1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,467 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,627 --> 00:00:15,987 Speaker 2: dB popped up well daughter skip Ba for Jordy Barrett, 4 00:00:16,307 --> 00:00:21,507 Speaker 2: wasn't how good Top goes again? Try Romick Corner, Jordi Barren. 5 00:00:22,627 --> 00:00:26,587 Speaker 3: That was Jordy Barrett who had a try chalked off 6 00:00:26,627 --> 00:00:28,387 Speaker 3: earlier on for the knock on by Fiction and you'r 7 00:00:28,427 --> 00:00:30,947 Speaker 3: but did get himself won one of four tries that 8 00:00:31,107 --> 00:00:33,587 Speaker 3: the All Black scored last night form Allas number eight. 9 00:00:33,987 --> 00:00:36,747 Speaker 3: Paul Miller provided expert comments for us in our call 10 00:00:36,907 --> 00:00:40,067 Speaker 3: last night, and he joins us on Weekend Sport. Paul, 11 00:00:40,107 --> 00:00:42,787 Speaker 3: Great to see you last night and great day on 12 00:00:42,867 --> 00:00:45,427 Speaker 3: the show today. In general terms, first of all, before 13 00:00:45,467 --> 00:00:49,467 Speaker 3: we talk some specifics, how how should All Blacks fans 14 00:00:49,507 --> 00:00:51,427 Speaker 3: be feeling today about last night? 15 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:55,507 Speaker 2: Well? I think hey, FINEI and yeah, good afternoon. But 16 00:00:55,867 --> 00:01:00,187 Speaker 2: I think as fans they shouldn't feel too overly disappointed 17 00:01:00,387 --> 00:01:05,307 Speaker 2: this French team, even though it was stipulated that yes 18 00:01:05,387 --> 00:01:08,587 Speaker 2: it was, it was probably their b side. However, the 19 00:01:08,747 --> 00:01:13,227 Speaker 2: French flair, the instinctiveness of the players, the level of 20 00:01:13,267 --> 00:01:15,827 Speaker 2: their competition, they were always going to challenge the All Blacks, 21 00:01:15,867 --> 00:01:19,547 Speaker 2: and you touched on it initially. Yep, yes, All Blacks 22 00:01:19,587 --> 00:01:22,867 Speaker 2: were rusty in that first twenty But and I heard 23 00:01:22,907 --> 00:01:25,547 Speaker 2: a comment from Jason Ryan, like, you know, if it 24 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:27,787 Speaker 2: was a blowout score, there wouldn't be much to work 25 00:01:27,867 --> 00:01:29,747 Speaker 2: on and they would have missed those crucial things that 26 00:01:29,867 --> 00:01:32,547 Speaker 2: they definitely needed to work on from last night's game. 27 00:01:32,627 --> 00:01:36,827 Speaker 2: And that's particularly around the rock Time defensive systems, and 28 00:01:37,027 --> 00:01:41,307 Speaker 2: the obvious one is the kick chase. So yeah, it's 29 00:01:41,387 --> 00:01:46,707 Speaker 2: a building momentum towards the series. And like yourself, Pinety, 30 00:01:46,827 --> 00:01:49,187 Speaker 2: I believe that the All Blacks will be a lot 31 00:01:49,307 --> 00:01:51,467 Speaker 2: better come the second test in Wellington. 32 00:01:51,947 --> 00:01:54,867 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the kick chase. How do you fix 33 00:01:55,507 --> 00:01:58,707 Speaker 3: the issues around that happened last night? 34 00:02:00,227 --> 00:02:03,187 Speaker 2: I think part of the problem is that the over 35 00:02:03,267 --> 00:02:06,787 Speaker 2: commitment they have in the actual Rocky area around twenty 36 00:02:06,827 --> 00:02:10,667 Speaker 2: two from a lineout or from a broken play none 37 00:02:11,027 --> 00:02:13,547 Speaker 2: defies the ability for the runners to get up and 38 00:02:13,627 --> 00:02:17,467 Speaker 2: actually nominate to go up and compete for the ball. 39 00:02:18,747 --> 00:02:21,707 Speaker 2: Last night, there really only had two nominated sort of players. 40 00:02:21,747 --> 00:02:23,707 Speaker 2: That was the I think it was Will Jordan most 41 00:02:23,707 --> 00:02:26,867 Speaker 2: of the time. Jordy Barrett obviously got up there, but 42 00:02:27,067 --> 00:02:29,387 Speaker 2: they didn't really have a second wave of runners coming 43 00:02:29,467 --> 00:02:34,027 Speaker 2: back to actually compete, and that France's strength is that instinctiveness. 44 00:02:34,067 --> 00:02:37,187 Speaker 2: They love to play on that scrappy fifty to fifty ball. 45 00:02:37,347 --> 00:02:39,907 Speaker 2: So for my mind, the next test they need to 46 00:02:39,987 --> 00:02:42,147 Speaker 2: have an allocation of three players who are going to 47 00:02:42,187 --> 00:02:45,107 Speaker 2: be nominated to actually get up. Maybe a couple run 48 00:02:45,267 --> 00:02:49,547 Speaker 2: past the ball and one actually goes up. Other than that, John, 49 00:02:49,627 --> 00:02:52,347 Speaker 2: pretty sure Jordi Barret can boot that ball about eighty meters, 50 00:02:52,387 --> 00:02:54,067 Speaker 2: so why not get him in the pocket and just 51 00:02:54,147 --> 00:02:55,747 Speaker 2: hoof that ball down in the territory. 52 00:02:56,267 --> 00:03:00,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a good point. And yeah, the contestable 53 00:03:00,227 --> 00:03:02,347 Speaker 3: nature of the box kick obviously means that you are 54 00:03:02,507 --> 00:03:04,867 Speaker 3: and you know you're on the risk of not getting 55 00:03:04,907 --> 00:03:07,467 Speaker 3: the ball back, and that happened more often than not. 56 00:03:07,627 --> 00:03:09,667 Speaker 3: I thought France's kickchase was good though. 57 00:03:09,547 --> 00:03:14,267 Speaker 2: Paul, did you Yes, a lot more structured. Don't know 58 00:03:14,387 --> 00:03:18,227 Speaker 2: too much around the competition over in France, but I 59 00:03:18,347 --> 00:03:21,067 Speaker 2: guess so they're probably an English style that they do 60 00:03:21,227 --> 00:03:24,307 Speaker 2: kick a lot over there in Europe. So obviously it's 61 00:03:24,347 --> 00:03:27,427 Speaker 2: a skill in bredain to them, probably when they're growing 62 00:03:27,507 --> 00:03:29,587 Speaker 2: up through the ages too, so they probably have a 63 00:03:29,627 --> 00:03:32,187 Speaker 2: bit more ability and skill leven. In terms of that kickchase, 64 00:03:32,507 --> 00:03:34,867 Speaker 2: you know, us kiwis, we love to run with the 65 00:03:34,987 --> 00:03:37,147 Speaker 2: ball and we love to sort of try and open 66 00:03:37,227 --> 00:03:39,867 Speaker 2: up teams with the ability with the with the ball 67 00:03:39,947 --> 00:03:42,227 Speaker 2: in hand, speed of the ball as well. Obviously the 68 00:03:42,267 --> 00:03:45,467 Speaker 2: ball beats man all the time, so kicking for us 69 00:03:45,627 --> 00:03:49,267 Speaker 2: is probably still have a new idea. However, I think 70 00:03:49,347 --> 00:03:52,507 Speaker 2: there was an exceptional coach called mc barron back back 71 00:03:52,547 --> 00:03:54,627 Speaker 2: a few years ago which he sort of embedded that 72 00:03:54,947 --> 00:03:57,267 Speaker 2: a fl tactic going up for the high ball, that 73 00:03:57,347 --> 00:03:59,547 Speaker 2: sort of thing. So maybe they need someone like that 74 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:01,347 Speaker 2: to come back in possibly. 75 00:04:02,227 --> 00:04:06,147 Speaker 3: Indeed, you means you also some improvements needed at right time. 76 00:04:06,587 --> 00:04:07,787 Speaker 3: What did you see there last night? 77 00:04:08,947 --> 00:04:13,067 Speaker 2: A bit of a mess. It's a fifty to fifty 78 00:04:13,187 --> 00:04:17,427 Speaker 2: call whether or not Saviian Holland. I mean, he had 79 00:04:17,427 --> 00:04:18,907 Speaker 2: a massive game, and I don't want to be too 80 00:04:18,987 --> 00:04:23,507 Speaker 2: critical or critical. However, when he's a physically dominant man 81 00:04:23,587 --> 00:04:26,867 Speaker 2: and I feel like he should really be powering those leads. 82 00:04:26,907 --> 00:04:28,707 Speaker 2: He's a big man and to staying on his feet 83 00:04:28,747 --> 00:04:31,627 Speaker 2: a bit more. He I think he sacrifices his body 84 00:04:31,667 --> 00:04:34,267 Speaker 2: too quickly. But that might be a ploy for the 85 00:04:34,347 --> 00:04:37,307 Speaker 2: all backs to get that ball back quick at ruck time, 86 00:04:37,467 --> 00:04:40,107 Speaker 2: so they need to tidy up the latcher and the 87 00:04:40,227 --> 00:04:43,027 Speaker 2: actual clean out. I thought cam Roy guard Woli. You know, 88 00:04:43,187 --> 00:04:45,827 Speaker 2: he had an immense game. He was still had a 89 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:48,267 Speaker 2: bit to do and he kept the defense guessing with 90 00:04:48,387 --> 00:04:51,307 Speaker 2: his ball running ability from the back of the ruck 91 00:04:51,387 --> 00:04:53,987 Speaker 2: taking two or three steps, which kept that French defense guessing. 92 00:04:54,107 --> 00:04:57,027 Speaker 2: But rocktime, they just probably need to be identify and 93 00:04:57,107 --> 00:04:59,347 Speaker 2: to be a bit more accurate around that cleanout area. 94 00:05:00,027 --> 00:05:02,107 Speaker 3: What did you make of two Paul v his performance 95 00:05:02,307 --> 00:05:04,867 Speaker 3: at blindside, Well, he moved into lock, didn't they. But 96 00:05:05,187 --> 00:05:07,947 Speaker 3: during his time as a blindside flanker last night, what 97 00:05:08,027 --> 00:05:09,107 Speaker 3: did you make of his performance? 98 00:05:09,947 --> 00:05:14,387 Speaker 2: Hard working, physical and exceptional in the lineout. I mean 99 00:05:14,787 --> 00:05:17,867 Speaker 2: it's already been touched on having the three locks supposedly 100 00:05:17,907 --> 00:05:19,907 Speaker 2: in that line out. Hence while they won twenty lineout 101 00:05:19,987 --> 00:05:22,907 Speaker 2: so and didn't lose one. So yeah, he was very 102 00:05:22,947 --> 00:05:25,907 Speaker 2: hard walking. He gave that physical edge, big tall, physical 103 00:05:25,987 --> 00:05:30,107 Speaker 2: player and from my mind he's probably he probably needs 104 00:05:30,147 --> 00:05:33,187 Speaker 2: a bit more time in that saddle to sort of 105 00:05:33,227 --> 00:05:36,787 Speaker 2: gain that more experience and at exposure at blindside flanker 106 00:05:36,827 --> 00:05:39,827 Speaker 2: and obviously the all Black sea him as a bit 107 00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:42,147 Speaker 2: of a utility, but probably looking at him more of 108 00:05:42,267 --> 00:05:45,547 Speaker 2: the blindside. But it's great having a semipenny female on 109 00:05:45,867 --> 00:05:48,187 Speaker 2: the bench as well to come in and fill that void. 110 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:51,467 Speaker 2: So obviously that might happen with Scott Barrett under a 111 00:05:51,507 --> 00:05:52,947 Speaker 2: bit of an injury cloud for next week. 112 00:05:53,507 --> 00:05:56,147 Speaker 3: Yeah, killies by the sounds of it, So we'll keep 113 00:05:56,347 --> 00:05:58,427 Speaker 3: an eye on that. And speaking of injuries, what a 114 00:05:58,507 --> 00:06:01,627 Speaker 3: shame for sever Resa. What fifty seven seconds into a 115 00:06:01,667 --> 00:06:04,107 Speaker 3: Test match and you get your head in the wrong 116 00:06:04,187 --> 00:06:06,027 Speaker 3: place and all of a sudden, your night's over. 117 00:06:06,947 --> 00:06:10,427 Speaker 2: Yeah. Quite quite a contrast player to ricca Oani, whereas 118 00:06:10,627 --> 00:06:14,267 Speaker 2: Rico obviously loves that space and open territory in front 119 00:06:14,267 --> 00:06:16,747 Speaker 2: of him where Sevu actually goes hunting for work. And 120 00:06:17,027 --> 00:06:20,027 Speaker 2: they probably missed that work rate of Sevu Reese around 121 00:06:20,067 --> 00:06:22,387 Speaker 2: that rocky area just to take that pressure off some 122 00:06:22,547 --> 00:06:24,267 Speaker 2: of the forwards who were doing a lot of running 123 00:06:24,267 --> 00:06:27,307 Speaker 2: a lot of direct hits into that French that that 124 00:06:27,507 --> 00:06:31,147 Speaker 2: staff French defense there. So they missed that work rate 125 00:06:31,187 --> 00:06:33,667 Speaker 2: of Sevu Reese his ability to sort of beat that 126 00:06:33,827 --> 00:06:37,347 Speaker 2: first then Allah like Will Jordan's particularly, but yeah, they 127 00:06:37,467 --> 00:06:39,427 Speaker 2: definitely missed that work rate of Sevu. 128 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:41,987 Speaker 3: I think we can all agree that the All Blacks 129 00:06:42,067 --> 00:06:45,387 Speaker 3: can and probably will improve. What about France, all, do 130 00:06:45,427 --> 00:06:46,987 Speaker 3: you think that I've got another gear? 131 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:53,267 Speaker 2: Look France like they love unstructured play and that was 132 00:06:53,347 --> 00:06:56,067 Speaker 2: them to a t last night. And you know, you 133 00:06:56,187 --> 00:06:58,467 Speaker 2: give a team a bit of an edge and they'll 134 00:06:58,547 --> 00:07:01,827 Speaker 2: take it. And from my mind, it was the impact 135 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:05,387 Speaker 2: of the four I can't remember the four big French 136 00:07:05,507 --> 00:07:07,867 Speaker 2: forwards that came. I think it was probably ten minutes 137 00:07:07,867 --> 00:07:10,027 Speaker 2: into that second half they actually had. They scored not 138 00:07:10,147 --> 00:07:14,307 Speaker 2: long after that. Big guys and big just big physical 139 00:07:14,667 --> 00:07:16,827 Speaker 2: stature in Alah. You know, similar to what the South 140 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:20,707 Speaker 2: African do with the bomb squad. It takes you know 141 00:07:21,187 --> 00:07:23,867 Speaker 2: a bit more energy sapping for the defensive side like 142 00:07:24,307 --> 00:07:27,027 Speaker 2: the All Blacks here to take them down. So like 143 00:07:27,947 --> 00:07:31,027 Speaker 2: that's a really crucial tactic for them to keep that. 144 00:07:31,227 --> 00:07:34,827 Speaker 2: So it's yeah, I think they've probably looked at things 145 00:07:34,827 --> 00:07:37,707 Speaker 2: where the All Blacks a week just holding onto the 146 00:07:37,747 --> 00:07:41,107 Speaker 2: ball a bit more than just trying to expose a 147 00:07:41,187 --> 00:07:43,027 Speaker 2: bit more over commitment from the All Blacks, which were 148 00:07:43,067 --> 00:07:45,307 Speaker 2: they're doing too much into that rus hence why they 149 00:07:45,387 --> 00:07:48,147 Speaker 2: sort of open up a bit around that sort of 150 00:07:48,227 --> 00:07:52,387 Speaker 2: midfield area. So yeah, France will be they'll be smarting 151 00:07:52,467 --> 00:07:55,147 Speaker 2: for those weaknesses of the All Blacks sort of displayed 152 00:07:55,227 --> 00:07:55,627 Speaker 2: last night. 153 00:07:56,027 --> 00:07:58,547 Speaker 3: Indeed, yeah, I think it's an intriguing series. I still 154 00:07:58,587 --> 00:08:00,907 Speaker 3: expect that the All Blacks will, as I say, improve 155 00:08:01,027 --> 00:08:03,147 Speaker 3: and do a bitter next week in Wellington and then 156 00:08:03,547 --> 00:08:06,907 Speaker 3: in Hamilton as well. What do you think think they'll do? 157 00:08:07,827 --> 00:08:10,587 Speaker 3: Selection wise? Scott Robertson has said he wants everybody to 158 00:08:10,627 --> 00:08:12,947 Speaker 3: get a game. We know Seva Roof can't play next week. 159 00:08:12,987 --> 00:08:15,587 Speaker 3: As you say, there's as an injury concern over Scott Barrett, 160 00:08:15,627 --> 00:08:17,547 Speaker 3: so they might have their hand forced in some ways. 161 00:08:17,827 --> 00:08:20,867 Speaker 3: The likes of Tamathi Tabatava Na When, when and how 162 00:08:20,987 --> 00:08:23,187 Speaker 3: might he get his debut in the next two weekends. 163 00:08:23,787 --> 00:08:26,147 Speaker 2: Well, I definitely I think they missed a bit of 164 00:08:26,267 --> 00:08:29,627 Speaker 2: edge on that midfield. No disrespect to clearly Proctor there, 165 00:08:29,707 --> 00:08:32,587 Speaker 2: but they definitely miss someone that was sort of hard running. 166 00:08:32,987 --> 00:08:36,267 Speaker 2: Jordan Barrett didn't really do too well. He played really well, 167 00:08:36,347 --> 00:08:39,107 Speaker 2: but they missed someone just just running hard off the 168 00:08:39,187 --> 00:08:41,987 Speaker 2: set piece, the liner or the scrum, which Tabatava. Now 169 00:08:42,067 --> 00:08:45,427 Speaker 2: I can get that initial impetus over that game line, 170 00:08:45,467 --> 00:08:47,907 Speaker 2: and from my mind, I think we might see him 171 00:08:48,707 --> 00:08:51,347 Speaker 2: either in the reserves or it's not starting next week 172 00:08:51,467 --> 00:08:54,067 Speaker 2: tavertoa Now, I just just to create that impact there, 173 00:08:54,987 --> 00:08:58,267 Speaker 2: Quinti pie as well. You know, great turnover, great tackle. 174 00:08:58,907 --> 00:09:01,627 Speaker 2: I think that was probably a game winning tackle that 175 00:09:01,707 --> 00:09:04,307 Speaker 2: he did on that big French locking that ball out 176 00:09:04,307 --> 00:09:07,267 Speaker 2: of his arms there so quite fortuously. So yeah, he 177 00:09:07,827 --> 00:09:11,867 Speaker 2: will also play himself, either obviously of the reserves or 178 00:09:11,907 --> 00:09:14,587 Speaker 2: starting as well. But I think tryed and true. I 179 00:09:14,667 --> 00:09:18,747 Speaker 2: think because of the way the forwards went, I don't 180 00:09:18,747 --> 00:09:21,067 Speaker 2: think we'll see too many changes in that area, but 181 00:09:21,307 --> 00:09:24,827 Speaker 2: probably you know, are we one or two changes maybe 182 00:09:24,867 --> 00:09:25,547 Speaker 2: in that backline? 183 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:27,667 Speaker 3: All right? And just before you go, you and I 184 00:09:27,707 --> 00:09:29,947 Speaker 3: spoke about this, I think on air end off here yesterday, 185 00:09:29,987 --> 00:09:33,387 Speaker 3: and that's the continuation of Test matches in Dunedin. For me, 186 00:09:33,867 --> 00:09:36,267 Speaker 3: it's a no brainer. You play a Test here every 187 00:09:36,347 --> 00:09:38,667 Speaker 3: year in July under a roof, as you do in 188 00:09:38,747 --> 00:09:42,187 Speaker 3: christ What feeling do you get though about the future 189 00:09:42,267 --> 00:09:44,787 Speaker 3: of Test rugby in Dunedin? Are we going to have 190 00:09:45,347 --> 00:09:47,547 Speaker 3: one every year? Is that you feel about it or not? 191 00:09:48,467 --> 00:09:52,147 Speaker 2: Well, it's on rocky ground and you know, I actually 192 00:09:52,227 --> 00:09:55,507 Speaker 2: got to walk back where a part mcard lot probably 193 00:09:55,507 --> 00:09:58,787 Speaker 2: about half an hour and just the vibe of the crowd, 194 00:09:58,947 --> 00:10:02,467 Speaker 2: French mixing in with the locals of the Dunedin Knights 195 00:10:02,507 --> 00:10:04,587 Speaker 2: and obviously all around from New Zealand. It's just a 196 00:10:04,667 --> 00:10:08,267 Speaker 2: fantastic atmosphere, you know. It just sort of brings everyone 197 00:10:08,387 --> 00:10:10,347 Speaker 2: up a bit of joy in that. So yeah, so 198 00:10:10,507 --> 00:10:14,347 Speaker 2: I hope the Union or whoever makes those decisions definitely 199 00:10:14,427 --> 00:10:16,347 Speaker 2: keeps the need and in mind for at least one 200 00:10:16,467 --> 00:10:19,347 Speaker 2: test match a year. And you know what better time 201 00:10:19,387 --> 00:10:20,907 Speaker 2: to have it in the year in July cut the 202 00:10:20,987 --> 00:10:23,987 Speaker 2: coldest part of coldest time in New Zealand, so you 203 00:10:24,067 --> 00:10:25,747 Speaker 2: know what better way to have it under a roof? 204 00:10:25,827 --> 00:10:28,587 Speaker 2: And I do hope you know, obviously, crist you'll start 205 00:10:28,627 --> 00:10:32,227 Speaker 2: to get their come April next year. So but look, 206 00:10:32,307 --> 00:10:35,867 Speaker 2: it would be very detrimental for the local community of 207 00:10:35,987 --> 00:10:39,907 Speaker 2: Dunedin Otago Southern Region if these tests stopped going ahead. 208 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:42,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, no brainer for me, mate, no brainer for me. 209 00:10:42,347 --> 00:10:44,747 Speaker 3: Awesome to work alongside you again last night, Paul. Great 210 00:10:44,787 --> 00:10:46,827 Speaker 3: to see you. Thanks for your time this afternoon as well, 211 00:10:46,867 --> 00:10:49,587 Speaker 3: and we'll see you next year for a test mentioned 212 00:10:49,987 --> 00:10:50,387 Speaker 3: and I'm. 213 00:10:50,267 --> 00:10:53,507 Speaker 2: Sure I hope, so thanks Piney, Thanks very much, Thank. 214 00:10:53,387 --> 00:10:56,347 Speaker 3: Youre mate Paul Miller, former All Black, real analyst of 215 00:10:56,387 --> 00:11:00,067 Speaker 3: the game and our expert comments man alongside Elliot Smith 216 00:11:00,187 --> 00:11:02,187 Speaker 3: last night and our commentary on news Talks. He'd be 217 00:11:02,627 --> 00:11:04,387 Speaker 3: of the first test of twenty twenty five. 218 00:11:04,947 --> 00:11:08,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 219 00:11:08,227 --> 00:11:11,507 Speaker 1: to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow 220 00:11:11,547 --> 00:11:13,147 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.