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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather du pass on and Drive with

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Coming up on today's show, we got another twist,

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Speaker 3: can you believe it? In the Beckonridge case. We'll go

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Speaker 3: to our reporter for that. We'll get Northland Regional Council's

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Speaker 3: reaction to the new highway through the brin Durwins and

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Speaker 3: we'll tell you about the help for its new help

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Speaker 3: as well for rugby players at risk of brain injuries.

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Speaker 3: Heather dupericy, Alan Winston's in trouble with the opposition again,

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Speaker 3: isn't he. He's in trouble with the opposition again. Yes, again,

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Speaker 3: someone in the opposition's gone crying to Daddy, calling on

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to sort Winston Peters out. I mean,

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Speaker 3: last time this happened, it was because he was mean

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Speaker 3: to old Bossy Galore. This time it's because he threatened

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Speaker 3: to defund Radio New Zealand. Now he did this this

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Speaker 3: morning and what I'd considered to be a highly entertaining

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Speaker 3: tantrum actually because he got cross at arn Z for

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Speaker 3: business is going on about Winston is utterly pointless, and

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Speaker 3: I bet you Labour knows it, but they're doing it anyway.

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Speaker 3: And it's pointless because number one, you and I both

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Speaker 3: know that Luxon is not going to sort out Winston Peters.

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Speaker 3: Luxon needs Winston more than Winston needs Luxon right now.

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Speaker 3: And number two, Winston is not wrong. Radio New Zealand

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Speaker 3: of sixty percent. That's huge. I do not know of

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Speaker 3: any other major media organization in this country that has

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Speaker 3: despite all of that money, objectively, they're doing a cruddy

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Speaker 3: When Winston accused Radio New Zealand of having a woke

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Speaker 3: said that. Now, look, I know this is politics, so

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Speaker 3: the media seems to be at an all time low.

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Speaker 3: And also, don't forget this, It's hardly a shock, is it.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters attacks the media. I mean that could have

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Speaker 1: Heather Duples L one two nine two is the.

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Speaker 3: Text number standard text fees apply now talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 3: A campaign is underway to stop what looks like an

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Speaker 3: attempt to set up co governance over Auckland's why Parkety Rangers.

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Speaker 3: The council wants to set up a decision making committee

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Speaker 3: which is made up fifty percent of tongue at the

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Speaker 3: And this will come as a surprise to you if

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Speaker 3: to co governance. Auckland City Councilor Richard Hills is with

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Speaker 4: Hello, Richard, surea, how are you? How's the mum life?

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Speaker 3: You're right awesome, Thank you, It's very good. Thank you, Richard.

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Speaker 3: We could talk for hours about it, and we often do.

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Speaker 3: You and I let's talk about the co governance. Why

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Speaker 4: So this two thousand, well two thousand and eight, so

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Speaker 4: Part of giving effect to that, we've suggested setting up

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Speaker 3: So this particular committee, this will make the decisions about

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Speaker 4: No, so they basically restricted to setting up a working

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Speaker 3: But I just want to understand the power of the committee.

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Speaker 4: Basically set up a plan.

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Speaker 3: Set up a plan.

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Speaker 3: So they've got no power all they just they just

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Speaker 3: they're just like a sounding board. They have no power.

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Speaker 3: So how do we pay for this nonsense that doesn't

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Speaker 4: Well, hopefully it's less than we're doing now because at

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Speaker 3: So what's why they obligated to go to these groups?

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Speaker 4: Because they'll they'll go to Mantifena and talk to them,

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Speaker 3: That is now the council. So the Council could delegate

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Speaker 4: Only if it only if its thought that that made sense.

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Speaker 3: Or it was that that makes sense. So I can

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Speaker 3: isn't it, Richard.

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Speaker 4: I think the disappointing thing of all the kind of

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Speaker 3: That's right, Richard, And because it sucks, people want to

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Speaker 4: People working together for the better min Original Park.

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Speaker 3: I think the problem here is that there are unelected

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Speaker 4: No, they're thereby the fact that they're then for the area.

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Speaker 3: Different words to describe exactly the same thing, Richard, Listen,

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Speaker 3: about this apparently to Carludo Amaki want to shut down

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Speaker 4: No, I've seen proposals where they want to close off

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Speaker 4: But with the government's council and Manafina have already worked

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Speaker 3: Will you assure me, can you assure me that that

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Speaker 4: That no one can do that apart from the council.

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Speaker 5: Was he your friend?

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Speaker 3: Was he for three years?

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 5: Very good, And there'll always be debate around what he

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Speaker 3: And how much poot here? Oh, I don't know. They

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No one talks about money here.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know, just just showing off my white credentials

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Speaker 5: She's so woke, all right, conversations with Winston.

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Speaker 3: And clearly that is what's going to happen. It's like

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Speaker 1: They'd be recamping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 12: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Right, Thomas Coglin. It's going to be with us to

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Speaker 3: Mitch McCann out of the US is standing by for us. Listen,

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive well.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six people have been killed by gunmen in Indian

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has promised to get Australia's defense spending to

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Speaker 13: They're not saying where the money is coming from. They're

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Speaker 3: And finally, an old wives tail has come true for

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Speaker 3: So the man got home from a trip to the

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with NS and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Mitch mccanner's o US correspondent.

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Speaker 14: Home, Mitch, Hey, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So why is Trump standing?

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Speaker 3: By Pete Haigseeth.

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Speaker 14: There are a couple of reasons for this. Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: Would Trump not want to get rid of him just

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Speaker 14: It's difficult at this point because Donald Trump has said

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Speaker 14: from the start that he would not want to get

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Speaker 14: rid of him, or he is refusing to get rid

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Speaker 14: of him. In fact, reporters were in the Oval office

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Speaker 14: yesterday talking to Donald Trump, and he really dunk his

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Speaker 14: heels in and said he's not going anywhere. In fact,

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Speaker 14: he said, ask the hoothies how he's doing. In fact,

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Speaker 14: it's the hoothy rebels that he fired those missiles out

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Speaker 14: I mean he was discussed in the signal.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Mitch, Like, It's one thing

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Speaker 3: to fire somebody and for it to be seen as

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Speaker 3: a scalp, but it's quite another thing for Pete higg

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Speaker 3: Seth to you know, be talked around to saying, look this,

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Speaker 3: I'm becoming a distraction to the administration and I am

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Speaker 3: going to stand down because clearly this guy is a liability.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, he does seem very much like liability. The

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Speaker 14: problem is that if he asked Higgsy to resign, it

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Speaker 14: would be obvious that Donald Trump has asked him to

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Speaker 14: do so because he's dug his hills in so hard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he's gone and booked himself on Fox

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Speaker 3: News hoping to kind of, you know, get a soft

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Speaker 3: interview obviously and get rid of this problem. It's only

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Speaker 3: made it worse, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 14: He was on Fox and Friends this morning, which is

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Speaker 14: actually what his previous job was before he you know,

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Speaker 14: was over seeing three million people at the Department of Defense.

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Speaker 14: He thought he was going to get an easy interview,

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Speaker 14: but it was quite difficult. And the reporting here suggests

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Speaker 14: that many people are not feeling good about it. They

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Speaker 14: aren't feeling that he did a good job. In fact,

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Speaker 14: he really dug in on that interview. It lasted quite

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Speaker 14: some time, and he says this is a media smear

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Speaker 14: campaign and that no war plans were shared. But I

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Speaker 14: think the story isn't going to go anywhere, although the

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Speaker 14: presidency is as I say that he's not going to

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Speaker 14: sack him.

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Speaker 3: Yea, hey, listen, how is this thing going for Trump?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, this is developing pretty quickly. Harvard University has decided

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Speaker 14: it's going to sue the Trump administration. It actually sets

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Speaker 14: the stage for a major court battle between America's oldest

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Speaker 14: and richest university and the White House. This is because

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Speaker 14: the government decided to freeze a couple of billion dollars

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Speaker 14: in funding when Harvard refused to comply with a list

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Speaker 14: of demands from the White House. What were the demands?

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Speaker 16: Well, the White House.

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Speaker 14: Asked Harvard to reduce the power of students and staff.

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Speaker 14: It asked it to report foreign students who violate the

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Speaker 14: Code of Conduct, and it also asked Harvard to bring

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Speaker 14: it auditors to ensure that Harvard is quote viewpoint diverse.

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Speaker 14: I think there the administration is worried that many of

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Speaker 14: these institutions are too liberal, too left leaning, and they

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Speaker 14: want to be assured that there are conservatives on campus.

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Speaker 14: Harvard refused, and now it faces two billion dollars in

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Speaker 14: funding freezes and it's taking them to court.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it sounds like, I mean, you tell me

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Speaker 3: if this is how you read it. But it sounds

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Speaker 3: like the Trump administration realizes this is problematic because they

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Speaker 3: want to talk to Harvard and negotiate, but Harvard is

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Speaker 3: refusing to negotiate, suggesting that they feel pretty keen, pretty

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Speaker 3: strongly that they can win.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right. Harvard sees the government is trying to

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Speaker 14: gain leverage over the university. It says, this is part

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Speaker 14: of a pressure campaign. And I think to your point,

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Speaker 14: the government thought they might have been in for a

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Speaker 14: win here because so many other universities, high standard universities, folded.

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Speaker 14: And one of the questions people have is can't Harvard

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Speaker 14: They'll be fine, won't they because they have so much money. Yes,

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Speaker 14: they have a lot of money. They've got fifty three

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Speaker 14: billion dollars in an endowment. That's when the money gets given. Sorry,

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Speaker 14: the university gets given money from all sorts of places philanthropy.

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Speaker 14: But the problem there is that more than eighty percent

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Speaker 14: of that money is restricted to specific uses, so Harvard

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Speaker 14: can't just go out and spend fifty million dollars. It's

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Speaker 14: limited to things like scholarships, libraries, and construction programs projects.

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Speaker 14: So Harvard really does have to fight this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mitch, listen, thanks very much for talking us through that,

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Speaker 3: which we can our us correspondent Listen. You probably have

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Speaker 3: seen it by now because it's been news for the

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Speaker 3: last few hours, but it is worth mentioning because it's

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Speaker 3: such a big deal. Looks like Donald Trump is going

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Speaker 3: to back down on those ridiculous Chinese tariffs. He said

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Speaker 3: there's a White House press conference and he said the

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Speaker 3: tariffs will come down substantially. Now they won't be zero,

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Speaker 3: but he has promised he's not going to play hard

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Speaker 3: ball here, and of course this is being seen as

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Speaker 3: a backdown and a softening on his position. Now, for

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Speaker 3: the record, I never believed he was going to Did

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Speaker 3: anyone else believe he was going to do this? Did

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Speaker 3: anyone else actually believe he was going to slap China

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Speaker 3: with one hundred and forty five percent tariffs? I mean,

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Speaker 3: clearly some people did, because the market's went completely nuts,

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Speaker 3: But did you really think he was going to do it?

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like if something sounds like ridiculously crazy,

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Speaker 3: then maybe we should discount it as be as being

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Speaker 3: something he's going to do. Because what we need to

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Speaker 3: understand this is what we should have learned from the

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Speaker 3: first Trump administration. Clearly no one has, is that the

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Speaker 3: guy is a blowhard.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: He says a whole bunch and talks big, going to

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Speaker 3: do all these things, and he doesn't actually do them.

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Speaker 3: So I think a good policy with Donald Trump would

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Speaker 3: be that don't that perhaps don't get too excited about

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Speaker 3: what he says, and maybe get a little bit more

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Speaker 3: excited about what he does so when he does it,

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Speaker 3: by all means get angry about it. But if he

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Speaker 3: just says he's going to do it, just keep you

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Speaker 3: powder dry. He might not do it. Case in points

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Speaker 3: seventeen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political Editers of this, Hey, Thomas Heather, Hello,

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Speaker 3: When Labor goes crying to Daddy and saying the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister needs to come and sort out Winston, they do

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Speaker 3: not for one second believe the Prime Minister is going

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Speaker 3: to sort out Winston.

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Speaker 17: Do they No, I don't think so. In fact, I asked,

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Speaker 17: I asked Chris Hepkins about this today. Actually he had.

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Speaker 17: He made the point, look, if the prime minister is that,

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Speaker 17: you know, as the prime minister, he should treat all

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Speaker 17: of his ministers equally when they when they get things wrong.

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Speaker 17: Obviously that's that's good in theory. But the allegations obviously

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Speaker 17: that Christopher Luxon doesn't treat the act ministers and doesn't

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Speaker 17: treat the New Zealand First minute is as equally as

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Speaker 17: he does his own National ministers. And Chris Upkins said,

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Speaker 17: you know, look, we always, we basically always did that,

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Speaker 17: and he was actually referring to the time when he

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Speaker 17: was Prime Minister when of course all the ministers barring

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Speaker 17: the Green Ones were labor ministers because they were a

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Speaker 17: majority government. And I seem to recall, you know, under

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Speaker 17: the under their Don years in that first term, it

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Speaker 17: wasn't always the case that the that the New Zealand

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Speaker 17: first ministers were treated equally to the labor ministers, you know,

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Speaker 17: people like clear current metaphyal he had the book thrown

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Speaker 17: at them and and sometimes those New Zealand First Ministers.

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Speaker 17: You know, there's those issues around around the regional flights

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Speaker 17: and Shane Jones having a bit of a cracket at

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Speaker 17: the chief Executive of the New Zealand at the time,

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Speaker 17: Christopher Luxen and and and just sindadun Gave gave the

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Speaker 17: New Zealand First Ministers a pretty long leash back then,

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Speaker 17: as I recall. So I think there was a wee

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Speaker 17: bit of hypocrisy here totally.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard the rumor that arranz it is going

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Speaker 3: to have its funding cut in the budget?

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Speaker 17: Yes, I have, I have. I've heard. I think this

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Speaker 17: is been reported a media insider in the Herald. It

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Speaker 17: looks like they might be looking to take some of

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Speaker 17: that funding from our insent and putting it put it

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Speaker 17: into a contestable fund of some sort, maybe an engine

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Speaker 17: on their style fund, for some of the private media

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Speaker 17: companies to do other stuff with. I'm not sure exactly

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Speaker 17: the details of that, but but yes, I have actually

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Speaker 17: heard that, And so I wouldn't say that if if

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Speaker 17: there is a funding cut, I wouldn't say that it

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Speaker 17: would be because of what happened.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, And that's the thing, right, I mean

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Speaker 3: and this is where labor is really drawing a very

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Speaker 3: long bow because it's already kind of public. Well, we

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Speaker 3: already had heard these rumors, it's already going to happen.

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Speaker 3: So when Winston said it was more like he accidentally

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Speaker 3: lets something out of the bag rather than he was

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Speaker 3: threatening them with the funding cut.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, precisely. And the way that his words were this morning,

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Speaker 17: I sort of I felt that he was you could

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Speaker 17: read them in a certain way that he was saying,

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Speaker 17: this is why this is happening.

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Speaker 6: Rub Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Total.

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Speaker 3: So how do we feel about this expensive road North?

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Speaker 17: Well, look, I have been on the existing road. I'm

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Speaker 17: not I'm not an Norton do. I live in Wellington,

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Speaker 17: and I have to say it's it's a it's not

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Speaker 17: a great not a great road. The first part is

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Speaker 17: that it's so I can see a statement, right, Yeah, whenever,

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Speaker 17: whenever we do a story about this road, everyone everyone

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Speaker 17: loves reading about it. People can't get enough of this road.

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Speaker 17: It is certainly a very expensive road. I think you know,

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Speaker 17: we've heard figures are up to ten billion dollars, so

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Speaker 17: that that might be a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 17: a problem. You can sort of see some people in

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Speaker 17: the South Island looking obviously up at Northland thinking hey,

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Speaker 17: you know, ten billion dollars of paper on roads down south.

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Speaker 17: But but I don't I have to say I don't

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Speaker 17: regrudge Northland as Northland as that road that is a

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Speaker 17: pretty that is a pretty rough stretch of Stay Highway.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Thomas, I do not get upset anymore about the

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Speaker 3: Marti Party not turning up at things like the Privileges Committee, right,

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Speaker 3: because should we not just accept that these people are

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Speaker 3: the whole the whole point of their party is to

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Speaker 3: kind of push back against rules. Here they have an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to do exactly that They're going to do it,

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Speaker 3: aren't they.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, they do seem to operate in a very sort

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Speaker 17: of TikTok universe, you know, I sort of I sometimes

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Speaker 17: read a lot of what they do. You know that

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Speaker 17: they're thinking about how this look on TikTok, how this

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Speaker 17: look on social media, rather than actually engaging in good faith.

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Speaker 17: Look that they make some arguments around t kanger in

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Speaker 17: the House and changing the rules of the House to

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Speaker 17: be more accommodating. Parliament has an obligation to hear those objections.

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Speaker 17: But but they're not going to hear them if the

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Speaker 17: Marli Party aren't actually in the room to make those comments,

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Speaker 17: and so yeah, I would say, and Labor thinks they

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Speaker 17: should shot up to their likely coalition partners. So I

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Speaker 17: think I think it probably would be fear for them

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Speaker 17: to shotup. It's pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: What's the punishment if they don't show up?

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Speaker 17: Well, that they can they the Privileges Committee has very

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Speaker 17: broad powers. They can they can issue fines, they can

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Speaker 17: issue punishments of of I think in the in the

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Speaker 17: in the past that they could actually issue the jail terms,

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Speaker 17: which I don't think is on the table this time run,

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Speaker 17: but a long time ago they could do that. I

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Speaker 17: think they can actually issue fines, doc pay continve with

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Speaker 17: the House. It is it is a bit of a

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Speaker 17: week Bustack and you saw it last Yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Thomas, isn't this actually exposing the ridiculousness of these rules,

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Speaker 3: Like it's a convention that people actually behave themselves properly

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Speaker 3: in Parliament and there's no actual real punishment if you don't.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean that is that is that is the

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Speaker 17: real the real dilemma at the heart of this, which

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Speaker 17: is that you know, Parliament can only function if one

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Speaker 17: hundred and twenty MPs agree that they're all going to

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Speaker 17: act up some of the time. But here's the line,

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Speaker 17: and if you cross the line, then you know, there's

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Speaker 17: an acceptance that you sort of stand withdraw and apologize

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Speaker 17: and come back and too, you know what's permitted. If

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Speaker 17: one party does regularly behave in the way that's very

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Speaker 17: disruptive and not within those rules, then that is going

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Speaker 17: to be a really big problem. So they all need

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Speaker 17: to the multi party everyone else needs to sort it

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Speaker 17: out because it won't you know, it won't function if

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Speaker 17: they can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true, Hey, thank you very much. As always, Thomas,

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Speaker 3: it's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. Either you miss

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Speaker 3: the point. If the markets hadn't gone Craig Cray over

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Speaker 3: Trump introducing the China tariffs, there is no guarantee he

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Speaker 3: would have backed down. He's so stupid he believes his

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Speaker 3: own bullshit. That's a fair point. If some people hadn't

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Speaker 3: taken him seriously, clear the markets took him seriously, And

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Speaker 3: if the markets hadn't taken him seriously and completely flipped out,

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Speaker 3: who knows, maybe he would have done it. But so

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Speaker 3: there's a flaw in my argument there, but I never

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Speaker 3: took him seriously and look guess what, guess you got

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Speaker 3: proof right in the end? Well actually, actually, to be fair,

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Speaker 3: he says he's indicating he's going to back down. He

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Speaker 3: hasn't back down yet, so I also cannot take him

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Speaker 3: at his word right now, can I? We'll see what

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Speaker 3: happens eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: The preferred route for the Northland Expressway rather than bypassing

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Speaker 16: the brin durwins, we're planning to go right over the

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Speaker 16: top of the transport Minister Chris Bishop, what do you

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Speaker 16: reckon the chances of a massive blowout?

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Speaker 18: Undoubtedly a challenging project, the geology, the terrain, so absolutely

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Speaker 18: there's a chance that things will slip.

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Speaker 16: But that's why we're doing a lot of work right now.

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Speaker 16: I've been reading about the Hujiang Grand Canyon Bridge. Do

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Speaker 16: you know about that? Vaguely familiar with it yet? Right so,

702
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Speaker 16: it opens in June. It's the world's tallest bridge. They

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Speaker 16: started building it in twenty two, they're finishing in twenty five.

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Speaker 16: How can the Chinese build the world's tallest bridge in

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Speaker 16: three years? And we can't even build a road in

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Speaker 16: fifteen Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 16: with a Vida News talk z'.

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Speaker 3: Be he the why is Northland more important for infrastructure

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Speaker 3: than any other regions. It's hard to see how Northland's

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Speaker 3: economy can justify a ten percent of infrastructure spend. Will

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Speaker 3: that ever be recovered? I doubt it. This has always

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Speaker 3: been Auckland's holiday highway and little about economic growth. That's

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Speaker 3: from Paul. I actually, do you know what? Totally disagree

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Speaker 3: with that? Totally disagree with that. I mean, undoubtedly you

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Speaker 3: know there will be the Mike Hoss gangs up the

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Speaker 3: world and the Trishasans up the world have got holiday

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Speaker 3: homes up there like whatever. I don't really know how, Mama,

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Speaker 3: I could just be defaming them. But they seem to

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Speaker 3: love going on that road, don't they love going up north?

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Speaker 19: I'm sure trishas sit on here that she loves the

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Speaker 19: day of islands before.

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Speaker 3: I think think Trish may have a little house up there.

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Speaker 3: So for some people, absolutely it's going to be it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a holiday highway. But look, I mean

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Speaker 3: i'd defy you, okay if you haven't been up North,

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Speaker 3: go up north and then come back and tell me

727
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Speaker 3: if that place looks like New Zealand to you, because

728
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Speaker 3: it is just like the underdevelopment of Northland is actually

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Speaker 3: shocking when you go up there. When I go up there,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how did we forget about this place? It's

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Speaker 3: like everybody else is still in the is in the

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Speaker 3: twenty first century, and these guys are just having a

733
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Speaker 3: rough time up there because it's so bloody hard to

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Speaker 3: get up there, and it's so expensive to fly into

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Speaker 3: Kitty Kitty, and I feel but it is one of

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Speaker 3: the most beautiful parts of this country. I mean, that

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Speaker 3: place should be full of resorts and all kinds of

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Speaker 3: like fun things going on in Northland, and it's just

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Speaker 3: not happening. And I feel like if we spend the

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Speaker 3: money on this road, we may actually open it up

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Speaker 3: and start to get the rewards, the economic returns. So

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Speaker 3: I would say it's not a holiday place, It's not

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Speaker 3: only a holiday destination. And while it may not economically

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Speaker 3: be able to justify the spend right now, it will

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Speaker 3: in time. So let's put the money in and let's

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Speaker 3: see what happens. I don't think we're going to regret

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Speaker 3: it at all. Anyway, we are going to talk to

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Speaker 3: a Northern Regional counselor about that. They'll be with us shortly. Also, jeez,

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Speaker 3: it's like the seven plagues are happening to Wellington at

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Speaker 3: the moment. I don't if you read that they've got

751
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Speaker 3: the millipedes. They've got the millipedes. They say, it's like

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Speaker 3: these are a problem. They've come over from Australia. I mean,

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Speaker 3: first of all, they were, they were They've been cursed

754
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Speaker 3: with the council then they were cursed with Tory. Now

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Speaker 3: that cursed with the millipedes, and of course the weather.

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Speaker 3: And it's the seven plagues happening there right now. We're

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Speaker 3: going to go to one of the councilors who can

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Speaker 3: talk us through what's going on with the millipede. Apparently

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Speaker 3: we don't we don't recognize them as a pest and

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Speaker 3: so they're not being eradicated and that there is the

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Speaker 3: major problem. Anyway. Stand By News Talks theb.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin to find the real story. Sory,

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Speaker 1: it's Heather Dupasy on drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon. Two days and two twists, in

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Speaker 3: the case of the disappearance of John Becket and his

767
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Speaker 3: steps on Mike Shobeck and Regin. Now what's been called

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Speaker 3: and what has been called a complete turnaround. A man

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Speaker 3: who claimed that his cousin told him that they actually

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Speaker 3: helped the beck and Ridges escape has now retracted his

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Speaker 3: allegation altogether. Analyiska is a senior crime reporter for the Heroine.

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Speaker 3: She's been at the hearing. Anna, Hello, Hello, what happened?

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Speaker 3: How did he retract it?

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Speaker 20: Well, we got to court this morning and apparently he

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Speaker 20: was shown his police statement which he was to read

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Speaker 20: in court before he was sort of questioned by the

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Speaker 20: different parties, and he said, oh, no, I didn't say that.

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Speaker 16: That's wrong.

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Speaker 20: So we had to come into court and he read

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Speaker 20: through his statement and then said, you know, that's what

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Speaker 20: the police have in this document. But I didn't say

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Speaker 20: it and I never said that, and he didn't say

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Speaker 20: this to me. You know, I signed my police statement,

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Speaker 20: I signed the typed version. But it's an anomaly. I

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Speaker 20: didn't say it. I didn't realize so that the Crown

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Speaker 20: described it as a complete turnaround, and yeah, he then

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Speaker 20: retracted all the other goations he'd made against his cousin,

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Speaker 20: his cousin's wife, and other members of the community.

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Speaker 3: Is this plausible? I mean, is this the first of this,

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Speaker 3: This the first time he's actually realized what his statement says, Well, it.

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Speaker 20: Might have been the first time he's read it in

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Speaker 20: a while. He would have obviously had to sign, and

793
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Speaker 20: he said in court he signed the handwritten statement that

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Speaker 20: police took from him at his home.

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Speaker 3: He also signed the typed version.

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Speaker 20: So you know why he didn't notice that these things

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Speaker 20: were in it that he apparently didn't say. He said

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Speaker 20: that the cops read his house for four or five hours.

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Speaker 3: It became a social occasion.

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Speaker 20: They were talking about theories and what could have happened,

801
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Speaker 20: and he just the word he used was it was

802
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Speaker 20: an anomaly that he didn't notice. The police had recorded

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Speaker 20: him as saying that. So you know the flip side, obviously,

804
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Speaker 20: is the Crown put to him that he was He

805
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Speaker 20: was pretty disgruntled his cousin had bought the family farm.

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Speaker 3: He thought he was entitled to some of it.

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Speaker 20: He wanted his his chunk of it. And this was

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Speaker 20: you know, him him bringing this to the police into

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Speaker 20: court was motivated by him wanting, you know, part of

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Speaker 20: that family property.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the cousin who he's implicated here, he also

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Speaker 3: spoke to the inquest today, did.

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Speaker 20: He Yeah, Look, he said that he has never met

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Speaker 20: Mike Beckenridge or sorry John and Mike Beckenridge. He's never

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Speaker 20: he'd never heard of them or seen photos of them.

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Speaker 20: Until it was in the media. He considered that he

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Speaker 20: probably did have a phone call with his cousin and

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Speaker 20: he very may well have said something to the effect

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Speaker 20: of there.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 20: Now, now that was discussed in court today, and this

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Speaker 20: this man is he's a pastor in a church, and

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Speaker 20: it was sort of, you know, all agreed that maybe

824
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Speaker 20: what he was meaning was that wherever they are, off

825
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Speaker 20: the cliff or otherwise, there with God either way, and

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Speaker 20: so everybody agreed that if anything was said, that might

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Speaker 20: have been sort of the flame of it. But he,

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Speaker 20: you know, he said to his cousin, I forgive you.

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Speaker 20: I think you've been motivated because you want part of

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Speaker 20: the farm. You know, I forgive you, but I don't

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Speaker 20: want anything more to do with you. So it's quite

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Speaker 20: quite the eventful morning in court.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wild hey Anna, thanks very much, appreciate it. An

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Speaker 3: a lease. The Herald Senior Crime.

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Speaker 16: Reporter Heather Duel.

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Speaker 3: So we know the government's revealed its plans for the

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Speaker 3: New Northland Expressway today over the brin Durwin Hills. It's

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Speaker 3: tipped to be one of the country's most expensive infrastructure projects,

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Speaker 3: with about a dollar per ten dollars spent by the

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Speaker 3: government on infrastructure projects estimated to be spent on it

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Speaker 3: for the next couple of decades. Northland Regional Council Chair

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Speaker 3: Joe Carr calls us a crucial move for the region

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Speaker 3: and he's with us.

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Speaker 21: Hey, Joe, Well, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Why a crucial move?

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Speaker 21: Oh, it's absolutely vital. We've we've got two really scary

847
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Speaker 21: sections of the State Highway between Auckland and fung Array

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Speaker 21: Dome Valley and the Brindo and we've had it shut

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Speaker 21: for periods of up to four months. That comes a

850
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Speaker 21: huge economic and disruptive costs to the northern community and

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Speaker 21: it comes to the cost to New Zealand too.

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Speaker 3: Why the cost of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a.

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Speaker 21: Huge amount of export product and international tourists are interrupted.

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Speaker 21: There's a lot of logging traffic that was canceled that

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Speaker 21: would have gone out from places like Helensville, out through

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Speaker 21: Northport and it's sort of a reputational cost that people

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Speaker 21: aren't secure in making decisions to do with holidaying and

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Speaker 21: investing in Northland. So it's pretty serious stuff.

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Speaker 3: Now, are you okay with the possibility that it might

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Speaker 3: be a toll road?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 21: I've been on the Transport Committee, Regional Transport Committee since

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Speaker 21: nineteen ninety eight, mostly on and sometimes off. We got

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Speaker 21: right behind tolling. Our pert it wouldn't have happened without

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Speaker 21: a toll and we unreservedly backed tolling it and it

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Speaker 21: wouldn't happen without it. So you know, we support toll

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Speaker 21: that they've got to be realistic and affordable, but you

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Speaker 21: know there's a way. One thing we do question is

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Speaker 21: this this cost for the Brindo in section. Okay, so

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Speaker 21: we're looking at sort of six six odd kilometers of

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Speaker 21: road and if you cost it out at what the

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Speaker 21: Johnson's Tunnel through the Walkworth costs at fifty thousand a

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Speaker 21: linear meter, we're only only looking at three hundred odd

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Speaker 21: million now, so that just gives you an indication we

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Speaker 21: don't have the extensive viaducts involved. So the figures figures

877
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Speaker 21: are being thrown around about the cost of this section.

878
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Speaker 21: There's a vital section because we don't have decent detail

879
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 21: routes and it just needs to be done. So we

880
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Speaker 21: just we can't determine that the real costs until the

881
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Speaker 21: geotechnic investigations are completed. And we've had assurances from the

882
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Speaker 21: Minister of Transport, mister Bishrip. We are very appreciative of

883
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Speaker 21: these assurances that the geotech crews, when they finished with

884
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Speaker 21: the section between Walkworth and Tihana, are going to move

885
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Speaker 21: on to this section. So you know, that's great news.

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Speaker 6: So look, it's.

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Speaker 21: Excellent news today, but we really really want to see

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Speaker 21: that spade go on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, bet you do. Joe, Thanks very much and

890
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: good luck with the Joeka Council, Chair of northand Regional Council.

891
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: I said seven plagues on Wellington. Obviously, if you've read

892
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Speaker 3: your Bible, it's ten. I got corrected by the Catholic

893
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Speaker 3: and the team who told me it's twelve plagues. So

894
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Speaker 3: I said seven, he said twelve. We were both wrong.

895
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Speaker 3: In fact, it's ten. Thank you to the for the

896
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Speaker 3: atheist who co corrected us. So it's not the week

897
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Speaker 3: to be upsetting anybody in the Christian faith. It is

898
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Speaker 3: a big week for the Christians. Listen, I have to

899
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Speaker 3: tell you what's going on with this plan. Well, you're

900
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Speaker 3: not going to believe this. Actually, you probably are going

901
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: to believe it because weird things happen with government money.

902
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Speaker 3: So let me tell you about Plunkett in a minute, Heather,

903
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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you on the Northland thing. As

904
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Speaker 3: one who drives most weekly, almost weekly from Auckland to

905
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Speaker 3: Northland on business, one hundred percent agree the road is

906
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Speaker 3: an appalling condition and desperate need of replacement. The people

907
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: who criticize Northland as a region I suspect have never

908
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Speaker 3: seen the untapped beauty and opportunity that lies beyond Auckland.

909
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Speaker 3: Full steam ahead, I say, and you know what I reckon.

910
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: A lot of people have been up there will agree

911
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: completely with Graham quarter Past heads up. The rsay's annual

912
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Speaker 3: Poppy Appeal is underway now every day. The RSA supports

913
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Speaker 3: veterans of military service and their FARNO in every community

914
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Speaker 3: of this country. With over sixty thousand veterans created since

915
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety alone, demand for their services has never been higher.

916
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Speaker 3: Military personnel. I don't need to tell you this, you

917
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: already know. It can be affected mentally and physically by

918
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Speaker 3: both the environments that they are required to serve in

919
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Speaker 3: and also the situations they were exposed to. And while

920
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: most will have no issues, some will struggle to reintegrate,

921
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: will suffer from past injuries, or will experience ongoing mental

922
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Speaker 3: health issues as a result of their service. Now support

923
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Speaker 3: is available through RISA, but because they are not funded,

924
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: they rely on our help. And this year there are

925
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Speaker 3: many more ways that you can give. You can text

926
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Speaker 3: Poppy to eight five nine five. That's Poppy to eight

927
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: five nine five to instantly donate three dollars. You can

928
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: donate online at arisa dot org, dot mz slash donate,

929
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: or of course look out for the street collectors on

930
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Speaker 3: Poppy Day. Heather Dooper cl coming up nineteen past five. Now,

931
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Speaker 3: Wellington apparently has a millipede problem. I mean, does anybody

932
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: in the country have a milliped problem? No, but Wellington

933
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: has a milliped problem, and specifically or Federal Bay and Wellington.

934
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Speaker 3: Apparently hundreds of these Portuguese millipedes are scuppling into houses

935
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Speaker 3: at night. But the problem is they're not considered a

936
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Speaker 3: east in the country, so no authorities are doing anything

937
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Speaker 3: about it now. NeuroD and Abdurrahmen is one of the

938
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Speaker 3: local ward counselors and he's with us home mate. Oh,

939
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: how bad is it?

940
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Speaker 10: It's pretty bad from what I'm hearing from local residents,

941
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Speaker 10: and one of the resident explaining she can't work out

942
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Speaker 10: at her house without stepping on mini pits and sometimes

943
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Speaker 10: coming inside the house.

944
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh so what are they coming inside the house? And

945
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: then they're dying and overnight and then people find all

946
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Speaker 3: these little dead bodies in the morning.

947
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Speaker 10: That is what seems to be happening.

948
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, now I mean at this, I mean, you

949
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Speaker 3: could tell me if I'm wrong, but it just sounds

950
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: to me like it's a nuisance problem. It's not actually

951
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: hurting anyone. It's just a bit of a kerfuffle having

952
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: to vacuum them up in the morning.

953
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

954
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Speaker 10: Well, I think to begin with, I think we need

955
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Speaker 10: an epotomologist to tell us if that is a kiss,

956
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Speaker 10: and currently we don't have any eptomologists from Greater and

957
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 10: Wadington Regional Council or Wellington City Council. From what I'm hearing,

958
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Speaker 10: it's the out of spreading, not only in a firobe

959
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Speaker 10: beyond a firo Bay, there are some residents and s

960
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Speaker 10: I was get Melros and even an Island Bay. So

961
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Speaker 10: this is getting a bit of a big issue.

962
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Speaker 3: And so these things have come over from Australia, but

963
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Speaker 3: we haven't considered them a piest. Should they be a

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Speaker 3: peace Absolutely?

965
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Speaker 10: I think we need to contend it. It's I think

966
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Speaker 10: it's if it's impossible to eradicate them, they needs to

967
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Speaker 10: be contained. The reason is imagine if people coming to

968
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Speaker 10: the Red Rocks taken to other ecologically impactful areas like

969
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Speaker 10: Zeelandia or even impacting some of our imports. And MPI,

970
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Speaker 10: Department of Conservation, Greater Wellington Regional Council and Wellington City

971
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Speaker 10: Council needs to work together and addressing this issue and

972
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Speaker 10: before get out of hand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too right, You never know what these things can do. Hey,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much mate, really appreciate it. NeuroD and Abdurahman,

975
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Speaker 3: who's a Wellington City Council of five twenty.

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Speaker 1: One informed insight into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Eland

977
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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talk

978
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Speaker 1: sa'd be.

979
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: David Siemills announced some more of these ECE regulation changes

980
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Speaker 3: that should happen by the end of I think this

981
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Speaker 3: year we're going to talk to the ECE Council about

982
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 3: that after half past five. Right now it's five twenty four. Look,

983
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much praise Chris Luxen thought he

984
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Speaker 3: was going to get back here at home for his

985
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: announcement yesterday that he's throwing more supported Ukraine. But whatever

986
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Speaker 3: he thought, it's been crickets. Hasn't it like complete crickets?

987
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Speaker 3: Because I don't know about you, but when I heard it,

988
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Speaker 3: my first thought was, what's the point? This war is

989
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: completely unwinnable for Ukraine. It was unwinnable last year. Most

990
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Speaker 3: people didn't realize it because most people didn't want to

991
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: know it. But it was unwinnable then and it's definitely

992
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 3: unwinnable now. If the US walks away from supporting Ukraine,

993
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: which looks very possible, the word is, if Zelensky and

994
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: Russia don't strike a peace deal in the next few days,

995
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: the US is going to bail on trying to find

996
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: a solution to peace. And if they bail on that

997
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: isn't it possible that Trump bails all together on supporting

998
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: the war, because already, according to Zelenski military aid deliveries

999
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: from the US have essentially stopped, so you could say

1000
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Speaker 3: that they're already not supporting the war. Let me tell

1001
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: you it is not looking good for a peace deal

1002
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: in the next few days because apparently, according to Leeks,

1003
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Speaker 3: it may require Ukraine to give up Crimea and about

1004
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: twenty percent of its territory, and already Zelenski has said no,

1005
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: they're not going to give up Crimea. Now, does Zelenski

1006
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: need to be a little bit more realistic about his

1007
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: country's chances in this war? Let me ask you this, Okay,

1008
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: is it fair to ask Zelenski to give up Crimea

1009
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: and that much land? Maybe not? But is there another way?

1010
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 3: Because Putin is going to want something in exchange for

1011
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: stopping the fighting, right, so is there another way? What

1012
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: is that way? And the only solution you can come

1013
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: to is that way is putting US boots on the ground.

1014
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 3: But then you've got the risk of two nuclear nations

1015
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: going up against each other and starting World War iie,

1016
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: do we want that? No, we don't want that. So

1017
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: then we loop right back around. We need Zelenski to

1018
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: take the peace deal, don't we If he doesn't, and

1019
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: he chooses to keep on fighting with Russia. He is

1020
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: not going to be able to win. He can't win.

1021
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: For how long do we keep throwing money and resources

1022
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: at it as a country, Which brings us back to

1023
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: Luxeon's announcement yesterday. Either the war ends right now, in

1024
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: which case we don't need to do that stuff and

1025
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Speaker 3: give them all that resources, or the war continues pointlessly,

1026
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: in which case do we want to continue to give

1027
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Speaker 3: them those resources? Forgever do for c Ellen Plunket here

1028
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Speaker 3: we can. Okay, let me tell you how about Plunket's

1029
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: vaccination balls up. This is the perfect example of a

1030
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: waste of money, of our money, taxpayer money, and a

1031
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: contract that needs to be cut.

1032
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Speaker 6: Now.

1033
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: I wasn't aware of this because it was done. It

1034
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: was done on the quiet. But in December last year,

1035
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: the government gave Plunket one million dollars to vaccinate babies. Okay,

1036
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: and the point of specifically not just any old babies,

1037
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: but specifically babies that haven't been enrolled in GP practices,

1038
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 3: because if your baby's enrolled in a GP practice, you're

1039
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: probably already going to go and get the vaccination for

1040
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: the baby, aren't you, Because you're already going to the doctor,

1041
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: you're going to get the baby the jab right. So

1042
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: Plunkett has been given a million dollars to try to

1043
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: vaccinate babies that haven't been vaccinate or aren't enrolled in

1044
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 3: GP practices. By the seventeenth of March, how many babies

1045
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: had they managed to jab with a million dollars? Fifty

1046
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: three babies. Fifty three babies for a million dollars, and

1047
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: how many of those babies were not enrolled in a

1048
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: GP practice. One So we have spent a million dollars

1049
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: on jabbing one baby. That baby that jab cost us

1050
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: a million dollars. Now at this point, I'm like, we're

1051
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna cut this, aren't we aren't we? Well, Plunkets

1052
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: come back because they get a right response to this

1053
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 3: and they go they go, actually, it's not fifty three

1054
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: as of today, it's seventy six. Oh, that makes it

1055
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: so much better, Fiona, thanks for clearing that up. Seventy

1056
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: six babies. I worked it out for you, so you

1057
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: don't have to at a million dollars for seventy six babies.

1058
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: Each of those babies is costing US thirteen thousand dollars

1059
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: to vaccinate thirteen thousand dollars or you could just take

1060
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: your baby for free to the GP practice and then

1061
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: Fiona says, the actual number is not the point, isn't

1062
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: it the Fiona, I think the actual number is the

1063
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: point anyway. I think we have a classic case here

1064
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: of money not being spent very well, duplication because you

1065
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: could just take your baby to the GP get them jabbed,

1066
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: and Fiona not understanding that numbers are the point. Cut

1067
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: it ot to see that one gone in the budget.

1068
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look for it in the budget and I

1069
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: want to see it gone. Headline's next.

1070
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1071
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1072
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks, they'd be.

1073
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 6: Heather.

1074
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Speaker 3: So regarding Ukraine, if you're suggesting we reward putting in

1075
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Speaker 3: a Russia for violating a nation's sovereignty, effectively showing them

1076
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: that they can pretty much do whatever they want because

1077
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: they have nuclear weapons, I guarantee you they won't stop

1078
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: the I'm not saying I think you're missing the point.

1079
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you reward them. I'm saying, if you

1080
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: can't win, do you keep fighting? Anyway, we're going to

1081
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 3: talk to huddle about that shortly. It's twenty four away

1082
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: from six now. Cabinet has agreed to loosen some of

1083
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: the regulations around the early childhood education. David Seymore's Ministry

1084
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: of Regulation has done a report on the sector and

1085
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: made fifteen recommendations for change that Cabinet has accepted Simon

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Speaker 3: Lobber as the CEO of the Early Childhood Council with us. Now, Hey, Simon, hi,

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Speaker 3: ever any in particular that you're stoked about or all

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 15: Well, peeling away things that aren't working and haven't been

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Speaker 15: working for many, many years as actually really really good

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Speaker 15: news and it's hard not to get excited about it.

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Speaker 15: And the only thing that's difficult is we've got to

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Speaker 15: wait another eighteen months to get that actually done. But

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Speaker 15: it's great to have a timeline.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, can you explain something to me? It

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Speaker 3: was One of the things that's going to be repealed

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Speaker 3: is the requirement for the ECE centers to hold immunization

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Speaker 3: records for every child of fifteen months. Why are they

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Speaker 3: doing that anyway?

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Speaker 15: Well, there was a time where there was a gap

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Speaker 15: in health records and nobody, nobody actually knew, so they

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Speaker 15: put it onto the ECE providers.

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Speaker 3: You say, nobody knew whether my child, let's say, at three,

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Speaker 3: was completely vaccinated, so the ECU guys had to do it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right, a long time ago. Though health records

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Speaker 15: have improved.

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Speaker 3: Zeeland has it nowadays, don't they.

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Speaker 15: That's right, yep, it's.

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Speaker 3: A completely unnecessary thing for them to be doing.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, anything that sits outside of Ministry of Education tends

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Speaker 15: to be forgotten forever.

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Speaker 2: So the health.

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Speaker 15: There's lots of health things that are just random and pointless.

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Speaker 3: Why did we require them to maintain a temperature indoors

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00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 3: of eighteen degrees on the dot?

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Speaker 15: There was some research done that suggested eighteen degrees was

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Speaker 15: a good minimum, and I think eighteen degrees is definitely

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00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 15: a good thing to aim for. But as if you

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Speaker 15: said it as an absolute limit, it's completely impractical.

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Speaker 3: Oh so it's not. So it's a minimum, not a

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Speaker 3: constant temperature.

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Speaker 10: It's not.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to posit in eighteen.

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Speaker 15: So that's eighteen degrees in Auckland, and it's eighteen degrees

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Speaker 15: and in Vicargo, and it doesn't matter what time of

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Speaker 15: year it is. So it does drive some pretty crazy behaviors.

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Speaker 15: I've been into centers with giant air curtains and they

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Speaker 15: have to heat the place so hot it's just unbearable

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Speaker 15: for the adults.

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Speaker 3: What's an air cursion.

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Speaker 15: So that's where you can still have a door open.

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Speaker 15: That's you see them in mauls and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, the NZDI doesn't love it, says qualified teacher requirements

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00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: are being watered down, safety criterias being withdrawn, and this

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Speaker 3: will be a bad idea.

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Speaker 15: What do you say, Well, that's not that's not what's

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Speaker 15: being said. So that's not in the report and that's

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Speaker 15: not what we're expecting to happen. We expect. Yes, they'll

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Speaker 15: remove some things, but they'll put in more effective things

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Speaker 15: in child safety will be enhanced.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Hey, Simon, thanks so much, appreciate it. Simon

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Speaker 3: Lober Early Childhood Council CEO. It is right now twenty

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00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: one away from.

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Speaker 1: Sex the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty the

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00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: ones with worldwide connections that perform, not promise.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I should say. Tim Grosser, former New

1149
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: Zealand Ambassadors to the US, is going to be with

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00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: us after six talk about Trump's back down on the

1151
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: China tariffs with us. Right now, in the huddle, we

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00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: have Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q and A,

1153
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union Highlands.

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00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 6: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Jack, what did you make of Winston's tantrum about arn Z.

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Speaker 7: I thought it was vintage Winston Peters. That is everything

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00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 7: that the paradox of a politician is. You know, in

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00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 7: one week he's so statesman like when he's traveling the

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Speaker 7: world meeting with foreign leaders and dignitaries and trying to

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 7: negotiate these key positions for New Zealand. The next he

1161
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 7: behaves like that. I thought it was pretty unbecoming for

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Speaker 7: someone who's in the you know whose Deputy Prime Minister

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00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 7: Littlone a MP. I don't think there was anything particularly

1164
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 7: difficult about the questions, but I think it probably played

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00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 7: out exactly as Winston wanted it to play out. I mean,

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Speaker 7: curious that he was being questioned about whether or not

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00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 7: the members bill he's seeking to introduce would be a distraction.

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00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 7: Curious that that would then lead to this right, that

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Speaker 7: it would lead to that performance this morning, and then

1170
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 7: would have the whole country talking like I say, vintage

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Speaker 7: Winston Peters.

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Speaker 1: He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: What rickon Jordan's.

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Speaker 6: Well, it might be unbecoming, as Jack said, but doesn't

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Speaker 6: make it wrong. I mean there is you know what

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00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 6: does what he said with are in deed?

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Speaker 2: Of course it is.

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Speaker 6: I mean ourne did live in a different world. They

1179
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 6: have absolutely no accountability. They now don't even publish and

1180
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 6: refuse to issue what the ratings are for their individual shows.

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00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 6: You know back in the I'm actually a believer in

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Speaker 6: public service broadcasting, but it does require professionalism and balance

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00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 6: for which are in Jet has now shown it is

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Speaker 6: simply unable to deliver.

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Speaker 7: What was unbalanced about that interview this morning.

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Speaker 18: On haven't listened to the interview with the leader of

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Speaker 18: the opposition for contrast, But look, I.

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Speaker 7: Wasn't introducing a contentious bill, was he? I mean he's

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Speaker 7: gone straight to the to the leader of a party

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Speaker 7: that is that is introducing what is inevatiy hang.

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Speaker 3: On, okay, Jack hanging a check mate? Do you are

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Speaker 3: you telling me that you have never listened to ring

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Speaker 3: Z and thought they go a little hard on the

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Speaker 3: coalition government and and seem to give parties of the

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Speaker 3: left a bit of a free pass. You've never thought, well.

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Speaker 7: I think exactly the office that sometimes applies to you here.

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Speaker 6: We don't pay heither.

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Speaker 22: The question is the question is.

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Speaker 7: Whether or not that interview this morning was was biased.

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Speaker 3: Jordan, That's not the question with questions Jordan has.

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Speaker 7: Jordan has just asserted that various problems with Irons and look,

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Speaker 7: I think some of those criticisms are totally reasonable. I

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00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 7: think it's out raising that those that those public rating

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00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 7: those ratings shouldn't automatically be public. However, I think that

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Speaker 7: interview and listening to it this morning was entirely reasonable.

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Speaker 7: I think Corn Dann is an excellent interviewer, and honestly,

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Speaker 7: I'll stand upon people, Jack and to ask reasonable questions

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Speaker 7: with politicians.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that is what we're discussing. What Winston

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Speaker 3: has accused Aaron Zov as being woke left right, and

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Speaker 3: if you listen to it over a period of weeks

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Speaker 3: or months or even days, it's very hard not to

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Speaker 3: come to the conclusion that he may have a point

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Speaker 3: that set aside that one single interview, but as a

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Speaker 3: pattern of interviews, he has a point, doesn't it well?

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Speaker 7: His behavior is responding to one single interview. That's how

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00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 7: he blew up on here. That's what led to him

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Speaker 7: making his social media posts. I thought the interview I

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00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 7: listened to was entirely reasonable, and I think that as

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Speaker 7: someone who I know values like journalistic quality said that

1221
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Speaker 7: you should be standing up for someone.

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Speaker 2: Shut up.

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Speaker 6: You're avoiding the point, jordan't go, you go bring poor

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Speaker 6: Jack's been in the gun and on this the thing

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Speaker 6: when Willie Jackson there to get you and that's not fear.

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Speaker 6: I agree with that, and to be frank, I didn't

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Speaker 6: think the interview with Winston Peters this morning was actually

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Speaker 6: that bad. But fundamentally there is clearly a problem at Arinez.

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Speaker 6: I know it from the way that my staff for treated.

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Speaker 6: I had some slack messages leaked to me when the

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Speaker 6: Taxpayers Union was asked on to Morning Report, where the

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Speaker 6: journalists inside ourne saying, oh, the Taxpayers Union are in

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Speaker 6: the lobby. I mean they just done take a take

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Speaker 6: a view that, oh, well, you know, we can't possibly

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Speaker 6: dictate anything in the newsroom or selection of stories or

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Speaker 6: things like that. Well we wonder why that they look,

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00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 6: they wonder why they're losing the public's trust. The professionalism

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00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 6: that required that balance or newsrooms reflecting society simply does

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00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 6: not apply. And they're almost proud to be campaigning. That

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 6: is the fundamental change. And the question is, and the

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 6: Canadians are quite right. I mean, the mainstream Canadian center

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 6: right party is going to the election in a week's

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 6: time literally in their manifest though, to defund the CBC,

1244
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 6: the equivalent of Radio New Zealand, because they argue, and

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Speaker 6: I think it's perhaps time for us to have that discussion.

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 6: In New Zealand that required to have some ads, so

1247
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 6: you actually have to publish your ratings and you actually

1248
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 6: have to hold the audience with you, rather than simply

1249
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 6: have a free lunch as aren Z does and play

1250
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Speaker 6: to Arenz aren Z Land only that that has to

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Speaker 6: come to an end.

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Speaker 7: I think though, and obviously we're arguing in slightly different

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Speaker 7: points here. My point is that is that the incident

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Speaker 7: that has triggered this debate was an interview that Winston

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Speaker 7: Peters labeled as being unfair, although in much more colorful language,

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Speaker 7: and I think it was an entirely reasonable interview, reasonable.

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Speaker 3: Interviewer address that No, no, but I mean, okay, I

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Speaker 3: love Coran is Coran is one of the nicest men

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: you will ever meet. But Kran started that out being

1260
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: a bit of a dick, didn't he.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 3: I agree, Well he did because he said to Winston said,

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Speaker 3: can I ask a question? And Koran said, I'm the

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: one who's asking questions here, and that's my three year

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00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: old sounds ago. I'm the one who's asking questions hair

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Speaker 3: and only fronterrelevant And it was just it was just

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Speaker 3: a prickly and so I can. I'm not really surprised

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Speaker 3: that it went the way it did, are you, Uh no.

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Speaker 7: Because I think this is Winston Mots random.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think this is break.

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Speaker 3: I have got to take an ad break because we

1272
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: are not funded by Okay, Aaron said, You're welcome. We

1273
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: are not funded by the text brayer hanging a teck.

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Speaker 3: Just you two don't go anywhere. Fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand southe Beast International Realty achieve

1276
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams. Listen, Jordan,

1278
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Speaker 3: you're keeping an eye on this business with the co

1279
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: governance and the White Tuckety Rangers.

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Speaker 6: Ye, your interview with your good mate Richard Hill's earlier,

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 6: and I'm not for a moment suggesting that he's being sneaky,

1282
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 6: but he is wrong with his claim that around access

1283
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 6: that would ultimately be the decision of the council. What

1284
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 6: is being proposed, make no mistake, is a co governed

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01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 6: management of the park. You can't have it both ways.

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01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 6: I mean, look, reason minds can differ on the sort

1287
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 6: of stuff, but I'm of the view that either it

1288
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 6: should be council controlled and democratically accountable, or ownership should

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01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 6: be handed over as part of a treaty settlement. This

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01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 6: sort of weird, horrible in between co governance stuff where

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Speaker 6: no one's happy it does. Race relations are disservice. I

1292
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Speaker 6: think we can hear the next baby and this sort

1293
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Speaker 6: of misleading of the public of what it means is

1294
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 6: what happened with the volcano Cones in Auckland. And I'm

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 6: sad to say and not that. Actually, I think the

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Speaker 6: Script Democracy Action has a point, and I think that

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Speaker 6: it's damn good of them to raise this issue before

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 6: it's too late.

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Speaker 3: Yep, better to know it. Okay, So, Jack, do you

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Speaker 3: have the baby in a front pack.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's snoring a little bit.

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Speaker 3: He's soring a little bit. Well, he scoring the whole huddle,

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Speaker 3: and I've been I didn't want to draw attention to it, but.

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Speaker 7: Especially if you reposition him slightly a little mate.

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Speaker 3: How long has he been sleeping?

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Speaker 6: Probably forty minutes.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm wandering around on the summer and make the

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Speaker 6: twerpo because I had to leave the car because my toddler.

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Speaker 6: Toddler and five year old agoing bananas and it is

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Speaker 6: freezing here.

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Speaker 3: Have you, Jordan left them in the car by themselves.

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Speaker 6: Mom's in the car. Car, It's okay, it's okay. Possibly

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Speaker 6: you'll produce. It would kill me if if I left her.

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Speaker 2: In the lurch.

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Speaker 3: Totally listen, Jack, I just want you to take really

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Speaker 3: quickly on this. What do you think of pumping more

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Speaker 3: money into the Ukraine War given that the thing is

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Speaker 3: clearly just it's a lost cause.

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Speaker 7: Well, I really hope it's not a lost cause. And

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Speaker 7: if we've seen anything in the war so far, it's

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Speaker 7: actually that sometimes the wisest expert predictions about the course

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Speaker 7: of the war turned out to be one hundred percent wrong.

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Speaker 7: That being said, Look, I don't actually think New Zealand's

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Speaker 7: financial commitment is all that substantial at the moment. I

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Speaker 7: think it is really important that we stand up for

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Speaker 7: country's sovereign rights for democracies, and I think it's really

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Speaker 7: important that we are aligned with similarly minded countries for

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Speaker 7: the time being.

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Speaker 18: So I've got no.

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Speaker 2: Problem with it.

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Speaker 3: Children are one of your take because I know that

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Speaker 3: you're a tight world with the old tax payment.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've actually got a staff who thinks that defense

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Speaker 6: is a waste of money, for which even I really

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Speaker 6: scratch my head at that. It's both morally right and

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Speaker 6: diplomatically has advantageous to be in with the with with

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Speaker 6: Europe for how long? And well, I mean well, I mean,

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Speaker 6: of course we'll want it to end. I saw that

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Speaker 6: in the prep notes with US that was saying, you know,

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Speaker 6: what's the point of putting money and when they're going

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Speaker 6: to lose anyway? But it's actually all now about the

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Speaker 6: negotiation position.

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Speaker 3: Surely, yep, but they are going to lose, aren't they

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Speaker 3: if they keep fighting?

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Speaker 6: Do we accept Well, if you've got Trump saying that

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Speaker 6: you know you can have what you've bitten off mister

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Speaker 6: Putin will Yes, Yeah, from Ukrainian's point of view, that

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Speaker 6: is a loss, but it's better to stop losing more lives.

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Speaker 3: Yesose. So hey, listen, guys, thank you so much. Jack,

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Speaker 3: best of luck with the sleeping baby. There's Jack Tame

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Speaker 3: and Jordan Williams a hudle this evening, go away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 3: It's five away from six. Listen. As I was saying before,

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Speaker 3: after six o'clock, we're going to have a chat to

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Speaker 3: Tim Grocer. Tim Grosser was the former New Zealand Ambassador

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Speaker 3: to the US, and he will undoubtedly have some view

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Speaker 3: on Donald Trump doing this big backdown on the China

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Speaker 3: tariffs and also what we're gonna look and on the

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Speaker 3: tariff situation. Not every business out there is having a

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Speaker 3: complete storm at the moment right. It's not sell sal

1364
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Speaker 3: Cell for absolutely everybody. Milford Acid Management is going to

1365
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: talk us through some sectors that are actually having a

1366
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Speaker 3: really good time. We have a chat to Stephanie Steph

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Speaker 3: Stephanie Bachelor from Melford Acid Management before the half hours through,

1368
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Speaker 3: Before we get to half past five. There's a real look.

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Speaker 3: I know this has had a little bit of discussion today,

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Speaker 3: but I just want to raise this very quickly. Right,

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Speaker 3: this is the business of the on Cause, because I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that some I'm I'm sure I heard Tim Roxburgh

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Speaker 3: talking about this on the program earlier when he was

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Speaker 3: on before me, because Jenny Mortim has done a thing

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Speaker 3: in the Herald and she's written about on Calls, and

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Speaker 3: basically what she said is that on Cause when you

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Speaker 3: go to a concert, just suck, right, and we just

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Speaker 3: got to get rid of them because you just you

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Speaker 3: know it's coming. You know that everyone's going to go through,

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Speaker 3: and then they're going to leave some of the bangers

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Speaker 3: towards the end, and they're gonta walk off stage. I

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Speaker 3: guess it's performance, got to walk off stage, and we've

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: gotta go yay, and I've gotta come back on and

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Speaker 3: do the performance, and you know, do the last few

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Speaker 3: of the bangers, and it's just a pointless exercise when

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Speaker 3: somebody actually produced. Laura was pointing it out to me

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Speaker 3: that cold Play, when they did their awesome shows last year,

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Speaker 3: just came out, did all the songs left by that

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Speaker 3: was the end of it and there was no OnCore.

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Speaker 3: Now Jenny Mortimer is calling for all modern artists to

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Speaker 3: just kill the encore. It's a lovely idea because I

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Speaker 3: would agree with her entirely. On calls do suck, don't they?

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Speaker 3: I hate it. I hate sitting they're having to clap

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Speaker 3: my hands like a like. I don't know, just it's

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Speaker 3: just stupid waiting for them to come back on. However,

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Speaker 3: saying that something sucks and then actually managing to get

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Speaker 3: rid of it, those are two completely different things. And

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Speaker 3: if we're completely honest about it, when it's not gonna happen,

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Speaker 3: is it? Because unfortunately, you expect an encore now, don't you,

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Speaker 3: Because if you go, if you got Toto playing tonight,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Toto. Actually just checked out their

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Speaker 3: set list, song number sixteen, last of It, Africa and

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Speaker 3: before that, hold the line. What do you think their

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01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: on call is going to be? They're gonna play all

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Speaker 3: those songs. They're going to play a number fourteen, I'll

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Speaker 3: supply the Love, and then I don't even know what

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Speaker 3: that song is. They're gonna walk off. We're gonna they

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Speaker 3: can play Africa, will hold the line, and they're gonna

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Speaker 3: come back on and play Africa and hold the line.

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Speaker 3: Guarantee you. I'll tell you tomorrow if that's what happens,

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Speaker 3: and we're all gonna think it sucks. But if they

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Speaker 3: don't do that and then they wander off after Africa,

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Speaker 3: we're going to be like sat it because we all

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Speaker 3: expect it, don't we. So anyway, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you get out of that. I totally agree it does suck.

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Speaker 3: On calls on calls are I'm you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying really hard not to swear because I just

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Speaker 3: want to say, it's shit, isn't it it shit? Isn't

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Speaker 3: it go on? Cause a shit? It's creating the music out? Well,

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Speaker 3: what can you do about it? Anyway? What I told

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Speaker 3: you that whole story just so I could show up.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to Toto tonight without a word of a lie.

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Speaker 3: The news took said, Beck's the.

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Speaker 1: Beasts keeping track of where the money is flowing. The

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Speaker 1: business hour, we hit the duplicy Ellen andres, insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future, The news.

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Speaker 2: Talks be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. Rugby has

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: just launched a new tool, a tool to help diagnose

1430
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 3: brain injury. We're going to talk to Robinickel about that

1431
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 3: Milford Acid management on the businesses surviving the trade will

1432
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Speaker 3: quite well. And Gavin Gray's with us out of the

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Speaker 3: UK seven past six. Now it looks like Donald Trump

1434
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Speaker 3: is laying the groundwork for a climb down from his

1435
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Speaker 3: massive tariffs on the Chinese, as they are obviously sitting

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Speaker 3: at one hundred and forty five percent. Speaking earlier today,

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Speaker 3: he said one hundred and forty five percent is very high.

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Speaker 3: It won't be that high. It'll come down substantially, but

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Speaker 3: it won't be zero. And this comes after the US

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Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary says he expects a de escalation in the

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Speaker 3: very near future.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Tim Grosser is the former New Zealand Ambassador to the USA.

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Speaker 3: Tim Hi heallo, How mental is this situation? Do you think,

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Speaker 3: on a scale of one to ten, how mental?

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Speaker 8: I would love to have been in the Great Hall

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Speaker 8: of the People to watch President's expression a few hours

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Speaker 8: ago when he was told this piece of news. And

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Speaker 8: it reminds me when I found out because I've been

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 8: on the road today, I've just found out what he

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 8: said of advice I got as a very young official

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Speaker 8: from a very distinguished news in on diplomat who'd said

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Speaker 8: to me, you know, the best negotiators in the world

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Speaker 8: of the Sarmonans, because you put a proposition to the

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Speaker 8: Sarmonans and they sit there and they look at you,

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Speaker 8: and they don't say anything. And what you then do

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Speaker 8: is you immediately change your negotiating position. So I think,

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Speaker 8: you know, the Chinese and the Simons are probably trained

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Speaker 8: in the same basic schools of human reality. They just

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Speaker 8: do nothing while people keep shifting their positions around them.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I just do not know what on earth

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Speaker 8: the president thinks is now going to unfold, having created

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Speaker 8: this level of certainty and uncertainty once before somebody else,

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Speaker 8: that else was interviewing. I remember the old children's nursery

1465
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 8: rhyme about the Grand Old Duke of York. Think President Trump,

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Speaker 8: the Grand Old Duke of York. He had ten things,

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Speaker 8: thousand men, He climbed them up to the top of

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Speaker 8: the hill, and he climbed them down again. In other words,

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Speaker 8: who the hell can deal with this situation? And the

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Speaker 8: answer is nobody.

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Speaker 3: What do you think happens? I mean, where do you

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Speaker 3: think Trump realistically ends up with the China tariffs?

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Speaker 8: Well, we're dealing here with what Marxists would call a

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 8: real unresolved contradiction what his objectives are. You cannot use

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Speaker 8: high tariffs on, declar trade war on all the countries

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Speaker 8: in the world, and in particular on China, because you

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Speaker 8: want to create manufacturing and new jobs and get the

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Speaker 8: US back to where they were in nineteen fifty. If

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Speaker 8: at the same time you're saying no, I just use

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Speaker 8: this as a negotiating point, because no American will invest

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Speaker 8: in those new industries if they think they can be

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Speaker 8: negotiated away tomorrow. So we're actually dealing with a complete

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Speaker 8: contradiction in what the objective is. And I think in

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 8: this situation most people will just do nothing. They will

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Speaker 8: sit on their hands.

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Speaker 3: Well, there, you'd be wise to sit on your hands,

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01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: because you hardly know what question. Did you at any

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Speaker 3: point though this look I was saying earlier in the program.

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Speaker 3: With Donald Trump, we often judge him on what he

1490
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Speaker 3: says he's going to do, and that seems like a mistake.

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Speaker 3: What we should be judging him on is what he

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Speaker 3: ends up doing, because most of the time all of

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Speaker 3: the stuff is just him being a blowhard. Right, did

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 3: you ever for one second, believe he really was going.

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Speaker 10: To do this.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he has implemented ten percent tariffs. Admittedly that

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Speaker 8: was a massive climb down from the White House lawn

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Speaker 8: liberation day. You may record when you put on massive tariffs,

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Speaker 8: including sort of absurdities like fifty percent tariffs on the

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Speaker 8: Soto for God's sake, and then immediately reduce them again.

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Speaker 8: But we do know that he has done something which

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Speaker 8: is screw up the Internet trading system. And this still

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Speaker 8: leaves unresolved the central issue I was saying to a

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Speaker 8: few people earlier today, you couldn't run something as simple

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Speaker 8: as the tiny New Zealand economy if every business person,

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01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 8: including your radio station, thought the underlying rules that affect

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01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 8: their business decisions could change radically day by day. You

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01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 8: could not run this little economy called out on that basis.

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Speaker 8: You certainly can't run an international economy on that basis.

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Speaker 8: So we still leave the big the mother of all

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Speaker 8: questions behind us, which is or in front of us,

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Speaker 8: which is, how are we going to manage international trade

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Speaker 8: without a system of rules and norms?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 8: I think the answer to that is, first of all,

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Speaker 8: nobody else, the United States is the pre eminent power.

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Speaker 8: There's no doubt about that, and the guarranteur in the

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Speaker 8: our seventy five years of the open trading system, but

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Speaker 8: it's weated a whole set of countries that actually do

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Speaker 8: believe in having a rules based system. The United States

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Speaker 8: is not having other people following them down this rat hole.

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Speaker 8: So the Prime Minister will have had a discussion in

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Speaker 8: London twenty four hours ago with Keir Starmer. He will

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Speaker 8: have other discussions with other leaders. They all agree on

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Speaker 8: the need for a rule spased trading system. So it's

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Speaker 8: the United States has to finally define its position in

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Speaker 8: relationship to the rest of the world, not just the

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 8: rest of the world has to define its position relative

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Speaker 8: to the United States.

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Speaker 3: Tim, Thank you always appreciate your expertise. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for talking to us. Tim Grosser, former New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Ambassadors to the US and staying on the US Elon

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 3: Musk has announced he's going to cut back on doing

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01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: the Doze work and go back to working a little

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01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 3: bit more on Tesla. Tesla's reported twenty percent drop in

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01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 3: revenue for the first quarter of this year compared to

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Speaker 3: the same period last year, and obviously the profits fell

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 3: by more than seventy percent of things aren't looking flash.

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01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: So Mask has said his time allocation to DOGE would

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: drop significantly starting next month, and he'll only spend one

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 3: to two days working on DOGE as long as the

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01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: President wants him too, and he's got something useful to do,

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 3: and so on and so on. I'm reading this, I mean,

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. It could simply be that

1546
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: it is it is struggling to balance his time, but

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 3: it could also be that he's realizing that getting involved

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: in politics was not a smart move. And I'm reading

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: this as just another example of why you should stay

1550
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: out of politics if you're not involved in politics in

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 3: the first place, you know. I mean, we say this

1552
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 3: often about businesses like bud Light getting involved in the

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: trans ads business, or the sports players like the football

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01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 3: players getting involved with the rainbow arm bands, or any

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: other example. But here's a case from business where Elon Musk,

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: a businessman, has decided to involve himself myself in politics,

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01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 3: and it has gone very badly for him. Right there

1558
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 3: are a lot of people who are very angry who

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 3: own his cars, who do not like the politics of

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01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And it seems to me politics is like,

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01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 3: this is about choosing sides, right. You pick one side,

1562
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 3: you're going to annoy the other side. Pick the other side,

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01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: you're going to annoy the other side. So better just

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 3: stay out of it all together. Another example fourteen past six.

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01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio empowered by newstg ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to talk to Rob Nicol from the

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Speaker 3: Players Association, the Rugby Players Association after half past six

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Speaker 3: about this new tool where they can diagnose brain injuries.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's seventeen past six. Now, a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a brew ha ha is developing about the Reserve

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01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 3: Bank's independence. Critics have raised concerns that the bank's temporary

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Speaker 3: governor and chair might be acting to please Nikola Willison.

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Speaker 3: Janative Trainee's the Herald's Business Edit room with us Agana.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Heather, what does it look like to you?

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Speaker 3: Does it look to you like political interference? Or is

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 3: it simply that these guys at the Reserve Bank have

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01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: reached the same conclusion as Nikola Willison, myself and various

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Speaker 3: other people that they need to do something about the

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Speaker 3: capital requirements.

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Speaker 22: Well, I don't think I think that would be a

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 22: stretch to say there's political interference, but I think it

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 22: is just worth noting that a couple of the key

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Speaker 22: people who are in charge of the Reserve Bank at

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 22: the moment, in terms of the board chair and the

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Speaker 22: acting Governor, they have you know, potential conflicts of interest.

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 22: So share Neil Quickley. He's also the vice chancellor of

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Speaker 22: Waikato University and the university is trying to get the

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Speaker 22: government to fund a medical school. So it's in Neil

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 22: Quigley's interest to be on side with the government. It's

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Speaker 22: also in Christian hawksby the acting government. It's on his

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 22: best interest to be on side with the government because

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 22: he might want to be the governor, he might want

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01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 22: to be appointed to that role, so that, you know,

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Speaker 22: I just think it is worth pointing out those two things.

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01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 22: It would be a step too far to say that

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,520
Speaker 22: they are definitely acting in a way that is intentionally

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 22: to please the government. Now in terms of the two

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01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 22: issues that are at the issues that we're talking about

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 22: here are that after Adrian all left, the Reserve Bank

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01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 22: decided it would in fact review its bank capital rule.

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 22: So that's the way it regulates banks that aligns with

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01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 22: what the government wants. The government also announced after Adrian

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 22: Or left that the Reserve Bank wouldn't be getting as

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Speaker 22: much funding as it requested from the government.

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Speaker 3: Is it sustainable for these guys to be in the

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01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: positions that they are in the long term or even

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 3: in the medium term, given the fact that there are

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Speaker 3: these conflicts of interest.

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Speaker 22: Well, it is interesting because the Finance Minister, Nichola Willis,

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01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 22: had the opportunity to appoint another chairman to the board

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Speaker 22: of the Reserve Bank, but she decided to reappoint Neil Quiggley,

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Speaker 22: and she did that with the context of the medical

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Speaker 22: school there. So I suppose the decision was made that

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Speaker 22: that was a good appointment in Nichola Willis's eyes. That

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Speaker 22: was also an interesting appointment because she'd been so critical

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Speaker 22: of Adrian Or and Neil Quiggley had been a backer

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Speaker 22: of Adrian Or. So some Reserve Bank observers thought that

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01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 22: was an interesting decision by Nikola Willis in terms of

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 22: Christian hawksby arguably he is the right person to be

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01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 22: doing the job at the moment. Previously he was the deputy,

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01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 22: now he's the acting He's well positioned to step in,

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Speaker 22: so so I wouldn't go so fast to say that

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Speaker 22: that's a bad decision. I wouldn't say that at all.

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Speaker 22: His experienced and it's probably better than getting someone else

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Speaker 22: in at this point. But I think there is value

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Speaker 22: in just recognizing some of the you know, some of

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Speaker 22: the other interests there.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, Jenae, thanks very much, really appreciate you talking

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 3: us through a generative trainee. The Herald's Wellington Business at

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Speaker 3: at twenty past.

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Speaker 1: Six, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

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01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather duplic Ellen and mayors, insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future US talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: He can you please ask what the six hundred staff

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Speaker 3: at the rbn Z do. Six hundred and sixty actually,

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 3: and I don't think I think that number is going

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 3: to come down now that they've had the funding denied,

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01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: the twenty five percent increase that they were after. Right

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: now it's six twenty three. Now, with markets as volatile

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01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 3: as they are and with the headlines so negative, you'd

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01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 3: be forgiven for thinking that every company out there is

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: gone down this year. Not the case at all. Stephanie

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Speaker 3: Bachelor is from Milford Asset Management has deaf hy here that.

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Speaker 23: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Now tell me which parts

1647
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: of the share market have been doing well despite the

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 3: sell off.

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Speaker 23: Yes, So, if we look across the different sectors that

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Speaker 23: make up the global share market, the best performing one

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01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 23: has been consumer staples, So this sector is up about

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01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 23: ten percent year to date versus the broader global share

1653
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 23: market being down about five percent, so it's about a

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Speaker 23: fifteen percent outperformance. And then other sectors that have held

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 23: up better areas like utilities and infrastructure as well.

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Speaker 3: What is the consumer staples company? I mean, do I know?

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01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 3: Do I know any of these companies?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: So consumer staples companies are sort of exactly what they

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01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 23: sound like. You know, they're companies that sell core goods

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01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 23: that consumers need and can't really live without, you know, food, diffridges,

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Speaker 23: household products like toilet paper, toothpaste, all companies that provide

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Speaker 23: the essential service like supermarkets. So one example is a

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Speaker 23: UK consumer health company called Hallion. So you might not

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Speaker 23: have heard of the company, but I'm pretty sure you'll

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Speaker 23: know it's products. They sell brands like Panadol, Voltaire and

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Speaker 23: Censordine Centrum, as well as manymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah totally, So why are they doing so well during

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Speaker 3: the volatility.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, so when there's a lot of uncertainty in markets,

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Speaker 23: investors tend to shift towards consumer staples companies because they

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Speaker 23: know that they're going to be more resilient during a downturn,

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01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 23: because you know, there categories that people can't not buy.

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Speaker 23: And then within consumer staples there are subcategories. So one

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Speaker 23: of these is consumer health, which HALion falls under, and

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01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 23: these are even more resilient, So they come in just

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Speaker 23: after pet food in terms of sort of macro resiliency.

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Speaker 23: So you can think of them like the staple of staples.

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01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 23: And you know it's because when when we're sick or

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Speaker 23: thinking about our health, we become quite loyal to certain brands.

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01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 23: You know, we want to stick with what we know

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 23: and trust rather than switching it up just to save

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01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 23: a few dollars. And there's also less competition in the space.

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01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 23: So in food and beverage, new competitors are popping up

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01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 23: all the time, and snack foods or energy drinks, but

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 23: in consumer health there are a lot of regulatory barriers

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Speaker 23: to entry, so it sort of stops that from happening.

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Speaker 3: And then how are they going to be impacted by

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Speaker 3: the tariffs.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, so Haleyon is a little bit more protected from

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01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 23: tariff's relative to other companies. It's a UK company, and

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 23: it has about a third of its revenue generated in

1693
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 23: the US, but about eighty percent of those products are

1694
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 23: produced domestically so they're not subject to tariffs, and then

1695
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 23: the remaining twenty percent imported. And it also has a

1696
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 23: very high growth margin structure, so that limits the impact

1697
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 23: from tariffs a little bit as well. But there you know,

1698
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 23: there are other consumer staples companies that aren't so lucky.

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01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 23: So for example, Remi Quantro, which sells cognac and other

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01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 23: spirits from Europe and to the US. It's also classed

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01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 23: as a sum a staples company, but because it imports

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01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 23: about ninety percent of its US products, it's a it's

1703
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 23: at risk of a big tariff hit, and even more

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01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 23: so because Trump has threatened outsized tariff of two hundred

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Speaker 23: percent on European alcohol as a retaliation to their tariff

1706
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 23: on US whiskey. So as a result, Remy is actually

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Speaker 23: down more than the global shehre market this year. It's

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01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 23: down fifteen percent, whereas hally On is up nine percent

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01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 23: in US dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting stuff. Steph, thanks for talking through it.

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01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: Appreciated that Stephanie Bachelor Milfit Asset Management. Hey, by the way,

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01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 3: I don't I mean, I think I'm probably interested in

1713
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 3: this because she's she's one, she's our girl. But Lord has,

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01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 3: in fact, I don't know if you've been keeping an

1715
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 3: eye on this, but Lord has actually turned up at

1716
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 3: that New York park to play the song to the crowd.

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 3: What happened was that she'd said something on the Insta

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 3: or the socials or whatever, and she'd said to them

1719
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: to meet her in the park, and they figured out

1720
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 3: what the park was, and she's going to play the

1721
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 3: new single. And then there were too many people in

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01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 3: the Coppers showed up and they said, nay, you can't

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Speaker 3: be doing this, and then try to make them all dispersed.

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01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: But I don't know what happened, But some hours passed

1725
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 3: and then Lord turned up and she jumped on a

1726
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: table and she played the song from a spit. She

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01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 3: didn't sing, She's danced on the table for them, in

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01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: front of them, and it was and they got what

1729
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 3: they wanted and it was a happy day in the

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Speaker 3: eNB You go, I'm going to talk to the rav

1731
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: Players Association about the head injuries tool just coming up

1732
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 3: next news talks, e'db.

1733
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1734
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with the head of Duplicy Ellen and Theirs.

1735
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future News talks.

1736
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: That'd be.

1737
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 3: Hey, if you're excited about that road north over the

1738
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 3: brindurwins well. I don't want to do international comparisons, but

1739
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray out of the UK is going to tell

1740
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 3: us about this road that they're building in Scandinavia. That's

1741
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: just going to blow what we're doing out of the water.

1742
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 3: So stand by. He'll be with us in around about

1743
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 3: ten minutes time. Right now, it's twenty five away from

1744
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 3: seven now. A new tool has been launched to help

1745
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 3: current and former rugby players diagnose whether they have brain

1746
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 3: injuries from head knocks. The New Zealand Rugby Players Association

1747
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 3: and World Rugby and New Zealand Rugby have launched the

1748
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 3: Brain Health Service. It's going to collect brain injury data,

1749
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,839
Speaker 3: connect people with doctors to get a clearer indication of symptoms.

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Speaker 3: Rob Nickel is the CEO of the Players Association. Hey, Rob,

1751
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 3: good afternoon, So how does this work is a player

1752
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 3: sits down in front of the computer and just answers

1753
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of questions.

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01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 18: Yeah, and look, I've actually done it, so I can

1755
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 18: talk first time experience here.

1756
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: But you basically you do.

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Speaker 18: You go online, you register, and then you go through

1758
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 18: a series of questions that you answer. It takes around

1759
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 18: about thirty minutes. I have to say, it's incredibly thorough,

1760
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 18: not unlike the questions you would answer if you went

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01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 18: to a proper in person europsychologist. Assessment covers all aspects

1762
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 18: of I guess, your history associated with contact sports, but

1763
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 18: more importantly your sleep, your mood, you know, alcohol, smoking,

1764
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 18: all the kind of screening things you would expect if

1765
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 18: you're doing a sort of a well rounded screen health

1766
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 18: check on someone.

1767
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: Really thorough.

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Speaker 18: And then that report itself goes off to a neuropsychologist

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01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 18: who assesses it and also.

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Speaker 2: An algorithm that has been developed.

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Speaker 18: That assesses it as well, and those results are compared,

1772
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 18: rationalized and then sent sent on to a neuropsychologist for

1773
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 18: you to have an appointment with.

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Speaker 3: And then what does neuropsychologists do with that information once

1775
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: they've got the appointment booked?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and this is the part that's a little bit

1777
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 18: daunting because you've got to sit in a one on

1778
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 18: one zoom call basically or a video call, and you

1779
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 18: go through a series of eleven different tests. It takes

1780
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 18: about thirty minutes. You've got to really concentrate, you can't

1781
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 18: be distracted, and you go through those tests and they're

1782
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 18: all the kind of people will be familiar with accounting

1783
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 18: numbers two, five, eight and then backwards type thing, but

1784
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 18: there's also diagrams as memory recall. It's all the different

1785
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 18: modes that you it expect to be tested on. You

1786
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 18: complete that test over a period of thirty minutes, and

1787
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 18: then those results are taken off and assessed. It's important

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01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 18: to note actually all these assess are developed by independent

1789
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 18: expert bodies, so not developed by World Rugby or ourselves

1790
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 18: or anything. They're all world renowned best practice. And then

1791
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 18: those tests are assessed. A reporter is prepared and then

1792
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 18: that's sent back to yourself and your general practitioner or

1793
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 18: your family health provider depending on which country and which

1794
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 18: terminology you used. And then you're prompted and your support

1795
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 18: person is prompted to make sure you make an appointment

1796
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 18: with your general practitioner, go sit down and go through

1797
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 18: the test results, and the test results cover where you're

1798
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 18: at from I guess a neuro health or a brain

1799
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 18: health perspective as much as anything. Whether it's a dementia

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Speaker 18: screening tool, and it's an advanced form of dementia screening,

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01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 18: but it also really importantly in something we find really beneficial.

1802
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 18: It's a general health screening process. So when you go

1803
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 18: to GP, you'll get the full blood pressure checks, et cetera,

1804
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 18: et cetera. So we can see a lot of benefits

1805
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 18: for anyone. Frankly doing this kind of thing. For our

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01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 18: professional player base, it's awesome.

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01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. So predominantly the point is to figure out, if

1808
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 3: you're not playing anymore, whether you are actually at risk

1809
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 3: of getting dementia, but if you are playing, whether you

1810
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: need to really think seriously about whether you can handle

1811
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 3: any more head knocks.

1812
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 18: Right, Well, the starting point is for those that are

1813
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,879
Speaker 18: currently playing, it's a great way to get an independent

1814
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 18: baseline assessment or where you're at from a euro or

1815
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 18: a brain health perspective. But it's also a fantastic education tool.

1816
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 18: So it emphasizes there's fourteen different modes. They basically say

1817
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 18: your factors that can impact on brain health you from sleep,

1818
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 18: smoking and drinking, excess weight, all that sort of stuff.

1819
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 2: So you get a really good.

1820
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 18: Education session on if you want to look after your

1821
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 18: brain health, whether you're professional athlete or not.

1822
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: He goes all the ways and things that you should be.

1823
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 18: Conscious of and doing that from agea thirty forty. That's

1824
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 18: really important if you're a.

1825
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 3: Rugby planer now, if you're a rugby plan now, or

1826
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 3: even if you're retired rugby player. Right with all the

1827
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 3: chat that we've got about head injuries and stuff, shouldn't

1828
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: these guys already be doing this stuff themselves, And if

1829
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 3: they are already doing the stuff themselves, this announcement from

1830
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 3: you guys, I mean a cynic would say, you're just

1831
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 3: doing this to look like you're doing something because the

1832
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 3: legals are coming at Yeah.

1833
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 18: No, well, I mean paraphasthect the league was aren't cooming

1834
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 18: at us, So we're not doing it for that reason.

1835
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Speaker 18: We just want to you know, we've got a lot

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Speaker 18: of players that have played first class stropy in this country,

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01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 18: and if all of them were to somehow be made

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Speaker 18: an appointment with the neuropsychologists and done a proper in

1839
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 18: personal assessment in New Zealand. I think we'd overrun the industry.

1840
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 18: So this is a really smart way for the future

1841
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 18: to be to allow players to go into the screening

1842
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 18: level and be rated. They've done one hundred and eighty

1843
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 18: players so far in Ireland, Wales, Pubdominantly Island and Wales,

1844
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 18: a little bit in Scotland and South Africa and now ourselves.

1845
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 18: And of those one hundred and eighty, I think you're

1846
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 18: talking low single figures in terms of the ones that

1847
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 18: have required follow up, follow up intensive treatment, which is

1848
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 18: about the rate of the general population. I think something

1849
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 18: to note here here there is where we get the

1850
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 18: concussion and we get the head injury side of contact sport.

1851
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 18: And we know there's so much research out there and

1852
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 18: information out there, but none of it kind of makes

1853
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 18: sense and from a player's leans, it's really confusing and

1854
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,440
Speaker 18: when you presented with something like that, that causes anxiety

1855
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 18: and it plays on your mind.

1856
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: It's just the reality of it.

1857
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 18: If you've had a career in professional rugby and you're

1858
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 18: reading all the stuff that's out there at all contradicts

1859
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 18: it's all over the show, it's hard to make sense

1860
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 18: of and that breeds some anxiety. What we have here

1861
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 18: is we have a mechanism where the player can take

1862
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 18: back a bit of control, go in and get proper

1863
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 18: top line europsychologists and assessments and things like that, and

1864
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 18: get peace of mind, or modify some of your lifestyles

1865
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 18: or whatever you might do to give yourself a better

1866
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 18: outcome in terms of your long term brain health.

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Speaker 2: And the other point that I would make, and this applies.

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01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 18: To everyone, dementia has been identified as probably the numb

1869
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 18: one medical and social issue.

1870
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 2: The world is facing.

1871
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 18: The rights of dementia as we age, as the population

1872
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 18: are going to be significant. And we've always sort of

1873
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 18: most people if you asked to say, oh, well you've

1874
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 18: been labeled, you've got you've got dementia? Can you do

1875
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 18: anything about it? And a number of people think you can't,

1876
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 18: But that's not the truth. You know, what I learned

1877
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 18: yesterday and the presentation and reading all the material is

1878
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 18: you can reduce your risk of dementia and the complications

1879
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 18: through each way up to fifty percent by following a

1880
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 18: whole lot of common sense things around brain health.

1881
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: And so we want that to be.

1882
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 18: Known to the players as well. Players are really good

1883
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 18: at following programs. They're really good at following instructions, and

1884
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 18: if it's thirty or forty, they're starting to show you

1885
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 18: a little bit of vegas or issues, or are really

1886
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 18: wanting to be proactive around managing their brain health. Out

1887
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 18: of this they'll get a damn good inside and a

1888
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 18: whole lot of good ideas of what they can do

1889
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 18: to manage it.

1890
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Speaker 3: Rob, good to talk to you. Thank you so much

1891
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 3: for taking the time. That is Rob Nichol, the CEO

1892
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 3: of the Rugby Players Association. It is coming up seventeen

1893
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 3: away from seven, crazing.

1894
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's hitherto for Sea

1895
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Ellen with the business hour and Mayor's insurance and investments,

1896
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: will grow your wealth, protect your future news talks.

1897
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: It'd be all right.

1898
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 3: It's called it to seven and Devin gray as are

1899
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 3: UK correspondent. Hey Gevin, hi there? So have they moved

1900
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 3: the body already? Popa antis's body?

1901
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 12: Would you to get that now? In about another quarter

1902
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 12: of an hour, so the crowds have already begun to

1903
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 12: arrive at Saint Peter Square. They are allowed in a

1904
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 12: short time ago. And so the Pope's body that has

1905
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 12: been laid out of his residence Casa Santa Marta, where

1906
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 12: he lived for his twelve year papacy, is now to

1907
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 12: be moved in at the top of the hour, really,

1908
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 12: and that'll be taken to Saint Peter's Basilica amid high

1909
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 12: ceremony and the funeral, of course we now know, will

1910
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 12: take place at the Vatican on Saturday. So we now

1911
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 12: have three days for people to pay their respects. And

1912
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 12: indeed it is said that tens of thousands, if not

1913
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 12: hundreds of thousands of pilgrims are making their way to

1914
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,560
Speaker 12: the Vatican City in order to pay their respects to

1915
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 12: the pope. Of course, is death affecting one point four

1916
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 12: billion baptized Roman Catholics.

1917
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 3: And now you know, while all.

1918
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Speaker 12: That ceremonies underway, Heather, of course, we also get the

1919
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 12: debate the College of Cardinals meeting in the conclave in

1920
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 12: the Sistine Chapel in order to look at their vote

1921
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 12: for preferred candidates, and big questions here, perhaps with eighty

1922
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 12: percent of them appointed by Pope Francis himself, which is

1923
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 12: very rare, perhaps electing a pope for the first time,

1924
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 12: they may go for somebody who's not European. They might

1925
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 12: go for an Asian or an African pope, and that

1926
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 12: is a decision that will be made over the coming days.

1927
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,480
Speaker 3: Now, listen, what's the point in publishing the nationalities of criminals?

1928
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 12: Well, because it's been a very contentious topic here in

1929
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 12: the UK. Currently, if you are sentenced to twelve months

1930
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 12: or more in prison and you are a foreign national,

1931
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 12: you are then subject to automatic deportation. I say automatic

1932
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 12: because there's an endless line of appeals one field sometimes

1933
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 12: which prevents this from happening. And the Home Secretary of

1934
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 12: the government has the power to deport people who receive

1935
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 12: a shorter sentence if they decide that their presence in

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Speaker 12: the UK is not conducive to the public good. But

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Speaker 12: exactly how many foreign offenders are awaiting deportation with The

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Speaker 12: answer is nineteen thousand, and that's up from eighteen thousand

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Speaker 12: when the government's changed back in July. And this was

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Speaker 12: a pledge of the new government to get this system

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Speaker 12: sorted out. And so the government now saying yep, we're

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Speaker 12: able to publish this data for the first time about

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Speaker 12: the nationalities and the numbers of foreign criminals in the

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Speaker 12: UK has been welcomed by many and certainly by the

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Speaker 12: previous government, although one would also point the finger at

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Speaker 12: them and say well, why weren't you doing this as well.

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Speaker 12: It's long been thought that because they aren't publishing the figures,

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Speaker 12: they're trying to sort of hide the truth from people

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Speaker 12: to know how many in this country that shouldn't be.

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Speaker 12: But we're now going to get these figures and it

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Speaker 12: is expected that three nationalities for foreign criminals living in

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Speaker 12: the UK in the community are going to be topped

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Speaker 12: by Albanians, Romanians and Poles, and are understood that most

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Speaker 12: common offenses were for the production of drugs, theft, robbery

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Speaker 12: and acts of violent assault.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, have you had a look at this tunnel being

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Speaker 3: built in Scandinavia.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 12: It's pretty impressive. So it's going to run for eighteen kilometers.

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Speaker 12: It's the fermh Belt Tunnel and it'll be the world's

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Speaker 12: longest prefabricated road and rail tunnel. But look at the

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Speaker 12: timescale on this heather. The agreement between Denmark and Germany

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Speaker 12: those are the countries it's connecting, was signed in two

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Speaker 12: thousand and eight. There was then a huge environmental protest

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Speaker 12: about it, and the legal challenge eventually was dismissed. In

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty and now some seventeen years on since it

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Speaker 12: was agreed, they are a sort of starting work on it.

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Speaker 12: They have already done, to be fair some bits at

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Speaker 12: either end. But this idea that you're going to build

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Speaker 12: something using prefabricated sections is what makes this very, very different.

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Speaker 12: So that eighteen kilometers will be the world's longest prefabricated

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Speaker 12: road and rail tunnel be a remarkable feat of engineering,

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Speaker 12: because of course you've got to link up by the

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Speaker 12: millimeter the exact sections of tunnel that you're doing. Each

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Speaker 12: two hundred and seventeen meter long and forty two wide

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Speaker 12: chunk of this thing is going to be with reinforced

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Speaker 12: steel casting concrete. But most underwater tunnels, including the fifty

1978
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Speaker 12: kilometer Channel tunnel connecting France and England, burrow through bedrock

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Speaker 12: beneath the sea floor. Here instead, ninety individual elements will

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Speaker 12: be linked up piece pipe piece like lego bricks. Quite extraordinary,

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Speaker 12: but it will slash travel times between Copenhagen in particular

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Speaker 12: and the rest of Europe.

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Speaker 3: Amazing what they can do. Hey, thank you for that,

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Speaker 3: Gavin appreciated. Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent. I think this

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Speaker 3: is fascinating, right, because yesterday around about this time, I

1986
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Speaker 3: was giving RFK grief. So I'd like to be balanced, right,

1987
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Speaker 3: I don't want you to think I think is completed

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Speaker 3: yet I don't. I just said he had a funny voice,

1989
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Speaker 3: which is a statement of fact. Anyway, have a listen

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Speaker 3: to this. RFK is going to ban has announced he's

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Speaker 3: going to ban eight commonly used artificial food dies.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: The reason he's banning them is because experts have found

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Speaker 3: that these food dyes that are used in things like

1995
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Speaker 3: cereals and sweeties and snacks and beverages and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: they found that they actually are linked to neurological problems

1997
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Speaker 3: in some children. And obviously this just doesn't sound as

1998
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 3: wacky like I know what you're getting. This is the

1999
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 3: guy doesn't like fluoride. Well, hanging a tick. Hanging a

2000
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 3: tick because apparently countries like ourselves and Britain don't actually

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01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 3: use these food dies. So it's just the states that

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01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 3: uses these food dies. And you can get around and

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01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 3: you don't have to use these food dies because, for example,

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Speaker 3: Calloggs in Canada uses natural things like carrots and watermelon

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01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 3: juice to color the fruit. And then when They're doing

2006
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 3: the same food over in the US and goes the

2007
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 3: food dies, So there are alternatives. It's just the food

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01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 3: dies are really easy and make lots of color I

2009
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 3: suppose anyway, So two of the synthetic dyes are going

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01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 3: to be phased out in the next few weeks, and

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01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 3: then a whole bunch of other ones the six are

2012
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 3: going to be banned by the end of next year.

2013
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Speaker 3: I'm keen to see how this rolls. I'm actually keen

2014
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 3: to know more about it, aren't you? Because now I

2015
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 3: want to know what are these food dies and what

2016
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 3: do we use it? It feels like there's a whole

2017
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff in there that's fascinating. But how good

2018
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 3: is it that we are one of the countries not

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Speaker 3: using them? Just stoked about that. Eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven it's the Heather two per Se Alan Drive Full

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got to tell you something, but before I do,

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01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 3: just can I do a really quick shout out to

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Speaker 3: Northland because if you listen to the show, you know

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Speaker 3: that I don't like the dogs, right, I don't like

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Speaker 3: dogs that are off the leash, run running around kind

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01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 3: of being scary and stuff like that. These guys in

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Speaker 3: Northland are working really hard to desex dogs because they've

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Speaker 3: got a very big problem. You probably have figured this

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01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 3: out with the roaming and the feral dogs and all

2031
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff up there in Northland. So they've

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01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 3: got this outfit called the Best Dog Trust and they

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Speaker 3: are desexing for free. They've already done about four hundred

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Speaker 3: dogs just in like a couple of years, and they

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01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 3: can't keep up with demand. Like they opened all these

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Speaker 3: slots in March to be able to desex the dogs

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Speaker 3: for free, and they were all gone within three days

2038
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 3: and then they have a wait list for it. So anyway,

2039
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 3: good on them for doing that, because I love it

2040
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 3: when I love it when there's a problem and then

2041
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 3: there are people fixing the problem, just getting on with it. Anyway,

2042
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 3: here's what I got to tell you, the point in

2043
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 3: your life in which you will be the saddest, most depressed,

2044
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 3: least happy as forty six. Now, this is probably not

2045
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 3: what you expect. Probably what you expect is that as

2046
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 3: you get older and your bones start falling apart and

2047
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 3: everything starts hurting, and your kids are dicks to you,

2048
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 3: and you're getting closer to death and you're bored because

2049
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 3: you're retired. You probably think that's a bad period. No,

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Speaker 3: forty six is the point of which you're the saddest

2051
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: in your life. Well, life is like a U bend

2052
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 3: of happiness, apparently, So you start out really happy when

2053
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 3: you're a kid, and then as you get older, you

2054
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 3: just get more and more sad because you just realize,

2055
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 3: like how much you've got to cope with, how expensive

2056
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 3: carrots are, you know, your mortgage, like how much you're

2057
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,679
Speaker 3: paying the bank and interest, and how much you don't

2058
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 3: like your colleagues and all that stuff makes you feel miserable.

2059
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 3: And then when you hit forty six, for some reason,

2060
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 3: happiness just starts climbing and it never stops ending until

2061
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 3: you die. And apparently the reason is because the closer

2062
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 3: you get to death, the more you realize the things

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01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 3: that matter, and then you do the things that matter

2064
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,799
Speaker 3: and you don't worry about everything else. Therefore you become happier.

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01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 3: Isn't that nice?

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01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 6: And isn't that just a love?

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Speaker 19: I'm sorry to hear that you don't like us either,

2068
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 19: and me and Laura will try and take the pressure off.

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01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 3: Since you're talking about you am I.

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01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 19: You're approaching the bottom of the U bend. So we

2071
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 19: will do our best to make everything as happy as

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01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 19: possible around here Africa by Toto to play us out tonight.

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01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 3: This is what Surely this will make you happy.

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01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 19: Either you'll be going along to Toto there on nine

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01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 19: tonight in Auckland, and then of course if you're in

2076
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 19: Wellington you can go see them tomorrow and then they're

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01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 19: in christ Church and listen.

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01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to be I

2079
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,600
Speaker 3: don't want to be that that stuff. You know that

2080
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 3: that's a dick to you. But did you have to

2081
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 3: choose Africa like they've got bangers Man, Roseanne, Ran Rosanna

2082
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 3: whatever it's called of you that one?

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01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 19: Well, I was just thinking, like most listeners aren't going

2085
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 19: to the show to so they're only going to get

2086
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 19: to hear one Toto song, and.

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01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 3: They get to hear Toto in the supermarket every day

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01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 3: they hear today. Yes, did you not think you should

2089
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 3: have played hold the line?

2090
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 19: Look, I'm just I'm giving I'm going for a mass

2091
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 19: audience here, Heather, I'm going for mass crowd pleasing text

2092
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 19: in nine, how did you a disservice?

2093
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 3: Go on No, I don't text it, because then you're

2094
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 3: just going to side with the ants, and then I'm

2095
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 3: gonna feel stink about that for calling them out on

2096
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 3: it on air. Anyway, this is going to be their

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Speaker 3: own core. All you tomorrow, This is going to be

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Speaker 3: their on care Enjoy your evening, See you tomorrow.

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