1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: one of a kind on the huddle with us this 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: evening we have Fellow Riley of Iron Duke Partners and 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Rob Campbell, aut Chancellor, former Boss of Health New Zealand 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: hie lads. Hard to argue with Jacqueline, isn't it Phil? 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: I didn't he made I was so solent. Maybe let 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 2: Rob start? 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Okay, hard to argue with Jacqueline, isn't it Rob? 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: I'm sure I could pick an argument with Jacqueline, but 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: I don't really need to about this. The main thing 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: is to focus on what we are doing and what 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: we need to go on doing. I think this whole 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: business about pulling out and not pulling out of trade 14 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: agreements for US is the Paris Agreement et cetera for 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 3: US is a bit of a sideline. If we keep 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: focusing on what we're doing, there's no need for us 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 3: to pull out or not pull out. Eventually this will 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: work its way through. We've got to keep on doing 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 3: what we need to do. That's the issue, and that's 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: what you acts jumping up and down about this, And 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: I see quite incredibly that chat Cameron who was speaking 22 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: for them, described our policies is being unrelated to the science. Well, 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: if there's anything less related to the science than what 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: Cameron comes out, well I've never heard it. So what 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: we have to do is keep on with the keep 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: on with what we're doing, improving our practices, lifting our 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 3: game all the time, and then we will be listening 28 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: to in the world circles if we need to talk 29 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: to them. 30 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well again let's talk about phil I'm quite 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: ten to talk about what's going on with the Maori Party. 32 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: It looks to me very much like this reset is 33 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: basically aimed at a big behavior switch and them being 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: taken sort of toning down their behavior and being taken 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: seriously enough to be part of a future cabinet with 36 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: the Labor Party and the Greens. 37 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: What do you think and then they do a hacker 38 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: in the parliament it yeah, I mean, you know, it's 39 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: kind of weird. So I'm not sure that by just 40 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: calming down a bit they'll be seen as any more 41 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: or many more part of a cabinet by the non 42 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: Mari Party voter than before. Actually, I think they really 43 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: do need to come out with some policy that's more 44 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: than just grievance, and more than just protest and actually 45 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: sit down and sadly we actually make you deal the better. 46 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: And I just I just see them doing that. Frankly, 47 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: the politics and sidemark the Maro partic clearly is intense. 48 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: They seem unwilling or in capable of complying with some 49 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: basic rules or even if they want to change them, 50 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: having a proper conversation about changing them. So I think 51 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: they're quite a long way away from being seen as 52 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: a force in any future government Frankly, and by agree 53 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: of those who say Crucipkens should think about ruling them out, 54 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: as she's probably doing. 55 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: Good, Rob, I don't think that to party mar is 56 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: all that concerned about what we three are likely to 57 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: decide tonight. Is a good thing for them to do. 58 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: I mean they're appealing to a mari electric quite specifically, 59 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: they're just a new MP into parliament pretty decisively against 60 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 3: the Labor Party. I think that the issue is not 61 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: so much whether they take themselves seriously, but it's whether 62 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: we take them seriously, and in fact we have to. 63 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: They're a significant element in our political equation and if 64 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 3: some people don't like them, well that's just hard luck. 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: They're significant. 66 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I think you're failing to understand something. It's not hard luck, 67 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: it's you're not in cabinet. 68 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: Well, we'll see whether that proves to be the case 69 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: or not. I've always found politicians be pretty flexible when 70 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: it comes to the number crunching to get them in department. 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: I'll wait and see about that. I don't know. 72 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it will be a key issue in the 73 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: electric in election though, with the actually going to say, 74 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: look at those guys. You can't you can't elect Chippy 75 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: because those guys are going to be in the government. 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: So you know, it is quite an important piece practically, 77 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: because it's not the not the people to vote for 78 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 2: them that'll be the problem, and it'll be the people 79 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: that might otherwise vote for for labor or good for Greens. 80 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and I wait and see, let's wait 81 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: and see. 82 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think we need to wait and see, Phil. 83 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: I think we've already seen it today, haven't we. You 84 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: can make all the decisions you like. If you can't 85 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: get your own MPCE to toe the line, there's no chance, 86 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: is that. 87 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just an unnecessary own goal in 88 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: terms of their well, I understand what they's trying to 89 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: do it. In fact, I won't argue by the way 90 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: can change the standing order so they can be a 91 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: hardward in the Parliament. Good for the end, you know, great, 92 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: but you can't do it until you change the standing orders. 93 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: And I think you need to lean into that process 94 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: with everybody else to say, look, let's come up with 95 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: some proper arrangements here other than simply poking the borax 96 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: and poking your thing out. It literally that what's going on. 97 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: I just don't think can look sensible to anybody other 98 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: than them and their relatively small group of supporters that 99 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: you're not even all of. Marridam is a supporter of 100 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: the Murray Party, so you know, it's quite a nish thing, 101 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: a powerful I know, and the Murray seats of course, 102 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: but it just need to look a bit more like 103 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: everybody else could could understand them and trying to work 104 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: with them. I think that's the nature of democracy. 105 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the Global 106 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Leader and Luxury real Estate. Right, you're back with a huddle, 107 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Rob Campbell and Fuller Riley. Rob, how optimistic are you 108 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: about peace in Gaza. 109 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: I'm very unoptimistic about peace in Gaza. I'm really pleased 110 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: that some of the bombing and killing will stop. I'm 111 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: really pleased that hostages and prisoners interesting distinction, hostages and 112 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: prisoners going to be released. That's a good thing. But 113 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 3: there's a long way to go before there is peace 114 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: in Palestine. I'm afraid to say, but look, you'd be 115 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: a bad person if you when happy about people stopping 116 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: people getting killed. 117 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: Rob Where are you worried it falls apart? 118 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: At what point? I think? I'm no expert in this, 119 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: but it seems to me that when it becomes to 120 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: the question of power and the alignment of power and 121 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: who's going to make decisions across the whole of Palestine, 122 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: that it will start to fall apart. So I think 123 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: those negotiations have really let to really yet to happen. 124 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: What do you think, phil Well? 125 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: I makes you a little more positive than Robert? I 126 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: think to get overall peace in Palestine is a very 127 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: hard ask. But this is a this is a massive 128 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: step forward. This is an organization who's very nature Hamas 129 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: is to destroy the Jewish people and destroy Israel. And 130 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: you know, luckily now they've done what they what they 131 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: should have done. You know years ago, you made many 132 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: many months ago in terms of the hostages, and so 133 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: you know that, and you know obviously some some backing 134 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: down bo Israel as well, and so you know the 135 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: way in which Trump has managed to achieve this. I mean, youick, 136 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: you criticist trumple You're like I've always found with political leaders, 137 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: they don't do everything wrong, and they don't do everything right. 138 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: And Trump does an awful lot wrong. I think we 139 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: can all agree with that. But on this one, I 140 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: think he's got it right. And I'm a little more 141 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: hopeful than Robin in the sense that this kind of 142 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: technocratic group that he's going to chair, which is going 143 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: to look to look after Palestine in the meantime, I 144 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: think there's some there's some something to that. It's what 145 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: happened after the Second World War in the likes of Berlin, 146 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 2: and it kind of worked, So I think there's something 147 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: to that. I think we should we should just suspend 148 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: judgment for a minute or two and see how it 149 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: plays out. To Rob's point, the chances of were being 150 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: completely successful pretty more. But look, it's better than I've 151 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: seen in the last ten years. So good for them. 152 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll give it a chance. Now, Rob, I'm terrified 153 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: of asking you this question because I feel like I 154 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: know what the answer is going to be. Do you 155 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: think we should decriminalize drugs in New Zealand? 156 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: You might pusher? Are you going to come out unveil 157 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: yourself as my pusher? 158 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: Are you if I'm pushing you drugs, I'm probably only 159 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: pushing your drugs for your heart or something like that. 160 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: What do you think? 161 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: Look, I think that we have to address the drug 162 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: issue as primarily a health issue, and by that I 163 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: mean a social health as well as a physical health issue. 164 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: To the extent that decriminalization can help that, I support it. 165 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: And for example, I think some things have been effectively 166 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: decriminalized anyway, like cannabis I think is something that we 167 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: could readily move on some of the more serious drugs. 168 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: I think we would want to proceed reasonably carefully, but 169 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: the direction should be towards not criminalizing people for using, 170 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: but criminalized people for making and trading even the dangerous drugs. 171 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: So there's got to be a way through that second, 172 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: in my view, to get to the real issues. 173 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: Phil I agree with Robin this issue. Iways been a 174 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: bit of a fan for dick rimalization, which is a 175 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: different thing to legalization, right, it's a different thing. And 176 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: I think that the challenge is when you say that, 177 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: what do you mean, who are you decriminalizing? And you 178 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: can't decriminalize the mung the or pushing the stuff, can you? 179 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: So how do you actually draw that line in the 180 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: sand and how do you get away. 181 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: From standindmendalities don't use the personal. 182 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: Use yeah, in theory, although you know, you can see 183 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: how you can start to bend some lines there. But 184 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: I agree with Robin this clearly the current situation is 185 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: not working effectively. If I suspect this has never happened 186 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: to because I don't do drugs, but apparently, but you know, 187 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: if I suspect, if you we've found with some drugs 188 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: by the police, they probablyouldn't do too much. I suspect 189 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: they're just you know, leave your unless you're doing something 190 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: other bad. So you know, we need to just get 191 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: that real. And I certainly agree with Lob that and 192 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: other advocates too. We need to treat this as a 193 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: health issue, and that's the best way to out it, 194 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: to get people actually declaring it. To say I need 195 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: help and that will actually help clean it up. But 196 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: see that it's a hard road. 197 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: That's a hard road, really is guys. It's great to 198 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: chat to the pair of you. Thank you so much, 199 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: Rob Campbell, Fellow Riley. 200 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 3: Now huddle for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. 201 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 202 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.