1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia have the meeting an Istanbul. They've agreed 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: for more prisoner of prisoners of war to be exchanged, 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: to be swapped. It's good news, but at the same 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: time you've got Ukraine bombing the hell and joining the 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: hell drone bombing the hell out of some pretty significant 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure for Russia. Olga if Shina is a BBC senior 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Russia reporter with us this morning. Oga, Hello, welcome to 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: the show. Hello, thank you so much, good to have 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: you back. Tell me what's happening. First with the prisoner exchange. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, they agreed on a quite big prisoner swap. It's actually, 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: it seems so far. First of all six thousand bodies 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: in exchange for six thousand dead bodies. Secondly, it's exchange 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: of your all young prisoners of war at the age 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: between eighteen and twenty five. And hopefully it's also exchange 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: of all severely wounded personnel. So possibly it's not. Definitely 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: it's not happening in the next few days. So they 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: agreed to continue to talk about this, to establish medical commissions, 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: negotiating groups to agree on exact lists of people. So 19 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: possibly it will happen in a few stages as we 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: have seen in the previous round of exchanges. But yeah, 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: there is at least something going on, but unfortunately it's 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: not bringing us any closer to the end of hostilities, 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: any closer to the end of this war. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: No, And let's talk about that. The Western media is 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: reporting that a sizable portion of the fleet that Moscow 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: would used to launch guided missile attacks on Ukraine but 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: also attacks potentially nuclear attacks on other countries, that they 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: were damaged or destroyed by these Ukrainian attacks over the weekend. 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Is that true? How significant is this for Russia? 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: Well, definitely, the loss even of one strategic bomber is 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: very significant because at the moment Russia is not able 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: to replicate it quickly, so even one plane, loss of 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: one plane is very significant. So Ukraine claims it targeted 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: I think six air bases. The footage. Air footage confirms 35 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: definitely that at least two air bases were hit, possibly 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: up to forty different planes. Russian mood has confirmed that 37 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: several planes were hait. Ukraine says around forty. So you know, 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: from the verified footage we can see at least a 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: few planes, definitely more than five. But as I said, 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: even though loss of one plane is important, but I 41 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: think it's also important to underline it's not just Ukraine 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: striking Russia. You know, Russia has launched a tremendous amount 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: of at rockhead and also drawne attacks on Ukraine in 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: the recent days and weeks, So it's not just one side. 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: It Both sides have increased the number of strikes on 46 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: each other's territory. 47 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Does yeah, you're absolutely right, but this does a strike 48 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: like this put Persian in some kind of corner? Does 49 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: it make molash out? 50 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: It's a good question. But to answer that, you need 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: to answer the question whether Russians, especially outside of Moscow 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: know about this tribe, because, of course State TV is 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: not talking about it in a great detail. Of course, 54 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: mold Russian mood is downplaying the scale of losses. And 55 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: also we see that, you know, apart from some big cities, 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: the population tries to shield off the news about the 57 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: invasion because they are very tired and they try to 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: perceive their own lives. So do people know about that? 59 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: You know, that's that's a big, big question. And Putting 60 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: doesn't care that much about his image in the West. 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: He's pretty happy with the with the imager he has 62 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: already produced, and internally, you know, not that many people 63 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: possibly have noticed it at the you know, because it's 64 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: more than three years of invasion now, right. But I 65 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: think what is important is that, Yeah, of course, internationally 66 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: Putting does look not as bright as strong as he 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: would like to be. Of course, it's a hit for 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: Russian security service, especially domestic security face beat, from which 69 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: mister Putin sort of tracks, you know, where he used 70 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: to serve many years ago. So yeah, it's a definitely 71 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: big hit for his ego, but not for the morale 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: of the Russian population on the whole. 73 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Interesting IgA, always good to speak with you, Thank you 74 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: very much. 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