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Speaker 6: Yeah, and a very very good morning and welcome along
Speaker 6: to the Resonant Builder on Sunday. You with me Peter
Speaker 6: wolf Camp, Resident Builder, and we are talking all things
Speaker 6: building and construction, lots and lots happening in that space
Speaker 6: at the moment, and especially in terms of legislation. We'll
Speaker 6: go into it a little bit more detail later on.
Speaker 6: You know, change of government feels like it's a little
Speaker 6: while ago now, lots and lots of talk about we're
Speaker 6: going to make things more efficient, We're going to make
Speaker 6: some changes, we're going to make it quicker, easier, faster,
Speaker 6: to build houses more affordably, etc.
Speaker 7: Etc.
Speaker 6: And in fact, a couple of quite big announcements that
Speaker 6: came out on Friday. So I've got the press releases
Speaker 6: and we can have a look at some of that detail. Now,
Speaker 6: maybe those things are actually of little importance to you.
Speaker 6: Perhaps you're struggling along trying to get a job done
Speaker 6: around the house, a practical type of job where maybe
Speaker 6: you're trying to finish fixing some squeaky floorboards, or perhaps
Speaker 6: you're looking to upgrade the extraction from your bathroom, which
Speaker 6: is exactly what I'm only saying that because that was
Speaker 6: my task last couple of days. The old ceiling fan
Speaker 6: had finally given up the ghost. It wasn't terribly effective.
Speaker 6: This is the extraction from the bathroom. It wasn't terribly effective.
Speaker 6: To be blunt, I didn't do a great job installing
Speaker 6: it in the first place. So I found a replacement
Speaker 6: which was the same size, which is good. It had
Speaker 6: a slightly different arrangement, which means I needed to redo
Speaker 6: the ducting and I needed to redo the exit point
Speaker 6: out of the building as well, so old house one
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty odd years of dust up there. It
Speaker 6: was hot yesterday. It was hot the day before as well,
Speaker 6: so it was nice thirty eight degrees, nice brisk thirty
Speaker 6: eight degrees up inside the roof space. And excuse me,
Speaker 6: by the time you get out to the outside edge
Speaker 6: there's not a lot of headroom there either. Anyway, it
Speaker 6: got done and I was delighted with that. Albeit, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 6: it was a bit dry and dusty up there, but
Speaker 6: that's my job done. Yesterday, wrapped up at about I
Speaker 6: don't know, five thirty quarter to six something like that,
Speaker 6: just in time for dinner. So if you are working
Speaker 6: away on a project and it's maybe it's going well,
Speaker 6: or perhaps it's not going particularly well at all, and
Speaker 6: you'd like to talk about it, this is the show
Speaker 6: for you. So all things building, construction, regulations, the legal
Speaker 6: side of it, what you can do, what you can't do,
Speaker 6: where to go and find the correct answers. In fact,
Speaker 6: I was at I had to go and pick up
Speaker 6: some taps yesterday as well, went into Chesters Plumbing and
Speaker 6: we got talking about tile showers. Tile showers seemingly are
Speaker 6: a bit of a nightmare in terms of compliance. All
Speaker 6: well and good when you're doing it from scratch, but
Speaker 6: in terms of can you do a tile shower without
Speaker 6: a building consent as sort of an alteration to an
Speaker 6: existing bathroom, I think the short answer is you always
Speaker 6: need a consent for that. But in reading more about it,
Speaker 6: I've found some information that goes well, actually, if it's
Speaker 6: a certain type of tile shower, maybe you don't. We
Speaker 6: could go into that detail as well. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty, let's rip into it. It is coming
Speaker 6: up just gone eleven minutes after six on. Actually it
Speaker 6: was quite a pleasant Sunday morning, certainly, getting a little
Speaker 6: crisper out there in the morning. Car's got a bit
Speaker 6: of dew on it when I jumped into the truck
Speaker 6: this morning. And the days are just a little bit shorter,
Speaker 6: and I think daylight saving ends a couple of weeks away.
Speaker 6: Something like that's not too far away. So if you're
Speaker 6: thinking about doing outside jobs, now is probably the time
Speaker 6: to get cracking. Or perhaps your attention has already turned
Speaker 6: to some of those indoor tasks that you'd like to
Speaker 6: get sorted out. We can talk about all things inside outside,
Speaker 6: under the floor, up on the roof, inside the roof,
Speaker 6: where I spent a decent couple of hours the last
Speaker 6: few days, or any other building construction related issues that
Speaker 6: you would like to discuss. Eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is the number nine two nine two is the
Speaker 6: text number. That's zbzb off your mobile phone. And if
Speaker 6: you'd like to send me an email, you are absolutely welcome.
Speaker 7: To do that.
Speaker 6: It's peaked at Newstalks. It'd be dot co dot NZ.
Speaker 6: A little later on the show, a story that was
Speaker 6: kind of well did it make headlines that might be
Speaker 6: overstating it to be fair. It popped up during the
Speaker 6: course of the week around an application by a developer,
Speaker 6: Kirkpatrick Group and Auckland to develop a eleven story mix
Speaker 6: of retail and commercial space so shops down below, offices
Speaker 6: up above on a fairly prominent site on Auckland's K Road.
Speaker 6: The pretty much the end of K Road near where
Speaker 6: it meets was it New North no Great North Road?
Speaker 8: And is it Great Norroad?
Speaker 6: New North Road, Great North Road and Potsbury Road and
Speaker 6: Newton Gully around that area there it's the old site
Speaker 6: for those of you who might have had motorbikes in
Speaker 6: the past. It's where the old Coleman Suzuki was up
Speaker 6: on K Road and the developer had proposed an eleven
Speaker 6: story building, which is not insignificant, but it had a
Speaker 6: couple of unique features. It was going to be a
Speaker 6: mass timber building, so I celt or something similar, which
Speaker 6: is cross laminated timber. It was going to have a
Speaker 6: very high ecological rating, so it's a Green Star six
Speaker 6: rated building. It's in an area where you know, we've
Speaker 6: just spent four and a half almost five billion dollars
Speaker 6: building a railway line that will encourage mass transit. It's
Speaker 6: walking distance to the train station, these sorts of things,
Speaker 6: and well it's a little bit of a walk, I
Speaker 6: have to say, it's not like it's right round the corner. Anyway.
Speaker 6: The building went into Auckland Council. It goes because it's
Speaker 6: a notifiable building. It went to the planning committee. They
Speaker 6: sought submissions from people and they ended up deciding that
Speaker 6: it wasn't the appropriate type of building for that area.
Speaker 6: There was concerns about its scale, about its appearance on
Speaker 6: the skyline, et cetera, et cetera. So they've turned down
Speaker 6: planning permission for it, and I kind of read through
Speaker 6: the article. It seems that Chris Bishop, member of Parliament,
Speaker 6: also read that article and talked about insanity and absurdity
Speaker 6: and the ridiculousness of the planning thing and why the
Speaker 6: RIMA Resource Management Act needs reform, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: I think a number of other people said this is
Speaker 6: absurd and then out of the blue, someone involved in
Speaker 6: it who's been on this show before, Hamish Firth, sent
Speaker 6: me an email as well, going, hey, your thoughts on this.
Speaker 6: We had some email correspondence. I thought, ah, let's chat
Speaker 6: about it and just in general terms, what happens with
Speaker 6: these large, significant developments, what the planning processes, Who the
Speaker 6: planning committee are. I'm curious to know as to how
Speaker 6: they get appointed to these roles and what happens when
Speaker 6: they make a decision that perhaps you will be appealed
Speaker 6: or needs to be appealed. That might be a little
Speaker 6: bit subjective, but we can talk about that. So Hamish
Speaker 6: Firth from Mount Holpson Group, who, as I say, happened
Speaker 6: he's been on the show regularly as an expert, but
Speaker 6: he also is involved on behalf of the developer in
Speaker 6: this particular case. So I'm not going to lobby for
Speaker 6: or against it, but I'm always interested to see how
Speaker 6: these things work out in terms of you know, a
Speaker 6: development lad this goes to council for planning approval, could
Speaker 6: be anywhere in the country. Sometimes it gets permission and
Speaker 6: sometimes it doesn't. And what do you do afterwards. So
Speaker 6: we've been talking with Hamish about that after eight o'clock
Speaker 6: this morning, but right now it is the perfect opportunity,
Speaker 6: given that you're all up and about and thinking about
Speaker 6: the jobs that you want to get done today. Either
Speaker 6: like I say, under the house, in the house, on
Speaker 6: the house, outside the house, inside the house. You tell
Speaker 6: me what you're up to, we'll talk about it. Oh,
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
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Speaker 6: To lines are open if you care to call, and
Speaker 6: a trust that you will. Eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is that number to call. Quick text hey Pete,
Speaker 6: enjoy the show. Unfortunately I can't ring because I'm busy milking.
Speaker 6: I think this person is a regular contributor. I often
Speaker 6: get the tagline busy milking, which is fair enough, wondering
Speaker 6: about your thoughts on how to attack our house that
Speaker 6: isn't level. The main issue is that there is very
Speaker 6: little room between the floor and the ground. It has
Speaker 6: both totra piles and concrete ones, as it must have
Speaker 6: been added on to at a later date. Whatever the
Speaker 6: solution is, I don't imagine it'll be that cheap. You're
Speaker 6: probably right, and you know typically if you can get
Speaker 6: in underneath the house, then you know and safely do
Speaker 6: so too, because it's quite a process to repile a house. Obviously,
Speaker 6: you need to hold the house up, which generally involves
Speaker 6: lugging in lots of what look like short sleepers. So
Speaker 6: STIs building up piles underneath the house, jacking the house
Speaker 6: up level, supporting it so you can remove the existing piles,
Speaker 6: digging a new hole where there might just have been.
Speaker 6: In this case of it's totraal ones, they would have
Speaker 6: just been sort of not even driven into the ground.
Speaker 6: They would have dug a small hole, pop the totra
Speaker 6: post on top of it, and then trimmed it off
Speaker 6: level with where they wanted the bearers to go. And
Speaker 6: that would have been it, and they would have sat
Speaker 6: there for years. And I've pulled out some that when
Speaker 6: they come out, they kind of look like a rotten tooth,
Speaker 6: you know. They're just like a V shaped where they've
Speaker 6: rotted around the outside, and eventually they rot to the
Speaker 6: point that the house starts to subside. So if you've
Speaker 6: got those old toutraal matti piles like that, you'll need
Speaker 6: to pull those out, dig down, require depth probably four
Speaker 6: fifty to six hundred deep, hang a new tennelized pile there,
Speaker 6: and then pump in concrete in there. Now, all of
Speaker 6: that you can do if there's sort of five six
Speaker 6: hundred millimeters underneath the bearer. Anything less than that that
Speaker 6: gets quite challenging. I suppose. The other option is you
Speaker 6: look at getting the whole house lifted to redo the
Speaker 6: piles and then drop back down, or the house ends
Speaker 6: up being at a higher level. If there were lots
Speaker 6: of existing piles and the movement was quite within let's
Speaker 6: say one hundred millimeters, you can block and chock. I'm
Speaker 6: sure there's a slightly more technical term than that, but
Speaker 6: typically it just involves leveling the house and cutting little
Speaker 6: blocks on top of your existing piles, strapping those down
Speaker 6: in a way that means the house is still secured
Speaker 6: to the piles. And that's basically it. You can chock
Speaker 6: and block if you can get in there, and it
Speaker 6: can be no more than one hundred millimeters, and I
Speaker 6: think there might even be a regulation around how many
Speaker 6: sort of chock and blocks you can do. You know,
Speaker 6: not every single pile in the house can be cut
Speaker 6: or can have a block and certain in the top
Speaker 6: of it. So those are your options. But if it's
Speaker 6: really really low to the ground, in some cases I've
Speaker 6: seen it and had to do it myself over the years,
Speaker 6: cut the floor out and work from there and then
Speaker 6: sort of reinstate everything. But that's when the cost really
Speaker 6: starts to ramp up. So the yeah, a couple of issues.
Speaker 6: Therefore you good luck with that, and good luck with
Speaker 6: the milking. This morning. Another text that's come through. I
Speaker 6: made the comment about tile showers. I've it should be simple,
Speaker 6: shouldn't it. It should be relatively straightforward. If you are
Speaker 6: doing an alteration. Let's say you've got an old The
Speaker 6: classic example is, you know, typical sort of nineteen sixties
Speaker 6: nineteen seventies bathroom will have if it's a complete bathroom
Speaker 6: with a toilet of vanity and a bath and maybe
Speaker 6: a shower over it, you want to rip that out
Speaker 6: and you want to install. You're going to upgrade it.
Speaker 6: You want to tile the shower tile, the floor tile,
Speaker 6: the shower enclosure.
Speaker 8: And so on.
Speaker 6: You're not adding any the number of sanitary fittings, which
Speaker 6: is a trigger for a building consent. You're simply keeping
Speaker 6: the shape of the room. But you're going to change
Speaker 6: a bath over a shower to a tile shower. And
Speaker 6: does that automatically trigger the requirement for a building consent?
Speaker 6: And as soon as you talk about showers, you talk
Speaker 6: about waterproofing, and typically that requires a building consent. Except
Speaker 6: when you go through and read the Building Act E two,
Speaker 6: I think it is control of internal moisture. It starts
Speaker 6: to talk about tile showers and then it refers you
Speaker 6: to the Waterproofing Association of New Zealand Guide steps three
Speaker 6: through six or something like that, and it says if
Speaker 6: you comply with that, if you do it as per
Speaker 6: those standards, it's deemed to be compliant. And there it
Speaker 6: talks about having hob I know, this gets all incredibly
Speaker 6: technical and a bit boring to be fair, but though
Speaker 6: that's what I've sort of got to with my reading. Actually,
Speaker 6: when I was in it Chester yesterday we were talking
Speaker 6: about tile showers, and again, you know, if you're in
Speaker 6: a situation where you're selling plumbing fittings and someone says,
Speaker 6: do you think I need to consent with that? It
Speaker 6: puts the people in the store in quite a challenging position.
Speaker 6: What's the advice and their advice. The conversation I had
Speaker 6: yesterday was, look, go back and talk to your local
Speaker 6: council about it.
Speaker 8: It should be a little bit.
Speaker 6: More straightforward than that someone's text through. Anyway, Good morning, Pet,
Speaker 6: I hope you will thank you. I am as I
Speaker 6: believe it is. In the Mbie determination zero five to
Speaker 6: four concluded that you can replace an acrylic wall lining
Speaker 6: with a waterproof tile without a consent as long as
Speaker 6: the shower tray is not tiled. Yes, that may well
Speaker 6: be true because typically if you've got a crylic shower base,
Speaker 6: it'll have an upstand, and I guess the really critical
Speaker 6: part is often that is an area where it leaks. Right,
Speaker 6: if you've got a tiled floor and a tiled upstand,
Speaker 6: that ninety degree bend from flat to vertical is where
Speaker 6: you may get some leakage. So if you've got a
Speaker 6: tile in acrylic shower tray with an upstand and your
Speaker 6: tiles come down over the top of that, it's less risk.
Speaker 6: Plus the waste is more easily formed. You're not worried
Speaker 6: about how water actually gets into the waste and where
Speaker 6: the water that gets through the tiles and sits on
Speaker 6: the waterproofing is still actually directed into the waste. I'll
Speaker 6: go and have a look at that. I have spent
Speaker 6: when I've got time, a little bit of time reading determinations,
Speaker 6: So you can go to the INBI website and read
Speaker 6: through determinations about when there has been a dispute between
Speaker 6: let's say a builder or a homeowner and council about
Speaker 6: issues of the building code, you can apply to MB
Speaker 6: for a determination. It goes to the specialist team. They
Speaker 6: review it and decide whether the work is compliant with
Speaker 6: the building code or not. What was the one that
Speaker 6: I was reading the other day, Oh, I was searching
Speaker 6: for stuff on tile showers. I don't know if it
Speaker 6: was determination zero five to four, but I'll certainly go home.
Speaker 8: And look at that.
Speaker 6: During the course of the week, right your opportunity. I've
Speaker 6: said enough your time to talk. Eight hundred eighty ten
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Speaker 6: more than welcome to give me a call on that one.
Speaker 6: I was just listening to that little promo during our
Speaker 6: ad break there talking about the building Minister Chris Penk
Speaker 6: and his references to building consents and the time that
Speaker 6: it takes to get those. So the press release that
Speaker 6: came out, when was it twenty first? Okay, so Friday.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's great releasing these sorts of
Speaker 6: things on a Friday, but new annual data has exposed
Speaker 6: the staggering cost of delays previously hidden in the building
Speaker 6: consent system. According to Building and Construction Minister Chris penk
Speaker 6: he quotes I directed the Building Consent Authorities the BCAS,
Speaker 6: to begin providing quarterly data the last year to improve transparency,
Speaker 6: followed repeated complaints from tradespeople waiting far longer than the
Speaker 6: statutory twenty days for a building consent. For the first time,
Speaker 6: we have a consistent nationwide data proving statutory frameworks masking problems.
Speaker 6: Councils are stopping the clock on applications by requesting additional information,
Speaker 6: extending the processing time beyond the official twenty working day's target.
Speaker 6: The complete data for twenty twenty four paints a stark picture.
Speaker 6: Two thirds of applications required a request for information or
Speaker 6: an RFI, adding an average of nearly twelve extra days
Speaker 6: to processing time. That's twelve more days of projects. Stalling
Speaker 6: time is money for our Tradees and officials estimate a
Speaker 6: twelve day working or twelve working day delay because of
Speaker 6: an RFI could cost around four thousand dollars per dwelling
Speaker 6: last year, forty ninety four three hundred and sixty two
Speaker 6: applications triggered an RFI. So that's from Minister. I'm happy
Speaker 6: to talk about this as well, and it's the timing
Speaker 6: all the time is interesting. We've been waiting in terms
Speaker 6: of the sector. We've been waiting for this for a
Speaker 6: little while as to see what's going to happen. Of course,
Speaker 6: telling us what we already knew might not be that useful.
Speaker 6: Most people who have submitted a consent have kind of wondered,
Speaker 6: you know, why didn't I get my building consent in
Speaker 6: twenty days? What in the next few months. I'm just
Speaker 6: reading more from the press release. In the next few
Speaker 6: months we will finalize decisions on major initiatives to speed
Speaker 6: up the process. These include streamlining inspections, enabling trusted builders
Speaker 6: to sign off their own work, restructuring the bcas the
Speaker 6: building consent authorities to ensure that they're fit for purpose,
Speaker 6: and adopting a more balanced approach to liability for defective work.
Speaker 6: I have to say that within that particular power, that's
Speaker 6: an enormous amount of potential changes to the way that
Speaker 6: building regulations are administered and the way that we go
Speaker 6: about I suppose providing the compliance pathway for construction work
Speaker 6: in New Zealand. There's a lot in that. If you're
Speaker 6: a tradee, if you're a developer, if you're a homeowner
Speaker 6: waiting for a building consent to be issued for let's say,
Speaker 6: an alteration for a bathroom, this will impact on you.
Speaker 6: I will ensure that we get the Minister on the
Speaker 6: program the next couple of weeks to talk about this
Speaker 6: and sort of drill down through it.
Speaker 7: But it's.
Speaker 6: I guess what the counter to this is if plans
Speaker 6: require RFIs if councils sit down and they're looking through
Speaker 6: the plan and they have to they have to send
Speaker 6: it back to the architect or architectural designer whoever, the
Speaker 6: LBP that submitted it, the design LBP who submitted it,
Speaker 6: for further information. The implication out of this feels like
Speaker 6: it's council's fault that the plans aren't right, Whereas I
Speaker 6: just wonder whether there's a flip side to this, or
Speaker 6: there's an alternative alternate to this particular issue as well,
Speaker 6: where you go maybe the quality of the plans that
Speaker 6: are being submitted for building consent are not that good,
Speaker 6: or our council being too risk averse and not how
Speaker 6: do I phrase this properly? I guess it's it's around
Speaker 6: you know, do you? Yes, you have to put every
Speaker 6: single detail now into a set of plans in order
Speaker 6: for it to prove compliance with the code. Look, I
Speaker 6: just and I said this the other day at a
Speaker 6: sort of group of building professionals. In fact, there was
Speaker 6: some council people involved in that as well. You know,
Speaker 6: I built a house. It was a labor only contract
Speaker 6: that I had with my mate Dan. We were we
Speaker 6: got we put in a labor only price to I
Speaker 6: don't think we had to do the slab, but we
Speaker 6: did everything from the slab up right. So we nailed
Speaker 6: the frames together, pot the trusses on, did the cladding,
Speaker 6: put the windows in, did the jib, did the finishing line.
Speaker 6: So typical three bedroom house, maybe one hundred and twenty squares,
Speaker 6: And the plans for that I've still got. I've got
Speaker 6: a copy of the plans. They're in a file of
Speaker 6: old plans and I think there may be four or
Speaker 6: five pages right of plans sufficient to build a house
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety one, ninety ninety two, and today I
Speaker 6: would suspect that if you submitted a set of plans
Speaker 6: for a building consent for a similar type of house,
Speaker 6: it would be I don't know, fifteen pages of plans
Speaker 6: of details right cross sections, elevations, details of window flashing,
Speaker 6: sell flashing, side flashings, junctions.
Speaker 8: Etc, etc.
Speaker 6: Etc. So have we made it too complex in terms
Speaker 6: of what council need to know in order to build
Speaker 6: a relatively straightforward building? Or flip side to that is,
Speaker 6: are the quality of the plans that are being submitted
Speaker 6: to council so poor and people are leaving out details
Speaker 6: that they know they should include, And that's why councils
Speaker 6: have to come back and go, we don't think this
Speaker 6: is going to work. You need to give us more information.
Speaker 6: Hence the RFIs a couple of texts that have come in.
Speaker 6: Councils are using the RAFI process to extend time. We
Speaker 6: used RFI to manage workloads and workflows when I worked
Speaker 6: in that role. So yeah, look, and that's the sense
Speaker 6: I think that most people have is that if council
Speaker 6: or the people doing the processing are a little it
Speaker 6: under the pump or they're under resourced, then the quickest
Speaker 6: way to give themselves a bit of extra time is
Speaker 6: to pop out an RFI, and some of the rifis
Speaker 6: I think are and I'm sure I've told this story.
Speaker 6: I'll tell the story a little bit later on about
Speaker 6: an RFI that I made of mine got with regard
Speaker 6: to double glazing. But it's probably an extraordinary example, but
Speaker 6: I know that it's absolutely true. Right Oat, let's get
Speaker 6: into it. Twenty three minutes away from seven o'clock, Sandy,
Speaker 6: A very good morning. Good morning, Hey there, how are
Speaker 6: you doing?
Speaker 10: Good thing? So I got a question about my sense.
Speaker 10: It's a concrete block sense which the neighbors have built.
Speaker 9: Yes, wow, it's a really great sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was going to say that's awesome because.
Speaker 10: I know on their side, I haven't seen it, but
Speaker 10: they've done something like plane it off or something and
Speaker 10: then paint it. Oh yeah, I can I leave it
Speaker 10: or that need to be painted? I like the way
Speaker 10: it looks. I like the plain sort of gray color.
Speaker 10: Is there a disadvantage to leaving it like that?
Speaker 6: Not for something like a fence? Right? You know, if
Speaker 6: it was a building and we're concerned about you know,
Speaker 6: potentially moisture being absorbed into that and impacting on the
Speaker 6: interior environment, and that sort of thing we'd have a
Speaker 6: concern about it. But in terms of if you like
Speaker 6: the look of it, it will change over time. So
Speaker 6: one of the advantages to either painting it or sealing
Speaker 6: it would be that it prevents basically mold growth, right
Speaker 6: or moss and mildew and those sorts of things. Soft
Speaker 6: A wall like that left on its own, over time
Speaker 6: will darken and potentially you'll get basically like a it's
Speaker 6: not quite a mold, that is really a bit of will.
Speaker 6: But then, and in fact I was looking at I
Speaker 6: did some concrete retaining walls as part of garden landscaping
Speaker 6: at my own place about twenty odd year ys ago,
Speaker 6: and we plastered them and I just leave them natural,
Speaker 6: and it's a bit mottled and a bit this and
Speaker 6: a bit that, and that's all part of the character.
Speaker 6: So if you like that, it's great. If you wanted
Speaker 6: to take sort of a medium approach to it, I
Speaker 6: suspect what your neighbors have done if it's because it's
Speaker 6: quite an architectural finish is you hone the surface of
Speaker 6: the brick, So you use a grinder with a diamond
Speaker 6: blade and you just hone the surface, so it makes
Speaker 6: it slightly flat, but it also highlights the actual aggregates
Speaker 6: that are in there, right, and then put a sealer
Speaker 6: over the top of that. That's quite nice. I'm not
Speaker 6: suggesting you need to do the honing. You're welcome to,
Speaker 6: but you don't have to. But you could apply like
Speaker 6: a clear sealer over it, which will just mean that
Speaker 6: it sheds water a bit more and it will just
Speaker 6: give a little bit of protection to the surface from
Speaker 6: that organic growth.
Speaker 10: If you want to do what you do when you
Speaker 10: get to the ground level, Like, let's so you're painting,
Speaker 10: painting down, down, down, and then it's sort of sand dirt,
Speaker 10: do you know what I mean? How do you paint
Speaker 10: up to that line?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I suppose I would just go along maybe
Speaker 6: with a like the day before you wanted to seal
Speaker 6: it or paint it, dig it out, just dig it
Speaker 6: out a little bit, or rake it back and hose
Speaker 6: that down. So because eventually that wall will come down,
Speaker 6: and I would imagine today, is there a fairly wide
Speaker 6: and significant footing that the block wall sits on.
Speaker 10: I think so, because it's like a part retaining wall for.
Speaker 6: Them, Like, oh okay, so yours is higher, so they've
Speaker 6: excavated down. Yes, so yeah, can I ask then, I'm
Speaker 6: curious about these things. If it's acts as a retaining
Speaker 6: wall for their benefit, is the block wall on their
Speaker 6: side of the boundary, I would have no idea.
Speaker 10: I mean, I wasn't part of the surveying. They were
Speaker 10: paying for it all, So I'm just happy to have
Speaker 10: this great fense it's gone up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Because the reason I ask is that you know,
Speaker 6: if you imagine the line which is your boundary between
Speaker 6: you and your neighbor, because the wall acts as a
Speaker 6: retaining wall for their benefit at the lower at some
Speaker 6: sections of it, theoretically the entire wall should be on
Speaker 6: their side of the boundary, So you know, if you
Speaker 6: do a timber fence often will determine the boundary. We'll
Speaker 6: put the post smack bang in the middle, and then
Speaker 6: both people lose fifty sixty millimeters of their section to
Speaker 6: get the fence in. But in this case here the
Speaker 6: face that you see on your side I think should
Speaker 6: be on their side of the actual boundary line.
Speaker 10: It wouldn't surprise me if they have done that, because
Speaker 10: the composts been right up against the old fence, yes,
Speaker 10: and a now gap between that and the new sting. Wow, yeah, no,
Speaker 10: I think yeah, I certainly don't feel like they've done
Speaker 10: any wrong. But it's a great fence, so I'm happy again.
Speaker 6: I'm also curious about these things. So where where it retains,
Speaker 6: so where your property is higher than theirs. Did you
Speaker 6: notice when they were doing it, whether they put any
Speaker 6: drainage coil at the bottom, or you know there's scoria
Speaker 6: or waterproofing against the back of the wall.
Speaker 10: No, I didn't notice, to tell you the truth, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I know it was. It was like filled with concrete almost.
Speaker 6: The actual blocks themselves.
Speaker 10: Yes, I feel like they had you know, sort of
Speaker 10: lines up with concrete going down into the bricks.
Speaker 6: Yes, that'll be right, yep. Yeah. Back in the day
Speaker 6: we'd often just fill the cause that had the reinforcing
Speaker 6: in it, but increasingly the you know, we just grout
Speaker 6: all of the blocks.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: So, look, I have to say, given that I know
Speaker 6: kind of what the square meter rate for block work is,
Speaker 6: did they ask again, you don't have to tell me,
Speaker 6: but did they ask for a contribution from you for
Speaker 6: the fence.
Speaker 10: They contacted me, but they know my circumstances and they said, look,
Speaker 10: we'd love it if you could but there's no expectation.
Speaker 10: And I said, but I'd love to be able to
Speaker 10: but no, but yeah, I understand it cost around thirty
Speaker 10: five thousands.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, I mean, and again, interestingly enough,
Speaker 6: in terms of the Fencing Act, while they can enforce
Speaker 6: a contribution from a neighbor or from you, it's only.
Speaker 10: For a standard fence exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, wow, I mean, hey, look what a great neighbor.
Speaker 10: To be fair, Yeah, well I paid it the other
Speaker 10: way I want when I had small children.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there was a dangerous.
Speaker 10: Dog that lived over a very low fence next to me,
Speaker 10: and the landlord didn't want to make that sense higher
Speaker 10: and I was very confirmed about the safety, so I
Speaker 10: paid for the whole entire fens that time. So you know, yeah, yeah, anyway, Hey.
Speaker 9: Thank you so much pleasure.
Speaker 6: So look, there's not a definitive yes, you have to
Speaker 6: if you wanted to protect it, you could put a
Speaker 6: clear seala on it.
Speaker 12: You can leave itush.
Speaker 7: You might have to.
Speaker 6: If you use a really fluffy roller, it will be
Speaker 6: able to get into the grout lines because they're recessed slightly.
Speaker 6: Or you can go through do those with a brush
Speaker 6: first and then roll over the entire surface. But like
Speaker 6: I did some clear sealer on a project on Wednesday,
Speaker 6: and it's pretty easy to apply, just with a roller
Speaker 6: and you put it on, you let it saturate. You
Speaker 6: might give it a second code if you want to,
Speaker 6: but yeah, it'll that'll just keep the weather off it
Speaker 6: and stop it, you know, looking old quickly.
Speaker 10: Or would you just brush it off first.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just in terms of prepping it, because like at
Speaker 6: this time of year, you could even even if you
Speaker 6: don't have a water blast, even if you just gave it,
Speaker 6: you know, use the hose directly on it, maybe a
Speaker 6: soft broom to sort of scrub it down, let that
Speaker 6: dry for a day, and then apply the seal of
Speaker 6: the next day. That's that's enough preparation.
Speaker 10: To ring because I get lots of.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, hey, lovely to chat with you, all right, enjoy
Speaker 6: that block wall. That's fantastic. Take care, Bob. I'm curious
Speaker 6: about that because if if the wall is acting as
Speaker 6: a retaining then it definitely needs to be on the
Speaker 6: side of the boundary, and I think too all of
Speaker 6: the foundations should be on their side of the boundary
Speaker 6: as well, and ideally it should have some drainage behind
Speaker 6: there as well. Some people are suggesting a couple of
Speaker 6: clear seilers. I agree. Look, I think and you can
Speaker 6: get them. You know, they don't look glossy, they absorb in,
Speaker 6: they're almost a matte finish. But it will help just
Speaker 6: keep you know, the inevitable organic growth that mold and
Speaker 6: mildew that that rows on to expose surfaces at bay
Speaker 6: for a little time. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 6: I'll take a short break, but if you've got a question,
Speaker 6: you should call us now. We've got plenty of time.
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 6: More than happy to take your comments. With regard to
Speaker 6: the announcement from Chris Pink, the Housing and Construction Minister
Speaker 6: Building and Construction rather Minister with regard to building consents,
Speaker 6: a couple of interesting texts coming in on that, including
Speaker 6: this one. I think Pink is being disingenuous here. As
Speaker 6: a former quantity server, the amount of time wasted chasing
Speaker 6: up information missing information was infuriating. Yeah, I wonder whether
Speaker 6: I wonder whether that potentially should have acknowledged the fact
Speaker 6: that a certain number of consents that are submitted are
Speaker 6: probably of poor quality and in order to execute their
Speaker 6: duties appropriately, they need to go back and say to
Speaker 6: the designer, hey, there's information missing here. You need to
Speaker 6: provide more information. However, the story I was going to
Speaker 6: tell you, so someone I know who was doing a
Speaker 6: reasonably innovative build, right, it was, it's not a standard
Speaker 6: go to three six o four and put a house
Speaker 6: together type build ended up getting I think after the
Speaker 6: first submission of their building consent plans something like a
Speaker 6: ninety seven individual RFIs. And part of that would have
Speaker 6: been because it was a complex and innovative build, and
Speaker 6: there would have been features in that house that wouldn't
Speaker 6: have been part of the standard building code, right, in
Speaker 6: which case it's fair enough that the consenting or the
Speaker 6: processing officer goes, hey, look, how's that going to work?
Speaker 6: How's that going to work? However, and this is increasingly common,
Speaker 6: one of the things that they will often ask for
Speaker 6: is a maintenance schedule. So, yeah, you're going to use
Speaker 6: this particular product or methodology, where's the maintenance schedule for it?
Speaker 6: In this particular RFI. And I swear to you this
Speaker 6: is one hundred percent true. One of the RFIs that
Speaker 6: came back was what is the maintenance schedule for the
Speaker 6: gas inserted into the double glazed units. Have a bit
Speaker 6: of a think on that. If you think about double
Speaker 6: glazing and you know how double glazing goes together, and
Speaker 6: these days, rather than just sort of air in it,
Speaker 6: we're often inserting argone or other gases into that space.
Speaker 6: And so the RFI from council was, how what's the
Speaker 6: maintenance schedule for the gas inside the double glazed unit?
Speaker 6: Ponder on that during the break. We'll come back in
Speaker 6: a moment whether.
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Speaker 6: We're taking your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 6: is the number to call. So and texts as well.
Speaker 6: They're coming in. But I love the chat, So eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty. If you want to talk about buildings,
Speaker 6: about ceiling around you know, I mean, look, a lot
Speaker 6: of it is around protecting what you've got right, So
Speaker 6: you know, the maintenance that we often talk about is
Speaker 6: I always tell a story about maintenance in terms of
Speaker 6: I got a phone call from someone one time and
Speaker 6: they said, oh, could you come around please, and we
Speaker 6: need to replace the window, as in, replace the opening sash.
Speaker 6: And what had happened is it was an upstairs window.
Speaker 6: It was a simple, you know, two sash window with
Speaker 6: a million in the middle. Both of them opened and
Speaker 6: they had been left slightly open, and the wind caught
Speaker 6: the sash, whipped it back against the building and pop
Speaker 6: the hinges, and so the entire opening sash fell out,
Speaker 6: crashed to the ground a story below, smashed into a
Speaker 6: couple of pieces, and the glass was broken and so on.
Speaker 6: So in order to repair that, I had to go
Speaker 6: measure the opening size, go to the joiner, get a
Speaker 6: new sash made, go to the glazier, get some new
Speaker 6: glass made, put some scaffolding up, go up, replace the hinges,
Speaker 6: fit the new sash, redo the hardware, get someone to
Speaker 6: paint it. So all of that, you know, it's quite
Speaker 6: a process. There's weeks involved in measuring, going to the joiner,
Speaker 6: going to the glazier, getting the painter on site, putting
Speaker 6: the scaffolding up, et cetera, et cetera. And in talking
Speaker 6: to the homeowner later on, she said, well, I had
Speaker 6: asked my husband if he could tighten the hinge because
Speaker 6: it's been loose for about three months or something like that, right,
Speaker 6: so you know, hinge gets a little bit loose, you
Speaker 6: can see it flapping around, and then you don't get
Speaker 6: that done. And look, we're all guilty of it. I've
Speaker 6: got a thousand things that I need to do, so
Speaker 6: I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but it's that
Speaker 6: classic example of a little bit of maintenance delayed can
Speaker 6: cause much bigger problems. So that's why we do maintenance.
Speaker 6: Just quickly to answer the RFI story that I was
Speaker 6: telling you just before. So the house was complicated, it
Speaker 6: was unusual, It used a whole lot of building methodology
Speaker 6: that perhaps is not common and it's not found in
Speaker 6: the building code, but it had an approved compliance pathway.
Speaker 6: And so one of the RFIs was what's the maintenance
Speaker 6: schedule for the gas in the double glazed units? Now,
Speaker 6: if you know anything about double glazed units, they are
Speaker 6: installed in the factory. Sometimes they put argon in there
Speaker 6: because it's more effective, and that just sits inside the
Speaker 6: double glazed unit, right, and the double glaze unit is sealed,
Speaker 6: so there is no way back into the afterwards, I
Speaker 6: mean apart from the fact that the person that I
Speaker 6: know was flabbergasted that that was the question. They also
Speaker 6: in their reply to the ninety seven RFIs they got
Speaker 6: from council for their funky new build, they simply replied
Speaker 6: to number whatever it was, seventy six or whatever, that
Speaker 6: they would that it had a valve and they would
Speaker 6: pump it up as required. And that was their response
Speaker 6: to the RFI sufficient to say, I think the person
Speaker 6: realized that that was a bit of a foolish question.
Speaker 6: In the same way, look to be fair, I was
Speaker 6: doing a code of Compliance application and one of the
Speaker 6: RFIs that came back was, Hey, there's no detail about
Speaker 6: subfloor ventilation. It was a concrete slab on grade, right,
Speaker 6: So I don't need to provide information on ventilation to
Speaker 6: the subfloor given that there is no subfloor.
Speaker 8: So look at it.
Speaker 6: You know, I want to be fair to counsel. But
Speaker 6: at the same time, I think there is cases here
Speaker 6: where where perhaps the processing officers are asking questions about
Speaker 6: things that they should know, and then they're using the
Speaker 6: RFI as a way of getting around that. Right, We're
Speaker 6: going to talk about this a little bit more in
Speaker 6: the next hour. Join us now, oh eight hundred eighty ten.
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Speaker 6: On News Talk SEDB, You and News Talk SEB. We're
Speaker 6: talking all things building in construction. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 6: If you've got a question, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 6: is the number to call. Just before the news start
Speaker 6: to talk a little bit about I guess press release
Speaker 6: that came out from the Construction and Building Minister Chris
Speaker 6: Penk on Friday, this is sort of I guess new
Speaker 6: government comes in talks about wanting to make things more efficient,
Speaker 6: wants to speed up the build process. There was lots
Speaker 6: of figure is around. You know, it takes this many
Speaker 6: days from building consent to CCC. Can we shorten that up?
Speaker 6: I think one of the figures was it was like
Speaker 6: something like five hundred days from building consent to CCC.
Speaker 6: Then it identified the processing time for a building consent.
Speaker 6: So a lot of focus on Council bcas building consent authorities,
Speaker 6: how long it takes them to process a consent and
Speaker 6: is the delay? So they have a statutory requirement to
Speaker 6: process a building consent in twenty days. What typically happens,
Speaker 6: and almost everyone I know has had exactly this experience.
Speaker 6: Building consent gets submitted, the clock starts, and you know,
Speaker 6: around fifteen eighteen days after the consent is submitted, an
Speaker 6: email arrived saying hey, look we need this information, an
Speaker 6: RFI request for further information. And at that point, as
Speaker 6: soon as the email go out, as I understand it,
Speaker 6: the clock stops. So if it's day fifteen, then they go, right,
Speaker 6: we've stopped at day fifteen, and then they wait for
Speaker 6: the response from the designer or the architect the architectural
Speaker 6: drafts person to provide the information, and when it's received back,
Speaker 6: then the clock starts again. They start processing. So you know,
Speaker 6: if they're under you could argue that if you're under
Speaker 6: the pump as a processor, what you do is you
Speaker 6: flick off an email going hey, look I need more
Speaker 6: information on this, that and the other thing, and that
Speaker 6: gives you time to do other work while that consent
Speaker 6: sits there in a holding pattern until the RFI comes back.
Speaker 6: That's one way of looking at it. I guess the
Speaker 6: other way of looking at it is that you know,
Speaker 6: a consent is submitted, it's lacking in detail. Maybe there
Speaker 6: is some complex junctions that are not fully detailed. These
Speaker 6: flashing details that are not included. There might be waterproofing details,
Speaker 6: anything in the building consent and so the consent is
Speaker 6: incomplete and the processing officer can't say it complies with
Speaker 6: the code if those items are missing, right, in which
Speaker 6: case it's not actually the fault of council, it's the
Speaker 6: fault of the person who's submitted the plan. Is the
Speaker 6: quality or are the quality of the drawings less than optimal?
Speaker 6: You may have some thoughts on this. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty, we're going to talk installation. Good
Speaker 6: morning to you, carry How are you this morning?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Good?
Speaker 11: Peete yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not bad?
Speaker 9: Actually yet cool?
Speaker 11: Hey listen, pete, I've got a late nineteen seventies unit.
Speaker 9: Yes, And on one of the lounge.
Speaker 11: Walls is also the garage wall.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 11: And she's a bit cool in the garage. And we've
Speaker 11: changed the tilted door to a sectional door, insulated. And
Speaker 11: I noticed that that war with the lounge felt a
Speaker 11: bit cool. So I peeled back some of the hardboard
Speaker 11: and had a look.
Speaker 7: There's no.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I thought, do I take the hardboard off,
Speaker 11: insulate it, reline it, or is there anything that I
Speaker 11: can just put over the wall on the garage side
Speaker 11: to help insulate.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes there are if you wanted to. So there's
Speaker 6: the most commonly used product would be it's by Kingspan,
Speaker 6: So it's an insulated plasterboard. So if you imagine fifty
Speaker 6: millimeters of polystyrene effectively with a plaster board face so
Speaker 6: they're laminated together. You can simply fix that on and
Speaker 6: you'll get an our value. Off the top of my head,
Speaker 6: it might be our one point seven or something like that, right,
Speaker 6: But what will happen obviously is skirtings and scotias and
Speaker 6: door reveals. You'll have to extend those for the extra depth.
Speaker 6: So if you're prepared to lose some space in the garret,
Speaker 6: I know it's not much, but you will lose a
Speaker 6: little bit. Okay, that's one solution where that particular type
Speaker 6: of insulation works really well. Is typically all if you're
Speaker 6: going to retrofit insulation into an existing wall into as
Speaker 6: in remove lining, add insulation, that actually triggers the requirement
Speaker 6: for building consent in this instance here, because you're adding
Speaker 6: insulation to the face of it, you don't need to
Speaker 6: worry about building consent, so it's a completely compliant way
Speaker 6: of retrofiting insulation in your situation. Technically that wall between
Speaker 6: the lounge and the garage is the exterior wall of
Speaker 6: your building. I know it's completely interior, but in terms
Speaker 6: of how the building's designed, it's effectively an outside wall.
Speaker 6: So I wonder whether no, actually, I actually think in
Speaker 6: that case, you could remove the lining insulation into the
Speaker 6: wall and redo the lining without needing building consent because
Speaker 6: you're not worried about moisture into the wall because the
Speaker 6: wall is inside the building envelope.
Speaker 11: It's correct.
Speaker 6: You know, Look, I I suppose it's quite disruptive for
Speaker 6: the lounge if you had to pull all the lining off,
Speaker 6: install insulation into there, and then reline, you'll have to
Speaker 6: take skirtings off, Scotia's off, the dust and disruption of
Speaker 6: pulling the wall lining off. Then you've got to put
Speaker 6: a new lining on, stop painting and sign So you know,
Speaker 6: that's quite disruptive to the lounge. So if you worked
Speaker 6: on the other side, what about taking the lining off
Speaker 6: on the garage side, where it's probably easier to get to.
Speaker 11: You know, That's what I was a moving to.
Speaker 6: Okay, Sorry, yes, okay, so work from the lounge side,
Speaker 6: work from the garage side.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, it's got I'm guessing it's probably tempered hard boards.
Speaker 5: And then there's some building paper and so I cut
Speaker 5: a panel away and have a look, and I could
Speaker 5: see there's no insulation, and yeah, so I figured, do
Speaker 5: I strip that or do I just put something over
Speaker 5: the top like that kingspan.
Speaker 12: I think you said, yeah, look, I.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking when you do the numbers, you'd probably find
Speaker 6: that just stripping the lining off from the garage side
Speaker 6: of that wall, adding insulation and redoing the lining. And
Speaker 6: because it's a garage, you know, you could put plasterboard
Speaker 6: up and stop and paint it. You could line it
Speaker 6: in plywood, for example, and then it's you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: like it's inside the garage. It's quite handy if you've
Speaker 6: got tryboard or something like that as you're lining, because
Speaker 6: then you can fix your hocks for your rakes and
Speaker 6: extension cords and you know that sort of thing. It's
Speaker 6: a good opportunity for a bit of an upgrade.
Speaker 11: Really Yeah, yeah, well you stole my very thoughts.
Speaker 6: Ah, okay, yeah, look I what do I do the
Speaker 6: other day? I used triboard tongue in groove right, which
Speaker 6: is a four hundred wide panel, So it's tongue and groove.
Speaker 6: So it's easy to install because once you cut it
Speaker 6: at two four or something like that, it's quite manageable
Speaker 6: on your own. And it's fifteen mil thick, so it's
Speaker 6: quite robust. You can screw hocks into it and all
Speaker 6: the rest of it and then just paint that great well.
Speaker 11: I can probably also if I do that, I can
Speaker 11: probably get a better rating of product than the wall
Speaker 11: as well.
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, yeah, ideally, And you know, it's an
Speaker 6: opportunity maybe to run a couple of extra you know,
Speaker 6: if you wanted to get an electrician to come and
Speaker 6: put an extra power point in, or run you know,
Speaker 6: like a Cat six cable to the TV on the
Speaker 6: other side, all of those sorts of things. So you know,
Speaker 6: there is an opportunity to do other work when you've
Speaker 6: got that wall exposed.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and it just happens to be the wall that
Speaker 11: where the aerial wire is and where the all the
Speaker 11: other electric components that come into the home come along
Speaker 11: that wall as well.
Speaker 6: And you know, when you think about nineteen seventies, houses
Speaker 6: typically like in a you'll have one power point, right
Speaker 6: and you know modern living, we probably need a few
Speaker 6: more than that, so it's an opportunity to get the
Speaker 6: electrician in and to add a PowerPoint or you know,
Speaker 6: data excess and all those sorts of things. So yeah,
Speaker 6: and then you got a nice durable wall in the
Speaker 6: garage as well.
Speaker 11: Absolutely all right, my own space, I know what you mean.
Speaker 6: Oh fantastic. All right, buddy, all the best. You take
Speaker 6: care care of it. See there, it is just coming
Speaker 6: up sixteen minutes after seven. If you'd like to join us, well,
Speaker 6: give us a call right now. Oh eight hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty. We're talking all things building construction, lots
Speaker 6: and lots of texts with regard to the sort of
Speaker 6: press release that came out. And I think Chris Pink
Speaker 6: did a couple of interviews, so I will reach out
Speaker 6: this week and see whether we can. We had Chris
Speaker 6: Pink came in. It was very good of them, I thought.
Speaker 6: So I approached through his office the minister, to go, hey,
Speaker 6: look I'd like to do an interview. You're the incoming
Speaker 6: construction and building minister. And he said, oh, look, I'll
Speaker 6: come into zid B during the week, we can record
Speaker 6: the interview and replay it on the Sunday. So I'll
Speaker 6: reach out again and get that underway, because there's a
Speaker 6: lot in that particular press release of what we think
Speaker 6: might come up. A couple of people have sent some texts,
Speaker 6: especially the comment around some builders being able to self certify.
Speaker 6: We'll unpack that a little bit later this morning. Oh,
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty give us a call. The
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Speaker 13: I have I have an old house like it's like
Speaker 13: from the nineteen fifties and there it's got like an
Speaker 13: iron up steel roof on top of it, and it's
Speaker 13: started with age of time like you, nobody can run away.
Speaker 11: From tom of it.
Speaker 7: Ultimate and set up.
Speaker 13: I'm thinking about it. How do I steal my roof paint?
Speaker 13: My roof paint is good, but what do you put
Speaker 13: on iron on middle roof. Roofing was kind of stew
Speaker 13: it like a tail, but mental anything like that. You
Speaker 13: can tape on your roof.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's one of those things that's become There's
Speaker 6: there's a lot of talk about it at the moment
Speaker 6: in terms of, you know, don't replace your roofs it,
Speaker 6: But it depends a little bit on what what the
Speaker 6: existing condition of the roofing is. Right, so, you know,
Speaker 6: like most things, it has.
Speaker 13: It's been my roof for twenty years, okay, so pretty dadd.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but look I've I've got a twenty year old
Speaker 6: roof too, and it's an okay condition, you know. So
Speaker 6: I think if if it's sound right, if there is
Speaker 6: solid yeah, there's there's not a lot of russ, there's
Speaker 6: you don't have issues with leaking and so on, and
Speaker 6: you're looking to protect that surface, then either a paint
Speaker 6: or a sealant over the top is a good option.
Speaker 6: It'll extend the life of the roof.
Speaker 13: I'm just sicking your advice. I'm thinking more sealant than
Speaker 13: than a lot's paint.
Speaker 6: Sure excuse me. Then it all comes down to preparation, right,
Speaker 6: So the contractor doing the work needs to ensure that
Speaker 6: y you want to do it yourself.
Speaker 12: A little lot cheaper.
Speaker 6: Yeah, true, there's obviously.
Speaker 12: From you have to go better.
Speaker 13: Say, if you do a job to once do it
Speaker 13: right a yep.
Speaker 6: Typically though these applications are sprayed on right.
Speaker 13: So now the kind of like kind of set up,
Speaker 13: I have no idea how to go better apart from
Speaker 13: that old number eight pin brush.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that that won't Yeah, I don't think you'll
Speaker 6: find a product that you could apply yourself that will
Speaker 6: give you that finish right?
Speaker 13: So do I have to go like commercial customer based
Speaker 13: voice to get some piss and do it? But I'm
Speaker 13: just thinking just yourself. You know, you've a tradesmen in
Speaker 13: that that what would you apply to to to a
Speaker 13: middle root to still a roof that's twenty years old?
Speaker 13: Not paint that looks like a ceiling kind of thing?
Speaker 12: You pissed me?
Speaker 11: What kind of product would you.
Speaker 14: Get to my tea?
Speaker 6: I probably I don't know that I would do it right.
Speaker 6: I think that if the roof needed a coating, I
Speaker 6: would stick with paint. If it was in poor condition,
Speaker 6: I would probably look at replacing it. So if your
Speaker 6: roof is sound you can certainly clean it, apply the
Speaker 6: right primer and then do two coats of roof paint.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously if you're working, if you're working on
Speaker 6: the roof, you've got to be really conscious around safety
Speaker 6: in terms of making sure that you don't end up
Speaker 6: skating off the roof and landing on the ground. And
Speaker 6: then I've painted plenty of roofs, so yeah, you can
Speaker 6: do it. In terms of a brush on application for
Speaker 6: a seiler, I'm not sure that there's anything that I
Speaker 6: could could actually honestly recommend to you. Good luck with
Speaker 6: that though, and please be safe. That's the key to
Speaker 6: it all. The best to you, Matt oh eight hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call just
Speaker 6: talking about safety. Actually, so the job that I was
Speaker 6: doing yesterday involved replacing the extractor fan in the ceiling.
Speaker 6: Had the electrician come round on Friday just to check
Speaker 6: that the existing three pin plug. So these days often
Speaker 6: when you buy a new extractor fan, they actually come
Speaker 6: with fixed wiring and a three pin plug on it.
Speaker 6: So up in the roof space in this instance, there
Speaker 6: was an existing it had been wirened by the previous
Speaker 6: electrician three pin plug and because I had the electrician
Speaker 6: do a little bit of other few other jobs around
Speaker 6: the house. I said, can you just go up and
Speaker 6: test that plug, just to make sure that it's safe.
Speaker 6: So they go up with a little meg tool. I'm
Speaker 6: sure there's a more technical phrase than that, but I'm
Speaker 6: a chippy not a sparky. Anyway, tested it, it's okay.
Speaker 6: Plug the new fan into it, replace the ducting. Made
Speaker 6: sure that deducting ran as straight and as level as
Speaker 6: I possibly could across the ceiling. So I had to
Speaker 6: sort of move insulation aside and clear a path and
Speaker 6: all the rest of it. And then with an old house,
Speaker 6: I needed to go out over the top plate obviously,
Speaker 6: and then drop then have a bend and go down
Speaker 6: through the safit. Now, on an old house like mine,
Speaker 6: the safit is twenty mili thick caraie so and also
Speaker 6: this is often the track. Actually, this is a good one.
Speaker 6: I've seen this so many times, and people involved in
Speaker 6: ventilation or extraction see this all the time as well.
Speaker 6: So off the fan is one hundred mill port and
Speaker 6: then you have to extend that out to one hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty millimeter diameter, so round semi rigiducting which I
Speaker 6: ran out. But then when you get to the junction
Speaker 6: between the roof coming down to the top plate and
Speaker 6: the safit, you know, you there's just not enough space, right,
Speaker 6: There's not one hundred and fifty mil clear there. So
Speaker 6: sometimes people just squish the ducting down. So they take
Speaker 6: the circle and they kind of squish it down a
Speaker 6: little bit, turn it into an oval, and kind of
Speaker 6: bend it through that corner and hope that the airflow
Speaker 6: still goes out through the grill to the exterior. I
Speaker 6: ended up getting some so simics to a range of ducting,
Speaker 6: so I transferred from one fifty round to I think
Speaker 6: it's two hundred by ninety rectangular section, so it's got
Speaker 6: a transfer like a little adapter from round to rectangular.
Speaker 6: Then I had a short section of the ninety by
Speaker 6: two hundred ducting, so it's a similar volume to what
Speaker 6: you get in fifty one fifty round and then a
Speaker 6: ninety degree bend and that tucked neatly over the top
Speaker 6: of the top plate through the safe. I did have
Speaker 6: to cut a little bit of the there's like a
Speaker 6: board that runs round over the top of the ceiling
Speaker 6: joists on an old house at the raft land on.
Speaker 6: I did notch a little section of that out. Didn't
Speaker 6: make a great deal of difference structurally, but I needed
Speaker 6: to notch that out, and I needed to cut through
Speaker 6: the Safit obviously not with a whole sort, because I'm
Speaker 6: creating a rectangle out let. The reason I say all
Speaker 6: of this partly is that it's that way of doing
Speaker 6: it is the optimal way to ensure that you don't
Speaker 6: have any restriction on the airflow from the extraction. That's
Speaker 6: really important. And then the other thing that I did
Speaker 6: is I've got a little mobile scaff and took the
Speaker 6: time to go lug that round from the other side
Speaker 6: of the house put it up so that when I
Speaker 6: was doing the work measuring out the cutout in the safe,
Speaker 6: then using the drill to sort of pre drill it,
Speaker 6: then getting the multi tool out and cutting it out
Speaker 6: and all the rest of it, I could do that
Speaker 6: while standing on a platform, which is way more comfortable
Speaker 6: than trying to do it off a ladder. I mean
Speaker 6: we're talking, I don't know, to be four and a
Speaker 6: half five meters from the ground to the underside of
Speaker 6: the safe and trying to do that off a ladder.
Speaker 6: It's not terribly pleasant to work on, certainly not as
Speaker 6: safe and it just takes more time. So for the
Speaker 6: time that it's spent that it took me to take
Speaker 6: a little mobile scaff around there, set it up and
Speaker 6: do all of that, he just way safer. Hence my
Speaker 6: comment to Matt, if you are going to go up
Speaker 6: there and do work on your own roof, make sure
Speaker 6: that you do it safely as well. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Remember after
Speaker 6: eight o'clock, we're going to have a bit of a
Speaker 6: chat with genuine called Hamish Firth. He's been on the
Speaker 6: show before. He is a planner, a good old fashioned
Speaker 6: town planner as he describes himself, and so we've had
Speaker 6: him on the show to chat about boundaries and planning
Speaker 6: regulations and these sorts of things. I'm just going to
Speaker 6: get them on for a bit of a chat around
Speaker 6: what happens when applications for developments get turned down. The
Speaker 6: reason for that is currently in the news. Bit of
Speaker 6: a story about a quite modern, quite environmentally friendly, quite
Speaker 6: innovative building that was going to go up on k
Speaker 6: Road crang Ah Happy Road in Auckland went to the
Speaker 6: planners at Auckland Council and it got turned down. The
Speaker 6: building is too big, it doesn't maybe fit with the heritage.
Speaker 6: Da da da da dah. Now he's been involved in
Speaker 6: that directly, so acknowledging his interest in it. But it's
Speaker 6: looking forward to that chat with him around what happens
Speaker 6: when these sorts of consents, the applications for resource consent
Speaker 6: for the planning of these buildings gets turned down. So
Speaker 6: we'll do that after eight o'clock. But right now it
Speaker 6: is your opportunity to talk all things building construction. Eight
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 1: Seven thirty met twice God was, but maybe called Pete
Speaker 1: first be you Orcaf the resident builder news talk sa'd be.
Speaker 6: I'm sure this is slightly tongue in cheek, this particular text.
Speaker 6: What are the legalities are putting razor wire on a
Speaker 6: fence to keep people out of our industrial workplace?
Speaker 8: Please, it's a very good question, to be fair.
Speaker 6: Look off the top of my head, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm just wondering because it's not uncommon to see, you know,
Speaker 6: security fences that are topped with either barbed wire or
Speaker 6: not a lot of razor wire. Around to be fair
Speaker 6: or spikes. I wonder where the part of it would be.
Speaker 6: It would clearly need to be within your own boundary.
Speaker 6: Maybe it needs to be of a certain height. I
Speaker 6: do know if someone knows the answer to that, that'd
Speaker 6: be awesome. Oh this is interesting too. Code of ethics.
Speaker 6: There's a code of ethics for LBPS. So someone's taxed through.
Speaker 6: How does the lb ethics deal with an LBP defaming
Speaker 6: other members? An LBP designer has called a new immigrant
Speaker 6: LBP a cowboy and not a real builder, without having
Speaker 6: any evidence of his prior knowledge or prior knowledge of
Speaker 6: this person. And the person who's said this is Canadian, apparently,
Speaker 6: I'm not sure you'd have to take it to the
Speaker 6: LBP committee and have them decide on that. We're talking
Speaker 6: about RFIs and council and delays. So where a lot
Speaker 6: of this comes from is the when you submit a
Speaker 6: building consent, the building consent authority typically that your local
Speaker 6: council has a statutory obligation to process your building consent
Speaker 6: within twenty days. Now, the number of building consents that
Speaker 6: actually get processed within twenty days is relatively small. The
Speaker 6: Minister Chris Penk has gone to mby who have gone
Speaker 6: to the bcas to go. You need to tell us
Speaker 6: exactly the data on how long it takes you to
Speaker 6: process consents and that gives them some insight. So in
Speaker 6: the press release from the Minister, I directed the building
Speaker 6: consent authorities to begin providing quarterly data last year to
Speaker 6: improve transparency, followed repeated following repeated complaints from trades people
Speaker 6: waiting far longer than the statutory twenty days for a consent.
Speaker 6: For the first time, we have a consistent nationwide data
Speaker 6: proving statutory time frames are masking problems. Councils are stopping
Speaker 6: the clock on applications by requesting further information, extending the
Speaker 6: processing times beyond the official twenty working day target. So
Speaker 6: council will issue an RFI, they'll stop the clock. When
Speaker 6: they get the information back, they will then start the clock.
Speaker 6: If they then have a further request, they'll stop the
Speaker 6: clock and start again. So you know, if it RFI
Speaker 6: comes into the design, they need to look at it,
Speaker 6: they need to prepare a response, they need to submit
Speaker 6: it and then the clocks you know that might take.
Speaker 6: That's an extra week, right, We're going to get the
Speaker 6: Minister in to talk about this, but I do wonder
Speaker 6: whether are they ignoring the fact that sometimes plans are
Speaker 6: incomplete and they can't be processed based on the information provided.
Speaker 6: And that's of no, that's not the processing office's fault.
Speaker 6: That's the person who submitted it's fault. But lots of
Speaker 6: texts on this. It's quite interesting. And also someone has
Speaker 6: text through what defines a trusted developer when it comes
Speaker 6: to self assurance? Where is the independence of a review?
Speaker 6: As it is a as we know there are some
Speaker 6: reputable developments that have also had leaks. If that is
Speaker 6: the case, Can I also provide a building inspection report
Speaker 6: about the house that I'm selling from Gerardo? You can
Speaker 6: probably do that, but I think people would be unwise
Speaker 6: to accept it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
Speaker 6: number to call Michael. Very good morning.
Speaker 15: How are you doing so?
Speaker 6: Yeah, very well?
Speaker 15: Say oh, well, I'm I'm waking up when you when
Speaker 15: you get past three quarters of a century quarter. But
Speaker 15: every morning is a bonus.
Speaker 6: Every morning is a delightful surprise.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Now I got a place that I think it's sixteenth
Speaker 15: or something. It's only a small, two bedroom place. I'm
Speaker 15: in Mongry and had hope and rail mesh fence all
Speaker 15: the way around it with a moan strip.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 15: And and I was the last house on the street.
Speaker 15: And they put another street down down, and the oh
Speaker 15: that's all been done quite a little while ago. Now
Speaker 15: when they did, Dad had got destroyed. And then Housing Corp.
Speaker 15: Brought the property next door to me and they they
Speaker 15: destroyed that, and they put another wooden fence up. Yes,
Speaker 15: and they never replaced the moon strip. So I rang
Speaker 15: them up and I got hold of some woman and
Speaker 15: she says, yes, yes, yeah, you know, carried on. She
Speaker 15: she was quite pleasant, and we'll send somebody around o
Speaker 15: a look. And I was still my own lawns at
Speaker 15: the time. So I waited about two weeks. I had
Speaker 15: heard back. I said, oh, well, I ring up again
Speaker 15: and I, oh, she's not here anymore. And I got
Speaker 15: some other woman and I said to her, well, she
Speaker 15: went absolutely so she went berserk. She just yelled and screamed.
Speaker 6: And what this is an official working for a government department.
Speaker 15: Carried carried on like a bloody idiot.
Speaker 6: You know, And I just you know this, I am okay, okay,
Speaker 6: we get the picture.
Speaker 15: So well, you know, trying to get cooperation out of
Speaker 15: people at times.
Speaker 6: Is your concern that they haven't replaced the mowing strip.
Speaker 15: It's too late now, Yeah, I'm just saying someone I'm
Speaker 15: trying to deal with people. Oh, you know with government,
Speaker 15: you know, with thing to date.
Speaker 6: Look, we would all expect that someone working for a
Speaker 6: government department undertakes their work professionally and with a certain
Speaker 6: sort of courtesy. So if your encounter has been that
Speaker 6: they haven't been professional, I can understand the frustration there.
Speaker 6: I suspect that in replacing the fence, they're unlikely to
Speaker 6: give you back the mowing strip. It's a bit of
Speaker 6: a I mean, I think they're actually a great idea
Speaker 6: to do, but they are when you're doing fencing, they
Speaker 6: are quite a lot of extra work to go. You know,
Speaker 6: excavate it down, box up both sides, pour the concrete,
Speaker 6: et cetera, strip the boxing, redo the grass around. So
Speaker 6: it's not surprising you don't see them as much as
Speaker 6: you used to. But yeah, they are a great idea.
Speaker 6: It's just I'm kind of not surprised that they haven't
Speaker 6: done it unfortunately. Thanks very much for you call all
Speaker 6: the best. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the
Speaker 6: number John Good morning morning. Hey, how you doing good?
Speaker 7: Thanks?
Speaker 12: Look, I just have a concern, you know with the
Speaker 12: council's consenting. Recently it was requirement to get a fire
Speaker 12: engineers been poured on a commercial building. Yes, which Julie
Speaker 12: dad a seven brand for engineers report submit that the
Speaker 12: council the next request for more information come back and
Speaker 12: all the answers were in the report of they hadn't
Speaker 12: read it.
Speaker 8: So I.
Speaker 12: Highlighted everything down, got it approached by the processor. But
Speaker 12: why why are councils academics overriding firing engineers who are
Speaker 12: professional if they wanted that information and they override it.
Speaker 12: What qualifications people and the council have and or what
Speaker 12: what qualifications does a processing Yeah, person and the council
Speaker 12: needs to process, you know, the complicated regulations where up
Speaker 12: agains now put that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I understand where you're coming from. I think
Speaker 6: it is unfair to you know, like there's a whole
Speaker 6: bunch of texts that are coming through here going Look,
Speaker 6: it's because the people that work at council don't know
Speaker 6: anything and they've never been on a building side, et cetera,
Speaker 6: et cetera. I've met a number of people at council
Speaker 6: who are extremely competent, right, and their professionals in their field,
Speaker 6: and they've got a tremendous amount of knowledge, now, whether
Speaker 6: that's a processing officer or an inspector on site and
Speaker 6: so on. At the same time, I've also encountered council
Speaker 6: officers who perhaps are learning and so they don't have
Speaker 6: all of the experience or knowledge that someone who's been
Speaker 6: around for a few more years has got, and that
Speaker 6: can be a bit frustrating. With regard to professional reports
Speaker 6: like that, I would tend to agree. I think that
Speaker 6: if you've gone to an independently and suitably qualified person
Speaker 6: got a professional report done that's specific to your building,
Speaker 6: you're relying on their experience to say and knowledge to go,
Speaker 6: this is now compliant. What you know the advice that
Speaker 6: we've given you, If you undertake this work, the building
Speaker 6: will be compliant. You're right. Why would counsel then go, well,
Speaker 6: hang on, no, We've we've got a problem with that work,
Speaker 6: Like what's their core competency versus the person that you've got.
Speaker 6: There's a similar frustration sometimes on building sites, where you know,
Speaker 6: if the work is of a certain scale, you might
Speaker 6: have your own structural engineer right who does the design
Speaker 6: and then will come to site and do the supervision.
Speaker 6: It's not uncommon. For example, if you're doing piles, or
Speaker 6: if you're doing particularly complicated reinforcing or some steel beams
Speaker 6: or something like that, the person who does the designs
Speaker 6: will send someone out to look at it on site,
Speaker 6: and then the council inspector will come along and go,
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about this, and you go, well, hang on,
Speaker 6: I've had my structural engineer has approved it. They're going
Speaker 6: to issue a producer statement. They are effectively taking responsibility
Speaker 6: for this part of the structure. Why do I even
Speaker 6: need you? You know what I mean? And that's a
Speaker 6: similar frustration.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 12: Look personally, I went, I went and actually spoke directly
Speaker 12: with the process and I had a really great response.
Speaker 12: It was very very helpful. In no disrespect, she's exception
Speaker 12: to the majority of them. But yeah, I know a
Speaker 12: guy you know who's built a twenty meter steel framed
Speaker 12: shit it's got a five meter study. He's got to
Speaker 12: put a fire alarm in there. How the hell do
Speaker 12: you burn down when you've got you know, they assume
Speaker 12: that he's going to do storage in there, and it's
Speaker 12: at the wording. I read the fire report, fire engineers report,
Speaker 12: and it's capable of storage. That's not what he applied for.
Speaker 12: He's got a five so he can put the horse
Speaker 12: up on the truck, right, networks on there.
Speaker 16: And now.
Speaker 6: I guess though, you know, to be fair to counsel
Speaker 6: and to be fair to to regulations that you don't
Speaker 6: know what someone's see this is the thing. You don't
Speaker 6: know what someone's got to do is going to do
Speaker 6: with that building in the future. So a safe precaution
Speaker 6: is to ensure that it's got a fire alarm in it.
Speaker 6: But then at the same time, you're not asking for
Speaker 6: consent for a building that what somebody else does with it.
Speaker 6: Somebody might turn it into apartments, right, but that's not
Speaker 6: the intent of the consent at the time that it
Speaker 6: was submitted. And why should counsel go, Well, we don't
Speaker 6: know what's going to happen in the future. Therefore we're
Speaker 6: going to get you to protect against potential change of
Speaker 6: use for the building. That's not their remit. Their remit
Speaker 6: is is it compliant right now for the intention that
Speaker 6: I want to have.
Speaker 12: The application specific Yeah, has assumed that he's going to
Speaker 12: do something else. Uh, that is that although I mean
Speaker 12: that allows.
Speaker 6: Just like just to be Devil's advocate for a minute.
Speaker 6: You know, if he's going to be doing maintenance, for example,
Speaker 6: on vehicles, so he needs the five meter stud so
Speaker 6: that he can put a vehicle on a hoist and
Speaker 6: lift it up. Then in that environment there's likely to
Speaker 6: be oils and lubricants and possibly flammable materials. So it's
Speaker 6: reasonable to say it probably should have a fire alarm
Speaker 6: in it. I mean, there will be things that are
Speaker 6: flammable that he will use while doing that maintenance work.
Speaker 12: But I would think he's got all the doors. He's
Speaker 12: got four roll of doors on the two excess doors
Speaker 12: which are just standard doors. You know, if that thing
Speaker 12: catches on fire, it's flamble stuff. Yeah, he's got plenty
Speaker 12: of exits. The was designed for those in mine. It's
Speaker 12: got any of air movements yeah.
Speaker 6: Like yeah, yeah. I mean look still still buildings can collect.
Speaker 12: In a commercial building. Look at loacers Lodge. Did the
Speaker 12: council inspect that, No they didn't. How many the fine
Speaker 12: youths occur and residential where people are sleeping, and that's
Speaker 12: that's not a commercial where you're standing vertically, when you
Speaker 12: lower blowing, lie in horizontal and you are affixiated before
Speaker 12: you sit the death Yeah, different risks. I just I
Speaker 12: just think it's so it's so expense to do anything
Speaker 12: now it's not possible.
Speaker 6: But again, if I'm going back to the press release
Speaker 6: from the minister, one of the things that is key
Speaker 6: is that, and this is quoting directly from the press release,
Speaker 6: adopt a more balanced approach to liability for defective work.
Speaker 6: Now that's not quite what you and I are talking about,
Speaker 6: but you know, one of the things right now in
Speaker 6: terms of building consents and council signing off on buildings
Speaker 6: is that with joint and several liability, council end up
Speaker 6: in some cases being on the hook for all of
Speaker 6: the defective work because everyone else has gone right. So
Speaker 6: in that case, you know, maybe that's another part of this.
Speaker 6: And potentially what you're saying as well is that you know,
Speaker 6: if someone has built a building and it's for their
Speaker 6: use and it's not a public building, it's a private building,
Speaker 6: and they're prepared to take the risk, then maybe the
Speaker 6: risks should sit with them, Whereas when council get involved
Speaker 6: and they're looking after rate payers, money because if it
Speaker 6: goes wrong, they're paying out rate payers money. That's where
Speaker 6: they become much more risk averse. And as a ratepayer,
Speaker 6: we kind of want them to be, don't we. Oh
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? So, yeah, we don't.
Speaker 12: People's fact and.
Speaker 6: In the same way, you know, maybe it's not unreasonable.
Speaker 6: We've just had a quick text on this as well,
Speaker 6: you know, like we've got fire alarms, fire exit signs
Speaker 6: and firefighting gear in our workshop. It's just health and safety.
Speaker 6: I would want them as well in a workshop.
Speaker 12: Well, Peter, you know, you you have a fire alarm
Speaker 12: and things, and then you've got a fire extincture and
Speaker 12: have a look above the fire alarm the core point
Speaker 12: and it says in case of fire ring one on
Speaker 12: one and get out of the building, the stay what's
Speaker 12: the fire extinguish are doing beside it? What's that telling
Speaker 12: you do? Pick it up and try and put the
Speaker 12: fire round. Now, those fire extinguishs have been taken out
Speaker 12: of commercial.
Speaker 6: In the same way they don't often put fire hoses
Speaker 6: into commercial buildings anymore either.
Speaker 12: Not require you know, because basically people's lives are at
Speaker 12: resk if you haven't person to operate the fire extinguish.
Speaker 12: They don't pull print out been Yeah, the fire in
Speaker 12: three minutes and that that regulation has and if you
Speaker 12: look at the fire people that fire sell fire extinguice
Speaker 12: is look at their report. It's a recommendation, it's not
Speaker 12: a requirement.
Speaker 6: Oh on, some really good points that you raise, and
Speaker 6: will continue to discuss this interesting though, Like I was
Speaker 6: involved in a no I'm aware of situation recently where
Speaker 6: there was the beginning of a fire and someone because
Speaker 6: they it's an older building and it still had a
Speaker 6: fire hose, they were able to put it out, and
Speaker 6: I guess without it then they would have had to wait.
Speaker 6: They'd already notified the brigade and they were on their way,
Speaker 6: but they were able to extinguish most of the fire
Speaker 6: before the firebreak gaate came. But that's unlo likely now
Speaker 6: in a modern building where I don't think they typically
Speaker 6: install fire hoses. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 6: think that's pretty much where we're heading. Nine minutes away
Speaker 6: from it. We'll be back with thee in just a moment.
Speaker 1: Doing of the house extorting the guard and asked feet
Speaker 1: for a hand. The resident builder with Peter wolfcap call
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred us dogs V.
Speaker 6: I'm just reading this text weld and guess this is
Speaker 6: someone talking about sort of workshops and having extinguishers and
Speaker 6: the potential for sort of flammable activity all materials. Weld
Speaker 6: will guess cut and use an extinguisher once or twice
Speaker 6: a year. Yes, we've also got extinguishers in our chemical shed.
Speaker 6: There's no way we're going in there. Even the Fire
Speaker 6: Brigade has a policy to let chemical sheds burn and
Speaker 6: maintain a safe zone. Makes sense to me, does. I
Speaker 6: had a job long time ago, like almost forty years ago,
Speaker 6: working as a laborer basically in an engineering shop, and
Speaker 6: one of the jobs we were doing was on top
Speaker 6: of a machine welding on an oil reservoir, And my
Speaker 6: job was to stand there with the fire extinguisher so
Speaker 6: that when the guy who's doing the welding the flames
Speaker 6: got too high, I would put them out and then
Speaker 6: he could carry on welding. Anyway, it was a long
Speaker 6: time ago. Don't text me and tell me it's unsafe.
Speaker 6: I know that it was a long time ago. Ian greetings, Oh,
Speaker 6: good morning.
Speaker 14: He interesting discussion. This morning's been good to listen to this.
Speaker 14: A bit of a change of subject. We've just bought
Speaker 14: an old bungalow and it's got a dechromatic roof tile
Speaker 14: on Y had it tested. It's got a bit of
Speaker 14: a spestos in it, and we're just considering what whether
Speaker 14: we replace the roof with new roofing or go for
Speaker 14: one of the rubberized paint systems that seemed.
Speaker 16: To be around at the minute.
Speaker 14: And we're just interested in your opinion on I'm sure,
Speaker 14: I tell.
Speaker 6: You what what I'm sorry, what I realized is we're
Speaker 6: going to run into the news in about twenty seconds.
Speaker 6: Can I ask you to hold We'll come back straight
Speaker 6: after the news because there's I guess there's a couple
Speaker 6: of alternatives that we can discuss, So just stay with
Speaker 6: us and we'll come back straight after news, Sport and weather,
Speaker 6: which is on the way in the next hour as well.
Speaker 6: We're going to have a bit of a chat with
Speaker 6: a town planner around you know what happens when designs
Speaker 6: and buildings get turned down. That's a bit topical at
Speaker 6: the moment, so we'll do that after the news at eight.
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Speaker 6: Eighty the resident filder on News Dogs, your News Talks.
Speaker 6: There'd be Pete wolf Camp with you this morning. Couple
Speaker 6: of things coming up. We're going to have a bit
Speaker 6: of a chat with Hamish first. Now, Hamish is a
Speaker 6: town planner. He's been on the show a couple of
Speaker 6: times because of his expertise around resource consents and planning
Speaker 6: issues and that sort of thing which packed on most
Speaker 6: of us. And I caught that story the other day
Speaker 6: about a new development in k Road being turned down
Speaker 6: by the sort of planning commission for Auckland Council because
Speaker 6: it didn't meet the requirements right in terms of heritage
Speaker 6: or height or appearance and da da da da da.
Speaker 6: So I just wanted to touch base with him to
Speaker 6: give some general guidelines around that. So we'll do that shortly.
Speaker 6: But just before the news we were talking with Ian
Speaker 6: about his dechromastic roof. Has Ian still there was He gone,
Speaker 6: he's gone, oh okay, not to worry. So Ian was
Speaker 6: talking about dechromastic roof, which is probably forty odd years old.
Speaker 6: It's got some asbestos in it which makes removal quite expensive.
Speaker 6: The last one that I have some awareness of sort
Speaker 6: of the removal of the roof went from maybe one
Speaker 6: thousand dollars for just the labor and tip f to
Speaker 6: I think it was about sixteen thousand dollars as an
Speaker 6: exercise to remove reasonably sized roof quite high obviously, but
Speaker 6: because it had asbestos and needed to go to a
Speaker 6: special tip site, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, it
Speaker 6: became expensive. So in this case, I'm just oh Ian's
Speaker 6: back with us, which is awesome. Ian greetings, Oh, good morning,
Speaker 6: good morning, Petter. Hey, good on you for testing the roof.
Speaker 6: So it's a dechroymastic type roof, so a metal tile
Speaker 6: with like the chip sprayed onto it. It's obviously getting
Speaker 6: to the end of its life. You've had it tested.
Speaker 6: It's got some asbestos in it, which means, as I
Speaker 6: just mentioned that, the you know, the cost of removal
Speaker 6: goes from maybe a thousand bucks to fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 6: thousand dollars, so it's really tempted to leave it there.
Speaker 6: The biggest issue that I often have with them is
Speaker 6: that typically what happens is when people walk around on
Speaker 6: those types of roofs, they don't know where to stand
Speaker 6: and so they end up walking in the middle of
Speaker 6: the tile. They crease the ridge and the tile, and
Speaker 6: that causes it to shear right, to actually split, and
Speaker 6: there's not a lot that you can do about that.
Speaker 6: You can try and panel beat it from underneath and that,
Speaker 6: but you'll always have a tear in there, which case,
Speaker 6: if you were to coat it, you're relying on the
Speaker 6: coat and the coating to seal that gap. And I
Speaker 6: think that's a little bit of an ask. If the
Speaker 6: roof is actually in reasonable condition, i e. Not that
Speaker 6: many people have stomped around up there, then yeah, potentially
Speaker 6: coating it will give you more time. You know, you
Speaker 6: might get another ten or fifteen years out of the
Speaker 6: roof if you give it a really good coating. But
Speaker 6: ultimately it probably needs replacement, and the replacement can often
Speaker 6: get a bit complex because the existing metal tile will
Speaker 6: be onto a baton, which is like a two B one,
Speaker 6: whereas if you were going to do Corrigoi dine or
Speaker 6: long run iron on there, you'll need to replace those
Speaker 6: battons with peerlins. You should be able to do it
Speaker 6: underschedule one of the Act, which means you don't necessarily
Speaker 6: need a consent for it. But you will need to
Speaker 6: strip the roof, strip some of the batons, relay the
Speaker 6: perlins that will lift the roof up, so you might
Speaker 6: have to change the facier and the spouting. You can
Speaker 6: see how this just gets bigger, bigger and bigger.
Speaker 16: That's right. Yeah, So we've had a couple of quotes
Speaker 16: and there's a huge difference in price. So yeah, it's
Speaker 16: quite a big roof. But so we've had pricing ranging
Speaker 16: from up to sixty thousand for a new roof and
Speaker 16: I'm not sure that that covers spouting and down types
Speaker 16: and faceboards and like that through to you know, maybe
Speaker 16: ten or fifteen grand for a new sort of quoting.
Speaker 16: So huge difference in price.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's massive, and you know that's a lot of
Speaker 6: money that you've got to find, right, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of money to inject into the property. I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: I just got a text from a contractor that I
Speaker 6: have worked with for a number of years and I
Speaker 6: hold in quite high regard to be fair, very experienced,
Speaker 6: very knowledgeable, and he just texts because we've been talking
Speaker 6: a little bit about roof ceiling on the program. He said, look,
Speaker 6: I've just been on a roof where the owners had
Speaker 6: it coated with a sealant and he said, it's just
Speaker 6: a sticky, gooey mess. Yes, this is months after the
Speaker 6: coating went on. Now, in this particular instance.
Speaker 16: Been made over the top of the old iron roof
Speaker 16: as well. Does that make any difference do we need
Speaker 16: to take No, it's.
Speaker 6: Not a great idea, to be fair, you get issues
Speaker 6: with condensation and fixings and it's not uncommon. In fact,
Speaker 6: what you might find is that, depending on the age
Speaker 6: of the house, your dechromatic roof for want of a
Speaker 6: better term, might actually be laid over the top of
Speaker 6: an old iron roof that on a number of occasions.
Speaker 16: That's what I believe is the case.
Speaker 6: Really, Okay, so you've actually got to take off two roofs. Yes.
Speaker 6: What it will mean though, is that there will be
Speaker 6: perlins underneath the old roof. So that whole issue around
Speaker 6: height might actually not be an issue in terms of
Speaker 6: where you probably need to replace the spouting, but you
Speaker 6: may not need to go through and adjust all of
Speaker 6: the faces and that sort of thing. So look, if
Speaker 6: you are going to go down the ceiling pathway, I
Speaker 6: think you need to be really really diligent around which contractor,
Speaker 6: how well they do the preparation, what the warranties are,
Speaker 6: what the you know, the state of the company is
Speaker 6: to ensure that they're not a bit of a fly
Speaker 6: by night. And then if you've satisfied yourself that it's
Speaker 6: going to be durable and give you another ten years,
Speaker 6: then by all means go for it. But you know
Speaker 6: it might also feel like you're just putting off the inevitable.
Speaker 6: All the best I leave you those options. Take care.
Speaker 6: We're going to take a short break. Then we're talking
Speaker 6: with Hamish Firth Planner in just a moment.
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Speaker 14: Oh.
Speaker 6: Now, A story that got my attention during the course
Speaker 6: of the week was an application by a developer, in
Speaker 6: this case Kirkpatrick Group. I think it was to do
Speaker 6: an eleven story building on a vacant lot on K
Speaker 6: Road towards the Pontsmbe Road end if you know Auckland.
Speaker 6: It was going to be an exemplar I guess of
Speaker 6: some really innovative and sustainable technology. So the building was
Speaker 6: eleven stories. It's I think it was going to be colt,
Speaker 6: so a timber structure eleven stories high. We don't have
Speaker 6: any of those in the country. It was going to
Speaker 6: get a Green Star rating, a six green star rating,
Speaker 6: so it's a sustainable, environmentally friendly building. And it was
Speaker 6: submitted to Auckland Council. That goes to a planning committee
Speaker 6: I think, and they've turned it down. So what happens
Speaker 6: in these situations? So a very good morning to you,
Speaker 6: Hamish Firth from Mount Holbson Group. Thanks for joining us again. Hamish,
Speaker 6: you've been with us a couple of times on the
Speaker 6: show because of your expert knowledge in this area. And
Speaker 6: I you and I know that you guys are acting
Speaker 6: for the developer in terms of preparing the submission, so
Speaker 6: we recognize your involvement with it. But in these cases,
Speaker 6: what happens when you know you've prepared an application goes
Speaker 6: to the planning Commission. Who's the planning commission? What's the process?
Speaker 6: What happens? Hamish?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's on. Pete, good morning. I'm the application was
Speaker 7: lodged yet, can you yeah, go for it?
Speaker 6: Hello?
Speaker 11: Can you hear me?
Speaker 7: Sorry? Pete?
Speaker 6: Hello, I've got you now, Hamish?
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 7: So the application was lodged in twenty twenty three and
Speaker 7: it was publicly notified, so that allowed members of the
Speaker 7: public to make submissions. Yes, And in late twenty twenty
Speaker 7: four a hearing was held where three independent commissioners who
Speaker 7: were appointed decided to decline the application.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 7: We have then appealed that to the Environment Court and
Speaker 7: we will have mediation. The first step of any environment
Speaker 7: called process is mediation, and we'll probably have that sometime
Speaker 7: in May. But if I can take you back a step,
Speaker 7: what if the existing rules of the old rules, which
Speaker 7: were probably established in the late nineties for the CBD,
Speaker 7: have been superseded in part in twenty twenty two when
Speaker 7: a planed change came out to allow for more intensive
Speaker 7: buildings in this area. This application relied very heavily on
Speaker 7: the new rules. Yes, three years later, those new rules
Speaker 7: are still not in place or in four because Council
Speaker 7: has not made a decision. So we were told that
Speaker 7: these rules would be in place in April twenty twenty four. Now,
Speaker 7: because the rules aren't in place effectively, we have to
Speaker 7: go back and use the old rules, which are now
Speaker 7: some twenty five thirty years old, and they become the
Speaker 7: default position. So the issue here is probably not that
Speaker 7: the building can be approved or should be approved, or
Speaker 7: will be approved under appeal. It's the fact that the
Speaker 7: baseline was the old rules and that the new rules
Speaker 7: haven't been given effect to and it's taken an awfree
Speaker 7: long time and are still not in effect.
Speaker 6: Right and yet obviously if the new rules were put before,
Speaker 6: created by Council, why haven't they adopted them if they
Speaker 6: wanted the rules to change to allow intensification in urban
Speaker 6: areas close to transport hubs. And I guess this Bishop
Speaker 6: as Minister, has been quite vocal and quite blunt in
Speaker 6: his assessment, calling this sort of thing insanity, given that
Speaker 6: what we're after is intensification in the city near transport hubs.
Speaker 6: And Auckland's just spent almost five billion dollars creating a
Speaker 6: rail link and now we can't have tall buildings near it.
Speaker 7: So I've heard Minister Seymour, I've heard Minister Jones, and
Speaker 7: I've heard Minister Bishop pontificate and rattle their change about
Speaker 7: how these things are inappropriate. What Council does is it
Speaker 7: goes back to the Bible and it says, here's the
Speaker 7: process we have to follow. So until the process is changed,
Speaker 7: Council follow the letter of the law. And that's what
Speaker 7: they've done. And I think that this is tragically an
Speaker 7: example that is all over the country where our innovation,
Speaker 7: our progress is held back by the fact that the
Speaker 7: bureaucracy slows things down. I'm comfortable we make a judgment
Speaker 7: call on whether it's right against a new set of rules,
Speaker 7: But what we need is those rules to become operative
Speaker 7: or enforced much quicker. So I think we have to
Speaker 7: work backwards and say all of these processes to take
Speaker 7: no longer than one year, and we work backwards from
Speaker 7: hearing in one year's time, and then we make it
Speaker 7: more streamlined. So what you've got, as with Plan Change
Speaker 7: seventy eight is everybody's gone on hold because the new
Speaker 7: rules allow two or three or four times more development,
Speaker 7: and everybody's weighted and weighted and waited. So you've actually
Speaker 7: put economic development on hold through bureau but the slowness
Speaker 7: of the bureaucratic process.
Speaker 6: So just to be really clear on this, So in
Speaker 6: this case we're talking about Auckland councils specifically. So Auckland
Speaker 6: Council looking to the future goes, we're going to change
Speaker 6: planning regulations because we want more intensification in the right
Speaker 6: areas and that's often related to transport and amenity. So
Speaker 6: they want it, so they set out a new set
Speaker 6: of plan changes or propose them, but then they don't
Speaker 6: adopt them. So what's the hold up between we want this,
Speaker 6: but we're not going to adopt it. What's the gap there?
Speaker 7: If I knew the answer to that, team, we'll have
Speaker 7: solved everything. And I think I came back to you.
Speaker 7: What we actually need is a change in legal regime
Speaker 7: at the government level which requires these processes to be
Speaker 7: quicker and to be adopted quicker or not adopted quicker.
Speaker 7: So we want we want certainty faster. And I think
Speaker 7: if this also correlates to a really good I few
Speaker 7: you guys have been discussing today, which is RFIs on
Speaker 7: building consents and if we just trip this all back.
Speaker 7: The complaints are that there's rafies that come on the
Speaker 7: nineteenth day, yes, and that there's what you might say
Speaker 7: subjective RFIs, so a different a building officer may have
Speaker 7: a different level of experience or a different interpretation. So
Speaker 7: the solution is, or if you break it really down,
Speaker 7: we want we don't mind if there's rfies. I think
Speaker 7: it's really important that plans are drawn correctly following a
Speaker 7: process through. So what we're asking for is RFI is
Speaker 7: to be made within say five work days, and need
Speaker 7: to be a consistency in approach, and I think the
Speaker 7: only way we're going to get that, and Pete, we
Speaker 7: have touched on this before is technology. So plans are scanned,
Speaker 7: a computer program reads them, and the same decision will
Speaker 7: pop out every time. You'll always have the humans. There
Speaker 7: is the backstop or the final check. So you're not
Speaker 7: losing jobs, you're just speeding up the process and making
Speaker 7: it more consistent. It's the same thing with this RAMA processes.
Speaker 14: Recently up north.
Speaker 7: You may be aware in Kitty Kitty a public boat
Speaker 7: ramp has also been declined because so for the public good,
Speaker 7: because the necessary legislation has not been changed to allow
Speaker 7: these things to happen in a much easier way. And
Speaker 7: so I think what we need to do is we
Speaker 7: need to look at these things much more careful. And
Speaker 7: so it's the legal process at the top of the
Speaker 7: tree which are forcing the local government's hands to decline.
Speaker 6: And when you say the legal pro is at the
Speaker 6: top of the tree, this is effectively government as a
Speaker 6: nationwide government policies that are not changing. That's where it
Speaker 6: is being held out.
Speaker 7: To make plan you're allowed to make plan changes and
Speaker 7: resource consents, and the RAMA or the planning legislation directs
Speaker 7: how they're made. So if you want to allow boat
Speaker 7: remps and eleven meter eleven story buildings are massed in
Speaker 7: the buildings very limit of buildings to go ahead, you
Speaker 7: need to have processes within the RIMA that allow council
Speaker 7: to flexibilities and the speed in which to make changes
Speaker 7: are appropriate changes.
Speaker 6: Just in terms of this particular building, you know, concerns
Speaker 6: around heritage. Again, you know, I can't see it, and
Speaker 6: I'm all for heritage, right but given that there was
Speaker 6: well there's nothing there right now? What was there was
Speaker 6: not of any particular charm. Yes, it's in the heritage zone.
Speaker 6: I love k Road and in fact, I think it's
Speaker 6: much upgraded from what it used to be. But is
Speaker 6: this building in the location that it is kind of
Speaker 6: at the end of the strip. I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 6: feel like it's going to impinge on heritage in any
Speaker 6: significant way. But then, you know, I'm saying that as
Speaker 6: a chippee and a local res or a resident in
Speaker 6: a sense.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I find that what's really important context Across
Speaker 7: the road from US is an enormous mobile petrol station
Speaker 7: with a very large, flat, empty four court. Behind that
Speaker 7: is a watercre reservoir would probably be eight to ten
Speaker 7: meters high and is a solid concrete mass. On the
Speaker 7: other side of the road is another vacant site used
Speaker 7: by Wilson's for parking and a couple of digital billboards.
Speaker 7: Our site is vacant with hoardings, and the site beside
Speaker 7: us is a building with metal screens and billboards on it,
Speaker 7: So contextually there's not a lot of heritage. However, we're
Speaker 7: in the K Road Heritage precinct. So what the client
Speaker 7: did not a developer, an investor, long term investor holds
Speaker 7: property and has held property since thennineteen sixties. Nothing ever
Speaker 7: gets sold, and so they are not doing this in
Speaker 7: a speculative way. They chose probably the architect at the
Speaker 7: top of the tree fear and hate. They gave them
Speaker 7: a solid brief that had to recognize and respect the
Speaker 7: heritage character. If you go anywhere in the world, you
Speaker 7: will see a modern interpretation of a building wedged between
Speaker 7: heritage buildings at times, which actually enhances the other heritage
Speaker 7: buildings by highlighting them through the contrast of difference. So
Speaker 7: if you look at their fine details of this building,
Speaker 7: the line, the verticals, the horizontals that have all been
Speaker 7: taken from Ques from the buildings along k Road. The
Speaker 7: proportions the window sizes that there is such a depth
Speaker 7: of detail that whilst it may not appear to be
Speaker 7: solid masonry and little tiny windows, it more than more
Speaker 7: than reflects a heritage and respect and also will highlight
Speaker 7: any other building in the nearby area and its heritage status.
Speaker 6: And to be fair, if you wander a kilometer down
Speaker 6: Ponsby Road almost to the Franklin Road intersection there frank
Speaker 6: Richmond Road, you know there's a redevelopment on that corner
Speaker 6: with the old building and then it's wrapped around by
Speaker 6: new But it's one of my favorite buildings in Ponsby Road.
Speaker 7: You get the right architect and you can do a
Speaker 7: wonderful job. And the architect has done a brilliant job
Speaker 7: here to respect the herod aqualities of the heritage in area.
Speaker 6: So where do you think this? So it's in the paper.
Speaker 6: It's suggested that now that the RMA or the resource
Speaker 6: consent has been declined by the Planning Commissioners, it will
Speaker 6: go to the Environment Court and that'll be mediation.
Speaker 9: Is that what happened?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is, But what we really rely on or
Speaker 7: need is counsel to make a decision on Plan Change
Speaker 7: seventy eight for the CBD. Of all the submissions made
Speaker 7: on that plan change, this is the best place for growth,
Speaker 7: so let's get that out. The other process we've got
Speaker 7: to go through is what's called a possible fast track application,
Speaker 7: So we're investigating that right now. And that's another piece
Speaker 7: of legislation which speeds things up and gets you decisions,
Speaker 7: big decisions faster for regionally significant projects. This is one
Speaker 7: hundred million dollar project and what it does is you've
Speaker 7: built a five billion dollar city rail at karrang A
Speaker 7: Happy station is five hundred minutes from the site, so
Speaker 7: this will allow people to come in from all over
Speaker 7: West Auckland. Four five hundred thousand people stop there, walk
Speaker 7: or scooter up to this modern office building and get
Speaker 7: home again. This is why the CRL was constructed. So
Speaker 7: there is a real nexus between this building, the regeneration
Speaker 7: of this area, and in the station.
Speaker 6: Look, it's a great insight on please that we're able
Speaker 6: to have that discussion, and I recognize your direct involvement
Speaker 6: in it, but I think you've also presented it impartially
Speaker 6: and I really appreciate that we'll get you on because
Speaker 6: I've had so many planning questions, so I'll reach out
Speaker 6: for your expert advice again. Shortly, Hamish, thank you very
Speaker 6: much for your time. All the best, take care of
Speaker 6: you and news talk Seb. Let's jump into the garden
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