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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Saddle with New Zealand Southurby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Find your one of a kind.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing new in what silver Lake have brought to

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Speaker 2: the table. They haven't changed anything. They don't bring capability.

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Speaker 1: They're not they're not rugby people, per see.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a magic wand.

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Speaker 4: But New Zealand need to have a you know, a

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Speaker 4: good strong look at that rule because you know, without

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Speaker 4: grace we lose so much. After the Olympic committal, we

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Speaker 4: wanted to show that we were a great team and

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Speaker 4: to us that was bring it, winning the league and

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Speaker 4: winning the series. And we did it, and obviously I

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Speaker 4: was excited about it. The old would sports title this evening,

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Speaker 4: Adam Cooper, host of the All Sports Breakfast and Wellington

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Speaker 4: and Levin a good sports journalist, tell her you too.

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Speaker 2: Yep, good. I promise I will not swear tonight.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Levina. I appreciate you. I promise, thanks, because

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Speaker 4: I mean you we do not have dump. This is

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Speaker 4: a suppose we do not have dump on this show.

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Speaker 2: So you don't have a sex, you don't have that

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Speaker 2: seven second delay. I know, Mark, don't worry. It's not

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Speaker 4: Probably shouldn't have said that, I want to come back

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Speaker 4: to the rugby. Actually he's plenty to talk about in

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Speaker 4: the rugby.

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Speaker 2: But on the cricket.

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Speaker 4: I see that the Pakistan League has been moved to

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Speaker 3: No word on that yet. But it's just a it's

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Speaker 3: just a messy, sad situation, isn't it. And you know

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Speaker 3: security issues and I'm you know, usually you know my

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Speaker 3: sport can't do that and doesn't seem to be any

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Speaker 4: Tell you what Lavina I was surprise was confused by rather,

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's there's a hidden message there somewhere,

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Speaker 5: I would assume. But going back on what Adam said,

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Speaker 5: because it's a world class rivalry India versus Pakistan, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, now, Levina, Okay, tell me what you are

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Speaker 5: Mark Robinson's name has been touted a lot and why

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Speaker 5: wouldn't it be nineteen and a half million dollars in

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Speaker 2: So the money and the investment, I know, it's all

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Speaker 5: We need to make it look really financially viable and

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, Levina, there's no money to invest in grassroots

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Speaker 2: Half lot of money. Like that's ridiculous. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: But on the back of that, they say they're trying

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Speaker 5: and what they want to do is own those broadcast costs.

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Speaker 5: They want to make sure that they broadcast it themselves

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Speaker 2: I think, poops, do you think the silver Lake deal is?

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Speaker 4: Can we look at it now and say it's not

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Speaker 3: Well, it certainly hasn't had the impact that you know

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Speaker 3: And I think the problem that Rugby has. You know

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Speaker 3: to New Zealanders. I just don't have that feeling. And

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Speaker 1: It's right, Paris Esman.

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Speaker 4: I'd say, okay, guys, will take a quick break, come

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Speaker 4: Reach write You're back with the sports huddle, Adam Cooper Levina,

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Speaker 4: Good Levina, I'm confuseder do you do you know what's

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Speaker 4: going on with knickball? It seems like, so what do

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Speaker 4: the players have to play one hundred Test caps in

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Speaker 4: of the play overseas?

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Speaker 5: Is that the rule Okay, So what I'm saying, Levina,

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Speaker 5: stupid rule hither And I don't think there is the rule.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's in writing that you have to

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Speaker 5: if that's the case, it's only like seven players that

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Speaker 2: Or let's look at cricket, let's look at the black Caps.

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Speaker 5: What if we said every player that played for the

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Speaker 5: IPL were not allowed to play for the black Caps.

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Speaker 5: I would love to send a message out to the

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Speaker 5: drop the rule completely. There's no one hundred rule anyway,

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Speaker 5: But get your board to come out and say this

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Speaker 5: is not right and why is right? Because here's the question.

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Speaker 5: Do you want one of the best shooters and one

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Speaker 5: wear Canary who knows it's a silly rule, get rid

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Speaker 4: Could not agree with you more.

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Speaker 3: What do you say, Coops, Absolutely get it done. You know,

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Speaker 3: There's been so much confusion around it and really fascinating

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Speaker 3: seeing a lot of players almost break rank from what

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Speaker 3: a netball it's not like rugby where players have lists

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Speaker 3: of options. You know, Japan, Prance allywhere else around the world.

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Speaker 3: Netball in New Zealand is one of the premier competitions

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Speaker 3: money going to England's Australia. They're ready the only options.

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Speaker 3: So we just have to look at this and say

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Speaker 3: make it happen.

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Speaker 4: Lavina, who is this Braxton that you want to talk about?

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Speaker 5: So we realized that there's a very important rugby match

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Speaker 5: Australia's in Newcastle and we often beat the Australians all

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Speaker 5: the time, all the time. But Branson Sorenson McKee is

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Speaker 5: eighteen years of age. She is about to make her

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Speaker 5: pedigree which is the Sorenson Boys curtin Dame Sorenson Rugby League.

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Speaker 5: I've watched her throughout the All Picky competition in the

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Speaker 5: Woodman Whickli, ahead of Stacey Walker, ahead of Georgia Miller

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Speaker 5: as well. And this kid is someone to watch. And

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Speaker 5: I think as a country, we don't just have to

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Speaker 5: wait until our national side plays in a World Cup

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Speaker 5: where we.

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Speaker 2: Go, Oh, let's watch the tricks, Let's watch the women.

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Speaker 2: This will be fun. Oh my gosh, they're world champions.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I love women's rugby.

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Speaker 5: Keep an eye out for this kid eighteen making her

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Speaker 5: debut against Australia in Newcastle. She can light up that

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Speaker 5: rugby field.

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Speaker 2: Mate. She is she the one Levina?

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Speaker 4: Is she the one that Darcy Waldgraves is calling the

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Speaker 4: ghost runner?

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Speaker 2: She's got it. You've got the one, You've got the one. Yep.

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Speaker 2: She is phenomenal.

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Speaker 5: She is fast and she is elusive, and she's as

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Speaker 5: good as any rugby fullback I have seen in the

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Speaker 5: last decade. She is outstanding, male or female.

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Speaker 4: Do you know about her? Coops? Did you just also

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Speaker 4: get a lesson like me?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I got to meet her last week actually they were

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Speaker 3: was very emotional after being named in her first squad

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Speaker 3: last week and you could see what it meant to

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Speaker 1: To face.

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Speaker 3: She seemed incredibly passionate, incredibly excited to make an impact.

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Speaker 3: She's obviously worked really hard, and yeah, really excited to

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Speaker 3: see what what she can offer in World Cup year

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Speaker 3: and keeping those senior players out, those World Cup winners

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Speaker 3: that Levina mentioned in World Cup year, this early stages

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Speaker 3: is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, watch the space, i'd say photo confidence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, guys, thank you so much, go and enjoy

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