1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,653 --> 00:00:14,533 Speaker 2: Be We're learned something new on the show every week. 4 00:00:15,013 --> 00:00:17,653 Speaker 2: Doogle Sutherland from Umbrella well Being is known to most 5 00:00:17,653 --> 00:00:20,293 Speaker 2: of us as our clinical psychologist who joins us every 6 00:00:20,333 --> 00:00:22,293 Speaker 2: couple of weeks. But I didn't know this. He has 7 00:00:22,333 --> 00:00:26,333 Speaker 2: been poked and plodded as a subject of the infamous 8 00:00:26,413 --> 00:00:30,053 Speaker 2: Dunedin Longitudinal Study. How about that, Doogle? What an amazing thing. 9 00:00:30,813 --> 00:00:34,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trigued that you call it infamous. Well, yeah, 10 00:00:34,133 --> 00:00:41,133 Speaker 3: maybe famous, it was silly infamous for poking and proddingly. Yeah, no, 11 00:00:41,253 --> 00:00:43,573 Speaker 3: it's yeah. I'm one of those. Do you know? It 12 00:00:43,613 --> 00:00:46,093 Speaker 3: was so common in my class when I was at 13 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:47,813 Speaker 3: school that it was just you know, it was one 14 00:00:47,853 --> 00:00:50,453 Speaker 3: of those things, Oh where's you know, where's Wayne today? 15 00:00:50,493 --> 00:00:52,773 Speaker 3: Oh he's at that Dunedin study thing. Oh yeah, I'm 16 00:00:52,773 --> 00:00:55,933 Speaker 3: going next week. So, just just because of the cohorts 17 00:00:55,933 --> 00:00:58,053 Speaker 3: saying we were, everybody at school was always you know, 18 00:00:58,093 --> 00:01:00,733 Speaker 3: when it came that time of every two years to 19 00:01:00,733 --> 00:01:02,693 Speaker 3: go into the study, it was just sort of half 20 00:01:02,773 --> 00:01:04,333 Speaker 3: to day somebody was absent from school. 21 00:01:04,533 --> 00:01:08,853 Speaker 2: Ask a really dumb question, is the d Need Longitudinal 22 00:01:08,853 --> 00:01:10,893 Speaker 2: Study were the subjects all in Dunedin. 23 00:01:11,693 --> 00:01:14,973 Speaker 3: Yes, that's good. Yeah, And I'll tell you another weird 24 00:01:15,013 --> 00:01:19,173 Speaker 3: little fact here. My grandmother was one of the original 25 00:01:19,213 --> 00:01:23,493 Speaker 3: volunteers that went around the writ around the maternity unit 26 00:01:23,693 --> 00:01:28,093 Speaker 3: Queen Mary and Dunedin and recruited mothers and their children. 27 00:01:28,253 --> 00:01:31,413 Speaker 3: Were predominant mothers and their kids to be in the study. 28 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:34,893 Speaker 3: So we've got this weird family linkage back as well 29 00:01:34,933 --> 00:01:38,933 Speaker 3: when my grandmother was the person doing the recruiting. So wow. Yeah. 30 00:01:39,013 --> 00:01:42,533 Speaker 2: Well, the reason I raised this is the Dnedan Longitudinal 31 00:01:42,573 --> 00:01:45,413 Speaker 2: Study and data from the study now suggests that the 32 00:01:45,533 --> 00:01:48,853 Speaker 2: number of New Zealand adults who in their lifetime experience 33 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:51,973 Speaker 2: a major mental health problem could be as high as 34 00:01:52,133 --> 00:01:55,493 Speaker 2: eighty percent, which is an extraordinary figure. I mean, I 35 00:01:55,493 --> 00:01:57,493 Speaker 2: think the Ministry of Health says it's closer to fifty 36 00:01:57,533 --> 00:02:00,093 Speaker 2: percent or just under fifty percent, but eighty percent the 37 00:02:00,173 --> 00:02:03,213 Speaker 2: data from the Deneedan Longitudinal Study suggests it could be. 38 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:06,973 Speaker 2: And giving it as Mental Health Awareness Week, which has 39 00:02:07,013 --> 00:02:09,613 Speaker 2: sort of been everywhere this week, it is. Yeah, it 40 00:02:09,693 --> 00:02:10,973 Speaker 2: is probably even more prominent. 41 00:02:11,853 --> 00:02:15,773 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting. When I'm talking to organizations 42 00:02:15,853 --> 00:02:18,133 Speaker 3: and groups of people, I often you know, start with 43 00:02:18,133 --> 00:02:20,413 Speaker 3: a pop quiz around you know, what percentage do you 44 00:02:20,533 --> 00:02:22,653 Speaker 3: of people in New Zealand do you think will have 45 00:02:22,733 --> 00:02:25,093 Speaker 3: experienced a major mental health problem in their lifetime? And 46 00:02:26,053 --> 00:02:30,693 Speaker 3: estimate's very wide, you know, wildly from thirty three percent. 47 00:02:31,013 --> 00:02:34,213 Speaker 3: You know, it's almost everybody, isn't it, depending on your definition. So, 48 00:02:34,573 --> 00:02:37,653 Speaker 3: but yeah, I think most people are sort of quite 49 00:02:37,693 --> 00:02:40,933 Speaker 3: blown away when it's eighty percent, and you know the 50 00:02:41,213 --> 00:02:43,933 Speaker 3: need data is from Dunedan study. Data is probably a 51 00:02:44,013 --> 00:02:47,133 Speaker 3: bit more better for one of a better term than 52 00:02:47,173 --> 00:02:49,133 Speaker 3: the Ministry of Health data because it's just more in 53 00:02:49,173 --> 00:02:51,573 Speaker 3: depth and so more likely to be accurate, I think. 54 00:02:51,573 --> 00:02:53,933 Speaker 3: But people typically now go, yeah, do you know what 55 00:02:54,013 --> 00:02:56,213 Speaker 3: I reckon? That's true? If it's if it's not me, 56 00:02:56,413 --> 00:02:58,893 Speaker 3: it's it's my partner, it's my mother, it's one of 57 00:02:58,893 --> 00:03:02,133 Speaker 3: my kids. And the idea really is that, you know, 58 00:03:02,213 --> 00:03:05,173 Speaker 3: mental health problems are not something weird that only a few, 59 00:03:05,453 --> 00:03:08,973 Speaker 3: you know, a small portion of people experience. It's pretty 60 00:03:09,053 --> 00:03:11,693 Speaker 3: much three quarters or almost all of us. And so 61 00:03:12,413 --> 00:03:14,173 Speaker 3: you know, the more that we can all do to 62 00:03:14,213 --> 00:03:17,413 Speaker 3: protect our mental health, the better, because you know it's 63 00:03:17,453 --> 00:03:19,733 Speaker 3: going to be somebody near to you. If not you 64 00:03:19,893 --> 00:03:22,093 Speaker 3: so so the more that we can do to talk 65 00:03:22,133 --> 00:03:24,213 Speaker 3: about it, to keep talking about it, to keep being 66 00:03:24,213 --> 00:03:26,173 Speaker 3: aware of it and preventing it, the better. Yeah. 67 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:28,533 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you've got five tips for us this morning, 68 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:32,453 Speaker 2: five ways to well being for kind of our mental health. 69 00:03:33,093 --> 00:03:35,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this picks up on the Mental Health Foundations, 70 00:03:36,093 --> 00:03:39,533 Speaker 3: you know, top up Together, which is their theme, has 71 00:03:39,573 --> 00:03:41,853 Speaker 3: been their theme for the week, and talking about the 72 00:03:41,893 --> 00:03:44,293 Speaker 3: five ways to well being, and the five ways to 73 00:03:44,333 --> 00:03:49,053 Speaker 3: well being are in brief, most people know these, but connect, 74 00:03:49,173 --> 00:03:52,333 Speaker 3: be active, take notice, keep learning, and give Now. They're 75 00:03:52,333 --> 00:03:54,693 Speaker 3: not just random either. There's quite a lot of research 76 00:03:54,773 --> 00:03:58,613 Speaker 3: behind those as five sort of key you know, key 77 00:03:58,653 --> 00:04:01,493 Speaker 3: things that you can do every every day or every 78 00:04:01,493 --> 00:04:03,693 Speaker 3: week or just you know, very regularly that will just 79 00:04:03,773 --> 00:04:07,413 Speaker 3: really bolster and boost up your mental health. So yeah, 80 00:04:07,493 --> 00:04:10,773 Speaker 3: so for me, my my favorite one of these is connect, 81 00:04:10,853 --> 00:04:14,853 Speaker 3: which is every third Thursday of the month, which is 82 00:04:14,853 --> 00:04:16,973 Speaker 3: a bit of a tongue twister. Every third Thursday of 83 00:04:17,053 --> 00:04:18,973 Speaker 3: the month and me and a group of friends get together, 84 00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:23,613 Speaker 3: we have Thirsty Thursday at our local and you know, 85 00:04:23,893 --> 00:04:26,253 Speaker 3: it's just after work and people drop in and you know, 86 00:04:26,373 --> 00:04:28,573 Speaker 3: some people have a beer and some people have a 87 00:04:28,613 --> 00:04:30,973 Speaker 3: you know, a soft drink, it doesn't doesn't really matter. 88 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:33,453 Speaker 3: The idea is that hey, this is just a time 89 00:04:33,573 --> 00:04:36,133 Speaker 3: just to you know, catch up with each other, do 90 00:04:36,293 --> 00:04:39,453 Speaker 3: life with one another, see how you're going. And it's 91 00:04:39,533 --> 00:04:41,973 Speaker 3: just I just look forward to every month. It's just like, ah, 92 00:04:42,093 --> 00:04:45,533 Speaker 3: yes we got Thursday, Thursday this week, and it's just 93 00:04:46,013 --> 00:04:48,653 Speaker 3: it's just super good. And I think it's just you know, 94 00:04:49,053 --> 00:04:51,333 Speaker 3: where you can be in a space with people where 95 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:53,813 Speaker 3: you can just be yourself and just be sort of 96 00:04:53,813 --> 00:04:56,933 Speaker 3: a real and just have good conversation. We don't always 97 00:04:56,973 --> 00:05:00,213 Speaker 3: agree about everything. We've got people from different political persuasions 98 00:05:00,253 --> 00:05:02,493 Speaker 3: and we even have an Australian in the group, so 99 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:06,813 Speaker 3: that's you know, we're open to everybody. So yeah, so 100 00:05:06,853 --> 00:05:12,493 Speaker 3: that's connected. And I really love doing that. Yeah, being active. 101 00:05:12,733 --> 00:05:15,493 Speaker 3: Get up every day. I'm up at six, usually up 102 00:05:15,533 --> 00:05:17,453 Speaker 3: for a forty five minute walk, fifty minute walk or so, 103 00:05:17,613 --> 00:05:20,373 Speaker 3: which is I didn't used to love doing that. It's 104 00:05:20,413 --> 00:05:25,413 Speaker 3: been a habit that I have worked on and now 105 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,213 Speaker 3: I'm at the point where if I don't do it, 106 00:05:27,253 --> 00:05:30,773 Speaker 3: I kind of really miss it, which is really good. 107 00:05:31,893 --> 00:05:34,653 Speaker 3: Taking notice this week has prompted me to sort of 108 00:05:34,693 --> 00:05:37,573 Speaker 3: start up and mindfulness practice again. I go on and 109 00:05:37,613 --> 00:05:39,813 Speaker 3: off mindfulness in terms of my practice of it, not 110 00:05:39,893 --> 00:05:42,413 Speaker 3: as a fan of it. So I'm just just gently 111 00:05:42,493 --> 00:05:45,373 Speaker 3: starting a bit more of mindfulness or returning to mindfulness 112 00:05:45,373 --> 00:05:49,973 Speaker 3: practice again, which is nice. Nice keep learning. Number four, 113 00:05:51,813 --> 00:05:53,453 Speaker 3: I use my wife for other than me as an example. 114 00:05:53,533 --> 00:05:55,773 Speaker 3: She's in the middle of a twenty week today O 115 00:05:55,933 --> 00:06:00,613 Speaker 3: course online and so every Tuesday night she shuts yourself 116 00:06:00,613 --> 00:06:02,493 Speaker 3: off into one of the one of the rooms and 117 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:06,733 Speaker 3: practices today and it's all, you know, full of version today. 118 00:06:06,973 --> 00:06:09,853 Speaker 3: So it's just not allowed to speak English during that time. 119 00:06:09,893 --> 00:06:11,893 Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to interrupt her unless I'm going to 120 00:06:11,933 --> 00:06:14,013 Speaker 3: speak today, which I can't really do, so I don't 121 00:06:14,053 --> 00:06:17,853 Speaker 3: interrupt you. But again, that's it's that learning. That's it's 122 00:06:17,933 --> 00:06:21,733 Speaker 3: it's that really keeping those those brain cells active, and 123 00:06:21,933 --> 00:06:24,373 Speaker 3: it's keeping your mental well being at the forefront. 124 00:06:24,813 --> 00:06:27,693 Speaker 2: So I think I feel like you're progressing too, don't you. 125 00:06:27,773 --> 00:06:29,813 Speaker 2: If you're learning, even if you're learning slowly, you still 126 00:06:29,853 --> 00:06:31,533 Speaker 2: feel like even if other parts of your life are 127 00:06:31,573 --> 00:06:33,453 Speaker 2: a bit in a bit of trouble, then you know, 128 00:06:33,573 --> 00:06:35,933 Speaker 2: you feel like you're progressing in one area something. 129 00:06:36,213 --> 00:06:38,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing, and it gives you 130 00:06:38,573 --> 00:06:41,173 Speaker 3: it gives us, gives often gives people that sense of 131 00:06:41,213 --> 00:06:44,053 Speaker 3: what we call mastery. So it might not be particularly 132 00:06:44,173 --> 00:06:47,613 Speaker 3: enjoyable at the time, but as you master the skills, 133 00:06:47,653 --> 00:06:51,133 Speaker 3: there is a real sense of pleasure or a sense 134 00:06:51,173 --> 00:06:53,373 Speaker 3: of achievement that people get out of that. It doesn't 135 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:55,093 Speaker 3: have to be a language, obviously, it could be could 136 00:06:55,093 --> 00:06:57,693 Speaker 3: be anything, but I think that's it's that real sense 137 00:06:57,693 --> 00:07:01,613 Speaker 3: of pleasure and mastery that you get from from learning something. 138 00:07:02,693 --> 00:07:07,133 Speaker 3: And number five is give, give, Give, Give of give 139 00:07:07,173 --> 00:07:09,653 Speaker 3: your time, give your efforts, give your energies. 140 00:07:10,853 --> 00:07:13,173 Speaker 2: Give your body to the longitudinal study. 141 00:07:14,053 --> 00:07:16,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, give you actually, do you know what? The last No, 142 00:07:16,373 --> 00:07:18,173 Speaker 3: not the last time, but two times ago when I 143 00:07:18,293 --> 00:07:21,933 Speaker 3: was down speaking of giving your body, Richie Pulton came 144 00:07:21,973 --> 00:07:24,733 Speaker 3: around and said, now we're just sort of we're just 145 00:07:24,813 --> 00:07:27,773 Speaker 3: floating the idea. We're just floating the idea just we 146 00:07:27,853 --> 00:07:30,333 Speaker 3: haven't decided on it yet, but would you think about 147 00:07:30,413 --> 00:07:33,613 Speaker 3: donating your body to the Dene study at the end 148 00:07:33,653 --> 00:07:36,813 Speaker 3: of your life? And it was like a very I was. 149 00:07:38,253 --> 00:07:40,693 Speaker 3: I was like, do you know what, maybe I maybe 150 00:07:40,733 --> 00:07:43,053 Speaker 3: I will, maybe I'll do that. Maybe that will be 151 00:07:43,133 --> 00:07:48,373 Speaker 3: a lasting, kind of lasting kind of gift for one 152 00:07:48,413 --> 00:07:50,533 Speaker 3: of a better term, but yeah, any way that you 153 00:07:50,613 --> 00:07:53,413 Speaker 3: can give. We know, there's lots of research that shows 154 00:07:53,573 --> 00:07:58,053 Speaker 3: that when people volunteer, particularly something completely unrelated to their 155 00:07:58,133 --> 00:08:00,333 Speaker 3: work or their life, it's really really good for the 156 00:08:00,413 --> 00:08:04,053 Speaker 3: person volunteering. So the more that you can give, again, 157 00:08:04,373 --> 00:08:07,453 Speaker 3: it's a boost for your mental well being. So yeah, 158 00:08:07,533 --> 00:08:10,213 Speaker 3: think about those five taps and about what you can 159 00:08:10,333 --> 00:08:13,893 Speaker 3: do individually over the next week, just just to just 160 00:08:14,053 --> 00:08:15,773 Speaker 3: you know, just to do at least one or two 161 00:08:15,853 --> 00:08:18,453 Speaker 3: of those bolster up and to bolstrup you will be. 162 00:08:18,693 --> 00:08:20,453 Speaker 2: Oh so good. Thank you so much. Google. 163 00:08:21,173 --> 00:08:22,813 Speaker 4: If you want to top it up yourself, you can 164 00:08:22,853 --> 00:08:26,613 Speaker 4: go to www dot m h a W. That's Mental 165 00:08:26,693 --> 00:08:30,453 Speaker 4: Health Awareness Week m h aw dot NZ. 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