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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Dupericy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected you.

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Speaker 2: Storp said b.

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Speaker 3: Tay good afternoon. Coming up on the show, We're going

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Speaker 3: to go to the US and have a chat to

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Speaker 3: news presenter Charles Feldman on how long Joe Biden has

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Speaker 3: before he's gone Burger. The lawyer for the crew on

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Speaker 3: s BQR what a sad day. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to a longtime regular, our very own Kerry.

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Speaker 2: Woodham, Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's safe to say Joe Biden is

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Speaker 3: gone Burger. Don't you think? I mean, he can not

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Speaker 3: recover from this. He is going to have to pull

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Speaker 3: out of the race one hundred percent. I mean, just

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Speaker 3: yesterday Nancy Pelosi, who's one of the most senior members

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Speaker 3: Basically said party just wanted to see how he was

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Speaker 3: going to handle the NATO summit and then they would

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Speaker 3: make some calls. And then what happened last day of

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Speaker 3: the NATO summits users Zelenski For Putin.

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Speaker 4: I want to hand it over to the President of Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: who has as much courage as he has determination.

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Speaker 2: Ladies, and John my President Putin.

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Speaker 3: President Putin would love to be the president of Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be announcing that yet. And then

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Speaker 3: just a matter of hours later, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: his like arch nemesis, Donald Trump, is suddenly his vice president.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have picked vice President Trump to be vice president?

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Speaker 4: Do I think she was not qualified to be president?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: Look, honestly, I think this is today has just Today's

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Speaker 3: the thing. It sealed his fate because as hard as

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Speaker 3: he has tried since that awful debate to prove that

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Speaker 3: the reason that he called that press conference today and

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Speaker 3: so we all tuned in, like the whole world tuned

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Speaker 3: mistake of writing this off as just a couple of

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Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks to make everybody think that

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Speaker 3: These are just the latest signs that Biden is not

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Speaker 3: up to it anymore. I mean, I don't know why

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Speaker 3: he doesn't quit, right, I mean, I think this is

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Speaker 3: the question everybody's asking why, And you just get out

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Speaker 3: of it, mate. The generous explanation is that he honestly

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Speaker 3: generous explanation is that he is now so bad that

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Speaker 3: But what is up against is this okay? Global superstar

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Speaker 3: him and instead has basically put him on notice. Owners

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Speaker 3: the co founder of Netflix, has said publicly he needs

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Speaker 3: That brings the total of Democrats doing that to seventeen.

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Speaker 3: He cannot survive this. The pressure is too great. It

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy, Allen, it's ten.

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Speaker 3: Pass for you, welcome to let me know what you think.

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Speaker 3: The text number is nine two ninety two are standard

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Speaker 3: text fees applying. Now. How about the war on cones?

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Speaker 3: I am here for this A the Transport Minister Simme

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Speaker 3: and Brown has started the war. He's planning, he says,

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Speaker 3: to roll out a risk based approach to temporary traffic management,

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Speaker 3: He says there are too many cones and the current

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Speaker 7: Hey, Dave, hi here, how are you doing well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Do you agree with him that there are

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Speaker 7: I'd say in some places, yeah, I mean, ultimately it's

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Speaker 7: So it's absolutely true that that balance doesn't work sometimes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what so is it a problem? That is what

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Speaker 3: explains me what's going on here is that NZTA turns

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Speaker 3: Or are the rules just so prescriptive that it doesn't

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Speaker 3: really matter what the risk is, they just end up

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Speaker 7: So I'd say it's more of the latter, and it

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Speaker 7: probably comes down to the system that we have and

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Speaker 7: have had for the last twenty plus years. So it's

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Speaker 7: a very prescriptive system and for the most part it

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Speaker 7: served its purpose. But it's certainly been identified and in

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Speaker 7: fact predates the current government. Is that met that that

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Speaker 7: process isn't really quite getting the right amount of TTM

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Speaker 7: but not too much. That there's excess and there's waste,

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Speaker 3: Mate, aren't we far away from having too little in

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Speaker 7: It's collectively if you looked at across the system. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: probably true, but also there's still there isn't there is

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Speaker 7: still a responsibility by everyone who undertakes activity in the

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Speaker 7: there's plus nine hundred more than nine hundred people killed

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Speaker 3: So are the last on pons Vy road right, They're

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Speaker 3: Kind of there by the intersection with williamsonab and I

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Speaker 3: I reckon that those cones on reflection would be like

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Speaker 3: thirty centimeters away from each other. That's way to me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't need that. If the cones were a meter

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd say that, And I don't know the specifics.

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Speaker 7: I haven't been our Posby road today, but I'd say

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Speaker 7: that those kind of scenarios are where the risk hasn't

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Speaker 7: been necessarily identified correctly and the treatment mismatches the risk.

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Speaker 7: So really the system we should have is where we

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Speaker 7: can design for the risk of a motorway is different

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Speaker 7: to a Pontibi road, which is different to a cul

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Speaker 7: de sac and in the back of Gisbon. That's we

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Speaker 7: should have a system that can incorporate a difference in

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Speaker 7: the moment that's not quite outworks, which is why the

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Speaker 7: whole risk based TTM thing is is really a good,

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Speaker 7: good thing to explore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Dave, how much does it cost to rent

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Speaker 3: one of those little cones every day?

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Speaker 7: Well, I've seen that around the face and in fact,

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Speaker 7: actually that's not how it's charged for, so there's no

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Speaker 7: one really charges per currents it's always charging for the

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Speaker 7: what's the plant plant. As in trucks, it takes trucks

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Speaker 7: they sometimes users protective trucks, you know behind mons.

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Speaker 3: You don't have like a traffic you don't have a

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Speaker 3: road cone company. It is the if you're hiring the trucks,

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Speaker 3: they come with the cones.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's almost universally how it's done. Correct.

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Speaker 3: And then how do you factor in the cost of

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Speaker 3: thousand cones. This is a massive difference.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, But most traffic management companies themselves wouldn't charge

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Speaker 3: Brilliant. Hey listen, Dave, thank you very much, man, I

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Speaker 3: who's the chair of the Temporary Traffic Management Industry Steering Group.

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Speaker 3: But somebody's going to go down Ponzibi Road. Now, measure

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Speaker 3: how far about those cones aren't proving completely wrong, eh,

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Speaker 3: But I mean point me to a site where there

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Speaker 3: only nineteen percent. Quarter past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for business.

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Speaker 2: You stalk, sa'd be Heather.

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Speaker 3: Who do you think is going to hang around longer?

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden or Darlene Honestly, Michelle at the stage, probably

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Speaker 3: Darlene a because the pressure is more on Joe. I

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Speaker 3: like the world's pressure on is on Joe Biden. It's

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Speaker 3: just the Greens pressure on Darling, and I think there's

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Speaker 3: a difference there. Eighteen past four Jason Pine Weekend Sport

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Speaker 8: Hello Heather.

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Speaker 3: Do you reason it's going to be as tight this

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Speaker 8: I think it'll be as competitive, whether the scoreline is

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Speaker 8: as tight, I guess well. I mean I kind of

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Speaker 8: feel like the All Blacks will win this one more comfortably.

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Speaker 8: I still think they'll win the game, But then I

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Speaker 8: thought they'd win by ten last week and it was

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Speaker 8: only a one pointer. Two teams that haven't really had

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Speaker 3: Two Russian born Australians have been charged with espionage Ossie

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Speaker 3: CV to the hotel, including your favorite breakfast joke. Do

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Speaker 3: not send breakfast jokes to nine two nine two.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Dan Mattinson, US correspondents with US Now Hello Dan, Hi Heather.

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Speaker 3: How long do you give Biden before he drops out?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I am really on the fence with this.

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Speaker 6: I would have said maybe Monday. At this point, he's

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Speaker 6: got a one on one with the NBC anchor Lester

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Speaker 6: Holtz scheduled for then. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 6: were hoping that he would come out looking a little

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Speaker 6: bit better than he did with this new conference today.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the question is, really did he change the

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Speaker 6: mind of anybody of their perception of him? And I

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Speaker 6: don't think he did. I mean, did he show signs

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Speaker 6: of dementia. I don't think so. But did he come

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Speaker 6: across as an old man who's tired and can be forgetful. Yes,

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Speaker 6: and he is. And before, like you mentioned, before the conference,

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Speaker 6: when he was introducing President of Lensky, he said President Putin,

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Speaker 6: and then off the top of the conference when he

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Speaker 6: was taking Q and a's he meant to say Vice

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Speaker 6: President Kamala Harris and he said Vice President Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: and of course the Trump campaign jumped on that immediately.

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Speaker 3: Dan tell me, okay, so do you think this is

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Speaker 3: just age? You don't think that there is something going

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Speaker 3: on with his brain?

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Speaker 6: I mean there could be, I mean obviously, I mean

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Speaker 6: I'm stating the obvious here. I'm not a doctor here,

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Speaker 6: but I think there could be. There could be dementia.

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Speaker 6: But I think more than anything, it is just age.

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Speaker 6: And I think you've got a person that has been

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Speaker 6: doing this most of his life and he is very tired.

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Speaker 6: He has given it his all and he doesn't have

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Speaker 6: anything left to give. And everybody is coming out like

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Speaker 6: this is just breaking news here, and that is the

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Speaker 6: frustrating part. This has been something that has been obvious

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Speaker 6: for the last couple of years, reporters have not pressed

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Speaker 6: him on it. I was disappointed by the questions asked

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Speaker 6: quite honestly by reporters today. I don't think they were

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Speaker 6: forceful enough with the President.

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Speaker 3: Why would they not have been forceful enough? What would

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Speaker 3: have held them back?

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Speaker 13: You know?

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Speaker 6: I had a colleague that I used to work with

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Speaker 6: that asked me that and said, what would you have

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Speaker 6: asked him? And I said, well, they just didn't push

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Speaker 6: the questions. They were very superficial, I thought, very At

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Speaker 6: the very end, just before he walked out, Peter Alexander,

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Speaker 6: who's a White House correspondent for NBC News, was asking

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Speaker 6: him about the slip up that he gave with Kamala

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Speaker 6: Harris and Donald Trump right off the bat when he

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Speaker 6: had given that answer, and the reporter that asked him initially,

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Speaker 6: you should have followed through with that and said this

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Speaker 6: is an example, mister President right now. He didn't have

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Speaker 6: any idea of what he said. And we all do

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Speaker 6: that from time to time, we all, but this has

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Speaker 6: just been an ongoing thing with the President.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine, you tell me what you think I

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Speaker 3: can't After these two blunders today, you had another three

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Speaker 3: Democrats come out, taking the total to seventeen calling for

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Speaker 3: him to resign. I would imagine that over the weekend

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Speaker 3: that's just going to add up.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think so. I think the Sunday talk shows

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Speaker 6: are going to be blowing up here. I mean, you

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Speaker 6: had Connecticut Representative Jim Hines, who's a top Democrat on

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Speaker 6: the House Intelligence Committee, and he came out and he

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Speaker 6: said right after this, he said, I hope Biden will

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Speaker 6: step away from his presidential campaign. You've got all these

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Speaker 6: big name donors, You've got people that are just not

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Speaker 6: answering the phone right now, and they're just saying, we

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Speaker 6: don't know what to do. The obvious choice is going

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Speaker 6: to be Kamala Harris, but as we've talked about before,

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Speaker 6: she's just not that popular with voters or with a

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Speaker 6: lot of people in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are hoping for Michelle Obama step forwarday, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, they can hope. It's funny because her name has

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Speaker 6: not been floated around like it was six months or

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Speaker 6: a year ago that one of the one of the

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Speaker 6: names that came out of the blue again a pair

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Speaker 6: up of Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. Now, Clinton has

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Speaker 6: not been showing any kind of interest in this. And again,

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Speaker 6: if you were to have our step up, you'd be

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Speaker 6: saying the same thing that you would about Biden and Trump.

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Speaker 6: You've got the age thing there. And do you think

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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris is really going to want to be the

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Speaker 6: number two pick again on another ticket like this? I mean,

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Speaker 6: this is her job to lose if mister Biden steps aside.

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Speaker 3: Listen, what's going on with Kevin Costa's movie.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what everybody wants to know. Horizon in American saga,

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Speaker 6: it's this. Well, there's one segment that came out. The

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Speaker 6: first chapter, as they call it here in the US,

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Speaker 6: completely bombed. This was a movie that was one hundred

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Speaker 6: million dollars or more. It hit theaters, nobody went to

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Speaker 6: see it. Kevin Costner put up thirty or forty million

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Speaker 6: dollars of his own money. And there's three other movies,

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Speaker 6: two of which have been filmed or are in the

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Speaker 6: middle of being filmed right now. The studio is just

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Speaker 6: pulling this out right now, and we don't even know

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Speaker 6: if the second or third movie is going to make

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Speaker 6: it to the theaters. And it's interesting because Costner decided

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Speaker 6: not to come back to this hit Western show Yellowstone,

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Speaker 6: which is a great guilty pleasure. Put him back on

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Speaker 6: the map. And maybe this is proving that Hollywood, which

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Speaker 6: has been having a real hard summer over here, can't

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Speaker 6: double dip. When people can get a great quality Western

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Speaker 6: or a program for free on TV or streaming it,

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Speaker 6: why go to the movies and pay fifteen bucks to

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Speaker 6: see the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yea fair point, Dan, Thank you appreciated, have yourself a

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Speaker 3: lovely We can We'll talk again next week. Sam Mitchison,

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Speaker 3: US correspondent. I'm not going to talk to him next week.

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Speaker 3: I'm going on holiday next week. I'm giving you the

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Speaker 3: warning right now. I'm going on holiday next week and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have a lovely time. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: get out of the winter. I've become that person, do

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Speaker 3: you know how? I think we're all that person this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, but this winter is it's because

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Speaker 3: of the economy. I think that's what it is. This

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Speaker 3: winter just sucks a little bit because of that. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Now we are going to find out who

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's running mate is going to be Next Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: They're going to have the Republican National Convention and apparently

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Speaker 3: it's going to be announced there and that person is

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Speaker 3: at this stage going to be the vice president. This

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Speaker 3: person is going to be introduced by Donald Trump Junior,

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Speaker 3: which makes everybody think that this person is JD. Vance

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Speaker 3: because JD Vance Donald Trump Junior are really really great mates,

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Speaker 3: and so the relationship between them is basically led everybody

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Speaker 3: to speculate that it's going to be Jade Varns. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you're like, who the hell's Jade Varnes?

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Speaker 13: J D.

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Speaker 3: Varnes is a chap who has been He's been around

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Speaker 3: a wee bit now, I mean he was kind of

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Speaker 3: in the running I think probably in twenty twenty to

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Speaker 3: be a running mate. I suppose I remember him around

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Speaker 3: at the time. He wrote a book some years ago

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Speaker 3: called Hillbilly Ellogy, which is absolutely fascinating, and it's the

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Speaker 3: story of how he grows up basically being raised by

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Speaker 3: a bunch of Darrow hillbillies in a terrible situation. If

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Speaker 3: I remember correctly, his mum was something like a like

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Speaker 3: a smack addict or something like that. It's really bad,

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Speaker 3: Like it was horrific. He was raised by a complete

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Speaker 3: druggie and in the end, I think his grandparents were

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Speaker 3: pretty stable and raised him and he ends up going

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Speaker 3: to an Ivy League university and sort of, you know,

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Speaker 3: he talks about how he has to blend in with

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Speaker 3: all these like middle and upper class kids, and he

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Speaker 3: doesn't even know really how to set a table because

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Speaker 3: he's from such you know, working class, like really tough,

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Speaker 3: brought up stock and here he is right now in

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Speaker 3: a position. It's a classic American pull yourself up by

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Speaker 3: his bootstrap story. So if you're interested in that kind

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Speaker 3: of book, it's absolutely worth read, and probably even more

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Speaker 3: so now given than he might well be vice president

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Speaker 3: very shortly. Quarter too.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglin, the Herald's deputy political editor, is in for

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Speaker 3: Barry Sober today. Hey Thomas, Hey that afternoon. Yeah, thank

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Speaker 3: you for being with us. Listen that poll out today.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon it is that has pushed Luxeon's

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Speaker 3: popularity up like that?

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Speaker 14: I think it's pretty solid few weeks for the government,

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Speaker 14: Like I think coming through on the Kents drugs last week,

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Speaker 14: Eric Stanford's educational announcement, it's just I mean to use

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Speaker 14: the Chrisiplins phrase, bread and butter issues. Getting down to

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Speaker 14: the stuff people care about. I think as well, voters

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Speaker 14: can't be there impressed with what's happening on the left

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Speaker 14: at the moment. Obviously the Tparti Maori scandals around the

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Speaker 14: manure there and Marai, the Darling Town of stuff at

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Speaker 14: the Greens, I think that had all fixed pretty poorly

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Speaker 14: on the left, even though it's actually the Labor Party

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Speaker 14: that seems to be carrying the camphor at that down

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Speaker 14: the most, down basically four points from from twenty nine

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Speaker 14: point four to to twenty five point nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Greens are sitting at twelve percent and this

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Speaker 3: will not reflect what's gone on with Darling Tanna just yet, right,

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Speaker 3: because this is obviously in the wrong period. But the

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Speaker 3: next time round to the next poll we get do

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Speaker 3: you reckon, they'll take a knock for it.

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Speaker 14: It's hard to know because I've my personal view is

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Speaker 14: I think the Darling Tanna stuff is priced, and so

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Speaker 14: you're absolutely right, this doesn't reflect This doesn't reflect what

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Speaker 14: we've what we've recently learned about the report. But I

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Speaker 14: would have thought that Darling Tanna stuff has been priced

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Speaker 14: and since the allegations first emerged back in March. Personally,

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Speaker 14: I think I think the Greens have got a pretty

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Speaker 14: good kind of baseline of support. Chris Hepkins is a

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Speaker 14: relatively right wing leader of the Labor Party. He's not

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Speaker 14: just under return, so he's kind of if you're if

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Speaker 14: you're the Greens, he's sort of the ideal leader of

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Speaker 14: the Labor Party for you, because he's just right wing enough,

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Speaker 14: I think to push those soft, those soft green labor

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Speaker 14: marginal voters into the Green camp. So so I think

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Speaker 14: that that they're pretty lucky that the political landscape is

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Speaker 14: such that their support that their supporters cling on to them,

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Speaker 14: despite the fact that I think even the Greens would

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Speaker 14: privately say they haven't really done a lot to deserve

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Speaker 14: the level of polling at the begetting at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, I see we've got an extension

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Speaker 3: on the Red Sea deployment.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, interesting, interesting one. This this is a you know,

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Speaker 14: New Zealand. New Zealand actually does a fair bit of

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Speaker 14: deployments overseas to uphold international law. CHRISTALP. Luxan and Japan

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Speaker 14: a couple of weeks ago announced an expansion of the

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Speaker 14: deployment to monitor breaches in North Korea. This is a

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Speaker 14: slightly more controversial one. It's connected to the Hoothy attacks

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Speaker 14: on international shipping and the Red Sea. New Zealand obviously

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Speaker 14: very very concerned to keep that trade route open, but

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Speaker 14: obviously that connection to the Gaza conflict. The Houthy they

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Speaker 14: are attacking these ships because they are they are retaliating

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Speaker 14: for for the Israel strikes on an invasion of Gaza.

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Speaker 14: So New Zealand kind of attaching itself to the American

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Speaker 14: and then by way of America, Israeli all. But it

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Speaker 14: is slightly controversial both domestically here and in the Middle East.

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Speaker 14: So it's sort of one of those ones that I

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Speaker 14: think everyone's trying to handle with a bit of caution,

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Speaker 14: because you certainly don't want to step out of line

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Speaker 14: on that delicate balance in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Hey, do you reckon there is enough support around the

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Speaker 3: cabinet table to break up key Erail's rail and ferry service.

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Speaker 14: I yes, I actually do have been hearing this, this

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Speaker 14: this leak last night on One News, and I see

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Speaker 14: R and Z has been asking some questions about it today.

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Speaker 14: I really do think there is quite a lot of

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Speaker 14: support for that. Key Rail is a pretty why shall

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Speaker 14: we say troubled organization and and and the inter Islander

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Speaker 14: is an essential piece of connection. I think that the

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Speaker 14: government really wants the inter Islander to run well. And

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Speaker 14: I've been hearing even before that that minister and the

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Speaker 14: advisory Group landed with Cabinet ministers that there was something

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Speaker 14: that that they were they were sort of interested in

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Speaker 14: at least, so I think that there is a strong

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Speaker 14: level of support. And you can you can see there's

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Speaker 14: a there's a case for breaking it up and making

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Speaker 14: the the key rail focus on the rail bit and

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Speaker 14: and a separate inter island a company folk pus on

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Speaker 14: the pote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, Thomas, thank you very much for stepping in.

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Speaker 3: We'll check to you again quarter past six and reap

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Speaker 3: the political week that was. It's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's

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Speaker 3: deputy political editor. I got a little update for you

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Speaker 3: on country kindy if you remember that story from earlier

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Speaker 3: the week stand by lade away from six.

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Speaker 2: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers. The mic Hosking

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Speaker 2: breakfast ZIMPA is changing the world.

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Speaker 15: Of course, leading international obesity expert, doctor Being Gonzalez is

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Speaker 15: with us. What's your view on this whole GLP revolution.

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Speaker 11: Well, I've been using this medication for over seven years,

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Speaker 11: and of course celebrity attention just kind of shoots up

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Speaker 11: the attention.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a.

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Speaker 11: Very useful, powerful, safe drug, but it needs to be used.

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Speaker 6: Appropriately with appropriate doctor intervention.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is it isn't is it?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 11: And I've been watching year and a half, been watching

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Speaker 11: these pop up weight loss spis, these weight loss and

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Speaker 11: are just kind of selling the drug and doctors not

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Speaker 11: being fully trained on how to manage the medication, just

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Speaker 11: kind of writing good prescriptions.

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Speaker 2: WILLI and Ellie?

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Speaker 11: Then there you have it.

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Speaker 15: Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: No, you can't do that. You just said eight to six.

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Speaker 3: It's eight to five. You need a holiday. You're right, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: You're not. I'm gonna do it is. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: get my g string. I'm gonna go down to near

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Speaker 3: Plymouth Pool. I have a lovely time freak that lady out.

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Speaker 3: As If o zenpic was not already the miracle drug,

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Speaker 3: there is now evidence that it may in fact cut

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Speaker 3: the risk of dementia by half. University of Oxford has

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Speaker 3: done a study. They wanted to establish the impact of

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Speaker 3: the JAB. This is a weight loss JAB, but it

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Speaker 3: was actually originally a diabetes JAB that then became a

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Speaker 3: weight loss JAB. They wanted to have a look at

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Speaker 3: what the impact on the brain was. They found it

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Speaker 3: reduced the risk of multiple neurological conditions, including dementia and

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Speaker 3: Parkinson's these He's how amazing is that? Five away from

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Speaker 3: five here we go. I've got a little thing to

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Speaker 3: tell you about Country Kindy. Now, this is the early

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Speaker 3: childhood center in the manner were two that got shut

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Speaker 3: down by the Ministry of Education on Monday because it

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Speaker 3: didn't do seven ridiculous things, including to failing to write

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Speaker 3: a mission statement. That's now before court and the Ministry

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Speaker 3: of Education has had to reverse its decision and it's

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Speaker 3: open for another twelve weeks. Here's an insight into what

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Speaker 3: it may be like in the Ministry of Education when

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Speaker 3: they make decisions like this. Today, I spoke to a

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Education staffer from the office that was responsible

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Speaker 3: for shutting the place down. They said to me that

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Speaker 3: they wanted to speak out about it because Country Candy

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Speaker 3: should never have been shut down, and in their view

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Speaker 3: had been persecuted, and they say that the reason the

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Speaker 3: situation ended up where it has with Country Kindy being

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Speaker 3: shut down is because there was a former staffer who

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Speaker 3: was doing who decided to do an audit on Country

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Speaker 3: Kindy and then had a personal vendetta against Country Kindy

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Speaker 3: and its owner. And they said the reason that they

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Speaker 3: realized it was a vendetta was because this person started

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Speaker 3: picking on Country Kendy for ridiculous things like not having

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Speaker 3: a microwave matt. I don't even know what a microwave

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Speaker 3: matt is. Is it you put it underneath the microwave?

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Speaker 3: Do you put it in the microwave? Where does this

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Speaker 3: mat go? What weird person needs a microwave matt? But

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Speaker 3: apparently this person did, and apparently you can get it

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Speaker 3: for six bucks, And they were really upset that Country

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Speaker 3: Kendy wasn't shutting out six bucks for a microwave matt anyway,

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Speaker 3: Then the staffer would say things out loud in the

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Speaker 3: office like I'll just shut her down. So the staffer

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Speaker 3: that I spoke to said, what they're really worried about

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Speaker 3: is that a person doing an audit like this and

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Speaker 3: wanting to shut down Country kindy doesn't actually necessarily have

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Speaker 3: qualifications you would expect to equip them for this. As

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Speaker 3: far as they knew, the person doing the audit was

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Speaker 3: an ECE teacher and that was the limit of their qualifications.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have any more experience of qualifications to be

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Speaker 3: able to shut a place like this down. Also, the

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Speaker 3: poor owner was made to do ridiculous things like instead

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Speaker 3: of emailing in a document, was instructed to print it

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Speaker 3: out and then drive into Parmester North to drop it off.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that may go some way to explaining

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Speaker 3: I got in touch with the Ministry of Education. They

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Speaker 3: said we were not going to be commenting any further

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Speaker 3: while in matters before court, so they have no defense

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Speaker 3: for it that they can offer. But I feel like

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Speaker 3: it may go some way to explaining why some of

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Speaker 3: the stuff the Ministry of Education does absolutely bonkers. Off

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Speaker 3: to the US next.

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Speaker 1: H the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the question and get the answers by the facts and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Hither due to the elam drive with

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand, let's get connected and you talk because.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Let's get back to US President Joe Biden's

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Speaker 3: make or Break press conference. He did sound more focused

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Speaker 3: than the presidential debate against Donald Trump, but man, he

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Speaker 3: still managed to get some clangers in.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be vice president.

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Speaker 4: I think she was not qualified to be president. So

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Speaker 4: let's start there.

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Speaker 3: Charles Feldman is a presenter for k NX News in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles. H Charles, Hi, how you doing very well?

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Speaker 10: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: After this? He's gone, isn't he?

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Speaker 17: That's a fairly good bet.

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Speaker 18: I mean, some people are saying that it might take

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Speaker 18: another week or maybe two, and he, of course, Biden

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Speaker 18: insists he's in this till the election in November. But

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Speaker 18: you know, there's a growing chorus of his fellow Democrats

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Speaker 18: that are for him to leave the ticket. And there

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Speaker 18: are all kinds of leaked reports about who's talking to

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Speaker 18: whom and who's you know, trying to figure out how

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Speaker 18: to approach him to get him to voluntarily leave the ticket.

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Speaker 18: So it's a difficult situation for him, and it's a

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Speaker 18: trickier situation for his political party.

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Speaker 3: Why would you give him even up to two weeks?

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Speaker 3: Is that how long it's going to take to basically

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Speaker 3: force the mouth?

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Speaker 18: Well, because it has to be done very delicately. You know,

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Speaker 18: he has been consistently digging his heels, and he did

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Speaker 18: so again at the news conference tonight after the NATO conference.

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Speaker 18: You know, every time the question comes up, are you leaving?

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Speaker 18: Are you fit for office? He just says, no, I'm

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Speaker 18: in this until November. He left himself. I think a

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Speaker 18: little wiggle room. At the news conference he said, I

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Speaker 18: believe that, you know, he would leave the ticket as

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Speaker 18: his staff told him it was time to go and

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Speaker 18: he couldn't win against Donald Trump. And then he very

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Speaker 18: quickly added, but they haven't told him that yet. Yeah.

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Speaker 18: The thing is that have they told him that to

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Speaker 18: his face? Probably not. Are they telling that amongst themselves?

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Speaker 18: Apparently so?

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Speaker 3: If he was to go, in all seriousness, Charles given

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Speaker 3: the available candidates who would take over.

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Speaker 18: Well if he were to bow out, the logical choice

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Speaker 18: would be his vice president, Kamala Harris. But there's also

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Speaker 18: a sentiment in the Democratic Party that if he were

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Speaker 18: to drop out, there shouldn't be a sort of coronation,

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Speaker 18: if you want to look at it that way of Harris,

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Speaker 18: that it should be thrown open to other potential candidates

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Speaker 18: at a so called open convention. When the Democrats meet

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Speaker 18: in August. The problem is that the United States hasn't

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Speaker 18: had an open convention in the Senate, that the candidates

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Speaker 18: haven't gone, they're already in effect anointed by the primary system.

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Speaker 18: We haven't had that kind of open convention in decades,

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Speaker 18: so I dare say there probably aren't many people in

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Speaker 18: the Democratic Party who even know how to do one.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point, actually, Charles listen, thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: and best of lucky that Charles Feldman presented for k

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Speaker 3: NX News in Los angelesgiver do for c Ellen. The

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Speaker 3: lawyer acting for the crew on the grounded ferry, is

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Speaker 3: disputing the leaked email that claimed that the crew couldn't

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Speaker 3: get the vessel out of autopilot in time because they

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Speaker 3: didn't know that they had to press the button for

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Speaker 3: five seconds. Last night inter Island, the boss Duncan Roy told.

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Speaker 18: Us this, We've had the black box, which just told

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Speaker 18: us the fact, the fact that the button was pushed.

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Speaker 18: That's what we know. We'll wait for the rest of

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Speaker 18: the investigation to go on so that we know what occurred. Factually.

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Speaker 3: That lawyer is maritime lawyer Troy Stayed, and he's with

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Speaker 3: us now, hey Troy, Hi, Heather, how are well? Thank you? Mate?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to tell us which part of that

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Speaker 3: report you dispute?

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Speaker 5: So I just want to emphasize again we haven't yet

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Speaker 5: seen the black box, the VDR from the vessel, so

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Speaker 5: we aren't in any real position to concretely say what

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Speaker 5: inputs were pushed. Obviously, once we get access to that

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Speaker 5: from ki Rail, we would be in a position to

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Speaker 5: do so. And furthermore, the crew have been quite disappointed

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Speaker 5: that ki Rail released that safety bulletin and distributed it

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Speaker 5: throughout the organization without any consultation with them as to

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Speaker 5: what happened. So it's without talking to real specifics. It's

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Speaker 5: mainly the implications that it was purely a matter of

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Speaker 5: human error on the cruise part. The implications of that.

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Speaker 3: So, reading between the lines, I feel like what you've

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Speaker 3: been trying to say is that they didn't know they

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Speaker 3: had to press the button for five seconds to get

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Speaker 3: it out of autopilot because they hadn't been trained to

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 8: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: So that they have been trained in steering control systems

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Speaker 5: for the vessels, to be sure, and we're trying to

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Speaker 5: come to grips with why their training, didn't didn't correspond

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Speaker 5: with the systems on the ship, resulting in the incident.

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Speaker 5: So I say, we haven't we haven't seen the black

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Speaker 5: box the VDA yet, so we can't speak to that yet.

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Speaker 3: But that sounds Troy, that sounds very much like they

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Speaker 3: didn't know how to get it out right.

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Speaker 5: I can see why you'd think that. Again, I don't

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Speaker 5: yet know that having not seen the black box, what

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Speaker 5: are you going to do?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to sue them?

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Speaker 5: I think that that that sort of discussion is definitely

869
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Speaker 5: very premature. What we're going to do, Heather, as we're

870
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: going to be helping them through the investigatory process. There

871
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 5: are there are three investigations going on at the moment,

872
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: So we've got a a group of mariners who are

873
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: highly experienced, well qualified, etc. But they have been put

874
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 5: into quite an unfortunate set of circumstances, and with all

875
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: the rumor and hearsay going on at the moment, they're feeling,

876
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: obviously personally under a lot of pressure. So we're here

877
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: to advocate for their interests.

878
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: Troy, Listen, what I don't understand is that, I mean,

879
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: the public has formed of view, right, We've all formed

880
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: of view. We think that what happened as the boat

881
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: was put into autopilot, that was fine, and execute button

882
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: was pressed that was not fine. It was done accidentally

883
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: the boat started to turn right and then after that

884
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: they couldn't get the thing out because they couldn't press

885
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: the but they didn't realize that to press the button

886
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: for five seconds. If that is what everybody thinks, right,

887
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: and that is what everybody will continue to think, and

888
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: you think that that's not right, should you not be

889
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: setting the record straight because otherwise we're just going to

890
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: continue thinking that's what happened.

891
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see why I'd think that. Ultimately, though,

892
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 5: we can't set the record straight because we haven't seen

893
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 5: the data ourselves. K we rail are in the position

894
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 5: of having seen it.

895
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: But you've talked to the people. They can tell you

896
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: they were there.

897
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: They can, but they equally so they don't know what

898
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 5: happened for sure on the on the back end of systems.

899
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but why don't you just tell us what their

900
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: experience was.

901
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 5: Their experiences the vessel made a term to starboard and

902
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: ran the ground, and.

903
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: Their experience was that they tried to get it out

904
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: of order pilot, but they didn't know they had to

905
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: press it for five seconds.

906
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 5: They absolutely took all steps that they knew that they

907
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: had available to them. Start Redington right, it is, it is,

908
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: and they've been put in a very unenviable position.

909
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 8: Right.

910
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 5: So yeah, as I said, we're just advocating for their interests.

911
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: Beast of luck with everything, Troy, I appreciated. Troy staid,

912
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: the maritime lawyer representing the bridge crew, listened to this

913
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: about Razor. Friend of mine is at the bar at

914
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: the at a bar in Auckland somewhere at the moment.

915
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: I don't know where, but I think it might be

916
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: the All Blacks Hotel because they've just had a team

917
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: away day. It's like, you know, one of those stupid

918
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: corporate bonding things, and she and her workmates are now

919
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: sitting at this bar at the hotel like they're literally

920
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: doing it. At the moment. She just sent me a

921
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: text she said, Razor is so good at pr He's

922
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 3: jumped off the AB's bus at the hotel, saw a

923
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: bunch of people drinking in the bar. That's them obviously,

924
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: and came in to say hi. He could have avoided us,

925
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: but he saw people and he made a bee line

926
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: for us, the all Blacks will have such a huge

927
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: surge of support from him doing this kind of thing.

928
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 8: I love it.

929
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 3: And then she sent me a picture of the pair

930
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: of them. How good is that?

931
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 6: That is good?

932
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: Pr because how many of us, like you've just had

933
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: a hard day of training or whatever you've done all day?

934
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: It could be fat just rocking up to a bunch

935
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: of drink drinking birds at a bar. I mean, depending

936
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: on what your endgame is, obviously maybe you will, but

937
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: most of us just be like, oh nah, let's just

938
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: go to the room. Anyway. How good, Razor wa a

939
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: breath of fresh air? Anyway, sports title is going to

940
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: be us later this hour. It's quarter past here. The

941
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: why all the stalling and covering on the fairy case

942
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: that is exact? Isn't that exactly what we all want

943
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: to know? Why all the stalling and covering. It feels

944
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: to me like both sides are not sure of themselves.

945
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: Otherwise they just come out and say this is what

946
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: happened and just own it. So both sides are butt

947
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: covering hard right, both sides being the crew and the bosses.

948
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: Eighteen past five now very sad news today. Iconic Ponsonby

949
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 3: restaurant SPQR has been placed into liquidation. The place opened

950
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety two. It's been the place to be

951
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: seen ever since. Mick Jagger ate there once, and of

952
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: course our own Carey would have ate there much much

953
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: more regularly. And Carry is with us right now.

954
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 10: A Kerrie, Oh, I know it's very sad, and it is.

955
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 10: I just want to acknowledge all the hospital industry who

956
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 10: are doing it pretty tough at the moment, and SPQR

957
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 10: is going to get the attention right now, but there

958
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 10: are lots of restaurants and cafes right around the country

959
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 10: that are struggling. Carry.

960
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: It's going to be weird to walk I mean, this

961
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: is an iconic place on Ponsonby Road, right in the

962
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: heart of Ponsonby Road. It's going to be weird to

963
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: walk past it with its massive frontage and there's nothing

964
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: going on.

965
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 10: Well, it used to be a motorbike shop. I used

966
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 10: to live in Brown Street and watched it being transformed

967
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 10: into SPQR. And I think my daughter had the first

968
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 10: Fluffy there when she was three, and now she's in

969
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 10: her mid thirties and has said more than Fluffy's there,

970
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 10: just like mama. But it was just nobody came to

971
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 10: Ponsimb Before SBQR, it was everybody. All the lovely people

972
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 10: went to part now the models and the money market

973
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 10: guys and and Ponsonby became the place to come, thanks

974
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 10: in part to SBQR. And it really understood monarchitungue, you know,

975
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 10: it was.

976
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: It was a vibe.

977
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 10: And I'd come from Wellington where I'd been in hospital,

978
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 10: which was such fun back then, Oh, such fun. And

979
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 10: when I came to Ponzimbe, you could fire a rifle

980
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 10: down the middle of the main street and not hit

981
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 10: anything at ten o'clock at night.

982
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: Is it possible, that is that the liquidation of SBQR

983
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: has coincided with your sobriety?

984
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 10: Quite possibly? I blame I blame myself.

985
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: I mean, not only did you do or to have

986
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: a first fluffy there, but you met your husband there.

987
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 10: I did because it was it wasn't just the place

988
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 10: to see and be seen, it was your neighborhood bar.

989
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 10: So I'd finished work at midnight and would go and

990
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 10: have a glass of red wine and sit by the

991
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 10: fire and read my book at midnight because you could

992
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 10: no makeup and it didn't matter. And and this handsome

993
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 10: irishman wandered over and wondered why I was sitting there

994
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 10: reading by myself. How many long lunches do you reckon?

995
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 3: You had that many?

996
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 18: Yeah?

997
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot, yeah, a lot. If you were still drinking,

998
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: this would save you a lot of money.

999
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 10: Oh, I can't tell you how much money'll save. People

1000
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 10: doing dry July will know this. But that's not helping

1001
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 10: the hospital.

1002
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: Industry, no, Kerry. I worry about something bigger than SPQR here,

1003
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: which is the impact on Ponsonby Road. One of my

1004
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: friends just text me said they've just gone for a

1005
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: drive down Ponsonby Road. Weird to not see people sitting

1006
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: outside SPQ for the longest for the first time, and

1007
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: like ever, the two shops opposite are vacant. There is

1008
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: vacancy and Ponsiby Central next door. This is not good, no, But.

1009
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 10: Then you've got Beautiful Bow, which is up at three

1010
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 10: lamps cent of pons and Me and it's a gorgeous

1011
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 10: little cafe and small, and it's a young woman who

1012
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 10: owns it, who's lived in Ponsomby all her life and

1013
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 10: she's just opened a Delhi next door. So there are

1014
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 10: people who are trying and trying to adapt to the market.

1015
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 10: Hotel Ponts and he's got a list of non alcoholic

1016
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 10: cocktails and that's got a good vibe. But hospital is

1017
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 10: more than food. We can all cook the food, and

1018
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 10: we can all pull the drinks at home. You go

1019
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 10: there because good times are contagious and fun is contagious,

1020
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 10: and you find the place that's got your vibe and

1021
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 10: might not have been SPQUA, might not have been yours,

1022
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 10: but there was another place that was yours. And I

1023
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 10: really worry that we're going to lose that magic of

1024
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 10: anything happening, you know, the potential, the theater of hospitality,

1025
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 10: which I love and which so many amazing people have

1026
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 10: brought to the places they've worked and like ESPQ are. Yeah,

1027
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 10: we'll just mourn the drama, the magic and the fun

1028
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 10: that it all combines to create.

1029
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, here's hoping that somebody comes through to save

1030
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: the thing, if it's even possible. Carrie, thank you for

1031
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: coming in. It's lovely to see you and.

1032
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 10: Your way up to dinner anyway, are you?

1033
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you look beautiful in your rugby shirt. Kirie Woodham

1034
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB presenter and former SPQR regular five to

1035
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: twenty three Heather.

1036
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1037
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's

1038
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as sed B.

1039
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: There is a weird story about a kmart worker who's

1040
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: lost her job because she tried to stop a fight.

1041
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: Some member of the public was trying to kick a

1042
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: couple of security guards and she intervened and the rules

1043
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: at that workplace so you can't intervene, and so she

1044
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: got given the sack. But now she's been reinstated by

1045
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: the RA. So we'll have a chat to the union

1046
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: about that just after the half past five news, right,

1047
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: what's the time five twenty five. There's been a fair

1048
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: bit of discussion today about that lee last night that

1049
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: the government's been advised to break Kiwi Rail into two,

1050
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 3: into a rail business and into a faery business. Now

1051
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: this is a real possibility because I was told by

1052
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: a cabinet minister three weeks ago that they, being the

1053
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: cabinet minister, wanted to do it. The question really is

1054
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: can that get enough support around the cabinet table to

1055
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: be able to actually make the thing work? And I

1056
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: suspect yes, and I suspect actually that this needs to happen.

1057
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: There is a reason that we have the saying a

1058
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: jack of all trades and a master of none, because

1059
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: if you try to do too many things, you're not

1060
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: going to be good at any of them, right, You're

1061
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: just going to be kind of average. And I think

1062
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: that's what's happened to KiwiRail. They suck at running the

1063
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 3: rail network and they also suck at running the ferries.

1064
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: But maybe if they just did one or the other,

1065
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: they would be half got at it. The Irax project

1066
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: right where they were planning to buy those mega fairies

1067
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: and blow billions of dollars on port infrastructure. That is

1068
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: the perfect example of why KiwiRail needs to be broken up.

1069
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 3: Because the idea behind it, or behind the Irax project,

1070
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: which was stupid, was to load trains onto ferries at

1071
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: a staggering cost which would have taken years, if got

1072
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 3: decades to recoup if they were a private business. Now

1073
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: would a fery company right think about this? Would a

1074
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 3: fery company have decided to load enormous and heavy metal

1075
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: trains onto their boats to drag them from one island

1076
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: to another. No, it's way too expensive, But would a

1077
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: rail company which just happens to have a couple of

1078
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: fairies decide to do that, yes, because it works for

1079
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: the rail business. And this is the problem, right, If

1080
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: we want the inter Island a ferry to run like

1081
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: a good ferry service, then we need to take the

1082
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 3: fairies away from the rail guys, because the rail guys

1083
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: are making decisions for rail not for fairies. We need

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Speaker 3: to let this thing be run as a ferry service,

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Speaker 3: not as a few boats that the rail guys have.

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Speaker 3: Does the government then privatize it? Which is the next

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Speaker 3: next decision? I got no opinion. I don't really hate

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Speaker 3: the idea. Have a look at it. If it works,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at Bluebridge. It's private, it's doing a

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Speaker 3: really good job. If that's the next step, fine, But

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Speaker 3: the first step breaking it up absolute no brainer. Now

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Speaker 3: here's a little rumor that's coming out of the Biden camp.

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Speaker 3: So Biden and his team believe that the person who

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Speaker 3: is trying to get rid of him is Barack Obama,

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Speaker 3: his former boss. And the reason they believe this is

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Speaker 3: because Barack Obama and George Clooney are really tight with

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Speaker 3: each other. They did that fundraising just the other day

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Speaker 3: that big fundraising event for Joe Biden. It turns out

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Speaker 3: that George Clooney actually got in touch with Barack Obama

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Speaker 3: before he put that editorial in the New York Times,

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Speaker 3: and Barack Obama did nothing to stop it going to print. Now,

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Speaker 3: if Barack Obama actually had his back as and had

1103
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Speaker 3: Biden's back, he would have stopped it. But he didn't.

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Speaker 3: But they actually think it's more than just kind of

1105
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Speaker 3: being like, Okay, George, you do your thing. They think

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Speaker 3: he's orchestrating the stuff. And the other reason they think

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Speaker 3: that is because David Axelrod, who's a very close friend

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Speaker 3: of Obama's, has been one of the most outspoken critics

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Speaker 3: of Biden. So drama in the White House Headline's next Hard.

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Speaker 1: Questions, Strong opinion Heather due for see Allen Drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as

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Speaker 1: it'd be.

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Speaker 12: It's right.

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Speaker 14: Hither.

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Speaker 3: There's got to be more to the SPQR story. I

1116
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: don't believe business could have been that bad. There's always

1117
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: more to a story, right, I mean, even with this

1118
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: and Kobe's story, there's more to it. The downfall of

1119
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: Queen Street, the competition from the emerging malls around the place,

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Speaker 3: like you know at the end of those big department stores,

1121
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: but also how hard businesses. And believe me, business is

1122
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: hard out there. You talk to the retailers and they

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Speaker 3: even saying this now in the media you can see

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Speaker 3: it all over the shop. Retail is now harder than

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Speaker 3: it was during the global financial crisis. And possibly the

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00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: last time that we saw retail this bad was back

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00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 3: in the seventies, and there is data to back that up.

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Speaker 19: So it is.

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Speaker 3: It is tough. Now. I realize SPQR is not retail,

1130
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: it's hospo. But those two things go very very closely

1131
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: hand in hand, don't they. Hey, somebody just text this

1132
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: through to me. Did you realize the saying jack of

1133
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: all trades, master of none goes on to finish like this,

1134
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: though oftentimes better than a master of one who knew

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00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 3: twenty three away from.

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Speaker 2: Sex, Heather do to see Ellen so.

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Speaker 3: At worker who lost her job for trying to stop

1138
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 3: a fight has had it given back to her by

1139
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: the Employment Relations authority. Get a load of what happened

1140
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: to Kay. The worker was coming back from her break

1141
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: at Kmark, came out and Patistan North when she spotted

1142
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 3: a member of the public trying to kick a couple

1143
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: of security guards. So she then tried to calm things

1144
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: down by intervening, but KMART said that was a breach

1145
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: of its health and safety policy and gave her the

1146
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: sack for it. She's represented by First Union. Their organizer

1147
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: is Dione Martin and dial Martin's with me, now, Haydn.

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Speaker 17: Well, by the way, she didn't intervene, she de escalated

1149
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Speaker 17: the situation.

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00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: Well she intervened, didn't she die on?

1151
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 20: Like she got between them, See she waited way her

1152
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 20: hands out in front of them, and both of the

1153
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 20: two different security guards and the actually of security later on,

1154
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 20: you know, wonderful email to the relations authorities commending her

1155
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 20: for what she did favor the two security guards getting

1156
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 20: kicked him ahead because the guy wasn't after her, he

1157
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 20: was after the two security guards catching him shot with me.

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00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: So the heart of Kmart's policy, just tell me if

1159
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: this is right? Is there trying to protect staff? So

1160
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: they say staff can't intervene to try to stop this

1161
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: kind of thing for their own good basically, and we

1162
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: support that.

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 17: We say, don't intervene, follow the policy. But they've got

1164
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 17: to take into account instinct of human reaction. That's what

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 17: she wholefully happened in eighteen seconds. And she saw the

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00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 17: people and she's put away the hand a no, no, no,

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00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 17: don't do that, and someone called the police, you know,

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00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 17: and she was commended for that because but sack tribe

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00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 17: the company.

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Speaker 3: That seems like a massive overreaction to somebody who's just

1171
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: acted instinctively, been a good sort, saved a couple of

1172
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: security guards getting hurt. What's wrong with Kmart?

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Speaker 17: Well, actually, I'd like to separate the kmart itself as

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00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 17: that a good organization we find, a very collaborative, a

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00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 17: really playing the living wage, the good clicktive agreement we

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Speaker 17: have with them as a union. But you know, as

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Speaker 17: a certain management decisions and a certain individuals, you can't.

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Speaker 17: You've got to separate that from the organization Camart.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the hr idiots is it?

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Speaker 17: Well no, no, well, no, no, the hr Bactually basically

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Speaker 17: here is some mended the final written the warning. It

1182
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 17: was overalled by the by the regional manager, and no

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Speaker 17: one on the day knew who the decision maker was.

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00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 17: When when when she was dismissed. If one to have denied,

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Speaker 17: they would decision make her and we found only found

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Speaker 17: out later on it's really weird.

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Speaker 3: Is she going to go back to work? Because this field,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd want to work there.

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Speaker 17: In many ways, she doesn't really feel like you know,

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Speaker 17: you can see it's in a natural reaction to that.

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Speaker 17: But in the end, it is the term in person

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Speaker 17: and really popular, loved, loved and respected by her fellow workers.

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Speaker 17: And that's why they couldn't figured it out. Everyone was

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Speaker 17: like wanting to put up you know, a good a

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Speaker 17: good word for her and witness statements and stuff and that,

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Speaker 17: and they could not believe that. Why are they picking

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Speaker 17: on her?

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Speaker 3: Lovely Listen, is this actually about businesses and not just

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Speaker 3: came up, but businesses like kmart covering their own butts

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Speaker 3: when it comes to health and safety because they could

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Speaker 3: potentially be in the gun if somebody gets hurt in

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Speaker 3: an instance like this.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, they are liable. It is about company as you're

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00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 17: absoletely right, and we tell works there's a tension between

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00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 17: we tail, which is, you know, they find it really

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Speaker 17: frustrating not be able to do anything and security guards

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00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 17: can't do anything and touch people who just walk out

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00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 17: with the goods and stuff. But In the end, we

1209
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 17: say it's not worth the money you're getting paid to

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Speaker 17: put yourself in a situation where you're going to get

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Speaker 17: and we agree to agree with the company. But they're

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Speaker 17: doing it to protect their liability. We're doing it to

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Speaker 17: protect our members.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Diane, listen, thank you for talking to us. Appreciated

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Speaker 3: dial Martin first union organizer. Mark my words, this will

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Speaker 3: be that stupid health and safety legislation again. That thing

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00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: needs to rewrite big time. Go Brook van Valden nineteen

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Speaker 3: away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional

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Speaker 1: marketing for every property.

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Speaker 15: I'm just incredible.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know the words.

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Speaker 19: You know, we're right.

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Speaker 7: I'm all black rugby.

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Speaker 21: But again for an old fat test mat time wrestles,

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Speaker 21: you've even sixteen eight for fifty I guess challenge this

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Speaker 21: week because no two test matches are the same and

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 21: England are certainly going to be better.

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Speaker 20: So that's where our focus has been on.

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Speaker 3: Sports title This evening got Elliot Smith news talks. He'd

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Speaker 3: be rugby commentator and lanky star as sports journalist.

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Speaker 21: Hello you two evening, that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be Sae Elliottes. Are the All Blacks going to come

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Speaker 3: into this test stronger because they've had another week in camp,

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Speaker 3: or are the English going to come into this test

1236
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: stronger because they almost got there and they know they

1237
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 3: can do it.

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Speaker 21: I think the All Blacks are going a little bit

1239
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 21: stronger than last week. They will have learned and hopefully

1240
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 21: figured out some ways to combat that rush defense that

1241
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 21: England put into place. England will have learned a few

1242
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 21: lessons themselves around the misses off the tea from Marcus Smith.

1243
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 21: Hopefully the All Blacks have learned how to kick a

1244
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 21: goal in sixty seconds over the past as well. I

1245
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 21: think both teams will probably go in a little bit better,

1246
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Speaker 21: But I think the edge for the All Blacks comes

1247
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 21: with that extra week of learning, the bit more analysis

1248
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 21: from those coaches, and the fact of it as well.

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Speaker 21: For England, it's the last week of their season. It

1250
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Speaker 21: could go one or two ways. Could have one last

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Speaker 21: effort before they go into their summer, or the toll

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Speaker 21: of eleven months and this is going back to really

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Speaker 21: last July August when they gathered for pre World Cup matches,

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Speaker 21: so they've been going for how many months? So I

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Speaker 21: think the All Blacks will win again tomorrow night, and

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Speaker 21: perhaps by a little bit more than one point.

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Speaker 3: Nikki, do you reckon? I mean last week was so

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00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: stressful because I stressed out for Razor. I was like,

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Speaker 3: this guy can't lose his first match. Can I relax?

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Speaker 3: Can I be like if you lose a second one,

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Speaker 3: it's okay?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Look, I think Razer knows that being the All Black

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Speaker 13: coach is one of the worst jobs in the world,

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Speaker 13: as well as being one of the best. You're only

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00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 13: your last performance, so he's got to come out and

1267
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 13: prove that he is the goods. He showed last week

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Speaker 13: that he can get the job done, but I don't

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00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 13: think any pressure has actually come often. I think the

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Speaker 13: good thing, as Elliott said, is that they've had that

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Speaker 13: beek together each week now and they've ironed out a

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00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 13: few sort of jitters and nerves and they can get

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Speaker 13: on with it. And I think they where they do

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00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 13: have a strength is in that set piece. I think

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 13: they were stronger than England and the set piece and

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Speaker 13: also at the breakdown. I think they're going to have

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Speaker 13: to show some improvement this week, and I think a

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 13: lot of that too, will come with the loss of

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Speaker 13: Joe marlab the you know, the English prop, the young

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 13: fella from Baxter. He's got a big job ahead of him,

1281
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 13: you know. And they were average around the scrum last week.

1282
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 13: So if the All Blacks can get good solid base,

1283
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 13: get good ball, I think they will go on and

1284
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 13: get the job done.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what surprised me, Elliott, was how on earth?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've had this this time limit on a

1287
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: conversion for a while. Why have we not had a

1288
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: shot clock before. It's not like it's a new idea.

1289
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: Well it's not.

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Speaker 21: And it was really came into force it last year's

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00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 21: World Cup and it was on the big screen the

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Speaker 21: World Cup last year, in a number of games, I

1293
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 21: think most all of them, certainly that I was there for.

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00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 21: I don't know why it hasn't been put on New

1295
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 21: Zealand big screens. Whether it's like technology thing or whatever

1296
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Speaker 21: it might be.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Elliott, how hard is the technology thing?

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Speaker 21: You just need some ell you think so? But look

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Speaker 21: I'm no led expert. But fortunately, and it's probably taking

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Speaker 21: something like this to go. Actually we should put it

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Speaker 21: on the big screen to happen.

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Speaker 2: This is the problem.

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00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 21: It should be that it should be a world ruggy

1304
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 21: mandated thing. If you don't have a shot clock, it

1305
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 21: should be every stadium around the globe. So they need

1306
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 21: they needed to put it in the first place.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't be blaming inseet out, but this is the problem.

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00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: This is the problem with the rugby bosses, Nikki, is

1309
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 3: that the obvious thing to add drama to a game

1310
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: which is lacking drama is steering them in the face

1311
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 3: and they can't even see they need to put a

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: shot clock up.

1313
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 13: Oh you know, look at human nature. I think when

1314
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Speaker 13: you don't see something breaking, you don't feel the need

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Speaker 13: to exert.

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00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: It's literally their job to try to get people more

1317
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: engaged with the game. Like they know they're losing engagement

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00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: and they're like, how can we engage people? This is obvious.

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Speaker 13: Don't start me on New Zealand rugby because I have

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Speaker 13: my yes, I have my own on some of the

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01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 13: archaic ways of dealing with things. Look, the good news

1322
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 13: is it is the I think the problem was in

1323
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 13: Super Rugby it was dealt with by the referee successfully.

1324
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 13: So perhaps this has just highlighted that it doesn't always

1325
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 13: work like that, and gosh, yeah, it's a little bit embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it No, But also Elliott, the point is for

1327
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Speaker 3: us as the audience, right, because you know d mack

1328
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: has got to do the thing right. He's got to

1329
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Speaker 3: look at the post with a serious face first, and

1330
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: then he's got to look down at the ball, and

1331
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: then he's got to do the grinny thing up right. Now,

1332
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Speaker 3: you know that that's a good ten to fifteen seconds

1333
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: a lot he can punt that view. So imagine you're

1334
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: sitting there, you're watching that show clock winding down and

1335
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: d Mac's doing his smile and you're like, you've got

1336
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: to kick it, make you got to kick it.

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Speaker 21: Drama, drama absolutely, And last week there was that added

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 21: thing and we were in the seventy eight seventy ninth minutes,

1339
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 21: so he was also looking to wind down the clock

1340
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 21: as much as possible. So perhaps you usually he might

1341
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 21: have taken his kick a little bit quicker about I

1342
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 21: think he was trying to balance bo get the kick over,

1343
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 21: but also the clock. Absolutely, but the referee was quite

1344
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 21: clear last week. I think he made a very accurate decision.

1345
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 21: I could hear in my commentary effects peace twenty seconds

1346
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 21: to go and Damion Ckenzi didn't begin his march in

1347
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 21: So whether Damien didn't hear it or not, I don't know,

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Speaker 21: but fortunately common sense has prevailed and we've got one

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Speaker 21: this week.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we'll take a break with you two thirteen

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 1: Sex the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,

1353
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Speaker 1: unparalleled reach and results.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the sports huddle on Lucky Styrus

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01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: and Elliott Smith, Nikki, how far do you reckon Lulusen

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01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: can go? I mean, is this just the start?

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Speaker 13: Look, it's an interesting one, isn't it? Because she just

1358
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 13: sort of came out of nowhere, But probably in her

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 13: mind she didn't. She's been working towards us all her life,

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Speaker 13: and I think that the stars have sort of really

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 13: aligned to her. If you look at all the factors,

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Speaker 13: you know, and do a bit of research on her,

1363
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 13: you know she's she's come from an interesting background. Obviously,

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01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 13: she was born and bred in New Zealand, but her

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01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 13: parents WANs Croatian, her dad's Croatian, her mum is Chinese.

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Speaker 13: And she attributes a lot of her character so her

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Speaker 13: parents and what they've instilled in her in her life.

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Speaker 13: And I think particularly the hard working aspect from her

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Speaker 13: mum and the fact that her mum, you know, was

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Speaker 13: very much about you do the hardy, you will succeed.

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Speaker 13: And I think too with the new coach that she's

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Speaker 13: got is Slovakian and he has come out saying, you know,

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Speaker 13: this is all about confidence. She just needs the confidence

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Speaker 13: to know that she can do it. She's got the skills,

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 13: she's got the right metal, and that she has now

1376
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Speaker 13: sholeen that she does have the metal to go all

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Speaker 13: the way. And so now that she has that confidence,

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Speaker 13: I think, you know, the world is her oyster and.

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Speaker 3: It's got to get better Elliott, because she had to

1380
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Speaker 3: play three qualifying matches just to get to the point

1381
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Speaker 3: that she did in Wimbledon. Right now she doesn't have

1382
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 3: to do that because of her ranking, so it's going

1383
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: to be easy.

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Speaker 21: It's all about ranking points and intendency and getting into

1385
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Speaker 21: the slams. And once you're in those slams, you know,

1386
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 21: women's tennis, lovery is the wrong word. But in the

1387
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 21: post Serena at William Zero, how many Grand Slam champions

1388
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Speaker 21: have there been? There's been heaps of them and no

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 21: one's really dominated. And Nomeo Osaka was there for a

1390
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Speaker 21: few minutes. Eh, Fiontech's probably the best player in the world,

1391
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 21: but even she struggles at Wimbledon. So there are so

1392
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 21: many opportunities I think for lulu'sim. I guess the jury

1393
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 21: is out until we see a play a few more

1394
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,959
Speaker 21: slams under that New Zealand banner.

1395
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:07,959
Speaker 18: But what a start.

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Speaker 21: And when she came over, it sort of went well,

1397
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 21: you know, looking at her credentials, you know whether she's

1398
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 21: going to be any good or not, and it feels like, oh,

1399
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Speaker 21: maybe she'll switch and she won't amount to much. Well

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 21: she's just done that in the course of a week,

1401
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 21: because you just don't know when they switch eligibilities, whether

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 21: whatever reason it is, we're.

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: Coming here because you kind of suck a little bit

1404
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: and you'll be better with us, that's.

1405
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Speaker 21: Right, yeah, exactly, And credit to her. And yet she

1406
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 21: has been outstanding And what a story because we haven't

1407
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 21: had a lot of tennis players to get behind in

1408
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 21: New Zealand. Rio Rakovic the last one I know the

1409
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 21: doubles players that I'm very very well, but singles is

1410
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 21: where it's at in tennis, and we haven't had one

1411
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 21: a play like that for quite some time. And to

1412
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 21: ride that wave during the week was pretty special.

1413
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Speaker 3: Yeah cool. Hey guys, just very quickly from each of you. Nikki,

1414
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Speaker 3: do you think England can win the Euros?

1415
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Speaker 13: My heart is that Spain will win it because they've

1416
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 13: been the most entertaining team and probably on form are

1417
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 13: the better side. However, England proved in that last game

1418
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 13: they can attack, they can't score cold, and they can win.

1419
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 21: Elliott, They're the great bottlers and world sports, so I

1420
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 21: expect them to do that again Monday morning. Although I've

1421
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 21: got on the work sweepstack, so financially compromised. But yeah,

1422
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 21: they're bottled again.

1423
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Speaker 7: Space.

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Speaker 3: You would have been gutted when you drew that in

1425
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: the work.

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Speaker 21: Now they've got a song about how they never win anything, yeah,

1427
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 21: and how it's you know, it's been thirty forty fifty

1428
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 21: years I've heard, so that was my tack. But look,

1429
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 21: I'd love them to win it, but I suspect my monkey.

1430
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suspect so too. Well, we'll see if you're surprised. Hey, guys,

1431
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Speaker 3: thank you both. Have you really appreciated Nicky Steyer a

1432
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: sports journalist and Elliott Smith News Talk Zibbie Rugby commentator

1433
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: who will be there tomorrow from seven o'clock calling the

1434
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: All Blacks versus England match at Eden Park seven away

1435
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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business

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Speaker 1: News Talk ZIBBI.

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Speaker 3: Quite a few texts in support of the kmart staff

1441
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Speaker 3: wickn no surprise at all, cave mat stuf staff members

1442
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 3: should commended, made a positive example of kmart staff member

1443
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 3: should have morning tea and a bonus. Hr eediots, etcetera, etcetera.

1444
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 3: I mean I feel some sympathy, like to a point

1445
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: for businesses trying to protect themselves because that HR that sorry,

1446
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: that health and safety law is really really bad and

1447
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: it is putting businesses in a very difficult position. This

1448
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: is the reason why the Defense Force didn't let didn't

1449
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: let their staff help out with the silt clearing health

1450
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: and safety law. This is the reason why the police

1451
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 3: did not let anybody go to White to FORCADI White

1452
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 3: Island and save people who were at risk of dying.

1453
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 3: Health and safety law like it is really bad and

1454
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: it needs to be rewritten. And Brook van Belden is

1455
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 3: doing it. We're going to talk to a christ Church

1456
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 3: space company after six They've just got permission to fly

1457
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: at an unlimited speed, which basically means they can go

1458
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: to supersonic speed and faster. It's Dawn Aerospace. They'll be

1459
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 3: with us shortly. Right now, it's coming up four away

1460
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: from Sex coal wash. That's right, Bob sent me an

1461
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: email Heather. Huntley's been chugging away at about four hundred

1462
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: and sixty mega watts over the last couple of weeks,

1463
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 3: but yesterday and today it's been running higher and about

1464
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: six hundred and eighty megawatts. That's close to its maximum capacity.

1465
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 3: Looks to Bob like they've brought another Huntly unit into

1466
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: service after maintenance this morning, says Bob. Coal was running

1467
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: at ninety percent of coal capacity and hydro was running

1468
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: at fifty two percent. Ninety percent. That is like if

1469
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: you're if you can put that much colon, We were

1470
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Speaker 3: putting ninety percent of the maximum amount of colon. Which

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Speaker 3: I would just like to draw to the attention of

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Speaker 3: all the environmentalists and Greens and Labor Party members who

1473
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: are listening to this right now, because yes, it's a

1474
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: terrible idea to allow gas exploration. Again, it's a really

1475
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: bad idea. We shouldn't go and get any more gas.

1476
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 3: We should ban gas and we should just go just

1477
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 3: really go hard on that coal at Huntly. That sounds

1478
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: like a fantastic idea. I really love it. Keep going

1479
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 3: with that quick heads up. I shouldn't be giving you

1480
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 3: a heads up, but I'm going to give you a

1481
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: heads up. Pay your bills to the IID please. Because

1482
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 3: the crackdown has started, they've started the unannounced business of

1483
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 3: visits to the construction sites. So that started doing it

1484
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 3: this month to catch the tradees who are doing the cashies.

1485
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: And also, and I am on board with this one,

1486
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: they are chasing people overseas who have a student loan

1487
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: but have property in New Zealand. They say, if you've

1488
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 3: got an investment property here, you should be meeting your

1489
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 3: loan repayment obligations here here. And then also the people

1490
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: who are not paying the taxes on the profits they're

1491
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: making from cryptocurrency, They're coming for you. But a water

1492
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: cheek to have properties in New Zealand but not be

1493
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 3: paying your student loan baite, They're coming for your headlines next.

1494
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Speaker 1: Hell you, we're a business meets Insight the business hour,

1495
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: we'd head a duple clan and my HR on.

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Speaker 18: News b.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. China has rejected

1498
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 3: NATO's accusation that it's supporting Russia's warn Ukraine. Peter Lewis

1499
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: is going to talk us through that. We're going to

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Speaker 3: rap the political week that was, and then Gavin Gray

1501
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: might explain why his Prime minister is covering for Biden.

1502
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Speaker 3: Seven past six now, a christ Ut space company has

1503
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: just cop permission to fly at unlimited speed, which means

1504
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 3: it's going to be able to go at supersonic speed

1505
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,560
Speaker 3: and faster. Dawn Aerospace is on track to become the

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Speaker 3: first privately funded company to break the speed of sound.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Powell is the CEO and also co founder of

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 3: Dawn Aerospace and with us now, hey, Stephan.

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: Hey here, the hell's gone very well, thank you.

1510
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: Now, where are you guys going to be flying this fast?

1511
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 9: We'll be flying in the same place we've done the

1512
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 9: last fifty flights of our aircraft. That'll be out of

1513
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 9: Glenown Herodrome on the South Island.

1514
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: And if you go this fast, is it are people

1515
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 3: going to hear it?

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 9: You should be able to hear it from the ground.

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01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 9: It's not going to be like an earth shattering boom

1518
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,480
Speaker 9: of any kind you but yeah, you should.

1519
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 17: Be able to hear it.

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Speaker 3: What does it sound like?

1521
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just kind of like a like a low

1522
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 9: thunder sort of off in the distance.

1523
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: And like, is it just one thunder as you break

1524
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 3: the sound barrier or is it a repetitive thunder of

1525
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 3: ongoing thunder?

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like it's a wave of sound that hits you.

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 5: Sough.

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just a single boom just like it really

1529
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 9: just in the same way that thunder is also breaking

1530
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 9: the sound barrier.

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01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: Oh really, how interesting. I see you guys are clear

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: to fly?

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: Is it?

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 3: Am? I right up to eighty thousand feet? Yep, that's correct, right,

1535
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 3: you want to increase that?

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01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, So the point of us actually choosing eighty thousand

1537
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 9: feet is that the normal airspace actually only goes to

1538
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 9: sixty thousand feet, So Civil Aviation Authority only has jurisdiction

1539
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 9: up to that sixty thousand But we said, hey, we

1540
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 9: want to go to eighty and we want to fly

1541
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 9: in aircraft there. But that actually means we have to

1542
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 9: go talk to the Space Agency as well, and they

1543
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 9: need to issue up a high altitude license for that

1544
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 9: extra twenty thousand feet now, because we have both licenses,

1545
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 9: and that's a world first, by the way, having both

1546
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 9: licenses for a single via that now sets the stage

1547
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 9: for us as say, well, we can fly to eighty

1548
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 9: how about three hundred thousands now and by the way,

1549
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 9: the highest an aircraft has ever flown from a runway

1550
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 9: up is one hundred and twenty five thousand feet and

1551
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 9: we're aiming for three hundred and thirty thousand. So our

1552
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 9: mission here is to actually exceed the altitude that an

1553
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 9: aircraft has ever flown by about two and a half times.

1554
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 3: Stefan, what's at three hundred and thirty thousand feet that

1555
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 3: you want to get to.

1556
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 9: That's kind of a generally accepted border to space, that

1557
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 9: one hundred kilometers altitude, and that's pretty much typical of

1558
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 9: what the first stage of a rocket does. So a

1559
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 9: rocket typically two bits. One does that suborbital trajectory up

1560
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 9: to about one hundred kilometers altitude, and the second bit

1561
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 9: is the bit that actually goes off into orbit you

1562
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 9: know that you know, would have a satellite on board

1563
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 9: and actually stays up there. So that first stage falls

1564
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 9: back down. But that first stage is it's about eighty

1565
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 9: percent of the rocket and it's about eighty percent of

1566
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 9: the cost. If we can show that we can do

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01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 9: that with an aircraft that we can fly multiple times

1568
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 9: a day, very very cheaply, we can dramatically reduce the

1569
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,440
Speaker 9: cost of getting to space.

1570
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: Right because you don't have that.

1571
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 9: But that falls down, Yeah, exactly, So it means it's

1572
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 9: much much sayerch much much lower costs. You know, we

1573
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 9: don't have to keep rebuilding that thing. It doesn't end

1574
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 9: up in the ocean. It's just better for everyone.

1575
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 3: And why do you want to go up to space?

1576
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: What's the what's the business plan?

1577
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 9: Oh, there's I mean, there's there's so many reasons to

1578
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 9: go to space. So we're not the ones building the satellite.

1579
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 9: We're the ones that want to be able to provide

1580
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 9: the taxi service to space. But there's literally hundreds of

1581
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 9: reasons to go to space. There's the number of satellites

1582
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 9: being launched is increasing dramatically. Just between December and May

1583
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 9: this year, the number of satellite operational satellites went from

1584
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 9: nine thousand to ten thousand, ten percent increase in operational

1585
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 9: satellite in only six months. It's the booming industry.

1586
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 3: To service you expect to carry people, Yeah, not not in.

1587
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 9: Them a short to medium term, yeah, you know, for

1588
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 9: the for the foreseeable future, it's all about taking satellites.

1589
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 3: Now, you've been talking to the US military and NASA

1590
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 3: as well. What are they interested in here?

1591
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 9: So discussions with the US military are pretty preliminary. There's

1592
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 9: not really really much to talk about there. But are

1593
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 9: interested in just keeping tabs on anyone flying high and fast,

1594
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 9: So there's there's nothing particularly substantial there. But NASA is

1595
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 9: particularly interested in atmospheric science, in simulating Martian gravity. So

1596
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 9: because we can fly very high and fast with an aircraft,

1597
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,520
Speaker 9: you can fly it just the right sort of trajectory

1598
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 9: so that you actually stimulate the gravity on Mars. So

1599
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 9: you can test a whole bunch of equipment that you

1600
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 9: kind of send to Mars. You can you can test

1601
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 9: it on this plane like a flying lab.

1602
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 3: How want and Stephanie, how on Earth if we become

1603
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 3: a player in the space race.

1604
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a good question, because we do seem to

1605
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 9: be doing oddly good at it. There's hundreds of millions

1606
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 9: of dollars being thrown at this industry in the state,

1607
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 9: and it's TV companies that are actually coming out on top.

1608
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 9: I personally believe it's a kind of a combination of

1609
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 9: just the number eight y mentality being really good at

1610
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 9: making do with what you have, but it's also somewhat

1611
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 9: the scarcity. It's the fact that we actually just don't

1612
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 9: have the same resources as then that forces us to

1613
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 9: come up with better solutions, brilliant stuff.

1614
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 11: Man.

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 3: Best of Like, I'm looking forward to seeing how you

1616
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: go with this is Stephen Powell Dawn Aerospace. How cool

1617
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: is this? These people? I mean, like if you'd said

1618
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: to me, you know what I remember being I reckon

1619
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 3: eight years old. We were living in Massy. I know

1620
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: it was tough, tough, tough streets to Massy, living in Massy,

1621
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you remember this, but you

1622
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 3: used to be able to at the supermarket buy like

1623
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 3: a folder it was Quest. Used to be able to

1624
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 3: buy this ring binder called Quest, and then you used

1625
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 3: to be able to every week buy the little things

1626
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 3: that you could then put in the ring binder. It's

1627
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 3: all about science and space and stuff. That you'd said

1628
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 3: to me, I was eight years old, New Zealand was

1629
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: going to become a significant player in the space industry

1630
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 3: or what I mean, like, no, not a chance. We

1631
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: how many of these guys were off buying their little

1632
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: quests with being collecting it as well. And look where

1633
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: they have gone, Look where I've gone. I mean, they

1634
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 3: are obviously doing a lot more with the quest than

1635
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 3: I am. When I said earlier that Sir Kia Starmer

1636
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: is covering for Biden, this is what I mean. He

1637
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 3: has met with Joe Biden. He has then obviously been asked,

1638
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: like everybody who's met with Joe Biden, is he seen ole?

1639
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 3: He's asked, but the reporters have asked him that, and

1640
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 3: he's denied that Joe Biden is senal. He says, the

1641
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 3: eighty one year old is absolutely mentally agile and across

1642
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 3: all detail during their hour long meeting in Washington. Now,

1643
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 3: to be fair, I mean, it's they are in awkward positions,

1644
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 3: aren't they the world leaders. The same thing has just

1645
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: happened with Luxean because he obviously caught up with Worth

1646
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 3: Biden briefly and was obviously asked by our reporters what

1647
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 3: was up? Was he sharp? He was like, absolutely, he

1648
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: was sharp. On top of his brief they can't get

1649
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 3: into a diplomatic incident where they start slagging off the

1650
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 3: president and telling us what they really think. Guarantee you

1651
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 3: that's not what they really think. But we'll talk to

1652
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray about it shortly, Heather, if you work at Bunnings,

1653
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: Bunnings says you can retaliate with equal force if somebody

1654
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 3: is being violent in the store. So if they punch you,

1655
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 3: you can punch back. And if they pick up a

1656
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: piece of a piece of timber, so can you. That's

1657
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: the way to run the place.

1658
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,959
Speaker 2: Quarter past, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1659
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupice Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to

1660
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

1661
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Speaker 3: Seventeen past six. Just a reminder, we're going to be

1662
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 3: talking to Peter Lewis out of Hong Kong very shortly.

1663
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 3: Right now, let's wrap the political week that was. And

1664
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan is The Herald's deputy political editor in for

1665
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: Barri soober tonight. Thomas, Hello, hello, Heather. Okay, so when

1666
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 3: does Darlene Tanner quit?

1667
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, deep breath. I mean there's a real question of

1668
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 14: whether she actually does quit. I always think there's a

1669
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 14: lot of pressure. We often don't think about situations like

1670
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 14: these from the perspectives of the MPs themselves. Now obviously

1671
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 14: Darling Tunner in this business situation with the family bike persons,

1672
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 14: it's not going so well. As an MP, She's earning

1673
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 14: pretty good income, about one hundred and seventy thousand dollars

1674
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 14: a year. She's got that pretty much guaranteed until the

1675
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 14: end of the parliament. So so for personal reasons alone,

1676
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 14: she's got plenty of reason to stick around in parliament,

1677
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 14: clip the ticket for the next two years and work out.

1678
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 3: What she wants to do. But imagine turning up and like,

1679
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 3: the whole place doesn't want you there. How awkward that is?

1680
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 14: Yeah, you're precisely right, incredibly awkward. She'll sit in the

1681
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 14: same kind of Siberia part of the House that Jamie

1682
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,919
Speaker 14: Rosso of Sharma used to sit, and it's it's hugely embarrassing.

1683
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 14: I mean, it is a it is an immensely embarrassing

1684
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 14: way to end your political career. But I think there

1685
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 14: is a lot of you know, for no other reason

1686
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 14: other than your own sort of personal circumstances, there's a

1687
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,839
Speaker 14: lot of pressure to stay and if you're not compelled

1688
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 14: to leave for your own sense of pride and self worth,

1689
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 14: then you might decide to give into those personal personal

1690
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 14: pressures and just say, but you know, I think there

1691
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 14: is immense you know, to you really a sort of point,

1692
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 14: there's immense kind of political pressure on her to go.

1693
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 14: It is the sort of honorable thing to do. Obviously,

1694
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 14: now that all of the stuff has come out, that

1695
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 14: the report is about the executive salary, the report is

1696
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 14: about to come out, and I think, you know, following that,

1697
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 14: certainly there will be immense kind of public pressure on

1698
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 14: her to say, look, you know, this isn't what you

1699
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 14: expect from an MP. It really is incumbent upon you

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01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 14: to go.

1701
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 3: We spoke to Gareth Hughes, the former Green MP, earlier

1702
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 3: in the week and he suggested that the Greens are

1703
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 3: not really planning to use the Waker jumping legislation to

1704
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: force her out. They just want to use it as

1705
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 3: a threat.

1706
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 14: What do you think That is a really interesting view

1707
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 14: from Gareth Hughes. I think we won't know the answer

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 14: to that until the AGM. It's at the end of

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 14: this month in christ Church, last weekend of the month.

1710
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 14: You know, as we remember from a couple of years ago.

1711
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 14: The Green members at that AGM wielded an enormous amount

1712
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 14: of power. They can even get rid of the leaders

1713
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 14: if they want to. Now, I've heard this rumor going around,

1714
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 14: and it's hard to know how true it is because

1715
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 14: these members haven't come to publicly and said it, but

1716
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 14: that there is a remit being prepared where the Green

1717
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 14: members would be called upon to to to vote in

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01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 14: a remit that would tell the from send the message

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 14: from the members to the leadership to trigger the Waker

1720
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Speaker 14: Jumping Bill. So it's not until that point that we

1721
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 14: will actually know whether the party wants to use the

1722
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 14: Waker Jumping law to get.

1723
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: Rid of her.

1724
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 14: But there's a very there's a very real prospect that

1725
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 14: those Green members say, right, you know, we don't like

1726
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 14: the Walker jumping law, We've never liked the Walker jumping law,

1727
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 14: but what she has done is bad enough that we

1728
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 14: actually think we're going to hold our noses and use it.

1729
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 14: And if they if they put a remit forward, if

1730
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 14: it passes with seventy five percent of the members, then

1731
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 14: then that would compel Chloe, Spoulbrock and Mardain and Davidson

1732
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 14: to write that to the speaker and then she's gone.

1733
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 14: But you know, it's an answer that you'll get in

1734
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,600
Speaker 14: two weeks time, I think, because if she survives after that,

1735
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 14: then she's probably good.

1736
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, it's a very fair point to make.

1737
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: How much is lux and loving himself sick at the

1738
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: moment in Washington? I mean, he looks like he's enjoying himself,

1739
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 3: doesn't he.

1740
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 14: Oh, yes, kid in a candy shop. You know, there's

1741
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 14: noticed some mus I think there's noticed. Something's pretty good

1742
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 14: for us. You know, it's thirty one thirty two country

1743
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 14: that normally wouldn't give New Zealand at the time of day.

1744
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 14: So it's a great opportunity for New Zealand to fly

1745
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 14: into the Northern Hemisphere and meet a lot of pretty

1746
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 14: serious world leaders who would be out of alley at

1747
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 14: the United Nations and stuff. So so, so it's a

1748
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 14: great opportunity for any New Zealand Prime minister. But he's

1749
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 14: he's a self confessed American politics nerd. So it's sort

1750
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 14: of it seems to be, you know, like eighty percent

1751
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 14: you know, governmental diplomatic relations and perhaps twenty percent political

1752
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 14: murdery for Crystal extent at the moment, he seems to

1753
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 14: joying himself a.

1754
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 3: Lot, so publicly and officially he has to say that

1755
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: Joe Biden is sharp and across the detail and stuff

1756
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: like that. But when you guys get him in private,

1757
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, walking in the corridor or something,

1758
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 3: is he going to tell you the truth?

1759
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 14: It'll be interesting. I mean, the next time I see

1760
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 14: him in private, I'll certainly.

1761
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 3: Ask him, yeah, please, and then tell me on the

1762
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: radio us.

1763
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 14: See what I can do with keeping my job.

1764
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 3: Sold you Hey, listen, can we give New Zealand first

1765
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 3: the win on the fairy debark.

1766
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 14: Yeah, I have to say this has been the This

1767
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 14: has been the week of New Zealand. First, getting to say,

1768
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 14: I told you so. They're certainly in the ballpark on

1769
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 14: the fiery debarcle. So that tweet, that tweet familiar this week.

1770
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 14: It certainly looks like the autopilot was at fault. And also,

1771
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 14: you know, we have to say Winston Peters is probably

1772
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 14: right on waker jumping. This is certainly a case with

1773
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 14: Darling Tana that this is exactly what the waker jumping

1774
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 14: law is designed for. So pretty good week for New Zealand. First,

1775
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 14: I'd say that they're pretty big. I told you sos

1776
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 14: and two two very serious areas.

1777
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 18: Yep.

1778
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 3: I think that's a fair point to make. The Greens

1779
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 3: are about to make the week very very good, all

1780
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 3: the month very good if they go through with it. Thomas,

1781
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 3: thank you so much for stepping and appreciate it. Thomas Coglan,

1782
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: the Herald's deputy political editor. Here the come on, Darlene

1783
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: Tanner is staying for the money.

1784
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 18: Yep.

1785
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 3: Of course she's staying for the money. I mean this

1786
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 3: will be this. This is a pretty lucrative, great job.

1787
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 3: Here the razor, wait man, what blasts from the past

1788
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 3: on this text? Here? The razor is a break dancing Alaricans.

1789
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 3: Why are so many New Zealanders taken in by him?

1790
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: Because he's a break dancing Alarican.

1791
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 18: We'll like it.

1792
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 19: Six twenty three, Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics,

1793
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 19: it's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1794
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 19: and my HR, the HR platform for SME US talks B.

1795
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 3: By the way, there is a cooking oil contamination scandal

1796
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 3: unfolding in China. Peter Lewis will run us through that shortly. Now,

1797
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 3: have you heard of free range parenting. You probably by

1798
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 3: now you have this is the idea that you kind

1799
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 3: of don't helicopter yet kids. You don't helicopter parent them

1800
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 3: more cotton wool them. You sort of let them have

1801
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: a lot more agency from a very young age. If

1802
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 3: you've heard of it, let me tell you the Norwegians

1803
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 3: take this to the next level. There is a piece

1804
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 3: in the Guardian about it. It is like it is

1805
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 3: confronting to me as a key we parent to hear

1806
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 3: what these guys get up to with their kids. They

1807
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 3: let their six year olds basically come home from school.

1808
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 3: The school ends there half past one in the afternoon.

1809
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: They let their six year olds come home and just

1810
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: hang out by themselves, absolutely no parents there. Until the

1811
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 3: parents get home. The six year olds will let themselves in.

1812
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 3: And this is the case of like an actual couple,

1813
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: actual family that is being talked about here. The eight

1814
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,879
Speaker 3: year old got a chef's knife or like a whittling

1815
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 3: knife for the eighth birthday. She's now ten years old,

1816
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: and she is responsible for cooking dinner at least one

1817
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 3: night a week for her parents, for the whole family.

1818
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: So they give a knives at the age of about

1819
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 3: eight There's another six year old that the author writes

1820
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 3: about who walks twenty minutes to the train station, then

1821
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 3: catches a twenty minute train to school, and then walks

1822
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 3: another twenty minutes to get to the school. And this

1823
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 3: kid is starting school. It's something ridiculous like six thirty

1824
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: in the morning as it is anyway, or seven thirty,

1825
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: so they're up whatever time. The reason apparently that the

1826
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 3: Norwegians are like this with their extreme free range parenting

1827
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 3: is that apparently this is what the Vikings used to do.

1828
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 3: So it goes it's way back in there. It's there,

1829
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 3: it's their tea kunger, that's what it is. They were

1830
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 3: raised basically in a similar manner manner the Viking kids.

1831
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: They were treated as adults, and they were expected to

1832
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 3: chip in and do work and stuff with everybody else.

1833
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 3: But then also after the Nazi occupation, apparently the labor

1834
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 3: government that was formed after that believed that everybody needed

1835
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 3: to contribute to the rebuilding, and that gluted the kids,

1836
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: and they needed the kids to be strong and hardened

1837
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 3: and so on, so they made the kids get in

1838
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 3: there as well. But also there's a more modern reason

1839
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 3: why this is the case that they free range like

1840
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 3: this because mums work. It is about sixty seven percent

1841
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: of mums who are in employment, so you can't be

1842
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: at home with the kidies. So the kids have got

1843
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 3: a fend for themselves and they do it to the

1844
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 3: extent that even though you can buy GPS watches for

1845
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 3: kids now on track where they are, they will not

1846
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 3: buy the GPS watch for the kids because they want

1847
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 3: the kids to learn the independence of being out on

1848
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: their own and disappointing their parents if they don't come

1849
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 3: home at time and their parents being freaking out about

1850
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: it and being worried. They want the kids to learn

1851
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. Hey, how do you feel about that?

1852
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 3: Confronted headlines?

1853
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: Next everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1854
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather dupleic Ellen and my HR the HR

1855
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: platform for SME US talks that'd be.

1856
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 12: Down not so well.

1857
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: Kevin Gray's going to be with us out of the

1858
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 3: UK and slightly more than ten minutes time. Heather, I'm

1859
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 3: sixty nine years old. Mum used to tell us at

1860
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 3: the weekends when we were ten years old what time

1861
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 3: dinner was six pm, and then up to that point

1862
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 3: we had a ball Heather We used to live like

1863
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 3: free range kids in New Zealand. We rode push bikes

1864
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: to school all year around. We went home after school,

1865
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: we played and prepared dinner for when the parents got

1866
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 3: You did that is impressive. I look forward to making

1867
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 3: my one my own personal dinner slave as well, and

1868
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 3: prepared dinner for when the parents got home. What has

1869
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 3: changed is parents want to be kids' friends these days,

1870
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 3: and not the parents. The parents' job is preparing the

1871
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 3: child to be able to make sensible decisions care for

1872
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 3: themselves and others by creating boundaries and a framework for

1873
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 3: the child to learn these skills, not be their friend.

1874
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 3: Tony Amn one hundred percent. You're not your child's friend.

1875
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: If you think of your child's friend, ooh, you're in trouble.

1876
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: My mom had to intervene though, to be fair, I mean,

1877
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 3: let's be honest about it, right. You have to learn

1878
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 3: to be a parent. It's you spend your entire adult life.

1879
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 3: And I think this is especially true for people who

1880
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 3: become parents later in life. You know, like if you

1881
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 3: maybe if you become a parent in your early twenties,

1882
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 3: it's a different experience. But I've become a parent in

1883
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 3: my late thirties. I've spent my entire adult life trying

1884
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 3: to keep the peace between people, do you know what

1885
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 3: I mean? Like be amicable, have a nice time, be polite,

1886
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 3: you know, don't create it, Like you learn to kind

1887
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 3: of keep the piece in then nick minute that outside

1888
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: of this radioh yeah that you people cop it? You

1889
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: people cop it. You're asking for it.

1890
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 2: No, just joking.

1891
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 3: Obviously you're the loveliest. I mean, I just think you're

1892
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 3: wonderful and everything you have to deal with is just

1893
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 3: so unfortunate. Anyway, then you've got a baby that arrives

1894
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,719
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you have to snap

1895
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: out of keeping the peace mode and you've got to

1896
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 3: snap into discipline mode. And that's quite a bit. Anyway.

1897
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 3: My mum came by one day and she was like, right,

1898
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 3: so the problem that you've got is that he's in

1899
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 3: charge of this house and you're not. And just like that,

1900
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 3: flick the switch. Stop being his mate, started being his mummy.

1901
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,560
Speaker 3: And it was the most wonderful after that. If you know,

1902
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 3: if you're in charge, and you know that you're in charge,

1903
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 3: just like a piece that comes upon you, isn't it. Anyway,

1904
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 3: Tony's got the best advice. You're not your friend, You're

1905
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 3: not your child's friends. Stop it. Twenty two away from

1906
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: seven Tailor du see Ala Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondents

1907
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 3: with us right now, Hello, Peter, Good evening head. Now

1908
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: do we believe China when it says it's not supporting

1909
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 3: Russia's war in Ukraine?

1910
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 16: In some ways we do. I think, you know, it's

1911
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 16: not suplipplying weapons directly to Russia, but nevertheless it is

1912
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 16: supplying what is known as dual use technology, in other words,

1913
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 16: technology for industrial purposes, but nevertheless could be converted to

1914
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 16: more in the various means and can be used in

1915
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 16: the weapons production that Russia needs to pursue the war

1916
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 16: in Ukraine. I think more importantly where the support from

1917
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 16: China is coming is economically. It's buying a lot of

1918
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 16: goods from Russia, It's buying a lot of cheap oil

1919
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 16: from Russia, and it's providing in effect through that a

1920
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 16: lot of financing that Russia desperately needs in order to

1921
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 16: be able to continue the war in Ukraine. So I

1922
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 16: think it's getting to the point where up to now,

1923
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 16: China's had the best of both worlds. It's been able

1924
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 16: to do this, but at the same time it's also

1925
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 16: been able to pursue its relationship with the EU. The

1926
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 16: EU is basically saying this can't continue. You can't expect

1927
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 16: to have this no limits friendship with Russia and at

1928
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 16: the same time want to have normal relationships with US.

1929
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 16: So I think the pressure is going to continue to

1930
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 16: be ratcheted.

1931
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 18: Up on China.

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Speaker 3: I've got their third Planeum this, I think? Is it

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Speaker 3: next week?

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Speaker 12: It is?

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Speaker 18: Yep.

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Speaker 16: What are we expecting for four days? Well, I'm not

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Speaker 16: expecting an awful lot, but there are people around who

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Speaker 16: are hoping that there's going to be some real policy

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Speaker 16: changes to help deal with all the structure with cyclical

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Speaker 16: economic problems that China has got. Historically, these third planems

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Speaker 16: I mean the third Plenum. There are seven of them

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Speaker 16: in each five year cycle, for each government cycle. The

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Speaker 16: third one is normally the most important because it's the

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Speaker 16: chance for the new leadership to set out its thinking

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Speaker 16: on economic issues, in particular, set its economic strategy for

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Speaker 16: the next five years. So in the past, these third

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Speaker 16: planums have often come up with some quite dramatic announcements.

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Speaker 16: It was at the third Plenum in nineteen seventy eight

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Speaker 16: that denshell Ping announced the opening up of China and

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Speaker 16: pivoting more towards a market role for the economy, because

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Speaker 16: at that time it was very much the Soviet model

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Speaker 16: of central planning. President G used his first Third Plenum

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Speaker 16: in twenty thirteen to make some big changes and also

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Speaker 16: pivot to this focus on national security. Lenms do potentially

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Speaker 16: have the opportunity to throw up some new things. I

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Speaker 16: don't think that's going to happen this time. I think,

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Speaker 16: first of all, it's because the economic problems that China

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Speaker 16: has gossipt the moment are very well entrenched and very

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Speaker 16: difficult for them to solve. And I think also more importantly,

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Speaker 16: I think the solutions that China could come up with

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Speaker 16: are being ruled out for ideological reasons. I don't think

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Speaker 16: China wants to move more down the road of a

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Speaker 16: market economy, and China doesn't really trust its private businesses

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Speaker 16: and its entrepreneurs. I mean, you know, President G has

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Speaker 16: said many times, you know, he doesn't like the idea

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Speaker 16: of people earning too much money. He thinks there almost

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Speaker 16: should be a cap on the amount that you could earn. Well,

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Speaker 16: that's not very good if you're an entrepreneur where you

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Speaker 16: take risks, very big risks, but you want very big

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Speaker 16: rewards as well. So it's stifling the entrepreneurial nature of

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Speaker 16: the country. President g doesn't like building anything close to

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Speaker 16: what looks like a welfare state, so he doesn't want

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Speaker 16: to expand childcare. He doesn't want to do things that

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Speaker 16: could help people who are unemployed. It doesn't want to have,

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Speaker 16: you know better, have private education or anything like that.

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Speaker 16: So all the things that could be done to help

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Speaker 16: the economy are sort of ruled out before they even

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Speaker 16: get to get started. So I think it's going to

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Speaker 16: be very difficult to see any concrete changes in China's

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Speaker 16: economic policy next week.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a disappointment. Hey, Peter, thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. We'll talk to you in a week's time.

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Speaker 3: It's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent. Hither you have got

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Speaker 3: to check out the awesome video clip online at Henderson Woolworth's.

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Speaker 3: It's an item called Unbeflievable Moment. Yeah, okay, and I

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Speaker 3: know the one, okay, So what it is? What it

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Speaker 3: is is, let me explain this to you. The copper

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Speaker 3: is the hero in this video in as Michelle Say's

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Speaker 3: on the text Henderson Wilworth's, it's the security camera video

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Speaker 3: from within the store, and it's you see this clown

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Speaker 3: with a basket, like a shopping basket, and it's chocer

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Speaker 3: block full of meat items. And you know how when

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Speaker 3: you go into the store, you go through those little

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Speaker 3: funny little bars that hit you on the thighs, like

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Speaker 3: as you go through, it's like three of them, and

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Speaker 3: it means you can't go back the other way. Well,

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Speaker 3: this clown with this bag of like a shopping bag

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Speaker 3: full of meat is going the wrong way, climbing over

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Speaker 3: these things at the very point that he manages to

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Speaker 3: get through and back out the door and is basically

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Speaker 3: gonna make off with a whole bunch of groceries he

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Speaker 3: hasn't paid for. A off duty police officer is coming

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Speaker 3: into the store. This guy doesn't even break his step

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Speaker 3: buy he sees what's going on. This is the cop

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Speaker 3: goes up to the chap with the basket in his hand.

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Speaker 3: Cop just walks up to him, takes the basket out

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Speaker 3: of his hand, looks like with the other hand he

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Speaker 3: smacks the guy on the hand or something, and just

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Speaker 3: walks into the store, just walks straight into the cop

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Speaker 3: doesn't break his steps like he's just casually casual as

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Speaker 3: you like, just confiscates the basket. And then the lingering

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Speaker 3: footage as of old mate with his socks and his

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Speaker 3: jandles sort of just looking at like what just happened.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I appreciated how slick the undercover off duty

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Speaker 3: cop was. I do hope that once he'd offloaded all

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Speaker 3: the meat into the chiller asle, he went back and

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Speaker 3: arrested the guy. Obviously sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen and my HR.

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Speaker 2: The HR platform for smeme US talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be Kevin Gray, UK correspondents with US. Hey, hey, Devin,

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Speaker 3: Hi there, Gevin. Now, this cannot be popular, emptying the

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Speaker 3: prisons because they're at capacity.

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Speaker 22: I know it isn't popular. It's something that the previous

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Speaker 22: government I think half realized was happening and took a

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Speaker 22: mini go up. But this government get a grapple it

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Speaker 22: and announced something today. We believe what is happening is

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Speaker 22: currently the prison numbers are virtually at capacity. And when

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Speaker 22: I say virtually, I really mean, they are, you know,

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Speaker 22: ninety eight ninety nine percent full. The problem is that

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Speaker 22: all of a sudden the course, if the courts get busy,

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Speaker 22: then there is nowhere for any prisoner to be sent

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Speaker 22: once those places have been filled up, and they are

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Speaker 22: really I think it's down to some seven hundred spaces available.

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Speaker 22: That may sound a lot, but actually when you consider

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Speaker 22: eighty three thousand, almost a three thousand, four hundred currently

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Speaker 22: being held, you can see what a small percentage of

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Speaker 22: capacity is left. So this government, we believe later is

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Speaker 22: going to announce what they're doing to address prison overcrowding,

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Speaker 22: and one of the ways in doing that is currently

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Speaker 22: as a system that you are released after fifty percent

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Speaker 22: of your sentence, if you behaved yourself, if you meet

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Speaker 22: different criteria, et cetera. They're now looking at saying if

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Speaker 22: you just serve forty percent of your sentence and it's

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Speaker 22: a non violent, non sexual prosecution, then you'll get out early.

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Speaker 22: But as you say, lots and lots of people saying

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Speaker 22: this just sends out all the wrong signals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, do we know what was in that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we know there were human remains in those suitcases,

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Speaker 3: But do we know what.

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Speaker 22: No, but this is a pretty gruesome story. So Clifton

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Speaker 22: Suspension Bridge, Bristol, West of England, one of Britain's most

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Speaker 22: famous landmarks. It's Isambard Kingdom. Brunell Bridge suspended a couple

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Speaker 22: of hundred feet above a gorge with a river beneath it,

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Speaker 22: and a couple of nights back, two suitcases were found

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Speaker 22: there after a man ran off having acted suspiciously, and

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Speaker 22: the supermarkets began sorry, the suitcases began to leak blood

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Speaker 22: and sure enough when the police got there, they found

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Speaker 22: human remains inside them. Now they've got a really good

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Speaker 22: picture of the person that left them, so there is

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Speaker 22: an appeal for him to come forward or for people

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Speaker 22: that know him to hand him in or at least

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Speaker 22: give them an identity. We don't yet know the identity

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Speaker 22: of the person that was found in these suitcases. But

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Speaker 22: pretty gruesome stuff, as you can imagine, and all rather

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Speaker 22: sort of captivating of some sort of a mini sery

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Speaker 22: there I say it on television like the Opening Sea.

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Speaker 22: People have been comparing it to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you bang on with them. Would you

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Speaker 3: know somebody's going to be watching and probably thinking about it,

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Speaker 3: and the reality stars who are in court. Do we

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Speaker 3: know who they are?

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Speaker 22: Yes, we do, so they won't be famous names, but

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Speaker 22: they're from fairly famous shows there. The only way is

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Speaker 22: Essex looking at set of Reality in southeast of England.

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Speaker 22: Somebody they're called Lauren Goodge, somebody off Love Island and

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Speaker 22: another one off Geordie Shaw have been charged with promoting

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Speaker 22: an unauthorized investment scheme to their followers on Instagram. So

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Speaker 22: basically all investment schemes have to be certified here in

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Speaker 22: the UK as being basically clear, transparent and real. And

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Speaker 22: the allegations are that some of these social media styles

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Speaker 22: who have turned into sort of social media influences as

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Speaker 22: it were, are now set for trial. They face up

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Speaker 22: to two years if convicted, and the Financial Conduct Authority

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Speaker 22: brought the charges against them a legend they were paid

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Speaker 22: to promote a high risk trading scheme on social media

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Speaker 22: between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one. Indeed, it was

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Speaker 22: said that one of the schemes that was invested and

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Speaker 22: many millions of people follow these people, but eighty percent

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Speaker 22: of customers who bought into one scheme have lost money

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Speaker 22: and collectively those on trial have four and a half

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Speaker 22: million follows on Instagram, and I think this is something

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Speaker 22: we're going to see more and more of. So plenty

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Speaker 22: of people applauding the Financial Conduct Authority for bringing this

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Speaker 22: to court or see how they get on. So far

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Speaker 22: those accused deny any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 3: That's really interesting. Gavin, look after yourself. Thank you, enjoy

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Speaker 3: your weekend. That's Kevin Gray are UK correspondent Pretty rough

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Speaker 3: over at TV and ZI. I mean we've we've spent

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Speaker 3: a bit of time lately, I suppose talking about what's

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Speaker 3: been going on with the media and how tough it

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Speaker 3: is in the media, with you know, the likes of

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Speaker 3: news Hub closing down and stuff like that going on.

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Speaker 3: TV and Z is having a tough time because they've

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Speaker 3: already they've already probably booked a loss of about thirty

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Speaker 3: three million dollars for the financial year that just ended

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. We won't know, I guess

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Speaker 3: until they prepa all the documents and stuff again, but

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Speaker 3: that was what they were expecting, thirty three million dollars.

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Speaker 3: They we are now predicting for the next financial year

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Speaker 3: another twenty nine million dollar loss. So if they're right,

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Speaker 3: if their forecasts come to fruition. We're talking about in

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Speaker 3: the space of two years, losing sixty two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's enormous, So I would say, I mean, the first

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Speaker 3: thing obviously is expect more job cuts at TV and

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Speaker 3: Z and frankly expect more program cuts and also by

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Speaker 3: now relieving them of a dividend has got to be

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Speaker 3: a serious consideration for cabinets, so keep an eye out

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Speaker 3: for that. Also, the word is that rn z's building

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Speaker 3: building lease expires in April, which is just down the

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Speaker 3: road from TV and Z, and the Broadcasting Minister, Paul

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Speaker 3: Goldsmith wants RNZ to move in with TV and Z.

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Speaker 3: We're given all the job cuts and program cuts of

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Speaker 3: TV and Z, there's obviously going to be space, so

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Speaker 3: that seems like a smart idea, don't you think. So

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Speaker 3: we don't need to be paying for the leases of

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Speaker 3: two buildings. Just check the one in with the other one.

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Speaker 3: And in other good money saving news, officials have started

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Speaker 3: working on possibly merging enz it on air and the

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Film Commission now ends it on air fund's

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Speaker 3: TV programs and the New Zealand Film Commission films funds films,

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Speaker 3: and you'd have to say that in the modern age,

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Speaker 3: the difference between the two of them is not that big, right,

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Speaker 3: because you can have a film or you can have

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Speaker 3: a TV program. Both of them end up on the

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Speaker 3: same streaming service like Netflix, So put them into one

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Speaker 3: seems like a really good idea. Seven away from seven, Whether.

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Speaker 1: It's macro MicroB or just playing economics, it's all on

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

2140
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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used talksp.

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Speaker 3: Hither the problem with kids these days is there's too

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Speaker 3: much time for naval gazing, home responsibilities and part time jobs.

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Speaker 3: Hod On, I think this is two different sentences. Hither,

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Speaker 3: there's too much time for naval gazing.

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Speaker 2: Stop.

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Speaker 3: What you need is home responsibilities and part time jobs

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Speaker 3: and earn the money you spend yep. I think that's

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Speaker 3: pretty good advice. I've got a dick of the day

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Speaker 3: for you. It was really the dick yesterday, but we

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Speaker 3: only found out about him today, so he could be

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Speaker 3: the dick of both days. Actually, a twenty eight year

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Speaker 3: old man who flew into the country in police custody

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Speaker 3: on Aqatar Airways plane yesterday just as the plane was

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Speaker 3: landing at Auckland airport, he opened the door and then

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Speaker 3: he fell onto the tarmac and he hurt himself, which

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Speaker 3: I could have told him was going to happen anyway.

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Speaker 3: The reason he did this, I mean, how he even

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Speaker 3: knew how to open the door, like, I don't even

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Speaker 3: I know. They explained it to me every single time,

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Speaker 3: but it does look like it's actually quite complicated and heavy.

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Speaker 3: He did it, he fell on the tarmac, and the

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Speaker 3: reason he did it was because he was trying to

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Speaker 3: run away from the cops, because he's trying to get

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Speaker 3: out of their custody. Well, when he hurt himself, they

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Speaker 3: got him and they charged him and he will have

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Speaker 3: appeared in court today and if he has found guilty

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Speaker 3: of the thing that he was charged with, something to

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Speaker 3: do with civil aviation law or something like that, he

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Speaker 3: could go to jail for a year and a.

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Speaker 23: Woman's well by Katy Perry to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 23: This is the first single off her upcoming album. It's

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Speaker 23: just come out in the last twenty four hours or so.

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Speaker 23: The album is going to be called one four to three,

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Speaker 23: which I was completely bamboozled by.

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Speaker 8: But I looked it up.

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Speaker 23: Apparently this used to be like before cell phones when

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Speaker 23: people used pages. If you wanted to send a message

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Speaker 23: to someone saying I love you, you would send one

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Speaker 23: four three, which four three, which presumably looks vaguely like

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Speaker 23: a little love heart on like the old digital displays

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Speaker 23: that would have been on pages. So I worked out

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Speaker 23: I must be just ten years too young to get

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Speaker 23: this particular reference.

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Speaker 3: But one four three one four three it doesn't look

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Speaker 3: anything like a love heart well.

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Speaker 23: On like the old digital ones. Though, you know when

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Speaker 23: everything was like a kind of weird digital clock and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because the four was like fatter, he was compressed,

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Speaker 3: so he was shorter and squatter. Yeah, and then you

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Speaker 3: can maybe and so was the three. So to the

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Speaker 3: top of the heart.

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Speaker 23: I'd seen bottom of mans was weird?

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Speaker 3: Here, what's going on with the other day? Somebody texts

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Speaker 3: me on the show? And you remember, back in the

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Speaker 3: old Nokias, you used to have to, like, if you

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Speaker 3: wanted to say, like, type a certain lesson, you'd have

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Speaker 3: to type it three times on the same key and

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Speaker 3: then and then you'd go to the space. But if

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Speaker 3: you hit the space twice, it would do a full stop. Yes,

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Speaker 3: literally between every single word was a full stop. I

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Speaker 3: was like, mate, you're still running a nock you aren't you? Man?

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Speaker 23: Sure I used to get so good at doing that

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Speaker 23: fast and now it's a useless skill.

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Speaker 17: I hate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pussy. We put a lot of hours

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Speaker 3: into it. Hey, enjoy your weekend and next week. See

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Speaker 3: you in a couple of weeks by now.

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