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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US Talks it by helping you get those DIY

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Speaker 1: projects done right. The Resident Fielder with Peter Wolfcamp call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighteen eighteen US Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, and even.

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Speaker 3: When a dog is too old to barn, and when

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Speaker 3: you're sitting at the table trying not to starve, sissor hole.

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Speaker 4: Even when we are ben gone, even when you're therellone

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Speaker 4: house sizzle hole, even when even when you go around

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Speaker 4: from the ones you love, your mom screams bording pains

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Speaker 4: being in fund.

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Speaker 2: Locals er when they're going leaving theirs, even.

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Speaker 5: When we'll be.

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Speaker 2: Even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and a very very good morning and welcome along

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Speaker 6: to the Resonant Builder on Sunday. You with me Peter

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Speaker 6: wolf Camp, Resident Builder, and we are talking all things

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Speaker 6: building and construction, lots and lots happening in that space

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Speaker 6: at the moment, and especially in terms of legislation. We'll

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Speaker 6: go into it a little bit more detail later on.

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Speaker 6: You know, change of government feels like it's a little

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Speaker 6: while ago now, lots and lots of talk about we're

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Speaker 6: going to make things more efficient, We're going to make

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Speaker 6: some changes, we're going to make it quicker, easier, faster,

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Speaker 6: to build houses more affordably, etc.

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Speaker 7: Etc.

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Speaker 6: And in fact, a couple of quite big announcements that

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Speaker 6: came out on Friday. So I've got the press releases

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Speaker 6: and we can have a look at some of that detail. Now,

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Speaker 6: maybe those things are actually of little importance to you.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps you're struggling along trying to get a job done

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Speaker 6: around the house, a practical type of job where maybe

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Speaker 6: you're trying to finish fixing some squeaky floorboards, or perhaps

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Speaker 6: you're looking to upgrade the extraction from your bathroom, which

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Speaker 6: is exactly what I'm only saying that because that was

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Speaker 6: my task last couple of days. The old ceiling fan

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Speaker 6: had finally given up the ghost. It wasn't terribly effective.

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Speaker 6: This is the extraction from the bathroom. It wasn't terribly effective.

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Speaker 6: To be blunt, I didn't do a great job installing

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Speaker 6: it in the first place. So I found a replacement

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Speaker 6: which was the same size, which is good. It had

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Speaker 6: a slightly different arrangement, which means I needed to redo

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Speaker 6: the ducting and I needed to redo the exit point

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Speaker 6: out of the building as well, so old house one

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Speaker 6: hundred and twenty odd years of dust up there. It

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Speaker 6: was hot yesterday. It was hot the day before as well,

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Speaker 6: so it was nice thirty eight degrees, nice brisk thirty

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Speaker 6: eight degrees up inside the roof space. And excuse me,

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Speaker 6: by the time you get out to the outside edge

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Speaker 6: there's not a lot of headroom there either. Anyway, it

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Speaker 6: got done and I was delighted with that. Albeit, yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 6: it was a bit dry and dusty up there, but

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Speaker 6: that's my job done. Yesterday, wrapped up at about I

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Speaker 6: don't know, five thirty quarter to six something like that,

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Speaker 6: just in time for dinner. So if you are working

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Speaker 6: or perhaps it's not going particularly well at all, and

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Speaker 6: you'd like to talk about it, this is the show

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Speaker 6: for you. So all things building, construction, regulations, the legal

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Speaker 6: side of it, what you can do, what you can't do,

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Speaker 6: where to go and find the correct answers. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I was at I had to go and pick up

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Speaker 6: some taps yesterday as well, went into Chesters Plumbing and

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Speaker 6: we got talking about tile showers. Tile showers seemingly are

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Speaker 6: a bit of a nightmare in terms of compliance. All

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Speaker 6: well and good when you're doing it from scratch, but

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Speaker 6: in terms of can you do a tile shower without

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Speaker 6: a building consent as sort of an alteration to an

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Speaker 6: need a consent for that. But in reading more about it,

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Speaker 6: I've found some information that goes well, actually, if it's

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Speaker 6: a certain type of tile shower, maybe you don't. We

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Speaker 6: could go into that detail as well. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 6: up just gone eleven minutes after six on. Actually it

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Speaker 6: was quite a pleasant Sunday morning, certainly, getting a little

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Speaker 6: Something like that's not too far away. So if you're

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Speaker 6: thinking about doing outside jobs, now is probably the time

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Speaker 6: get sorted out. We can talk about all things inside outside,

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Speaker 6: few days, or any other building construction related issues that

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Speaker 6: eighty is the number nine two nine two is the

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Speaker 6: text number. That's zbzb off your mobile phone. And if

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Speaker 6: you'd like to send me an email, you are absolutely welcome.

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Speaker 7: To do that.

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Speaker 6: It's peaked at Newstalks. It'd be dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 6: A little later on the show, a story that was

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Speaker 6: course of the week around an application by a developer,

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Speaker 6: Kirkpatrick Group and Auckland to develop a eleven story mix

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Speaker 6: of retail and commercial space so shops down below, offices

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Speaker 6: up above on a fairly prominent site on Auckland's K Road.

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Speaker 6: The pretty much the end of K Road near where

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Speaker 6: it meets was it New North no Great North Road?

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Speaker 8: And is it Great Norroad?

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Speaker 6: New North Road, Great North Road and Potsbury Road and

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Speaker 6: Newton Gully around that area there it's the old site

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Speaker 6: for those of you who might have had motorbikes in

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Speaker 6: the past. It's where the old Coleman Suzuki was up

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Speaker 6: on K Road and the developer had proposed an eleven

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Speaker 6: story building, which is not insignificant, but it had a

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Speaker 6: couple of unique features. It was going to be a

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Speaker 6: is cross laminated timber. It was going to have a

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Speaker 6: very high ecological rating, so it's a Green Star six

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Speaker 6: rated building. It's in an area where you know, we've

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Speaker 6: building a railway line that will encourage mass transit. It's

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Speaker 6: walking distance to the train station, these sorts of things,

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Speaker 6: and well it's a little bit of a walk, I

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Speaker 6: The building went into Auckland Council. It goes because it's

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Speaker 6: a notifiable building. It went to the planning committee. They

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Speaker 6: sought submissions from people and they ended up deciding that

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Speaker 6: it wasn't the appropriate type of building for that area.

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Speaker 6: There was concerns about its scale, about its appearance on

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Speaker 6: the skyline, et cetera, et cetera. So they've turned down

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Speaker 6: the article. It seems that Chris Bishop, member of Parliament,

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Speaker 6: RIMA Resource Management Act needs reform, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: I think a number of other people said this is

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Speaker 6: absurd and then out of the blue, someone involved in

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Speaker 6: it who's been on this show before, Hamish Firth, sent

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Speaker 6: me an email as well, going, hey, your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 6: We had some email correspondence. I thought, ah, let's chat

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Speaker 6: about it and just in general terms, what happens with

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Speaker 6: they get appointed to these roles and what happens when

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Speaker 6: they make a decision that perhaps you will be appealed

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Speaker 6: or needs to be appealed. That might be a little

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Speaker 6: bit subjective, but we can talk about that. So Hamish

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Speaker 6: Firth from Mount Holpson Group, who, as I say, happened

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Speaker 6: he's been on the show regularly as an expert, but

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Speaker 6: this particular case. So I'm not going to lobby for

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Speaker 6: sometimes it doesn't. And what do you do afterwards. So

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Speaker 6: we've been talking with Hamish about that after eight o'clock

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Speaker 6: this morning, but right now it is the perfect opportunity,

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Speaker 6: given that you're all up and about and thinking about

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Speaker 6: the jobs that you want to get done today. Either

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Speaker 6: like I say, under the house, in the house, on

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Speaker 6: me what you're up to, we'll talk about it. Oh,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 6: Call us now.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice God was, but maybe call Pete first, feed

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Speaker 1: your wolfgab the resident builder news.

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Speaker 6: To lines are open if you care to call, and

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Speaker 6: a trust that you will. Eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 6: eighty is that number to call. Quick text hey Pete,

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Speaker 6: enjoy the show. Unfortunately I can't ring because I'm busy milking.

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Speaker 6: I think this person is a regular contributor. I often

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Speaker 6: get the tagline busy milking, which is fair enough, wondering

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Speaker 6: about your thoughts on how to attack our house that

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Speaker 6: isn't level. The main issue is that there is very

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Speaker 6: little room between the floor and the ground. It has

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Speaker 6: been added on to at a later date. Whatever the

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Speaker 6: probably right, and you know typically if you can get

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Speaker 6: so too, because it's quite a process to repile a house. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: lugging in lots of what look like short sleepers. So

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Speaker 6: STIs building up piles underneath the house, jacking the house

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Speaker 6: digging a new hole where there might just have been.

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Speaker 6: In this case of it's totraal ones, they would have

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Speaker 6: They would have dug a small hole, pop the totra

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Speaker 6: post on top of it, and then trimmed it off

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Speaker 6: level with where they wanted the bearers to go. And

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Speaker 6: they come out, they kind of look like a rotten tooth,

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Speaker 6: you know. They're just like a V shaped where they've

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Speaker 6: rotted around the outside, and eventually they rot to the

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Speaker 6: point that the house starts to subside. So if you've

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Speaker 6: got those old toutraal matti piles like that, you'll need

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Speaker 6: to pull those out, dig down, require depth probably four

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Speaker 6: fifty to six hundred deep, hang a new tennelized pile there,

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Speaker 6: and then pump in concrete in there. Now, all of

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Speaker 6: hundred millimeters underneath the bearer. Anything less than that that

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Speaker 6: gets quite challenging. I suppose. The other option is you

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Speaker 6: piles and then drop back down, or the house ends

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Speaker 6: up being at a higher level. If there were lots

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Speaker 6: of existing piles and the movement was quite within let's

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Speaker 6: say one hundred millimeters, you can block and chock. I'm

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Speaker 6: sure there's a slightly more technical term than that, but

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Speaker 6: typically it just involves leveling the house and cutting little

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Speaker 6: in a way that means the house is still secured

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Speaker 6: to the piles. And that's basically it. You can chock

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Speaker 8: It should be a little bit.

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Speaker 6: More straightforward than that someone's text through. Anyway, Good morning, Pet,

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Speaker 8: And look at that.

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Speaker 6: During the course of the week, right your opportunity. I've

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Speaker 6: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty Call me out you doing on.

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Speaker 6: And News talk Z'B lines are open for you right

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Speaker 6: Councils are stopping the clock on applications by requesting additional information,

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Speaker 6: The complete data for twenty twenty four paints a stark picture.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I was going to say that's awesome because.

431
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Speaker 10: I know on their side, I haven't seen it, but

432
00:26:00,215 --> 00:26:02,975
Speaker 10: they've done something like plane it off or something and

433
00:26:02,975 --> 00:26:05,975
Speaker 10: then paint it. Oh yeah, I can I leave it

434
00:26:06,095 --> 00:26:07,815
Speaker 10: or that need to be painted? I like the way

435
00:26:07,855 --> 00:26:09,735
Speaker 10: it looks. I like the plain sort of gray color.

436
00:26:10,775 --> 00:26:12,375
Speaker 10: Is there a disadvantage to leaving it like that?

437
00:26:13,535 --> 00:26:15,855
Speaker 6: Not for something like a fence? Right? You know, if

438
00:26:15,895 --> 00:26:18,295
Speaker 6: it was a building and we're concerned about you know,

439
00:26:18,375 --> 00:26:21,455
Speaker 6: potentially moisture being absorbed into that and impacting on the

440
00:26:21,575 --> 00:26:24,615
Speaker 6: interior environment, and that sort of thing we'd have a

441
00:26:24,695 --> 00:26:27,055
Speaker 6: concern about it. But in terms of if you like

442
00:26:27,175 --> 00:26:30,895
Speaker 6: the look of it, it will change over time. So

443
00:26:31,295 --> 00:26:34,175
Speaker 6: one of the advantages to either painting it or sealing

444
00:26:34,255 --> 00:26:39,215
Speaker 6: it would be that it prevents basically mold growth, right

445
00:26:39,615 --> 00:26:42,655
Speaker 6: or moss and mildew and those sorts of things. Soft

446
00:26:43,695 --> 00:26:46,015
Speaker 6: A wall like that left on its own, over time

447
00:26:46,095 --> 00:26:52,095
Speaker 6: will darken and potentially you'll get basically like a it's

448
00:26:52,135 --> 00:26:56,335
Speaker 6: not quite a mold, that is really a bit of will.

449
00:26:57,135 --> 00:26:59,935
Speaker 6: But then, and in fact I was looking at I

450
00:27:00,095 --> 00:27:03,575
Speaker 6: did some concrete retaining walls as part of garden landscaping

451
00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:06,655
Speaker 6: at my own place about twenty odd year ys ago,

452
00:27:06,855 --> 00:27:09,815
Speaker 6: and we plastered them and I just leave them natural,

453
00:27:09,895 --> 00:27:11,815
Speaker 6: and it's a bit mottled and a bit this and

454
00:27:11,855 --> 00:27:13,815
Speaker 6: a bit that, and that's all part of the character.

455
00:27:13,975 --> 00:27:16,935
Speaker 6: So if you like that, it's great. If you wanted

456
00:27:16,975 --> 00:27:20,415
Speaker 6: to take sort of a medium approach to it, I

457
00:27:20,495 --> 00:27:23,415
Speaker 6: suspect what your neighbors have done if it's because it's

458
00:27:23,455 --> 00:27:27,095
Speaker 6: quite an architectural finish is you hone the surface of

459
00:27:27,175 --> 00:27:29,775
Speaker 6: the brick, So you use a grinder with a diamond

460
00:27:29,815 --> 00:27:33,135
Speaker 6: blade and you just hone the surface, so it makes

461
00:27:33,175 --> 00:27:37,175
Speaker 6: it slightly flat, but it also highlights the actual aggregates

462
00:27:37,255 --> 00:27:40,535
Speaker 6: that are in there, right, and then put a sealer

463
00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:42,655
Speaker 6: over the top of that. That's quite nice. I'm not

464
00:27:42,735 --> 00:27:45,375
Speaker 6: suggesting you need to do the honing. You're welcome to,

465
00:27:45,535 --> 00:27:48,295
Speaker 6: but you don't have to. But you could apply like

466
00:27:48,455 --> 00:27:52,495
Speaker 6: a clear sealer over it, which will just mean that

467
00:27:52,575 --> 00:27:55,055
Speaker 6: it sheds water a bit more and it will just

468
00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,615
Speaker 6: give a little bit of protection to the surface from

469
00:27:58,095 --> 00:27:59,095
Speaker 6: that organic growth.

470
00:27:59,495 --> 00:28:01,015
Speaker 10: If you want to do what you do when you

471
00:28:01,095 --> 00:28:02,935
Speaker 10: get to the ground level, Like, let's so you're painting,

472
00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:05,815
Speaker 10: painting down, down, down, and then it's sort of sand dirt,

473
00:28:07,135 --> 00:28:08,295
Speaker 10: do you know what I mean? How do you paint

474
00:28:08,415 --> 00:28:09,295
Speaker 10: up to that line?

475
00:28:11,215 --> 00:28:13,735
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I suppose I would just go along maybe

476
00:28:13,815 --> 00:28:17,015
Speaker 6: with a like the day before you wanted to seal

477
00:28:17,095 --> 00:28:19,375
Speaker 6: it or paint it, dig it out, just dig it

478
00:28:19,455 --> 00:28:22,055
Speaker 6: out a little bit, or rake it back and hose

479
00:28:22,175 --> 00:28:25,535
Speaker 6: that down. So because eventually that wall will come down,

480
00:28:25,695 --> 00:28:29,335
Speaker 6: and I would imagine today, is there a fairly wide

481
00:28:29,535 --> 00:28:32,295
Speaker 6: and significant footing that the block wall sits on.

482
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Speaker 10: I think so, because it's like a part retaining wall for.

483
00:28:37,695 --> 00:28:42,375
Speaker 6: Them, Like, oh okay, so yours is higher, so they've

484
00:28:42,495 --> 00:28:48,215
Speaker 6: excavated down. Yes, so yeah, can I ask then, I'm

485
00:28:48,495 --> 00:28:51,415
Speaker 6: curious about these things. If it's acts as a retaining

486
00:28:51,535 --> 00:28:54,815
Speaker 6: wall for their benefit, is the block wall on their

487
00:28:55,015 --> 00:28:59,175
Speaker 6: side of the boundary, I would have no idea.

488
00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:01,095
Speaker 10: I mean, I wasn't part of the surveying. They were

489
00:29:01,135 --> 00:29:02,695
Speaker 10: paying for it all, So I'm just happy to have

490
00:29:02,775 --> 00:29:04,295
Speaker 10: this great fense it's gone up.

491
00:29:04,455 --> 00:29:09,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, Because the reason I ask is that you know,

492
00:29:09,215 --> 00:29:12,255
Speaker 6: if you imagine the line which is your boundary between

493
00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:15,015
Speaker 6: you and your neighbor, because the wall acts as a

494
00:29:15,095 --> 00:29:18,575
Speaker 6: retaining wall for their benefit at the lower at some

495
00:29:18,815 --> 00:29:24,855
Speaker 6: sections of it, theoretically the entire wall should be on

496
00:29:25,095 --> 00:29:28,575
Speaker 6: their side of the boundary, So you know, if you

497
00:29:28,655 --> 00:29:31,775
Speaker 6: do a timber fence often will determine the boundary. We'll

498
00:29:31,815 --> 00:29:34,295
Speaker 6: put the post smack bang in the middle, and then

499
00:29:34,775 --> 00:29:39,015
Speaker 6: both people lose fifty sixty millimeters of their section to

500
00:29:39,135 --> 00:29:42,415
Speaker 6: get the fence in. But in this case here the

501
00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:46,095
Speaker 6: face that you see on your side I think should

502
00:29:46,175 --> 00:29:50,695
Speaker 6: be on their side of the actual boundary line.

503
00:29:51,735 --> 00:29:54,095
Speaker 10: It wouldn't surprise me if they have done that, because

504
00:29:54,615 --> 00:29:57,335
Speaker 10: the composts been right up against the old fence, yes,

505
00:29:57,535 --> 00:30:02,935
Speaker 10: and a now gap between that and the new sting. Wow, yeah, no,

506
00:30:03,055 --> 00:30:05,215
Speaker 10: I think yeah, I certainly don't feel like they've done

507
00:30:05,215 --> 00:30:08,735
Speaker 10: any wrong. But it's a great fence, so I'm happy again.

508
00:30:08,775 --> 00:30:14,095
Speaker 6: I'm also curious about these things. So where where it retains,

509
00:30:14,535 --> 00:30:17,935
Speaker 6: so where your property is higher than theirs. Did you

510
00:30:18,055 --> 00:30:19,935
Speaker 6: notice when they were doing it, whether they put any

511
00:30:20,055 --> 00:30:24,815
Speaker 6: drainage coil at the bottom, or you know there's scoria

512
00:30:25,175 --> 00:30:27,175
Speaker 6: or waterproofing against the back of the wall.

513
00:30:29,855 --> 00:30:32,135
Speaker 10: No, I didn't notice, to tell you the truth, Yeah,

514
00:30:32,175 --> 00:30:36,095
Speaker 10: I know it was. It was like filled with concrete almost.

515
00:30:36,735 --> 00:30:38,095
Speaker 6: The actual blocks themselves.

516
00:30:38,495 --> 00:30:41,095
Speaker 10: Yes, I feel like they had you know, sort of

517
00:30:42,015 --> 00:30:44,535
Speaker 10: lines up with concrete going down into the bricks.

518
00:30:44,735 --> 00:30:47,975
Speaker 6: Yes, that'll be right, yep. Yeah. Back in the day

519
00:30:48,095 --> 00:30:51,335
Speaker 6: we'd often just fill the cause that had the reinforcing

520
00:30:51,375 --> 00:30:57,375
Speaker 6: in it, but increasingly the you know, we just grout

521
00:30:57,575 --> 00:30:58,255
Speaker 6: all of the blocks.

522
00:30:58,335 --> 00:30:58,455
Speaker 3: Right.

523
00:30:58,575 --> 00:31:01,695
Speaker 6: So, look, I have to say, given that I know

524
00:31:02,135 --> 00:31:04,455
Speaker 6: kind of what the square meter rate for block work is,

525
00:31:05,575 --> 00:31:07,935
Speaker 6: did they ask again, you don't have to tell me,

526
00:31:08,055 --> 00:31:10,735
Speaker 6: but did they ask for a contribution from you for

527
00:31:10,855 --> 00:31:11,215
Speaker 6: the fence.

528
00:31:11,375 --> 00:31:15,735
Speaker 10: They contacted me, but they know my circumstances and they said, look,

529
00:31:15,735 --> 00:31:18,175
Speaker 10: we'd love it if you could but there's no expectation.

530
00:31:18,495 --> 00:31:20,175
Speaker 10: And I said, but I'd love to be able to

531
00:31:20,335 --> 00:31:22,935
Speaker 10: but no, but yeah, I understand it cost around thirty

532
00:31:22,975 --> 00:31:23,495
Speaker 10: five thousands.

533
00:31:23,655 --> 00:31:27,015
Speaker 6: I was going to say, I mean, and again, interestingly enough,

534
00:31:27,335 --> 00:31:30,775
Speaker 6: in terms of the Fencing Act, while they can enforce

535
00:31:30,895 --> 00:31:35,495
Speaker 6: a contribution from a neighbor or from you, it's only.

536
00:31:35,615 --> 00:31:37,095
Speaker 10: For a standard fence exactly.

537
00:31:37,415 --> 00:31:41,855
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, wow, I mean, hey, look what a great neighbor.

538
00:31:42,015 --> 00:31:44,135
Speaker 10: To be fair, Yeah, well I paid it the other

539
00:31:44,175 --> 00:31:46,935
Speaker 10: way I want when I had small children.

540
00:31:47,135 --> 00:31:49,015
Speaker 11: Yeah, there was a dangerous.

541
00:31:48,695 --> 00:31:52,295
Speaker 10: Dog that lived over a very low fence next to me,

542
00:31:52,495 --> 00:31:55,095
Speaker 10: and the landlord didn't want to make that sense higher

543
00:31:55,095 --> 00:31:57,535
Speaker 10: and I was very confirmed about the safety, so I

544
00:31:57,735 --> 00:32:05,335
Speaker 10: paid for the whole entire fens that time. So you know, yeah, yeah, anyway, Hey.

545
00:32:05,255 --> 00:32:06,255
Speaker 9: Thank you so much pleasure.

546
00:32:06,455 --> 00:32:09,655
Speaker 6: So look, there's not a definitive yes, you have to

547
00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:11,935
Speaker 6: if you wanted to protect it, you could put a

548
00:32:11,975 --> 00:32:12,855
Speaker 6: clear seala on it.

549
00:32:13,455 --> 00:32:15,735
Speaker 12: You can leave itush.

550
00:32:16,575 --> 00:32:17,255
Speaker 7: You might have to.

551
00:32:17,575 --> 00:32:20,575
Speaker 6: If you use a really fluffy roller, it will be

552
00:32:20,615 --> 00:32:23,535
Speaker 6: able to get into the grout lines because they're recessed slightly.

553
00:32:24,655 --> 00:32:27,575
Speaker 6: Or you can go through do those with a brush

554
00:32:27,655 --> 00:32:31,135
Speaker 6: first and then roll over the entire surface. But like

555
00:32:31,255 --> 00:32:34,535
Speaker 6: I did some clear sealer on a project on Wednesday,

556
00:32:35,375 --> 00:32:37,815
Speaker 6: and it's pretty easy to apply, just with a roller

557
00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:40,495
Speaker 6: and you put it on, you let it saturate. You

558
00:32:40,575 --> 00:32:42,135
Speaker 6: might give it a second code if you want to,

559
00:32:43,255 --> 00:32:46,095
Speaker 6: but yeah, it'll that'll just keep the weather off it

560
00:32:46,335 --> 00:32:49,455
Speaker 6: and stop it, you know, looking old quickly.

561
00:32:49,615 --> 00:32:51,255
Speaker 10: Or would you just brush it off first.

562
00:32:52,375 --> 00:32:54,495
Speaker 6: Yeah, just in terms of prepping it, because like at

563
00:32:54,575 --> 00:32:57,535
Speaker 6: this time of year, you could even even if you

564
00:32:57,575 --> 00:32:59,535
Speaker 6: don't have a water blast, even if you just gave it,

565
00:33:00,735 --> 00:33:03,375
Speaker 6: you know, use the hose directly on it, maybe a

566
00:33:03,455 --> 00:33:05,895
Speaker 6: soft broom to sort of scrub it down, let that

567
00:33:06,055 --> 00:33:08,415
Speaker 6: dry for a day, and then apply the seal of

568
00:33:08,455 --> 00:33:10,855
Speaker 6: the next day. That's that's enough preparation.

569
00:33:14,215 --> 00:33:15,375
Speaker 10: To ring because I get lots of.

570
00:33:15,735 --> 00:33:18,415
Speaker 6: Absolutely, hey, lovely to chat with you, all right, enjoy

571
00:33:18,495 --> 00:33:23,215
Speaker 6: that block wall. That's fantastic. Take care, Bob. I'm curious

572
00:33:23,255 --> 00:33:25,775
Speaker 6: about that because if if the wall is acting as

573
00:33:25,815 --> 00:33:30,655
Speaker 6: a retaining then it definitely needs to be on the

574
00:33:30,855 --> 00:33:34,375
Speaker 6: side of the boundary, and I think too all of

575
00:33:34,495 --> 00:33:37,415
Speaker 6: the foundations should be on their side of the boundary

576
00:33:37,935 --> 00:33:45,575
Speaker 6: as well, and ideally it should have some drainage behind

577
00:33:45,615 --> 00:33:50,495
Speaker 6: there as well. Some people are suggesting a couple of

578
00:33:50,575 --> 00:33:54,255
Speaker 6: clear seilers. I agree. Look, I think and you can

579
00:33:54,335 --> 00:33:57,175
Speaker 6: get them. You know, they don't look glossy, they absorb in,

580
00:33:57,255 --> 00:34:00,895
Speaker 6: they're almost a matte finish. But it will help just

581
00:34:01,135 --> 00:34:05,135
Speaker 6: keep you know, the inevitable organic growth that mold and

582
00:34:05,255 --> 00:34:08,815
Speaker 6: mildew that that rows on to expose surfaces at bay

583
00:34:08,935 --> 00:34:12,095
Speaker 6: for a little time. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

584
00:34:12,095 --> 00:34:14,055
Speaker 6: I'll take a short break, but if you've got a question,

585
00:34:14,135 --> 00:34:15,695
Speaker 6: you should call us now. We've got plenty of time.

586
00:34:15,975 --> 00:34:18,615
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

587
00:34:18,935 --> 00:34:21,575
Speaker 6: More than happy to take your comments. With regard to

588
00:34:23,535 --> 00:34:29,335
Speaker 6: the announcement from Chris Pink, the Housing and Construction Minister

589
00:34:30,535 --> 00:34:35,375
Speaker 6: Building and Construction rather Minister with regard to building consents,

590
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:38,455
Speaker 6: a couple of interesting texts coming in on that, including

591
00:34:38,495 --> 00:34:41,575
Speaker 6: this one. I think Pink is being disingenuous here. As

592
00:34:41,615 --> 00:34:45,335
Speaker 6: a former quantity server, the amount of time wasted chasing

593
00:34:45,455 --> 00:34:51,575
Speaker 6: up information missing information was infuriating. Yeah, I wonder whether

594
00:34:53,495 --> 00:34:57,215
Speaker 6: I wonder whether that potentially should have acknowledged the fact

595
00:34:57,255 --> 00:35:00,255
Speaker 6: that a certain number of consents that are submitted are

596
00:35:00,415 --> 00:35:05,775
Speaker 6: probably of poor quality and in order to execute their

597
00:35:05,855 --> 00:35:08,975
Speaker 6: duties appropriately, they need to go back and say to

598
00:35:09,055 --> 00:35:13,175
Speaker 6: the designer, hey, there's information missing here. You need to

599
00:35:13,215 --> 00:35:16,815
Speaker 6: provide more information. However, the story I was going to

600
00:35:16,895 --> 00:35:21,215
Speaker 6: tell you, so someone I know who was doing a

601
00:35:21,295 --> 00:35:26,055
Speaker 6: reasonably innovative build, right, it was, it's not a standard

602
00:35:26,415 --> 00:35:28,575
Speaker 6: go to three six o four and put a house

603
00:35:28,615 --> 00:35:34,135
Speaker 6: together type build ended up getting I think after the

604
00:35:34,255 --> 00:35:37,895
Speaker 6: first submission of their building consent plans something like a

605
00:35:39,055 --> 00:35:44,455
Speaker 6: ninety seven individual RFIs. And part of that would have

606
00:35:44,495 --> 00:35:50,015
Speaker 6: been because it was a complex and innovative build, and

607
00:35:50,615 --> 00:35:53,535
Speaker 6: there would have been features in that house that wouldn't

608
00:35:53,575 --> 00:35:56,455
Speaker 6: have been part of the standard building code, right, in

609
00:35:56,535 --> 00:36:00,055
Speaker 6: which case it's fair enough that the consenting or the

610
00:36:00,135 --> 00:36:02,775
Speaker 6: processing officer goes, hey, look, how's that going to work?

611
00:36:02,815 --> 00:36:07,295
Speaker 6: How's that going to work? However, and this is increasingly common,

612
00:36:07,575 --> 00:36:09,375
Speaker 6: one of the things that they will often ask for

613
00:36:09,575 --> 00:36:12,575
Speaker 6: is a maintenance schedule. So, yeah, you're going to use

614
00:36:12,655 --> 00:36:16,055
Speaker 6: this particular product or methodology, where's the maintenance schedule for it?

615
00:36:16,535 --> 00:36:19,935
Speaker 6: In this particular RFI. And I swear to you this

616
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:22,815
Speaker 6: is one hundred percent true. One of the RFIs that

617
00:36:22,975 --> 00:36:26,975
Speaker 6: came back was what is the maintenance schedule for the

618
00:36:27,215 --> 00:36:33,415
Speaker 6: gas inserted into the double glazed units. Have a bit

619
00:36:33,495 --> 00:36:35,775
Speaker 6: of a think on that. If you think about double

620
00:36:35,815 --> 00:36:38,415
Speaker 6: glazing and you know how double glazing goes together, and

621
00:36:38,655 --> 00:36:40,455
Speaker 6: these days, rather than just sort of air in it,

622
00:36:40,535 --> 00:36:44,855
Speaker 6: we're often inserting argone or other gases into that space.

623
00:36:45,735 --> 00:36:49,495
Speaker 6: And so the RFI from council was, how what's the

624
00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:53,615
Speaker 6: maintenance schedule for the gas inside the double glazed unit?

625
00:36:54,095 --> 00:36:55,935
Speaker 6: Ponder on that during the break. We'll come back in

626
00:36:55,975 --> 00:36:56,815
Speaker 6: a moment whether.

627
00:36:56,655 --> 00:36:59,455
Speaker 1: You're painting the ceiling, fixing with FEDS, or wondering how

628
00:36:59,495 --> 00:37:00,855
Speaker 1: to fix that hole in the wall.

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00:37:00,975 --> 00:37:05,735
Speaker 9: Give Peter wolf gabbercall on the resident build up on

630
00:37:05,855 --> 00:37:06,255
Speaker 9: you talk.

631
00:37:07,735 --> 00:37:11,215
Speaker 6: We're taking your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty

632
00:37:11,495 --> 00:37:14,695
Speaker 6: is the number to call. So and texts as well.

633
00:37:14,735 --> 00:37:17,415
Speaker 6: They're coming in. But I love the chat, So eight

634
00:37:17,535 --> 00:37:20,375
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty. If you want to talk about buildings,

635
00:37:20,415 --> 00:37:23,255
Speaker 6: about ceiling around you know, I mean, look, a lot

636
00:37:23,295 --> 00:37:25,735
Speaker 6: of it is around protecting what you've got right, So

637
00:37:26,455 --> 00:37:30,375
Speaker 6: you know, the maintenance that we often talk about is

638
00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:35,375
Speaker 6: I always tell a story about maintenance in terms of

639
00:37:35,575 --> 00:37:39,415
Speaker 6: I got a phone call from someone one time and

640
00:37:39,495 --> 00:37:43,015
Speaker 6: they said, oh, could you come around please, and we

641
00:37:43,215 --> 00:37:48,695
Speaker 6: need to replace the window, as in, replace the opening sash.

642
00:37:49,815 --> 00:37:52,895
Speaker 6: And what had happened is it was an upstairs window.

643
00:37:52,975 --> 00:37:56,055
Speaker 6: It was a simple, you know, two sash window with

644
00:37:56,135 --> 00:37:59,415
Speaker 6: a million in the middle. Both of them opened and

645
00:38:00,335 --> 00:38:05,575
Speaker 6: they had been left slightly open, and the wind caught

646
00:38:05,655 --> 00:38:09,135
Speaker 6: the sash, whipped it back against the building and pop

647
00:38:09,255 --> 00:38:14,815
Speaker 6: the hinges, and so the entire opening sash fell out,

648
00:38:15,175 --> 00:38:18,615
Speaker 6: crashed to the ground a story below, smashed into a

649
00:38:18,695 --> 00:38:21,615
Speaker 6: couple of pieces, and the glass was broken and so on.

650
00:38:21,775 --> 00:38:24,735
Speaker 6: So in order to repair that, I had to go

651
00:38:25,215 --> 00:38:28,375
Speaker 6: measure the opening size, go to the joiner, get a

652
00:38:28,455 --> 00:38:31,015
Speaker 6: new sash made, go to the glazier, get some new

653
00:38:31,095 --> 00:38:35,815
Speaker 6: glass made, put some scaffolding up, go up, replace the hinges,

654
00:38:36,775 --> 00:38:41,095
Speaker 6: fit the new sash, redo the hardware, get someone to

655
00:38:41,175 --> 00:38:43,175
Speaker 6: paint it. So all of that, you know, it's quite

656
00:38:43,215 --> 00:38:47,855
Speaker 6: a process. There's weeks involved in measuring, going to the joiner,

657
00:38:47,975 --> 00:38:50,495
Speaker 6: going to the glazier, getting the painter on site, putting

658
00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:53,135
Speaker 6: the scaffolding up, et cetera, et cetera. And in talking

659
00:38:53,215 --> 00:38:58,175
Speaker 6: to the homeowner later on, she said, well, I had

660
00:38:58,295 --> 00:39:02,015
Speaker 6: asked my husband if he could tighten the hinge because

661
00:39:02,055 --> 00:39:05,935
Speaker 6: it's been loose for about three months or something like that, right,

662
00:39:06,015 --> 00:39:08,935
Speaker 6: so you know, hinge gets a little bit loose, you

663
00:39:08,975 --> 00:39:11,495
Speaker 6: can see it flapping around, and then you don't get

664
00:39:11,695 --> 00:39:13,935
Speaker 6: that done. And look, we're all guilty of it. I've

665
00:39:13,935 --> 00:39:16,535
Speaker 6: got a thousand things that I need to do, so

666
00:39:16,655 --> 00:39:19,415
Speaker 6: I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but it's that

667
00:39:19,575 --> 00:39:23,135
Speaker 6: classic example of a little bit of maintenance delayed can

668
00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:25,695
Speaker 6: cause much bigger problems. So that's why we do maintenance.

669
00:39:26,255 --> 00:39:29,855
Speaker 6: Just quickly to answer the RFI story that I was

670
00:39:29,895 --> 00:39:33,655
Speaker 6: telling you just before. So the house was complicated, it

671
00:39:33,815 --> 00:39:37,175
Speaker 6: was unusual, It used a whole lot of building methodology

672
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:39,855
Speaker 6: that perhaps is not common and it's not found in

673
00:39:39,895 --> 00:39:43,335
Speaker 6: the building code, but it had an approved compliance pathway.

674
00:39:44,975 --> 00:39:49,135
Speaker 6: And so one of the RFIs was what's the maintenance

675
00:39:49,175 --> 00:39:51,695
Speaker 6: schedule for the gas in the double glazed units? Now,

676
00:39:51,735 --> 00:39:54,015
Speaker 6: if you know anything about double glazed units, they are

677
00:39:54,255 --> 00:39:57,135
Speaker 6: installed in the factory. Sometimes they put argon in there

678
00:39:57,135 --> 00:40:00,735
Speaker 6: because it's more effective, and that just sits inside the

679
00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:03,655
Speaker 6: double glazed unit, right, and the double glaze unit is sealed,

680
00:40:03,935 --> 00:40:09,495
Speaker 6: so there is no way back into the afterwards, I

681
00:40:09,575 --> 00:40:11,335
Speaker 6: mean apart from the fact that the person that I

682
00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:16,255
Speaker 6: know was flabbergasted that that was the question. They also

683
00:40:16,935 --> 00:40:20,055
Speaker 6: in their reply to the ninety seven RFIs they got

684
00:40:20,135 --> 00:40:24,375
Speaker 6: from council for their funky new build, they simply replied

685
00:40:24,415 --> 00:40:27,495
Speaker 6: to number whatever it was, seventy six or whatever, that

686
00:40:27,655 --> 00:40:30,935
Speaker 6: they would that it had a valve and they would

687
00:40:30,935 --> 00:40:33,895
Speaker 6: pump it up as required. And that was their response

688
00:40:33,975 --> 00:40:37,615
Speaker 6: to the RFI sufficient to say, I think the person

689
00:40:37,735 --> 00:40:39,935
Speaker 6: realized that that was a bit of a foolish question.

690
00:40:40,455 --> 00:40:42,495
Speaker 6: In the same way, look to be fair, I was

691
00:40:42,575 --> 00:40:46,375
Speaker 6: doing a code of Compliance application and one of the

692
00:40:46,575 --> 00:40:49,895
Speaker 6: RFIs that came back was, Hey, there's no detail about

693
00:40:49,935 --> 00:40:56,615
Speaker 6: subfloor ventilation. It was a concrete slab on grade, right,

694
00:40:56,935 --> 00:41:00,415
Speaker 6: So I don't need to provide information on ventilation to

695
00:41:00,495 --> 00:41:03,375
Speaker 6: the subfloor given that there is no subfloor.

696
00:41:04,615 --> 00:41:05,455
Speaker 8: So look at it.

697
00:41:05,575 --> 00:41:07,615
Speaker 6: You know, I want to be fair to counsel. But

698
00:41:07,695 --> 00:41:10,295
Speaker 6: at the same time, I think there is cases here

699
00:41:10,375 --> 00:41:14,335
Speaker 6: where where perhaps the processing officers are asking questions about

700
00:41:14,415 --> 00:41:17,175
Speaker 6: things that they should know, and then they're using the

701
00:41:17,335 --> 00:41:19,775
Speaker 6: RFI as a way of getting around that. Right, We're

702
00:41:19,775 --> 00:41:21,335
Speaker 6: going to talk about this a little bit more in

703
00:41:21,415 --> 00:41:23,975
Speaker 6: the next hour. Join us now, oh eight hundred eighty ten.

704
00:41:23,935 --> 00:41:28,935
Speaker 1: Eighty squeaky door or squeaky floor Get the right advice

705
00:41:29,015 --> 00:41:31,215
Speaker 1: from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder.

706
00:41:31,455 --> 00:41:35,535
Speaker 6: On News Talk SEDB, You and News Talk SEB. We're

707
00:41:35,535 --> 00:41:38,375
Speaker 6: talking all things building in construction. Welcome back to the show.

708
00:41:38,655 --> 00:41:41,775
Speaker 6: If you've got a question, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

709
00:41:42,015 --> 00:41:45,495
Speaker 6: is the number to call. Just before the news start

710
00:41:45,575 --> 00:41:48,535
Speaker 6: to talk a little bit about I guess press release

711
00:41:48,615 --> 00:41:52,375
Speaker 6: that came out from the Construction and Building Minister Chris

712
00:41:52,575 --> 00:41:57,575
Speaker 6: Penk on Friday, this is sort of I guess new

713
00:41:57,615 --> 00:42:01,495
Speaker 6: government comes in talks about wanting to make things more efficient,

714
00:42:01,695 --> 00:42:05,895
Speaker 6: wants to speed up the build process. There was lots

715
00:42:05,935 --> 00:42:08,095
Speaker 6: of figure is around. You know, it takes this many

716
00:42:08,175 --> 00:42:12,015
Speaker 6: days from building consent to CCC. Can we shorten that up?

717
00:42:12,575 --> 00:42:14,095
Speaker 6: I think one of the figures was it was like

718
00:42:14,415 --> 00:42:20,095
Speaker 6: something like five hundred days from building consent to CCC.

719
00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:25,575
Speaker 6: Then it identified the processing time for a building consent.

720
00:42:26,055 --> 00:42:31,135
Speaker 6: So a lot of focus on Council bcas building consent authorities,

721
00:42:31,895 --> 00:42:34,135
Speaker 6: how long it takes them to process a consent and

722
00:42:34,415 --> 00:42:37,415
Speaker 6: is the delay? So they have a statutory requirement to

723
00:42:38,215 --> 00:42:42,375
Speaker 6: process a building consent in twenty days. What typically happens,

724
00:42:42,455 --> 00:42:45,415
Speaker 6: and almost everyone I know has had exactly this experience.

725
00:42:45,815 --> 00:42:52,575
Speaker 6: Building consent gets submitted, the clock starts, and you know,

726
00:42:52,935 --> 00:42:57,255
Speaker 6: around fifteen eighteen days after the consent is submitted, an

727
00:42:57,335 --> 00:43:01,135
Speaker 6: email arrived saying hey, look we need this information, an

728
00:43:01,255 --> 00:43:05,375
Speaker 6: RFI request for further information. And at that point, as

729
00:43:05,415 --> 00:43:07,975
Speaker 6: soon as the email go out, as I understand it,

730
00:43:08,055 --> 00:43:13,775
Speaker 6: the clock stops. So if it's day fifteen, then they go, right,

731
00:43:13,855 --> 00:43:16,775
Speaker 6: we've stopped at day fifteen, and then they wait for

732
00:43:16,935 --> 00:43:20,695
Speaker 6: the response from the designer or the architect the architectural

733
00:43:20,775 --> 00:43:25,455
Speaker 6: drafts person to provide the information, and when it's received back,

734
00:43:26,095 --> 00:43:29,375
Speaker 6: then the clock starts again. They start processing. So you know,

735
00:43:29,415 --> 00:43:33,695
Speaker 6: if they're under you could argue that if you're under

736
00:43:33,695 --> 00:43:35,535
Speaker 6: the pump as a processor, what you do is you

737
00:43:35,575 --> 00:43:37,615
Speaker 6: flick off an email going hey, look I need more

738
00:43:37,655 --> 00:43:40,335
Speaker 6: information on this, that and the other thing, and that

739
00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:43,175
Speaker 6: gives you time to do other work while that consent

740
00:43:43,255 --> 00:43:47,215
Speaker 6: sits there in a holding pattern until the RFI comes back.

741
00:43:48,055 --> 00:43:49,415
Speaker 6: That's one way of looking at it. I guess the

742
00:43:49,495 --> 00:43:51,135
Speaker 6: other way of looking at it is that you know,

743
00:43:51,455 --> 00:43:57,895
Speaker 6: a consent is submitted, it's lacking in detail. Maybe there

744
00:43:58,015 --> 00:44:00,775
Speaker 6: is some complex junctions that are not fully detailed. These

745
00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:04,175
Speaker 6: flashing details that are not included. There might be waterproofing details,

746
00:44:04,295 --> 00:44:07,815
Speaker 6: anything in the building consent and so the consent is

747
00:44:07,855 --> 00:44:13,695
Speaker 6: incomplete and the processing officer can't say it complies with

748
00:44:13,775 --> 00:44:16,215
Speaker 6: the code if those items are missing, right, in which

749
00:44:16,255 --> 00:44:18,615
Speaker 6: case it's not actually the fault of council, it's the

750
00:44:18,695 --> 00:44:21,855
Speaker 6: fault of the person who's submitted the plan. Is the

751
00:44:21,975 --> 00:44:26,255
Speaker 6: quality or are the quality of the drawings less than optimal?

752
00:44:27,095 --> 00:44:28,935
Speaker 6: You may have some thoughts on this. Oh, eight hundred

753
00:44:28,975 --> 00:44:32,175
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty, we're going to talk installation. Good

754
00:44:32,615 --> 00:44:34,335
Speaker 6: morning to you, carry How are you this morning?

755
00:44:35,375 --> 00:44:35,535
Speaker 7: Yeah?

756
00:44:35,575 --> 00:44:35,735
Speaker 9: Good?

757
00:44:35,775 --> 00:44:36,335
Speaker 11: Peete yourself?

758
00:44:36,455 --> 00:44:36,975
Speaker 1: Yeah, not bad?

759
00:44:37,015 --> 00:44:38,975
Speaker 9: Actually yet cool?

760
00:44:39,135 --> 00:44:42,215
Speaker 11: Hey listen, pete, I've got a late nineteen seventies unit.

761
00:44:42,415 --> 00:44:45,575
Speaker 9: Yes, And on one of the lounge.

762
00:44:45,255 --> 00:44:47,255
Speaker 11: Walls is also the garage wall.

763
00:44:47,775 --> 00:44:47,975
Speaker 7: Yep.

764
00:44:49,215 --> 00:44:51,895
Speaker 11: And she's a bit cool in the garage. And we've

765
00:44:52,015 --> 00:44:56,615
Speaker 11: changed the tilted door to a sectional door, insulated. And

766
00:44:57,295 --> 00:45:01,815
Speaker 11: I noticed that that war with the lounge felt a

767
00:45:01,895 --> 00:45:05,015
Speaker 11: bit cool. So I peeled back some of the hardboard

768
00:45:05,055 --> 00:45:05,615
Speaker 11: and had a look.

769
00:45:05,735 --> 00:45:06,095
Speaker 7: There's no.

770
00:45:08,575 --> 00:45:11,535
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I thought, do I take the hardboard off,

771
00:45:12,055 --> 00:45:15,615
Speaker 11: insulate it, reline it, or is there anything that I

772
00:45:15,655 --> 00:45:18,695
Speaker 11: can just put over the wall on the garage side

773
00:45:18,735 --> 00:45:19,535
Speaker 11: to help insulate.

774
00:45:20,695 --> 00:45:25,695
Speaker 6: Yes, yes there are if you wanted to. So there's

775
00:45:27,055 --> 00:45:30,575
Speaker 6: the most commonly used product would be it's by Kingspan,

776
00:45:32,255 --> 00:45:36,135
Speaker 6: So it's an insulated plasterboard. So if you imagine fifty

777
00:45:36,215 --> 00:45:43,735
Speaker 6: millimeters of polystyrene effectively with a plaster board face so

778
00:45:44,095 --> 00:45:47,015
Speaker 6: they're laminated together. You can simply fix that on and

779
00:45:47,135 --> 00:45:49,815
Speaker 6: you'll get an our value. Off the top of my head,

780
00:45:49,815 --> 00:45:52,175
Speaker 6: it might be our one point seven or something like that, right,

781
00:45:53,255 --> 00:45:58,695
Speaker 6: But what will happen obviously is skirtings and scotias and

782
00:45:58,935 --> 00:46:02,375
Speaker 6: door reveals. You'll have to extend those for the extra depth.

783
00:46:03,375 --> 00:46:06,255
Speaker 6: So if you're prepared to lose some space in the garret,

784
00:46:06,495 --> 00:46:08,135
Speaker 6: I know it's not much, but you will lose a

785
00:46:08,175 --> 00:46:16,295
Speaker 6: little bit. Okay, that's one solution where that particular type

786
00:46:16,335 --> 00:46:21,655
Speaker 6: of insulation works really well. Is typically all if you're

787
00:46:21,735 --> 00:46:26,015
Speaker 6: going to retrofit insulation into an existing wall into as

788
00:46:26,095 --> 00:46:30,415
Speaker 6: in remove lining, add insulation, that actually triggers the requirement

789
00:46:30,495 --> 00:46:34,255
Speaker 6: for building consent in this instance here, because you're adding

790
00:46:34,455 --> 00:46:37,135
Speaker 6: insulation to the face of it, you don't need to

791
00:46:37,175 --> 00:46:40,215
Speaker 6: worry about building consent, so it's a completely compliant way

792
00:46:40,295 --> 00:46:47,135
Speaker 6: of retrofiting insulation in your situation. Technically that wall between

793
00:46:47,215 --> 00:46:50,575
Speaker 6: the lounge and the garage is the exterior wall of

794
00:46:50,655 --> 00:46:54,735
Speaker 6: your building. I know it's completely interior, but in terms

795
00:46:54,775 --> 00:46:58,975
Speaker 6: of how the building's designed, it's effectively an outside wall.

796
00:47:00,255 --> 00:47:03,815
Speaker 6: So I wonder whether no, actually, I actually think in

797
00:47:03,895 --> 00:47:07,775
Speaker 6: that case, you could remove the lining insulation into the

798
00:47:07,895 --> 00:47:13,015
Speaker 6: wall and redo the lining without needing building consent because

799
00:47:13,015 --> 00:47:16,055
Speaker 6: you're not worried about moisture into the wall because the

800
00:47:16,135 --> 00:47:18,055
Speaker 6: wall is inside the building envelope.

801
00:47:19,055 --> 00:47:19,735
Speaker 11: It's correct.

802
00:47:19,895 --> 00:47:23,735
Speaker 6: You know, Look, I I suppose it's quite disruptive for

803
00:47:23,855 --> 00:47:26,295
Speaker 6: the lounge if you had to pull all the lining off,

804
00:47:27,175 --> 00:47:30,495
Speaker 6: install insulation into there, and then reline, you'll have to

805
00:47:30,735 --> 00:47:35,455
Speaker 6: take skirtings off, Scotia's off, the dust and disruption of

806
00:47:35,535 --> 00:47:37,895
Speaker 6: pulling the wall lining off. Then you've got to put

807
00:47:37,895 --> 00:47:41,175
Speaker 6: a new lining on, stop painting and sign So you know,

808
00:47:41,335 --> 00:47:43,655
Speaker 6: that's quite disruptive to the lounge. So if you worked

809
00:47:43,695 --> 00:47:46,295
Speaker 6: on the other side, what about taking the lining off

810
00:47:46,415 --> 00:47:49,015
Speaker 6: on the garage side, where it's probably easier to get to.

811
00:47:50,295 --> 00:47:51,935
Speaker 11: You know, That's what I was a moving to.

812
00:47:52,535 --> 00:47:56,215
Speaker 6: Okay, Sorry, yes, okay, so work from the lounge side,

813
00:47:56,255 --> 00:47:57,335
Speaker 6: work from the garage side.

814
00:47:57,455 --> 00:48:02,655
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, it's got I'm guessing it's probably tempered hard boards.

815
00:48:02,895 --> 00:48:06,615
Speaker 5: And then there's some building paper and so I cut

816
00:48:06,695 --> 00:48:08,255
Speaker 5: a panel away and have a look, and I could

817
00:48:08,295 --> 00:48:11,295
Speaker 5: see there's no insulation, and yeah, so I figured, do

818
00:48:11,455 --> 00:48:13,575
Speaker 5: I strip that or do I just put something over

819
00:48:13,655 --> 00:48:15,135
Speaker 5: the top like that kingspan.

820
00:48:15,255 --> 00:48:16,895
Speaker 12: I think you said, yeah, look, I.

821
00:48:18,575 --> 00:48:21,295
Speaker 6: I'm thinking when you do the numbers, you'd probably find

822
00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:23,735
Speaker 6: that just stripping the lining off from the garage side

823
00:48:23,735 --> 00:48:28,095
Speaker 6: of that wall, adding insulation and redoing the lining. And

824
00:48:28,255 --> 00:48:31,415
Speaker 6: because it's a garage, you know, you could put plasterboard

825
00:48:31,495 --> 00:48:33,335
Speaker 6: up and stop and paint it. You could line it

826
00:48:33,415 --> 00:48:37,495
Speaker 6: in plywood, for example, and then it's you know, I mean,

827
00:48:37,655 --> 00:48:40,295
Speaker 6: like it's inside the garage. It's quite handy if you've

828
00:48:40,295 --> 00:48:45,975
Speaker 6: got tryboard or something like that as you're lining, because

829
00:48:45,975 --> 00:48:48,655
Speaker 6: then you can fix your hocks for your rakes and

830
00:48:49,375 --> 00:48:52,735
Speaker 6: extension cords and you know that sort of thing. It's

831
00:48:52,775 --> 00:48:54,455
Speaker 6: a good opportunity for a bit of an upgrade.

832
00:48:54,495 --> 00:48:57,375
Speaker 11: Really Yeah, yeah, well you stole my very thoughts.

833
00:48:57,535 --> 00:49:01,295
Speaker 6: Ah, okay, yeah, look I what do I do the

834
00:49:01,375 --> 00:49:04,375
Speaker 6: other day? I used triboard tongue in groove right, which

835
00:49:04,455 --> 00:49:08,055
Speaker 6: is a four hundred wide panel, So it's tongue and groove.

836
00:49:08,335 --> 00:49:10,815
Speaker 6: So it's easy to install because once you cut it

837
00:49:10,895 --> 00:49:13,095
Speaker 6: at two four or something like that, it's quite manageable

838
00:49:13,495 --> 00:49:18,135
Speaker 6: on your own. And it's fifteen mil thick, so it's

839
00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:21,495
Speaker 6: quite robust. You can screw hocks into it and all

840
00:49:21,535 --> 00:49:26,415
Speaker 6: the rest of it and then just paint that great well.

841
00:49:26,455 --> 00:49:28,175
Speaker 11: I can probably also if I do that, I can

842
00:49:28,215 --> 00:49:30,775
Speaker 11: probably get a better rating of product than the wall

843
00:49:30,815 --> 00:49:31,175
Speaker 11: as well.

844
00:49:31,695 --> 00:49:34,935
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, yeah, ideally, And you know, it's an

845
00:49:34,935 --> 00:49:37,815
Speaker 6: opportunity maybe to run a couple of extra you know,

846
00:49:37,855 --> 00:49:39,575
Speaker 6: if you wanted to get an electrician to come and

847
00:49:39,655 --> 00:49:42,375
Speaker 6: put an extra power point in, or run you know,

848
00:49:42,455 --> 00:49:44,815
Speaker 6: like a Cat six cable to the TV on the

849
00:49:44,895 --> 00:49:47,095
Speaker 6: other side, all of those sorts of things. So you know,

850
00:49:47,175 --> 00:49:49,855
Speaker 6: there is an opportunity to do other work when you've

851
00:49:49,895 --> 00:49:51,015
Speaker 6: got that wall exposed.

852
00:49:52,295 --> 00:49:53,895
Speaker 11: Yeah, and it just happens to be the wall that

853
00:49:54,175 --> 00:49:58,455
Speaker 11: where the aerial wire is and where the all the

854
00:49:58,575 --> 00:50:01,495
Speaker 11: other electric components that come into the home come along

855
00:50:01,575 --> 00:50:02,295
Speaker 11: that wall as well.

856
00:50:02,815 --> 00:50:05,135
Speaker 6: And you know, when you think about nineteen seventies, houses

857
00:50:05,215 --> 00:50:08,335
Speaker 6: typically like in a you'll have one power point, right

858
00:50:09,095 --> 00:50:12,575
Speaker 6: and you know modern living, we probably need a few

859
00:50:12,615 --> 00:50:14,615
Speaker 6: more than that, so it's an opportunity to get the

860
00:50:14,655 --> 00:50:18,935
Speaker 6: electrician in and to add a PowerPoint or you know,

861
00:50:19,135 --> 00:50:22,455
Speaker 6: data excess and all those sorts of things. So yeah,

862
00:50:23,655 --> 00:50:27,215
Speaker 6: and then you got a nice durable wall in the

863
00:50:27,295 --> 00:50:27,975
Speaker 6: garage as well.

864
00:50:29,295 --> 00:50:35,615
Speaker 11: Absolutely all right, my own space, I know what you mean.

865
00:50:36,535 --> 00:50:40,175
Speaker 6: Oh fantastic. All right, buddy, all the best. You take

866
00:50:40,215 --> 00:50:42,855
Speaker 6: care care of it. See there, it is just coming

867
00:50:42,935 --> 00:50:47,015
Speaker 6: up sixteen minutes after seven. If you'd like to join us, well,

868
00:50:47,095 --> 00:50:48,815
Speaker 6: give us a call right now. Oh eight hundred and

869
00:50:48,855 --> 00:50:52,615
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty. We're talking all things building construction, lots

870
00:50:52,655 --> 00:50:57,015
Speaker 6: and lots of texts with regard to the sort of

871
00:50:57,335 --> 00:50:59,335
Speaker 6: press release that came out. And I think Chris Pink

872
00:50:59,375 --> 00:51:02,455
Speaker 6: did a couple of interviews, so I will reach out

873
00:51:02,655 --> 00:51:05,975
Speaker 6: this week and see whether we can. We had Chris

874
00:51:06,055 --> 00:51:09,495
Speaker 6: Pink came in. It was very good of them, I thought.

875
00:51:10,135 --> 00:51:14,495
Speaker 6: So I approached through his office the minister, to go, hey,

876
00:51:14,535 --> 00:51:17,295
Speaker 6: look I'd like to do an interview. You're the incoming

877
00:51:19,615 --> 00:51:25,135
Speaker 6: construction and building minister. And he said, oh, look, I'll

878
00:51:25,375 --> 00:51:28,735
Speaker 6: come into zid B during the week, we can record

879
00:51:28,775 --> 00:51:31,455
Speaker 6: the interview and replay it on the Sunday. So I'll

880
00:51:31,495 --> 00:51:35,335
Speaker 6: reach out again and get that underway, because there's a

881
00:51:35,495 --> 00:51:38,615
Speaker 6: lot in that particular press release of what we think

882
00:51:38,735 --> 00:51:41,415
Speaker 6: might come up. A couple of people have sent some texts,

883
00:51:43,655 --> 00:51:49,735
Speaker 6: especially the comment around some builders being able to self certify.

884
00:51:51,335 --> 00:51:53,855
Speaker 6: We'll unpack that a little bit later this morning. Oh,

885
00:51:53,895 --> 00:51:56,015
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty give us a call. The

886
00:51:56,175 --> 00:51:57,335
Speaker 6: lines are open.

887
00:51:57,495 --> 00:51:57,735
Speaker 3: It is.

888
00:51:59,535 --> 00:52:02,735
Speaker 6: Seventeen minutes after seven. Back with Matt after the break.

889
00:52:02,855 --> 00:52:06,095
Speaker 1: Freak helping you get those DIY projects done right.

890
00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:12,895
Speaker 9: The resident builder with Peta WOLFCAF call eight Talk ZB News.

891
00:52:12,815 --> 00:52:15,615
Speaker 6: Talk ZB and we're talking with Matt. If you'd like

892
00:52:15,655 --> 00:52:17,935
Speaker 6: to join us, eight hundred eighty ten eighties the number

893
00:52:17,935 --> 00:52:20,935
Speaker 6: of morning Matt, Good morning, Hey.

894
00:52:21,295 --> 00:52:24,455
Speaker 13: I have I have an old house like it's like

895
00:52:24,575 --> 00:52:27,335
Speaker 13: from the nineteen fifties and there it's got like an

896
00:52:27,455 --> 00:52:32,775
Speaker 13: iron up steel roof on top of it, and it's

897
00:52:32,815 --> 00:52:36,855
Speaker 13: started with age of time like you, nobody can run away.

898
00:52:36,655 --> 00:52:37,215
Speaker 11: From tom of it.

899
00:52:38,735 --> 00:52:41,295
Speaker 7: Ultimate and set up.

900
00:52:41,535 --> 00:52:44,255
Speaker 13: I'm thinking about it. How do I steal my roof paint?

901
00:52:44,335 --> 00:52:47,895
Speaker 13: My roof paint is good, but what do you put

902
00:52:47,935 --> 00:52:52,055
Speaker 13: on iron on middle roof. Roofing was kind of stew

903
00:52:52,135 --> 00:52:54,615
Speaker 13: it like a tail, but mental anything like that. You

904
00:52:54,695 --> 00:52:55,855
Speaker 13: can tape on your roof.

905
00:52:58,015 --> 00:53:01,495
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's one of those things that's become There's

906
00:53:01,615 --> 00:53:03,495
Speaker 6: there's a lot of talk about it at the moment

907
00:53:03,655 --> 00:53:06,575
Speaker 6: in terms of, you know, don't replace your roofs it,

908
00:53:07,575 --> 00:53:11,975
Speaker 6: But it depends a little bit on what what the

909
00:53:12,135 --> 00:53:15,615
Speaker 6: existing condition of the roofing is. Right, so, you know,

910
00:53:16,255 --> 00:53:17,775
Speaker 6: like most things, it has.

911
00:53:18,495 --> 00:53:23,335
Speaker 13: It's been my roof for twenty years, okay, so pretty dadd.

912
00:53:23,735 --> 00:53:25,895
Speaker 6: Yeah, but look I've I've got a twenty year old

913
00:53:25,975 --> 00:53:29,415
Speaker 6: roof too, and it's an okay condition, you know. So

914
00:53:30,415 --> 00:53:34,855
Speaker 6: I think if if it's sound right, if there is

915
00:53:34,975 --> 00:53:37,935
Speaker 6: solid yeah, there's there's not a lot of russ, there's

916
00:53:38,415 --> 00:53:40,975
Speaker 6: you don't have issues with leaking and so on, and

917
00:53:41,095 --> 00:53:44,855
Speaker 6: you're looking to protect that surface, then either a paint

918
00:53:45,135 --> 00:53:48,495
Speaker 6: or a sealant over the top is a good option.

919
00:53:48,735 --> 00:53:50,615
Speaker 6: It'll extend the life of the roof.

920
00:53:51,695 --> 00:53:54,535
Speaker 13: I'm just sicking your advice. I'm thinking more sealant than

921
00:53:55,015 --> 00:53:55,975
Speaker 13: than a lot's paint.

922
00:53:56,295 --> 00:54:02,535
Speaker 6: Sure excuse me. Then it all comes down to preparation, right,

923
00:54:02,695 --> 00:54:06,975
Speaker 6: So the contractor doing the work needs to ensure that

924
00:54:09,255 --> 00:54:11,215
Speaker 6: y you want to do it yourself.

925
00:54:12,575 --> 00:54:13,495
Speaker 12: A little lot cheaper.

926
00:54:14,215 --> 00:54:17,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, true, there's obviously.

927
00:54:18,615 --> 00:54:20,255
Speaker 12: From you have to go better.

928
00:54:20,615 --> 00:54:22,495
Speaker 13: Say, if you do a job to once do it

929
00:54:22,615 --> 00:54:24,215
Speaker 13: right a yep.

930
00:54:25,855 --> 00:54:29,135
Speaker 6: Typically though these applications are sprayed on right.

931
00:54:30,495 --> 00:54:34,175
Speaker 13: So now the kind of like kind of set up,

932
00:54:34,295 --> 00:54:36,535
Speaker 13: I have no idea how to go better apart from

933
00:54:36,575 --> 00:54:39,135
Speaker 13: that old number eight pin brush.

934
00:54:39,935 --> 00:54:43,415
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that that won't Yeah, I don't think you'll

935
00:54:43,455 --> 00:54:46,095
Speaker 6: find a product that you could apply yourself that will

936
00:54:46,135 --> 00:54:47,455
Speaker 6: give you that finish right?

937
00:54:48,375 --> 00:54:53,055
Speaker 13: So do I have to go like commercial customer based

938
00:54:53,135 --> 00:54:55,935
Speaker 13: voice to get some piss and do it? But I'm

939
00:54:56,015 --> 00:54:58,655
Speaker 13: just thinking just yourself. You know, you've a tradesmen in

940
00:54:58,695 --> 00:55:04,015
Speaker 13: that that what would you apply to to to a

941
00:55:04,055 --> 00:55:06,695
Speaker 13: middle root to still a roof that's twenty years old?

942
00:55:07,295 --> 00:55:10,055
Speaker 13: Not paint that looks like a ceiling kind of thing?

943
00:55:11,615 --> 00:55:12,135
Speaker 12: You pissed me?

944
00:55:12,255 --> 00:55:13,295
Speaker 11: What kind of product would you.

945
00:55:13,295 --> 00:55:13,935
Speaker 14: Get to my tea?

946
00:55:14,575 --> 00:55:17,775
Speaker 6: I probably I don't know that I would do it right.

947
00:55:18,855 --> 00:55:21,415
Speaker 6: I think that if the roof needed a coating, I

948
00:55:21,495 --> 00:55:25,375
Speaker 6: would stick with paint. If it was in poor condition,

949
00:55:25,695 --> 00:55:28,335
Speaker 6: I would probably look at replacing it. So if your

950
00:55:28,415 --> 00:55:34,055
Speaker 6: roof is sound you can certainly clean it, apply the

951
00:55:34,215 --> 00:55:38,015
Speaker 6: right primer and then do two coats of roof paint.

952
00:55:39,335 --> 00:55:43,175
Speaker 6: You know, obviously if you're working, if you're working on

953
00:55:43,215 --> 00:55:46,535
Speaker 6: the roof, you've got to be really conscious around safety

954
00:55:47,295 --> 00:55:49,055
Speaker 6: in terms of making sure that you don't end up

955
00:55:49,095 --> 00:55:52,495
Speaker 6: skating off the roof and landing on the ground. And

956
00:55:52,655 --> 00:55:56,775
Speaker 6: then I've painted plenty of roofs, so yeah, you can

957
00:55:56,935 --> 00:56:00,295
Speaker 6: do it. In terms of a brush on application for

958
00:56:00,375 --> 00:56:02,655
Speaker 6: a seiler, I'm not sure that there's anything that I

959
00:56:02,735 --> 00:56:07,015
Speaker 6: could could actually honestly recommend to you. Good luck with

960
00:56:07,095 --> 00:56:10,455
Speaker 6: that though, and please be safe. That's the key to

961
00:56:10,535 --> 00:56:12,455
Speaker 6: it all. The best to you, Matt oh eight hundred

962
00:56:12,495 --> 00:56:14,655
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call just

963
00:56:14,695 --> 00:56:17,055
Speaker 6: talking about safety. Actually, so the job that I was

964
00:56:17,095 --> 00:56:23,095
Speaker 6: doing yesterday involved replacing the extractor fan in the ceiling.

965
00:56:23,655 --> 00:56:26,335
Speaker 6: Had the electrician come round on Friday just to check

966
00:56:26,535 --> 00:56:30,135
Speaker 6: that the existing three pin plug. So these days often

967
00:56:30,175 --> 00:56:32,975
Speaker 6: when you buy a new extractor fan, they actually come

968
00:56:33,175 --> 00:56:36,455
Speaker 6: with fixed wiring and a three pin plug on it.

969
00:56:36,615 --> 00:56:39,295
Speaker 6: So up in the roof space in this instance, there

970
00:56:39,535 --> 00:56:42,335
Speaker 6: was an existing it had been wirened by the previous

971
00:56:42,415 --> 00:56:46,255
Speaker 6: electrician three pin plug and because I had the electrician

972
00:56:46,335 --> 00:56:48,415
Speaker 6: do a little bit of other few other jobs around

973
00:56:48,415 --> 00:56:49,935
Speaker 6: the house. I said, can you just go up and

974
00:56:50,095 --> 00:56:53,455
Speaker 6: test that plug, just to make sure that it's safe.

975
00:56:53,975 --> 00:56:56,095
Speaker 6: So they go up with a little meg tool. I'm

976
00:56:56,095 --> 00:56:57,935
Speaker 6: sure there's a more technical phrase than that, but I'm

977
00:56:57,975 --> 00:57:00,935
Speaker 6: a chippy not a sparky. Anyway, tested it, it's okay.

978
00:57:01,335 --> 00:57:05,975
Speaker 6: Plug the new fan into it, replace the ducting. Made

979
00:57:06,015 --> 00:57:09,455
Speaker 6: sure that deducting ran as straight and as level as

980
00:57:09,495 --> 00:57:12,015
Speaker 6: I possibly could across the ceiling. So I had to

981
00:57:12,055 --> 00:57:15,135
Speaker 6: sort of move insulation aside and clear a path and

982
00:57:15,535 --> 00:57:18,055
Speaker 6: all the rest of it. And then with an old house,

983
00:57:19,095 --> 00:57:23,415
Speaker 6: I needed to go out over the top plate obviously,

984
00:57:23,575 --> 00:57:26,175
Speaker 6: and then drop then have a bend and go down

985
00:57:27,095 --> 00:57:30,015
Speaker 6: through the safit. Now, on an old house like mine,

986
00:57:30,935 --> 00:57:35,535
Speaker 6: the safit is twenty mili thick caraie so and also

987
00:57:36,575 --> 00:57:38,735
Speaker 6: this is often the track. Actually, this is a good one.

988
00:57:40,295 --> 00:57:42,415
Speaker 6: I've seen this so many times, and people involved in

989
00:57:42,495 --> 00:57:44,975
Speaker 6: ventilation or extraction see this all the time as well.

990
00:57:45,335 --> 00:57:48,215
Speaker 6: So off the fan is one hundred mill port and

991
00:57:48,295 --> 00:57:50,335
Speaker 6: then you have to extend that out to one hundred

992
00:57:50,375 --> 00:57:55,575
Speaker 6: and fifty millimeter diameter, so round semi rigiducting which I

993
00:57:55,695 --> 00:57:59,855
Speaker 6: ran out. But then when you get to the junction

994
00:58:00,015 --> 00:58:02,455
Speaker 6: between the roof coming down to the top plate and

995
00:58:02,535 --> 00:58:07,895
Speaker 6: the safit, you know, you there's just not enough space, right,

996
00:58:07,935 --> 00:58:10,375
Speaker 6: There's not one hundred and fifty mil clear there. So

997
00:58:10,535 --> 00:58:14,735
Speaker 6: sometimes people just squish the ducting down. So they take

998
00:58:14,815 --> 00:58:17,055
Speaker 6: the circle and they kind of squish it down a

999
00:58:17,095 --> 00:58:19,415
Speaker 6: little bit, turn it into an oval, and kind of

1000
00:58:19,495 --> 00:58:22,935
Speaker 6: bend it through that corner and hope that the airflow

1001
00:58:23,015 --> 00:58:26,215
Speaker 6: still goes out through the grill to the exterior. I

1002
00:58:26,375 --> 00:58:30,135
Speaker 6: ended up getting some so simics to a range of ducting,

1003
00:58:30,255 --> 00:58:34,135
Speaker 6: so I transferred from one fifty round to I think

1004
00:58:34,175 --> 00:58:37,775
Speaker 6: it's two hundred by ninety rectangular section, so it's got

1005
00:58:38,135 --> 00:58:42,975
Speaker 6: a transfer like a little adapter from round to rectangular.

1006
00:58:43,615 --> 00:58:47,215
Speaker 6: Then I had a short section of the ninety by

1007
00:58:47,295 --> 00:58:49,975
Speaker 6: two hundred ducting, so it's a similar volume to what

1008
00:58:50,095 --> 00:58:53,975
Speaker 6: you get in fifty one fifty round and then a

1009
00:58:54,135 --> 00:58:57,735
Speaker 6: ninety degree bend and that tucked neatly over the top

1010
00:58:57,815 --> 00:59:00,215
Speaker 6: of the top plate through the safe. I did have

1011
00:59:00,335 --> 00:59:02,535
Speaker 6: to cut a little bit of the there's like a

1012
00:59:02,615 --> 00:59:04,615
Speaker 6: board that runs round over the top of the ceiling

1013
00:59:04,695 --> 00:59:06,815
Speaker 6: joists on an old house at the raft land on.

1014
00:59:07,575 --> 00:59:09,815
Speaker 6: I did notch a little section of that out. Didn't

1015
00:59:09,815 --> 00:59:12,455
Speaker 6: make a great deal of difference structurally, but I needed

1016
00:59:12,535 --> 00:59:14,375
Speaker 6: to notch that out, and I needed to cut through

1017
00:59:14,615 --> 00:59:18,295
Speaker 6: the Safit obviously not with a whole sort, because I'm

1018
00:59:18,375 --> 00:59:23,855
Speaker 6: creating a rectangle out let. The reason I say all

1019
00:59:23,895 --> 00:59:27,415
Speaker 6: of this partly is that it's that way of doing

1020
00:59:27,455 --> 00:59:30,495
Speaker 6: it is the optimal way to ensure that you don't

1021
00:59:30,535 --> 00:59:35,255
Speaker 6: have any restriction on the airflow from the extraction. That's

1022
00:59:35,295 --> 00:59:37,855
Speaker 6: really important. And then the other thing that I did

1023
00:59:37,975 --> 00:59:42,215
Speaker 6: is I've got a little mobile scaff and took the

1024
00:59:42,335 --> 00:59:44,615
Speaker 6: time to go lug that round from the other side

1025
00:59:44,655 --> 00:59:46,455
Speaker 6: of the house put it up so that when I

1026
00:59:46,695 --> 00:59:50,055
Speaker 6: was doing the work measuring out the cutout in the safe,

1027
00:59:50,375 --> 00:59:52,295
Speaker 6: then using the drill to sort of pre drill it,

1028
00:59:52,375 --> 00:59:55,095
Speaker 6: then getting the multi tool out and cutting it out

1029
00:59:55,135 --> 00:59:56,735
Speaker 6: and all the rest of it, I could do that

1030
00:59:56,855 --> 00:59:59,935
Speaker 6: while standing on a platform, which is way more comfortable

1031
00:59:59,975 --> 01:00:01,695
Speaker 6: than trying to do it off a ladder. I mean

1032
01:00:01,735 --> 01:00:05,495
Speaker 6: we're talking, I don't know, to be four and a

1033
01:00:05,575 --> 01:00:08,415
Speaker 6: half five meters from the ground to the underside of

1034
01:00:08,455 --> 01:00:12,095
Speaker 6: the safe and trying to do that off a ladder.

1035
01:00:12,415 --> 01:00:15,615
Speaker 6: It's not terribly pleasant to work on, certainly not as

1036
01:00:15,695 --> 01:00:18,935
Speaker 6: safe and it just takes more time. So for the

1037
01:00:19,015 --> 01:00:21,055
Speaker 6: time that it's spent that it took me to take

1038
01:00:21,095 --> 01:00:24,815
Speaker 6: a little mobile scaff around there, set it up and

1039
01:00:25,055 --> 01:00:28,255
Speaker 6: do all of that, he just way safer. Hence my

1040
01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:30,455
Speaker 6: comment to Matt, if you are going to go up

1041
01:00:30,495 --> 01:00:32,615
Speaker 6: there and do work on your own roof, make sure

1042
01:00:32,655 --> 01:00:36,095
Speaker 6: that you do it safely as well. Oh, eight hundred

1043
01:00:36,255 --> 01:00:39,055
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Remember after

1044
01:00:39,135 --> 01:00:40,295
Speaker 6: eight o'clock, we're going to have a bit of a

1045
01:00:40,375 --> 01:00:43,215
Speaker 6: chat with genuine called Hamish Firth. He's been on the

1046
01:00:43,215 --> 01:00:47,015
Speaker 6: show before. He is a planner, a good old fashioned

1047
01:00:47,055 --> 01:00:49,495
Speaker 6: town planner as he describes himself, and so we've had

1048
01:00:49,575 --> 01:00:52,655
Speaker 6: him on the show to chat about boundaries and planning

1049
01:00:52,735 --> 01:00:56,375
Speaker 6: regulations and these sorts of things. I'm just going to

1050
01:00:56,415 --> 01:00:58,175
Speaker 6: get them on for a bit of a chat around

1051
01:00:58,415 --> 01:01:04,135
Speaker 6: what happens when applications for developments get turned down. The

1052
01:01:04,215 --> 01:01:06,775
Speaker 6: reason for that is currently in the news. Bit of

1053
01:01:06,815 --> 01:01:11,535
Speaker 6: a story about a quite modern, quite environmentally friendly, quite

1054
01:01:11,655 --> 01:01:14,815
Speaker 6: innovative building that was going to go up on k

1055
01:01:15,095 --> 01:01:19,375
Speaker 6: Road crang Ah Happy Road in Auckland went to the

1056
01:01:19,415 --> 01:01:23,055
Speaker 6: planners at Auckland Council and it got turned down. The

1057
01:01:23,135 --> 01:01:26,815
Speaker 6: building is too big, it doesn't maybe fit with the heritage.

1058
01:01:27,135 --> 01:01:30,055
Speaker 6: Da da da da dah. Now he's been involved in

1059
01:01:30,135 --> 01:01:35,095
Speaker 6: that directly, so acknowledging his interest in it. But it's

1060
01:01:35,535 --> 01:01:38,215
Speaker 6: looking forward to that chat with him around what happens

1061
01:01:38,255 --> 01:01:41,775
Speaker 6: when these sorts of consents, the applications for resource consent

1062
01:01:42,095 --> 01:01:44,855
Speaker 6: for the planning of these buildings gets turned down. So

1063
01:01:44,895 --> 01:01:46,975
Speaker 6: we'll do that after eight o'clock. But right now it

1064
01:01:47,135 --> 01:01:50,895
Speaker 6: is your opportunity to talk all things building construction. Eight

1065
01:01:51,015 --> 01:01:53,215
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1066
01:01:53,295 --> 01:01:57,455
Speaker 1: Seven thirty met twice God was, but maybe called Pete

1067
01:01:57,495 --> 01:02:00,855
Speaker 1: first be you Orcaf the resident builder news talk sa'd be.

1068
01:02:02,695 --> 01:02:06,215
Speaker 6: I'm sure this is slightly tongue in cheek, this particular text.

1069
01:02:06,495 --> 01:02:09,215
Speaker 6: What are the legalities are putting razor wire on a

1070
01:02:09,295 --> 01:02:12,095
Speaker 6: fence to keep people out of our industrial workplace?

1071
01:02:12,175 --> 01:02:22,255
Speaker 8: Please, it's a very good question, to be fair.

1072
01:02:22,615 --> 01:02:24,455
Speaker 6: Look off the top of my head, I don't know.

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01:02:25,295 --> 01:02:28,855
Speaker 6: I'm just wondering because it's not uncommon to see, you know,

1074
01:02:28,975 --> 01:02:32,175
Speaker 6: security fences that are topped with either barbed wire or

1075
01:02:32,775 --> 01:02:34,735
Speaker 6: not a lot of razor wire. Around to be fair

1076
01:02:35,975 --> 01:02:42,415
Speaker 6: or spikes. I wonder where the part of it would be.

1077
01:02:42,615 --> 01:02:46,055
Speaker 6: It would clearly need to be within your own boundary.

1078
01:02:48,015 --> 01:02:49,935
Speaker 6: Maybe it needs to be of a certain height. I

1079
01:02:49,975 --> 01:02:51,975
Speaker 6: do know if someone knows the answer to that, that'd

1080
01:02:52,015 --> 01:03:01,375
Speaker 6: be awesome. Oh this is interesting too. Code of ethics.

1081
01:03:01,415 --> 01:03:05,055
Speaker 6: There's a code of ethics for LBPS. So someone's taxed through.

1082
01:03:05,415 --> 01:03:10,135
Speaker 6: How does the lb ethics deal with an LBP defaming

1083
01:03:10,255 --> 01:03:15,295
Speaker 6: other members? An LBP designer has called a new immigrant

1084
01:03:15,455 --> 01:03:18,295
Speaker 6: LBP a cowboy and not a real builder, without having

1085
01:03:18,335 --> 01:03:21,215
Speaker 6: any evidence of his prior knowledge or prior knowledge of

1086
01:03:21,375 --> 01:03:26,535
Speaker 6: this person. And the person who's said this is Canadian, apparently,

1087
01:03:27,055 --> 01:03:28,615
Speaker 6: I'm not sure you'd have to take it to the

1088
01:03:28,735 --> 01:03:33,695
Speaker 6: LBP committee and have them decide on that. We're talking

1089
01:03:33,695 --> 01:03:38,135
Speaker 6: about RFIs and council and delays. So where a lot

1090
01:03:38,215 --> 01:03:42,175
Speaker 6: of this comes from is the when you submit a

1091
01:03:42,215 --> 01:03:46,215
Speaker 6: building consent, the building consent authority typically that your local

1092
01:03:46,335 --> 01:03:52,175
Speaker 6: council has a statutory obligation to process your building consent

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01:03:52,655 --> 01:03:55,615
Speaker 6: within twenty days. Now, the number of building consents that

1094
01:03:55,815 --> 01:04:00,975
Speaker 6: actually get processed within twenty days is relatively small. The

1095
01:04:01,095 --> 01:04:04,455
Speaker 6: Minister Chris Penk has gone to mby who have gone

1096
01:04:04,535 --> 01:04:07,255
Speaker 6: to the bcas to go. You need to tell us

1097
01:04:07,415 --> 01:04:10,335
Speaker 6: exactly the data on how long it takes you to

1098
01:04:10,455 --> 01:04:16,535
Speaker 6: process consents and that gives them some insight. So in

1099
01:04:16,695 --> 01:04:19,735
Speaker 6: the press release from the Minister, I directed the building

1100
01:04:19,775 --> 01:04:24,135
Speaker 6: consent authorities to begin providing quarterly data last year to

1101
01:04:24,255 --> 01:04:29,135
Speaker 6: improve transparency, followed repeated following repeated complaints from trades people

1102
01:04:29,215 --> 01:04:33,295
Speaker 6: waiting far longer than the statutory twenty days for a consent.

1103
01:04:33,455 --> 01:04:36,695
Speaker 6: For the first time, we have a consistent nationwide data

1104
01:04:37,335 --> 01:04:43,095
Speaker 6: proving statutory time frames are masking problems. Councils are stopping

1105
01:04:43,135 --> 01:04:47,295
Speaker 6: the clock on applications by requesting further information, extending the

1106
01:04:47,375 --> 01:04:51,935
Speaker 6: processing times beyond the official twenty working day target. So

1107
01:04:52,095 --> 01:04:55,215
Speaker 6: council will issue an RFI, they'll stop the clock. When

1108
01:04:55,255 --> 01:04:58,335
Speaker 6: they get the information back, they will then start the clock.

1109
01:04:58,415 --> 01:05:00,815
Speaker 6: If they then have a further request, they'll stop the

1110
01:05:00,895 --> 01:05:04,735
Speaker 6: clock and start again. So you know, if it RFI

1111
01:05:04,895 --> 01:05:07,815
Speaker 6: comes into the design, they need to look at it,

1112
01:05:07,975 --> 01:05:10,375
Speaker 6: they need to prepare a response, they need to submit

1113
01:05:10,495 --> 01:05:12,295
Speaker 6: it and then the clocks you know that might take.

1114
01:05:12,415 --> 01:05:17,135
Speaker 6: That's an extra week, right, We're going to get the

1115
01:05:17,175 --> 01:05:19,895
Speaker 6: Minister in to talk about this, but I do wonder

1116
01:05:19,935 --> 01:05:24,535
Speaker 6: whether are they ignoring the fact that sometimes plans are

1117
01:05:24,575 --> 01:05:28,815
Speaker 6: incomplete and they can't be processed based on the information provided.

1118
01:05:28,895 --> 01:05:31,815
Speaker 6: And that's of no, that's not the processing office's fault.

1119
01:05:32,295 --> 01:05:36,175
Speaker 6: That's the person who submitted it's fault. But lots of

1120
01:05:36,215 --> 01:05:39,135
Speaker 6: texts on this. It's quite interesting. And also someone has

1121
01:05:39,215 --> 01:05:42,175
Speaker 6: text through what defines a trusted developer when it comes

1122
01:05:42,215 --> 01:05:44,695
Speaker 6: to self assurance? Where is the independence of a review?

1123
01:05:45,615 --> 01:05:48,615
Speaker 6: As it is a as we know there are some

1124
01:05:49,295 --> 01:05:52,775
Speaker 6: reputable developments that have also had leaks. If that is

1125
01:05:52,855 --> 01:05:55,535
Speaker 6: the case, Can I also provide a building inspection report

1126
01:05:55,535 --> 01:05:58,815
Speaker 6: about the house that I'm selling from Gerardo? You can

1127
01:05:59,015 --> 01:06:02,495
Speaker 6: probably do that, but I think people would be unwise

1128
01:06:02,575 --> 01:06:05,055
Speaker 6: to accept it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the

1129
01:06:05,135 --> 01:06:06,975
Speaker 6: number to call Michael. Very good morning.

1130
01:06:07,815 --> 01:06:08,615
Speaker 15: How are you doing so?

1131
01:06:09,095 --> 01:06:09,735
Speaker 6: Yeah, very well?

1132
01:06:09,815 --> 01:06:14,495
Speaker 15: Say oh, well, I'm I'm waking up when you when

1133
01:06:14,495 --> 01:06:16,655
Speaker 15: you get past three quarters of a century quarter. But

1134
01:06:17,695 --> 01:06:19,015
Speaker 15: every morning is a bonus.

1135
01:06:21,215 --> 01:06:23,015
Speaker 6: Every morning is a delightful surprise.

1136
01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:26,615
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1137
01:06:27,095 --> 01:06:29,415
Speaker 15: Now I got a place that I think it's sixteenth

1138
01:06:29,535 --> 01:06:32,535
Speaker 15: or something. It's only a small, two bedroom place. I'm

1139
01:06:32,615 --> 01:06:37,295
Speaker 15: in Mongry and had hope and rail mesh fence all

1140
01:06:37,335 --> 01:06:38,935
Speaker 15: the way around it with a moan strip.

1141
01:06:39,455 --> 01:06:39,615
Speaker 7: Yes.

1142
01:06:41,455 --> 01:06:44,615
Speaker 15: And and I was the last house on the street.

1143
01:06:44,615 --> 01:06:47,175
Speaker 15: And they put another street down down, and the oh

1144
01:06:47,255 --> 01:06:49,215
Speaker 15: that's all been done quite a little while ago. Now

1145
01:06:49,695 --> 01:06:53,055
Speaker 15: when they did, Dad had got destroyed. And then Housing Corp.

1146
01:06:53,615 --> 01:06:58,455
Speaker 15: Brought the property next door to me and they they

1147
01:06:58,615 --> 01:07:05,255
Speaker 15: destroyed that, and they put another wooden fence up. Yes,

1148
01:07:05,335 --> 01:07:09,975
Speaker 15: and they never replaced the moon strip. So I rang

1149
01:07:10,055 --> 01:07:12,655
Speaker 15: them up and I got hold of some woman and

1150
01:07:13,375 --> 01:07:16,775
Speaker 15: she says, yes, yes, yeah, you know, carried on. She

1151
01:07:17,215 --> 01:07:19,815
Speaker 15: she was quite pleasant, and we'll send somebody around o

1152
01:07:19,975 --> 01:07:23,815
Speaker 15: a look. And I was still my own lawns at

1153
01:07:23,815 --> 01:07:26,295
Speaker 15: the time. So I waited about two weeks. I had

1154
01:07:26,455 --> 01:07:29,855
Speaker 15: heard back. I said, oh, well, I ring up again

1155
01:07:31,775 --> 01:07:35,215
Speaker 15: and I, oh, she's not here anymore. And I got

1156
01:07:35,295 --> 01:07:40,055
Speaker 15: some other woman and I said to her, well, she

1157
01:07:40,295 --> 01:07:47,215
Speaker 15: went absolutely so she went berserk. She just yelled and screamed.

1158
01:07:47,455 --> 01:07:52,215
Speaker 6: And what this is an official working for a government department.

1159
01:07:52,775 --> 01:07:54,855
Speaker 15: Carried carried on like a bloody idiot.

1160
01:07:56,495 --> 01:08:01,735
Speaker 6: You know, And I just you know this, I am okay, okay,

1161
01:08:01,775 --> 01:08:02,535
Speaker 6: we get the picture.

1162
01:08:03,695 --> 01:08:10,415
Speaker 15: So well, you know, trying to get cooperation out of

1163
01:08:10,495 --> 01:08:11,295
Speaker 15: people at times.

1164
01:08:14,455 --> 01:08:17,455
Speaker 6: Is your concern that they haven't replaced the mowing strip.

1165
01:08:17,655 --> 01:08:21,775
Speaker 15: It's too late now, Yeah, I'm just saying someone I'm

1166
01:08:22,335 --> 01:08:25,375
Speaker 15: trying to deal with people. Oh, you know with government,

1167
01:08:25,415 --> 01:08:26,775
Speaker 15: you know, with thing to date.

1168
01:08:29,055 --> 01:08:32,375
Speaker 6: Look, we would all expect that someone working for a

1169
01:08:32,375 --> 01:08:37,375
Speaker 6: government department undertakes their work professionally and with a certain

1170
01:08:37,415 --> 01:08:40,695
Speaker 6: sort of courtesy. So if your encounter has been that

1171
01:08:40,855 --> 01:08:45,295
Speaker 6: they haven't been professional, I can understand the frustration there.

1172
01:08:45,335 --> 01:08:48,655
Speaker 6: I suspect that in replacing the fence, they're unlikely to

1173
01:08:48,735 --> 01:08:50,455
Speaker 6: give you back the mowing strip. It's a bit of

1174
01:08:50,535 --> 01:08:52,935
Speaker 6: a I mean, I think they're actually a great idea

1175
01:08:54,415 --> 01:08:56,895
Speaker 6: to do, but they are when you're doing fencing, they

1176
01:08:56,935 --> 01:09:00,415
Speaker 6: are quite a lot of extra work to go. You know,

1177
01:09:00,655 --> 01:09:03,615
Speaker 6: excavate it down, box up both sides, pour the concrete,

1178
01:09:03,655 --> 01:09:06,535
Speaker 6: et cetera, strip the boxing, redo the grass around. So

1179
01:09:07,015 --> 01:09:09,615
Speaker 6: it's not surprising you don't see them as much as

1180
01:09:09,695 --> 01:09:11,735
Speaker 6: you used to. But yeah, they are a great idea.

1181
01:09:12,175 --> 01:09:14,095
Speaker 6: It's just I'm kind of not surprised that they haven't

1182
01:09:14,135 --> 01:09:17,055
Speaker 6: done it unfortunately. Thanks very much for you call all

1183
01:09:17,135 --> 01:09:18,855
Speaker 6: the best. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the

1184
01:09:18,935 --> 01:09:23,975
Speaker 6: number John Good morning morning. Hey, how you doing good?

1185
01:09:24,055 --> 01:09:24,335
Speaker 7: Thanks?

1186
01:09:25,535 --> 01:09:29,135
Speaker 12: Look, I just have a concern, you know with the

1187
01:09:29,255 --> 01:09:35,415
Speaker 12: council's consenting. Recently it was requirement to get a fire

1188
01:09:35,455 --> 01:09:39,375
Speaker 12: engineers been poured on a commercial building. Yes, which Julie

1189
01:09:39,415 --> 01:09:47,695
Speaker 12: dad a seven brand for engineers report submit that the

1190
01:09:47,855 --> 01:09:53,575
Speaker 12: council the next request for more information come back and

1191
01:09:53,695 --> 01:09:56,895
Speaker 12: all the answers were in the report of they hadn't

1192
01:09:56,935 --> 01:09:57,215
Speaker 12: read it.

1193
01:09:58,975 --> 01:09:59,295
Speaker 8: So I.

1194
01:10:00,855 --> 01:10:06,775
Speaker 12: Highlighted everything down, got it approached by the processor. But

1195
01:10:07,855 --> 01:10:13,775
Speaker 12: why why are councils academics overriding firing engineers who are

1196
01:10:14,375 --> 01:10:20,015
Speaker 12: professional if they wanted that information and they override it.

1197
01:10:21,255 --> 01:10:28,975
Speaker 12: What qualifications people and the council have and or what

1198
01:10:29,415 --> 01:10:35,175
Speaker 12: what qualifications does a processing Yeah, person and the council

1199
01:10:35,375 --> 01:10:43,055
Speaker 12: needs to process, you know, the complicated regulations where up

1200
01:10:43,095 --> 01:10:44,695
Speaker 12: agains now put that.

1201
01:10:45,335 --> 01:10:47,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I understand where you're coming from. I think

1202
01:10:47,975 --> 01:10:50,455
Speaker 6: it is unfair to you know, like there's a whole

1203
01:10:50,455 --> 01:10:52,535
Speaker 6: bunch of texts that are coming through here going Look,

1204
01:10:52,575 --> 01:10:55,055
Speaker 6: it's because the people that work at council don't know

1205
01:10:55,175 --> 01:10:57,335
Speaker 6: anything and they've never been on a building side, et cetera,

1206
01:10:57,375 --> 01:11:00,415
Speaker 6: et cetera. I've met a number of people at council

1207
01:11:00,535 --> 01:11:07,655
Speaker 6: who are extremely competent, right, and their professionals in their field,

1208
01:11:07,935 --> 01:11:10,895
Speaker 6: and they've got a tremendous amount of knowledge, now, whether

1209
01:11:10,935 --> 01:11:15,175
Speaker 6: that's a processing officer or an inspector on site and

1210
01:11:15,335 --> 01:11:19,535
Speaker 6: so on. At the same time, I've also encountered council

1211
01:11:19,615 --> 01:11:24,055
Speaker 6: officers who perhaps are learning and so they don't have

1212
01:11:24,375 --> 01:11:26,695
Speaker 6: all of the experience or knowledge that someone who's been

1213
01:11:26,735 --> 01:11:30,575
Speaker 6: around for a few more years has got, and that

1214
01:11:30,855 --> 01:11:34,855
Speaker 6: can be a bit frustrating. With regard to professional reports

1215
01:11:35,015 --> 01:11:37,175
Speaker 6: like that, I would tend to agree. I think that

1216
01:11:37,295 --> 01:11:41,975
Speaker 6: if you've gone to an independently and suitably qualified person

1217
01:11:42,415 --> 01:11:46,695
Speaker 6: got a professional report done that's specific to your building,

1218
01:11:47,535 --> 01:11:51,855
Speaker 6: you're relying on their experience to say and knowledge to go,

1219
01:11:52,335 --> 01:11:55,575
Speaker 6: this is now compliant. What you know the advice that

1220
01:11:55,655 --> 01:11:58,495
Speaker 6: we've given you, If you undertake this work, the building

1221
01:11:58,535 --> 01:12:05,535
Speaker 6: will be compliant. You're right. Why would counsel then go, well,

1222
01:12:05,575 --> 01:12:07,815
Speaker 6: hang on, no, We've we've got a problem with that work,

1223
01:12:07,935 --> 01:12:10,855
Speaker 6: Like what's their core competency versus the person that you've got.

1224
01:12:11,935 --> 01:12:17,015
Speaker 6: There's a similar frustration sometimes on building sites, where you know,

1225
01:12:17,455 --> 01:12:19,535
Speaker 6: if the work is of a certain scale, you might

1226
01:12:19,615 --> 01:12:23,295
Speaker 6: have your own structural engineer right who does the design

1227
01:12:23,655 --> 01:12:26,615
Speaker 6: and then will come to site and do the supervision.

1228
01:12:27,295 --> 01:12:30,095
Speaker 6: It's not uncommon. For example, if you're doing piles, or

1229
01:12:30,135 --> 01:12:34,935
Speaker 6: if you're doing particularly complicated reinforcing or some steel beams

1230
01:12:35,015 --> 01:12:37,255
Speaker 6: or something like that, the person who does the designs

1231
01:12:37,255 --> 01:12:39,935
Speaker 6: will send someone out to look at it on site,

1232
01:12:40,455 --> 01:12:43,615
Speaker 6: and then the council inspector will come along and go,

1233
01:12:43,895 --> 01:12:45,815
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about this, and you go, well, hang on,

1234
01:12:46,535 --> 01:12:50,255
Speaker 6: I've had my structural engineer has approved it. They're going

1235
01:12:50,335 --> 01:12:55,175
Speaker 6: to issue a producer statement. They are effectively taking responsibility

1236
01:12:55,335 --> 01:12:59,055
Speaker 6: for this part of the structure. Why do I even

1237
01:12:59,175 --> 01:13:02,735
Speaker 6: need you? You know what I mean? And that's a

1238
01:13:02,775 --> 01:13:04,175
Speaker 6: similar frustration.

1239
01:13:05,255 --> 01:13:05,575
Speaker 7: I think.

1240
01:13:05,935 --> 01:13:10,695
Speaker 12: Look personally, I went, I went and actually spoke directly

1241
01:13:10,815 --> 01:13:16,015
Speaker 12: with the process and I had a really great response.

1242
01:13:17,855 --> 01:13:25,415
Speaker 12: It was very very helpful. In no disrespect, she's exception

1243
01:13:25,615 --> 01:13:30,095
Speaker 12: to the majority of them. But yeah, I know a

1244
01:13:30,175 --> 01:13:36,855
Speaker 12: guy you know who's built a twenty meter steel framed

1245
01:13:36,975 --> 01:13:41,815
Speaker 12: shit it's got a five meter study. He's got to

1246
01:13:42,135 --> 01:13:45,175
Speaker 12: put a fire alarm in there. How the hell do

1247
01:13:45,295 --> 01:13:49,815
Speaker 12: you burn down when you've got you know, they assume

1248
01:13:50,095 --> 01:13:53,095
Speaker 12: that he's going to do storage in there, and it's

1249
01:13:53,535 --> 01:13:56,855
Speaker 12: at the wording. I read the fire report, fire engineers report,

1250
01:13:56,975 --> 01:14:00,815
Speaker 12: and it's capable of storage. That's not what he applied for.

1251
01:14:01,335 --> 01:14:04,015
Speaker 12: He's got a five so he can put the horse

1252
01:14:04,135 --> 01:14:07,295
Speaker 12: up on the truck, right, networks on there.

1253
01:14:07,815 --> 01:14:08,415
Speaker 16: And now.

1254
01:14:09,895 --> 01:14:12,255
Speaker 6: I guess though, you know, to be fair to counsel

1255
01:14:12,335 --> 01:14:14,975
Speaker 6: and to be fair to to regulations that you don't

1256
01:14:15,095 --> 01:14:18,935
Speaker 6: know what someone's see this is the thing. You don't

1257
01:14:18,975 --> 01:14:21,255
Speaker 6: know what someone's got to do is going to do

1258
01:14:21,415 --> 01:14:24,495
Speaker 6: with that building in the future. So a safe precaution

1259
01:14:24,735 --> 01:14:26,775
Speaker 6: is to ensure that it's got a fire alarm in it.

1260
01:14:27,295 --> 01:14:30,255
Speaker 6: But then at the same time, you're not asking for

1261
01:14:30,415 --> 01:14:34,295
Speaker 6: consent for a building that what somebody else does with it.

1262
01:14:34,415 --> 01:14:37,535
Speaker 6: Somebody might turn it into apartments, right, but that's not

1263
01:14:38,215 --> 01:14:41,215
Speaker 6: the intent of the consent at the time that it

1264
01:14:41,375 --> 01:14:45,055
Speaker 6: was submitted. And why should counsel go, Well, we don't

1265
01:14:45,095 --> 01:14:46,935
Speaker 6: know what's going to happen in the future. Therefore we're

1266
01:14:46,975 --> 01:14:50,215
Speaker 6: going to get you to protect against potential change of

1267
01:14:50,375 --> 01:14:53,615
Speaker 6: use for the building. That's not their remit. Their remit

1268
01:14:53,735 --> 01:14:56,495
Speaker 6: is is it compliant right now for the intention that

1269
01:14:56,615 --> 01:14:57,335
Speaker 6: I want to have.

1270
01:15:00,055 --> 01:15:05,615
Speaker 12: The application specific Yeah, has assumed that he's going to

1271
01:15:05,655 --> 01:15:09,735
Speaker 12: do something else. Uh, that is that although I mean

1272
01:15:10,535 --> 01:15:11,815
Speaker 12: that allows.

1273
01:15:11,895 --> 01:15:15,015
Speaker 6: Just like just to be Devil's advocate for a minute.

1274
01:15:15,135 --> 01:15:17,735
Speaker 6: You know, if he's going to be doing maintenance, for example,

1275
01:15:17,775 --> 01:15:20,055
Speaker 6: on vehicles, so he needs the five meter stud so

1276
01:15:20,175 --> 01:15:21,855
Speaker 6: that he can put a vehicle on a hoist and

1277
01:15:22,175 --> 01:15:25,935
Speaker 6: lift it up. Then in that environment there's likely to

1278
01:15:26,015 --> 01:15:31,295
Speaker 6: be oils and lubricants and possibly flammable materials. So it's

1279
01:15:31,935 --> 01:15:34,935
Speaker 6: reasonable to say it probably should have a fire alarm

1280
01:15:35,015 --> 01:15:38,895
Speaker 6: in it. I mean, there will be things that are

1281
01:15:38,895 --> 01:15:42,895
Speaker 6: flammable that he will use while doing that maintenance work.

1282
01:15:45,175 --> 01:15:50,135
Speaker 12: But I would think he's got all the doors. He's

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01:15:50,215 --> 01:15:55,855
Speaker 12: got four roll of doors on the two excess doors

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01:15:56,055 --> 01:15:59,975
Speaker 12: which are just standard doors. You know, if that thing

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01:16:00,135 --> 01:16:04,855
Speaker 12: catches on fire, it's flamble stuff. Yeah, he's got plenty

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01:16:04,895 --> 01:16:09,815
Speaker 12: of exits. The was designed for those in mine. It's

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01:16:09,855 --> 01:16:12,135
Speaker 12: got any of air movements yeah.

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01:16:12,615 --> 01:16:19,375
Speaker 6: Like yeah, yeah. I mean look still still buildings can collect.

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01:16:20,535 --> 01:16:24,055
Speaker 12: In a commercial building. Look at loacers Lodge. Did the

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01:16:24,175 --> 01:16:27,815
Speaker 12: council inspect that, No they didn't. How many the fine

1291
01:16:27,935 --> 01:16:31,935
Speaker 12: youths occur and residential where people are sleeping, and that's

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01:16:32,015 --> 01:16:35,295
Speaker 12: that's not a commercial where you're standing vertically, when you

1293
01:16:35,455 --> 01:16:42,095
Speaker 12: lower blowing, lie in horizontal and you are affixiated before

1294
01:16:42,175 --> 01:16:46,775
Speaker 12: you sit the death Yeah, different risks. I just I

1295
01:16:46,975 --> 01:16:51,215
Speaker 12: just think it's so it's so expense to do anything

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01:16:51,375 --> 01:16:54,655
Speaker 12: now it's not possible.

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01:16:54,775 --> 01:16:59,295
Speaker 6: But again, if I'm going back to the press release

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01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:02,335
Speaker 6: from the minister, one of the things that is key

1299
01:17:02,695 --> 01:17:05,815
Speaker 6: is that, and this is quoting directly from the press release,

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01:17:05,895 --> 01:17:09,615
Speaker 6: adopt a more balanced approach to liability for defective work.

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01:17:10,055 --> 01:17:12,775
Speaker 6: Now that's not quite what you and I are talking about,

1302
01:17:12,815 --> 01:17:15,135
Speaker 6: but you know, one of the things right now in

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01:17:15,255 --> 01:17:19,815
Speaker 6: terms of building consents and council signing off on buildings

1304
01:17:20,015 --> 01:17:23,535
Speaker 6: is that with joint and several liability, council end up

1305
01:17:23,775 --> 01:17:25,895
Speaker 6: in some cases being on the hook for all of

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01:17:25,975 --> 01:17:32,535
Speaker 6: the defective work because everyone else has gone right. So

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01:17:33,055 --> 01:17:35,855
Speaker 6: in that case, you know, maybe that's another part of this.

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01:17:36,015 --> 01:17:39,415
Speaker 6: And potentially what you're saying as well is that you know,

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01:17:39,535 --> 01:17:41,855
Speaker 6: if someone has built a building and it's for their

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01:17:42,095 --> 01:17:46,335
Speaker 6: use and it's not a public building, it's a private building,

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01:17:47,415 --> 01:17:50,215
Speaker 6: and they're prepared to take the risk, then maybe the

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01:17:50,335 --> 01:17:53,335
Speaker 6: risks should sit with them, Whereas when council get involved

1313
01:17:53,735 --> 01:17:56,455
Speaker 6: and they're looking after rate payers, money because if it

1314
01:17:56,535 --> 01:17:59,375
Speaker 6: goes wrong, they're paying out rate payers money. That's where

1315
01:17:59,415 --> 01:18:02,015
Speaker 6: they become much more risk averse. And as a ratepayer,

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01:18:02,175 --> 01:18:05,095
Speaker 6: we kind of want them to be, don't we. Oh

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01:18:05,735 --> 01:18:08,135
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? So, yeah, we don't.

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01:18:09,335 --> 01:18:11,455
Speaker 12: People's fact and.

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01:18:11,535 --> 01:18:13,975
Speaker 6: In the same way, you know, maybe it's not unreasonable.

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01:18:13,975 --> 01:18:15,575
Speaker 6: We've just had a quick text on this as well,

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01:18:15,735 --> 01:18:18,535
Speaker 6: you know, like we've got fire alarms, fire exit signs

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01:18:18,535 --> 01:18:21,335
Speaker 6: and firefighting gear in our workshop. It's just health and safety.

1323
01:18:21,695 --> 01:18:23,895
Speaker 6: I would want them as well in a workshop.

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01:18:26,215 --> 01:18:30,095
Speaker 12: Well, Peter, you know, you you have a fire alarm

1325
01:18:30,175 --> 01:18:32,935
Speaker 12: and things, and then you've got a fire extincture and

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01:18:33,855 --> 01:18:36,175
Speaker 12: have a look above the fire alarm the core point

1327
01:18:36,255 --> 01:18:38,735
Speaker 12: and it says in case of fire ring one on

1328
01:18:38,935 --> 01:18:41,335
Speaker 12: one and get out of the building, the stay what's

1329
01:18:41,335 --> 01:18:44,015
Speaker 12: the fire extinguish are doing beside it? What's that telling

1330
01:18:44,095 --> 01:18:46,095
Speaker 12: you do? Pick it up and try and put the

1331
01:18:46,175 --> 01:18:50,975
Speaker 12: fire round. Now, those fire extinguishs have been taken out

1332
01:18:51,015 --> 01:18:51,975
Speaker 12: of commercial.

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01:18:53,895 --> 01:18:57,215
Speaker 6: In the same way they don't often put fire hoses

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01:18:57,415 --> 01:18:59,535
Speaker 6: into commercial buildings anymore either.

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01:19:00,495 --> 01:19:05,615
Speaker 12: Not require you know, because basically people's lives are at

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01:19:05,735 --> 01:19:10,855
Speaker 12: resk if you haven't person to operate the fire extinguish.

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01:19:11,895 --> 01:19:17,175
Speaker 12: They don't pull print out been Yeah, the fire in

1338
01:19:17,295 --> 01:19:21,815
Speaker 12: three minutes and that that regulation has and if you

1339
01:19:21,895 --> 01:19:26,495
Speaker 12: look at the fire people that fire sell fire extinguice

1340
01:19:26,575 --> 01:19:29,295
Speaker 12: is look at their report. It's a recommendation, it's not

1341
01:19:29,375 --> 01:19:30,175
Speaker 12: a requirement.

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01:19:30,375 --> 01:19:33,735
Speaker 6: Oh on, some really good points that you raise, and

1343
01:19:34,095 --> 01:19:38,735
Speaker 6: will continue to discuss this interesting though, Like I was

1344
01:19:38,775 --> 01:19:43,415
Speaker 6: involved in a no I'm aware of situation recently where

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01:19:43,495 --> 01:19:47,815
Speaker 6: there was the beginning of a fire and someone because

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01:19:47,855 --> 01:19:50,055
Speaker 6: they it's an older building and it still had a

1347
01:19:50,095 --> 01:19:53,255
Speaker 6: fire hose, they were able to put it out, and

1348
01:19:53,375 --> 01:19:55,975
Speaker 6: I guess without it then they would have had to wait.

1349
01:19:56,055 --> 01:19:59,295
Speaker 6: They'd already notified the brigade and they were on their way,

1350
01:19:59,695 --> 01:20:02,895
Speaker 6: but they were able to extinguish most of the fire

1351
01:20:02,975 --> 01:20:06,815
Speaker 6: before the firebreak gaate came. But that's unlo likely now

1352
01:20:06,815 --> 01:20:08,815
Speaker 6: in a modern building where I don't think they typically

1353
01:20:08,895 --> 01:20:11,215
Speaker 6: install fire hoses. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I

1354
01:20:11,295 --> 01:20:13,615
Speaker 6: think that's pretty much where we're heading. Nine minutes away

1355
01:20:13,655 --> 01:20:15,655
Speaker 6: from it. We'll be back with thee in just a moment.

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01:20:16,135 --> 01:20:18,495
Speaker 1: Doing of the house extorting the guard and asked feet

1357
01:20:18,575 --> 01:20:21,895
Speaker 1: for a hand. The resident builder with Peter wolfcap call

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01:20:21,975 --> 01:20:24,535
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred us dogs V.

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01:20:25,775 --> 01:20:28,335
Speaker 6: I'm just reading this text weld and guess this is

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01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:32,095
Speaker 6: someone talking about sort of workshops and having extinguishers and

1361
01:20:32,215 --> 01:20:37,055
Speaker 6: the potential for sort of flammable activity all materials. Weld

1362
01:20:37,055 --> 01:20:40,055
Speaker 6: will guess cut and use an extinguisher once or twice

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01:20:40,095 --> 01:20:43,695
Speaker 6: a year. Yes, we've also got extinguishers in our chemical shed.

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01:20:44,095 --> 01:20:46,255
Speaker 6: There's no way we're going in there. Even the Fire

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01:20:46,295 --> 01:20:49,535
Speaker 6: Brigade has a policy to let chemical sheds burn and

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01:20:49,735 --> 01:20:53,815
Speaker 6: maintain a safe zone. Makes sense to me, does. I

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01:20:53,895 --> 01:20:57,335
Speaker 6: had a job long time ago, like almost forty years ago,

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01:20:57,855 --> 01:21:02,535
Speaker 6: working as a laborer basically in an engineering shop, and

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01:21:03,175 --> 01:21:05,335
Speaker 6: one of the jobs we were doing was on top

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01:21:05,375 --> 01:21:09,815
Speaker 6: of a machine welding on an oil reservoir, And my

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01:21:10,015 --> 01:21:13,375
Speaker 6: job was to stand there with the fire extinguisher so

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01:21:13,495 --> 01:21:16,775
Speaker 6: that when the guy who's doing the welding the flames

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01:21:16,775 --> 01:21:20,415
Speaker 6: got too high, I would put them out and then

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01:21:20,495 --> 01:21:22,535
Speaker 6: he could carry on welding. Anyway, it was a long

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01:21:22,615 --> 01:21:25,935
Speaker 6: time ago. Don't text me and tell me it's unsafe.

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01:21:26,015 --> 01:21:30,375
Speaker 6: I know that it was a long time ago. Ian greetings, Oh,

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01:21:30,455 --> 01:21:30,895
Speaker 6: good morning.

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01:21:31,135 --> 01:21:35,535
Speaker 14: He interesting discussion. This morning's been good to listen to this.

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01:21:35,775 --> 01:21:37,975
Speaker 14: A bit of a change of subject. We've just bought

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01:21:38,415 --> 01:21:43,735
Speaker 14: an old bungalow and it's got a dechromatic roof tile

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01:21:43,815 --> 01:21:47,295
Speaker 14: on Y had it tested. It's got a bit of

1382
01:21:47,335 --> 01:21:52,175
Speaker 14: a spestos in it, and we're just considering what whether

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01:21:52,375 --> 01:21:58,335
Speaker 14: we replace the roof with new roofing or go for

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01:21:58,455 --> 01:22:03,015
Speaker 14: one of the rubberized paint systems that seemed.

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01:22:02,775 --> 01:22:03,735
Speaker 16: To be around at the minute.

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01:22:03,895 --> 01:22:07,255
Speaker 14: And we're just interested in your opinion on I'm sure,

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01:22:07,975 --> 01:22:08,495
Speaker 14: I tell.

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01:22:08,335 --> 01:22:10,815
Speaker 6: You what what I'm sorry, what I realized is we're

1389
01:22:10,815 --> 01:22:12,895
Speaker 6: going to run into the news in about twenty seconds.

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01:22:12,975 --> 01:22:15,535
Speaker 6: Can I ask you to hold We'll come back straight

1391
01:22:15,615 --> 01:22:18,655
Speaker 6: after the news because there's I guess there's a couple

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01:22:18,695 --> 01:22:21,775
Speaker 6: of alternatives that we can discuss, So just stay with

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01:22:21,935 --> 01:22:25,255
Speaker 6: us and we'll come back straight after news, Sport and weather,

1394
01:22:25,335 --> 01:22:27,775
Speaker 6: which is on the way in the next hour as well.

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01:22:27,775 --> 01:22:29,015
Speaker 6: We're going to have a bit of a chat with

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01:22:29,255 --> 01:22:34,015
Speaker 6: a town planner around you know what happens when designs

1397
01:22:34,055 --> 01:22:37,855
Speaker 6: and buildings get turned down. That's a bit topical at

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01:22:37,895 --> 01:22:40,055
Speaker 6: the moment, so we'll do that after the news at eight.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling fixings or wondering how to

1400
01:22:43,535 --> 01:22:45,615
Speaker 1: fix that hole in the wall, you have Peter wolf

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01:22:45,695 --> 01:22:46,455
Speaker 1: Camp call on.

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01:22:48,135 --> 01:22:52,295
Speaker 6: Eighty the resident filder on News Dogs, your News Talks.

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01:22:52,295 --> 01:22:54,255
Speaker 6: There'd be Pete wolf Camp with you this morning. Couple

1404
01:22:54,255 --> 01:22:55,775
Speaker 6: of things coming up. We're going to have a bit

1405
01:22:55,775 --> 01:22:58,215
Speaker 6: of a chat with Hamish first. Now, Hamish is a

1406
01:22:58,335 --> 01:23:00,135
Speaker 6: town planner. He's been on the show a couple of

1407
01:23:00,215 --> 01:23:04,895
Speaker 6: times because of his expertise around resource consents and planning

1408
01:23:04,975 --> 01:23:07,135
Speaker 6: issues and that sort of thing which packed on most

1409
01:23:07,215 --> 01:23:11,055
Speaker 6: of us. And I caught that story the other day

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01:23:11,095 --> 01:23:14,455
Speaker 6: about a new development in k Road being turned down

1411
01:23:14,575 --> 01:23:18,295
Speaker 6: by the sort of planning commission for Auckland Council because

1412
01:23:18,455 --> 01:23:22,215
Speaker 6: it didn't meet the requirements right in terms of heritage

1413
01:23:22,375 --> 01:23:25,015
Speaker 6: or height or appearance and da da da da da.

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01:23:25,775 --> 01:23:28,175
Speaker 6: So I just wanted to touch base with him to

1415
01:23:28,295 --> 01:23:31,935
Speaker 6: give some general guidelines around that. So we'll do that shortly.

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01:23:32,055 --> 01:23:34,495
Speaker 6: But just before the news we were talking with Ian

1417
01:23:34,735 --> 01:23:38,935
Speaker 6: about his dechromastic roof. Has Ian still there was He gone,

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01:23:39,495 --> 01:23:44,495
Speaker 6: he's gone, oh okay, not to worry. So Ian was

1419
01:23:44,495 --> 01:23:48,815
Speaker 6: talking about dechromastic roof, which is probably forty odd years old.

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01:23:50,055 --> 01:23:53,615
Speaker 6: It's got some asbestos in it which makes removal quite expensive.

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01:23:54,895 --> 01:23:57,895
Speaker 6: The last one that I have some awareness of sort

1422
01:23:57,895 --> 01:24:00,055
Speaker 6: of the removal of the roof went from maybe one

1423
01:24:00,095 --> 01:24:03,615
Speaker 6: thousand dollars for just the labor and tip f to

1424
01:24:04,375 --> 01:24:06,655
Speaker 6: I think it was about sixteen thousand dollars as an

1425
01:24:06,695 --> 01:24:12,735
Speaker 6: exercise to remove reasonably sized roof quite high obviously, but

1426
01:24:12,895 --> 01:24:14,855
Speaker 6: because it had asbestos and needed to go to a

1427
01:24:14,895 --> 01:24:17,815
Speaker 6: special tip site, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, it

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01:24:18,255 --> 01:24:21,055
Speaker 6: became expensive. So in this case, I'm just oh Ian's

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01:24:21,095 --> 01:24:24,375
Speaker 6: back with us, which is awesome. Ian greetings, Oh, good morning,

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01:24:24,375 --> 01:24:26,855
Speaker 6: good morning, Petter. Hey, good on you for testing the roof.

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01:24:26,975 --> 01:24:30,095
Speaker 6: So it's a dechroymastic type roof, so a metal tile

1432
01:24:30,295 --> 01:24:33,335
Speaker 6: with like the chip sprayed onto it. It's obviously getting

1433
01:24:33,455 --> 01:24:35,735
Speaker 6: to the end of its life. You've had it tested.

1434
01:24:35,855 --> 01:24:38,095
Speaker 6: It's got some asbestos in it, which means, as I

1435
01:24:38,215 --> 01:24:42,015
Speaker 6: just mentioned that, the you know, the cost of removal

1436
01:24:42,295 --> 01:24:45,415
Speaker 6: goes from maybe a thousand bucks to fifteen or sixteen

1437
01:24:45,495 --> 01:24:48,855
Speaker 6: thousand dollars, so it's really tempted to leave it there.

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01:24:50,015 --> 01:24:52,375
Speaker 6: The biggest issue that I often have with them is

1439
01:24:52,495 --> 01:24:56,055
Speaker 6: that typically what happens is when people walk around on

1440
01:24:56,215 --> 01:24:58,735
Speaker 6: those types of roofs, they don't know where to stand

1441
01:24:59,295 --> 01:25:00,975
Speaker 6: and so they end up walking in the middle of

1442
01:25:01,015 --> 01:25:03,975
Speaker 6: the tile. They crease the ridge and the tile, and

1443
01:25:04,095 --> 01:25:08,695
Speaker 6: that causes it to shear right, to actually split, and

1444
01:25:08,815 --> 01:25:11,135
Speaker 6: there's not a lot that you can do about that.

1445
01:25:11,295 --> 01:25:14,135
Speaker 6: You can try and panel beat it from underneath and that,

1446
01:25:14,375 --> 01:25:17,135
Speaker 6: but you'll always have a tear in there, which case,

1447
01:25:17,215 --> 01:25:19,175
Speaker 6: if you were to coat it, you're relying on the

1448
01:25:19,335 --> 01:25:23,255
Speaker 6: coat and the coating to seal that gap. And I

1449
01:25:23,335 --> 01:25:25,935
Speaker 6: think that's a little bit of an ask. If the

1450
01:25:26,055 --> 01:25:28,975
Speaker 6: roof is actually in reasonable condition, i e. Not that

1451
01:25:29,135 --> 01:25:33,015
Speaker 6: many people have stomped around up there, then yeah, potentially

1452
01:25:33,175 --> 01:25:36,455
Speaker 6: coating it will give you more time. You know, you

1453
01:25:36,575 --> 01:25:38,695
Speaker 6: might get another ten or fifteen years out of the

1454
01:25:38,775 --> 01:25:42,375
Speaker 6: roof if you give it a really good coating. But

1455
01:25:42,615 --> 01:25:48,375
Speaker 6: ultimately it probably needs replacement, and the replacement can often

1456
01:25:48,455 --> 01:25:53,575
Speaker 6: get a bit complex because the existing metal tile will

1457
01:25:53,655 --> 01:25:56,815
Speaker 6: be onto a baton, which is like a two B one,

1458
01:25:58,095 --> 01:26:00,415
Speaker 6: whereas if you were going to do Corrigoi dine or

1459
01:26:00,495 --> 01:26:03,375
Speaker 6: long run iron on there, you'll need to replace those

1460
01:26:03,455 --> 01:26:08,815
Speaker 6: battons with peerlins. You should be able to do it

1461
01:26:08,935 --> 01:26:11,415
Speaker 6: underschedule one of the Act, which means you don't necessarily

1462
01:26:11,535 --> 01:26:14,855
Speaker 6: need a consent for it. But you will need to

1463
01:26:14,895 --> 01:26:18,215
Speaker 6: strip the roof, strip some of the batons, relay the

1464
01:26:18,295 --> 01:26:20,375
Speaker 6: perlins that will lift the roof up, so you might

1465
01:26:20,455 --> 01:26:23,055
Speaker 6: have to change the facier and the spouting. You can

1466
01:26:23,175 --> 01:26:26,095
Speaker 6: see how this just gets bigger, bigger and bigger.

1467
01:26:26,055 --> 01:26:30,135
Speaker 16: That's right. Yeah, So we've had a couple of quotes

1468
01:26:30,175 --> 01:26:32,775
Speaker 16: and there's a huge difference in price. So yeah, it's

1469
01:26:32,815 --> 01:26:37,215
Speaker 16: quite a big roof. But so we've had pricing ranging

1470
01:26:37,295 --> 01:26:41,615
Speaker 16: from up to sixty thousand for a new roof and

1471
01:26:42,055 --> 01:26:46,655
Speaker 16: I'm not sure that that covers spouting and down types

1472
01:26:46,695 --> 01:26:51,375
Speaker 16: and faceboards and like that through to you know, maybe

1473
01:26:51,415 --> 01:26:55,335
Speaker 16: ten or fifteen grand for a new sort of quoting.

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01:26:57,335 --> 01:26:59,535
Speaker 16: So huge difference in price.

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01:26:59,615 --> 01:27:02,415
Speaker 6: Oh, it's massive, and you know that's a lot of

1476
01:27:02,455 --> 01:27:04,135
Speaker 6: money that you've got to find, right, there's a lot

1477
01:27:04,135 --> 01:27:07,095
Speaker 6: of money to inject into the property. I mean, it's interesting.

1478
01:27:07,135 --> 01:27:08,935
Speaker 6: I just got a text from a contractor that I

1479
01:27:09,255 --> 01:27:11,455
Speaker 6: have worked with for a number of years and I

1480
01:27:11,655 --> 01:27:16,335
Speaker 6: hold in quite high regard to be fair, very experienced,

1481
01:27:16,615 --> 01:27:19,615
Speaker 6: very knowledgeable, and he just texts because we've been talking

1482
01:27:19,615 --> 01:27:22,095
Speaker 6: a little bit about roof ceiling on the program. He said, look,

1483
01:27:22,415 --> 01:27:25,855
Speaker 6: I've just been on a roof where the owners had

1484
01:27:25,895 --> 01:27:31,455
Speaker 6: it coated with a sealant and he said, it's just

1485
01:27:31,615 --> 01:27:36,055
Speaker 6: a sticky, gooey mess. Yes, this is months after the

1486
01:27:36,135 --> 01:27:40,535
Speaker 6: coating went on. Now, in this particular instance.

1487
01:27:41,735 --> 01:27:44,655
Speaker 16: Been made over the top of the old iron roof

1488
01:27:44,735 --> 01:27:46,735
Speaker 16: as well. Does that make any difference do we need

1489
01:27:46,815 --> 01:27:48,055
Speaker 16: to take No, it's.

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01:27:48,015 --> 01:27:50,935
Speaker 6: Not a great idea, to be fair, you get issues

1491
01:27:51,015 --> 01:27:55,255
Speaker 6: with condensation and fixings and it's not uncommon. In fact,

1492
01:27:55,335 --> 01:27:58,815
Speaker 6: what you might find is that, depending on the age

1493
01:27:58,855 --> 01:28:01,575
Speaker 6: of the house, your dechromatic roof for want of a

1494
01:28:01,655 --> 01:28:04,775
Speaker 6: better term, might actually be laid over the top of

1495
01:28:04,855 --> 01:28:07,815
Speaker 6: an old iron roof that on a number of occasions.

1496
01:28:08,415 --> 01:28:09,935
Speaker 16: That's what I believe is the case.

1497
01:28:10,335 --> 01:28:14,895
Speaker 6: Really, Okay, so you've actually got to take off two roofs. Yes.

1498
01:28:16,815 --> 01:28:18,775
Speaker 6: What it will mean though, is that there will be

1499
01:28:18,935 --> 01:28:22,855
Speaker 6: perlins underneath the old roof. So that whole issue around

1500
01:28:23,015 --> 01:28:26,775
Speaker 6: height might actually not be an issue in terms of

1501
01:28:27,095 --> 01:28:29,455
Speaker 6: where you probably need to replace the spouting, but you

1502
01:28:29,575 --> 01:28:31,535
Speaker 6: may not need to go through and adjust all of

1503
01:28:31,615 --> 01:28:35,855
Speaker 6: the faces and that sort of thing. So look, if

1504
01:28:35,895 --> 01:28:38,055
Speaker 6: you are going to go down the ceiling pathway, I

1505
01:28:38,135 --> 01:28:43,255
Speaker 6: think you need to be really really diligent around which contractor,

1506
01:28:43,695 --> 01:28:46,895
Speaker 6: how well they do the preparation, what the warranties are,

1507
01:28:47,015 --> 01:28:50,335
Speaker 6: what the you know, the state of the company is

1508
01:28:50,415 --> 01:28:51,935
Speaker 6: to ensure that they're not a bit of a fly

1509
01:28:52,095 --> 01:28:56,375
Speaker 6: by night. And then if you've satisfied yourself that it's

1510
01:28:56,615 --> 01:28:59,615
Speaker 6: going to be durable and give you another ten years,

1511
01:28:59,695 --> 01:29:01,975
Speaker 6: then by all means go for it. But you know

1512
01:29:02,895 --> 01:29:05,535
Speaker 6: it might also feel like you're just putting off the inevitable.

1513
01:29:08,095 --> 01:29:11,015
Speaker 6: All the best I leave you those options. Take care.

1514
01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:12,735
Speaker 6: We're going to take a short break. Then we're talking

1515
01:29:12,815 --> 01:29:15,655
Speaker 6: with Hamish Firth Planner in just a moment.

1516
01:29:16,495 --> 01:29:20,095
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, Get the right advice from

1517
01:29:20,175 --> 01:29:23,375
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on NEWSTALKSB.

1518
01:29:24,695 --> 01:29:27,775
Speaker 6: Change of season still means getting into the garden as

1519
01:29:27,815 --> 01:29:31,175
Speaker 6: we roll into autumn, and if it's outdoor power equipment

1520
01:29:31,215 --> 01:29:34,255
Speaker 6: you're looking for for keeping the garden in shape, then

1521
01:29:34,415 --> 01:29:37,135
Speaker 6: still Shop is the place where you will get expert

1522
01:29:37,215 --> 01:29:41,175
Speaker 6: advice and equipment fully assembled, fueled up or charged up

1523
01:29:41,255 --> 01:29:43,655
Speaker 6: and ready to go. Not everyone can offer you that.

1524
01:29:44,375 --> 01:29:47,735
Speaker 6: Autumn also means free upgrades. At still Shop, they've taken

1525
01:29:47,895 --> 01:29:50,415
Speaker 6: all of their top sellers and are offering a free

1526
01:29:50,615 --> 01:29:53,295
Speaker 6: upgrade to an upgraded model. So how good is that?

1527
01:29:53,815 --> 01:29:56,095
Speaker 6: Here's the best seller list. Maybe a chainsaw, maybe a

1528
01:29:56,175 --> 01:29:58,575
Speaker 6: water blaster, maybe a hedge trim or a line trim,

1529
01:29:58,735 --> 01:30:01,055
Speaker 6: or a lawn mower. And then when the lawns are done,

1530
01:30:01,215 --> 01:30:03,855
Speaker 6: you need to get yourself a blower vac free autumn

1531
01:30:03,975 --> 01:30:06,975
Speaker 6: upgrades from still shops right across the county. Visit one

1532
01:30:07,175 --> 01:30:10,775
Speaker 6: near you this weekend shop and store or online with

1533
01:30:10,855 --> 01:30:14,295
Speaker 6: a speedy click and collect or home delivery.

1534
01:30:15,375 --> 01:30:17,375
Speaker 9: News talk ZB righty.

1535
01:30:17,455 --> 01:30:17,535
Speaker 14: Oh.

1536
01:30:17,695 --> 01:30:20,375
Speaker 6: Now, A story that got my attention during the course

1537
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:24,095
Speaker 6: of the week was an application by a developer, in

1538
01:30:24,175 --> 01:30:26,575
Speaker 6: this case Kirkpatrick Group. I think it was to do

1539
01:30:27,415 --> 01:30:31,935
Speaker 6: an eleven story building on a vacant lot on K

1540
01:30:32,175 --> 01:30:34,575
Speaker 6: Road towards the Pontsmbe Road end if you know Auckland.

1541
01:30:35,495 --> 01:30:38,655
Speaker 6: It was going to be an exemplar I guess of

1542
01:30:38,775 --> 01:30:42,895
Speaker 6: some really innovative and sustainable technology. So the building was

1543
01:30:42,935 --> 01:30:46,495
Speaker 6: eleven stories. It's I think it was going to be colt,

1544
01:30:47,015 --> 01:30:50,135
Speaker 6: so a timber structure eleven stories high. We don't have

1545
01:30:50,335 --> 01:30:52,655
Speaker 6: any of those in the country. It was going to

1546
01:30:52,855 --> 01:30:56,375
Speaker 6: get a Green Star rating, a six green star rating,

1547
01:30:56,495 --> 01:31:02,175
Speaker 6: so it's a sustainable, environmentally friendly building. And it was

1548
01:31:02,295 --> 01:31:05,655
Speaker 6: submitted to Auckland Council. That goes to a planning committee

1549
01:31:05,695 --> 01:31:09,215
Speaker 6: I think, and they've turned it down. So what happens

1550
01:31:09,335 --> 01:31:11,495
Speaker 6: in these situations? So a very good morning to you,

1551
01:31:11,695 --> 01:31:16,375
Speaker 6: Hamish Firth from Mount Holbson Group. Thanks for joining us again. Hamish,

1552
01:31:16,415 --> 01:31:17,815
Speaker 6: you've been with us a couple of times on the

1553
01:31:17,855 --> 01:31:23,735
Speaker 6: show because of your expert knowledge in this area. And

1554
01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:27,575
Speaker 6: I you and I know that you guys are acting

1555
01:31:27,655 --> 01:31:31,015
Speaker 6: for the developer in terms of preparing the submission, so

1556
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:34,415
Speaker 6: we recognize your involvement with it. But in these cases,

1557
01:31:34,535 --> 01:31:37,975
Speaker 6: what happens when you know you've prepared an application goes

1558
01:31:38,015 --> 01:31:42,175
Speaker 6: to the planning Commission. Who's the planning commission? What's the process?

1559
01:31:42,295 --> 01:31:43,135
Speaker 6: What happens? Hamish?

1560
01:31:44,175 --> 01:31:48,575
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's on. Pete, good morning. I'm the application was

1561
01:31:48,655 --> 01:31:50,855
Speaker 7: lodged yet, can you yeah, go for it?

1562
01:31:52,935 --> 01:31:53,135
Speaker 6: Hello?

1563
01:31:53,255 --> 01:31:53,695
Speaker 11: Can you hear me?

1564
01:31:53,775 --> 01:31:54,255
Speaker 7: Sorry? Pete?

1565
01:31:54,255 --> 01:31:55,735
Speaker 6: Hello, I've got you now, Hamish?

1566
01:31:56,415 --> 01:31:56,775
Speaker 8: All right.

1567
01:31:56,975 --> 01:32:00,535
Speaker 7: So the application was lodged in twenty twenty three and

1568
01:32:00,935 --> 01:32:03,655
Speaker 7: it was publicly notified, so that allowed members of the

1569
01:32:03,655 --> 01:32:08,655
Speaker 7: public to make submissions. Yes, And in late twenty twenty

1570
01:32:08,775 --> 01:32:13,255
Speaker 7: four a hearing was held where three independent commissioners who

1571
01:32:13,295 --> 01:32:17,175
Speaker 7: were appointed decided to decline the application.

1572
01:32:18,455 --> 01:32:18,615
Speaker 14: Right.

1573
01:32:19,615 --> 01:32:23,175
Speaker 7: We have then appealed that to the Environment Court and

1574
01:32:23,815 --> 01:32:27,615
Speaker 7: we will have mediation. The first step of any environment

1575
01:32:27,695 --> 01:32:30,895
Speaker 7: called process is mediation, and we'll probably have that sometime

1576
01:32:31,015 --> 01:32:33,695
Speaker 7: in May. But if I can take you back a step,

1577
01:32:34,535 --> 01:32:38,735
Speaker 7: what if the existing rules of the old rules, which

1578
01:32:38,775 --> 01:32:42,175
Speaker 7: were probably established in the late nineties for the CBD,

1579
01:32:44,215 --> 01:32:48,575
Speaker 7: have been superseded in part in twenty twenty two when

1580
01:32:48,615 --> 01:32:51,975
Speaker 7: a planed change came out to allow for more intensive

1581
01:32:52,015 --> 01:32:57,935
Speaker 7: buildings in this area. This application relied very heavily on

1582
01:32:58,055 --> 01:33:04,135
Speaker 7: the new rules. Yes, three years later, those new rules

1583
01:33:04,215 --> 01:33:07,295
Speaker 7: are still not in place or in four because Council

1584
01:33:07,375 --> 01:33:11,935
Speaker 7: has not made a decision. So we were told that

1585
01:33:12,215 --> 01:33:16,895
Speaker 7: these rules would be in place in April twenty twenty four. Now,

1586
01:33:17,015 --> 01:33:20,975
Speaker 7: because the rules aren't in place effectively, we have to

1587
01:33:21,055 --> 01:33:23,215
Speaker 7: go back and use the old rules, which are now

1588
01:33:23,295 --> 01:33:27,455
Speaker 7: some twenty five thirty years old, and they become the

1589
01:33:27,495 --> 01:33:32,055
Speaker 7: default position. So the issue here is probably not that

1590
01:33:32,175 --> 01:33:35,335
Speaker 7: the building can be approved or should be approved, or

1591
01:33:35,375 --> 01:33:38,535
Speaker 7: will be approved under appeal. It's the fact that the

1592
01:33:38,615 --> 01:33:41,895
Speaker 7: baseline was the old rules and that the new rules

1593
01:33:42,015 --> 01:33:45,135
Speaker 7: haven't been given effect to and it's taken an awfree

1594
01:33:45,175 --> 01:33:48,855
Speaker 7: long time and are still not in effect.

1595
01:33:50,175 --> 01:33:54,055
Speaker 6: Right and yet obviously if the new rules were put before,

1596
01:33:54,295 --> 01:33:58,055
Speaker 6: created by Council, why haven't they adopted them if they

1597
01:33:58,215 --> 01:34:02,775
Speaker 6: wanted the rules to change to allow intensification in urban

1598
01:34:02,855 --> 01:34:06,775
Speaker 6: areas close to transport hubs. And I guess this Bishop

1599
01:34:07,215 --> 01:34:10,775
Speaker 6: as Minister, has been quite vocal and quite blunt in

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01:34:10,855 --> 01:34:14,815
Speaker 6: his assessment, calling this sort of thing insanity, given that

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01:34:15,135 --> 01:34:18,935
Speaker 6: what we're after is intensification in the city near transport hubs.

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01:34:18,975 --> 01:34:22,775
Speaker 6: And Auckland's just spent almost five billion dollars creating a

1603
01:34:22,855 --> 01:34:25,975
Speaker 6: rail link and now we can't have tall buildings near it.

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01:34:27,335 --> 01:34:30,775
Speaker 7: So I've heard Minister Seymour, I've heard Minister Jones, and

1605
01:34:30,815 --> 01:34:37,695
Speaker 7: I've heard Minister Bishop pontificate and rattle their change about

1606
01:34:37,735 --> 01:34:41,055
Speaker 7: how these things are inappropriate. What Council does is it

1607
01:34:41,135 --> 01:34:43,095
Speaker 7: goes back to the Bible and it says, here's the

1608
01:34:43,175 --> 01:34:46,895
Speaker 7: process we have to follow. So until the process is changed,

1609
01:34:48,055 --> 01:34:51,055
Speaker 7: Council follow the letter of the law. And that's what

1610
01:34:51,175 --> 01:34:54,655
Speaker 7: they've done. And I think that this is tragically an

1611
01:34:54,735 --> 01:34:58,175
Speaker 7: example that is all over the country where our innovation,

1612
01:34:58,535 --> 01:35:03,095
Speaker 7: our progress is held back by the fact that the

1613
01:35:03,215 --> 01:35:08,495
Speaker 7: bureaucracy slows things down. I'm comfortable we make a judgment

1614
01:35:08,615 --> 01:35:10,735
Speaker 7: call on whether it's right against a new set of rules,

1615
01:35:10,815 --> 01:35:14,255
Speaker 7: But what we need is those rules to become operative

1616
01:35:14,495 --> 01:35:17,575
Speaker 7: or enforced much quicker. So I think we have to

1617
01:35:17,615 --> 01:35:19,735
Speaker 7: work backwards and say all of these processes to take

1618
01:35:19,855 --> 01:35:22,495
Speaker 7: no longer than one year, and we work backwards from

1619
01:35:22,575 --> 01:35:24,695
Speaker 7: hearing in one year's time, and then we make it

1620
01:35:24,815 --> 01:35:28,055
Speaker 7: more streamlined. So what you've got, as with Plan Change

1621
01:35:28,095 --> 01:35:30,655
Speaker 7: seventy eight is everybody's gone on hold because the new

1622
01:35:30,735 --> 01:35:33,775
Speaker 7: rules allow two or three or four times more development,

1623
01:35:34,495 --> 01:35:38,455
Speaker 7: and everybody's weighted and weighted and waited. So you've actually

1624
01:35:38,495 --> 01:35:43,815
Speaker 7: put economic development on hold through bureau but the slowness

1625
01:35:43,855 --> 01:35:45,015
Speaker 7: of the bureaucratic process.

1626
01:35:46,055 --> 01:35:48,135
Speaker 6: So just to be really clear on this, So in

1627
01:35:48,255 --> 01:35:51,495
Speaker 6: this case we're talking about Auckland councils specifically. So Auckland

1628
01:35:51,535 --> 01:35:54,775
Speaker 6: Council looking to the future goes, we're going to change

1629
01:35:54,855 --> 01:35:59,455
Speaker 6: planning regulations because we want more intensification in the right

1630
01:35:59,575 --> 01:36:03,655
Speaker 6: areas and that's often related to transport and amenity. So

1631
01:36:03,775 --> 01:36:07,335
Speaker 6: they want it, so they set out a new set

1632
01:36:07,375 --> 01:36:10,935
Speaker 6: of plan changes or propose them, but then they don't

1633
01:36:10,935 --> 01:36:14,215
Speaker 6: adopt them. So what's the hold up between we want this,

1634
01:36:14,455 --> 01:36:17,095
Speaker 6: but we're not going to adopt it. What's the gap there?

1635
01:36:20,295 --> 01:36:22,815
Speaker 7: If I knew the answer to that, team, we'll have

1636
01:36:22,895 --> 01:36:25,615
Speaker 7: solved everything. And I think I came back to you.

1637
01:36:25,895 --> 01:36:28,375
Speaker 7: What we actually need is a change in legal regime

1638
01:36:28,455 --> 01:36:32,295
Speaker 7: at the government level which requires these processes to be

1639
01:36:32,455 --> 01:36:36,455
Speaker 7: quicker and to be adopted quicker or not adopted quicker.

1640
01:36:36,695 --> 01:36:41,255
Speaker 7: So we want we want certainty faster. And I think

1641
01:36:41,295 --> 01:36:43,335
Speaker 7: if this also correlates to a really good I few

1642
01:36:43,335 --> 01:36:45,775
Speaker 7: you guys have been discussing today, which is RFIs on

1643
01:36:45,815 --> 01:36:48,655
Speaker 7: building consents and if we just trip this all back.

1644
01:36:48,935 --> 01:36:51,975
Speaker 7: The complaints are that there's rafies that come on the

1645
01:36:52,055 --> 01:36:55,175
Speaker 7: nineteenth day, yes, and that there's what you might say

1646
01:36:55,215 --> 01:36:58,695
Speaker 7: subjective RFIs, so a different a building officer may have

1647
01:36:58,735 --> 01:37:01,535
Speaker 7: a different level of experience or a different interpretation. So

1648
01:37:01,655 --> 01:37:04,135
Speaker 7: the solution is, or if you break it really down,

1649
01:37:04,375 --> 01:37:06,095
Speaker 7: we want we don't mind if there's rfies. I think

1650
01:37:06,095 --> 01:37:09,455
Speaker 7: it's really important that plans are drawn correctly following a

1651
01:37:09,535 --> 01:37:12,255
Speaker 7: process through. So what we're asking for is RFI is

1652
01:37:12,295 --> 01:37:14,535
Speaker 7: to be made within say five work days, and need

1653
01:37:14,575 --> 01:37:17,335
Speaker 7: to be a consistency in approach, and I think the

1654
01:37:17,415 --> 01:37:18,855
Speaker 7: only way we're going to get that, and Pete, we

1655
01:37:18,935 --> 01:37:22,695
Speaker 7: have touched on this before is technology. So plans are scanned,

1656
01:37:23,575 --> 01:37:26,695
Speaker 7: a computer program reads them, and the same decision will

1657
01:37:26,695 --> 01:37:28,735
Speaker 7: pop out every time. You'll always have the humans. There

1658
01:37:28,815 --> 01:37:30,575
Speaker 7: is the backstop or the final check. So you're not

1659
01:37:30,655 --> 01:37:33,255
Speaker 7: losing jobs, you're just speeding up the process and making

1660
01:37:33,295 --> 01:37:37,735
Speaker 7: it more consistent. It's the same thing with this RAMA processes.

1661
01:37:38,015 --> 01:37:38,855
Speaker 14: Recently up north.

1662
01:37:38,935 --> 01:37:42,095
Speaker 7: You may be aware in Kitty Kitty a public boat

1663
01:37:42,175 --> 01:37:46,335
Speaker 7: ramp has also been declined because so for the public good,

1664
01:37:46,415 --> 01:37:50,535
Speaker 7: because the necessary legislation has not been changed to allow

1665
01:37:50,695 --> 01:37:53,615
Speaker 7: these things to happen in a much easier way. And

1666
01:37:53,775 --> 01:37:54,975
Speaker 7: so I think what we need to do is we

1667
01:37:55,015 --> 01:37:56,695
Speaker 7: need to look at these things much more careful. And

1668
01:37:56,735 --> 01:37:59,295
Speaker 7: so it's the legal process at the top of the

1669
01:37:59,415 --> 01:38:04,215
Speaker 7: tree which are forcing the local government's hands to decline.

1670
01:38:05,015 --> 01:38:06,695
Speaker 6: And when you say the legal pro is at the

1671
01:38:06,775 --> 01:38:09,535
Speaker 6: top of the tree, this is effectively government as a

1672
01:38:10,375 --> 01:38:14,935
Speaker 6: nationwide government policies that are not changing. That's where it

1673
01:38:15,215 --> 01:38:15,895
Speaker 6: is being held out.

1674
01:38:15,935 --> 01:38:18,175
Speaker 7: To make plan you're allowed to make plan changes and

1675
01:38:18,215 --> 01:38:22,895
Speaker 7: resource consents, and the RAMA or the planning legislation directs

1676
01:38:22,935 --> 01:38:25,575
Speaker 7: how they're made. So if you want to allow boat

1677
01:38:25,615 --> 01:38:29,015
Speaker 7: remps and eleven meter eleven story buildings are massed in

1678
01:38:29,055 --> 01:38:31,695
Speaker 7: the buildings very limit of buildings to go ahead, you

1679
01:38:31,895 --> 01:38:35,295
Speaker 7: need to have processes within the RIMA that allow council

1680
01:38:35,335 --> 01:38:38,735
Speaker 7: to flexibilities and the speed in which to make changes

1681
01:38:39,255 --> 01:38:40,735
Speaker 7: are appropriate changes.

1682
01:38:41,695 --> 01:38:44,135
Speaker 6: Just in terms of this particular building, you know, concerns

1683
01:38:44,135 --> 01:38:50,135
Speaker 6: around heritage. Again, you know, I can't see it, and

1684
01:38:50,295 --> 01:38:54,455
Speaker 6: I'm all for heritage, right but given that there was

1685
01:38:54,695 --> 01:38:57,055
Speaker 6: well there's nothing there right now? What was there was

1686
01:38:57,135 --> 01:39:00,855
Speaker 6: not of any particular charm. Yes, it's in the heritage zone.

1687
01:39:01,095 --> 01:39:03,135
Speaker 6: I love k Road and in fact, I think it's

1688
01:39:03,255 --> 01:39:06,735
Speaker 6: much upgraded from what it used to be. But is

1689
01:39:06,855 --> 01:39:09,615
Speaker 6: this building in the location that it is kind of

1690
01:39:09,655 --> 01:39:12,095
Speaker 6: at the end of the strip. I mean, it doesn't

1691
01:39:12,175 --> 01:39:15,855
Speaker 6: feel like it's going to impinge on heritage in any

1692
01:39:15,935 --> 01:39:19,455
Speaker 6: significant way. But then, you know, I'm saying that as

1693
01:39:19,735 --> 01:39:22,975
Speaker 6: a chippee and a local res or a resident in

1694
01:39:23,055 --> 01:39:23,415
Speaker 6: a sense.

1695
01:39:23,495 --> 01:39:30,295
Speaker 7: But yeah, I find that what's really important context Across

1696
01:39:30,375 --> 01:39:32,775
Speaker 7: the road from US is an enormous mobile petrol station

1697
01:39:32,895 --> 01:39:35,695
Speaker 7: with a very large, flat, empty four court. Behind that

1698
01:39:36,015 --> 01:39:39,015
Speaker 7: is a watercre reservoir would probably be eight to ten

1699
01:39:39,095 --> 01:39:42,215
Speaker 7: meters high and is a solid concrete mass. On the

1700
01:39:42,295 --> 01:39:44,935
Speaker 7: other side of the road is another vacant site used

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01:39:44,935 --> 01:39:47,415
Speaker 7: by Wilson's for parking and a couple of digital billboards.

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01:39:48,335 --> 01:39:51,375
Speaker 7: Our site is vacant with hoardings, and the site beside

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01:39:51,455 --> 01:39:53,975
Speaker 7: us is a building with metal screens and billboards on it,

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01:39:54,375 --> 01:39:57,975
Speaker 7: So contextually there's not a lot of heritage. However, we're

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01:39:57,975 --> 01:40:01,255
Speaker 7: in the K Road Heritage precinct. So what the client

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01:40:01,335 --> 01:40:04,375
Speaker 7: did not a developer, an investor, long term investor holds

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01:40:04,415 --> 01:40:08,175
Speaker 7: property and has held property since thennineteen sixties. Nothing ever

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01:40:08,215 --> 01:40:11,095
Speaker 7: gets sold, and so they are not doing this in

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01:40:11,175 --> 01:40:14,535
Speaker 7: a speculative way. They chose probably the architect at the

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01:40:14,615 --> 01:40:17,615
Speaker 7: top of the tree fear and hate. They gave them

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01:40:17,655 --> 01:40:20,575
Speaker 7: a solid brief that had to recognize and respect the

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Speaker 7: heritage character. If you go anywhere in the world, you

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01:40:24,375 --> 01:40:28,255
Speaker 7: will see a modern interpretation of a building wedged between

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01:40:28,295 --> 01:40:33,615
Speaker 7: heritage buildings at times, which actually enhances the other heritage

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01:40:33,615 --> 01:40:38,375
Speaker 7: buildings by highlighting them through the contrast of difference. So

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01:40:38,575 --> 01:40:41,055
Speaker 7: if you look at their fine details of this building,

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01:40:41,455 --> 01:40:44,775
Speaker 7: the line, the verticals, the horizontals that have all been

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01:40:44,895 --> 01:40:48,175
Speaker 7: taken from Ques from the buildings along k Road. The

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01:40:48,255 --> 01:40:52,255
Speaker 7: proportions the window sizes that there is such a depth

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01:40:52,335 --> 01:40:56,015
Speaker 7: of detail that whilst it may not appear to be

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01:40:56,215 --> 01:41:01,535
Speaker 7: solid masonry and little tiny windows, it more than more

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01:41:01,615 --> 01:41:06,215
Speaker 7: than reflects a heritage and respect and also will highlight

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01:41:06,295 --> 01:41:09,815
Speaker 7: any other building in the nearby area and its heritage status.

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Speaker 6: And to be fair, if you wander a kilometer down

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01:41:13,655 --> 01:41:18,815
Speaker 6: Ponsby Road almost to the Franklin Road intersection there frank

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01:41:20,135 --> 01:41:23,735
Speaker 6: Richmond Road, you know there's a redevelopment on that corner

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01:41:23,855 --> 01:41:26,935
Speaker 6: with the old building and then it's wrapped around by

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01:41:27,015 --> 01:41:29,975
Speaker 6: new But it's one of my favorite buildings in Ponsby Road.

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Speaker 7: You get the right architect and you can do a

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01:41:32,375 --> 01:41:37,015
Speaker 7: wonderful job. And the architect has done a brilliant job

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01:41:37,135 --> 01:41:40,375
Speaker 7: here to respect the herod aqualities of the heritage in area.

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01:41:40,775 --> 01:41:43,095
Speaker 6: So where do you think this? So it's in the paper.

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01:41:43,215 --> 01:41:46,975
Speaker 6: It's suggested that now that the RMA or the resource

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01:41:47,015 --> 01:41:50,615
Speaker 6: consent has been declined by the Planning Commissioners, it will

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01:41:50,735 --> 01:41:53,255
Speaker 6: go to the Environment Court and that'll be mediation.

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01:41:54,735 --> 01:41:55,415
Speaker 9: Is that what happened?

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01:41:56,175 --> 01:41:58,095
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is, But what we really rely on or

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01:41:58,175 --> 01:42:01,455
Speaker 7: need is counsel to make a decision on Plan Change

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01:42:01,535 --> 01:42:04,455
Speaker 7: seventy eight for the CBD. Of all the submissions made

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01:42:04,495 --> 01:42:07,975
Speaker 7: on that plan change, this is the best place for growth,

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01:42:09,575 --> 01:42:12,695
Speaker 7: so let's get that out. The other process we've got

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01:42:12,775 --> 01:42:15,815
Speaker 7: to go through is what's called a possible fast track application,

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01:42:16,495 --> 01:42:19,775
Speaker 7: So we're investigating that right now. And that's another piece

1744
01:42:19,815 --> 01:42:24,175
Speaker 7: of legislation which speeds things up and gets you decisions,

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01:42:24,575 --> 01:42:28,015
Speaker 7: big decisions faster for regionally significant projects. This is one

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01:42:28,095 --> 01:42:30,695
Speaker 7: hundred million dollar project and what it does is you've

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01:42:30,695 --> 01:42:36,375
Speaker 7: built a five billion dollar city rail at karrang A

1748
01:42:36,535 --> 01:42:39,655
Speaker 7: Happy station is five hundred minutes from the site, so

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01:42:39,775 --> 01:42:41,615
Speaker 7: this will allow people to come in from all over

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01:42:41,695 --> 01:42:45,455
Speaker 7: West Auckland. Four five hundred thousand people stop there, walk

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01:42:45,615 --> 01:42:48,855
Speaker 7: or scooter up to this modern office building and get

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01:42:48,895 --> 01:42:55,295
Speaker 7: home again. This is why the CRL was constructed. So

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01:42:55,455 --> 01:42:59,655
Speaker 7: there is a real nexus between this building, the regeneration

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01:42:59,855 --> 01:43:02,015
Speaker 7: of this area, and in the station.

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01:43:03,895 --> 01:43:06,935
Speaker 6: Look, it's a great insight on please that we're able

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01:43:06,975 --> 01:43:10,055
Speaker 6: to have that discussion, and I recognize your direct involvement

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01:43:10,095 --> 01:43:12,615
Speaker 6: in it, but I think you've also presented it impartially

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01:43:12,655 --> 01:43:15,375
Speaker 6: and I really appreciate that we'll get you on because

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01:43:15,375 --> 01:43:17,975
Speaker 6: I've had so many planning questions, so I'll reach out

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01:43:18,055 --> 01:43:21,095
Speaker 6: for your expert advice again. Shortly, Hamish, thank you very

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01:43:21,175 --> 01:43:23,815
Speaker 6: much for your time. All the best, take care of

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01:43:24,455 --> 01:43:27,215
Speaker 6: you and news talk Seb. Let's jump into the garden

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01:43:27,295 --> 01:43:29,575
Speaker 6: the Red Clone past us with us. Actually just before

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01:43:29,575 --> 01:43:31,815
Speaker 6: we go to root, a little project that I've been

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01:43:31,855 --> 01:43:34,935
Speaker 6: working on is going to be available for you to

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01:43:35,055 --> 01:43:39,895
Speaker 6: watch later on tonight. I think so I did a

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01:43:39,975 --> 01:43:42,775
Speaker 6: project which I'm calling my host project. Host is the

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01:43:42,935 --> 01:43:46,695
Speaker 6: Dutch word for house. It's a renovation a little cottage.

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01:43:47,175 --> 01:43:48,935
Speaker 6: We did it a couple of years ago. Video that

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01:43:49,335 --> 01:43:51,655
Speaker 6: back then that I've kept the footage. I'm now going

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01:43:51,735 --> 01:43:53,455
Speaker 6: to release that. So we've made a bit of a

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01:43:53,535 --> 01:43:57,215
Speaker 6: story about this host project and from tonight you be

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01:43:57,255 --> 01:43:59,255
Speaker 6: able to look at that on YouTube. So check out

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01:43:59,295 --> 01:44:01,735
Speaker 6: my socials in terms of resident builder at Facebook or

1775
01:44:01,775 --> 01:44:04,575
Speaker 6: Instagram that'll give you the link, or just go directly

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01:44:04,735 --> 01:44:08,615
Speaker 6: to YouTube search for me reson build of Peter Wolfcamp.

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01:44:08,655 --> 01:44:12,575
Speaker 6: You'll find it there and the slightly longer format video

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01:44:12,775 --> 01:44:16,295
Speaker 6: so talking about the renovation and that sort of thing.

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01:44:16,415 --> 01:44:17,135
Speaker 6: So enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: It will be back with through it in just a moment,

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Speaker 1: Builder with Peter wolfcamf call oh eight hundred eighty ten

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