker 2>But for the average punter, the average key we who

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<v Speaker 2>will read a bit about out on the news on

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<v Speaker 2>in the paper, what do you want them to take

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<v Speaker 2>out of the New Zealand First Conference.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a name putting in his Zealand and the

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<v Speaker 3>Landers First is back and stronger than ever and that

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<v Speaker 3>huge men to day when we couldn't find enough chairs

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<v Speaker 3>and people had been locked out because they've got rules

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<v Speaker 3>here to do with fire safety and what have you.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll be going away thinking well we'll be back to

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<v Speaker 3>Bay Party at least, and now we're to get much

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<v Speaker 3>more stronger support going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your next big challenge for the party.

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<v Speaker 3>To wrap up a serious year around the provinces and

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<v Speaker 3>all the way to Christmas and then, to tell you

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<v Speaker 3>the truth, you get ready for a decent break because

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't had one for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, Well, Winstone, I really instant Peters, I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your time this afternoon. Thank you very much, enjoyed the

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<v Speaker 2>risty day. By right we'll be taking we'll be taking

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<v Speaker 2>your feedback on that. I actually just want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>a really simple question for you, based on the check

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<v Speaker 2>now with Winston Peters. I watched quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>the interview, sorry that the interview his speech, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty blim and good when he's on his feet and

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<v Speaker 2>he's responding to Heckler's the reason I asked him if

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<v Speaker 2>he liked the Hecklers. He come up with that line

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as they got them out of the room.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, that's their idea of a good day's work,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did laugh out loud. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite funny, regardless of whether you agree with the protests

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<v Speaker 2>or not. But I just want to ask a really

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<v Speaker 2>simple question because it's based on probably my own experience

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<v Speaker 2>with Winston. He is something to me. You could say

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<v Speaker 2>he's a bit of a political chameleon. He would probably

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<v Speaker 2>say he's never changed. He's the same all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he was campaigning for the to be in

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<v Speaker 2>government during the election campaign, I don't like him very much,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't like a lot of his rhetoric, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got a bit bored with the having the crack

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<v Speaker 2>at the media, although you know, we all have our

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<v Speaker 2>own cracks at our own industry as well anyway, But

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<v Speaker 2>since he has been in government. I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>I like him. I'm impressed with him as our foreign minister,

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<v Speaker 2>as our deputy prime minister, and I'm not sure my

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<v Speaker 2>mind has been changed permanently, but I think Winston is

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<v Speaker 2>doing great job and probably out of the two coalition partners.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, actors certainly had some good moments as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would say Winston, New Zealand Fest Rock and Rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, they've had their negative side of things as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Casey Costello has been doing a particularly

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<v Speaker 2>flash job. That's probably an understatement. I think she's been

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely dreadful.

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