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Speaker 1: Police are delaying the role out of the mental health

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Speaker 1: changes for the second time. He sort of saw this coming,

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Speaker 1: didn't You mean this is work. It's been underway to

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Speaker 1: reduce basically the demand that mental health called out to

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Speaker 1: have on the police. At the request of the multi

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Speaker 1: agency group who are running this, the rollouts now going

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Speaker 1: to be staggered across the various police districts rather than

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Speaker 1: the all at once approach. The Police Association president Chris

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Speaker 1: Carhills well US Chris morning, Mike. I didn't realize, but

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Speaker 1: there's apparently district variation. Is that true? And if it

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Speaker 1: is true, why.

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Speaker 2: Basically because different districts have different capability to actually from

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Speaker 2: health to actually deliver on it. So they simply don't

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Speaker 2: have the services in some of those district health boards

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Speaker 2: for one of the better phrase. Now they've amalgamated them

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Speaker 2: to actually deliver what the police need to hand over

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Speaker 2: these these people suffer in mental distress. So police have

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Speaker 2: agreed to just slow down and do it by district.

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Speaker 2: I mean the best thing might add. Finally, health and

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Speaker 2: the national level of recognizing they've got to step up

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Speaker 2: and take responsibility for what is a health problem, not

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Speaker 2: a police problem.

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Speaker 1: How much of this in your heart of hearts do

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Speaker 1: you reckon? It's about people hating change, not liking it.

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Speaker 1: It's not my problem, so I'm going to complain a

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Speaker 1: lot and try install this as opposed to you know what,

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Speaker 1: it is your problem and you've got to step up.

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Speaker 2: Originally, there was certainly a lot of the of the

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Speaker 2: former people in the house area just didn't want to

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Speaker 2: take responsibility. And that's what we learned from overseas. Unless

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Speaker 2: police to align on the sand and say nope, you're

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Speaker 2: going to do it, the people suffering mental distress won't

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Speaker 2: get the right care from the right people at the

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Speaker 2: right time. And that is not police officers sitting in

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Speaker 2: hospitals for six ass that's not good for anyone. So

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Speaker 2: you know we had to push it. We pushed it.

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Speaker 2: I'm engaged in and I understand why we're want to

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Speaker 2: slow down and just make sure we get it right.

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Speaker 2: We don't want how one falling through the cracks. But

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Speaker 2: remember police will still go to anyone because at risk

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Speaker 2: of harming themselves or the public. So you're a police.

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Speaker 2: Time is spent on mental health call apse.

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Speaker 1: It's the ridiculously I don't think, I don't think anyone

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Speaker 1: seeing a cop sitting there literally six hours an eed

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Speaker 1: is serving anybody well. I think most people get that.

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Speaker 1: So you remain as an idea. You're as confident as

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Speaker 1: you were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I've spoken recently to the police team that

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Speaker 2: had grippn up. I've seen it. I'm going to hold

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Speaker 2: you to account. I don't want to see this as

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Speaker 2: a backdown. They've given me a surances note. It's just

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Speaker 2: making sure that things are in line to make sure

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Speaker 2: people don't slip through the cracks. So it takes a

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Speaker 2: little bit longer to get a right. So yet as

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Speaker 2: long as and this is the thing I'm most team

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Speaker 2: to make sure happens. How to on board and run

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Speaker 2: with it and don't just continue to push back you

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Speaker 2: bed It gets tough.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chris, Well done, Chris Carhill, Police Association President. For

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