1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:16,507 Speaker 2: The stoush has intensified between those pushing for a revamped 4 00:00:16,747 --> 00:00:20,707 Speaker 2: n ZED twenty short format cricket competition and a consortium 5 00:00:20,707 --> 00:00:23,547 Speaker 2: in support of New Zealand Cricket. Further weighing up their options, 6 00:00:23,587 --> 00:00:28,227 Speaker 2: an open letter signed by fifteen former national representatives has 7 00:00:28,347 --> 00:00:32,267 Speaker 2: questioned several aspects of the NZED twenty proposal. N ZED 8 00:00:32,307 --> 00:00:35,747 Speaker 2: twenty backers have responded to that virus statement, saying they 9 00:00:35,787 --> 00:00:38,547 Speaker 2: have engaged in a transparent manner with New Zealand Cricket, 10 00:00:38,707 --> 00:00:41,347 Speaker 2: which has appointed two board members to sit on their committee, 11 00:00:41,707 --> 00:00:45,347 Speaker 2: and that cooperation will be sought throughout the process. One 12 00:00:45,387 --> 00:00:47,907 Speaker 2: of the signatories to the open letter, which was published 13 00:00:47,907 --> 00:00:52,707 Speaker 2: on Thursday, is former international Richard Petrie, who joins US now. Richard, 14 00:00:52,867 --> 00:00:56,907 Speaker 2: why are you opposed to m ZED twenty. 15 00:00:57,507 --> 00:01:01,787 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, Jason. There's a number of people who are 16 00:01:01,787 --> 00:01:05,827 Speaker 3: opposed to it. We're not opposed to T twenty competition. 17 00:01:06,027 --> 00:01:11,507 Speaker 3: Person say, what we're opposed to is a private organization 18 00:01:11,747 --> 00:01:18,147 Speaker 3: coming in taking over that January window for profit making 19 00:01:18,187 --> 00:01:22,507 Speaker 3: reasons basically and really putting New Zealand Cricket and turmoil. 20 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:25,987 Speaker 3: I don't know if people realize how much turmoil the 21 00:01:26,107 --> 00:01:30,387 Speaker 3: game is in at national level. The board is split, 22 00:01:31,827 --> 00:01:34,227 Speaker 3: I think. I think there was released a letter from 23 00:01:34,267 --> 00:01:38,227 Speaker 3: Hadley and Stedden and Boch and Murdoch to the board 24 00:01:38,987 --> 00:01:43,347 Speaker 3: asking them to you know, they're severely worried about what's 25 00:01:43,427 --> 00:01:48,107 Speaker 3: going on at that level. There are two sides. It's 26 00:01:48,187 --> 00:01:52,227 Speaker 3: not as friendly as as maybe the MS twenty people 27 00:01:52,227 --> 00:01:55,667 Speaker 3: are making out. It's and really it's a battle for 28 00:01:55,787 --> 00:01:57,827 Speaker 3: control of the game. I think that's the best way 29 00:01:57,827 --> 00:02:00,387 Speaker 3: to sum it up, and I can sort of explain 30 00:02:00,427 --> 00:02:02,427 Speaker 3: why if if you want to know, I. 31 00:02:02,347 --> 00:02:04,467 Speaker 2: Do want to know. But before we get into that, 32 00:02:04,507 --> 00:02:07,747 Speaker 2: do you think change to our domestic T twenty game 33 00:02:07,907 --> 00:02:08,427 Speaker 2: is needed? 34 00:02:11,387 --> 00:02:14,267 Speaker 3: Possibly? And there's lots of options on the table, including 35 00:02:14,267 --> 00:02:16,827 Speaker 3: the Big Bash, which I believe is a very viable 36 00:02:16,827 --> 00:02:21,187 Speaker 3: option and a very profitable option, but one where New 37 00:02:21,267 --> 00:02:25,987 Speaker 3: Zealand Cricket maintains control of the whole situation. So there 38 00:02:26,027 --> 00:02:28,107 Speaker 3: are a number of options. I know Scott Weenix looking 39 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:30,587 Speaker 3: at four. He's listed out four of them, and you 40 00:02:30,627 --> 00:02:33,747 Speaker 3: know he's very keen to look at all four because 41 00:02:33,747 --> 00:02:37,667 Speaker 3: it's really important the road they go down here. If 42 00:02:37,707 --> 00:02:41,427 Speaker 3: they go down the wrong path, there are some big consequences. 43 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:41,307 Speaker 2: All right. 44 00:02:41,787 --> 00:02:42,107 Speaker 3: Well. 45 00:02:42,427 --> 00:02:47,827 Speaker 2: New Zealand twenty the head of the establishing Committee, Don McKinnon, 46 00:02:47,907 --> 00:02:49,347 Speaker 2: was on the radio with me a couple of weeks 47 00:02:49,387 --> 00:02:51,867 Speaker 2: ago and said that yes, they are one of four 48 00:02:51,907 --> 00:02:54,867 Speaker 2: options being looked at, and it's good governance from New 49 00:02:54,947 --> 00:02:57,787 Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket to be looking at all four options and 50 00:02:57,787 --> 00:03:01,307 Speaker 2: that they will cooperate with any process and be fine 51 00:03:01,307 --> 00:03:04,947 Speaker 2: with the outcome. So the letter that was sent on 52 00:03:05,067 --> 00:03:09,907 Speaker 2: Thursday seemed to talk about things like dealing covertly and 53 00:03:10,547 --> 00:03:15,187 Speaker 2: other such language. Can you expand on why you believe 54 00:03:15,227 --> 00:03:20,067 Speaker 2: they're dealing covertly to push their league as is written here? 55 00:03:21,187 --> 00:03:25,067 Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, my understanding where our understanding is that you 56 00:03:25,107 --> 00:03:28,187 Speaker 3: know they've Don McKinnon and other people have done a 57 00:03:28,187 --> 00:03:33,787 Speaker 3: tour around the country and told players there are players 58 00:03:33,787 --> 00:03:36,107 Speaker 3: that we know of who have been told keep this quiet, 59 00:03:36,187 --> 00:03:39,307 Speaker 3: keep it to yourself, we need to establish things and 60 00:03:39,347 --> 00:03:41,547 Speaker 3: don't you know, sort of don't let anything out about 61 00:03:41,587 --> 00:03:44,267 Speaker 3: what we're discussing. So that's our understanding of what was happening. 62 00:03:44,347 --> 00:03:45,947 Speaker 2: Okay, Can I pick up on that, Ben, because on 63 00:03:46,027 --> 00:03:48,347 Speaker 2: the statement we received yesterday from m Z twenty. It 64 00:03:48,467 --> 00:03:51,707 Speaker 2: said mister McKinnon has never presented to any of the 65 00:03:51,747 --> 00:03:55,787 Speaker 2: players or major associations about the NZ twenty League, save 66 00:03:55,867 --> 00:03:58,147 Speaker 2: on one occasion when m Z twenty met with the 67 00:03:58,187 --> 00:04:02,187 Speaker 2: major associations with two New Zealand Cricket directors. Any suggestion 68 00:04:02,707 --> 00:04:05,867 Speaker 2: anyone has been sworn to secrecy is false and a 69 00:04:05,907 --> 00:04:09,387 Speaker 2: slur on the character of those involved. So they, you know, 70 00:04:09,547 --> 00:04:11,947 Speaker 2: unequivocally refute that suggestion. 71 00:04:13,067 --> 00:04:16,947 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the technical terms there that there have been 72 00:04:16,987 --> 00:04:20,987 Speaker 3: tours round where players have been approached and spoken to. 73 00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:24,827 Speaker 3: I know of players who I mean, that's where I've 74 00:04:24,867 --> 00:04:27,267 Speaker 3: heard of players who are reporting that that's been the case. 75 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:28,587 Speaker 3: They were told not to say anything. 76 00:04:30,747 --> 00:04:33,467 Speaker 2: So, in other words, so you're you're refuting this statement. 77 00:04:33,467 --> 00:04:38,547 Speaker 2: You're saying that players have been approached privately and spawned. 78 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:42,547 Speaker 3: In groups, in groups that well you know, they've been 79 00:04:42,547 --> 00:04:46,187 Speaker 3: approached in groups and and told to keep it to themselves. 80 00:04:46,507 --> 00:04:48,107 Speaker 3: That's that's our understanding. Yep. 81 00:04:48,907 --> 00:04:50,267 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess we're in a bit of 82 00:04:50,307 --> 00:04:53,707 Speaker 2: a bit of an impasse there and that that's your understanding. 83 00:04:53,867 --> 00:04:58,867 Speaker 2: They have refuted that, so let's move your open letter 84 00:04:58,907 --> 00:05:01,187 Speaker 2: was addressed to Stephen Fleming, Heath Mills, Don the Ken 85 00:05:01,187 --> 00:05:05,227 Speaker 2: and David Holme and the NZ twenty consortium. Why didn't 86 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:07,787 Speaker 2: you send the letter wrecked to those? That was addressed to? 87 00:05:12,507 --> 00:05:16,307 Speaker 3: As I said, I think we're former players. We're not. 88 00:05:17,107 --> 00:05:20,427 Speaker 3: We're not New Zealand Cricket. We're not any sort of 89 00:05:20,507 --> 00:05:23,067 Speaker 3: we don't have any power or authority. We've just got 90 00:05:23,067 --> 00:05:26,387 Speaker 3: a vested interest in the game that we love. We're 91 00:05:26,427 --> 00:05:30,947 Speaker 3: more fans and so we're not directly involved with these guys, 92 00:05:31,707 --> 00:05:34,987 Speaker 3: but we are very concerned about, you know, what potentially 93 00:05:35,027 --> 00:05:37,747 Speaker 3: can happen to the game in New Zealand. Like I said, 94 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:42,227 Speaker 3: the board is fractured. Our understanding, the board is fractured. 95 00:05:42,267 --> 00:05:44,147 Speaker 3: It is split. There's there's some of them wanting to 96 00:05:44,187 --> 00:05:46,707 Speaker 3: go one way, someone wanting to go the other. And 97 00:05:46,747 --> 00:05:50,907 Speaker 3: it's it's not a happy it's not a happy camp. 98 00:05:52,187 --> 00:05:57,827 Speaker 2: That's not in Z twenty's fault, though, is it. 99 00:05:57,827 --> 00:06:01,747 Speaker 3: It's not in seed twenties fault. This is a What 100 00:06:01,787 --> 00:06:04,747 Speaker 3: you've got to understand is it's a power play here. 101 00:06:04,747 --> 00:06:08,667 Speaker 3: If n Z twenty comes set up a tournament and 102 00:06:09,467 --> 00:06:12,747 Speaker 3: they run a tournament, that's fine. They have kind of 103 00:06:12,827 --> 00:06:16,027 Speaker 3: drafted the major associations or not all of them, but 104 00:06:16,227 --> 00:06:21,067 Speaker 3: most of them to want to back this thing with. 105 00:06:21,707 --> 00:06:24,467 Speaker 3: You know, there's been money promised to them and so 106 00:06:24,547 --> 00:06:27,387 Speaker 3: the major associations are wanting to sort of look down 107 00:06:27,467 --> 00:06:32,827 Speaker 3: this route. The Planers Association are actively involved. The problem is, 108 00:06:33,267 --> 00:06:34,947 Speaker 3: you know, you're going to look at one of the consequences, 109 00:06:34,987 --> 00:06:38,187 Speaker 3: because that's what it's all about. You know, Let's say 110 00:06:38,467 --> 00:06:42,667 Speaker 3: a game that New Zealand Cricket has no stake in. 111 00:06:42,947 --> 00:06:45,787 Speaker 3: Like in every other country where there's a T twenty tournament, 112 00:06:45,907 --> 00:06:51,467 Speaker 3: like South Africa, England, Australia, the governing the national governing 113 00:06:51,547 --> 00:06:54,267 Speaker 3: body are the ones that own and run that tournament. 114 00:06:55,307 --> 00:07:00,267 Speaker 3: Right in this in this situation, what they're proposing is 115 00:07:00,267 --> 00:07:02,547 Speaker 3: a T twenty tournament where they're trying to raise a 116 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:04,587 Speaker 3: lot of money and pay a whole lot of people out, 117 00:07:04,587 --> 00:07:08,067 Speaker 3: including the major associations. And do you know New Zealand 118 00:07:08,107 --> 00:07:12,067 Speaker 3: Crickets stake in this in this operation zero. 119 00:07:12,627 --> 00:07:15,067 Speaker 2: But Richard, they do have to sign but they do 120 00:07:15,147 --> 00:07:17,947 Speaker 2: have to sign it off. They have the final sign 121 00:07:18,027 --> 00:07:21,547 Speaker 2: off on this competition on the way forward here in 122 00:07:21,627 --> 00:07:25,027 Speaker 2: New Zealand. Whatever they decide, they sign off. So why 123 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:28,507 Speaker 2: would New Zealand Cricket grant n Z twenty a license 124 00:07:28,587 --> 00:07:29,947 Speaker 2: if it would be to their detriment? 125 00:07:31,267 --> 00:07:34,787 Speaker 3: That's a very good question. Why would they? Why would 126 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:36,987 Speaker 3: New Zealand? And it's it's done at board level, so 127 00:07:37,147 --> 00:07:40,387 Speaker 3: it's only the board that can do it right now 128 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:42,307 Speaker 3: that you've got to ask you, and that's the question 129 00:07:42,347 --> 00:07:45,467 Speaker 3: of ours and the media, and why would a New 130 00:07:45,547 --> 00:07:53,067 Speaker 3: Zealand national board give away their IP their players during January, 131 00:07:53,187 --> 00:07:58,387 Speaker 3: compromising their national obligations to the ICC? Why would it? 132 00:07:58,427 --> 00:08:01,907 Speaker 3: Why would a national board of directors or whatever they 133 00:08:01,907 --> 00:08:06,427 Speaker 3: are vote for that? And you know it's a real thing, 134 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:09,827 Speaker 3: it could happen, and that's the question. That's the question 135 00:08:09,907 --> 00:08:12,227 Speaker 3: you'd be asking the board. Why would you do what's 136 00:08:12,347 --> 00:08:16,067 Speaker 3: in the benefit for New Zealand Cricket to compromise your 137 00:08:16,147 --> 00:08:21,027 Speaker 3: national your international schedule to put your TV rights which 138 00:08:21,027 --> 00:08:24,907 Speaker 3: are huge at risk and those TV rights are what 139 00:08:25,107 --> 00:08:28,947 Speaker 3: runs the whole game in New Zealand, right if sonny 140 00:08:29,107 --> 00:08:34,307 Speaker 3: And and SkyTV don't get the game they want, don't 141 00:08:34,307 --> 00:08:36,187 Speaker 3: get the players they want, and that you know, in 142 00:08:36,187 --> 00:08:38,987 Speaker 3: that January window, there's a very real risk that they 143 00:08:39,027 --> 00:08:42,507 Speaker 3: would withdraw. They've paid a lot of money. They paid 144 00:08:42,547 --> 00:08:45,547 Speaker 3: a lot of money for TV rights for the black Caps. 145 00:08:45,827 --> 00:08:47,987 Speaker 2: But there's no suggestion that players will be pulled out 146 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:51,867 Speaker 2: of international cricket. There's there's no suggestion of that at all. 147 00:08:54,027 --> 00:08:56,467 Speaker 3: There is a suggestion that all players that sign up 148 00:08:56,467 --> 00:08:59,027 Speaker 3: to this need to be available for this January window. 149 00:08:59,147 --> 00:09:00,947 Speaker 3: So I mean, that's that's a question that needs to 150 00:09:00,987 --> 00:09:04,627 Speaker 3: be clarified, right. I listened to that Dan McCarty interview 151 00:09:04,707 --> 00:09:09,747 Speaker 3: yesterday with Don McKinnon. Yeah, there's way more questions that 152 00:09:09,827 --> 00:09:11,987 Speaker 3: need to be asked to those guys. Is exactly how 153 00:09:11,987 --> 00:09:14,667 Speaker 3: it's going to work. But it's not New Zeon's cricket tournament. 154 00:09:15,467 --> 00:09:18,987 Speaker 3: You know, why would Nuzeon Cricket hand over the keys 155 00:09:20,507 --> 00:09:24,067 Speaker 3: to anyone else to go out and make money off 156 00:09:24,107 --> 00:09:25,667 Speaker 3: their off their game. 157 00:09:25,867 --> 00:09:27,827 Speaker 2: Well then in that case, then why would we send 158 00:09:27,827 --> 00:09:30,267 Speaker 2: two teams to the Big Bash, as is one of 159 00:09:30,307 --> 00:09:32,547 Speaker 2: the other suggestions on the table. 160 00:09:33,547 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 3: Well, it's controlled by New Zeon Cricket, and Zeon Cricket 161 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:37,867 Speaker 3: maintains control of it. 162 00:09:37,987 --> 00:09:40,627 Speaker 2: But the Big not the Big, not the Big Bash, 163 00:09:40,987 --> 00:09:41,307 Speaker 2: not the. 164 00:09:41,227 --> 00:09:44,907 Speaker 3: Big main control. They may control. They maintain control of 165 00:09:44,947 --> 00:09:48,547 Speaker 3: their own players and the terms and conditions for how 166 00:09:48,547 --> 00:09:50,787 Speaker 3: it all works, and there's there's decent money in that, 167 00:09:50,947 --> 00:09:53,427 Speaker 3: but that works, that works. 168 00:09:55,347 --> 00:09:58,467 Speaker 2: The reason I think that people think this is a 169 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:02,547 Speaker 2: good idea is because the Super Smash is losing money. 170 00:10:02,947 --> 00:10:05,307 Speaker 2: There's no broadcast deal for it next year, which it 171 00:10:05,347 --> 00:10:07,907 Speaker 2: has I'm sure you know the broadcast deal with Sky 172 00:10:08,547 --> 00:10:11,667 Speaker 2: which comes into effect next summer is International Cricket. So 173 00:10:11,707 --> 00:10:15,587 Speaker 2: at the moment, there's no broadcast partner for the Super Smash, 174 00:10:15,627 --> 00:10:20,467 Speaker 2: which means that there's no revenue stream created by that competition. Again, 175 00:10:21,187 --> 00:10:24,427 Speaker 2: I just don't understand why you are not in favor 176 00:10:24,507 --> 00:10:26,347 Speaker 2: of investment in the game here. 177 00:10:28,107 --> 00:10:30,067 Speaker 3: Is it investment in the game or is it an 178 00:10:30,147 --> 00:10:34,067 Speaker 3: investment in n Z twenty. When you say investments in 179 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:37,027 Speaker 3: the game, where does the money go? It doesn't go 180 00:10:37,107 --> 00:10:38,107 Speaker 3: to New Zealand Cricket. 181 00:10:38,147 --> 00:10:40,707 Speaker 2: Well, the major associations are part of New Zealand Cricket 182 00:10:40,707 --> 00:10:43,227 Speaker 2: and as I understand that, they get a very good 183 00:10:43,307 --> 00:10:47,267 Speaker 2: chunk of the revenue generated from this competition, this proposed competition. 184 00:10:48,307 --> 00:10:50,747 Speaker 3: They do, they do, and then what do you end 185 00:10:50,787 --> 00:10:53,587 Speaker 3: up with If your money is coming from n Z twenty, 186 00:10:53,667 --> 00:10:56,227 Speaker 3: not from New Zealand Cricket, what do you end up with? 187 00:10:57,067 --> 00:10:58,587 Speaker 3: You know, do you end up with the cohesi of 188 00:10:58,627 --> 00:11:01,067 Speaker 3: New Zealand cricket scene, or do you end up with 189 00:11:01,107 --> 00:11:07,627 Speaker 3: a whole lot of minor associations, you know, independent operating, independing. 190 00:11:07,787 --> 00:11:10,107 Speaker 3: New Zealand's a small nation, right, we punch above our 191 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:13,267 Speaker 3: weight on the international circuit. Right, We've done really, really well. 192 00:11:13,307 --> 00:11:15,467 Speaker 3: But the only way we can do that is if 193 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:19,827 Speaker 3: we maintain a cohesive unit where we're led from you know, 194 00:11:20,267 --> 00:11:24,067 Speaker 3: the top down, and we're well organized. We play smart, 195 00:11:24,147 --> 00:11:27,747 Speaker 3: we train smart. We shouldn't be performing the way we 196 00:11:27,787 --> 00:11:31,187 Speaker 3: do on the world stage. We're a small, reasonably poorly 197 00:11:31,227 --> 00:11:35,907 Speaker 3: funded country, right, we can't afford to be fractured. So 198 00:11:36,507 --> 00:11:39,907 Speaker 3: you know, there are other options. There's the big bash option. 199 00:11:40,027 --> 00:11:41,707 Speaker 3: If it was such a great idea to run a 200 00:11:41,707 --> 00:11:44,947 Speaker 3: franchise system, then why wouldn't New Zealand Cricket run it. 201 00:11:46,347 --> 00:11:48,147 Speaker 3: Why would they outsource it to someone else? 202 00:11:48,507 --> 00:11:51,307 Speaker 2: Well, you said before that every other competition in the 203 00:11:51,307 --> 00:11:55,747 Speaker 2: world has has ownership from its national association. Well, the IPL, 204 00:11:55,867 --> 00:11:59,547 Speaker 2: the the IPL doesn't, the Caribbean Premier League doesn't. And 205 00:11:59,587 --> 00:12:01,867 Speaker 2: I think that's the one that NZ twenty have kind 206 00:12:01,867 --> 00:12:04,067 Speaker 2: of looked towards as a as a bit of a 207 00:12:04,067 --> 00:12:05,627 Speaker 2: model for this proposal. 208 00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:08,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. No, I didn't say all of them. 209 00:12:08,427 --> 00:12:12,507 Speaker 3: I said the South African, the the BBL, the English 210 00:12:12,507 --> 00:12:15,867 Speaker 3: one hundred are all owned by the governing association. The 211 00:12:15,907 --> 00:12:19,147 Speaker 3: West Indian one, You're right, it's owned by some Irish billionaire, 212 00:12:19,187 --> 00:12:24,187 Speaker 3: I think, and I don't think the West Indian model 213 00:12:24,267 --> 00:12:26,347 Speaker 3: was the model to be following. If that's the model 214 00:12:26,347 --> 00:12:31,387 Speaker 3: they're following, then we're in trouble. Why so, well, look 215 00:12:31,387 --> 00:12:34,067 Speaker 3: at state of West Indians cricket. I mean they can't 216 00:12:34,347 --> 00:12:36,267 Speaker 3: get their play you know, from where they were to 217 00:12:36,347 --> 00:12:41,267 Speaker 3: where they are now. They're not a cohesive unit. They're 218 00:12:41,307 --> 00:12:44,307 Speaker 3: struggling on the world stage. They've got they can't get 219 00:12:44,307 --> 00:12:48,227 Speaker 3: their best players playing for the national team. It's difficult 220 00:12:48,227 --> 00:12:51,467 Speaker 3: for them. They've lost to some degree, they've lost control. 221 00:12:51,507 --> 00:12:53,667 Speaker 3: And this is what we fear is when New Zealand 222 00:12:53,747 --> 00:12:58,587 Speaker 3: Cricket loses control of the game, then New Zealand cricket 223 00:12:59,467 --> 00:13:01,747 Speaker 3: at grassroots level but even up to the up to 224 00:13:01,787 --> 00:13:06,027 Speaker 3: the international level will not be as strong. And I 225 00:13:06,147 --> 00:13:09,307 Speaker 3: just think, you know, the game needs to be controlled 226 00:13:09,307 --> 00:13:13,387 Speaker 3: by New Zealand cricket and this board, this board need 227 00:13:13,507 --> 00:13:16,947 Speaker 3: to look after New Zealand Cricket O. 228 00:13:17,067 --> 00:13:19,067 Speaker 2: Look, you won't get an argument from me on that. 229 00:13:19,347 --> 00:13:22,587 Speaker 2: You're right, it's the board's responsibility to administer or other 230 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:27,587 Speaker 2: oversee the game strategically at all levels, including at international level. 231 00:13:27,907 --> 00:13:29,707 Speaker 2: But as I said before, Itch in, New Zealand Cricket 232 00:13:29,787 --> 00:13:33,147 Speaker 2: have the final sign off on what happens next to 233 00:13:33,187 --> 00:13:37,067 Speaker 2: our domestic T twenty competition. So why on earth would 234 00:13:37,067 --> 00:13:40,467 Speaker 2: they grant n Z twenty a license? You know NZ 235 00:13:40,587 --> 00:13:43,227 Speaker 2: twenty Dom McKinnon and I listened to Daniel McCarty's interview 236 00:13:43,307 --> 00:13:45,347 Speaker 2: yesterday and he said, look, if they decide that where 237 00:13:45,467 --> 00:13:47,787 Speaker 2: the best option, then then we'll embrace that. If they 238 00:13:47,787 --> 00:13:50,347 Speaker 2: decide we're not, then we'll shake hands and walk away. 239 00:13:50,427 --> 00:13:52,827 Speaker 2: Why would New Zealand Cricket go down a path which 240 00:13:52,827 --> 00:13:56,547 Speaker 2: would be detrimental to them? 241 00:13:57,307 --> 00:13:59,187 Speaker 3: Well, well that's a question you have to ask the 242 00:13:59,227 --> 00:14:04,427 Speaker 3: board members, right. You know, from my point of view, 243 00:14:04,547 --> 00:14:06,667 Speaker 3: having been and watched and played in the aim and 244 00:14:06,707 --> 00:14:10,987 Speaker 3: being involved, it seems the craziest decision I have ever seen, 245 00:14:11,467 --> 00:14:14,347 Speaker 3: you know, in the history of you know, since I've 246 00:14:14,347 --> 00:14:17,747 Speaker 3: been around. It's unbelievable. And I know I'm not the 247 00:14:17,747 --> 00:14:20,267 Speaker 3: only one, and you know, I've got a lot of contacts, 248 00:14:21,387 --> 00:14:24,947 Speaker 3: but there are people on the board who who are 249 00:14:25,027 --> 00:14:27,227 Speaker 3: either you know, it's a I think it's a very 250 00:14:27,227 --> 00:14:30,427 Speaker 3: weak board. At one end, that's that's the nicest thing 251 00:14:30,467 --> 00:14:32,107 Speaker 3: you can say about it. At the other end, it's 252 00:14:32,107 --> 00:14:38,667 Speaker 3: potentially compromised. So some are on that scale. If that 253 00:14:38,827 --> 00:14:42,747 Speaker 3: board lets this happen, you know what's the space it's 254 00:14:42,787 --> 00:14:44,227 Speaker 3: it's a dangerous thing to do. 255 00:14:45,427 --> 00:14:49,147 Speaker 2: Again, the board are in charge of the future direction 256 00:14:49,307 --> 00:14:52,307 Speaker 2: and strategy of New Zealand cricket at all levels, and 257 00:14:52,347 --> 00:14:55,227 Speaker 2: then they hand down that decision to the CEO and 258 00:14:55,267 --> 00:15:00,027 Speaker 2: the operational team to execute that strategy. So again they 259 00:15:00,227 --> 00:15:05,427 Speaker 2: they I don't know that it's there. It's their duty. 260 00:15:05,427 --> 00:15:09,867 Speaker 2: They're responsible to come up with the best outcome, isn't it. 261 00:15:10,187 --> 00:15:15,427 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there, Absolutely it is. And it's our duty 262 00:15:15,427 --> 00:15:18,827 Speaker 3: as former players to say to put our point and 263 00:15:18,907 --> 00:15:22,387 Speaker 3: say we think if you're thinking of going down this path, 264 00:15:22,907 --> 00:15:25,707 Speaker 3: we think it's the wrong path. I mean, they'll make 265 00:15:25,747 --> 00:15:27,747 Speaker 3: the decision. It won't be me or anyone else. But 266 00:15:28,187 --> 00:15:30,707 Speaker 3: you know, rest assured that that board is not a 267 00:15:30,747 --> 00:15:32,307 Speaker 3: happy board, all right. 268 00:15:32,347 --> 00:15:34,307 Speaker 2: Just to just back to what it could mean then, 269 00:15:34,347 --> 00:15:36,587 Speaker 2: as you say, we're going down this path as I 270 00:15:36,667 --> 00:15:39,587 Speaker 2: understand that the proposal is for our top female cricketers 271 00:15:39,627 --> 00:15:42,387 Speaker 2: to be available for three weeks in December, and our 272 00:15:42,387 --> 00:15:44,587 Speaker 2: top male cricketers to be available for pretty much the 273 00:15:44,587 --> 00:15:48,987 Speaker 2: calendar month of January, you know, inside existing agreements. And 274 00:15:49,147 --> 00:15:51,667 Speaker 2: I saw it suggested that perhaps players will be pulled 275 00:15:51,707 --> 00:15:54,787 Speaker 2: out of the Test series against Australia in January next year, 276 00:15:54,827 --> 00:15:58,787 Speaker 2: which has never been suggested, never been you know, talked about. 277 00:15:58,787 --> 00:16:01,947 Speaker 2: But let's say it's January. There isn't any international cricket 278 00:16:01,947 --> 00:16:04,947 Speaker 2: here in January anyway, Richard. There wasn't last summer, there 279 00:16:04,987 --> 00:16:08,427 Speaker 2: isn't this summer. So why wouldn't that window be a 280 00:16:08,427 --> 00:16:08,947 Speaker 2: good one. 281 00:16:09,827 --> 00:16:12,627 Speaker 3: Well, if it's completely open then from a point of 282 00:16:12,707 --> 00:16:17,027 Speaker 3: view of cricket finn But I think there's the Fourth 283 00:16:17,067 --> 00:16:19,827 Speaker 3: Test that falls into January, and there's a Sri Lankan 284 00:16:19,907 --> 00:16:22,387 Speaker 3: tour that falls into January. Isn't there yet? There is? 285 00:16:22,467 --> 00:16:25,627 Speaker 2: And as I'm sure you heard Don McKinnon say yesterday, 286 00:16:25,627 --> 00:16:28,227 Speaker 2: there is no suggestion that players would be pulled out 287 00:16:28,547 --> 00:16:32,707 Speaker 2: of their test commitments in January to play n Z 288 00:16:32,907 --> 00:16:35,507 Speaker 2: twenty if in fact that is the proposal that goes ahead. 289 00:16:36,427 --> 00:16:39,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they've been pretty light on detail. But he 290 00:16:39,147 --> 00:16:41,787 Speaker 3: also said there'd be three to four international players in 291 00:16:41,827 --> 00:16:43,907 Speaker 3: each team, didn't he. Yep, that's what I picked up. 292 00:16:44,107 --> 00:16:45,147 Speaker 2: Yep, he said that to me as well. 293 00:16:45,187 --> 00:16:48,427 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, where are they coming from? 294 00:16:48,827 --> 00:16:52,067 Speaker 2: Well, I guess internationally would be from the cricket playing 295 00:16:52,147 --> 00:16:55,747 Speaker 2: nations around the world. The same part types of players 296 00:16:56,107 --> 00:16:58,227 Speaker 2: they're playing the Big Bash, that play in the South 297 00:16:58,227 --> 00:17:01,347 Speaker 2: African competition. Those sorts of players i'd imagine would be 298 00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:03,067 Speaker 2: the ones that he's talking about. 299 00:17:03,987 --> 00:17:05,827 Speaker 3: Well, they're playing in the Big Bash and they're playing 300 00:17:05,827 --> 00:17:06,347 Speaker 3: in South Africa. 301 00:17:06,627 --> 00:17:08,987 Speaker 2: Come on, Rich, there's more than there's a lot of 302 00:17:08,987 --> 00:17:10,147 Speaker 2: cricketers around the world. 303 00:17:11,347 --> 00:17:15,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you know, three to four international players 304 00:17:15,027 --> 00:17:17,907 Speaker 3: and these teams, I mean, they're a bit light on 305 00:17:17,987 --> 00:17:20,427 Speaker 3: detail because I don't think he actually, you know, means 306 00:17:20,427 --> 00:17:24,587 Speaker 3: that seriously, because you know what we need is I 307 00:17:24,627 --> 00:17:28,947 Speaker 3: think way more detail on this because and it's just 308 00:17:28,987 --> 00:17:33,147 Speaker 3: a highly risky situation that you know, they need to 309 00:17:33,187 --> 00:17:36,267 Speaker 3: answer a lot more questions on it. It's you know, 310 00:17:36,867 --> 00:17:41,507 Speaker 3: I can tell you now that it's a very divided 311 00:17:42,147 --> 00:17:47,027 Speaker 3: there's two sides. It's very divided. It's quite emotional it's 312 00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:50,267 Speaker 3: it's you know, there's a lot going on behind the scenes. 313 00:17:50,067 --> 00:17:53,107 Speaker 2: Which is a shame because emotion needs to be taken 314 00:17:53,147 --> 00:17:55,307 Speaker 2: out of this. In many ways, we need to hover 315 00:17:55,387 --> 00:17:57,507 Speaker 2: above this and say what is best for the game. 316 00:17:57,587 --> 00:17:59,267 Speaker 2: I know you want what's best for the game. 317 00:17:59,947 --> 00:18:00,107 Speaker 3: You know. 318 00:18:00,347 --> 00:18:03,387 Speaker 2: A further a former international player and someone who's always 319 00:18:03,427 --> 00:18:05,587 Speaker 2: been deeply invested in it, Richard, you and I've talked 320 00:18:05,587 --> 00:18:07,347 Speaker 2: a lot about cricket, it all in all sorts of 321 00:18:07,347 --> 00:18:10,067 Speaker 2: different ways over the time that I have known you. 322 00:18:10,187 --> 00:18:12,587 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, the game has 323 00:18:12,627 --> 00:18:14,587 Speaker 2: to sit in the middle of this conversation. It can't 324 00:18:14,627 --> 00:18:17,107 Speaker 2: be hijacked by emotion and hyperbole. 325 00:18:19,387 --> 00:18:21,067 Speaker 3: I agree. It's got to be the best decision for 326 00:18:21,107 --> 00:18:23,107 Speaker 3: the game and that that's what the letter from Hadley 327 00:18:23,147 --> 00:18:28,827 Speaker 3: and Snedden and Murdoch and Stephen Boch were saying is listen, guys, 328 00:18:28,987 --> 00:18:31,547 Speaker 3: you've got to put cricket first and you've got to 329 00:18:31,667 --> 00:18:34,747 Speaker 3: sort this out. One of their comments was you've got 330 00:18:34,747 --> 00:18:37,267 Speaker 3: to play the player, the play the ball, not the man. 331 00:18:38,467 --> 00:18:38,627 Speaker 3: You know. 332 00:18:38,947 --> 00:18:41,787 Speaker 2: Again, that's that's removing emotion, isn't it. That's another way 333 00:18:41,787 --> 00:18:44,227 Speaker 2: of saying, let's remove the emotion from this let's look 334 00:18:44,227 --> 00:18:46,427 Speaker 2: at the options on the table and let's work out 335 00:18:46,427 --> 00:18:47,587 Speaker 2: what is best going forward. 336 00:18:49,667 --> 00:18:53,907 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, that's what work out what's best going forward. 337 00:18:54,147 --> 00:18:56,867 Speaker 3: And I guess what I'm saying is, or what we're 338 00:18:56,907 --> 00:19:00,307 Speaker 3: saying is, you know, you've got to have New Zealand 339 00:19:00,347 --> 00:19:04,427 Speaker 3: Cricket in control of New Zealand Cricket. Once you once 340 00:19:04,467 --> 00:19:09,267 Speaker 3: you vote to give away power and put your revenue 341 00:19:09,307 --> 00:19:13,067 Speaker 3: streams at risk, you're putting yourself in a weak position 342 00:19:13,387 --> 00:19:17,387 Speaker 3: and it's very hard to get it back. So you know, 343 00:19:17,547 --> 00:19:20,227 Speaker 3: New Zealand Cricket needs to be running New Zealand Cricket. 344 00:19:21,067 --> 00:19:23,667 Speaker 2: All right, we are going to disagree obviously on a 345 00:19:23,947 --> 00:19:26,187 Speaker 2: couple of points. Yeah, one final thing I wanted to 346 00:19:26,227 --> 00:19:29,587 Speaker 2: ask you. You accept this as not a rebel league. 347 00:19:29,547 --> 00:19:33,347 Speaker 3: Right, depends on how you define it. 348 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:34,467 Speaker 2: How do you define it? 349 00:19:39,667 --> 00:19:41,947 Speaker 3: I would say a rebel league as where outside has 350 00:19:42,027 --> 00:19:45,827 Speaker 3: come in and look to take over a situation using 351 00:19:45,827 --> 00:19:47,427 Speaker 3: all sorts of means possible. 352 00:19:49,387 --> 00:19:51,907 Speaker 2: And also I think I think the suggestion is that 353 00:19:51,947 --> 00:19:55,267 Speaker 2: it would run alongside an existing league, which there's no 354 00:19:55,307 --> 00:19:58,387 Speaker 2: suggestion that this would. I like the ICL, I think, 355 00:19:58,387 --> 00:20:01,187 Speaker 2: which ran alongside the ip L. Ic L was a 356 00:20:01,227 --> 00:20:05,027 Speaker 2: rebel league, which which wasn't sanctioned any competition that's run 357 00:20:05,027 --> 00:20:06,947 Speaker 2: here in New Zealand, as I say, to be sanctioned 358 00:20:06,947 --> 00:20:09,587 Speaker 2: by New Zealand Cricket. This is not a rebel lead. 359 00:20:09,627 --> 00:20:12,307 Speaker 3: That's right. No, no, you're right on that basis. You 360 00:20:12,307 --> 00:20:14,427 Speaker 3: know it would be if it was sanctioned by by 361 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:19,387 Speaker 3: the Board of New Zealand Cricket. I mean the question 362 00:20:19,547 --> 00:20:21,707 Speaker 3: is the Board of New Zealand Cricket. Yeah, that's an 363 00:20:21,707 --> 00:20:24,027 Speaker 3: interesting one. That's an interesting group. 364 00:20:25,187 --> 00:20:27,467 Speaker 2: All right, Richard, always enjoyed chatting. 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