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Speaker 2: Got a good afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport, the Sunday

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Speaker 2: edition for April sixth. Happy twenty fourth birthday to Australian

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Speaker 2: McLaren Formula One driver Oscar pr Street who's going to

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Speaker 2: start third on the grid at the Japanese Grand Prix

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Speaker 2: later today on his birthday. I'm Jason Pineshow producer Any

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Speaker 2: McDonnell talking sport with you until three jam Pack show

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Speaker 2: as usual, motor Racing, first up, motor Racing Royalty, first

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Speaker 2: up F one legend. David Coultard MBE is with us

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Speaker 2: very shortly ahead of the Japanese Grand Prix later on today.

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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson will start thirdeenth on the grid. He's qualified

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Speaker 2: ahead of Yuki Sonoda who's fourteenth. That of course after

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Speaker 2: the car swap earlier this week, Max for stapp and

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Speaker 2: absolutely tearing it up and qualifying. The thoughts of David

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Speaker 2: Coulthard shortly and then yours. How do you reckon? Liam?

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Speaker 2: Will go? This afternoon five o'clock is the scheduled start

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Speaker 2: time for the Japanese Grand Prix. Other matters around today,

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Speaker 2: Mwana Pacific are the real deal.

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Speaker 3: Slader's head a good game onto Tyler, Oh my.

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Speaker 4: Goodness, the right's gone all the way to me see

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Speaker 3: Daylight straight through passport offenders and the number right dots down.

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Speaker 2: Back to back wins for the very first time Super

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Speaker 2: Rugby's entertainers half back Jonathan Tolmatin there is with us

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Speaker 2: after two and answer me this? Who is Auckland's favorite

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: When the Blues host Mawana pacifica next weekend at Eden Park,

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Speaker 2: who's going to have the most fans there? The Blues, meantime,

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Speaker 2: keep the season alive. Last night with victory over the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 6: Christy asking if at time and guess guardness whose it is?

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Speaker 2: He kicked it over the touch and a blue hang

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Speaker 2: on by one the Crusaders beat the drwer to move second.

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Speaker 4: By James o'conda.

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Speaker 7: There is the full time whistle and to the first

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Speaker 2: Fiji and the Highlanders losing Street continued jame over.

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Speaker 8: They have won two and lost five have the Highlanders

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty five and it's another excruciating loss twenty

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Speaker 2: The Force are fourth, fourth fourth, goodness may All four

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Speaker 2: Australian sides meantime are still in the top six at

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Speaker 2: the midway point of the season. Lots to chew over

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Speaker 2: with Super Rugby. The black Caps, meantime starting to build

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Speaker 2: some next generation depth and new look side, sweeping Pakistan

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Speaker 2: after one. Is this depth actually real? Are we actually

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Speaker 2: developing a really good next generation of talents? Paceballer Ben

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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson has outqualified stable mate Yuki Sonoda fit's an

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Speaker 2: it's Formula one Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka.

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Speaker 9: This is a better showing from Lawson, who would dearly

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Speaker 9: at the expense of the Red Bull of Yuki Sonoda,

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Speaker 2: Race here so Lawson and Sonoda will start thirteenth and

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Speaker 2: the decision to swap the two drivers. Liam Lawson's best

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Speaker 2: It is a huge pleasure to welcome Formula One Royalty

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Speaker 2: to Weekend Sport. David Coultard MBE competed in Formula One

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Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety four to two thousand and eight with

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Speaker 2: Williams then McLaren and Latteralie red Ball. He was runner

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Speaker 2: across fifteen seasons. He is now a highly respected F

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Speaker 2: one commentator and Red Ball ambassador and he joins us now. David,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time to join

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Speaker 2: us on weekend sport here across New Zealand. Can we

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Speaker 2: start with Max Verstappin and that incredible qualifying leap yeast

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Speaker 4: I think his senses are on such a high level

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Speaker 4: they're all extreme talents. But in any elite sport you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think the way McLaren are able to top

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Speaker 2: Wellllam Lawson, of course, Amen, I know you've been following

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Speaker 4: with data. And that data is called the stopwatch, and

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Speaker 4: that stopwatch doesn't lie. So I think Liam can feel good.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a talent. I think he, you know,

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Speaker 2: What about Yuki Sonoda, David, He's qualified fifteenth. That car

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Speaker 4: You know, Max is a generational talent and for UK

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Speaker 2: They'd be twelve thirty two or eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 11: you sandwich between Sonoda and Alonso, it'll be a great race.

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Speaker 11: And where he actually stacks stacks up, that's going to

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Speaker 11: be interesting for sure.

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Speaker 2: What's your guard on Itt, Glenn? In terms of I mean,

432
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Speaker 2: I hope we avoid that as well. I hope that

433
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Speaker 2: he stays in the race the whole time. Look what

434
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Speaker 2: would be successful for him today getting in the top ten,

435
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Speaker 2: picking up some points for racing bulls.

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Speaker 11: I would like to think getting in that top team.

437
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Speaker 11: I think if there is a little bit of little

438
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Speaker 11: bit of moisture out there, it's gonna going to help

439
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Speaker 11: him a lot. But I think finishing the race ahead

440
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Speaker 11: of where he started is going to It's really just

441
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Speaker 11: got to be that that first thing that he needs

442
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Speaker 11: to aim for, maybe leveraging those those pet strategies a

443
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Speaker 11: little bit better than they have in the past. But

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Speaker 11: you know, he's you think about this year, how many

445
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Speaker 11: times have ye actually started on fat straight?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I don't think he versus Alonso.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 11: Coming into this it's going to be coming into this

450
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Speaker 11: this this is his first actual proper race race part.

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Speaker 11: And then if we think about Sonoda, you know Efty one,

452
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Speaker 11: two and three, he was within one or two tenths

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Speaker 11: of Max, you know, virtually every single one of those

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Speaker 11: sessions and while he finished behind Limb, and the lap

455
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Speaker 11: that matters it is a single flying lap where he

456
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Speaker 11: probably let himself down in regards to the tire prep

457
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Speaker 11: leading into that. So is that actually a real reflection

458
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Speaker 11: of where he stacks up as the number two driver

459
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Speaker 11: in Red Ball. It broke my heart to see that

460
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Speaker 11: happened to Liam, but I'm also in that camp where

461
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Speaker 11: I didn't want to see it happen. But I think

462
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Speaker 11: it may be the better thing for him long term,

463
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Speaker 11: where he can prove himself as that real solid driver

464
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Speaker 11: in a Racing Bulls car that's easier to drive, that

465
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Speaker 11: they can get ahead of head on a consistent basis.

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Speaker 11: The seasure might not be with Red Bull, but he

467
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Speaker 11: could have a great, great career in any one of

468
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Speaker 11: those other teams like Elban, Mike Gasley.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean being in one of the twenty seats

470
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Speaker 2: straight away. I know he's aiming higher than that, But

471
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Speaker 2: you're so rightly, and you know he could well have

472
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Speaker 2: a future outside of the of the Red Bull operation.

473
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Speaker 2: I don't think we were going to get the chance

474
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Speaker 2: to see it because I can't see a time when

475
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Speaker 2: Yuki Sonoda and Liam Lawson are actually in the same car,

476
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Speaker 2: either with Red Bull or Racing Balls. But that's the

477
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Speaker 2: only way really defied out who's the better driver across

478
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Speaker 2: a number of races, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And.

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Speaker 11: Even even if Sonoda's with Red Ball next year, it's

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Speaker 11: up to debate. There's the whole. He's only a hond

482
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Speaker 11: the driver piece that's going around. But hey, if Snoda

483
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Speaker 11: and I won't say match, but stay within two or

484
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Speaker 11: three tenths, get that constructive championship fight really going up

485
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Speaker 11: the top there, and they're in the top one or

486
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Speaker 11: two positions in Ferrari and McLaren and Mercedes are with

487
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Speaker 11: them as well rather than that distant third, then you know,

488
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Speaker 11: Sonoda might be that long term number two driver no

489
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Speaker 11: matter what money and really throws behind him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just had a quick check. Pariz was in that

492
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Speaker 2: seat for four years. I didn't think it was that long.

493
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Speaker 2: So he actually lost Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah,

494
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Speaker 2: but he lasted longer than you know. I think a

495
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Speaker 2: lot of people in hindsight anyway, we think that he

496
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Speaker 2: would have given all the problems they had last year

497
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Speaker 2: and have had at the start of this year.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting his comments saying that yeah, they've never they've never

500
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Speaker 2: solved the number two seat there.

501
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Speaker 11: Yeah, But like I think Liam has got a massive future.

502
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Speaker 11: But I think David Coulthard really nailed it when he

503
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Speaker 11: talked about the maturity thing. When you think about Yuki

504
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Speaker 11: Sonoda two or three years ago, real hot head, losing

505
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Speaker 11: his call, blaming things that were you know, throwing other

506
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Speaker 11: things under the bus, not taking accountability for the car,

507
00:27:48,747 --> 00:27:51,627
Speaker 11: all of those things that comes with a lack of

508
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Speaker 11: maturity where you're probably a little bit fearful, a little

509
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Speaker 11: bit trying to protect your seats, so to speak. And

510
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Speaker 11: then I look at Liam. He's so he's been so

511
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Speaker 11: excited about the opportunity, has been really open about the

512
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Speaker 11: emotional role of coaster that he's been on as media training.

513
00:28:13,507 --> 00:28:16,467
Speaker 11: Is probably lacking a little in that, and that comes

514
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Speaker 11: through like massively around that that maturity thing, you know,

515
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Speaker 11: time and the seat time in formula one, the ability

516
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Speaker 11: to give those succinct answers not filled with emotion or

517
00:28:30,067 --> 00:28:32,267
Speaker 11: the ums in the RS that he tends to throw

518
00:28:32,347 --> 00:28:36,627
Speaker 11: in there, which I know, you know, who's who's going

519
00:28:36,707 --> 00:28:39,387
Speaker 11: to be claiming worried about all the ums and the

520
00:28:39,547 --> 00:28:41,907
Speaker 11: rs if you're at the top of your career in

521
00:28:42,267 --> 00:28:44,347
Speaker 11: the in the you know, the pinnacle of sport. But

522
00:28:45,507 --> 00:28:49,467
Speaker 11: it's just another little indication of how comfortable you are

523
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Speaker 11: in that environment. And the more he has to think

524
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Speaker 11: and the more he does the ms in the RS,

525
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Speaker 11: I think there is going to be that perception that

526
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Speaker 11: he is still that rookie mentality and he's not quite

527
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Speaker 11: there yet.

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Speaker 2: Great obsolution, Glen, or right, pick us finishing position then,

529
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Speaker 2: Liam tonight. I know this is fraught with difficulty, this question,

530
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Speaker 2: but what do you reckon if.

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Speaker 11: He has a good start and I would like to

532
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Speaker 11: think that he'll have a good start and get ahead

533
00:29:19,907 --> 00:29:22,707
Speaker 11: of Alonzo, I think you'll pick up another couple of

534
00:29:22,747 --> 00:29:24,347
Speaker 11: splaces and he'll be eleventh or twelve.

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Speaker 2: Good man, Glenn. A lot of chatting to you, mate,

536
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Speaker 2: Please call back anytime we're talking if one of enjoyed

537
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Speaker 2: chatting to you. Thanks mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty

538
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Speaker 2: ten eighty ninety nine two one text. Here's Liam loss

539
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Speaker 2: Awson after his qualifying yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It was okay.

541
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Speaker 13: I think a disappointing ends. To be honest, I think

542
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Speaker 13: we had a competitive car yesterday, had a good sort

543
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Speaker 13: of Q one and we were trying to chase the

544
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Speaker 13: balance through through Quali and it got to a point

545
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Speaker 13: in Q two where, to be honest, we couldn't really

546
00:29:53,987 --> 00:29:57,307
Speaker 13: shoot it much more, and yeah, unfortunately we just sort

547
00:29:57,307 --> 00:29:59,227
Speaker 13: of had a wall of it. He struggled in that

548
00:29:59,427 --> 00:30:03,627
Speaker 13: run too. Honestly, it felt like a good laugh. So

549
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Speaker 13: it's something we'll obviously review.

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Speaker 4: Fights. Yeah, that's it.

551
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Speaker 2: What's your thinking for the race tomorrow?

552
00:30:12,187 --> 00:30:14,827
Speaker 4: There might be some raine, yeah, I.

553
00:30:14,867 --> 00:30:19,187
Speaker 13: Mean obviously that'll change everything really, but a large opportunity

554
00:30:19,907 --> 00:30:23,787
Speaker 13: for us to hopefully move forward fights. Yeah, around this

555
00:30:23,867 --> 00:30:26,507
Speaker 13: place and we've seen in the past it's it's quite eventful.

556
00:30:27,347 --> 00:30:29,147
Speaker 13: The new surface will be quite different as well to

557
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Speaker 13: drive in the rain. It will probably hold a bit

558
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Speaker 13: more water. But from where I'm starting, I wouldn't mind.

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Speaker 2: It rain there, Liam Lawson, Yeah, easy to move up,

560
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Speaker 2: I guess when it's raining, although it was torrential rain

561
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne which didn't help of course. Interesting to go

562
00:30:45,867 --> 00:30:48,587
Speaker 2: back to what David Coulthard said and what Glenn alluded

563
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Speaker 2: to about how you need time in the seat, you

564
00:30:51,707 --> 00:30:53,547
Speaker 2: need time, you need time. That was the one thing

565
00:30:53,907 --> 00:30:56,587
Speaker 2: he wasn't given, certainly not the Red Bull team anyway.

566
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Speaker 2: But he has been given time now in the racing

567
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Speaker 2: Balls car, so as he builds his experience, you know,

568
00:31:06,027 --> 00:31:09,827
Speaker 2: I feel like in hindsight, when he looks back, maybe

569
00:31:09,907 --> 00:31:13,627
Speaker 2: it's it's got a silver lining. Maybe it's I was

570
00:31:13,627 --> 00:31:15,907
Speaker 2: gonna say, the best thing that could have happened. Maybe

571
00:31:15,987 --> 00:31:20,427
Speaker 2: it's not all bad. Nineteen away from one. A couple

572
00:31:20,467 --> 00:31:22,907
Speaker 2: on text here. I think there's too much emphasis on

573
00:31:23,027 --> 00:31:26,787
Speaker 2: the Yuki. The Liam discussion, says Ian. Liam's made if

574
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Speaker 2: one enjoy it. His only job this season is to

575
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Speaker 2: accumulate points and end the season as the number one

576
00:31:33,347 --> 00:31:36,427
Speaker 2: racing balls driver. Thanks Ny, appreciate it. Richie says Jason

577
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Speaker 2: Yuki has never ever been a better driver than Liam.

578
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Speaker 2: From day one, Liam spanned him every step of the way.

579
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Speaker 2: We'll see more of the same. It's hope, so, Richie.

580
00:31:44,507 --> 00:31:47,347
Speaker 2: Let's hope so, and Simon says great interview with David

581
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Speaker 2: Coultar Waddle legend Liam alongside Yuki on the grid from

582
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Speaker 2: lights out until after turn one. I will not be

583
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Speaker 2: breathing so excited for the race. Go Liam, Good on

584
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Speaker 2: your Simon. Great to hear from you, mate. Nineteen to one.

585
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Speaker 2: We're back with more of your calls after this Mark

586
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Speaker 2: with you next here on newstalksb.

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Speaker 1: Don't Get Caught off side eighty Wends with Jason Payne

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks.

589
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Speaker 2: And News Talks sixteen to one. Michael asks question what happens.

590
00:32:17,867 --> 00:32:20,027
Speaker 2: If Liam Lawson is ahead of Sonoda by more than

591
00:32:20,027 --> 00:32:22,867
Speaker 2: a couple of cars, would red Ball Paul Rank on

592
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Speaker 2: racing balls and send Lawson into the pits for a

593
00:32:26,787 --> 00:32:30,187
Speaker 2: in inverted commas mechanical issue to save face. I wouldn't

594
00:32:30,187 --> 00:32:31,827
Speaker 2: put it past them. I'm not sure they can do it.

595
00:32:31,907 --> 00:32:35,427
Speaker 2: Can they read ball and racing balls? Are I get

596
00:32:35,467 --> 00:32:38,227
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Michael. They're autonomous of one another, aren't they.

597
00:32:38,227 --> 00:32:40,467
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that red Bull can Paul Rank over

598
00:32:40,587 --> 00:32:43,547
Speaker 2: racing balls, although nothing would surprise me in the world

599
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Speaker 2: of Formula one.

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Speaker 10: Get a mark, Hey Piney, Yeah, I hope it rain

601
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Speaker 10: does rain, because then they won't have those spires of

602
00:32:50,547 --> 00:32:51,067
Speaker 10: the grass.

603
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Speaker 2: How on earth have they not dampened down that grass?

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Speaker 10: I don't know. And it just blows your mind that

605
00:32:59,947 --> 00:33:02,987
Speaker 10: it's something a sporting events, since what's both so many

606
00:33:03,067 --> 00:33:07,067
Speaker 10: people and sudden raced and practiced stopped by ass burning

607
00:33:07,187 --> 00:33:13,587
Speaker 10: you know, yeah, yesterday, I mean there was the obviously

608
00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:17,067
Speaker 10: the lem Law's and Saluda battle, but I mean the

609
00:33:17,147 --> 00:33:20,187
Speaker 10: stuff and just dominated. I think he just blew everyone away.

610
00:33:20,267 --> 00:33:22,827
Speaker 10: He blew the commentators away. I think he blew the

611
00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:25,427
Speaker 10: other drivers away. You know, and Norris was standing up

612
00:33:25,467 --> 00:33:28,947
Speaker 10: there on the going they just they just couldn't believe

613
00:33:29,027 --> 00:33:31,227
Speaker 10: how he drove that card to pole position, and it

614
00:33:31,387 --> 00:33:34,987
Speaker 10: was just incredible to watch. And the distance between him

615
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Speaker 10: and the rest of the drivers is just, you know,

616
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Speaker 10: it's quite a chasm. I think the rest of the

617
00:33:41,107 --> 00:33:43,867
Speaker 10: drivers in F one are all relatively similar to but

618
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Speaker 10: you know, he just has the ability to be able

619
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Speaker 10: to obviously drive a bit of a dog of a

620
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Speaker 10: car to pole position. I mean, it's it's quite miraculous

621
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Speaker 10: to me watching it. And I guess Red Bull aren't,

622
00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:57,587
Speaker 10: like I think I said last week, they're not really

623
00:33:57,667 --> 00:34:00,707
Speaker 10: that concerned with the second driver. I think they're focus

624
00:34:00,867 --> 00:34:02,947
Speaker 10: as they know they've got to keep Maxtra stuff and

625
00:34:03,147 --> 00:34:08,107
Speaker 10: at Red Bull because if he leaves, that's screwed. And

626
00:34:08,227 --> 00:34:11,387
Speaker 10: I think going into next year is obviously going to

627
00:34:11,427 --> 00:34:14,227
Speaker 10: be some huge changes and drivers and cars. I think

628
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Speaker 10: Liam just has to concentrate on going out there, you know,

629
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Speaker 10: getting the experience and making himself marketable because I mean,

630
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Speaker 10: who knows what Red Bull will do. They might get

631
00:34:24,387 --> 00:34:25,907
Speaker 10: rid of him, you know, at the end of the

632
00:34:25,987 --> 00:34:28,067
Speaker 10: year and promote a younger driver through you don't know,

633
00:34:28,187 --> 00:34:31,147
Speaker 10: but he's going to make himself get to the point

634
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Speaker 10: where he's a reliable, consistent driver performing above what would

635
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Speaker 10: they expect, getting in the points and getting their drive

636
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Speaker 10: for next year. That's going to be his focus. And

637
00:34:41,987 --> 00:34:44,107
Speaker 10: I think he needs to forget all the drama that

638
00:34:44,547 --> 00:34:47,307
Speaker 10: red Ball will put him through in Sonoda, you know,

639
00:34:47,427 --> 00:34:50,867
Speaker 10: because it's just going to focus on his career because

640
00:34:50,907 --> 00:34:53,587
Speaker 10: there's a lot of drivers, you know, who are in

641
00:34:53,707 --> 00:34:56,387
Speaker 10: Formula One and they're coming through all the time. Who

642
00:34:57,187 --> 00:34:59,427
Speaker 10: he's competing for for that spot next year.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look it's it's it's the staff and plus one.

644
00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:06,267
Speaker 2: That's what it is. You're so right, Mark, And look,

645
00:35:06,347 --> 00:35:08,947
Speaker 2: he's been there since twenty sixteen, I think he came

646
00:35:08,987 --> 00:35:10,667
Speaker 2: into the team, so it's a long time at the

647
00:35:10,707 --> 00:35:14,347
Speaker 2: same and the same team. But he is absolutely magnificent.

648
00:35:14,387 --> 00:35:17,027
Speaker 2: I've heard sort of, you know, rumor here and there

649
00:35:17,067 --> 00:35:18,987
Speaker 2: that he might be moving away from red Ball. I'm

650
00:35:18,987 --> 00:35:20,547
Speaker 2: not sure what the state of his contract is and

651
00:35:20,627 --> 00:35:24,307
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, but yeah, it's the team is

652
00:35:24,307 --> 00:35:27,747
Speaker 2: built around him and in as Sergio Pierre has said

653
00:35:27,747 --> 00:35:29,947
Speaker 2: in the in the interview i'd read with him this morning,

654
00:35:30,347 --> 00:35:33,267
Speaker 2: it's it's not the easiest place to be. Everybody wants

655
00:35:33,267 --> 00:35:35,707
Speaker 2: to be in one of those seats, but numbers of it,

656
00:35:36,027 --> 00:35:38,427
Speaker 2: red Ball's a pretty challenging place by the sounds of it.

657
00:35:39,547 --> 00:35:41,667
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I just wanted to say quickly on the

658
00:35:42,027 --> 00:35:44,867
Speaker 10: Super Rugby last night, the Blues are quite lucky to

659
00:35:44,947 --> 00:35:48,827
Speaker 10: have both and beared I think, because I think without

660
00:35:48,987 --> 00:35:52,907
Speaker 10: that team is sort of ruddleless really. And yeah, it's

661
00:35:53,027 --> 00:35:55,547
Speaker 10: quite interesting to form this year and some of I

662
00:35:55,627 --> 00:35:58,587
Speaker 10: think Fiji and drew it to me which team is.

663
00:35:58,827 --> 00:36:01,547
Speaker 10: People haven't sort of commented, but they've been quite disappointing

664
00:36:01,627 --> 00:36:04,147
Speaker 10: this year after last year. I thought that'd really kick on.

665
00:36:05,027 --> 00:36:07,707
Speaker 10: I thought that'd really kick on year, and you know

666
00:36:07,827 --> 00:36:11,267
Speaker 10: they've lost their home advantage. I mean the Crusaders pretty

667
00:36:11,347 --> 00:36:13,667
Speaker 10: much whipped them yesterday and yeah, I think that quite

668
00:36:13,707 --> 00:36:15,787
Speaker 10: a disappointing along with the Blue is probably the two

669
00:36:15,827 --> 00:36:17,427
Speaker 10: most disappointing teams this year.

670
00:36:17,587 --> 00:36:19,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, a great mark, good to chat mate. We look

671
00:36:19,947 --> 00:36:21,667
Speaker 2: forward to seeing Ellie and Laws and guys a bit

672
00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:24,467
Speaker 2: later on. Here is Max the stepping after his qualifying

673
00:36:24,507 --> 00:36:27,147
Speaker 2: leap yesterday which was a track record.

674
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Speaker 14: Very happy. I mean, the whole weekend for US has

675
00:36:29,947 --> 00:36:32,347
Speaker 14: been quite a struggle. We kept on changing the car

676
00:36:32,427 --> 00:36:35,747
Speaker 14: actually quite a lot, and even in could find it

677
00:36:35,907 --> 00:36:38,427
Speaker 14: just took a long time to still feel quite satisfied

678
00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:41,587
Speaker 14: with the car. The final run was a bit better,

679
00:36:42,387 --> 00:36:44,307
Speaker 14: but I think it was also just knowing your limitations

680
00:36:44,387 --> 00:36:46,027
Speaker 14: and trying to adapt to it and then try to

681
00:36:46,107 --> 00:36:48,307
Speaker 14: make the best of it. So yeah, the last I

682
00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:52,547
Speaker 14: was very committed, no clear obvious mistakes, which I think

683
00:36:53,107 --> 00:36:55,427
Speaker 14: helps to put the lap in.

684
00:36:55,587 --> 00:36:57,707
Speaker 2: And yeah, of course, very happy for everyone.

685
00:36:57,747 --> 00:36:59,627
Speaker 14: I mean, the team is working flat out and you

686
00:36:59,707 --> 00:37:02,627
Speaker 14: know they're really giving it everything, you know, to understand

687
00:37:02,627 --> 00:37:03,147
Speaker 14: the car better.

688
00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:06,267
Speaker 2: So for us this is a great result. Let's make

689
00:37:06,507 --> 00:37:09,547
Speaker 2: for stepping. They're very understated, as per usual. Gary asks,

690
00:37:09,747 --> 00:37:13,147
Speaker 2: can you please advise when the race will officially start tonight?

691
00:37:13,267 --> 00:37:13,427
Speaker 10: Yeah?

692
00:37:13,467 --> 00:37:16,907
Speaker 2: Will five o'clock. They're or thereabouts. It's one of those

693
00:37:16,947 --> 00:37:20,907
Speaker 2: where they sort of aim for five o'clock, I think, Gary,

694
00:37:21,027 --> 00:37:23,867
Speaker 2: so yeah, in and around five o'clock is race start.

695
00:37:24,787 --> 00:37:26,467
Speaker 2: You can bet at the tab. I've been told by

696
00:37:26,467 --> 00:37:29,827
Speaker 2: a number of people on a specific bet for Liam

697
00:37:29,907 --> 00:37:32,787
Speaker 2: Lawson to finish higher than Yuki Sonoda, and he was

698
00:37:32,867 --> 00:37:35,707
Speaker 2: checking out the odds before. What was the latest odds

699
00:37:35,827 --> 00:37:39,467
Speaker 2: was Liam favorite? To he was two dollars thirty not

700
00:37:39,627 --> 00:37:43,067
Speaker 2: favorite to finish ahead, So one fifty five for Yuki

701
00:37:43,627 --> 00:37:46,467
Speaker 2: and two dollars what thirty two thirty, So it's almost

702
00:37:46,507 --> 00:37:50,827
Speaker 2: like a head to head who finishes first. I want

703
00:37:50,867 --> 00:37:53,227
Speaker 2: to see Liam succeed says this one. But he was

704
00:37:53,347 --> 00:37:56,867
Speaker 2: definitely lucky to get into Q two. It was only

705
00:37:56,907 --> 00:38:01,267
Speaker 2: a few tenths of a second ahead of the next driver.

706
00:38:01,387 --> 00:38:04,307
Speaker 2: Then in Q two it was Yuki having a poor

707
00:38:04,427 --> 00:38:06,587
Speaker 2: lap rather than Liam's performance. They put him in front.

708
00:38:06,907 --> 00:38:09,427
Speaker 2: His main competition is really now hadjar and had just

709
00:38:09,587 --> 00:38:12,867
Speaker 2: been significantly outperforming him in qualifying. Still early days, but

710
00:38:13,067 --> 00:38:14,987
Speaker 2: Liam needs to find a bit more pace.

711
00:38:15,307 --> 00:38:19,907
Speaker 15: Hello Lee, Hey there. I think people don't realize that

712
00:38:20,467 --> 00:38:25,907
Speaker 15: to staff in winning and becoming world champions great, but

713
00:38:26,027 --> 00:38:28,347
Speaker 15: there's a massive difference where you end up in the

714
00:38:28,387 --> 00:38:32,667
Speaker 15: Constructor's Championship. I mean first prize one hundred and sixty one,

715
00:38:32,747 --> 00:38:35,387
Speaker 15: but then next down one fifty one, next down one

716
00:38:35,467 --> 00:38:38,787
Speaker 15: forty million, next one one thirty million, So between fourth

717
00:38:38,867 --> 00:38:43,547
Speaker 15: and first is forty million bucks. So they are really

718
00:38:43,667 --> 00:38:46,587
Speaker 15: really got to concentrate on getting our number two driver

719
00:38:46,747 --> 00:38:48,907
Speaker 15: to get them up to that to win the championship.

720
00:38:49,507 --> 00:38:52,747
Speaker 2: How come they haven't been able to lee. Is it

721
00:38:52,907 --> 00:38:56,627
Speaker 2: just the balancing act of having a genius but also

722
00:38:56,707 --> 00:38:58,907
Speaker 2: trying to find a partial genius.

723
00:39:00,107 --> 00:39:03,107
Speaker 15: I think that's where it's at. That they've been playing

724
00:39:03,147 --> 00:39:05,507
Speaker 15: around with Sonoda's car to try and give him a

725
00:39:05,547 --> 00:39:09,387
Speaker 15: car he wants to drive. Usually what happens when they

726
00:39:09,467 --> 00:39:11,907
Speaker 15: stuff and crashed the car and he's in line for

727
00:39:11,987 --> 00:39:14,027
Speaker 15: the World Championship, they'd put it straight in the second

728
00:39:14,107 --> 00:39:16,547
Speaker 15: cart and it doesn't help them. It's set up typically different.

729
00:39:17,147 --> 00:39:20,947
Speaker 15: But no, the Constructor's Championship is what they're after because

730
00:39:20,987 --> 00:39:24,267
Speaker 15: that's all picking order in the pit straight, you know,

731
00:39:24,347 --> 00:39:26,147
Speaker 15: it's boasting orders and all that sort of thing, and

732
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Speaker 15: there's a lot of money between first and fourth.

733
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Speaker 2: I just can't. I just can't see how they can

734
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Speaker 2: how they can do it. I just can't don't see

735
00:39:34,227 --> 00:39:36,867
Speaker 2: how they can beat McLaren with the way the landscape

736
00:39:36,947 --> 00:39:37,427
Speaker 2: is at the moment.

737
00:39:38,987 --> 00:39:43,547
Speaker 15: This year, next year, new car, new engine, so they're

738
00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:45,547
Speaker 15: going to have to really have and they're missing they

739
00:39:45,627 --> 00:39:49,467
Speaker 15: guy in Newie. But hopefully they've got some thoughts sorted

740
00:39:49,507 --> 00:39:51,147
Speaker 15: out about who they're going to get to design their

741
00:39:51,187 --> 00:39:53,467
Speaker 15: car for next year, because it's all on next year

742
00:39:53,507 --> 00:39:55,627
Speaker 15: with all the big changes, that's the change.

743
00:39:55,787 --> 00:39:58,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, so does the step and definitely stay at red

744
00:39:58,307 --> 00:40:00,187
Speaker 2: Ball next year. Is that you're understanding.

745
00:40:01,667 --> 00:40:07,787
Speaker 15: He's contracted too, but you know as in the e PL,

746
00:40:07,907 --> 00:40:09,987
Speaker 15: you know what happened to I do.

747
00:40:10,187 --> 00:40:13,187
Speaker 2: Your contracts can be broken on occasion. Good stuff legod

748
00:40:13,227 --> 00:40:15,747
Speaker 2: inside thanks indeed eight away from one used talks it be.

749
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Speaker 1: Let's scoop from the track, fields and the court on

750
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Speaker 1: your home of sort weekend Sport with Jason lyne Us

751
00:40:24,107 --> 00:40:24,627
Speaker 1: talks in B.

752
00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:26,747
Speaker 2: Four and a half to one. So Liam Lawson will

753
00:40:26,747 --> 00:40:30,027
Speaker 2: start thirteenth on the grid. Yuki Sonoda fourteenth. Here's Yuki

754
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Speaker 2: Sonoda after qualifying yesterday.

755
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Speaker 16: I think the warm up didn't didn't go as I wanted. Yeah,

756
00:40:38,747 --> 00:40:42,587
Speaker 16: I felt I mean still learning. Yeah, the warm out

757
00:40:42,627 --> 00:40:45,027
Speaker 16: how I ended up was the thought was okay, I know,

758
00:40:45,107 --> 00:40:47,787
Speaker 16: I knew it's gonna knew maybe a little bit compromised

759
00:40:47,787 --> 00:40:52,987
Speaker 16: by the penalty was pretty big. Yeah, shame that I

760
00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:55,867
Speaker 16: be able to accept the performance from the car. I

761
00:40:55,907 --> 00:40:58,907
Speaker 16: think they're looking from Q one and everything. So just

762
00:40:58,947 --> 00:41:03,307
Speaker 16: felt that overall worse and wars throughout. So yeah, very shame.

763
00:41:03,547 --> 00:41:06,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, downcast. Yuki Sonoda after qualifying years today day, so

764
00:41:07,027 --> 00:41:10,907
Speaker 2: five o'clock this afternoon or thereabouts is when the it's

765
00:41:10,987 --> 00:41:13,787
Speaker 2: lights out, as they say at the Japanese Grand Prix,

766
00:41:14,267 --> 00:41:17,507
Speaker 2: and away they'll go. Another fascinating storyline set to be

767
00:41:17,547 --> 00:41:20,547
Speaker 2: written in the Formula One season and we're only in

768
00:41:20,707 --> 00:41:23,307
Speaker 2: to Race three, three and a half away from one.

769
00:41:23,387 --> 00:41:24,907
Speaker 2: After the one o'clock news is going to shift our

770
00:41:24,947 --> 00:41:28,587
Speaker 2: attention to cricket and the depth that is being built

771
00:41:28,707 --> 00:41:31,627
Speaker 2: in New Zealand cricket. A bunch of players now playing

772
00:41:31,667 --> 00:41:34,787
Speaker 2: international cricket under the age of thirty. Paul Weiseman on

773
00:41:34,907 --> 00:41:35,547
Speaker 2: that after.

774
00:41:35,427 --> 00:41:39,987
Speaker 1: One the only place to discuss the biggest spoors issues

775
00:41:40,147 --> 00:41:43,987
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on Weekend Sport with

776
00:41:44,227 --> 00:41:48,827
Speaker 1: Jason paid on your home of Sport US talks.

777
00:41:49,587 --> 00:41:52,867
Speaker 2: Hello there, this is Weekend Sport on Sunday seven past one.

778
00:41:52,867 --> 00:41:55,387
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine and McDonald through the glass. We're until

779
00:41:55,467 --> 00:42:00,147
Speaker 2: three cricket shortly and the depth we're building in our

780
00:42:00,227 --> 00:42:04,987
Speaker 2: international sides red and white ball. Paul Weiseman on the show,

781
00:42:05,147 --> 00:42:09,987
Speaker 2: former identification manager with New Zealand Crickets, still involved as

782
00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:11,987
Speaker 2: a high performance coach. What does he make of the

783
00:42:12,347 --> 00:42:14,227
Speaker 2: depth that is building and is there more to come?

784
00:42:14,307 --> 00:42:17,107
Speaker 2: And how do you know if a guy can make

785
00:42:17,147 --> 00:42:21,267
Speaker 2: the step up from domestic cricket to international cricket. James

786
00:42:21,347 --> 00:42:24,067
Speaker 2: mcconey this hour as well. Don't forget, I say, I

787
00:42:24,067 --> 00:42:26,267
Speaker 2: don't forget. Don't worry. I know there was some worry

788
00:42:26,347 --> 00:42:28,387
Speaker 2: that I haven't got to the Super Rugby yet, and

789
00:42:28,387 --> 00:42:32,027
Speaker 2: I think there was a suggestion that the Hurricanes lost

790
00:42:32,067 --> 00:42:33,667
Speaker 2: to the Blues might be the reason for that. Not

791
00:42:33,787 --> 00:42:36,947
Speaker 2: at all, No, I'm not avoiding Super Rugby at all.

792
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:39,667
Speaker 2: I was very impressed with Mowana Pacifica. I have to

793
00:42:39,667 --> 00:42:41,227
Speaker 2: say when I left he yesterday would have been half

794
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:44,227
Speaker 2: time probably they were twenty one seven down when I

795
00:42:44,307 --> 00:42:47,427
Speaker 2: left the building yesterday are and three o'clock. I had

796
00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:48,827
Speaker 2: to get to the football, so I was sort of

797
00:42:49,147 --> 00:42:51,547
Speaker 2: absorbed in that, and then I checked the score and

798
00:42:51,667 --> 00:42:54,147
Speaker 2: I thought, what's gone on here? So I had a

799
00:42:54,187 --> 00:42:55,787
Speaker 2: big bit of a look back at the game and

800
00:42:55,987 --> 00:42:59,147
Speaker 2: was most impressed, as I'm sure you were, with my

801
00:42:59,227 --> 00:43:03,587
Speaker 2: Wanda Pacific as second half performance. Jonathan Domatina, their halfback,

802
00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:05,747
Speaker 2: is with us after two o'clock. A couple of final

803
00:43:06,107 --> 00:43:09,067
Speaker 2: tech to mop up on Formula one before we move

804
00:43:09,667 --> 00:43:11,707
Speaker 2: you heard from Glenn if you were listening last hour

805
00:43:11,747 --> 00:43:14,827
Speaker 2: one of our talkback callers. He knew a lot and

806
00:43:14,907 --> 00:43:17,147
Speaker 2: he's just sending at test. Glenn here again finding just

807
00:43:17,147 --> 00:43:20,427
Speaker 2: a couple of additional points. If there isn't a lot

808
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:22,347
Speaker 2: of rain ahead of the race, there could be some

809
00:43:22,427 --> 00:43:25,827
Speaker 2: big upsets and gains, with the mid to lower tier

810
00:43:25,947 --> 00:43:29,907
Speaker 2: teams making massive gains. The nothing to lose strategy of

811
00:43:29,987 --> 00:43:34,747
Speaker 2: starting on sorts for quick positional gains, an early stop

812
00:43:34,827 --> 00:43:37,107
Speaker 2: to mediums and then use of the red flags for

813
00:43:37,227 --> 00:43:39,867
Speaker 2: grass fires for swapping tires and the pits still allowed

814
00:43:39,907 --> 00:43:42,507
Speaker 2: under the existing regulation, so the early compulsory stop could

815
00:43:42,507 --> 00:43:47,107
Speaker 2: allow for better tires and strategic positional gains if other

816
00:43:47,227 --> 00:43:50,707
Speaker 2: teams still have to make compulsory stops when not under

817
00:43:50,787 --> 00:43:53,947
Speaker 2: red or yellow flag conditions, and says Glenn, my dream

818
00:43:53,987 --> 00:43:57,627
Speaker 2: start for Liam Sonoda tactically chooses hard tires for a

819
00:43:57,707 --> 00:44:01,587
Speaker 2: longer first stint Liam on mediums so he can break

820
00:44:01,787 --> 00:44:05,947
Speaker 2: later into the turn and baits Sonoda into breaking way

821
00:44:05,987 --> 00:44:08,587
Speaker 2: too long. Eight, let some screen through on the inside

822
00:44:08,627 --> 00:44:11,907
Speaker 2: of turn one and take out Alonzo after he locks up,

823
00:44:12,267 --> 00:44:14,707
Speaker 2: Liam then just squeezes underneath the chaos and now thows

824
00:44:14,747 --> 00:44:17,387
Speaker 2: out the rest of the race. Glen, I don't mind it,

825
00:44:17,947 --> 00:44:22,227
Speaker 2: thanks for your insight. And from Graham Lawson eighth, SONODA twelfth,

826
00:44:23,107 --> 00:44:27,067
Speaker 2: Thanks Graham, good to have your your prediction there. And

827
00:44:27,347 --> 00:44:31,267
Speaker 2: finally from Rod, I hope that Liam slaps his detractors

828
00:44:31,347 --> 00:44:35,467
Speaker 2: down a notch with a scintillating performance. He can turn

829
00:44:35,507 --> 00:44:37,907
Speaker 2: it on. All things being equal, and a healthy dose

830
00:44:37,987 --> 00:44:42,147
Speaker 2: of good luck is useful too. The Japanese race is

831
00:44:42,307 --> 00:44:45,747
Speaker 2: terribly important to nailing his boots to the driver's title.

832
00:44:46,707 --> 00:44:49,387
Speaker 2: Thank you, Rod, and thank you for all your calls

833
00:44:49,467 --> 00:44:53,067
Speaker 2: and correspondence on Formula one this afternoon to Cricket we

834
00:44:53,147 --> 00:44:55,947
Speaker 2: go though at ten past one, the black Cap starting

835
00:44:55,987 --> 00:44:59,347
Speaker 2: to build some next generation depth. I made the point

836
00:44:59,427 --> 00:45:02,067
Speaker 2: on the show yesterday that it is now possible if

837
00:45:02,107 --> 00:45:04,947
Speaker 2: you wanted to to name a black Caps team with

838
00:45:05,147 --> 00:45:10,027
Speaker 2: white ball international experience, all under the age of thirty,

839
00:45:10,187 --> 00:45:11,907
Speaker 2: and this is the team I came up with Rehese,

840
00:45:11,907 --> 00:45:16,067
Speaker 2: Marty fin Allen, Tim Robinson, Rutch and Ravendra, Glenn Phillips,

841
00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:20,307
Speaker 2: Muhammada Bass, Mitch Hay, Nathan Smith, Zach Folks, Ben Sears

842
00:45:20,827 --> 00:45:24,107
Speaker 2: and will ow' rourke. Or if you wanted a spin

843
00:45:24,187 --> 00:45:28,507
Speaker 2: option Addy Ashok. Former New Zealand off spinner Paul Wiseman

844
00:45:28,787 --> 00:45:33,187
Speaker 2: was also former New Zealand Cricket Talent Identification manager and

845
00:45:33,387 --> 00:45:37,267
Speaker 2: still heavily involved in New Zealand Cricket's high performance program

846
00:45:37,427 --> 00:45:39,667
Speaker 2: as a coach. He joins us now, Paul, thanks for

847
00:45:39,707 --> 00:45:41,587
Speaker 2: taking the time. Do you feel like we are building

848
00:45:41,867 --> 00:45:44,747
Speaker 2: some quite significant international depth?

849
00:45:44,827 --> 00:45:48,627
Speaker 7: Now? Yeah, without doubt we are. You know, it's great.

850
00:45:48,747 --> 00:45:54,187
Speaker 7: Obviously the recent series against Pakistan was a really highlighted that.

851
00:45:54,307 --> 00:45:56,667
Speaker 7: I think, you know, there's probably nine or ten players

852
00:45:56,827 --> 00:45:59,187
Speaker 7: that would normally be in that side, maybe three that

853
00:45:59,827 --> 00:46:04,667
Speaker 7: maybe three that would always be in that team play

854
00:46:04,707 --> 00:46:08,627
Speaker 7: against Pakistan the series and to win it as comfortably

855
00:46:08,667 --> 00:46:10,867
Speaker 7: as we did, is it sees a lot for the

856
00:46:10,947 --> 00:46:11,827
Speaker 7: depth that's coming through.

857
00:46:12,867 --> 00:46:16,907
Speaker 2: Is international white ball cricket a good breeding ground for

858
00:46:17,027 --> 00:46:19,107
Speaker 2: international red bull cricketers?

859
00:46:21,067 --> 00:46:26,387
Speaker 7: Good question. Look, there's more opportunities, aren't they. I suppose

860
00:46:26,427 --> 00:46:31,467
Speaker 7: there's more more games played of white ball crickets, so

861
00:46:32,427 --> 00:46:35,467
Speaker 7: there's opportunities there. I think the opportunities they're coming in

862
00:46:35,587 --> 00:46:39,827
Speaker 7: a funny way with all a franchise cricket going on,

863
00:46:40,027 --> 00:46:43,107
Speaker 7: it's meaning that we're having series like this where you know,

864
00:46:43,227 --> 00:46:47,227
Speaker 7: you've got nine players away playing ipl and so that

865
00:46:47,387 --> 00:46:50,507
Speaker 7: naturally has knock on effect and it means the players

866
00:46:50,587 --> 00:46:55,267
Speaker 7: that perhaps in previous years they wouldn't have got the

867
00:46:55,267 --> 00:46:59,227
Speaker 7: opportunity they're getting and they're they're coming in and they

868
00:46:59,307 --> 00:47:01,867
Speaker 7: look they look right at home, which is the exciting thing.

869
00:47:01,947 --> 00:47:05,787
Speaker 7: So it means that now domestic cricket is doing a

870
00:47:05,827 --> 00:47:09,427
Speaker 7: good job, coaches with them doing a good job, and

871
00:47:10,427 --> 00:47:13,747
Speaker 7: the programs that we're putting around what we believe are

872
00:47:13,747 --> 00:47:17,947
Speaker 7: our high potential players, you know, are starting to pay off.

873
00:47:18,307 --> 00:47:20,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess like any international experience and know whe

874
00:47:20,867 --> 00:47:23,227
Speaker 2: and Red Bull cricket very different, but just being inside

875
00:47:23,267 --> 00:47:26,587
Speaker 2: the black Caps environment for a young player, you know,

876
00:47:26,627 --> 00:47:29,947
Speaker 2: who has aspirations to play test cricket, surely just being

877
00:47:29,987 --> 00:47:32,827
Speaker 2: in and around the environment would be beneficial for.

878
00:47:32,947 --> 00:47:34,787
Speaker 17: Them one hundred percent.

879
00:47:34,907 --> 00:47:36,987
Speaker 7: I think every player you talk to that goes into

880
00:47:37,027 --> 00:47:40,267
Speaker 7: that Black Caps environment just always comment about how chilled

881
00:47:40,307 --> 00:47:43,787
Speaker 7: out it is, how easy it is, how welcome they

882
00:47:43,947 --> 00:47:48,187
Speaker 7: made feel. You know, it's a tough game as it

883
00:47:48,307 --> 00:47:49,947
Speaker 7: is at it's a tough enough game as it is

884
00:47:49,947 --> 00:47:53,987
Speaker 7: at the international level without without feeling welcome and feeling

885
00:47:55,107 --> 00:47:57,707
Speaker 7: feeling at ease when you come in and they all know,

886
00:47:58,427 --> 00:48:00,587
Speaker 7: you know, they played domestically with these guys as well,

887
00:48:00,707 --> 00:48:03,027
Speaker 7: but it's it's a real cuscious effort that the black Caps,

888
00:48:03,067 --> 00:48:07,307
Speaker 7: supports staff and players put in there. It probably wasn't

889
00:48:07,307 --> 00:48:10,387
Speaker 7: always that way. It used to be sort of think

890
00:48:10,427 --> 00:48:12,987
Speaker 7: will swim a little bit, but you know, it's certainly

891
00:48:13,027 --> 00:48:15,107
Speaker 7: a lot more encouraging these days, which is fantastic.

892
00:48:15,267 --> 00:48:18,787
Speaker 18: Do you think that's intentional one hundred percent of yeah,

893
00:48:19,387 --> 00:48:22,467
Speaker 18: And that's players and support staff all brought into that

894
00:48:23,907 --> 00:48:27,227
Speaker 18: because they know if people come in and feel feel

895
00:48:27,267 --> 00:48:29,907
Speaker 18: are these they've got a better chance of performing out

896
00:48:29,947 --> 00:48:31,147
Speaker 18: there with their teammates.

897
00:48:31,187 --> 00:48:35,027
Speaker 7: Sore works, which is brilliant.

898
00:48:35,427 --> 00:48:38,027
Speaker 2: If you're looking at a young player who's playing domestic

899
00:48:38,107 --> 00:48:41,107
Speaker 2: cricket and trying to assess whether they could make the

900
00:48:41,227 --> 00:48:44,987
Speaker 2: jump from domestic cricket to international cricket, what are the

901
00:48:45,107 --> 00:48:51,707
Speaker 2: main factors that you would consider, Well, the IE.

902
00:48:51,627 --> 00:48:52,987
Speaker 7: Test is one.

903
00:48:53,067 --> 00:48:53,587
Speaker 19: For a start.

904
00:48:53,947 --> 00:48:56,987
Speaker 7: You look at a player the first, the gut field

905
00:48:57,067 --> 00:48:58,787
Speaker 7: thing that's that's there. If you've been in the game

906
00:48:58,827 --> 00:49:00,907
Speaker 7: and long enough, you see those sorts of things with that,

907
00:49:01,107 --> 00:49:04,707
Speaker 7: as we look at players that can play quality spin

908
00:49:04,947 --> 00:49:07,307
Speaker 7: and paste because that's tends to be what you face

909
00:49:07,347 --> 00:49:09,227
Speaker 7: at the top level. There's not so much of the

910
00:49:09,307 --> 00:49:11,587
Speaker 7: medium pace stuff that we face a lot of, and

911
00:49:11,667 --> 00:49:15,107
Speaker 7: a lot of our players grow up facing naturally because

912
00:49:15,627 --> 00:49:17,987
Speaker 7: it's school cricket. That's what you get. You don't get

913
00:49:18,027 --> 00:49:21,627
Speaker 7: the top, top quality spinners and pastebol. So we want

914
00:49:21,667 --> 00:49:23,907
Speaker 7: to have a look at guys that we believe have

915
00:49:24,027 --> 00:49:26,907
Speaker 7: the ability to do that, and then we try and

916
00:49:26,947 --> 00:49:28,947
Speaker 7: put them in positions for them to learn those. So

917
00:49:29,827 --> 00:49:32,147
Speaker 7: you know, we've had recent tools to Chenni. We've taken

918
00:49:32,187 --> 00:49:36,107
Speaker 7: batters over there to work on playing spin bowling. We've

919
00:49:36,107 --> 00:49:38,987
Speaker 7: got a tools coming up, one in May to Bangladesh

920
00:49:39,027 --> 00:49:44,307
Speaker 7: and then one in South Africa, two completely different conditions

921
00:49:44,907 --> 00:49:46,907
Speaker 7: and so batters are going to be tested in different ways.

922
00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:50,227
Speaker 7: And then obviously with the pace bowler. Pace is something

923
00:49:50,307 --> 00:49:54,227
Speaker 7: you can't really coach. You can enhance it, but they've

924
00:49:54,307 --> 00:49:56,347
Speaker 7: kind of got it or they haven't. Can they move

925
00:49:56,427 --> 00:49:59,427
Speaker 7: the ball if they haven't got extreme pace? Have they

926
00:49:59,467 --> 00:50:02,707
Speaker 7: got height? Those sorts of things, and spinners, you know,

927
00:50:02,827 --> 00:50:05,067
Speaker 7: can that first first leg? The thing you look for

928
00:50:05,267 --> 00:50:07,147
Speaker 7: is what can they do with the ball, whether it's

929
00:50:07,147 --> 00:50:10,987
Speaker 7: in the air, off the pitch and I think overall

930
00:50:11,347 --> 00:50:14,347
Speaker 7: one of the couple of the key contributing factors that

931
00:50:14,427 --> 00:50:17,067
Speaker 7: we look at the talents and the love for the game,

932
00:50:17,387 --> 00:50:21,827
Speaker 7: and a work ethic and that competitive nature. So those

933
00:50:21,907 --> 00:50:25,227
Speaker 7: three things, coupled with the skills that you see, are

934
00:50:25,267 --> 00:50:29,907
Speaker 7: pretty crucial and forming a player that we believe can

935
00:50:30,187 --> 00:50:31,147
Speaker 7: play at the highest level.

936
00:50:31,347 --> 00:50:33,347
Speaker 2: That eye testing is a really interesting one for me,

937
00:50:33,467 --> 00:50:35,987
Speaker 2: especially with cricket, which is such a complex game. As

938
00:50:36,027 --> 00:50:37,507
Speaker 2: you say, you look at a play, I think, man,

939
00:50:37,547 --> 00:50:39,307
Speaker 2: he can battle. Gee, what a good bowl of he is.

940
00:50:40,267 --> 00:50:42,507
Speaker 2: But you don't really know what's going on inside their head?

941
00:50:42,507 --> 00:50:44,267
Speaker 2: Do you until you get them inside an environment?

942
00:50:44,387 --> 00:50:44,587
Speaker 1: Do you?

943
00:50:45,347 --> 00:50:47,227
Speaker 2: Is it more hit than missus? Are there many who

944
00:50:47,307 --> 00:50:49,147
Speaker 2: come in and you've completely misread it.

945
00:50:51,467 --> 00:50:55,027
Speaker 7: We have an nineteen program chairs the World cop every

946
00:50:55,107 --> 00:50:58,947
Speaker 7: two years and we'll eighty percent of the players that

947
00:50:59,027 --> 00:51:01,427
Speaker 7: go away on that will coup, will play domestic cricket

948
00:51:02,307 --> 00:51:05,627
Speaker 7: and pretty regularly, and probably thirty percent of that will

949
00:51:05,707 --> 00:51:09,627
Speaker 7: play for the black Caps. Won freak this year, which

950
00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:12,347
Speaker 7: I think is looking back on it now, has probably

951
00:51:12,587 --> 00:51:15,747
Speaker 7: set us in such good stead. Back in twenty nineteen

952
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:19,587
Speaker 7: Under nineteen World Cup and the tournament leading into that

953
00:51:19,987 --> 00:51:22,427
Speaker 7: national tournament. We had sixteen Black Caps come out of

954
00:51:22,467 --> 00:51:27,267
Speaker 7: that one year. Like I said before, there's normal around three,

955
00:51:27,387 --> 00:51:31,867
Speaker 7: but we had sixteen. And so that's the Henrys and

956
00:51:31,987 --> 00:51:39,547
Speaker 7: the Lathams and the Sodees and sat Ners and all

957
00:51:39,547 --> 00:51:41,507
Speaker 7: most of the guys. So there's about sixteen came out

958
00:51:41,547 --> 00:51:43,587
Speaker 7: of that group, which meant that there was a bit

959
00:51:43,627 --> 00:51:47,067
Speaker 7: of a log jam for those underneath. So now what's

960
00:51:47,107 --> 00:51:51,147
Speaker 7: happening is we're getting players coming in that I've actually

961
00:51:51,347 --> 00:51:54,627
Speaker 7: had a number of years of hard domestic cricket under

962
00:51:54,627 --> 00:51:57,027
Speaker 7: their belts, so when they do come in, they're ready

963
00:51:57,067 --> 00:52:00,107
Speaker 7: and they're flying from ball one. And we've had probably

964
00:52:00,107 --> 00:52:02,987
Speaker 7: the last five six years of that. Actually every player

965
00:52:03,027 --> 00:52:06,827
Speaker 7: that's come in has succeeded pretty early on. Is awesome,

966
00:52:08,587 --> 00:52:10,467
Speaker 7: and it means that we're not just throwing guys in.

967
00:52:11,227 --> 00:52:13,427
Speaker 7: Perhaps we did that a little bit in the past.

968
00:52:13,507 --> 00:52:15,867
Speaker 7: If you can bowl one forty, then you're in, rather

969
00:52:15,987 --> 00:52:18,147
Speaker 7: than by one forty, you've also got to take a

970
00:52:18,227 --> 00:52:20,267
Speaker 7: bunch of five wook at bags and domestic cricket before

971
00:52:20,307 --> 00:52:23,307
Speaker 7: you get there, because the standard or the level of

972
00:52:23,347 --> 00:52:26,027
Speaker 7: the depth of players up there is keeping you out.

973
00:52:26,187 --> 00:52:28,827
Speaker 7: So it has it's had that knock on effect, and

974
00:52:28,867 --> 00:52:30,987
Speaker 7: I think it's I think it's been a really good

975
00:52:31,027 --> 00:52:34,267
Speaker 7: thing for us. And but also just recently we've we've

976
00:52:34,467 --> 00:52:36,067
Speaker 7: we've managed to get a couple of young guys and

977
00:52:36,547 --> 00:52:40,187
Speaker 7: the likes of Rys Mario and Eddie Ashok and Muhammad

978
00:52:40,227 --> 00:52:42,867
Speaker 7: A Bass, So that's exciting too.

979
00:52:43,107 --> 00:52:45,587
Speaker 2: Indeed, how do you make sure, Paul, that you don't

980
00:52:45,667 --> 00:52:48,747
Speaker 2: miss anybody? If there's a guy getting potter runs up

981
00:52:48,787 --> 00:52:51,627
Speaker 2: in kay tire or taking a bunch of wickets down

982
00:52:51,707 --> 00:52:53,787
Speaker 2: and gore, how do you make sure no one slips

983
00:52:53,827 --> 00:52:54,427
Speaker 2: through the cracks.

984
00:52:56,587 --> 00:52:56,987
Speaker 12: We've got a.

985
00:52:56,987 --> 00:53:00,307
Speaker 7: Pretty good network out there with ours, work very closely

986
00:53:00,387 --> 00:53:03,227
Speaker 7: with them. They're they're basically our high performance. You know,

987
00:53:03,307 --> 00:53:06,707
Speaker 7: we were bringing at the plis to certain can and

988
00:53:06,827 --> 00:53:09,987
Speaker 7: A's and our Men's Development Group and nine teams and

989
00:53:10,027 --> 00:53:13,107
Speaker 7: so forth. But ours are the ones that do the

990
00:53:13,147 --> 00:53:15,067
Speaker 7: bulk of the O. The work with these guys and

991
00:53:15,147 --> 00:53:19,907
Speaker 7: they have networks within their MA that feed information through.

992
00:53:21,427 --> 00:53:27,067
Speaker 7: We probably need to get more eyes on players and

993
00:53:27,187 --> 00:53:29,947
Speaker 7: around the Auckland area. We're probably a little bit limited

994
00:53:29,987 --> 00:53:32,507
Speaker 7: there in terms of numbers, and that's just a cost thing.

995
00:53:32,627 --> 00:53:36,907
Speaker 7: Everyone has their own pathway manager in each EACHMA that Auckland,

996
00:53:36,947 --> 00:53:40,987
Speaker 7: as you know, is population wise, is so much bigger

997
00:53:41,027 --> 00:53:45,347
Speaker 7: than the rest of the country, and it's such an

998
00:53:45,387 --> 00:53:51,147
Speaker 7: exciting population with East Asian and South African and all

999
00:53:51,267 --> 00:53:52,867
Speaker 7: that sort of thing. So I'm sure there are some

1000
00:53:53,027 --> 00:53:55,987
Speaker 7: players that get to a level that maybe don't get seen.

1001
00:53:56,507 --> 00:53:59,987
Speaker 7: But the ones with the real skill I think will

1002
00:54:00,027 --> 00:54:05,627
Speaker 7: still come through our program just because they're the ones

1003
00:54:05,707 --> 00:54:08,307
Speaker 7: that that work. If that we talked about, that drive,

1004
00:54:09,227 --> 00:54:11,187
Speaker 7: in the drive to get better, they will find a way.

1005
00:54:12,267 --> 00:54:14,547
Speaker 7: That's not ideal. We need to get that right, but

1006
00:54:14,827 --> 00:54:18,747
Speaker 7: I'd say ninety eight percent of players we're not missing.

1007
00:54:19,547 --> 00:54:21,587
Speaker 2: Do you also keep an eye on secondary score cricket.

1008
00:54:23,227 --> 00:54:23,467
Speaker 4: We do.

1009
00:54:23,747 --> 00:54:26,907
Speaker 7: We do that through those pathway managers that have networks

1010
00:54:27,067 --> 00:54:31,787
Speaker 7: into schools and clubs. Again, I think all Auckland's in

1011
00:54:31,827 --> 00:54:34,427
Speaker 7: the area that we can be a lot better at,

1012
00:54:34,507 --> 00:54:37,307
Speaker 7: but we just need we need a biggest system, a

1013
00:54:37,347 --> 00:54:39,907
Speaker 7: bigger network up here. I think the rest of the

1014
00:54:39,987 --> 00:54:43,787
Speaker 7: country's pretty good. I think those players will come through

1015
00:54:44,987 --> 00:54:49,067
Speaker 7: and start shining through we I suppose the ones that

1016
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:51,307
Speaker 7: the ones that you may miss along the way would

1017
00:54:51,307 --> 00:54:54,267
Speaker 7: be the ones that show that real talent, but they're

1018
00:54:54,347 --> 00:54:56,667
Speaker 7: very good in other sport as well, and they don't

1019
00:54:56,787 --> 00:54:59,387
Speaker 7: get eyes on them early. And we have i mean

1020
00:54:59,427 --> 00:55:02,467
Speaker 7: a lot of our best players, our black apps and things.

1021
00:55:02,587 --> 00:55:05,067
Speaker 7: We're very good at other sports as well, so we

1022
00:55:05,147 --> 00:55:06,947
Speaker 7: do have that, we do have that battle.

1023
00:55:06,707 --> 00:55:07,747
Speaker 20: With other sports.

1024
00:55:07,827 --> 00:55:11,027
Speaker 7: But it's been our philosophy and using cricketers that we

1025
00:55:11,467 --> 00:55:15,387
Speaker 7: encourage all our cricketers play as much or as many

1026
00:55:15,427 --> 00:55:17,747
Speaker 7: other sports as they possibly can until they have to

1027
00:55:17,827 --> 00:55:20,587
Speaker 7: make a decision either way, because we believe at the

1028
00:55:20,667 --> 00:55:23,747
Speaker 7: end of that if they've been playing rugby or basketball

1029
00:55:23,907 --> 00:55:26,427
Speaker 7: or whatever sport they've been hockey or whatever it might be,

1030
00:55:27,427 --> 00:55:29,627
Speaker 7: that we will have a better athlete if they come

1031
00:55:29,667 --> 00:55:33,307
Speaker 7: and play cricket, and vice verist if they don't choose

1032
00:55:33,387 --> 00:55:34,707
Speaker 7: us and they go to rugby one of those other

1033
00:55:34,787 --> 00:55:37,587
Speaker 7: sports that sport will have a better athlete if they've

1034
00:55:37,587 --> 00:55:41,067
Speaker 7: been playing cricket as well. So yep, we might miss

1035
00:55:41,107 --> 00:55:42,987
Speaker 7: the odd one, but at the end of the day,

1036
00:55:43,027 --> 00:55:45,587
Speaker 7: it's usually a dutfield thing with players and they'll have

1037
00:55:46,107 --> 00:55:47,747
Speaker 7: had one preference one way or the other.

1038
00:55:47,947 --> 00:55:50,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, that balance is better. Philosophy has proven to be

1039
00:55:50,787 --> 00:55:53,387
Speaker 2: extremely effective of course, for these young players to get

1040
00:55:53,387 --> 00:55:58,187
Speaker 2: opportunities in the international environment. Paul somebody has to make

1041
00:55:58,307 --> 00:56:01,907
Speaker 2: room for them. So how do you know when it's

1042
00:56:01,987 --> 00:56:06,307
Speaker 2: the right time to move on from an established experience?

1043
00:56:06,427 --> 00:56:07,067
Speaker 2: The player.

1044
00:56:08,467 --> 00:56:12,707
Speaker 7: Such a tough one and it's very very individual. I think,

1045
00:56:13,827 --> 00:56:17,347
Speaker 7: you know, I think the player, and I think the

1046
00:56:17,667 --> 00:56:21,547
Speaker 7: people that watch get pretty get pretty noisy, or that

1047
00:56:22,107 --> 00:56:25,907
Speaker 7: you know, those that watch the game, the crowd and

1048
00:56:25,947 --> 00:56:29,267
Speaker 7: the public, they start start talking about things as well,

1049
00:56:29,347 --> 00:56:31,267
Speaker 7: and that's been going on for a while. But I

1050
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:34,787
Speaker 7: think what what news and create has done pretty well,

1051
00:56:35,347 --> 00:56:38,867
Speaker 7: and it's they're never easy conversations. They have those conversations

1052
00:56:38,907 --> 00:56:41,107
Speaker 7: with a lot of these players quite a long way

1053
00:56:41,187 --> 00:56:45,547
Speaker 7: out about when they'd like to exit, how they would

1054
00:56:45,627 --> 00:56:49,147
Speaker 7: like to exit, those sorts of things, so that those

1055
00:56:49,187 --> 00:56:52,147
Speaker 7: sorts of conversations definitely do go on in the background.

1056
00:56:52,747 --> 00:56:56,107
Speaker 7: They're not easy ones. And some players really that they

1057
00:56:56,147 --> 00:56:58,947
Speaker 7: can go on forever, and which is wonderful, and that's

1058
00:56:58,947 --> 00:57:01,747
Speaker 7: probably some of the characteristics that you have got them

1059
00:57:01,747 --> 00:57:04,307
Speaker 7: as far as they have. But as you know, everyone,

1060
00:57:04,507 --> 00:57:09,547
Speaker 7: everyone comes to that point where wary that their love

1061
00:57:09,627 --> 00:57:12,747
Speaker 7: for it is starting to diminish, all their performance is

1062
00:57:12,827 --> 00:57:16,827
Speaker 7: starting to drop. And then you've got young guys waiting

1063
00:57:16,867 --> 00:57:19,347
Speaker 7: in the wings that are starting to shoot the lights

1064
00:57:19,387 --> 00:57:22,387
Speaker 7: out on the levels below. So it's a natural thing

1065
00:57:22,707 --> 00:57:26,707
Speaker 7: in sport. It's not an easy thing, but I think

1066
00:57:26,827 --> 00:57:29,507
Speaker 7: using in cricket by large do it reasonably well.

1067
00:57:30,627 --> 00:57:33,187
Speaker 2: Just to finish. With more and more T twenty franchise

1068
00:57:33,227 --> 00:57:37,987
Speaker 2: opportunities popping up everywhere. Do you think there might be

1069
00:57:38,107 --> 00:57:41,507
Speaker 2: a generation of cricketers emerge who don't play for New

1070
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Speaker 2: Zealand they just play franchise cricket or do they need

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Speaker 2: the domestic grounding first to even catch the eye or

1072
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Speaker 2: to develop the skills to play in those franchise legs.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I hope it.

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00:57:52,467 --> 00:57:55,987
Speaker 7: Doesn't come to that. I hope the first and first thing,

1075
00:57:56,107 --> 00:57:59,907
Speaker 7: and maybe it's wishful thinking that first and foremost they

1076
00:57:59,987 --> 00:58:05,627
Speaker 7: want to represent New Zealand. There are players in domestic

1077
00:58:05,747 --> 00:58:07,987
Speaker 7: leagues in Australia that have got picked up an i

1078
00:58:08,107 --> 00:58:13,027
Speaker 7: PL and they go straight into that name Mounts, Money

1079
00:58:13,067 --> 00:58:15,907
Speaker 7: and Andrew very well, and they don't don't end up

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00:58:15,907 --> 00:58:17,547
Speaker 7: playing for their domestic side. But I think in New

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00:58:17,627 --> 00:58:23,427
Speaker 7: Zealand at the moment, playing for New Zealand is certainly

1082
00:58:26,027 --> 00:58:29,067
Speaker 7: the window, the window for them to be seen.

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00:58:30,587 --> 00:58:30,787
Speaker 20: Yep.

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00:58:31,227 --> 00:58:34,027
Speaker 7: You know, for Allen had that breakout season a few

1085
00:58:34,107 --> 00:58:37,667
Speaker 7: years back for the Firebirds and he got picked up

1086
00:58:37,667 --> 00:58:41,347
Speaker 7: in the IPL. But I think he still sees New

1087
00:58:41,467 --> 00:58:44,147
Speaker 7: Zealand playing for New Zealand is the ultimate. And it's

1088
00:58:44,187 --> 00:58:45,987
Speaker 7: also you know, if he does well at that level,

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00:58:46,027 --> 00:58:50,347
Speaker 7: then his stocks rise again for franchise cricket. And I

1090
00:58:50,387 --> 00:58:54,467
Speaker 7: don't blame anyone for wanting to play franchise cricket. I

1091
00:58:54,507 --> 00:58:56,707
Speaker 7: don't think there'll be too many people in the world

1092
00:58:56,707 --> 00:58:59,987
Speaker 7: that would turn down to sort of numbers that they

1093
00:59:00,067 --> 00:59:02,467
Speaker 7: get paid for it, and it's only a short window

1094
00:59:02,507 --> 00:59:03,827
Speaker 7: in your life that you get to earn it. But

1095
00:59:04,427 --> 00:59:07,027
Speaker 7: I still think the vast majority of player as the

1096
00:59:07,147 --> 00:59:12,427
Speaker 7: first and foremost drivers is to play for the black Caps,

1097
00:59:12,947 --> 00:59:13,387
Speaker 7: no doubt.

1098
00:59:13,707 --> 00:59:15,707
Speaker 2: All Right, So that team I named at the top Mario,

1099
00:59:15,787 --> 00:59:19,787
Speaker 2: Alan Robinson, Ravendra Phillips, Abass, Hay Smith, Folks, sez O

1100
00:59:19,947 --> 00:59:22,667
Speaker 2: Rourke Drickon. That team beats the Grizzled over the thirties

1101
00:59:22,707 --> 00:59:23,587
Speaker 2: in the Game of T twenty.

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Speaker 17: It's an exciting team, isn't it.

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00:59:27,987 --> 00:59:32,067
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think that'd push him pretty hard. And that

1104
00:59:32,707 --> 00:59:35,067
Speaker 7: is what is so cool, is that all of a sudden,

1105
00:59:35,267 --> 00:59:38,707
Speaker 7: you know you've got guys looking over their shoulders, quality

1106
00:59:38,747 --> 00:59:41,787
Speaker 7: players looking over their shoulders and so they're going to

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00:59:41,867 --> 00:59:45,147
Speaker 7: keep pushing. And the thing is these days the guy

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00:59:45,187 --> 00:59:47,187
Speaker 7: that's so much fitter than what they were when I

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00:59:47,307 --> 00:59:52,987
Speaker 7: was playing, that they can play longer. So you know,

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00:59:53,347 --> 00:59:55,467
Speaker 7: I had a look at some numbers a while, But

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Speaker 7: this is a couple of years ago where the twenty

1112
01:00:00,587 --> 01:00:05,627
Speaker 7: most recent debut players in test cricket average age was

1113
01:00:05,667 --> 01:00:08,347
Speaker 7: twenty eight, and it's twenty seven at one day cricket

1114
01:00:08,387 --> 01:00:11,147
Speaker 7: in twenty six and twenty. It's dropped a little bit

1115
01:00:11,187 --> 01:00:13,907
Speaker 7: in recent times, obviously with the likes of the Marios

1116
01:00:13,907 --> 01:00:16,347
Speaker 7: and their basses and the airshocks and the Revenger is

1117
01:00:16,387 --> 01:00:19,787
Speaker 7: coming in. But you know that just that tells you

1118
01:00:20,227 --> 01:00:22,107
Speaker 7: that you've got to stick at the game for a

1119
01:00:22,187 --> 01:00:25,467
Speaker 7: fair bit before you get your crack, unless you're absolutely exceptional,

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Speaker 7: which you know, if you are day booing at twenty

1121
01:00:28,827 --> 01:00:31,107
Speaker 7: six to twenty seven, you've still got another decade of

1122
01:00:31,147 --> 01:00:33,667
Speaker 7: international cricket ahead of you if that's what you want.

1123
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Speaker 7: So guys are going to have to be patient, they're

1124
01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:38,107
Speaker 7: going to have to push hard, and they're going to

1125
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Speaker 7: have competition and that's only going to be a good

1126
01:00:39,947 --> 01:00:41,387
Speaker 7: thing for New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: Cricket.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, Thanks so much for the chat, Paul, really insightful.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining us this afternoon. No problem, thanks mate.

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Speaker 2: That's Paul Wiseman, former talent identification manager with New Zealand Cricket.

1131
01:00:53,187 --> 01:00:56,347
Speaker 2: These days high performance coach, plenty to unpack. There be

1132
01:00:56,427 --> 01:00:58,827
Speaker 2: keen to hear your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1133
01:00:59,067 --> 01:01:05,307
Speaker 2: eighty is our number, particularly around the regeneration of a team.

1134
01:01:05,387 --> 01:01:10,307
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think the most recent example

1135
01:01:10,347 --> 01:01:13,827
Speaker 2: of this was Tim Southy in that I think the

1136
01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:18,147
Speaker 2: general consensus, particularly around the Test game, was that he

1137
01:01:19,627 --> 01:01:23,907
Speaker 2: continued to be selected for longer than most people thought

1138
01:01:23,947 --> 01:01:26,027
Speaker 2: he should have been. And of course there was that

1139
01:01:26,107 --> 01:01:28,827
Speaker 2: whole episode of when he became captain and then wasn't

1140
01:01:28,947 --> 01:01:32,027
Speaker 2: guaranteed a place in the team, and that just opened

1141
01:01:32,107 --> 01:01:35,907
Speaker 2: up an entirely different can of worms. So that's the

1142
01:01:36,827 --> 01:01:39,827
Speaker 2: interesting response from Paul Wiseman is how do you know?

1143
01:01:40,027 --> 01:01:42,947
Speaker 2: And he said, well, it is very individual. It's not

1144
01:01:43,147 --> 01:01:45,427
Speaker 2: like a one size fits all. You reach the age

1145
01:01:45,427 --> 01:01:48,147
Speaker 2: of thirty five and that's that you're gone, you know,

1146
01:01:49,067 --> 01:01:51,587
Speaker 2: one you know, a player might be ready to be

1147
01:01:52,227 --> 01:01:55,107
Speaker 2: moved on when he is thirty one and others can

1148
01:01:55,147 --> 01:01:58,227
Speaker 2: go into all their late thirties. It's very individual. But

1149
01:01:58,467 --> 01:02:02,867
Speaker 2: the regeneration is necessary, just like anything, any sport, any business,

1150
01:02:03,507 --> 01:02:06,747
Speaker 2: you have to keep on regenerating. At the bottom amends,

1151
01:02:07,587 --> 01:02:09,787
Speaker 2: that's stat at the interesting. At the end was interesting too,

1152
01:02:09,907 --> 01:02:12,747
Speaker 2: wasn't it that you don't debut on average for the

1153
01:02:12,787 --> 01:02:15,147
Speaker 2: New Zealand Test side until you're twenty seven twenty eight?

1154
01:02:16,147 --> 01:02:19,307
Speaker 2: So that, though, does suggest a good body of work

1155
01:02:19,427 --> 01:02:23,827
Speaker 2: domestically before you reach the point where you're selected for

1156
01:02:23,867 --> 01:02:27,867
Speaker 2: the Test team. Unfortunately, what's going to happen these days

1157
01:02:28,427 --> 01:02:31,027
Speaker 2: is that by the time a player reaches twenty seven

1158
01:02:31,027 --> 01:02:33,787
Speaker 2: to twenty eight, they may well have had their head

1159
01:02:33,867 --> 01:02:40,187
Speaker 2: turned significantly by T twenty cricket enfranchise leagues. So are

1160
01:02:40,227 --> 01:02:42,787
Speaker 2: people going to opt out of the test game? Everyone

1161
01:02:42,867 --> 01:02:46,547
Speaker 2: you talk to and that test team says, and I

1162
01:02:46,627 --> 01:02:49,627
Speaker 2: presume they're telling the truth, that Test cricket is the

1163
01:02:49,707 --> 01:02:52,667
Speaker 2: pinnacle for them. But you look around the world now

1164
01:02:52,707 --> 01:02:56,587
Speaker 2: and you see the proliferation of T twenty leagues and

1165
01:02:56,627 --> 01:02:59,587
Speaker 2: you think to yourself, is there going to be a

1166
01:02:59,667 --> 01:03:04,747
Speaker 2: generation of cricketers who forsake the black cap? I mean,

1167
01:03:04,787 --> 01:03:07,147
Speaker 2: there's a few examples now and there's more and more

1168
01:03:07,227 --> 01:03:10,027
Speaker 2: now who are turning down contracts, but they're mainly at

1169
01:03:10,067 --> 01:03:12,027
Speaker 2: the other end of their career. A guy that came

1170
01:03:12,067 --> 01:03:15,707
Speaker 2: Williamson or Devin Conway, Jimmy Nisham saying, hey, I don't

1171
01:03:15,747 --> 01:03:17,507
Speaker 2: want to be contracted because I want to be able

1172
01:03:17,547 --> 01:03:21,187
Speaker 2: to make myself available for franchise cricket. But is that

1173
01:03:21,347 --> 01:03:24,027
Speaker 2: going to happen younger and younger? Are there going to

1174
01:03:24,067 --> 01:03:27,227
Speaker 2: be blokes coming through who, you know, maybe play a

1175
01:03:27,307 --> 01:03:30,667
Speaker 2: season or two of domestic cricket, pick up a gig somewhere,

1176
01:03:31,467 --> 01:03:33,707
Speaker 2: maybe not the IPL, but one of the other leagues,

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Speaker 2: makes a bit of a name for themselves and then

1178
01:03:36,227 --> 01:03:39,987
Speaker 2: becomes hot property around the T twenty circuit. I would

1179
01:03:40,027 --> 01:03:42,947
Speaker 2: hate to see it happen, but it's a possibility, isn't it.

1180
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Speaker 2: And as far as the Test team and the one

1181
01:03:45,267 --> 01:03:47,547
Speaker 2: day team is concerned, look, I was really excited with

1182
01:03:47,667 --> 01:03:51,427
Speaker 2: this team over the last three games. You know, you

1183
01:03:51,547 --> 01:03:53,227
Speaker 2: look at it and you say, well, actue. You know

1184
01:03:53,587 --> 01:03:57,347
Speaker 2: there's guys there and I think most sports fans know

1185
01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:01,507
Speaker 2: who came Williamson is, know who Devon Conway is, Tom Latham,

1186
01:04:01,587 --> 01:04:05,707
Speaker 2: Daryl Mitchell, Tom Blundell, you know these sorts of guys,

1187
01:04:06,387 --> 01:04:09,507
Speaker 2: but there are fresh faces in this team. It's exciting.

1188
01:04:10,387 --> 01:04:15,067
Speaker 2: Muhammed a bass You know, only twenty one could be anything,

1189
01:04:15,067 --> 01:04:18,827
Speaker 2: couldn't he? Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: Let's talk some cricket. Half pass one back with your

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Speaker 2: calls after.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight to two talking cricket, regeneration of our international sides,

1196
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Dobbo, get a mate, are you piney boy?

1197
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Speaker 5: This is Pandora's box opened in the sport that we've

1198
01:04:43,827 --> 01:04:47,507
Speaker 5: no other sport claimed to have three professed or four

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01:04:47,627 --> 01:04:50,267
Speaker 5: mats where players can play in all three and start

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Speaker 5: to pick and choose. It's extraordinary, isn't it?

1201
01:04:52,747 --> 01:04:55,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is it is, And you know, back in

1202
01:04:55,987 --> 01:04:58,227
Speaker 2: my day as it was, and probably a little bit

1203
01:04:58,267 --> 01:05:00,107
Speaker 2: of yours, Dobo. You know, it was just the red

1204
01:05:00,147 --> 01:05:02,787
Speaker 2: ball stuff that was, you know, that was the main focus.

1205
01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:05,267
Speaker 2: Now as you say, make completely different landscape.

1206
01:05:06,387 --> 01:05:08,987
Speaker 5: Could you imagine if Will Jordan says, look I can't

1207
01:05:09,027 --> 01:05:11,747
Speaker 5: play the three Tests against France because I'm going to

1208
01:05:11,787 --> 01:05:15,227
Speaker 5: go and play for RSSCA. Go, but I will be

1209
01:05:15,387 --> 01:05:18,547
Speaker 5: back for the Rugby Championship because that's what we're seeing now.

1210
01:05:18,787 --> 01:05:21,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a good comparison. It's a good comparison.

1211
01:05:21,467 --> 01:05:23,707
Speaker 5: It's just not going to happen in rugby and other sports.

1212
01:05:23,747 --> 01:05:26,227
Speaker 5: But look, there's about one hundred issues. The one I

1213
01:05:26,387 --> 01:05:27,947
Speaker 5: just want to bring up is that the fans are

1214
01:05:27,987 --> 01:05:30,667
Speaker 5: short changed. And what we're going to see now is

1215
01:05:30,747 --> 01:05:33,227
Speaker 5: I doubt we'll ever see New Zealand's strongest white ball

1216
01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:36,347
Speaker 5: team ever play in New Zealand again at the same

1217
01:05:36,467 --> 01:05:40,227
Speaker 5: time unless there's an ICC event and we hosted them

1218
01:05:40,267 --> 01:05:43,147
Speaker 5: what in twenty fifteen and before that nineteen ninety two.

1219
01:05:43,387 --> 01:05:46,387
Speaker 5: So from that viewpoint, the fans are going to be

1220
01:05:46,427 --> 01:05:50,667
Speaker 5: short changed and it's bloody sad. But having said that,

1221
01:05:50,827 --> 01:05:52,947
Speaker 5: the players have been given almost free will by New

1222
01:05:53,027 --> 01:05:54,427
Speaker 5: Zealand crickets to pick and choose.

1223
01:05:55,667 --> 01:05:57,067
Speaker 10: And you know it wasn't that long ago.

1224
01:05:57,187 --> 01:06:00,667
Speaker 5: South Africa two summers ago sent their d tent for

1225
01:06:00,947 --> 01:06:04,947
Speaker 5: their testing to New Zealand and we flopped them to Earland.

1226
01:06:04,987 --> 01:06:08,387
Speaker 5: Cape Williamson scored three centuries out of four innings and

1227
01:06:08,427 --> 01:06:10,427
Speaker 5: it was given full Test status with most of the

1228
01:06:10,747 --> 01:06:13,307
Speaker 5: pro tier players staying at home to play in their

1229
01:06:13,347 --> 01:06:17,307
Speaker 5: T twenty league, and then this summer Kane Williamson goes

1230
01:06:17,347 --> 01:06:20,787
Speaker 5: and joins that T twenty league in the Republic and

1231
01:06:20,907 --> 01:06:25,547
Speaker 5: misses games against Sri Lanka. We're definitely seeing the dog

1232
01:06:25,947 --> 01:06:26,867
Speaker 5: wagging the tail here.

1233
01:06:27,147 --> 01:06:29,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if they've been red ball cricket

1234
01:06:29,867 --> 01:06:32,827
Speaker 2: after Christmas, he wouldn't have gone. And see that again

1235
01:06:32,987 --> 01:06:36,907
Speaker 2: is another discussion point here, Dobbo. No international red ball

1236
01:06:36,987 --> 01:06:38,547
Speaker 2: cricket after Christmas.

1237
01:06:39,867 --> 01:06:43,747
Speaker 5: Yeah, astonishing. It's been a weird summer and it's like

1238
01:06:43,867 --> 01:06:46,547
Speaker 5: having porridge for breakfast. What have we had the Pakistani's here?

1239
01:06:46,587 --> 01:06:49,347
Speaker 5: What five six of the last seven summers. It's just

1240
01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:53,387
Speaker 5: we've got no point pound New Zealand and neither is Pakistan.

1241
01:06:53,547 --> 01:06:55,867
Speaker 5: So they're using each other just to have bilateral games.

1242
01:06:55,947 --> 01:07:00,747
Speaker 5: But what annoys me is and good old Jacob Duffy

1243
01:07:01,387 --> 01:07:03,667
Speaker 5: he's been the ODI or so, the T twenty number

1244
01:07:03,667 --> 01:07:07,467
Speaker 5: one bowler but probably the world's tweet twenty bowlers in

1245
01:07:07,507 --> 01:07:08,467
Speaker 5: the OPL right now.

1246
01:07:08,867 --> 01:07:11,667
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think it's meaningless.

1247
01:07:11,747 --> 01:07:16,027
Speaker 5: It's just absolutely meaningless, these bilateral ones. And what's happened

1248
01:07:16,107 --> 01:07:19,947
Speaker 5: is international cracket, particularly Bilateral. It's our third year, we

1249
01:07:20,067 --> 01:07:23,547
Speaker 5: got World Cup from ICC event's first, IPL second and

1250
01:07:23,627 --> 01:07:27,667
Speaker 5: then playing for your nation and Bilateral's third, So franchise

1251
01:07:27,787 --> 01:07:28,667
Speaker 5: is bigger than flag.

1252
01:07:28,987 --> 01:07:31,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that the perfect illustration of that,

1253
01:07:31,947 --> 01:07:36,147
Speaker 2: Dobbo is that Jacob Duffy probably won't play IPL. He's

1254
01:07:36,187 --> 01:07:37,947
Speaker 2: a top T twenty bowler in the world by the

1255
01:07:38,187 --> 01:07:40,827
Speaker 2: ic C rankings, but you know, fair plays on good bowler,

1256
01:07:40,907 --> 01:07:42,227
Speaker 2: but I doubt he'd play IPL.

1257
01:07:43,427 --> 01:07:46,067
Speaker 5: Well, I doubt he get packed. Let's be honest in

1258
01:07:46,947 --> 01:07:48,147
Speaker 5: all their resources together.

1259
01:07:48,427 --> 01:07:49,947
Speaker 15: Yeah, he's not a pop choice bowl.

1260
01:07:50,027 --> 01:07:52,947
Speaker 5: He doesn't make our fixtal lessons, which just makes an

1261
01:07:52,987 --> 01:07:55,907
Speaker 5: absolute mockery of the world rankings at the moment and

1262
01:07:56,427 --> 01:08:00,107
Speaker 5: the B twenty International. But look, I'm just my point

1263
01:08:00,267 --> 01:08:04,507
Speaker 5: is when will New Zealand's top T twenty and top

1264
01:08:04,587 --> 01:08:08,307
Speaker 5: eighty team play to ether in New Zealand? Again, it

1265
01:08:08,347 --> 01:08:11,147
Speaker 5: won't happen unless there's an icy event and we don't

1266
01:08:11,187 --> 01:08:12,107
Speaker 5: get to host many of those.

1267
01:08:12,267 --> 01:08:15,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dobo, one hundred percent agree, You're dead right. They won't.

1268
01:08:15,747 --> 01:08:18,507
Speaker 2: They won't. There's too many other directions they're being pulled

1269
01:08:18,547 --> 01:08:20,467
Speaker 2: in good to chat as always, mate, Thanks for your call.

1270
01:08:20,667 --> 01:08:24,947
Speaker 5: Hey Ross, Hey Poney, No one I feel sorry for Piney.

1271
01:08:25,147 --> 01:08:27,987
Speaker 2: Is Mitch Hay Yep, Well he's not going to He's

1272
01:08:28,027 --> 01:08:29,467
Speaker 2: not going to get into a Test team as long

1273
01:08:29,507 --> 01:08:33,987
Speaker 2: as Tom's there. No, but that might not be for

1274
01:08:34,107 --> 01:08:36,827
Speaker 2: that much longer. If you look at I'm just going

1275
01:08:36,907 --> 01:08:38,227
Speaker 2: to bring it up so I don't get this wrong.

1276
01:08:38,427 --> 01:08:40,947
Speaker 2: Tom Blundell is going to be thirty five at his

1277
01:08:41,107 --> 01:08:45,107
Speaker 2: next birthday. Mitch Hay is still twenty three to twenty four,

1278
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Speaker 2: plenty of time for him. Ross, all right, Tom Blundle, Tom,

1279
01:08:52,067 --> 01:08:54,467
Speaker 2: Tom Blundle's thirty is going to be thirty five.

1280
01:08:56,707 --> 01:08:57,747
Speaker 17: He's a Test wicket keeper.

1281
01:08:57,827 --> 01:08:58,667
Speaker 2: He is Tom Blundell.

1282
01:08:58,747 --> 01:09:00,667
Speaker 10: Yes, Why do I think it was Latham?

1283
01:09:01,267 --> 01:09:03,827
Speaker 2: No, No, it's Tom Blundell. Yeah's Tom Blundell. Yeah, he's

1284
01:09:04,227 --> 01:09:07,907
Speaker 2: kept working. Latham keeps in the one stuff. But Tom

1285
01:09:07,947 --> 01:09:10,547
Speaker 2: Blundell's year on. Tom blundeleshe's Test keeper. And I think

1286
01:09:10,587 --> 01:09:14,627
Speaker 2: they would be reticent to make Tom Latham keeping Test

1287
01:09:14,667 --> 01:09:16,587
Speaker 2: matches given he opens the batting and if he's in

1288
01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:18,867
Speaker 2: the field for one hundred overs crouching down, you know,

1289
01:09:19,187 --> 01:09:21,747
Speaker 2: six hundred times or whatever it is. That's not the

1290
01:09:21,827 --> 01:09:24,627
Speaker 2: ideal preparation for opening the batting. So yeah, I think

1291
01:09:24,747 --> 01:09:27,587
Speaker 2: Mitch hates the heir apparent absolutely and I think having

1292
01:09:28,107 --> 01:09:30,307
Speaker 2: the experience he's had in the white ball team will

1293
01:09:30,347 --> 01:09:32,907
Speaker 2: stand him a good stead. I think he is absolutely

1294
01:09:32,947 --> 01:09:38,307
Speaker 2: our next Test keeper. Well we can only hope, right,

1295
01:09:38,627 --> 01:09:40,387
Speaker 2: I think, no, Look and I think for a while

1296
01:09:40,587 --> 01:09:42,907
Speaker 2: we sort of wondered who it might be, who might

1297
01:09:42,987 --> 01:09:46,507
Speaker 2: be the next we could keeper coming through in terms

1298
01:09:46,507 --> 01:09:48,947
Speaker 2: of our a red ball side. And you look around

1299
01:09:48,987 --> 01:09:52,507
Speaker 2: and you see this Max Chew down at Otago, Cam

1300
01:09:52,587 --> 01:09:56,587
Speaker 2: Fletcher up in Auckland. Tom Blundle's first class numbers are

1301
01:09:56,627 --> 01:10:00,227
Speaker 2: still pretty good and in the last Test series against

1302
01:10:00,467 --> 01:10:03,827
Speaker 2: England he was I think our second top run scorer,

1303
01:10:03,907 --> 01:10:06,187
Speaker 2: so he still does a job. I think he's a

1304
01:10:06,467 --> 01:10:08,227
Speaker 2: Tom Saudiere. He gets a bit of jib when things

1305
01:10:08,267 --> 01:10:09,387
Speaker 2: don't go well. He seems to be a bit of

1306
01:10:09,427 --> 01:10:12,227
Speaker 2: a scapegoat. But I reckon another couple of summers and

1307
01:10:12,347 --> 01:10:14,907
Speaker 2: he might sail off into the sunset and your man

1308
01:10:14,987 --> 01:10:16,067
Speaker 2: Mitch Hay might be in the team.

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01:10:16,987 --> 01:10:19,267
Speaker 15: And one one more quick point if you've got at time,

1310
01:10:19,387 --> 01:10:22,187
Speaker 15: of course, why the hell do the bowlers get all

1311
01:10:22,227 --> 01:10:22,587
Speaker 15: the credit?

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01:10:22,667 --> 01:10:25,307
Speaker 21: Whin Headley would have got half his buddy wcaus it

1313
01:10:25,387 --> 01:10:26,027
Speaker 21: wasn't for Smoothie.

1314
01:10:27,627 --> 01:10:30,827
Speaker 2: Yes, spoken like a true work at keeper. Ross spoken

1315
01:10:31,107 --> 01:10:34,187
Speaker 2: like a true, true wicked keeper. Oh look, you're right,

1316
01:10:34,187 --> 01:10:36,947
Speaker 2: I mean Court Smith Bold Handley was was pretty common,

1317
01:10:37,067 --> 01:10:40,507
Speaker 2: wasn't it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think smithe

1318
01:10:40,507 --> 01:10:42,147
Speaker 2: would probably I think Ross, I think Smith. You would

1319
01:10:42,147 --> 01:10:43,987
Speaker 2: probably say he wouldn't have got half the catchers without

1320
01:10:44,027 --> 01:10:47,387
Speaker 2: Richard Hadley, But you know, probably it probably goes both ways.

1321
01:10:47,427 --> 01:10:47,667
Speaker 4: Mate.

1322
01:10:48,227 --> 01:10:49,827
Speaker 10: Well we go back to Cheney and all those though,

1323
01:10:49,827 --> 01:10:51,027
Speaker 10: don't we have a long way back?

1324
01:10:51,747 --> 01:10:51,867
Speaker 1: Oh?

1325
01:10:52,027 --> 01:10:54,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, those were the days. Those were the days ros

1326
01:10:54,187 --> 01:10:56,267
Speaker 2: didn't have to worry about tea twenty franchise cricke. At

1327
01:10:56,307 --> 01:10:58,067
Speaker 2: the end, have we good on your mate? Good to chat?

1328
01:10:58,507 --> 01:11:00,187
Speaker 2: Twenty one away from two. Let's take a break. When

1329
01:11:00,187 --> 01:11:02,787
Speaker 2: we come back, we will have our regular catch up

1330
01:11:02,907 --> 01:11:05,547
Speaker 2: with James mcconey. Actually, just before I did a couple

1331
01:11:05,547 --> 01:11:07,467
Speaker 2: of texts here. Mitch Hay has to be in the

1332
01:11:07,547 --> 01:11:11,027
Speaker 2: Test team to replace Blundell from now on, says this text,

1333
01:11:11,667 --> 01:11:13,787
Speaker 2: so he can have at least a year's experience before

1334
01:11:13,827 --> 01:11:16,267
Speaker 2: the Australia series. His first class average and batting skill

1335
01:11:16,387 --> 01:11:18,787
Speaker 2: is better than Blundle's. His keeping is better. He has

1336
01:11:18,867 --> 01:11:23,067
Speaker 2: to play. Now. Look again, I mean numbers only tell

1337
01:11:23,147 --> 01:11:25,507
Speaker 2: some of the story. But in the most recent Test

1338
01:11:25,627 --> 01:11:28,387
Speaker 2: series that New Zealand played, which seems an age you

1339
01:11:28,467 --> 01:11:32,187
Speaker 2: go now, but was against England before Christmas, Tom Blundell

1340
01:11:32,827 --> 01:11:35,587
Speaker 2: got one hundred at the base in reserve and across

1341
01:11:35,707 --> 01:11:37,907
Speaker 2: the series scored two hundred and thirteen runs at an

1342
01:11:37,907 --> 01:11:41,667
Speaker 2: average of forty three. So it was pretty handy. I

1343
01:11:41,787 --> 01:11:45,267
Speaker 2: know that that ton in Wellington was just trying to

1344
01:11:45,307 --> 01:11:47,987
Speaker 2: remember the circumstances, but I mean one hundred is still

1345
01:11:48,027 --> 01:11:49,987
Speaker 2: one hundred. I get your point. And look, I think

1346
01:11:50,027 --> 01:11:52,347
Speaker 2: we need to be patient. They're aware of Mitch Hay.

1347
01:11:52,867 --> 01:11:55,587
Speaker 2: He's in there. Now he'll play. I would imagine quite

1348
01:11:55,587 --> 01:11:59,107
Speaker 2: a bit of white ball cricket. Now, look, I maybe

1349
01:11:59,147 --> 01:12:01,587
Speaker 2: it's time to move on from you know, from Tom

1350
01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:03,707
Speaker 2: Latham in the one day side, although he is the

1351
01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:08,267
Speaker 2: captain so when Satan is not so again it's that

1352
01:12:08,347 --> 01:12:11,307
Speaker 2: whole thing of when do you move, when do you decide, Okay,

1353
01:12:12,227 --> 01:12:16,027
Speaker 2: we need to bring fresh blood in. Yeah, I think

1354
01:12:16,107 --> 01:12:18,987
Speaker 2: Mitch Hay has got his nose in front of the

1355
01:12:19,067 --> 01:12:23,027
Speaker 2: chasing pack. Those other guys. I mentioned Fletcher and Chewy

1356
01:12:23,267 --> 01:12:25,307
Speaker 2: By playing very well in this most recent series and

1357
01:12:25,347 --> 01:12:27,507
Speaker 2: I think you see a lot more of him twenty

1358
01:12:27,587 --> 01:12:31,627
Speaker 2: to two Back in a Moment with James mconey, The big.

1359
01:12:31,547 --> 01:12:35,107
Speaker 1: Issues on and after Field Call Oh eight hundred eighty

1360
01:12:35,187 --> 01:12:38,787
Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Pain and GJ. Gunner

1361
01:12:38,787 --> 01:12:42,707
Speaker 1: Homes New Zealand's was Trusted Homilder News Talks Baby.

1362
01:12:42,827 --> 01:12:45,587
Speaker 2: Just on sixteen Away from two as always on a

1363
01:12:45,627 --> 01:12:48,667
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. Great pleasure to welcome in James mcconey to

1364
01:12:48,747 --> 01:12:51,067
Speaker 2: the show. Hello, James, Hi, biney ive.

1365
01:12:51,107 --> 01:12:52,667
Speaker 17: You had a little weekend in Auckland, have you?

1366
01:12:52,907 --> 01:12:53,147
Speaker 7: I have?

1367
01:12:53,427 --> 01:12:55,827
Speaker 2: And I know you know that because can I say

1368
01:12:56,387 --> 01:12:59,467
Speaker 2: it was an absolute honor to be in the Alternative

1369
01:12:59,507 --> 01:13:03,707
Speaker 2: Commentary Collective Commentary booth the other night as she called

1370
01:13:03,747 --> 01:13:05,027
Speaker 2: your chiefs to another victory.

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01:13:06,507 --> 01:13:08,067
Speaker 17: It was great to have you there, Pony. I mean

1372
01:13:08,147 --> 01:13:10,387
Speaker 17: no pressure. I couldn't work out what your hand gestures.

1373
01:13:10,427 --> 01:13:12,547
Speaker 17: Where were you going up the chiefs? I'm hoping.

1374
01:13:14,587 --> 01:13:16,667
Speaker 2: If it wasn't obvious, maybe you need to work on them.

1375
01:13:17,227 --> 01:13:20,107
Speaker 17: Yeah you do, Yeah, there were fingers evolved. It can

1376
01:13:20,187 --> 01:13:23,787
Speaker 17: work it out, but the thing is the chiefs. I

1377
01:13:23,867 --> 01:13:25,507
Speaker 17: mean then it was a weak game.

1378
01:13:25,587 --> 01:13:25,827
Speaker 16: It was.

1379
01:13:26,067 --> 01:13:28,627
Speaker 17: It was a horrible game. I think the Chiefs deserved it.

1380
01:13:28,707 --> 01:13:31,867
Speaker 17: But I also thought there was an incredible try non

1381
01:13:32,027 --> 01:13:35,867
Speaker 17: try by Harry McLachlin Phillips the Clint Queens and Reds

1382
01:13:36,987 --> 01:13:40,227
Speaker 17: verse five. It was such so close, and I mean

1383
01:13:40,307 --> 01:13:42,947
Speaker 17: he partially bobbled the ball when he slid over the

1384
01:13:43,387 --> 01:13:45,307
Speaker 17: over the goal line, but it was it felt like

1385
01:13:45,387 --> 01:13:47,467
Speaker 17: it was a try. They should have given that. I mean,

1386
01:13:47,987 --> 01:13:50,427
Speaker 17: you can't come back. I mean, are we going? It's

1387
01:13:50,467 --> 01:13:52,227
Speaker 17: too much of a fine tooth comb For me, that

1388
01:13:52,347 --> 01:13:56,667
Speaker 17: looked it looked like a great try. But meanwhile, there's

1389
01:13:56,747 --> 01:13:58,667
Speaker 17: lots of other things that they let go and rugby,

1390
01:13:58,747 --> 01:13:59,587
Speaker 17: so what.

1391
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:00,107
Speaker 2: Would I know?

1392
01:14:00,267 --> 01:14:02,387
Speaker 17: Piney and the end, the Chiefs got it done and

1393
01:14:02,507 --> 01:14:05,427
Speaker 17: Shawn Stevenson one hundred games that sort of sneaked up

1394
01:14:05,467 --> 01:14:07,947
Speaker 17: on me. But hey, what a great servant he's been,

1395
01:14:08,107 --> 01:14:08,907
Speaker 17: absolutely And I just.

1396
01:14:08,907 --> 01:14:10,427
Speaker 2: Feel like the Chiefs, I mean, all the other New

1397
01:14:10,547 --> 01:14:13,187
Speaker 2: Zealand sides sort of tend to be, I don't know,

1398
01:14:13,347 --> 01:14:16,107
Speaker 2: picking their way through inconsistency. I mean, the Crusader's won

1399
01:14:16,147 --> 01:14:18,627
Speaker 2: in FIGIs today for the first time, so they're back

1400
01:14:18,667 --> 01:14:20,867
Speaker 2: up to second. But the Hurricanes losing last night to

1401
01:14:20,867 --> 01:14:23,307
Speaker 2: the Blues who have been underwhelming. The Highlanders lost again.

1402
01:14:23,667 --> 01:14:25,427
Speaker 2: I think the bright light in all of this, apart

1403
01:14:25,467 --> 01:14:28,587
Speaker 2: from your chiefs, is Molwana pacifica oh.

1404
01:14:28,547 --> 01:14:31,027
Speaker 17: Wow, I know what a game. And it looked like

1405
01:14:31,107 --> 01:14:34,027
Speaker 17: they were going to get undone by Joseph Suerley. So

1406
01:14:34,147 --> 01:14:37,427
Speaker 17: imagine that the sort of highest profile probably highest paid

1407
01:14:37,467 --> 01:14:42,387
Speaker 17: pacifica player on the other team looking a million or

1408
01:14:42,587 --> 01:14:45,027
Speaker 17: has every bit of his two million or four million

1409
01:14:45,187 --> 01:14:49,387
Speaker 17: US America Australian sorry dollars. But then what happened is

1410
01:14:49,427 --> 01:14:51,667
Speaker 17: that I think early in the second half Artie sa

1411
01:14:51,787 --> 01:14:54,507
Speaker 17: Vier tackled him and pushed the seat of driven back

1412
01:14:54,547 --> 01:14:57,467
Speaker 17: about seven meters and then a few minutes later he

1413
01:14:57,547 --> 01:15:01,787
Speaker 17: got the ball and shrugged him off, and I was thinking, okay,

1414
01:15:02,347 --> 01:15:06,187
Speaker 17: there's a welcome to rugby moment. You know from base

1415
01:15:06,907 --> 01:15:08,547
Speaker 17: this is the big chief on the block and that

1416
01:15:08,787 --> 01:15:13,307
Speaker 17: is Ardi. He leads that team so well. But the

1417
01:15:13,427 --> 01:15:17,587
Speaker 17: way the style of the tries was incredible, just Champagne

1418
01:15:17,627 --> 01:15:21,067
Speaker 17: rugby on a Sunday afternoon in the North Shore. A

1419
01:15:21,147 --> 01:15:23,827
Speaker 17: lot to light about their resolve and also a props

1420
01:15:23,867 --> 01:15:24,587
Speaker 17: going a hat trick.

1421
01:15:25,147 --> 01:15:27,667
Speaker 2: Oh look that was so good. I just loved everything

1422
01:15:27,747 --> 01:15:30,507
Speaker 2: about it and I now look ahead to next weekend

1423
01:15:30,707 --> 01:15:35,107
Speaker 2: when the Blues welcome Mowana Pacifica to Eden Park. I

1424
01:15:35,147 --> 01:15:37,427
Speaker 2: think it's four thirty five kickoffs, so but a sunshine

1425
01:15:37,707 --> 01:15:40,347
Speaker 2: hopefully still around. Although dallit Saving has finished, of course,

1426
01:15:40,707 --> 01:15:43,427
Speaker 2: I reckon there'll be more there supporting Mowana Pacifica.

1427
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Speaker 17: Yeah, this is the problem. It's the battle for Auckland,

1428
01:15:48,147 --> 01:15:50,587
Speaker 17: especially with bums on seats. I mean will the Warriors

1429
01:15:50,587 --> 01:15:54,627
Speaker 17: are winning it right and then the Blues. It's hard

1430
01:15:54,707 --> 01:15:57,707
Speaker 17: to tell with Eden Park how many they get there.

1431
01:15:57,787 --> 01:16:01,947
Speaker 17: But it didn't look good last night against the Hurricanes

1432
01:16:01,947 --> 01:16:05,547
Speaker 17: and they had some epic battles and just recently last season,

1433
01:16:05,587 --> 01:16:10,107
Speaker 17: the last a regular season game last year between the

1434
01:16:10,187 --> 01:16:12,707
Speaker 17: Blues and the Hurricanes was one full time, wasn't it

1435
01:16:13,067 --> 01:16:13,227
Speaker 17: It was?

1436
01:16:13,387 --> 01:16:14,347
Speaker 20: There were Test match.

1437
01:16:14,307 --> 01:16:19,467
Speaker 17: Vibes last night too, But I think du Califish summed

1438
01:16:19,507 --> 01:16:21,667
Speaker 17: it up pretty well when he just said, you know,

1439
01:16:21,747 --> 01:16:24,627
Speaker 17: it's just small moments all decide games. And I think

1440
01:16:24,707 --> 01:16:29,147
Speaker 17: he won a turnover and then he conceded a turnover attempt.

1441
01:16:29,387 --> 01:16:32,267
Speaker 17: It's just it came down to that kind of stuff.

1442
01:16:32,347 --> 01:16:34,467
Speaker 17: And Bowden slaowed as goals.

1443
01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:37,227
Speaker 2: It took about the battle of bums on seats and

1444
01:16:37,987 --> 01:16:41,107
Speaker 2: across town. At the home of the Warriors, it was

1445
01:16:41,147 --> 01:16:45,147
Speaker 2: Auckland FC again getting eighteen and a half thousand there yesterday.

1446
01:16:45,187 --> 01:16:46,747
Speaker 2: I've been to all of their home games. I've been

1447
01:16:46,787 --> 01:16:49,747
Speaker 2: very lucky to get the chance to work at them.

1448
01:16:50,107 --> 01:16:53,307
Speaker 2: It's been a buzz all year. Yesterday was I think

1449
01:16:53,427 --> 01:16:57,587
Speaker 2: even even bigger in terms of the FIRS. If Auckland

1450
01:16:57,587 --> 01:17:00,547
Speaker 2: happened to win that game, I think that place would

1451
01:17:00,587 --> 01:17:02,787
Speaker 2: have exploded, I know.

1452
01:17:02,947 --> 01:17:04,947
Speaker 17: And that's the other thing. I mean, if the wars

1453
01:17:04,987 --> 01:17:07,507
Speaker 17: are winning, then Ork and the Sea in second position,

1454
01:17:07,587 --> 01:17:11,387
Speaker 17: aren't they And it's really hurt the Blues in particular

1455
01:17:11,947 --> 01:17:14,947
Speaker 17: that the I mean it was a one all draw

1456
01:17:15,027 --> 01:17:17,667
Speaker 17: in the end, but you can tell when you're watching

1457
01:17:17,787 --> 01:17:21,427
Speaker 17: the highlights because I missed the game live. Just the

1458
01:17:22,027 --> 01:17:24,947
Speaker 17: energy and the crowd noise. It's just like nothing else

1459
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:27,267
Speaker 17: I've really seen in New Zealand football, not on a

1460
01:17:27,307 --> 01:17:31,387
Speaker 17: regular basis like that. So they're onto something special there.

1461
01:17:32,227 --> 01:17:34,827
Speaker 17: It was a bizarre Meddal game. I will say. At

1462
01:17:34,867 --> 01:17:39,667
Speaker 17: the end their most experienced player, Saki, the Japanese international,

1463
01:17:40,747 --> 01:17:42,947
Speaker 17: missed a pretty good chance that fell to his left foot.

1464
01:17:42,987 --> 01:17:44,987
Speaker 17: Of course he's the right foot. But I would say

1465
01:17:45,027 --> 01:17:46,907
Speaker 17: that if you're a young footballer out there, if you've

1466
01:17:46,907 --> 01:17:49,507
Speaker 17: got a young footballer in your family, at least get

1467
01:17:49,587 --> 01:17:52,667
Speaker 17: them to have a decent shot off their weaker foot.

1468
01:17:52,987 --> 01:17:55,107
Speaker 17: You've got to have it for moments like that pinting

1469
01:17:55,547 --> 01:17:57,667
Speaker 17: look as that ball came across to him.

1470
01:17:58,907 --> 01:18:01,907
Speaker 2: I remember this so distinctly, I think everybody it was

1471
01:18:01,907 --> 01:18:04,427
Speaker 2: almost like that that moment you know before a goal scored,

1472
01:18:04,467 --> 01:18:08,107
Speaker 2: where there's just that split second silence. Everybody just holds

1473
01:18:08,147 --> 01:18:12,107
Speaker 2: their breath and then gets ready to explode with ecstasy.

1474
01:18:12,667 --> 01:18:14,787
Speaker 2: Unfortunately that didn't come, but there was just that split

1475
01:18:14,867 --> 01:18:18,347
Speaker 2: second of silence as Sarki approached the ball. And I mean,

1476
01:18:18,427 --> 01:18:20,627
Speaker 2: like I said, if that had gone and I don't

1477
01:18:20,627 --> 01:18:23,107
Speaker 2: know what would have happened to that ground, you know, But.

1478
01:18:23,787 --> 01:18:26,267
Speaker 17: Instead, because it felt his left foot, he pretty much

1479
01:18:26,347 --> 01:18:30,107
Speaker 17: passed it to the keeper. Yeah, and so you do

1480
01:18:30,347 --> 01:18:30,867
Speaker 17: have to have it.

1481
01:18:31,027 --> 01:18:31,707
Speaker 12: Just work it out.

1482
01:18:31,747 --> 01:18:33,907
Speaker 17: I don't care what you do, practice against the wall,

1483
01:18:34,027 --> 01:18:37,067
Speaker 17: whatever it is with your week for work. You know,

1484
01:18:37,267 --> 01:18:39,307
Speaker 17: find a way to volley with it and to shoot

1485
01:18:39,347 --> 01:18:41,307
Speaker 17: with it, and then you will not get yourself into

1486
01:18:41,667 --> 01:18:44,547
Speaker 17: a problem like Ssarko that had yesterday, it would have,

1487
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Speaker 17: like you say, the place would have would have exploded.

1488
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Speaker 2: A couple of other matters, we've been speaking about the

1489
01:18:50,227 --> 01:18:52,507
Speaker 2: depth building in New Zealand cricket, particularly in the white

1490
01:18:52,547 --> 01:18:56,587
Speaker 2: ball side. A fairly new look side wrapped up the

1491
01:18:56,667 --> 01:18:59,627
Speaker 2: three nil series, went over Pakistan yesterday and Mount Moganu.

1492
01:18:59,787 --> 01:19:03,707
Speaker 2: There are some quite exciting and promising young cricketers starting

1493
01:19:03,747 --> 01:19:05,467
Speaker 2: to make a bit of a name for themselves.

1494
01:19:06,547 --> 01:19:10,187
Speaker 17: Indeed, Rees Marty, who remember the name, He scored a

1495
01:19:10,267 --> 01:19:13,907
Speaker 17: fifty on debut yesterday. And I think it's time for

1496
01:19:14,027 --> 01:19:16,307
Speaker 17: these players to step up and make the team. It's

1497
01:19:16,347 --> 01:19:18,827
Speaker 17: always been quite a close shot when you think about

1498
01:19:18,867 --> 01:19:21,347
Speaker 17: how long players can stay in the side. And I

1499
01:19:21,547 --> 01:19:24,587
Speaker 17: know that we've watched, you know, witness excellence of people

1500
01:19:24,667 --> 01:19:28,867
Speaker 17: like sim Saudi, Trempolt, Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor, so

1501
01:19:28,947 --> 01:19:31,587
Speaker 17: we've been spoilt. But now I just think, well, it

1502
01:19:31,707 --> 01:19:33,947
Speaker 17: is time for this new generation to come through, because

1503
01:19:33,947 --> 01:19:36,667
Speaker 17: even though we've had that golden era and we've made

1504
01:19:36,907 --> 01:19:40,987
Speaker 17: you know, World Cup finals, and we've won that Test Championship,

1505
01:19:41,547 --> 01:19:43,667
Speaker 17: to be honest, I feel like we've still been a

1506
01:19:43,707 --> 01:19:47,747
Speaker 17: step behind Australia and some other top sides. You know,

1507
01:19:47,907 --> 01:19:50,587
Speaker 17: we really haven't been able to compete with Australia that

1508
01:19:50,907 --> 01:19:54,707
Speaker 17: entire time, so it's up to the next generation to

1509
01:19:54,827 --> 01:19:57,027
Speaker 17: do it. And to be honest, I was a bit

1510
01:19:57,107 --> 01:20:00,147
Speaker 17: disappointed to see that Kane Williamson has decided not to

1511
01:20:00,227 --> 01:20:04,307
Speaker 17: play because he's commentating in the IPL not playing commentating.

1512
01:20:05,067 --> 01:20:07,227
Speaker 17: So look, if you're going to do that, mate, let's

1513
01:20:07,307 --> 01:20:09,787
Speaker 17: let's just let the young guys have the run of it.

1514
01:20:09,947 --> 01:20:13,107
Speaker 17: And he's going to retire a legend, and I'm happy

1515
01:20:13,147 --> 01:20:16,827
Speaker 17: for him to carry on and test matches and because

1516
01:20:16,867 --> 01:20:20,267
Speaker 17: I feel that that record that he's gotten test matches

1517
01:20:20,707 --> 01:20:22,587
Speaker 17: is the most important thing to him. We haven't got

1518
01:20:22,627 --> 01:20:25,827
Speaker 17: many this year, but let him carry on. But at

1519
01:20:25,867 --> 01:20:28,187
Speaker 17: these other levels, I think it's time to let these

1520
01:20:28,227 --> 01:20:30,867
Speaker 17: guys play. And I'm talking about Muhammed a Bus, I'm

1521
01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:34,987
Speaker 17: talking about Mitchell Ay and Reese Martou. You know, just

1522
01:20:35,067 --> 01:20:36,707
Speaker 17: give them the spot.

1523
01:20:36,947 --> 01:20:40,587
Speaker 2: Did you just Donkin Williamson, did you see that clip

1524
01:20:40,667 --> 01:20:44,867
Speaker 2: where they've basically used AI to change his language from

1525
01:20:44,947 --> 01:20:46,467
Speaker 2: English to Hindi.

1526
01:20:47,987 --> 01:20:50,947
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's incredible and in fact, he was so good

1527
01:20:51,427 --> 01:20:54,827
Speaker 17: that it almost felt just one of those things. We know,

1528
01:20:54,947 --> 01:20:56,987
Speaker 17: you're not allowed, no one's allowed to do an Indian

1529
01:20:57,027 --> 01:21:00,147
Speaker 17: accident anymore, pony, but they pretty much forced him into

1530
01:21:00,227 --> 01:21:02,707
Speaker 17: it with his AI and it was perfect. I mean,

1531
01:21:02,707 --> 01:21:05,547
Speaker 17: he was speaking Hindi in this AI clip, but I

1532
01:21:05,667 --> 01:21:08,907
Speaker 17: was just thinking, okay, that's That's one of those things

1533
01:21:08,947 --> 01:21:11,787
Speaker 17: where initially I was going, what is going on here?

1534
01:21:12,027 --> 01:21:15,507
Speaker 2: I know it was quite confronting almost it.

1535
01:21:15,747 --> 01:21:18,907
Speaker 17: Was, and yeah, good on them. It's it's it's it's

1536
01:21:19,067 --> 01:21:20,787
Speaker 17: just AI is taking over.

1537
01:21:20,987 --> 01:21:21,187
Speaker 20: You know.

1538
01:21:22,147 --> 01:21:25,827
Speaker 17: I must say I've dabbled with AI songwriting and and

1539
01:21:25,947 --> 01:21:29,667
Speaker 17: it's it's fun, you know, it's it's it's it's not bad.

1540
01:21:29,787 --> 01:21:31,627
Speaker 17: But yeah, that's and obviously you know, you see a

1541
01:21:31,667 --> 01:21:34,947
Speaker 17: lot of images that you could tell AI now, but

1542
01:21:35,267 --> 01:21:38,587
Speaker 17: it's you can easily get fulled by and the AI

1543
01:21:38,827 --> 01:21:41,467
Speaker 17: voices that come out. This is where you have to

1544
01:21:41,507 --> 01:21:45,627
Speaker 17: be extremely careful. And I know it's caused problems before

1545
01:21:45,747 --> 01:21:47,707
Speaker 17: with you know, Fordster is getting hold of it. So

1546
01:21:48,387 --> 01:21:52,347
Speaker 17: you know, I've had an AI voice creator of Christopher

1547
01:21:52,427 --> 01:21:55,227
Speaker 17: Luxon and it's bang on as it bang on.

1548
01:21:55,907 --> 01:21:57,267
Speaker 2: I mean, is this definitely you?

1549
01:22:00,907 --> 01:22:01,907
Speaker 20: Yes, it is me.

1550
01:22:02,507 --> 01:22:07,507
Speaker 17: Jason Pyne right to be Your show is the best

1551
01:22:07,667 --> 01:22:11,187
Speaker 17: in the world. I think no, I mean this is

1552
01:22:11,227 --> 01:22:14,147
Speaker 17: the whole thing. AI. Can you tell Yeah, it's tough.

1553
01:22:14,547 --> 01:22:17,987
Speaker 17: It's tough, but it's going to be interesting in our

1554
01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,467
Speaker 17: industry anyway. Will you get Ai Poney?

1555
01:22:20,947 --> 01:22:24,347
Speaker 2: Look, well, we might, but I'll never get Ai. James mconey,

1556
01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:27,107
Speaker 2: I can assure you of that. Look forward to chatting

1557
01:22:27,147 --> 01:22:30,587
Speaker 2: next Sunday with you or someone who sounds like you.

1558
01:22:31,547 --> 01:22:33,707
Speaker 2: Thanks mate. Seven to two News talks every four to two,

1559
01:22:33,747 --> 01:22:36,187
Speaker 2: Den says Poney. More test cracker next season. I missed

1560
01:22:36,187 --> 01:22:38,667
Speaker 2: the last three months without it, and Hiroki Saka I

1561
01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:41,547
Speaker 2: had time to turn onto us right and smash that

1562
01:22:41,707 --> 01:22:44,347
Speaker 2: ball home the you know, yeah, I'm I get I'm

1563
01:22:44,427 --> 01:22:47,307
Speaker 2: not sure he did. I think it was quite nicely

1564
01:22:47,347 --> 01:22:49,467
Speaker 2: set for his left footed finish. Couldn't quite do it.

1565
01:22:50,747 --> 01:22:54,827
Speaker 2: After two mona pacificat half back Jonathan Thoma, dinner is

1566
01:22:54,867 --> 01:22:57,707
Speaker 2: with us and a black Apps pastballer, Ben says two.

1567
01:23:00,507 --> 01:23:03,347
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1568
01:23:03,787 --> 01:23:08,107
Speaker 1: and afterfield. It's all on James Ford with Jason Paine

1569
01:23:08,747 --> 01:23:10,227
Speaker 1: on your home of sport.

1570
01:23:11,667 --> 01:23:15,067
Speaker 2: Or welcome back, all welcome in seven past two. I'm

1571
01:23:15,107 --> 01:23:17,467
Speaker 2: Jason Pine. This is weekend Sport. And a McDonald's show

1572
01:23:17,507 --> 01:23:21,027
Speaker 2: producer were had till three when Tim Beveridge will barge

1573
01:23:21,107 --> 01:23:24,667
Speaker 2: in and take control of the microphone for the Sunday

1574
01:23:24,827 --> 01:23:27,187
Speaker 2: edition of The Weekend Collector. Before we let that happen

1575
01:23:28,387 --> 01:23:31,427
Speaker 2: quite a bit to cover off US sport state side

1576
01:23:31,667 --> 01:23:35,907
Speaker 2: Leon Busby, a man on Weekend Sport, to update him

1577
01:23:35,907 --> 01:23:38,827
Speaker 2: on all things to do with Major League Baseball, the NBA,

1578
01:23:38,987 --> 01:23:42,427
Speaker 2: March Madness and other things he's with us before three.

1579
01:23:42,947 --> 01:23:48,507
Speaker 2: Ben Sears became yesterday the first New Zealand male cricketer

1580
01:23:48,667 --> 01:23:52,267
Speaker 2: to take consecutive five wicket bags and One Day internationals

1581
01:23:52,907 --> 01:23:55,467
Speaker 2: and it was only his fourth One Day International yesterday.

1582
01:23:55,467 --> 01:23:57,667
Speaker 2: I got five for the other day, five for yesterday.

1583
01:23:58,147 --> 01:24:01,387
Speaker 2: Off to play for Yorkshire in county cricket in the

1584
01:24:01,427 --> 01:24:04,507
Speaker 2: next little while. Ben Sears joins us this hour very shortly.

1585
01:24:04,867 --> 01:24:09,787
Speaker 2: We're inside the more wineupc camp after back to back

1586
01:24:09,907 --> 01:24:12,547
Speaker 2: victories for them for the first time ever, beating the

1587
01:24:12,587 --> 01:24:15,027
Speaker 2: Warratars yesterday. As I say, I left at half time

1588
01:24:15,147 --> 01:24:17,547
Speaker 2: yesterday about three o'clock when I left yesterday and they

1589
01:24:17,587 --> 01:24:20,947
Speaker 2: were down twenty one to seven, ended up winning it

1590
01:24:21,747 --> 01:24:26,787
Speaker 2: forty five twenty eighths or something. Stupid what on earth

1591
01:24:27,027 --> 01:24:31,427
Speaker 2: was said at halftime Jonathan Tomatina they're halfback. Will shed

1592
01:24:31,507 --> 01:24:34,267
Speaker 2: some light on that shortly and actually keen to talk

1593
01:24:34,307 --> 01:24:38,707
Speaker 2: about the hearts and minds of Auckland sports fans. James

1594
01:24:38,787 --> 01:24:41,827
Speaker 2: mcconey touched on it in his slot before two. But

1595
01:24:43,187 --> 01:24:46,467
Speaker 2: where are the hearts and minds of Auckland sports fans

1596
01:24:46,547 --> 01:24:52,107
Speaker 2: right now? The Blues, Mawana PACIFICA, the Warriors, Auckland FC.

1597
01:24:53,347 --> 01:24:56,587
Speaker 2: There's a lot of jockeying for position. There's only so

1598
01:24:56,747 --> 01:25:00,667
Speaker 2: much discretionary income. We can talk a bit about that

1599
01:25:00,707 --> 01:25:03,387
Speaker 2: as well, and the other Super Rugby games too, Blues

1600
01:25:03,427 --> 01:25:06,027
Speaker 2: getting up over the Hurricanes by a point, the Crusaders

1601
01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:10,027
Speaker 2: finally winning in Fiji after a long time not being

1602
01:25:10,067 --> 01:25:12,947
Speaker 2: able to do that. The Highlanders, what's happened to the Islanders?

1603
01:25:14,707 --> 01:25:17,547
Speaker 2: What's happened to the Highlanders? I thought they were going

1604
01:25:17,627 --> 01:25:22,107
Speaker 2: to be better this year. Anyway, we can cover all

1605
01:25:22,147 --> 01:25:24,267
Speaker 2: that off phones are open, oh, eight hundred and eighty

1606
01:25:24,347 --> 01:25:28,227
Speaker 2: ten eighty nine one text and if it's an email,

1607
01:25:28,387 --> 01:25:31,587
Speaker 2: Jason at Newstalk SDB dot co dot nz. But as

1608
01:25:31,667 --> 01:25:34,587
Speaker 2: we tick past nine past two, as we like to

1609
01:25:34,627 --> 01:25:36,347
Speaker 2: do at this time on weekend, sport. Let's get you

1610
01:25:36,467 --> 01:25:37,627
Speaker 2: up to date with some of the stuff that you

1611
01:25:37,747 --> 01:25:40,067
Speaker 2: might have missed. Heaps are sport going on at the moment.

1612
01:25:40,147 --> 01:25:42,587
Speaker 2: You can't possibly stay up to date with all of it.

1613
01:25:43,067 --> 01:25:46,747
Speaker 2: So thankfully we've got this feature which helps you do that.

1614
01:25:47,027 --> 01:25:52,187
Speaker 2: In case you missed it. Upsets galore in the NRL

1615
01:25:52,347 --> 01:25:55,827
Speaker 2: last night the Eels. The Eels had to win their

1616
01:25:55,867 --> 01:26:00,027
Speaker 2: first of the season's lighted fronts zachl maps.

1617
01:25:59,787 --> 01:26:01,267
Speaker 6: To help the.

1618
01:26:06,987 --> 01:26:11,507
Speaker 2: Father Dragon now hands his coats another form of dragon.

1619
01:26:12,147 --> 01:26:15,587
Speaker 3: Their first wins as Paramounta Reels.

1620
01:26:15,547 --> 01:26:18,947
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five and a twenty three twenty two

1621
01:26:19,387 --> 01:26:21,987
Speaker 2: over the Dragons and Golden Point and the Dolphins. The

1622
01:26:22,147 --> 01:26:25,427
Speaker 2: Dolphins followed suit they got their first one of the season.

1623
01:26:25,587 --> 01:26:31,667
Speaker 15: So peety Cat don't have a on asaco Now you celebrate.

1624
01:26:34,507 --> 01:26:40,507
Speaker 8: Whatever handshake you God produce it now, Clippers going off

1625
01:26:40,907 --> 01:26:43,067
Speaker 8: the Dolphins and Speig.

1626
01:26:42,707 --> 01:26:45,427
Speaker 2: Winners here on the golf game, they steamrolled the Titan

1627
01:26:45,627 --> 01:26:50,867
Speaker 2: thirty sixteen, but the Broncos returned some normal programming to

1628
01:26:50,987 --> 01:26:55,027
Speaker 2: the NRL roster last night. It goes i'st throwing into

1629
01:26:57,987 --> 01:27:04,507
Speaker 2: the turning Rockers scorers this turning and turn it on.

1630
01:27:04,707 --> 01:27:07,387
Speaker 2: There he had the Broncos smashing the West Tiger's forty

1631
01:27:07,547 --> 01:27:11,787
Speaker 2: six twenty four. Let's go to super rugby out Western Perth.

1632
01:27:12,067 --> 01:27:14,947
Speaker 2: The Western Force improved their position to fourth.

1633
01:27:15,067 --> 01:27:18,307
Speaker 8: Nick White left running ball out into the center field

1634
01:27:18,387 --> 01:27:21,227
Speaker 8: at Joe's it's with Will Harris, Will Harris to Ben

1635
01:27:21,307 --> 01:27:26,107
Speaker 8: Donaldson to Harry Potter and Harry Potter it's going to

1636
01:27:26,227 --> 01:27:28,827
Speaker 8: score in the left hand corner and they hit.

1637
01:27:28,667 --> 01:27:29,227
Speaker 6: In the fronts.

1638
01:27:29,867 --> 01:27:33,827
Speaker 2: Malcolm Jordan loved saying Harry Potter's name. Twenty nine to twenty.

1639
01:27:34,587 --> 01:27:36,827
Speaker 2: The Force winners over the Highlanders in the Premier League,

1640
01:27:37,027 --> 01:27:39,547
Speaker 2: a rare loss for Nottingham Forest against a ramp and

1641
01:27:39,627 --> 01:27:44,587
Speaker 2: tastin Villa Matson testing toass Yets and there's gold.

1642
01:27:46,187 --> 01:27:49,627
Speaker 3: It's it's many minutes from Runton Tascander.

1643
01:27:49,987 --> 01:27:56,507
Speaker 2: Wow, brilliant football to wondervelop as they stay in touching

1644
01:27:56,587 --> 01:27:59,867
Speaker 2: distance of Champions League qualification and close to the home.

1645
01:27:59,947 --> 01:28:03,547
Speaker 2: A small speed bump for Open FC. They drew the

1646
01:28:03,587 --> 01:28:07,627
Speaker 2: Western Sydney Wanderers, but still stay well at the top

1647
01:28:07,667 --> 01:28:12,667
Speaker 2: of the A League ladder. Quickly Milanovitch Nicholas.

1648
01:28:14,987 --> 01:28:16,467
Speaker 20: Area Era.

1649
01:28:17,747 --> 01:28:18,907
Speaker 21: From the Alex.

1650
01:28:18,627 --> 01:28:24,907
Speaker 1: Tolson and Nicholas Balmanovitch eleven goals for the season. Now

1651
01:28:26,907 --> 01:28:29,507
Speaker 1: the scoot from the track fields and the court on

1652
01:28:29,667 --> 01:28:34,067
Speaker 1: your homes Sports Weekend Sport with Jason talks.

1653
01:28:33,947 --> 01:28:36,867
Speaker 2: Me twelve minutes past two, Let's talk some Super rugby.

1654
01:28:36,947 --> 01:28:40,587
Speaker 2: Majana Pacifica have won back to back Super Rugby matches

1655
01:28:40,987 --> 01:28:43,627
Speaker 2: for the first time in their history. Slader, who's had

1656
01:28:43,627 --> 01:28:44,067
Speaker 2: a good game?

1657
01:28:44,107 --> 01:28:47,427
Speaker 3: Onto Tyler, Oh my goodness made another's gone away?

1658
01:28:47,787 --> 01:28:50,427
Speaker 2: So me see two both Dayla straight.

1659
01:28:50,227 --> 01:28:54,347
Speaker 3: Through passport offenders and the number eight dots down the

1660
01:28:54,507 --> 01:28:57,947
Speaker 3: crowd of loving it times up, there goes the honah

1661
01:28:58,547 --> 01:29:02,387
Speaker 3: and the touch from Paleguini and the WAA have won back.

1662
01:29:02,267 --> 01:29:03,547
Speaker 20: To back Super Rugby.

1663
01:29:03,347 --> 01:29:05,667
Speaker 3: Games for the first time in franchise history.

1664
01:29:05,987 --> 01:29:07,947
Speaker 14: They what's the task in.

1665
01:29:08,027 --> 01:29:12,307
Speaker 3: The second half to win forty five twenty eight at

1666
01:29:12,387 --> 01:29:13,387
Speaker 3: North Harber Stadium.

1667
01:29:13,507 --> 01:29:16,067
Speaker 2: Our magnificent call from Nathan Limb on the game yesterday.

1668
01:29:16,067 --> 01:29:19,787
Speaker 2: After their thrilling victory over the Crusaders last weekend, Majauna

1669
01:29:19,827 --> 01:29:22,707
Speaker 2: Pacifica have comeback from twenty one to seven down at

1670
01:29:22,747 --> 01:29:26,867
Speaker 2: halftime to score six second half tries and run out

1671
01:29:26,907 --> 01:29:29,667
Speaker 2: winners by forty five points to twenty eight over the

1672
01:29:29,707 --> 01:29:33,987
Speaker 2: Waratars at Albany joining the show by Maana Pacifica halfback

1673
01:29:34,107 --> 01:29:37,867
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tomatin. There, Jonathan, thanks for taking our call this afternoon.

1674
01:29:37,987 --> 01:29:40,627
Speaker 2: Back to back wins for the first time in franchise

1675
01:29:40,787 --> 01:29:43,547
Speaker 2: history for Mouna Pacifica. How big a result is this

1676
01:29:43,707 --> 01:29:44,147
Speaker 2: for the team?

1677
01:29:45,427 --> 01:29:46,867
Speaker 12: Thanks? Thanks having me on.

1678
01:29:48,347 --> 01:29:49,387
Speaker 20: Yeah, the victory, yes, it was.

1679
01:29:50,427 --> 01:29:52,707
Speaker 12: What's the mess for us? We always see we haven't

1680
01:29:52,747 --> 01:29:56,907
Speaker 12: done back to back ever, Roisa, to get Devin with

1681
01:29:56,987 --> 01:29:58,787
Speaker 12: the belt and to be able to throw it in

1682
01:29:58,867 --> 01:30:01,107
Speaker 12: front of our people with a maybe after the.

1683
01:30:01,107 --> 01:30:03,267
Speaker 2: Win over the Crusaderes last week, I guess there would

1684
01:30:03,267 --> 01:30:05,347
Speaker 2: have been the potential to get a bit carried away.

1685
01:30:05,747 --> 01:30:08,067
Speaker 2: How important was it that you you backed up what

1686
01:30:08,187 --> 01:30:10,547
Speaker 2: you did last weekend back at home yesterday.

1687
01:30:11,787 --> 01:30:14,467
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's funny you said there, because Fan I was

1688
01:30:14,507 --> 01:30:16,707
Speaker 12: real big on the boys just being grounded after I

1689
01:30:16,747 --> 01:30:19,827
Speaker 12: think when last week I made it clear on Monday

1690
01:30:19,907 --> 01:30:23,507
Speaker 12: that we better stay on because we needed the war

1691
01:30:23,627 --> 01:30:26,307
Speaker 12: times were going to bust the very fast to be

1692
01:30:26,427 --> 01:30:30,347
Speaker 12: able to stay on and they got the windows to

1693
01:30:30,427 --> 01:30:31,947
Speaker 12: leave your horseless Yeah.

1694
01:30:31,987 --> 01:30:34,587
Speaker 2: You were twenty one seven down though at halftime, So

1695
01:30:34,747 --> 01:30:35,867
Speaker 2: how was Tanner at the break?

1696
01:30:38,107 --> 01:30:40,427
Speaker 12: It was true, he was true. We kind of knew that.

1697
01:30:41,867 --> 01:30:45,467
Speaker 12: We kind of knew, like fourteen points down, we didn't

1698
01:30:45,467 --> 01:30:47,667
Speaker 12: really play rugby in the first half. We're pretty much

1699
01:30:47,707 --> 01:30:50,027
Speaker 12: on the defensive end. And when we did have a

1700
01:30:50,107 --> 01:30:52,587
Speaker 12: chance in the first half, we just one pass away

1701
01:30:52,587 --> 01:30:55,027
Speaker 12: from scoring points. So we knew were in it. We

1702
01:30:55,187 --> 01:30:57,507
Speaker 12: just needed a great start and hold onto the ball.

1703
01:30:58,267 --> 01:31:00,307
Speaker 2: And was that the main thing that changed in the

1704
01:31:00,387 --> 01:31:02,867
Speaker 2: second half? You know it was it was night and

1705
01:31:03,027 --> 01:31:05,467
Speaker 2: day in terms of you know, ball in hand for

1706
01:31:05,547 --> 01:31:07,707
Speaker 2: you guys and boring the points. Was that the main

1707
01:31:07,827 --> 01:31:09,187
Speaker 2: thing that changed after the break?

1708
01:31:10,427 --> 01:31:13,627
Speaker 12: Yeah, pretty much. I mean for our team that that

1709
01:31:13,747 --> 01:31:15,907
Speaker 12: belief was always there is pretty massive in our group,

1710
01:31:16,427 --> 01:31:18,667
Speaker 12: and we knew what we could do and the players

1711
01:31:18,707 --> 01:31:21,507
Speaker 12: we had in our team, we had some great leaders

1712
01:31:21,547 --> 01:31:23,987
Speaker 12: idea as well at times, so we just needed to

1713
01:31:24,027 --> 01:31:24,747
Speaker 12: hold onto the ball.

1714
01:31:26,027 --> 01:31:30,227
Speaker 2: And you are the competition's leading points scorers two hundred

1715
01:31:30,227 --> 01:31:33,027
Speaker 2: and seventy four. Now in your seven games forty tries

1716
01:31:33,667 --> 01:31:35,787
Speaker 2: in seven games. Can you give us some insight into

1717
01:31:36,587 --> 01:31:39,867
Speaker 2: the attack strategy and and why it is so successful?

1718
01:31:41,907 --> 01:31:45,827
Speaker 12: Oh man, a lot of points. I mean, well, well,

1719
01:31:45,907 --> 01:31:50,027
Speaker 12: pretty massive on getting one on ones. So I think

1720
01:31:50,427 --> 01:31:54,347
Speaker 12: that's part of our super powers as Polynesians. So as

1721
01:31:54,387 --> 01:31:56,307
Speaker 12: long as you hold the ball on and get it

1722
01:31:56,387 --> 01:32:00,467
Speaker 12: to the people who it's pretty dangerous out wide, and

1723
01:32:00,547 --> 01:32:02,507
Speaker 12: then our big fours is doing your work up front

1724
01:32:03,067 --> 01:32:06,067
Speaker 12: or they did be scoring off to all that can

1725
01:32:06,107 --> 01:32:06,827
Speaker 12: go on the fourth.

1726
01:32:07,227 --> 01:32:11,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had had Tanner on the show last week

1727
01:32:11,387 --> 01:32:13,507
Speaker 2: actually after the Crusaders game, and he said that, you know,

1728
01:32:13,667 --> 01:32:15,867
Speaker 2: he was doing his best to try and blend the

1729
01:32:15,947 --> 01:32:18,147
Speaker 2: Polynesian flair that you've just talked about there with a

1730
01:32:18,467 --> 01:32:21,187
Speaker 2: greater structure around the way that you play the game

1731
01:32:21,907 --> 01:32:24,547
Speaker 2: consistently across eighty minutes. Is that something that that he

1732
01:32:24,707 --> 01:32:27,747
Speaker 2: is enforcing or you know, imposing on you as well

1733
01:32:27,827 --> 01:32:28,227
Speaker 2: to try.

1734
01:32:28,107 --> 01:32:32,787
Speaker 12: And do Yes, definitely. I mean we knew you always

1735
01:32:32,827 --> 01:32:34,947
Speaker 12: love a bit of razzle and bring our Polly Flevor

1736
01:32:35,027 --> 01:32:38,347
Speaker 12: and but they're still harbord to be hunters. So it

1737
01:32:38,427 --> 01:32:40,947
Speaker 12: all for us to score points and bring on the

1738
01:32:41,147 --> 01:32:43,547
Speaker 12: police say that we have we we firstly have to

1739
01:32:43,627 --> 01:32:45,587
Speaker 12: work hard and we call it them one and real quick.

1740
01:32:46,827 --> 01:32:49,227
Speaker 2: It's also you know, as well as scoring points, you

1741
01:32:49,307 --> 01:32:52,267
Speaker 2: have conceded a few as well. So does defense continue

1742
01:32:52,747 --> 01:32:54,267
Speaker 2: to be a work on for the team.

1743
01:32:55,707 --> 01:33:01,947
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's it's just like we were heavily focused on

1744
01:33:02,067 --> 01:33:04,627
Speaker 12: our our defense. But it's just a little moments where

1745
01:33:04,667 --> 01:33:08,267
Speaker 12: we switch off because take breaks. I guess I'm a

1746
01:33:08,307 --> 01:33:11,547
Speaker 12: few of that why and then that's more leading points

1747
01:33:11,627 --> 01:33:13,187
Speaker 12: in it. We're just goin to stay.

1748
01:33:14,987 --> 01:33:18,467
Speaker 2: Now, what about your big front rower felt with a

1749
01:33:18,547 --> 01:33:20,707
Speaker 2: hat trick of tries? Has he stopped talking about that?

1750
01:33:22,907 --> 01:33:23,067
Speaker 7: Man?

1751
01:33:23,107 --> 01:33:26,747
Speaker 12: I think as assignment was to get and I think

1752
01:33:26,787 --> 01:33:28,587
Speaker 12: that's why just went hard looking for the wall.

1753
01:33:32,267 --> 01:33:34,427
Speaker 2: It was awesome. What about the nine ten combo that

1754
01:33:34,547 --> 01:33:36,987
Speaker 2: you're starting to develop with Patrick Pellegrini, can you talk

1755
01:33:37,027 --> 01:33:38,867
Speaker 2: a bit about about how much you're enjoying that.

1756
01:33:40,627 --> 01:33:43,747
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's pretty razily man. So all I'm trying to

1757
01:33:43,787 --> 01:33:45,907
Speaker 12: do is put the ball in front of him and

1758
01:33:46,307 --> 01:33:48,227
Speaker 12: just just listen to what he wants to do. And yeah,

1759
01:33:48,307 --> 01:33:50,427
Speaker 12: let him do a thing. I mean he's been, he's

1760
01:33:50,467 --> 01:33:51,347
Speaker 12: been sharply he so.

1761
01:33:52,827 --> 01:33:54,267
Speaker 1: Yeah, and have you.

1762
01:33:54,307 --> 01:33:56,547
Speaker 2: Gotten used to barking orders at Ardie Savier?

1763
01:33:56,667 --> 01:33:56,827
Speaker 16: Yet?

1764
01:33:59,867 --> 01:34:02,267
Speaker 12: For me, I'm doing it in my head. I'm doing

1765
01:34:02,307 --> 01:34:02,827
Speaker 12: it in my head.

1766
01:34:04,867 --> 01:34:08,067
Speaker 2: Oh man, But I don't know whether this is true.

1767
01:34:08,067 --> 01:34:09,547
Speaker 2: You might be tell us, but it has to be

1768
01:34:09,667 --> 01:34:12,067
Speaker 2: like a guy like Addie Savilla would want his half

1769
01:34:12,147 --> 01:34:14,787
Speaker 2: back to be in constant communication, wouldn't he.

1770
01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:18,067
Speaker 12: Yeah, i'mtty. I'm pretty close with for him, so I

1771
01:34:18,107 --> 01:34:21,507
Speaker 12: guess that allows me to all them a little bit.

1772
01:34:21,827 --> 01:34:24,387
Speaker 12: But I just gotta what it is. There's always very nice.

1773
01:34:26,827 --> 01:34:28,027
Speaker 12: So you've been good.

1774
01:34:28,707 --> 01:34:30,427
Speaker 2: How big has influence been on this team?

1775
01:34:32,467 --> 01:34:36,467
Speaker 12: It's real what he can do and especially a leader,

1776
01:34:37,027 --> 01:34:38,907
Speaker 12: and if you'll see what he can do on field far,

1777
01:34:38,947 --> 01:34:42,027
Speaker 12: I think it's more the off field. It's really fun

1778
01:34:42,147 --> 01:34:45,787
Speaker 12: the way our boys are playing at the moment. He's

1779
01:34:45,787 --> 01:34:46,787
Speaker 12: a leader for us.

1780
01:34:47,427 --> 01:34:49,067
Speaker 2: What about you, J So you've been around the game

1781
01:34:49,067 --> 01:34:51,747
Speaker 2: for a while or remember during your Hurricanes stays and

1782
01:34:52,027 --> 01:34:54,667
Speaker 2: and you know you've you've played with a rugby. How

1783
01:34:54,787 --> 01:34:57,147
Speaker 2: much are you enjoying it at the moment with Mona

1784
01:34:57,147 --> 01:34:59,547
Speaker 2: Pacifica compared to you know, the rugby you've played across

1785
01:34:59,587 --> 01:34:59,987
Speaker 2: your career.

1786
01:35:01,027 --> 01:35:04,387
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I'm really enjoying it right now, just

1787
01:35:04,467 --> 01:35:08,227
Speaker 12: being around our people because obviously pretty pretty big here

1788
01:35:09,227 --> 01:35:14,387
Speaker 12: and just to just be able to help out and

1789
01:35:14,507 --> 01:35:18,187
Speaker 12: to see where this team is now compared to three

1790
01:35:18,347 --> 01:35:21,627
Speaker 12: years ago, it's it's amazing. I'm just happy to be

1791
01:35:21,667 --> 01:35:22,147
Speaker 12: a part of it.

1792
01:35:22,467 --> 01:35:25,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're you're ideally placed to talk about

1793
01:35:25,227 --> 01:35:27,147
Speaker 2: the development and the progress. As you say, you've been

1794
01:35:27,187 --> 01:35:29,627
Speaker 2: there since day one. You know when it when it

1795
01:35:29,707 --> 01:35:33,507
Speaker 2: first started, did you always feel as though the progress

1796
01:35:33,507 --> 01:35:35,747
Speaker 2: would come, even though you know early on the winds

1797
01:35:35,827 --> 01:35:37,947
Speaker 2: weren't coming. Did you always feel like days like yesterday

1798
01:35:37,987 --> 01:35:39,507
Speaker 2: and last week would come?

1799
01:35:41,867 --> 01:35:44,627
Speaker 12: Undred percent of belief was always there. We just knew

1800
01:35:45,187 --> 01:35:47,747
Speaker 12: that every movement's going to take a take a while

1801
01:35:47,827 --> 01:35:50,427
Speaker 12: to take off. And it's so good to see that

1802
01:35:50,667 --> 01:35:53,227
Speaker 12: we were starting to put things together now and starting

1803
01:35:53,267 --> 01:35:53,907
Speaker 12: to get more wins.

1804
01:35:54,747 --> 01:35:57,947
Speaker 2: And the Blues next Eden Park next Saturday. That's going

1805
01:35:58,027 --> 01:35:59,867
Speaker 2: to be like a home game for you guys, isn't.

1806
01:35:59,667 --> 01:36:03,187
Speaker 12: It pretty much? Pretty much? I guess.

1807
01:36:04,507 --> 01:36:06,547
Speaker 2: I mean, I can imagine. Man, you'll have your people

1808
01:36:06,587 --> 01:36:07,507
Speaker 2: turning up for that, won't you.

1809
01:36:08,667 --> 01:36:09,547
Speaker 20: It'll be so cool.

1810
01:36:09,627 --> 01:36:10,627
Speaker 12: Yeah, it'll be so cool.

1811
01:36:11,547 --> 01:36:13,867
Speaker 2: All right, Well, enjoy the weekend or the rest of it. JT.

1812
01:36:14,027 --> 01:36:15,987
Speaker 2: Good to get the chance to catch up with you.

1813
01:36:16,107 --> 01:36:18,627
Speaker 2: Congratulations on a terrific performance from the team yesterday and

1814
01:36:18,627 --> 01:36:20,507
Speaker 2: all the best for the week ahead as you're planning

1815
01:36:20,547 --> 01:36:20,987
Speaker 2: for the Blues.

1816
01:36:22,267 --> 01:36:23,947
Speaker 12: Thank you so much. Thanks having me on again.

1817
01:36:24,107 --> 01:36:27,067
Speaker 2: No, thank you JT for joining us. Jonathan Tomotin, they're there.

1818
01:36:27,147 --> 01:36:31,067
Speaker 2: The halfback from Maaia Pacifica has started every game this season.

1819
01:36:31,227 --> 01:36:34,387
Speaker 2: Maaina Pacifica are real. They are a real team now.

1820
01:36:35,107 --> 01:36:39,307
Speaker 2: They could make the six, they really could. You look

1821
01:36:39,307 --> 01:36:42,347
Speaker 2: at the table at the moment, they're currently eighth, but

1822
01:36:42,467 --> 01:36:46,067
Speaker 2: there are only two points behind the Waratars, so they're

1823
01:36:46,107 --> 01:36:50,267
Speaker 2: a win behind. It's really tight. So Chiefs twenty six,

1824
01:36:50,347 --> 01:36:54,307
Speaker 2: Crusaders twenty four Reds twenty three Force twenty Brumby's nineteen,

1825
01:36:54,387 --> 01:36:58,467
Speaker 2: Waratars seventeen, Hurricanes and Mina Pacific are both fifteen. Then

1826
01:36:58,547 --> 01:37:01,387
Speaker 2: Highlanders twelve, Blues eleven Fijan Drew have been the only

1827
01:37:01,467 --> 01:37:05,067
Speaker 2: real disappointment really of this season. Down in last place

1828
01:37:05,147 --> 01:37:09,507
Speaker 2: with seven points, Pacifica could absolutely make the top six.

1829
01:37:10,307 --> 01:37:13,547
Speaker 2: They've got the Blues next Saturday at Eden Park four

1830
01:37:13,587 --> 01:37:17,307
Speaker 2: point thirty five kickoff. What a contest that promises to be.

1831
01:37:17,947 --> 01:37:19,987
Speaker 2: The Blues getting a bit of their mojo back last

1832
01:37:20,107 --> 01:37:23,987
Speaker 2: night beating the Hurricanes, so there, I guess they'll think

1833
01:37:24,107 --> 01:37:27,627
Speaker 2: back on track. Maana Pacifica could easily go to Eden

1834
01:37:27,667 --> 01:37:29,667
Speaker 2: Park and win that game on the events of the

1835
01:37:29,747 --> 01:37:32,987
Speaker 2: last two weekends, and I'll be so interested to see

1836
01:37:33,827 --> 01:37:37,187
Speaker 2: where the weight of support on the day is because

1837
01:37:37,227 --> 01:37:42,227
Speaker 2: it feels to me as though the Miner Pacifica fan

1838
01:37:42,387 --> 01:37:46,987
Speaker 2: base will mobilize themselves for this game next Saturday. I

1839
01:37:47,427 --> 01:37:51,547
Speaker 2: don't know, I could be way off here, but I

1840
01:37:51,667 --> 01:37:54,587
Speaker 2: reckon there'll be more people at that ground cheering for

1841
01:37:54,707 --> 01:37:57,227
Speaker 2: more Onner Pacifica than there will be for the Blues.

1842
01:37:57,467 --> 01:38:01,387
Speaker 2: I mean it's across town Darby basically. In fact, you know,

1843
01:38:01,787 --> 01:38:06,267
Speaker 2: Mina Pacifica have got a big fan base in South Auckland, haven't,

1844
01:38:06,587 --> 01:38:09,067
Speaker 2: so they actually don't have to go as far to

1845
01:38:09,147 --> 01:38:11,867
Speaker 2: get to eat Eden Park compared to Albany, where they've

1846
01:38:11,867 --> 01:38:14,467
Speaker 2: been playing their home games. So mine to Pacifico. They've

1847
01:38:14,507 --> 01:38:17,747
Speaker 2: got the Blues next week, then they welcome the Brumbies

1848
01:38:17,787 --> 01:38:20,827
Speaker 2: now that game is at Pooka Coe, then the Fijian

1849
01:38:20,907 --> 01:38:24,907
Speaker 2: drewer back at Albany. May is a little bit trickier

1850
01:38:24,987 --> 01:38:27,427
Speaker 2: for them. They travel to Dunedin to take on the Highlanders,

1851
01:38:27,987 --> 01:38:30,187
Speaker 2: then they have the Blues and the return fixture at

1852
01:38:30,227 --> 01:38:33,427
Speaker 2: Albany and then away against the Chiefs and the Hurricanes

1853
01:38:33,467 --> 01:38:39,187
Speaker 2: to finish the season. That is tough. So the next month,

1854
01:38:39,427 --> 01:38:42,507
Speaker 2: the month of April could be quite pivotal for them

1855
01:38:43,427 --> 01:38:47,787
Speaker 2: and on just on the sporting landscape in Auckland. I've

1856
01:38:47,907 --> 01:38:52,107
Speaker 2: spent a little bit of time here recently commentating Auckland

1857
01:38:52,227 --> 01:38:56,747
Speaker 2: FC games and the battle for the hearts and the

1858
01:38:56,907 --> 01:39:02,627
Speaker 2: minds and crucially the wallets of sports fans in Auckland

1859
01:39:03,507 --> 01:39:07,107
Speaker 2: is well and truly on because right now there are

1860
01:39:07,267 --> 01:39:12,227
Speaker 2: four elite men's sports teams playing in our biggest city

1861
01:39:12,267 --> 01:39:18,747
Speaker 2: at the same time, Blues, Mawana Pacifica, Warriors, Auckland FC

1862
01:39:19,187 --> 01:39:22,667
Speaker 2: and most people. Most people can't afford to go to

1863
01:39:22,747 --> 01:39:27,507
Speaker 2: them all. They have to make a choice now go

1864
01:39:27,747 --> 01:39:33,187
Speaker 2: Media Stadium yesterday was absolutely jumping for that Auckland FC game.

1865
01:39:33,347 --> 01:39:36,107
Speaker 2: It's great there anyway, but yesterday it just felt to

1866
01:39:36,147 --> 01:39:38,747
Speaker 2: me when I got there and during the game that

1867
01:39:38,907 --> 01:39:42,507
Speaker 2: it had gone up another level. The fizz inside that

1868
01:39:42,667 --> 01:39:45,667
Speaker 2: place was incredible. It's the same with the Warriors, isn't it.

1869
01:39:45,827 --> 01:39:51,267
Speaker 2: When they play there, They've found the formula for selling

1870
01:39:51,347 --> 01:39:55,307
Speaker 2: out that place and engaging with their community. Mawana Pacifica

1871
01:39:55,387 --> 01:39:58,107
Speaker 2: yesterday out at Albany. I only saw it on television obviously,

1872
01:39:59,227 --> 01:40:01,147
Speaker 2: but it looked as though there was an atmosphere going

1873
01:40:01,227 --> 01:40:04,227
Speaker 2: on there as Mowana Pacifica connect with their fan base,

1874
01:40:04,347 --> 01:40:08,747
Speaker 2: even at a slightly unlikely venue of North Harborial for honest.

1875
01:40:10,267 --> 01:40:14,067
Speaker 2: And then the Blues Eden Park last night, one of

1876
01:40:14,147 --> 01:40:18,027
Speaker 2: the marquee fixtures in any Super Rugby season Blues v

1877
01:40:18,187 --> 01:40:21,427
Speaker 2: Hurricanes and I don't know how many were there eight

1878
01:40:21,467 --> 01:40:24,387
Speaker 2: on one thousand and he went along to boost the

1879
01:40:24,507 --> 01:40:29,187
Speaker 2: numbers and the bar take no doubt at eden Park

1880
01:40:29,267 --> 01:40:31,507
Speaker 2: last night. How many would there have been at eden

1881
01:40:31,547 --> 01:40:32,227
Speaker 2: Park last night?

1882
01:40:32,507 --> 01:40:34,947
Speaker 22: Cap it at eight thousand, which made it a pretty

1883
01:40:34,987 --> 01:40:37,107
Speaker 22: quick trip through the bars, to be honest.

1884
01:40:36,907 --> 01:40:41,667
Speaker 2: Well that's the upside, but eight thousand in that cavenous stadium,

1885
01:40:41,707 --> 01:40:43,107
Speaker 2: it's hard to get an atmosphere.

1886
01:40:42,707 --> 01:40:45,387
Speaker 22: Gone as a I don't want to be too critical,

1887
01:40:45,467 --> 01:40:48,347
Speaker 22: but it was a pretty dour environment to be in

1888
01:40:49,307 --> 01:40:52,867
Speaker 22: and unfortunately it was a pretty the Super Rugby's being

1889
01:40:52,947 --> 01:40:56,907
Speaker 22: fantastic the games and that was unfortunately fell fell way

1890
01:40:56,987 --> 01:41:00,107
Speaker 22: short of the mark entertainment wise than most other games

1891
01:41:00,547 --> 01:41:03,907
Speaker 22: the season. But that happens, granted, but it just a

1892
01:41:04,067 --> 01:41:08,067
Speaker 22: lot of unfortunate things all came together to deliver what

1893
01:41:08,267 --> 01:41:11,427
Speaker 22: was ultimately a pretty ordinary occasion. Unfortunately.

1894
01:41:11,747 --> 01:41:15,867
Speaker 2: See I think the standard of the rugby has been

1895
01:41:16,667 --> 01:41:21,067
Speaker 2: really really good, really really good. The standard of Super Rugby,

1896
01:41:21,147 --> 01:41:24,587
Speaker 2: the jeopardy, the contest that we're getting, not knowing from

1897
01:41:24,667 --> 01:41:27,227
Speaker 2: week to week who is going to beat who, and

1898
01:41:27,587 --> 01:41:32,587
Speaker 2: we had some more examples of that yesterday is excellent.

1899
01:41:32,667 --> 01:41:35,107
Speaker 2: The level of the rugby is excellent, and the television

1900
01:41:35,147 --> 01:41:37,947
Speaker 2: coverage as well, and I think what we provide on

1901
01:41:38,067 --> 01:41:41,107
Speaker 2: Gold Sport and iHeartRadio as well is very very good too.

1902
01:41:42,387 --> 01:41:44,467
Speaker 2: But it just seems to me as though the Blues,

1903
01:41:44,787 --> 01:41:48,027
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just doesn't feel comparative to the

1904
01:41:48,147 --> 01:41:51,427
Speaker 2: Warriors and to Auckland FC and even to Mawana PACIFICA.

1905
01:41:51,827 --> 01:41:54,107
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like they've quite connected with the fan

1906
01:41:54,267 --> 01:41:59,387
Speaker 2: base and provided the match day vibe or experience that

1907
01:41:59,467 --> 01:42:03,947
Speaker 2: you get at the other places. Like I say, it's

1908
01:42:04,027 --> 01:42:08,387
Speaker 2: not a code bash here because the rugby it's compelling.

1909
01:42:08,467 --> 01:42:11,867
Speaker 2: I hardly miss a game of Super Rugby now. I'll

1910
01:42:11,867 --> 01:42:13,387
Speaker 2: watch every game and if I can't watch it live,

1911
01:42:13,427 --> 01:42:15,747
Speaker 2: I'll watch it back, not just because I have to

1912
01:42:15,827 --> 01:42:18,547
Speaker 2: for the job, but because I want to. I want

1913
01:42:18,627 --> 01:42:22,987
Speaker 2: to watch Super Rugby, but for an on the day experience.

1914
01:42:24,547 --> 01:42:28,787
Speaker 2: It's night and day between an Auckland FC game and

1915
01:42:28,947 --> 01:42:32,027
Speaker 2: a Blues game. And yes, the kickoff time is another thing.

1916
01:42:32,307 --> 01:42:34,227
Speaker 2: Auckland f C have nailed it with the five o'clock

1917
01:42:34,307 --> 01:42:38,907
Speaker 2: keke offs, perfect perfect time. But if you haven't been

1918
01:42:38,947 --> 01:42:43,227
Speaker 2: to a game, honestly go along and then you know

1919
01:42:43,307 --> 01:42:45,347
Speaker 2: you tell me what you think. And for those of

1920
01:42:45,387 --> 01:42:47,267
Speaker 2: you who have gone, I know you're sold on it.

1921
01:42:47,787 --> 01:42:49,747
Speaker 2: The number of people who say they go to an

1922
01:42:49,747 --> 01:42:51,987
Speaker 2: Auckland f C game for the first time and then

1923
01:42:52,667 --> 01:42:54,227
Speaker 2: as soon as they've been there ten minutes, when can

1924
01:42:54,267 --> 01:42:57,387
Speaker 2: we come again? Hem for your thoughts? Oh eight hundred

1925
01:42:57,387 --> 01:42:59,747
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine, two, nine to two on

1926
01:42:59,907 --> 01:43:02,507
Speaker 2: text just before you move, I look ahead to what's

1927
01:43:02,667 --> 01:43:06,107
Speaker 2: on the agenda next weekend in Super Rugby? What are

1928
01:43:06,107 --> 01:43:08,307
Speaker 2: we up to Round nine? I think it is round nine,

1929
01:43:08,387 --> 01:43:10,387
Speaker 2: not that that really matters. I think we're halfway through,

1930
01:43:10,907 --> 01:43:13,227
Speaker 2: aren't we. In terms of games played for most of

1931
01:43:13,267 --> 01:43:15,547
Speaker 2: the teams, there are fourteen games in the season. Most

1932
01:43:15,627 --> 01:43:19,587
Speaker 2: teams have played seven, So Round nine starts next Friday

1933
01:43:19,667 --> 01:43:23,027
Speaker 2: night or this coming Friday night. Hurricanes Crusaders another Big

1934
01:43:23,067 --> 01:43:26,707
Speaker 2: one Sky Stadium, followed by Warata's Chiefs. That's your Friday night.

1935
01:43:27,067 --> 01:43:29,787
Speaker 2: Then on Saturday blues Mina Pacifica. As mentioned four thirty

1936
01:43:29,827 --> 01:43:32,947
Speaker 2: five Highlanders drew a big game for the Highlinders. Must

1937
01:43:32,987 --> 01:43:36,387
Speaker 2: win that game, must win that game, simply, must win

1938
01:43:36,427 --> 01:43:41,267
Speaker 2: that game. And Red Sprumbies to finish the weekend. So

1939
01:43:41,667 --> 01:43:44,147
Speaker 2: the games involving the New Zealand sides, we will have

1940
01:43:44,307 --> 01:43:47,947
Speaker 2: them all for you on Gold Sport and on iHeartRadio.

1941
01:43:48,507 --> 01:43:52,027
Speaker 2: If you'd like to make a point around Mina pacifica,

1942
01:43:52,267 --> 01:43:55,747
Speaker 2: around the Blues, around the Auckland sporting landscape, lines are open.

1943
01:43:55,867 --> 01:43:59,307
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine to

1944
01:43:59,347 --> 01:44:02,587
Speaker 2: two on text. Hello chrisyday mate.

1945
01:44:03,547 --> 01:44:06,067
Speaker 21: It's good to see more on a pacificate pulling out

1946
01:44:06,587 --> 01:44:09,587
Speaker 21: two good results in a row because they were sort

1947
01:44:09,587 --> 01:44:13,067
Speaker 21: of a team that was thrown together to keep the

1948
01:44:13,227 --> 01:44:17,067
Speaker 21: numbers up. But now they're making some dents and big teams.

1949
01:44:17,107 --> 01:44:20,107
Speaker 21: I'm a Crusader and we lost to them last weekend,

1950
01:44:20,267 --> 01:44:24,467
Speaker 21: so it's good to see that they're actually punching above

1951
01:44:24,587 --> 01:44:28,467
Speaker 21: their weight, not over the Crusaders and the Warrior Tars.

1952
01:44:28,187 --> 01:44:28,267
Speaker 1: And.

1953
01:44:29,907 --> 01:44:32,627
Speaker 21: From from watching them, they're playing with a lot of

1954
01:44:32,787 --> 01:44:36,107
Speaker 21: confident rugby and Polynesian flair, so this is great for

1955
01:44:36,227 --> 01:44:36,787
Speaker 21: the competition.

1956
01:44:37,307 --> 01:44:41,667
Speaker 2: Oh, Chris, absolutely right. Oh look, eleven strong teams is

1957
01:44:41,707 --> 01:44:44,027
Speaker 2: what you want and my wine of Pacifica just haven't

1958
01:44:44,107 --> 01:44:48,627
Speaker 2: delivered on their undoubted promise consistently enough anywhere near consistently

1959
01:44:48,747 --> 01:44:52,067
Speaker 2: enough since they entered the competition. They are now starting to.

1960
01:44:53,427 --> 01:44:55,947
Speaker 21: And that's that's great because you know, we're what the

1961
01:44:56,027 --> 01:44:59,627
Speaker 21: Fiji and drewer and they've made them upset over their

1962
01:44:59,707 --> 01:45:05,147
Speaker 21: times as well. So like this competition is actually really good.

1963
01:45:05,267 --> 01:45:08,227
Speaker 21: Like this is the Super Rugby season I've seen for

1964
01:45:08,467 --> 01:45:11,347
Speaker 21: years in terms of the quality of the games. And

1965
01:45:11,427 --> 01:45:14,427
Speaker 21: it doesn't matter whether it's the Australians playing the KIV

1966
01:45:14,547 --> 01:45:17,787
Speaker 21: teams or the or the Polynesian side. It's it's a

1967
01:45:17,867 --> 01:45:21,147
Speaker 21: really good competition. So we've got we've got a lot

1968
01:45:21,307 --> 01:45:24,467
Speaker 21: to look forward to in the future. But I wanted

1969
01:45:24,547 --> 01:45:32,187
Speaker 21: to say something about Eaton Park. Yes, I think the

1970
01:45:32,307 --> 01:45:37,307
Speaker 21: best idea for the Blues would probably go to Mount

1971
01:45:37,507 --> 01:45:43,107
Speaker 21: Smart for their games outside of any finals performances and

1972
01:45:43,987 --> 01:45:50,227
Speaker 21: have that smaller crowd in a smaller stadium and instead

1973
01:45:50,227 --> 01:45:54,987
Speaker 21: of when you're watch an Auckland Blues game. Yeah it's

1974
01:45:55,467 --> 01:45:57,147
Speaker 21: it's a big stadium and you're ever going to fill

1975
01:45:57,187 --> 01:45:59,307
Speaker 21: it for a Super rugby game, so don't use it.

1976
01:46:00,027 --> 01:46:03,947
Speaker 21: Take them to Mount Smart and you try and wiggle

1977
01:46:04,067 --> 01:46:08,667
Speaker 21: room around the soccer side and the league team and

1978
01:46:09,667 --> 01:46:13,587
Speaker 21: have a more intimate crowd and the people that will

1979
01:46:13,667 --> 01:46:18,547
Speaker 21: go to that game will feel more engaged. I think

1980
01:46:18,587 --> 01:46:24,187
Speaker 21: the Blues have got to look at that. Using a

1981
01:46:24,307 --> 01:46:26,947
Speaker 21: fifty five thousand whatever it is seat.

1982
01:46:26,827 --> 01:46:29,667
Speaker 6: Stadium for nine thousand people.

1983
01:46:29,787 --> 01:46:32,987
Speaker 21: It's not it's not good. It's like when you watch

1984
01:46:33,027 --> 01:46:35,267
Speaker 21: the regular League in Sydney. If you have.

1985
01:46:35,387 --> 01:46:41,827
Speaker 6: Spouts versus the Gold Coast at their stadium Australia and

1986
01:46:41,947 --> 01:46:44,827
Speaker 6: there's ten thousand people there, you're looking at the empty seats,

1987
01:46:44,907 --> 01:46:45,627
Speaker 6: not the full one.

1988
01:46:45,787 --> 01:46:50,827
Speaker 21: So I just think it's a good idea to open

1989
01:46:50,907 --> 01:46:54,147
Speaker 21: your eyes and see what it is and project these

1990
01:46:54,187 --> 01:46:58,187
Speaker 21: ticket tails and do the right thing by a fan

1991
01:46:59,067 --> 01:47:03,867
Speaker 21: and encourage the environments to be hyper like Auckland FC.

1992
01:47:04,067 --> 01:47:07,067
Speaker 2: Hat and Decris got to move made unfortunately, but no,

1993
01:47:07,147 --> 01:47:09,507
Speaker 2: you make a great point, you do, and unfortunately I

1994
01:47:09,507 --> 01:47:12,587
Speaker 2: don't think the Blues can fit in it at Mount Smart.

1995
01:47:12,827 --> 01:47:15,187
Speaker 2: I think Warrior is an Aukland FC. Once you block

1996
01:47:15,227 --> 01:47:17,067
Speaker 2: out those dates, I'm not sure that there's much left

1997
01:47:17,707 --> 01:47:19,907
Speaker 2: as far as the Blues are concerned. Thanks for bea

1998
01:47:19,947 --> 01:47:22,467
Speaker 2: call mate. Twenty nine away from three got to get

1999
01:47:22,507 --> 01:47:24,907
Speaker 2: a breakaway whomen come back into the black Caps camp.

2000
01:47:25,307 --> 01:47:26,907
Speaker 2: Benc is back to back five us.

2001
01:47:27,067 --> 01:47:30,987
Speaker 1: He's on the show after this one crunch Hold Engage

2002
01:47:31,347 --> 01:47:35,907
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunderhomes New Zealand's

2003
01:47:35,907 --> 01:47:37,587
Speaker 1: lost trusted home builder News.

2004
01:47:37,467 --> 01:47:39,867
Speaker 2: Talk B twenty six to three. The black Caps have

2005
01:47:39,947 --> 01:47:43,107
Speaker 2: claimed an odio series sweep over Pakistan, a forty three

2006
01:47:43,467 --> 01:47:45,747
Speaker 2: run win in the third game at bay Oval yesterday.

2007
01:47:45,867 --> 01:47:49,867
Speaker 2: He's got one last chance that is up and that

2008
01:47:50,067 --> 01:47:54,347
Speaker 2: is out and he's done it. Back to back five

2009
01:47:54,507 --> 01:47:58,347
Speaker 2: wickeed bags for Ben says. That's the game. New Zealand

2010
01:47:58,387 --> 01:48:02,627
Speaker 2: win by forty three, ten wickets in the series, just

2011
01:48:02,787 --> 01:48:06,307
Speaker 2: the two games, great finish office final delivery.

2012
01:48:06,507 --> 01:48:07,347
Speaker 6: He gets it done.

2013
01:48:07,467 --> 01:48:09,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, back to back five wicket bags for Ben Sears

2014
01:48:09,747 --> 01:48:11,787
Speaker 2: and Justice fourth o d I the first time a

2015
01:48:11,827 --> 01:48:14,547
Speaker 2: new Zoombol has ever done that. And taking out man

2016
01:48:14,627 --> 01:48:16,667
Speaker 2: of this series as well Ben Sears as well as

2017
01:48:16,707 --> 01:48:19,747
Speaker 2: congratulations on the last couple of games. Ben Clean sweet

2018
01:48:19,827 --> 01:48:22,707
Speaker 2: for the series for New Zealand as well. So what's

2019
01:48:22,747 --> 01:48:24,907
Speaker 2: gone so well over these three matches for the for

2020
01:48:24,947 --> 01:48:25,587
Speaker 2: the Black Apps?

2021
01:48:26,387 --> 01:48:30,067
Speaker 20: Oh, I just obviously it's a new team coming in.

2022
01:48:30,707 --> 01:48:33,427
Speaker 20: Everyone was with quite a few guys over at the IPL.

2023
01:48:33,467 --> 01:48:36,187
Speaker 20: I think everybody was just super keen to get stuck

2024
01:48:36,227 --> 01:48:38,667
Speaker 20: in and just yeah, put the best product out there,

2025
01:48:38,667 --> 01:48:40,307
Speaker 20: and it was it was just good fun.

2026
01:48:40,547 --> 01:48:42,907
Speaker 2: Yeah. How enjoyable was it being part of what might

2027
01:48:42,987 --> 01:48:46,147
Speaker 2: be called a pretty pretty fresh looking white ball team?

2028
01:48:46,227 --> 01:48:47,907
Speaker 2: How how exciting was that?

2029
01:48:48,867 --> 01:48:48,987
Speaker 7: Oh?

2030
01:48:49,267 --> 01:48:52,907
Speaker 20: It was awesome. Yeah, just obviously a bit of a

2031
01:48:52,947 --> 01:48:57,547
Speaker 20: different bowling unit with myself in dust coming in and

2032
01:48:57,627 --> 01:49:01,067
Speaker 20: obviously was was at the Champion Trophy, but yeah, it was.

2033
01:49:01,267 --> 01:49:04,467
Speaker 20: It was really just a great group of guys really

2034
01:49:04,547 --> 01:49:06,147
Speaker 20: enjoyed playing either and it was good fun.

2035
01:49:06,467 --> 01:49:09,387
Speaker 2: So back to back five wicket bags for you. Even

2036
01:49:09,427 --> 01:49:12,147
Speaker 2: when you got your fifth wicket yesterday, I only ready

2037
01:49:12,147 --> 01:49:14,187
Speaker 2: a hint of a smile from you. You must have

2038
01:49:14,307 --> 01:49:16,267
Speaker 2: enjoyed though, contributing to another win in this.

2039
01:49:16,347 --> 01:49:19,667
Speaker 20: Way, Oh yeah, absolutely, no, it was great fun being

2040
01:49:19,707 --> 01:49:23,067
Speaker 20: out there just to have yeah, Jacob Dufty and Willow

2041
01:49:23,147 --> 01:49:25,747
Speaker 20: Rock bowling so well at the top. Yeah, it was

2042
01:49:25,827 --> 01:49:27,587
Speaker 20: just it was an awesome opportunity just to come in

2043
01:49:27,667 --> 01:49:29,427
Speaker 20: behind them and see if I could add a little bit,

2044
01:49:29,587 --> 01:49:33,827
Speaker 20: and like the pressure they built through those games, all

2045
01:49:33,907 --> 01:49:36,587
Speaker 20: three of them really we just put us on just

2046
01:49:36,707 --> 01:49:39,187
Speaker 20: touch on the front foot, but yeah, it goes coming

2047
01:49:39,227 --> 01:49:40,907
Speaker 20: hard at me and it was nice. It was nice

2048
01:49:40,907 --> 01:49:43,107
Speaker 20: to get a few wickets on the back of that.

2049
01:49:43,707 --> 01:49:46,747
Speaker 2: What is your bowling strategy in fifty over cricket?

2050
01:49:48,347 --> 01:49:52,867
Speaker 20: Ah, Well, I just get main focus is just trying

2051
01:49:52,907 --> 01:49:55,907
Speaker 20: to build on the pressure that the battles have built

2052
01:49:55,907 --> 01:49:58,947
Speaker 20: before you, making sure I think, like on the wickets

2053
01:49:58,947 --> 01:50:01,027
Speaker 20: were playing off the year, there was a bit in them,

2054
01:50:01,107 --> 01:50:03,147
Speaker 20: So just trying to get it into two good areas,

2055
01:50:03,307 --> 01:50:05,947
Speaker 20: especially when you've got bowling to guys like Bubba's arm

2056
01:50:06,067 --> 01:50:10,027
Speaker 20: was pretty world class and yeah, like trying to build

2057
01:50:10,027 --> 01:50:12,667
Speaker 20: pressure and then when you get the opportunity to get

2058
01:50:12,667 --> 01:50:14,747
Speaker 20: it down there a little bit quicker and a little

2059
01:50:14,747 --> 01:50:18,947
Speaker 20: bit yeah freer. Yeah, just taking advantage of that as well.

2060
01:50:19,347 --> 01:50:21,787
Speaker 2: The thing that stands out for me being as your

2061
01:50:21,827 --> 01:50:25,147
Speaker 2: strike rate are wicked every twenty balls and ODIs every

2062
01:50:25,227 --> 01:50:29,267
Speaker 2: seventeen balls and T twenty Internationals and all T twenty matches,

2063
01:50:29,347 --> 01:50:32,067
Speaker 2: you get a wicked every fifteen balls, and a game

2064
01:50:32,107 --> 01:50:35,307
Speaker 2: where restricting runs as power amount are you pretty much

2065
01:50:35,307 --> 01:50:39,307
Speaker 2: given license to do that by bowling wicket taking deliveries

2066
01:50:39,307 --> 01:50:40,267
Speaker 2: as often as you can.

2067
01:50:42,067 --> 01:50:43,667
Speaker 20: I think, to be honest, I've just been lucky to

2068
01:50:43,707 --> 01:50:48,467
Speaker 20: play with some really good bowlers so far. So I

2069
01:50:48,587 --> 01:50:51,307
Speaker 20: was playing ill last season. Obviously to him South he

2070
01:50:51,467 --> 01:50:55,787
Speaker 20: was there Willow Roses that he's been outstanding. And so

2071
01:50:55,947 --> 01:50:59,747
Speaker 20: those guys or Matt Henry the phenomenal and obviously Jacob

2072
01:50:59,787 --> 01:51:01,947
Speaker 20: Dusky at the moment was just always number one twenty

2073
01:51:01,987 --> 01:51:06,227
Speaker 20: twenty dollar in the world. So it's unbelievable to play with.

2074
01:51:06,427 --> 01:51:08,507
Speaker 20: And so when you play with those guys and they

2075
01:51:08,587 --> 01:51:11,827
Speaker 20: built a ball pressure, they put batsmen under pressure. Just

2076
01:51:11,907 --> 01:51:14,987
Speaker 20: that happens when your first change bowl. They came ups

2077
01:51:15,027 --> 01:51:19,507
Speaker 20: and often come after you. So yeah, just bowling, coming in,

2078
01:51:19,747 --> 01:51:24,027
Speaker 20: just trying to get my product down there after then yeah,

2079
01:51:24,347 --> 01:51:26,667
Speaker 20: you get lucky sometimes you get your wicket and it's

2080
01:51:26,707 --> 01:51:28,347
Speaker 20: just just just how it's panned out.

2081
01:51:28,587 --> 01:51:31,187
Speaker 2: Well, you've done a tremendous job of deflecting any personal

2082
01:51:31,307 --> 01:51:32,587
Speaker 2: price away from yourself.

2083
01:51:32,627 --> 01:51:32,787
Speaker 20: There.

2084
01:51:32,787 --> 01:51:35,307
Speaker 2: I must say mate to you to your bowling, you

2085
01:51:35,387 --> 01:51:37,467
Speaker 2: know which I know that's what you're all about, but

2086
01:51:37,947 --> 01:51:40,947
Speaker 2: I mean, has the way you know you've developed as

2087
01:51:40,947 --> 01:51:43,267
Speaker 2: a white ball baller changed? Is this the best you've

2088
01:51:43,267 --> 01:51:44,387
Speaker 2: bowled with a white ball?

2089
01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:46,027
Speaker 7: Ah?

2090
01:51:46,787 --> 01:51:51,387
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, I think it's always changing. I've i was

2091
01:51:51,427 --> 01:51:53,507
Speaker 20: into quite a bit of a season, so there's a

2092
01:51:53,507 --> 01:51:54,787
Speaker 20: lot of time to think about how you get a

2093
01:51:54,827 --> 01:51:58,147
Speaker 20: bowl and yeah, just I'm just trying to get more accurate,

2094
01:51:58,267 --> 01:52:02,987
Speaker 20: more consistent, just used my bouncer more regularly. But yeah,

2095
01:52:03,307 --> 01:52:06,507
Speaker 20: it's it's been cool and yeah it certainly developed thing.

2096
01:52:06,547 --> 01:52:08,467
Speaker 20: But just trying to well, especially why you're not playing,

2097
01:52:08,547 --> 01:52:11,147
Speaker 20: just trying to constantly think so you can improve during

2098
01:52:11,187 --> 01:52:11,987
Speaker 20: those times as well.

2099
01:52:12,347 --> 01:52:15,787
Speaker 2: How is your pace compared to other times in your.

2100
01:52:15,747 --> 01:52:20,147
Speaker 20: Career or yeah, it's been coming out really well, I think,

2101
01:52:20,267 --> 01:52:22,907
Speaker 20: just certainly, and just the cricket. It's just picking when

2102
01:52:22,987 --> 01:52:27,707
Speaker 20: and when and when to use the aggression there. Like

2103
01:52:27,787 --> 01:52:31,347
Speaker 20: I'm saying before, like the wickets we've had or wicket yesterday,

2104
01:52:31,507 --> 01:52:33,147
Speaker 20: was was doing a bit with the same to just

2105
01:52:33,227 --> 01:52:35,387
Speaker 20: making like this foremost just trying to make sure that

2106
01:52:35,427 --> 01:52:37,467
Speaker 20: you're in a good area and then when you get

2107
01:52:37,467 --> 01:52:39,827
Speaker 20: a sniff with or a new betsman coming in or

2108
01:52:40,147 --> 01:52:43,187
Speaker 20: someone who doesn't like a short ball or something like that,

2109
01:52:43,387 --> 01:52:45,427
Speaker 20: just really trying to crank it up there a bit.

2110
01:52:46,387 --> 01:52:48,067
Speaker 20: And yeah, it just give yourself the best shout.

2111
01:52:48,427 --> 01:52:51,107
Speaker 2: Now, what about Michael Bracewall's catch yesterday. Did you get

2112
01:52:51,107 --> 01:52:51,907
Speaker 2: a decent view of it?

2113
01:52:53,187 --> 01:52:55,307
Speaker 12: I saw the dive.

2114
01:52:55,347 --> 01:52:59,987
Speaker 20: I didn't see the catch itself, but yeah he does.

2115
01:53:00,187 --> 01:53:02,507
Speaker 20: He does Hollywood a little bit, so he had to

2116
01:53:02,547 --> 01:53:04,227
Speaker 20: put some nail on and I don't think he needed

2117
01:53:04,267 --> 01:53:04,547
Speaker 20: a dive.

2118
01:53:07,187 --> 01:53:09,227
Speaker 2: He doesn't drop me an, yeah, he's got big buckets

2119
01:53:09,267 --> 01:53:09,987
Speaker 2: of hands, isn't he.

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Speaker 20: No, he's a heck of a fielder. He's a head

2121
01:53:13,867 --> 01:53:14,627
Speaker 20: of cricketer.

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01:53:16,387 --> 01:53:18,107
Speaker 2: And leading the team. So I mean, I know that

2123
01:53:18,267 --> 01:53:20,307
Speaker 2: wasn't the original plan, but he you know, he stepped

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01:53:20,307 --> 01:53:22,707
Speaker 2: into that leadership role. Obviously he's done it for Wellington

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01:53:22,707 --> 01:53:25,507
Speaker 2: a lot, but you know he must have. Well what

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01:53:25,627 --> 01:53:28,107
Speaker 2: did you observe from him? And there's leadership of this team?

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Speaker 20: Oh yeah, Beasts. Yeah he's he's a true leader. Like

2128
01:53:34,987 --> 01:53:39,027
Speaker 20: he's just a really good guy. Genuinely. It gets around

2129
01:53:39,107 --> 01:53:42,587
Speaker 20: your looks after you having him office just this case

2130
01:53:42,627 --> 01:53:46,387
Speaker 20: scenario and so yeah, just have him step in there,

2131
01:53:46,507 --> 01:53:49,427
Speaker 20: like obviously he's had something. He's stepping in for Mitt

2132
01:53:49,467 --> 01:53:51,987
Speaker 20: Stantner and then Tom Latham but they're awesome as well.

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01:53:52,027 --> 01:53:55,907
Speaker 20: But just having Beast at Wellington and yeah, that's set

2134
01:53:55,987 --> 01:54:00,427
Speaker 20: familiarity is just yeah, you can't pack to that. So yeah,

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01:54:00,667 --> 01:54:01,347
Speaker 20: it's just awesome.

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Speaker 2: It feels like Wellington's taking over this team, you and him,

2137
01:54:04,267 --> 01:54:06,867
Speaker 2: Muhammed a Bass, Nathan Smith, Nick l in there now

2138
01:54:06,907 --> 01:54:10,067
Speaker 2: as well. Nice to have the Firebirds so well represented.

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01:54:10,827 --> 01:54:14,027
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, heck yeah, it's awesome just having those goes around.

2140
01:54:14,067 --> 01:54:17,027
Speaker 20: You've got so much cricket with them, obviously Rutching and

2141
01:54:17,267 --> 01:54:20,067
Speaker 20: dev and Blundle and there's all those guys there as well,

2142
01:54:20,107 --> 01:54:22,707
Speaker 20: Tom Robinson and the T twenty. So it's awesome mess

2143
01:54:22,787 --> 01:54:27,027
Speaker 20: contingent familiarity. And then yet when you're starting in with

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01:54:27,267 --> 01:54:29,787
Speaker 20: guys like the dust Man and stuff like that from

2145
01:54:29,827 --> 01:54:32,267
Speaker 20: out and there. Yeah, it's just it's a really good

2146
01:54:32,267 --> 01:54:32,787
Speaker 20: group of guys.

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01:54:33,147 --> 01:54:35,467
Speaker 2: And you had that one Test match being against Australia

2148
01:54:35,507 --> 01:54:37,947
Speaker 2: last summer for wickets in the second innings, look like

2149
01:54:37,987 --> 01:54:40,547
Speaker 2: you loved it in the white clothing for New Zealand.

2150
01:54:40,547 --> 01:54:43,027
Speaker 2: And how strong is your appetite for more Test cricket

2151
01:54:43,187 --> 01:54:43,907
Speaker 2: for the Black Cats?

2152
01:54:44,547 --> 01:54:47,627
Speaker 20: Oh absolutely, you just certainly want to play as much

2153
01:54:47,627 --> 01:54:50,467
Speaker 20: as they can. Grateful for every opportunity I get. Just

2154
01:54:50,547 --> 01:54:53,347
Speaker 20: see how it pans out, like, yeah, obviously there's a

2155
01:54:53,387 --> 01:54:55,707
Speaker 20: great group of there's a lot of bolders coming through

2156
01:54:56,707 --> 01:55:00,347
Speaker 20: dust obviously buying normally. Well, so yeah, if I get

2157
01:55:00,347 --> 01:55:02,387
Speaker 20: another opportunity, I'm absolutely coozing for it.

2158
01:55:02,787 --> 01:55:05,787
Speaker 2: And you're off to play county cricket for Yorkshire. When

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01:55:05,827 --> 01:55:06,307
Speaker 2: do you head off?

2160
01:55:07,667 --> 01:55:11,347
Speaker 20: I head off on the eleventh, so yeah, pretty soon.

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01:55:12,027 --> 01:55:16,107
Speaker 20: I'm really super excited for that. So yeah, yeah, I

2162
01:55:16,347 --> 01:55:17,187
Speaker 20: can't wait to get over there.

2163
01:55:17,267 --> 01:55:19,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're heading off in good form being congrats

2164
01:55:19,267 --> 01:55:21,587
Speaker 2: on the last couple of games, couple of five wicket

2165
01:55:21,627 --> 01:55:23,067
Speaker 2: bags for you and man of the series. Thanks for

2166
01:55:23,147 --> 01:55:25,307
Speaker 2: chatting to us, mate, all the best in the in

2167
01:55:25,347 --> 01:55:27,187
Speaker 2: the northern summer and we'll catch you when you get home.

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Speaker 12: Cheers.

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01:55:28,307 --> 01:55:30,307
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, No, I appreciate you joining us. Ben. Thanks

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01:55:30,347 --> 01:55:32,867
Speaker 2: today Ben Sears on News Talks, he'd be eighteen to three.

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Speaker 1: Would you be the TMO have your say on eight

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01:55:36,947 --> 01:55:42,027
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hin and GJ. Guvnerholmes,

2173
01:55:42,187 --> 01:55:44,667
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be two forty five. Let's get your state side

2175
01:55:47,787 --> 01:55:50,187
Speaker 2: to update you on all things American sport with our

2176
01:55:50,267 --> 01:55:52,507
Speaker 2: man Leon Buzzby. Leon, thanks for joining us as always

2177
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Speaker 2: let's start with basketball and the march madness into the playoffs. Yea,

2178
01:55:58,467 --> 01:55:58,987
Speaker 2: too much.

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Speaker 19: Madness is into the final stages with the Woman's Final

2180
01:56:01,867 --> 01:56:04,747
Speaker 19: four taking place. It took place yesterday in Tampa, Florida

2181
01:56:05,427 --> 01:56:09,747
Speaker 19: and turning it for the men this year. There was

2182
01:56:09,827 --> 01:56:12,627
Speaker 19: a there was a bit of pushback because there were

2183
01:56:12,707 --> 01:56:17,107
Speaker 19: no Cinderella Cinderella stories eight that's that's when a much

2184
01:56:17,187 --> 01:56:19,867
Speaker 19: lower seeded team upsets one of the favorites. But at

2185
01:56:19,867 --> 01:56:21,347
Speaker 19: the end of the day, we were left with the

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01:56:21,387 --> 01:56:24,627
Speaker 19: best four teams of both competitions. So yesterday and the

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01:56:24,707 --> 01:56:27,067
Speaker 19: women's final four we saw in semi final won the

2188
01:56:27,147 --> 01:56:30,587
Speaker 19: overall top seed, the u c. L A Bruins. They

2189
01:56:30,667 --> 01:56:33,147
Speaker 19: lost heavily to the number two seed, the Yukon Huskies.

2190
01:56:33,707 --> 01:56:35,787
Speaker 19: In the other semi final, the number one seed and

2191
01:56:35,827 --> 01:56:39,747
Speaker 19: the Benning champion South Carolina game Cocks in interesting eighth

2192
01:56:40,227 --> 01:56:44,147
Speaker 19: also dominated the Benning, the Texas Longhorns, and another lot

2193
01:56:44,187 --> 01:56:46,787
Speaker 19: sided games. So hard to pick a win in the

2194
01:56:46,867 --> 01:56:50,947
Speaker 19: national championship game at both Yukon and Outh Carolina evenly match,

2195
01:56:51,027 --> 01:56:53,627
Speaker 19: but should be a compelling contest none the less.

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01:56:53,667 --> 01:56:56,347
Speaker 2: Pony absolutely looking forward to that, and of course, the

2197
01:56:56,427 --> 01:56:59,067
Speaker 2: men's games on at the moment, so we'll see who's

2198
01:56:59,347 --> 01:57:01,827
Speaker 2: who's cutting down the net, as they say, next Tuesday.

2199
01:57:01,827 --> 01:57:03,987
Speaker 2: You're right, though, about March's madness. It is about the

2200
01:57:04,067 --> 01:57:06,787
Speaker 2: Cinderella stories, isn't it When when a least this fancy

2201
01:57:06,867 --> 01:57:09,987
Speaker 2: team gets up over the top of somebody who's ranked

2202
01:57:10,027 --> 01:57:13,307
Speaker 2: much higher. Just a lack of those this year, no

2203
01:57:13,427 --> 01:57:15,467
Speaker 2: particular reason, it's just the way that it went. The

2204
01:57:15,507 --> 01:57:17,787
Speaker 2: top sides just remained the top sides.

2205
01:57:18,547 --> 01:57:20,347
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's just the way of pair this year.

2206
01:57:20,467 --> 01:57:23,227
Speaker 19: So everyone loves to see the cinder on a story

2207
01:57:23,267 --> 01:57:26,707
Speaker 19: bade for obvious reasons that just didn't happen this year,

2208
01:57:26,747 --> 01:57:29,107
Speaker 19: and say there was a bit of pushback from the fans,

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01:57:29,147 --> 01:57:31,347
Speaker 19: but the end of the day, we've got the best

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01:57:31,387 --> 01:57:33,147
Speaker 19: teams competing for their national total.

2211
01:57:33,387 --> 01:57:35,427
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to Major League Baseball, and I want

2212
01:57:35,467 --> 01:57:38,907
Speaker 2: to start with the torpedo bats. This seems to be

2213
01:57:39,707 --> 01:57:43,467
Speaker 2: dominating discussion now. Unlike a traditional bat that tapers down

2214
01:57:43,507 --> 01:57:47,187
Speaker 2: towards a thick end cap, the torpedo bat shifts that

2215
01:57:47,467 --> 01:57:50,787
Speaker 2: mass lower down the barrel. It creates a bowling pin

2216
01:57:51,027 --> 01:57:54,027
Speaker 2: like shape, and I guess the idea is to concentrate

2217
01:57:54,107 --> 01:57:56,907
Speaker 2: the weight where the players most often make contact, so

2218
01:57:57,307 --> 01:58:00,507
Speaker 2: it gives hit us more power and control. I mean,

2219
01:58:00,707 --> 01:58:03,307
Speaker 2: why has there been so much discussion about these new bats?

2220
01:58:04,147 --> 01:58:04,347
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:58:04,387 --> 01:58:06,667
Speaker 19: I don't know if I should say too much more Plenty,

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01:58:06,707 --> 01:58:09,947
Speaker 19: you're still my thunder there, but yea, there's been a

2223
01:58:09,987 --> 01:58:12,307
Speaker 19: lot of discussion around the recent use of this bat.

2224
01:58:13,067 --> 01:58:15,267
Speaker 19: So for your listing audience final, I'll try to expand

2225
01:58:15,307 --> 01:58:15,827
Speaker 19: the best.

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01:58:15,667 --> 01:58:16,107
Speaker 9: That I can.

2227
01:58:16,867 --> 01:58:19,187
Speaker 19: So it was first used last year by All Star

2228
01:58:19,387 --> 01:58:23,747
Speaker 19: Yankee yon Carlos Stanton. He's renowned slagger and Major League Baseball.

2229
01:58:24,387 --> 01:58:26,787
Speaker 19: So in October of last year when he first started

2230
01:58:26,907 --> 01:58:31,387
Speaker 19: using it, his batting average for that month increased dramatically

2231
01:58:31,427 --> 01:58:33,947
Speaker 19: when he had seven home runs of a boarding game span.

2232
01:58:34,787 --> 01:58:37,067
Speaker 19: Then you fast forward to this season where the Yankee

2233
01:58:37,187 --> 01:58:40,547
Speaker 19: batters they crushed fifteen home runs in their first three

2234
01:58:40,627 --> 01:58:43,387
Speaker 19: games of the season using that particular bat. Now that's

2235
01:58:43,387 --> 01:58:45,907
Speaker 19: an unprecedent. The strike graide Pony and then unders bear

2236
01:58:45,987 --> 01:58:50,107
Speaker 19: the South. So there are currently forty one approved manufacturers

2237
01:58:50,147 --> 01:58:53,227
Speaker 19: that supplied bats for the Major League Baseball. The bats

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01:58:53,307 --> 01:58:56,587
Speaker 19: themselves have to meet strip measurement criteria as you alluded to,

2239
01:58:57,187 --> 01:59:00,187
Speaker 19: and as long as they are within those parameters, you

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01:59:00,307 --> 01:59:03,267
Speaker 19: can distribute the weight of the bat however you want. Now,

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01:59:03,907 --> 01:59:08,267
Speaker 19: with that in mind, the creator of unconventional torpedo bat

2242
01:59:08,307 --> 01:59:11,787
Speaker 19: as a retired physics professor Aaron Lennart, who at the

2243
01:59:11,867 --> 01:59:13,987
Speaker 19: time was the New York Yankees front office staff but

2244
01:59:14,147 --> 01:59:17,067
Speaker 19: is now employed by the Miami Marlins as a field coordinator.

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01:59:17,707 --> 01:59:20,587
Speaker 19: The logic that Lenhard had was to redistribute the way

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01:59:20,667 --> 01:59:23,827
Speaker 19: to the bat in intense, moving the so called sweet

2247
01:59:23,907 --> 01:59:26,867
Speaker 19: spot to where the better strikes the ball most frequently,

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01:59:26,907 --> 01:59:29,387
Speaker 19: which is about six or seven inches down from the

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01:59:29,547 --> 01:59:30,067
Speaker 19: end of the bat.

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Speaker 17: Now, I won't go any deeper.

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01:59:31,267 --> 01:59:31,947
Speaker 6: The matter would be.

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01:59:31,987 --> 01:59:34,867
Speaker 19: Here all day, Piney, but the torpio bet as well

2253
01:59:34,947 --> 01:59:37,587
Speaker 19: within the rules that any player can use it, just

2254
01:59:37,667 --> 01:59:40,067
Speaker 19: to know they're not all Major league basketball.

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01:59:39,707 --> 01:59:41,147
Speaker 17: Players choose to use that bat.

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01:59:41,227 --> 01:59:44,507
Speaker 19: But it's certainly a game changer. Personally, I think it's

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01:59:44,507 --> 01:59:47,267
Speaker 19: a positive innovation for baseball because in region years, pitching

2258
01:59:47,387 --> 01:59:49,107
Speaker 19: is dominated to the detriment of the game.

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01:59:49,307 --> 01:59:51,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, and crowds love big hits, which they're getting with

2260
01:59:51,787 --> 01:59:52,787
Speaker 2: the torpedo bat.

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01:59:53,027 --> 01:59:53,227
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2262
01:59:53,347 --> 01:59:56,227
Speaker 2: Absolutely So. We're still early on in the Major League

2263
01:59:56,267 --> 01:59:59,147
Speaker 2: Baseball season, but that how are the standings panning out

2264
01:59:59,187 --> 01:59:59,987
Speaker 2: in the American League.

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01:59:59,987 --> 02:00:02,627
Speaker 19: In the National League, yes, so in terms of early

2266
02:00:02,707 --> 02:00:05,427
Speaker 19: season fixed pinet, it's a long regular season grind, as

2267
02:00:05,467 --> 02:00:07,387
Speaker 19: you know, one hundred and six to two games before

2268
02:00:07,427 --> 02:00:08,467
Speaker 19: the playoffs even begin.

2269
02:00:08,627 --> 02:00:10,707
Speaker 7: Now, I mean it's the real War of.

2270
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Speaker 19: Patrician for Major League Baseball in terms of the amount

2271
02:00:13,187 --> 02:00:15,427
Speaker 19: of games they play and the teen that it's the

2272
02:00:15,467 --> 02:00:17,947
Speaker 19: Commissioner's Trophy. At the conclusion of the board series, you'll

2273
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Speaker 19: find as the deepest and healthiest roster they're currently The

2274
02:00:21,707 --> 02:00:23,827
Speaker 19: teams that are off to a good start are the

2275
02:00:23,907 --> 02:00:27,787
Speaker 19: defending champion LA Dodgers of course in the San Diego Padres,

2276
02:00:28,787 --> 02:00:31,027
Speaker 19: and the Philadelphia Fills in the National League. In the

2277
02:00:31,107 --> 02:00:34,627
Speaker 19: American League, the Texas Rangers, New York Yankees, and LA

2278
02:00:34,747 --> 02:00:37,547
Speaker 19: Angels are leading the way. However, if you were to

2279
02:00:37,667 --> 02:00:40,787
Speaker 19: compared both leagues, the National League is far superior to

2280
02:00:40,907 --> 02:00:44,227
Speaker 19: the American League in terms of overall winning percentage. Case

2281
02:00:44,307 --> 02:00:47,227
Speaker 19: in point keen of the fifteen teams in the National

2282
02:00:47,307 --> 02:00:50,307
Speaker 19: League over five hundred, while in the American League only

2283
02:00:50,427 --> 02:00:52,267
Speaker 19: six of the fifteen or five hundred or better.

2284
02:00:52,387 --> 02:00:53,387
Speaker 21: Big disparity there.

2285
02:00:54,427 --> 02:00:57,347
Speaker 2: Let's go to the NBA, then, where we find ourselves

2286
02:00:57,427 --> 02:01:00,667
Speaker 2: near the end of the regular season eighty two game

2287
02:01:00,787 --> 02:01:04,667
Speaker 2: regular season, about seventy seven seventy eight games for most

2288
02:01:04,747 --> 02:01:07,747
Speaker 2: of these teams. Where are we with with those teams

2289
02:01:07,787 --> 02:01:10,587
Speaker 2: that are likely to be playoff bound and those who

2290
02:01:11,147 --> 02:01:13,587
Speaker 2: are making a late season run for it.

2291
02:01:14,187 --> 02:01:16,107
Speaker 19: In the NBA, there are only a handful of games

2292
02:01:16,187 --> 02:01:20,507
Speaker 19: left before the postseason starts. In the Eastern Conference, it's

2293
02:01:20,547 --> 02:01:23,587
Speaker 19: the Cleveland Cavaliers and the finny champion. Boston South is

2294
02:01:23,627 --> 02:01:26,787
Speaker 19: basically ahead of everybody else here. However, in the top

2295
02:01:26,907 --> 02:01:31,147
Speaker 19: heavy Western Conference, the Oklahoma City Thunder, although they're one

2296
02:01:31,187 --> 02:01:33,107
Speaker 19: of the younger teams in the league, they have the

2297
02:01:33,227 --> 02:01:36,387
Speaker 19: best record, closely followed by the Easton Rockets, and the

2298
02:01:36,507 --> 02:01:39,827
Speaker 19: next six teams following them are just s inf position

2299
02:01:39,947 --> 02:01:41,987
Speaker 19: to try and to cure that all important home court

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02:01:42,027 --> 02:01:43,907
Speaker 19: advantage in the opening rounds of the playoffs.

2301
02:01:44,307 --> 02:01:48,227
Speaker 2: What about for MVP discussion, leone's always as bigger discussion

2302
02:01:48,227 --> 02:01:50,027
Speaker 2: as who's actually going to win the whole thing. Who

2303
02:01:50,067 --> 02:01:52,827
Speaker 2: are the main names of the discussion for MVP.

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02:01:54,667 --> 02:01:58,907
Speaker 19: Yes, So this discussion or this narrative has been going

2305
02:01:58,987 --> 02:02:02,627
Speaker 19: on for a while now. So there's much speculation around

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02:02:02,707 --> 02:02:06,307
Speaker 19: us because as most people are aware, okay, see Thunderstone,

2307
02:02:06,427 --> 02:02:09,907
Speaker 19: Shining Gilders, Alexander Everyone for them SGA, there's odds on

2308
02:02:10,067 --> 02:02:13,307
Speaker 19: favorite win his first individual award, despite three time MVP

2309
02:02:13,467 --> 02:02:17,827
Speaker 19: winner the Denver Nuggets Nikola Jokic putting up historical numbers

2310
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Speaker 19: this year as old place for the greatest statistical season.

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Speaker 17: Of the modern era.

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02:02:22,027 --> 02:02:25,307
Speaker 19: This season, the Jokers averaging a triple double and a

2313
02:02:25,387 --> 02:02:28,907
Speaker 19: few games ago recorded an incredible sixty one to ten

2314
02:02:28,987 --> 02:02:31,147
Speaker 19: and ten in a double overtime game in which ten

2315
02:02:31,187 --> 02:02:35,427
Speaker 19: were lost. That's crazy numbers there, So if we relate

2316
02:02:35,547 --> 02:02:38,267
Speaker 19: that to the NBA. An obvious example when we think

2317
02:02:38,347 --> 02:02:40,507
Speaker 19: back is when Michael Jordan was playing in the NBA

2318
02:02:40,667 --> 02:02:43,827
Speaker 19: during his tenure with the Chicago Bulls. Everyone knew he

2319
02:02:43,987 --> 02:02:45,987
Speaker 19: was the best player in the league year in year out,

2320
02:02:46,027 --> 02:02:48,427
Speaker 19: but was not a ward of the regular season MVP Award.

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Speaker 7: Every year.

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Speaker 19: Some of those had voted spelt like it was time

2323
02:02:51,747 --> 02:02:53,467
Speaker 19: to give something out to the award, even though that

2324
02:02:53,667 --> 02:02:56,947
Speaker 19: player was close to being but not only considered the

2325
02:02:57,027 --> 02:03:00,547
Speaker 19: best player that season. Another very recent example was in

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02:03:00,627 --> 02:03:06,867
Speaker 19: the NFL this past season. Previous two time MVP winner Jackson.

2327
02:03:06,947 --> 02:03:10,307
Speaker 19: He's a quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens had much better

2328
02:03:10,387 --> 02:03:13,667
Speaker 19: number than his previous MVP years, but the voters chose

2329
02:03:13,787 --> 02:03:17,627
Speaker 19: to award the regular season MVP to Buffalo Bill's quarterback

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Speaker 19: Josh Allen, who had a breakout year. That was because

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Speaker 19: the voters were tired of Jackson. A fact. It was

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Speaker 19: someone else's turned to win the Cabinet award. Now in

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Speaker 19: a way that seems really unfair because the vote against

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Speaker 19: the mored of zebian player. It happens often more often

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Speaker 19: than we think, but I opened a way that shit.

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Speaker 19: Someone of them have paid the debate about the MVP

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Speaker 19: race in the NBA and the likely the outcome.

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Speaker 2: It certainly does Leon. Thanks is always for your timely

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Speaker 2: couple of hours away, turning Japanese Andy, how do you

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