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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealands. Welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number two seven five for the twenty

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Speaker 2: seventh of January twenty twenty six. It was the topic

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Speaker 2: we didn't get to again, we dropped one.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it was an absolute doozy as well. Sola, Sola,

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Speaker 3: Sola didn't get to Sola.

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Speaker 2: And you to hangovers. Yesterday didn't get a solid day

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Speaker 2: because the conversation on nihilism and young people in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand just blew up. Had a fantastic chat with someone

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Speaker 2: called Jasmine who did not have a lot of respect

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 3: She was fired up, she was fired up, very fired up.

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Speaker 2: But we love those chats, so look out, look out

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Speaker 2: for that one.

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Speaker 3: Great show, So download, subscribe, tay your friends and family.

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Speaker 2: And give a taste the key You seem busy, Let

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk SEDB very good Afternoons. You're welcome and to Tuesday Show.

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Speaker 3: Seven pass one. So good to have you with us again.

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Speaker 3: Hey you, Matt, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Now I want to talk about a I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I should be hearing this on on here? Hear

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Speaker 2: you should hearing it on here?

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: If it's dirty laundry, hear it right here, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Dirty family laundry.

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Speaker 3: Good, this is the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Literally, it's a betrayal from my partner, right, Okay. So

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Speaker 2: I go for a run. I like it run, you do.

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Speaker 2: And I've recently bought these these running shorts from Lululemon,

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Speaker 2: and these Lulu Limon running shorts have like these inners

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Speaker 2: so you can stick your phone. It sticks your phone

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Speaker 2: to your thigh inside the shorts, and people that run

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Speaker 2: all know, yep. Stick your sunglasses on the other side,

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Speaker 2: and it holds it tight so you can run. Then

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Speaker 2: it can you know you're running, app tells you how

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Speaker 2: fay you've run? All that kind of stuff, yep. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, is you know when I'm running down the

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Speaker 2: street there's just ladies wolf whistling.

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Speaker 3: I bet.

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Speaker 2: But the way what happened was even sexier and a

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Speaker 2: massive betrayal from my partner. Okay, So I'm going for

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Speaker 2: my run and she's leaving and I wave goodbye, you know,

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Speaker 2: walk her to the car with this stuff? Oh nice, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it seem said's take a lot of stuff to work,

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Speaker 2: oh the way, And so I take that to walk

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Speaker 2: her to the car. And then I go, okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: off on my run. And then I'm about a k

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Speaker 2: into my run and I look down and I noticed

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Speaker 2: that I'm wearing these shorts inside out. So they look

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Speaker 2: like the most humiliating axl rows bike shorts you've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, there's been no wolf whistles during that morning's run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what kind of partner doesn't tell you

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Speaker 2: that you've got your shorts on inside out before you

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Speaker 2: go for a run. Who you've helped them take their

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Speaker 3: That is a mess of betrayal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a betrayal, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: But I but I like your style. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: she knew that is the funniest thing. Well, she just

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Speaker 3: very much, Matt for helping me. I love you very much.

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Speaker 3: We'll see at the end of the day. Then she's

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Speaker 3: giggling away, she's driving to work. That's brilliant, Tracy. Well done.

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Speaker 2: And then what am I supposed to do? Go behind

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Speaker 3: No, you just got to own it. You got to

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Speaker 3: sort yourself out. Yeah, your shorts are inside out.

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Speaker 2: Well if she got confused in the dark and head

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Speaker 3: Oh you letting go?

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Speaker 2: No, letting go?

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Speaker 1: No way.

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Speaker 2: I will tell her, well.

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Speaker 3: You're a better partner. Then you're a better partner.

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Speaker 2: I'm a better person. Yeah, absolute betrayal there.

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Speaker 3: She must off. Yeah, I thought it was funny, Tracy,

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Speaker 2: She's texting me with her side of the store now bit.

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Speaker 3: She is right on to today's show. After three o'clock

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Speaker 3: one of a chat about solos so solo uptake in

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Speaker 2: Wonder why there's not a lot of solar and Welling yeah.

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Speaker 2: Why yeah, I mean that's a good question, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Right, Central Tigo perfect, But that's going to be a

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Speaker 3: good chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock, we're going

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Speaker 3: to get on the head of Outward Bounds, the educational organization.

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Speaker 3: They've done good things in the past, but they've recently

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Speaker 3: put out a survey. It's called Crisis of Confidence. So

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Speaker 3: stating that it is the worst it's ever been. One

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Speaker 2: Twenty five percent of young men zero close friends. That

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Speaker 2: The age when you're young, when you find it easier

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Speaker 2: Is it because people? I imagine it's the same corporates.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it ternally online, staying in your bedroom because you

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Speaker 2: growing anxiety because you never because it's easy, easy not

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Speaker 2: if I didn't fight my anxiety to go and see people,

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Speaker 3: Too easy to isolate yourself and think that you've got

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Speaker 3: check keen to hear from you and your own kids.

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Speaker 3: Do you worry about the lack of friends they might

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Speaker 3: let's have a chat about New Zealand post it's closing

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Speaker 3: changes to its retail store network. New Zealand Post said

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Speaker 2: But they really tell that to Pegasus, whose nearest bloody

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Speaker 2: post is going to? Oh what about this? Actually Linton

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Speaker 3: That's a massive drive to go drop off your post

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Speaker 2: And natangy eight point nine to nine. So that are

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Speaker 2: we just going to? Post office? Has just gone? Because

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Speaker 2: and that they always seem to be really busy. So

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Speaker 2: are they closing down because people just don't use them anymore?

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Speaker 2: Are they push pushing people towards not using them anymore?

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Speaker 2: What do you need a post office for? I guess

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Speaker 3: It seems to be because New Zealand posts have been

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Speaker 3: I mean part of me, I don't go into a

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Speaker 3: be done online. So we're talking your passports, we're talking

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Speaker 3: I know they want to digitize that anyway, but there

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Speaker 3: is something comforting about having a physical location that you

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Speaker 2: And it's also isolating socially because I go to the

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Speaker 2: signed copies of my book. You see people contact me

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Speaker 2: and say, can I have a signed copy of your

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Speaker 2: book and I say sure, yep, I'll sign a copy

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Speaker 2: and see it to you generous man. Yeah, charging them,

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Speaker 2: and so I go in and send it out. But

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Speaker 2: the people are lovely in the post office. I go

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Speaker 2: to helpful. Do you have an interaction with the they

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Speaker 2: get the little form, they circle it so you can

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Speaker 2: track it. It's a pleasant experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any problems you have, they can solve them there

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Speaker 3: as you said before, meat, the ones that you go

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Speaker 3: behavior is changing and people aren't going into post offices

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Speaker 2: Our government organizations, do they have a responsibility to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's something about doing with someone that can

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, guys. I just think it's it's everything is

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Speaker 6: I think there are certain things, like you know, if

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Speaker 6: Why do you need a post office?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But what is strange for me, Jeff, is that

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Speaker 3: But I mean that raises a question, Jeff, should New

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Speaker 3: Just get rid of all five hundred right now? If

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, do you find yourself, Jeff, when you're dealing with

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Speaker 2: So you don't think that the government because you you know,

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Speaker 6: You know, I think there's there is some you know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you can look at that as what happened

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Speaker 2: Now you go think thank you for your call, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: No, you've spent too much money. You're not really talking

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Speaker 3: There's really a social moment, is there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, And drinking at home is less meaningful than

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Speaker 2: Every three days when I go in to send out

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it's like it's more meaningful, nicely said. Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Does the government owe us a responsibility to keep the

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Speaker 3: Beg very shortly the headlines and the hard questions. It's

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Speaker 10: Bremen RB. She says what she said about how is

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Speaker 11: She is independent?

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Speaker 10: Well is she independent or not?

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Speaker 12: She is?

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Speaker 11: And whatever the advice, she.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't have to take advice. She can do whatever she likes.

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Speaker 11: No, I just think it would been good to have

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Speaker 11: take some advice. And if she got the advice, what

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Speaker 11: advice would she have got it? She should have engaged

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Speaker 11: the Foreign affairs. Is she got to have talked to

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Speaker 11: the Minister of Finance.

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Speaker 10: That's a bit smudgy to me. She's either independent. If

442
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Speaker 10: she not, she needs to talk to nicolab. But she

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Speaker 10: she likes and.

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Speaker 11: She come on now, she's fully independent.

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Speaker 10: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: a Vida News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty nine to two. So are we entitled

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Speaker 3: to a post office around our town or is that

449
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Speaker 3: an outdated expectation. This is on the back of New

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Speaker 3: Zealand post closing in one hundred and forty two stores.

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Speaker 2: For goodness sake, you two says this text out they're

452
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Speaker 2: closing but because they simply aren't busy enough. What part

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Speaker 2: of people doing stuff online do you not understand? I

454
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Speaker 2: think you've missed the wider point of our question. Texture

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Speaker 2: and really strange voice that you text in. It was

456
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Speaker 2: a very strange voice, one sort of high purchased voice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you know we're saying that. Look, obviously it is

458
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Speaker 2: expedient to do it online, and it does save money

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Speaker 2: to shut down post office and do it on doing aline,

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Speaker 2: But there are always areas where a human is better.

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Speaker 2: And I think human contact is an important thing. And

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Speaker 2: I understand it's a what a state owned enterprise has

463
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Speaker 2: to make a profit. But the question really is is

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Speaker 2: to community a community's owe to post office? Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: if it was cost neutral, should you keep it open?

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Speaker 3: But you can't forget about that argument of social connection.

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Speaker 3: For a lot of towns, the old post office is

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Speaker 3: the community hub.

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Speaker 7: I e.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eight years and number to.

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Speaker 2: Call Hi guys, New Zealand posts have been a joke

472
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Speaker 2: for years. It's a monopoly and should be creaming it.

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Speaker 2: They could sell all sorts of things in store. Do

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Speaker 2: driver's license provide mail centers for overseas workers, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: They lack imagination. They also refuse to live a mail

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Speaker 2: to a whole lot of overseas countries. They remind me

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Speaker 2: of the entirelander. Maybe they should privatize and have someone

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Speaker 2: else run it.

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Speaker 3: Bred that's not a bad dis Actually, yeah, very good.

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Speaker 3: All right, we've got to you've got the headlines hot

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Speaker 3: on our tails. But we're taking your calls on our

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eight. If you want us

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Speaker 3: in a text nine two nine two. Is that number

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Speaker 3: backtvery shortly? It's twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 1: You've talk said, be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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Speaker 8: District state of Emergencies lifting, but a local version's continuing

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Speaker 8: storm damage around the country and Manganui's landslide. The sites

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Speaker 8: and stability means recovery of those buried in the slip

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Speaker 8: could take days or even weeks. The Prime Minister says

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump's suggestion non US troops serving in Afghanistan avoided

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Speaker 8: at Ens and Herald Premium. Now back to Matte than

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Speaker 8: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan. So we're talking about New

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Speaker 3: Zealand posts. They are going to close one hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty two physical stores. So the question we put to

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Speaker 3: you is should the government guarantee a post office no

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Speaker 3: matter where you live, do they owe it to you

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Speaker 3: to have that community HUBBO one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty is a number to call.

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Speaker 2: This is depressing text. No they don't. They need to

513
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Speaker 2: balance the box costs rent salaries versus income. In forty

514
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Speaker 2: years time, those who wanted to be face to face

515
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Speaker 2: will be either pushing daisies or sitting steering at a window.

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Speaker 2: Move on, move out ted. That's depressing, says, that's the

517
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Speaker 2: future that we want. That we're all just everything's online.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to leave the house.

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Speaker 2: We never communicate with other humans. We just sit steering

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Speaker 2: into screens at the behest of whoever grabs our attention. Next.

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Speaker 3: What a cold, dystopian version of the society. I hope

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Speaker 3: that never comes to pass. I hope people push back

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Speaker 3: on that sort of stuff. I mean, you know, because

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Speaker 3: we are increasingly an online society, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's good for the collective mental wellbeing of humanity.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible for it. I mean, every single study you

527
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Speaker 2: ever have shows that the best thing for happiness is

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Speaker 2: face to face contact between other humans. Every part of

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Speaker 2: it you remove. I'm sure I understand that maybe post

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Speaker 2: offices they may not be the front line of it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe as a we're pretty broke country at the moment.

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Speaker 2: We can't afford for the post office to be losing money. Maybe,

533
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Speaker 2: but the world is a better place. I mean purely

534
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Speaker 2: financial decision. Sure, maybe post office would go, but there's

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Speaker 2: no doubt that the world is a worse place when

536
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Speaker 2: there's least opportunities for people to communicate face to face.

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Speaker 2: This Texas is only morons can't do it online?

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Speaker 3: Shots fired?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by do it online?

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Speaker 3: Could mean anything? Allison? How are you hi? Hello?

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Speaker 13: I'm fine? So I just mentioned that, Yeah that you know,

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Speaker 13: there's the local where I live, the local bookshop. It's

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Speaker 13: a trade shops as the agency to be the post shop,

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Speaker 13: so they do all your postal things, stamps, parcels, international mail.

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Speaker 13: Whether whether the government has set sales at agency, like

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Speaker 13: in those towns you mentioned, the bookshop gets all the

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Speaker 13: you know, busly sells more stationary doing that and having

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Speaker 13: that agency. But the ladies are really good at the

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Speaker 13: you know way your parcels do your mail. It's no

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Speaker 13: different to say from the post shop. But they've given

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Speaker 13: that town, our town, that agency to do that. I

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Speaker 13: mean it could be of course Square that does it,

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Speaker 13: or in some of those towns. Whether whether we need

554
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Speaker 13: to find out whether you know Newtiland posters if they've

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Speaker 13: shut them down in one town, will say to this

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Speaker 13: shop would you like to be our agency in this

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Speaker 13: town and do all our postals. They must get a

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Speaker 13: they must get money.

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Speaker 14: For that to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone going and buy something else. Bike of the

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Speaker 2: pins at the counter. Pikakariki Post offic Center is closing

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Speaker 2: down Elson, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but I mean Cavity Cavity prep Ram is not

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Speaker 13: not far away. But I mean all the postal services

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Speaker 13: are there.

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Speaker 15: They're not.

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Speaker 7: They're not.

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Speaker 13: You know, and you talk about doing things online. You

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Speaker 13: can't the letter online, so you know you have to

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Speaker 13: go there. And I go there. They you know, they're

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Speaker 13: really good, they're nice people. They it's a it's not

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Speaker 13: and you haven't got a big lineup of people. Maybe

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Speaker 13: at Christmas time, you know you notice, might be a

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Speaker 13: couple more people waiting, but it's not. It's not sort

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Speaker 13: of constant so busy, you know, like a postop you

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Speaker 13: used to be where you know you'd go. And so

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Speaker 13: I just sort of mentioned that whether you can find

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Speaker 13: out whether those all those post shops that have been

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Speaker 13: closed down, whether they you know, the government are giving

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Speaker 13: that license for a shop to have the post.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for you call Alison Well the post officer.

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Speaker 2: I go to one of them, anyways inside a pharmacy

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Speaker 2: have some sort of deal with the pharmacy four five five.

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Speaker 2: So it's a post office in a pharmacy. So that's

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Speaker 2: that's sharing costs.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but we'll find that out for you, Allison.

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Speaker 3: But certainly there are a lot of combined businesses when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the New Zealand Post. One hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to cool. Nine two

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Speaker 3: nine two is a text.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, Jeff is what's wrong with the world. He's

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Speaker 2: the one that's saying that that's the world. The world's going.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's just going to do anything online. Get off your

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Speaker 2: ass and go out in social life.

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Speaker 3: Good on your good on your Trevor, good on your

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Speaker 3: favor to go it for you? June, how are you

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Speaker 3: this afternoon? How are you June man? Yes, hi Jane.

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Speaker 14: Now what these muppets who are doing all disclosing the

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Speaker 14: post offices down.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Post muppets So people will think.

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Speaker 14: That that's bad. What are people going to do who

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Speaker 14: can't do anything online or you know it's going to

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Speaker 14: be difficult. I don't do it online at all. I

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Speaker 14: hate it.

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Speaker 2: You'll you'll be left behind.

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Speaker 3: You won't be able to do that.

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Speaker 14: I'll be dead by Dan. When it comes word technology,

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Speaker 14: I'd be gone then. Thank god for that.

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Speaker 2: We know we don't want that, June, that's bad news.

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Speaker 2: We want You're around as long as we can. June.

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Speaker 14: Well, it has me for as long as they're all open.

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Speaker 14: But once becomes technology, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Be going right the New Zealand post it's a threat

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Speaker 3: from June. Thank you, all right, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't she lovely?

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Speaker 2: Close down June's post office and she'll be gone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want that. We want you to stick around.

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Speaker 2: It didn't COVID teach us anything. Yeah, I mean, look

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Speaker 2: look what happened when they locked us to our homes.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get to interact with different people. Everyone went

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Speaker 2: completely mental. The world's still completely mental.

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Speaker 3: We're still recovering from that crazy time.

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Speaker 2: Everyone went completely insane. And people haven't come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: people have not come back from being terminally online and

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Speaker 2: COVID and not not you know, properly socializing and properly

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Speaker 2: going into stores and bars and restaurants and such. More

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Speaker 2: isolated we get, the more crazy we get, and the

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Speaker 2: more polarized we get. Yeah, and maybe maybe post offices

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Speaker 2: are something where we just go, wow, hold on, just

630
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Speaker 2: hold on one little like fingernails on the edge of oblivion.

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Speaker 2: Just that that last, that last little piece of human

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Speaker 2: interaction out fight for your post office.

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Speaker 3: But what do you say? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

634
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Speaker 3: eighty is that number? To call back very shortly? It

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Speaker 3: is seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: Matd Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

637
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Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news.

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Speaker 3: Talks, it'd be fourteen to two. New Zealand Posts is

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Speaker 3: planning to close one hundred and forty two stores, so

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Speaker 3: has it and the government abandoned towns by shutting down

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Speaker 3: these post offices.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, nothing like a bit of eye candy to

643
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Speaker 2: bring the punters and cheers, Tony. Is that you're assertion, Tony,

644
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Speaker 2: that the people working behind the counters that post offices

645
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Speaker 2: aren't hot enough. As a result, they're not getting people

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Speaker 2: through the doors.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like that's what is alluding to. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I've seen some pretty good looking people at the post office.

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Speaker 2: Bikini car washes used to work back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Gets the money in Maybe that's a strategy they need

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Speaker 3: to look at. It would be bold, it'd be bold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be a bold, bold strategy. They're gotton tenure.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: I how you good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for.

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Speaker 16: Hey, that's okay. Look, I totally agree with what you're saying.

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Speaker 16: I think that the post offices are more than just

658
00:31:16,093 --> 00:31:18,013
Speaker 16: a service. They're actually a community hub.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we're running out of community hubs, aren't they. They're

660
00:31:21,573 --> 00:31:22,293
Speaker 2: disappearing really.

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Speaker 16: Hall, Yeah, yeah, we are. Look, you can see that

662
00:31:25,373 --> 00:31:27,813
Speaker 16: what they're trying to do is just put everything online.

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Speaker 16: Like you say, and like what other people have said.

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Speaker 16: I work in retail and we get a lot of

665
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Speaker 16: the age population coming in. You can tell that they're

666
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Speaker 16: not just coming in to buy something. You're maybe the

667
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Speaker 16: only person that they've spoken to all day. They're maybe

668
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Speaker 16: at a rest home, and they just want that daily

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Speaker 16: contact with somebody. So long after the transaction's done, if

670
00:31:50,853 --> 00:31:54,013
Speaker 16: you're not busy, you can have some really meaningful conversations.

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Speaker 16: So you know, it's not just about yeah, just the

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Speaker 16: bottom line and it's costing too much. It's about connecting

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Speaker 16: people and keeping people together.

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Speaker 2: I read the script book by Vivic Mercy, who's an

675
00:32:09,173 --> 00:32:11,253
Speaker 2: surge in general to the United States, And they've done

676
00:32:11,293 --> 00:32:16,533
Speaker 2: these huge studies and they were saying the emotional good

677
00:32:16,933 --> 00:32:19,053
Speaker 2: of just talking to people in your community, saying he

678
00:32:19,213 --> 00:32:21,573
Speaker 2: to someone the dairy, saying hello to someone in a

679
00:32:21,693 --> 00:32:26,773
Speaker 2: shop is absolutely massive because we really focus on connections

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00:32:26,813 --> 00:32:29,293
Speaker 2: between you know, friends, getting out to meet friends and

681
00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:32,413
Speaker 2: family and such. But when they do these studies, just

682
00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:36,413
Speaker 2: those interactions going to a post office to send something

683
00:32:36,453 --> 00:32:40,293
Speaker 2: to someone or to sign a form or whatever, that

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00:32:40,453 --> 00:32:43,093
Speaker 2: is huge for people's mental health of all ages, not

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00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:47,013
Speaker 2: just just old people, everyone, and all these efficiencies are

686
00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:50,653
Speaker 2: just raising that so we can just sit online and

687
00:32:50,773 --> 00:32:55,333
Speaker 2: just efficiency means removing humanity. Humans. Basically, all efficiencies now

688
00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:56,853
Speaker 2: are removing humans from the equation.

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Speaker 16: Yep, yeah, I totally agree. And you know, you might

690
00:33:01,573 --> 00:33:04,933
Speaker 16: just one smile or just one comment might change somebody's

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00:33:05,013 --> 00:33:08,013
Speaker 16: day for the theater. You know, if you were imperfect,

692
00:33:08,693 --> 00:33:11,013
Speaker 16: someone might have just got some bad news and they

693
00:33:11,093 --> 00:33:13,173
Speaker 16: might just want to tell somebody that they don't have

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Speaker 16: anyone close to them and you just happened to be

695
00:33:17,773 --> 00:33:20,333
Speaker 16: that person that day, and that could have changed, you know,

696
00:33:20,573 --> 00:33:23,773
Speaker 16: their whole day for the better. Just that human interaction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so true.

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Speaker 2: I think it's huge and we should find it everywhere. Yeah.

699
00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:30,213
Speaker 2: I mean this guy was talking in his book. I

700
00:33:30,293 --> 00:33:34,453
Speaker 2: look at what is doctor Vic the Vic Murphy's Murphy's

701
00:33:34,453 --> 00:33:37,293
Speaker 2: book is, But I think it was just called loneliness.

702
00:33:38,173 --> 00:33:42,053
Speaker 2: But he was just saying anytime you can can try

703
00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:45,613
Speaker 2: and find some kind of human connection walking down the street,

704
00:33:45,653 --> 00:33:47,933
Speaker 2: if you see someone, say a load to them, even

705
00:33:47,973 --> 00:33:52,173
Speaker 2: that massive endorse doorphin rush. It makes us because with

706
00:33:52,333 --> 00:33:55,373
Speaker 2: social creatures, we're evolved to be in social groups. So

707
00:33:55,413 --> 00:33:58,013
Speaker 2: it feels like we're less lonely lonely, and then our

708
00:33:58,013 --> 00:34:00,533
Speaker 2: anxiety goes down because we feel like there's people around

709
00:34:00,613 --> 00:34:02,533
Speaker 2: us that might be able to protect us if twenty

710
00:34:02,573 --> 00:34:05,493
Speaker 2: five sober tooth tigers attack the you know the tribe.

711
00:34:05,933 --> 00:34:09,453
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. Yeah, And so huge thing is talking to

712
00:34:09,573 --> 00:34:12,133
Speaker 2: uber drivers, talking to your taxi drivers, Yeah, talking to

713
00:34:12,172 --> 00:34:15,812
Speaker 2: your dairy owners, all those kind of things is huge

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00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:16,533
Speaker 2: for mental health.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. Lovedy your thoughts about the closing of the

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00:34:21,733 --> 00:34:24,692
Speaker 3: post officers? Do you agree that they are more than

718
00:34:24,733 --> 00:34:26,933
Speaker 3: just a place to send letters? They are a social

719
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Speaker 3: community hub.

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Speaker 2: This persinaceays bring back the messenger pigeons core core yet,

721
00:34:31,573 --> 00:34:34,093
Speaker 2: but that doesn't solve the problem of social isolation. So

722
00:34:34,133 --> 00:34:36,652
Speaker 2: you can send a message by a pigeon, yeah, and

723
00:34:36,733 --> 00:34:38,652
Speaker 2: never be face to face with the person that gets it.

724
00:34:38,693 --> 00:34:41,212
Speaker 3: They're not going to talk as pigeons. Yeah, ah right.

725
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Speaker 3: It is ten minutes to two. We will be back

726
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Speaker 3: very shortly with more of your calls.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News Talks EDB, News Talks ed BE. It is eight

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Speaker 3: to two. We're talking about the New Zealand Post closing

731
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Speaker 3: down one hundred and forty two stores. How do you

732
00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:05,252
Speaker 3: feel about that? Is it more than just a place

733
00:35:05,253 --> 00:35:07,213
Speaker 3: to send letters? Is it a community hub? Oh eight

734
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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighties. I'm going to call Allison, how

735
00:35:09,893 --> 00:35:10,453
Speaker 3: are you.

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Speaker 17: Tyler, how are you? And hello, Matt Well. I don't

737
00:35:14,773 --> 00:35:18,293
Speaker 17: know where to start. Really, that makes me really cross

738
00:35:18,453 --> 00:35:22,212
Speaker 17: that they're closing them down. I think they're doing this.

739
00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:27,533
Speaker 17: They're making all their money from delivering parcels, you know,

740
00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:31,093
Speaker 17: parcel post, and I just think they're not interested in

741
00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:34,173
Speaker 17: anything else. That put the cost of posting a letter

742
00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:37,013
Speaker 17: up so high that people can't afford to do it.

743
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Speaker 17: And as they're saying, it's a point of contact and

744
00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,613
Speaker 17: some people might not get to say a word to

745
00:35:44,653 --> 00:35:48,253
Speaker 17: anyone else. I totally agree with all of that. And

746
00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:51,732
Speaker 17: that person earlier on that text in and said, we're

747
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:54,973
Speaker 17: morons if we can't send a letter online. I think

748
00:35:55,013 --> 00:35:59,413
Speaker 17: the majority of us can, but we choose maybe to

749
00:35:59,493 --> 00:36:02,493
Speaker 17: write someone a letter. People get a thrill going to

750
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:07,613
Speaker 17: the letter box for people I know, and it just

751
00:36:07,693 --> 00:36:11,333
Speaker 17: makes me so across New Zealand post I just I

752
00:36:11,373 --> 00:36:13,292
Speaker 17: was going to turn you off and not listen because

753
00:36:13,293 --> 00:36:15,253
Speaker 17: I get that cross about it. But I thought, no,

754
00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:17,253
Speaker 17: I'm going to ring up this time. I used to

755
00:36:17,293 --> 00:36:20,093
Speaker 17: ring when you were in christ Church, DA. I missed

756
00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:24,693
Speaker 17: you down here. But yes, I could go on forever,

757
00:36:24,853 --> 00:36:27,493
Speaker 17: I think because I do card making as well, and

758
00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:29,693
Speaker 17: a lot of the ladies that you know I do

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00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 17: it with they stopped sending Christmas cards and I thought, well,

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00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:37,333
Speaker 17: in a way, that's finishing their hobby as well, because

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00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:39,573
Speaker 17: you know, what's the point unless you're giving it to

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00:36:39,653 --> 00:36:44,453
Speaker 17: a person personally. But and you know, they removed all

763
00:36:44,493 --> 00:36:47,212
Speaker 17: the post little post box as we used to have

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Speaker 17: one at the end of the street, which was so handy.

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Speaker 17: And I was teaching my grandson who was about four

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00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:54,973
Speaker 17: or five at that time, to post a letter to

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00:36:55,053 --> 00:36:57,293
Speaker 17: his house and then you know, he'd get the thrill.

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Speaker 17: And then one day when we went for a walkie,

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00:36:59,693 --> 00:37:02,413
Speaker 17: oh grand the post box has gone. And it just

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00:37:02,493 --> 00:37:08,533
Speaker 17: gone basically overnight. No, I wish someone had start a petitioner. Well,

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00:37:09,173 --> 00:37:12,133
Speaker 17: you know, and even at Christmas, with the costs of

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00:37:12,173 --> 00:37:15,173
Speaker 17: the post I thought, why don't they make it half

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00:37:15,253 --> 00:37:17,213
Speaker 17: priced just for the Christmas season.

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00:37:17,653 --> 00:37:19,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been nice if they did that.

775
00:37:19,733 --> 00:37:22,493
Speaker 2: But on the other side of it, Ellison as this

776
00:37:22,613 --> 00:37:26,853
Speaker 2: Texas says, read the bloody financials insid posts and these

777
00:37:26,893 --> 00:37:30,773
Speaker 2: post insid post lost one hundreds of millions of dollars.

778
00:37:31,413 --> 00:37:33,573
Speaker 2: Weird grammar, but we get your point. Yes, I mean

779
00:37:33,613 --> 00:37:36,613
Speaker 2: it is losing money. So you know, these closures obviously,

780
00:37:36,613 --> 00:37:38,013
Speaker 2: when you look at it like that, they do make

781
00:37:38,093 --> 00:37:43,293
Speaker 2: sense and they are probably inevitable. Then none of the

782
00:37:43,293 --> 00:37:46,413
Speaker 2: closures are outrageous on their own if you think about it.

783
00:37:46,413 --> 00:37:49,093
Speaker 2: But taking together across things like banks and post offices,

784
00:37:49,173 --> 00:37:52,893
Speaker 2: they start to sort of build a story. We save

785
00:37:53,293 --> 00:37:55,973
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but we remove people entirely from

786
00:37:56,053 --> 00:38:02,133
Speaker 2: the system. That sort efficiencies are these days and slowly, politely,

787
00:38:02,373 --> 00:38:05,613
Speaker 2: our chances to interact with another human just they just

788
00:38:05,813 --> 00:38:10,653
Speaker 2: disappear before you know it. We become isolated, controlled wraiths

789
00:38:10,693 --> 00:38:16,693
Speaker 2: steering into screens, efficient but deeply sad and alone.

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Speaker 3: That sounds horrible, That sounds terrifying. That is nicely and

791
00:38:21,053 --> 00:38:23,493
Speaker 3: beautifully read. I've got to say, Matt, and I don't

792
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:26,212
Speaker 3: think anybody wants that great discussion. Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Thanks.

794
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Speaker 2: I spend the last fifteen minutes writing there.

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Speaker 3: That was good. I could tell that was beautiful. Thank

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00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:33,373
Speaker 3: you very much to everyone who called and text. That

797
00:38:33,493 --> 00:38:36,373
Speaker 3: was a great discussion. Coming up after two o'clock a

798
00:38:36,413 --> 00:38:39,933
Speaker 3: concerning report from education charity Outward Bound. It's called a

799
00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:42,613
Speaker 3: crisis of Confidence and one of the findings was one

800
00:38:42,613 --> 00:38:46,013
Speaker 3: in four young men twenty five percent report having zero

801
00:38:46,573 --> 00:38:50,213
Speaker 3: close friends. There you go that part of the isolation.

802
00:38:50,413 --> 00:38:52,373
Speaker 3: This is what's going on New Zealand. Post You bet

803
00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:53,053
Speaker 3: to be listening to this.

804
00:38:53,253 --> 00:38:55,853
Speaker 2: They could have met a girlfriend out of the post office.

805
00:38:56,253 --> 00:38:58,773
Speaker 3: We are going to be chatting to Outward Bound CEO

806
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:01,573
Speaker 3: as well, that's all coming up next. Newsport and weather

807
00:39:02,053 --> 00:39:05,053
Speaker 3: fast approaching great yav you company this afternoon. Stay right here.

808
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Speaker 3: We'll be back very soon.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons US Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon, Jery, welcome back into the show.

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00:39:25,973 --> 00:39:29,293
Speaker 3: Six past two. So let's have a chat about this

813
00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:33,133
Speaker 3: new report by outdoor education charity Outward Bound. Many people

814
00:39:33,253 --> 00:39:35,772
Speaker 3: know this organization do for ralistic work.

815
00:39:35,813 --> 00:39:39,013
Speaker 2: Great organization, yeah, absolutely one. Now you hear a person

816
00:39:39,213 --> 00:39:43,533
Speaker 2: that doesn't get involved with this organization without raving how

817
00:39:43,573 --> 00:39:44,732
Speaker 2: great it was for their child.

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00:39:44,893 --> 00:39:48,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic program. So this new research, it's called a

819
00:39:48,773 --> 00:39:52,373
Speaker 3: crisis of confidence. So here's a couple of highlights in

820
00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:56,053
Speaker 3: this research. Fifty seven percent of young people believe the

821
00:39:56,053 --> 00:40:00,253
Speaker 3: world is on a downward spiral, sixteen percent stating it's

822
00:40:00,293 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 3: the worst it's ever been.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, how badly are we educating people of faith?

824
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:09,253
Speaker 2: That's sixteen percent of them. I mean the fact that

825
00:40:09,293 --> 00:40:12,172
Speaker 2: fifty seven percent think it's on a downward trajectory. Whenever

826
00:40:12,253 --> 00:40:14,533
Speaker 2: his stat says it's on an uput trajectory, Yeah, but

827
00:40:14,733 --> 00:40:18,053
Speaker 2: sixteen say it's the worst it's ever been. For a start,

828
00:40:19,133 --> 00:40:21,453
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to be insane to think that.

829
00:40:21,853 --> 00:40:24,093
Speaker 2: I mean any I mean you must have heard of

830
00:40:24,133 --> 00:40:27,293
Speaker 2: World War two. Yes, surely these kids have heard of

831
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:27,813
Speaker 2: the plague.

832
00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,292
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Black Plague was That was a bad time.

833
00:40:31,533 --> 00:40:33,653
Speaker 3: That was a really bad time. If you think you're living.

834
00:40:33,413 --> 00:40:37,013
Speaker 2: In the worst time ever, my god, you are so

835
00:40:38,413 --> 00:40:39,613
Speaker 2: separated from reality.

836
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Speaker 3: Yes. One over one quarter twenty six percent of KIWI

837
00:40:44,293 --> 00:40:47,413
Speaker 3: youth report having little to no confidence in their ability

838
00:40:47,453 --> 00:40:51,172
Speaker 3: to change themselves for the better. That is disappointing and

839
00:40:51,733 --> 00:40:53,853
Speaker 3: this is terrifying as well. One in four young men

840
00:40:53,933 --> 00:40:56,933
Speaker 3: twenty five percent report having zero close friends.

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00:40:58,253 --> 00:41:00,893
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean that's that's really sad, because when you're

842
00:41:00,893 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 2: young is when it's easiest to make friends, isn't it.

843
00:41:03,173 --> 00:41:03,413
Speaker 3: Yeah.

844
00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:06,613
Speaker 2: I'm going to sort of ties on with our last

845
00:41:07,053 --> 00:41:10,172
Speaker 2: topic about post office is closing down and this lack

846
00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:13,813
Speaker 2: of social interaction, right, yeah, So, I mean more and

847
00:41:13,853 --> 00:41:17,933
Speaker 2: more of these kids are obviously not having the opportunity

848
00:41:18,093 --> 00:41:19,773
Speaker 2: to interact with other human beings.

849
00:41:20,133 --> 00:41:23,613
Speaker 3: Effectively, We've raised the most connected generation in history, but

850
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:26,413
Speaker 3: they've never felt more alone. So it should be terrifying

851
00:41:26,493 --> 00:41:28,173
Speaker 3: anybody reading this. We're going to have a chat to

852
00:41:28,213 --> 00:41:32,613
Speaker 3: Outward Bound CEO Melindy McLain very shortly, but we want

853
00:41:32,613 --> 00:41:34,453
Speaker 3: to have a chat with you about about this.

854
00:41:35,813 --> 00:41:37,733
Speaker 2: You know, how are these kids getting the message that,

855
00:41:38,213 --> 00:41:41,692
Speaker 2: like said, young women are more pessimistic about the words

856
00:41:41,733 --> 00:41:44,293
Speaker 2: direction than young men forty four percent versus thirty one percent.

857
00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:47,893
Speaker 2: I mean that's because they're terminally online and the the

858
00:41:48,293 --> 00:41:51,573
Speaker 2: what do you call it? The incentive of social media

859
00:41:51,773 --> 00:41:55,573
Speaker 2: and of online media is to project the most terrifying

860
00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:57,893
Speaker 2: world possible as a part of the attention economy, to

861
00:41:57,933 --> 00:42:00,133
Speaker 2: keep them online for as long as possible. So they're

862
00:42:00,133 --> 00:42:02,853
Speaker 2: just feared negative negative, negtive negative, negive, negive negative to

863
00:42:02,933 --> 00:42:05,213
Speaker 2: keep them online, and as a result, they think the

864
00:42:05,213 --> 00:42:08,773
Speaker 2: world's going to crap. Meanwhile, they're fully fair, They've got

865
00:42:08,773 --> 00:42:12,133
Speaker 2: a roof over their head, yep, they've got electricity, they've

866
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Speaker 2: on these devices. Everything, everything around them would suggest that

867
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Speaker 2: the world is incredible.

868
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Speaker 3: Access to all the information you could have, but.

869
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Speaker 2: They're so zoned in on bad news and terrible news

870
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Speaker 2: designed to keep them online, that that forty four percent

871
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Speaker 2: are pessimistic about the world's direction.

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Speaker 3: It is terrifying. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: So we want to have a check to you. Are

874
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Speaker 3: you worried about your teenagers, how much they are online

875
00:42:37,093 --> 00:42:39,493
Speaker 3: and what sort of content they are taking in if

876
00:42:39,493 --> 00:42:42,293
Speaker 3: they're sown are so pessimistic about the state of the world.

877
00:42:42,613 --> 00:42:46,053
Speaker 3: And also for young men having zero close friends twenty

878
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Speaker 3: five percent of them. Is that something that you're seeing

879
00:42:48,773 --> 00:42:51,693
Speaker 3: in your household and how can we turn that around?

880
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Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts. Nine two nine to two

881
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Speaker 3: is the text.

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Speaker 2: But coming up next I can play Rugger.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sports a messive part of it. Absolutely good bonding

884
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Speaker 3: all right? Coming up next Outward Bound CEO Malandi McLain

885
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Speaker 3: and then taking your calls. It is ten bus two.

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Speaker 1: You're home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call,

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Speaker 1: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. So a new rapport by

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Speaker 3: Outdoor Education charity Outward Bound reveals New Zealanders young people

890
00:43:22,653 --> 00:43:27,053
Speaker 3: are grampling with nihilism, loss of personal agency in stark isolation.

891
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Speaker 3: Joining us now is the CEO of outwood Bounds, Melindy McLain,

892
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Speaker 3: and she's on the phone. Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 18: Good afternoon, team, How are we doing very good?

894
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Speaker 2: Thanks for talking us to talking to us today now

895
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are texting through saying the world

896
00:43:41,933 --> 00:43:44,893
Speaker 2: is terrible, which is disappointing from them. But how do

897
00:43:44,933 --> 00:43:48,173
Speaker 2: you distinguish between healthy realism about the state of the

898
00:43:48,173 --> 00:43:51,053
Speaker 2: world and this nihilism that you talk about in young people.

899
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think the thing that we found really confronting

900
00:43:56,813 --> 00:44:01,333
Speaker 18: in the report was not just that young people feel

901
00:44:01,373 --> 00:44:05,093
Speaker 18: like the world is getting worse, is declining, and also

902
00:44:05,213 --> 00:44:08,293
Speaker 18: something worse has ever been, but over a quarter of

903
00:44:08,533 --> 00:44:12,533
Speaker 18: them don't feel like they have any power to change

904
00:44:12,893 --> 00:44:16,573
Speaker 18: the outcome. So it's sort of that doomrism of there's

905
00:44:16,613 --> 00:44:22,693
Speaker 18: almost a fatalistic response to the world of it's dust

906
00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:25,013
Speaker 18: and there's not much I can do about it, or

907
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:29,933
Speaker 18: there's nothing I can do about it. So that combination is,

908
00:44:30,013 --> 00:44:32,133
Speaker 18: you know, reflects a real lack of agency that we

909
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Speaker 18: think is pretty confronting.

910
00:44:33,973 --> 00:44:36,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the normal thing I'm thinking about When I

911
00:44:36,733 --> 00:44:38,373
Speaker 2: was young, all I wanted to do is get out

912
00:44:38,413 --> 00:44:41,252
Speaker 2: there and change the world. So what do you think

913
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:43,853
Speaker 2: that Why do you think this is the case that

914
00:44:43,853 --> 00:44:46,373
Speaker 2: people are going against that natural It's my time to

915
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Speaker 2: make a difference. Let's go since the youth.

916
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and historically, when you've actually looked at research around

917
00:44:55,133 --> 00:44:59,053
Speaker 18: young people compared with older generations, young people have always

918
00:44:59,053 --> 00:45:02,133
Speaker 18: stewed more optimistic. You know, that's the world is my oyster,

919
00:45:02,573 --> 00:45:05,053
Speaker 18: and that that is starting to change. And not just

920
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Speaker 18: our report, but in other reports we can or some conclusion.

921
00:45:09,293 --> 00:45:14,173
Speaker 18: So in our research we see that this sort of

922
00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:20,212
Speaker 18: nihilistic approach is higher, almost twice as high in young

923
00:45:20,253 --> 00:45:23,773
Speaker 18: people who spend more than four hours a day online.

924
00:45:23,893 --> 00:45:26,453
Speaker 18: But you know, as they're spending more time online, they're

925
00:45:26,493 --> 00:45:29,093
Speaker 18: feeling like they have less agency.

926
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Speaker 2: The same cultural again, isn't it.

927
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Speaker 19: Yeah.

928
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Speaker 18: Yeah, And then there's also a gender divide. So young

929
00:45:34,693 --> 00:45:38,533
Speaker 18: women actually are significantly more pessimistic than young men in

930
00:45:38,533 --> 00:45:42,813
Speaker 18: our data about the state of the world. So yeah,

931
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Speaker 18: there's a few different factors in there.

932
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Speaker 3: It is a fascinating finding. What do you think that

933
00:45:47,173 --> 00:45:50,053
Speaker 3: is that women, young women are more pessimistic and men,

934
00:45:50,093 --> 00:45:54,093
Speaker 3: it appears, are more lonelier. Is that, you know, because

935
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Speaker 3: of the content they are arguably being fed on these

936
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Speaker 3: online platforms, you.

937
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Speaker 18: Could draw that conclusion. I think women are more socialized

938
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Speaker 18: to notice danger from a young age is sort of socialized,

939
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 18: they have a heightened awareness around dangers. We know that

940
00:46:11,133 --> 00:46:13,813
Speaker 18: women have a heightened awareness things like gender based violent

941
00:46:13,933 --> 00:46:19,253
Speaker 18: and equality, et cetera. And also young women today compared

942
00:46:19,293 --> 00:46:23,133
Speaker 18: with women from older generations. I think of my mum,

943
00:46:23,733 --> 00:46:26,013
Speaker 18: I feel like there's a lack of progress or even

944
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:29,413
Speaker 18: like they're going backwards, whereas some of their older female

945
00:46:29,413 --> 00:46:31,853
Speaker 18: generations felt like they were part of the movement there

946
00:46:31,893 --> 00:46:34,013
Speaker 18: was progress. So potentially some of that has to do

947
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Speaker 18: with the gender divide and the and with with the

948
00:46:37,853 --> 00:46:40,453
Speaker 18: young men in the loneliness stance. It's it's sort of

949
00:46:40,453 --> 00:46:42,853
Speaker 18: a different it's a different problem there. But you know,

950
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Speaker 18: our reports is one in four young men. Quarter of

951
00:46:47,453 --> 00:46:51,893
Speaker 18: young men don't have any close friends. So yeah, so

952
00:46:52,373 --> 00:46:55,813
Speaker 18: that's that's that's a and there's a lot you can

953
00:46:55,853 --> 00:46:57,813
Speaker 18: say there around what's going on for the young men.

954
00:46:58,053 --> 00:47:00,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's always been kids that have struggled

955
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Speaker 2: to find friends. I mean, this is going to sound

956
00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:05,453
Speaker 2: like an oxy moron, but I had a friend who

957
00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:10,293
Speaker 2: didn't have any friends. I make an effort, well because

958
00:47:10,333 --> 00:47:11,853
Speaker 2: I noticed he didn't have friends high school. So I

959
00:47:11,853 --> 00:47:14,933
Speaker 2: made a real big effort to be a friend with

960
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Speaker 2: with some but it didn't quite work out. It was.

961
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Speaker 2: It was odd, he didn't seem to have the ability

962
00:47:20,693 --> 00:47:22,853
Speaker 2: to even though he wanted to to make it work.

963
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Speaker 6: It was.

964
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Speaker 2: It was an interesting, interesting situation. Ironically, his last name

965
00:47:27,373 --> 00:47:30,613
Speaker 2: was Love but anyway, so there's always been that. But

966
00:47:30,653 --> 00:47:34,013
Speaker 2: as twenty five percent a much higher statistic than it

967
00:47:34,093 --> 00:47:34,453
Speaker 2: used to be.

968
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Speaker 18: Yeah, twenty percent is high. Not having any close friends,

969
00:47:37,773 --> 00:47:41,772
Speaker 18: it's triple what the young woman, so, you know, nearly

970
00:47:41,893 --> 00:47:44,093
Speaker 18: nearly triple what young women say in that Stacey Wow.

971
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Speaker 18: And I think that it contributes to a lot of

972
00:47:47,813 --> 00:47:50,093
Speaker 18: what people are talking about at the moment around young

973
00:47:50,133 --> 00:47:53,613
Speaker 18: men feeling lonely and isolated. There is a bit of

974
00:47:53,613 --> 00:47:58,573
Speaker 18: a focus on, you know what one of the dark

975
00:47:58,613 --> 00:48:00,733
Speaker 18: spaces that young men get pulled into into the endite

976
00:48:00,893 --> 00:48:03,693
Speaker 18: and that you know, having close friends in a community

977
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:07,493
Speaker 18: and connection, we know is a really protective factor against that.

978
00:48:07,693 --> 00:48:11,213
Speaker 18: So there are these overlaps between time spent online feeling

979
00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:14,493
Speaker 18: the world, you know, how the world is looking, and

980
00:48:15,173 --> 00:48:19,613
Speaker 18: it's a sense of loneliness and isolation. They're pretty interlinked.

981
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Speaker 20: Now.

982
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Speaker 18: One of the things that we're proud of at Outward

983
00:48:23,373 --> 00:48:27,133
Speaker 18: Bound is, you know, we are a really neutral space

984
00:48:27,173 --> 00:48:31,173
Speaker 18: of non judgment for young people of all shaped sizes

985
00:48:31,213 --> 00:48:34,093
Speaker 18: and genders to come and just learn about who they

986
00:48:34,133 --> 00:48:36,453
Speaker 18: are and sort of try out who they are in

987
00:48:36,453 --> 00:48:40,413
Speaker 18: the real world in an offline environment. And we think

988
00:48:40,893 --> 00:48:43,413
Speaker 18: for a lot of this that solutions like that are

989
00:48:43,413 --> 00:48:47,933
Speaker 18: really important around how we build agency and our young people.

990
00:48:48,173 --> 00:48:50,693
Speaker 2: Yes, because I've never heard of a situation where someone's

991
00:48:50,733 --> 00:48:52,613
Speaker 2: taking their kid on outward bound and not come back

992
00:48:52,653 --> 00:48:55,333
Speaker 2: and just raved about what it's done for their child

993
00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:57,652
Speaker 2: and what it's done to them and their relationship with

994
00:48:57,693 --> 00:49:01,133
Speaker 2: their child, all those kinds of things. But what evidence

995
00:49:01,693 --> 00:49:05,013
Speaker 2: is there out there that outdoor challenges and no produced

996
00:49:05,333 --> 00:49:07,813
Speaker 2: lasting change for these kids psychologically.

997
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:11,212
Speaker 18: Well, we've got I mean, this report that we've done

998
00:49:11,293 --> 00:49:14,453
Speaker 18: is the first time we've done external research was non

999
00:49:14,533 --> 00:49:17,213
Speaker 18: outwards down young people. So we just went we wanted

1000
00:49:17,253 --> 00:49:20,413
Speaker 18: to understand down people in New Zealand. But we've done

1001
00:49:20,413 --> 00:49:23,533
Speaker 18: a lot of research around our own students and the

1002
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:29,373
Speaker 18: impact on outcomes that they experience, and that is at

1003
00:49:29,413 --> 00:49:33,893
Speaker 18: a immediately after course, how they we see shifts and

1004
00:49:33,933 --> 00:49:37,493
Speaker 18: things like confidence and resilience, connection to others, conscious nature,

1005
00:49:38,613 --> 00:49:42,893
Speaker 18: and we've measured that data for for decades and then

1006
00:49:42,933 --> 00:49:46,253
Speaker 18: we've had a long term research project going with Research

1007
00:49:46,293 --> 00:49:49,293
Speaker 18: and Zealand. It actually looks at a later date around

1008
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:51,933
Speaker 18: how that has been carried forward into their lives, into

1009
00:49:52,013 --> 00:49:57,693
Speaker 18: their families and communities. And more recently we've done some

1010
00:49:58,973 --> 00:50:02,333
Speaker 18: what's called social return on investment measurements, which looks at

1011
00:50:02,813 --> 00:50:05,573
Speaker 18: every dollar spent on and outward down course what can

1012
00:50:05,653 --> 00:50:10,253
Speaker 18: you expect as being re turned to society as a

1013
00:50:10,293 --> 00:50:13,652
Speaker 18: social benefit done with outdound globally, and it has a

1014
00:50:13,693 --> 00:50:17,613
Speaker 18: one to nine dollar return, which is really high. Every

1015
00:50:17,653 --> 00:50:20,053
Speaker 18: dollar cent you get the sort of nine dollars of

1016
00:50:20,133 --> 00:50:22,653
Speaker 18: social benefit, and that's because a whole lot of things.

1017
00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:26,212
Speaker 18: You know, it's productivity and lower health care costs both

1018
00:50:26,293 --> 00:50:30,413
Speaker 18: mental physical health care costs, and all of these things

1019
00:50:30,893 --> 00:50:34,493
Speaker 18: that are built into that model. But it's pretty compelling.

1020
00:50:34,813 --> 00:50:37,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you noticed a change it out would bound

1021
00:50:37,613 --> 00:50:40,173
Speaker 3: with the kids that you are getting into the program

1022
00:50:40,253 --> 00:50:43,413
Speaker 3: over the last few years that we here constantly in

1023
00:50:43,413 --> 00:50:45,093
Speaker 3: the media and there is a lot of truths that

1024
00:50:45,173 --> 00:50:48,973
Speaker 3: obviously that these issues are popping up, anxiety, social isolation, nihilism.

1025
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:51,533
Speaker 3: Of course in your report, have you noticed that with

1026
00:50:51,933 --> 00:50:53,853
Speaker 3: kids that you've been getting into the program over the

1027
00:50:53,893 --> 00:50:54,933
Speaker 3: last couple of years.

1028
00:50:55,373 --> 00:50:58,453
Speaker 18: Yes, And that is why we decided to do this research,

1029
00:50:58,693 --> 00:51:01,053
Speaker 18: was we were seeing some of it. We see thousands

1030
00:51:01,093 --> 00:51:03,613
Speaker 18: of young people come through our program every year and

1031
00:51:03,773 --> 00:51:06,573
Speaker 18: starting to see some of these shifts and the way

1032
00:51:06,613 --> 00:51:11,133
Speaker 18: that young people are experiencing a world APC and sort

1033
00:51:11,133 --> 00:51:14,573
Speaker 18: of disengagement and that sense of helplessness which is just

1034
00:51:14,693 --> 00:51:18,893
Speaker 18: so heartbreaking. Also, there's a lot of optimistic and energized

1035
00:51:18,933 --> 00:51:23,533
Speaker 18: young people makingversations here. But that was what triggered this report,

1036
00:51:23,693 --> 00:51:28,893
Speaker 18: was you know, we see a lot of data about depression,

1037
00:51:28,973 --> 00:51:32,373
Speaker 18: anxiety and mental health statistics, but not a lot of

1038
00:51:32,733 --> 00:51:34,893
Speaker 18: trying to look into actually what it feels like to

1039
00:51:34,893 --> 00:51:37,093
Speaker 18: be a young citizen and instead what's behind that, what

1040
00:51:37,133 --> 00:51:39,733
Speaker 18: does that feel like to kind of be in this cloud?

1041
00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:44,773
Speaker 18: And so that was what drove And also we're aware

1042
00:51:44,853 --> 00:51:46,973
Speaker 18: that by the time you get turned out of downforce

1043
00:51:46,973 --> 00:51:50,013
Speaker 18: as a young person, you already have that a little

1044
00:51:50,013 --> 00:51:52,172
Speaker 18: bit of a sense of hope and taking the experments,

1045
00:51:53,053 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 18: we're getting a really small subject of the broader population,

1046
00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:58,933
Speaker 18: and so we wanted to understand actually broadly what's happening

1047
00:51:58,933 --> 00:52:01,613
Speaker 18: out there in our young people.

1048
00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:04,373
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because you've got parents that are trying to

1049
00:52:04,453 --> 00:52:06,853
Speaker 2: challenge their kids to do something right, and is that

1050
00:52:06,933 --> 00:52:08,773
Speaker 2: part of the problem is to parents need to take

1051
00:52:08,853 --> 00:52:12,733
Speaker 2: some blame, if blames the right word, because if kids

1052
00:52:12,733 --> 00:52:14,773
Speaker 2: feel like they have no agency, is that because their

1053
00:52:14,813 --> 00:52:19,293
Speaker 2: agency is being taken off them by you know the

1054
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:21,613
Speaker 2: things we hear about, you know, driving your kids to school,

1055
00:52:21,693 --> 00:52:23,933
Speaker 2: not letting them go and do their own things, and

1056
00:52:24,733 --> 00:52:29,133
Speaker 2: the anxiety of their parents ending up with their kids

1057
00:52:29,253 --> 00:52:32,733
Speaker 2: being brought up by digital vices whatever, and not having

1058
00:52:33,053 --> 00:52:35,172
Speaker 2: that feeling that they can do stuff the exact kind

1059
00:52:35,173 --> 00:52:37,413
Speaker 2: of stuff that would band give them that confidence that

1060
00:52:37,453 --> 00:52:39,692
Speaker 2: they can actually do something if they try.

1061
00:52:41,013 --> 00:52:43,413
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think, I mean we short of talk about

1062
00:52:44,413 --> 00:52:48,413
Speaker 18: connection infrastructure, right, so you know, you young men aren't

1063
00:52:48,693 --> 00:52:53,893
Speaker 18: having no close friends because they just stuck at making friends.

1064
00:52:53,973 --> 00:52:56,813
Speaker 18: You know, there's a whole lot of things that contribute

1065
00:52:56,853 --> 00:53:00,853
Speaker 18: to that being such a big statistic, and it kind

1066
00:53:00,853 --> 00:53:04,653
Speaker 18: of goes across the board of it's multifaceted. The parents

1067
00:53:04,693 --> 00:53:07,333
Speaker 18: have a role to play that. There's societal norms, there's

1068
00:53:07,573 --> 00:53:10,573
Speaker 18: social media. It's a huge part of this. And we

1069
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:12,893
Speaker 18: know that young people in New Zealand are spending I

1070
00:53:12,933 --> 00:53:15,493
Speaker 18: think it's an average of forty two hours a week

1071
00:53:15,693 --> 00:53:19,573
Speaker 18: online and on devices. That's more than a full time

1072
00:53:19,693 --> 00:53:25,653
Speaker 18: job on wine. You know, it pushes everything else out.

1073
00:53:25,813 --> 00:53:30,013
Speaker 18: It pushes out time outside times, solving problems, you know,

1074
00:53:30,133 --> 00:53:32,813
Speaker 18: resolving conflict with friends in the real world. And so

1075
00:53:33,613 --> 00:53:35,853
Speaker 18: I guess what we would say it outward Dound is

1076
00:53:35,853 --> 00:53:40,933
Speaker 18: that we don't need to reinvent the wheel to respond

1077
00:53:40,973 --> 00:53:44,573
Speaker 18: to this sort of sense of umerism and lack of agency,

1078
00:53:45,013 --> 00:53:49,093
Speaker 18: but recommitting to some of these approaches that we know work.

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Speaker 18: So we know our down has been around for sixty

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00:53:51,253 --> 00:53:54,293
Speaker 18: three years. We know that we have these amazing outcomes.

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Speaker 18: Now I'm I'm on ansangelist. I don't think it's going

1082
00:53:58,653 --> 00:54:02,093
Speaker 18: to solve everything. I do believe that New Zealand would

1083
00:54:02,133 --> 00:54:05,652
Speaker 18: look fundamentally different if every young New Zealand on an

1084
00:54:05,653 --> 00:54:08,293
Speaker 18: outward downforce. It's a really different society.

1085
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:12,773
Speaker 2: Well that's possibly not possible. We're talking to Linda McLean,

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00:54:12,813 --> 00:54:14,973
Speaker 2: our CEO of Outward Bound. But say this is just

1087
00:54:15,013 --> 00:54:16,893
Speaker 2: an example. A couple of days ago, I was playing

1088
00:54:16,933 --> 00:54:19,613
Speaker 2: backyard cricket with my son, like in the driveway bolunt

1089
00:54:19,653 --> 00:54:21,172
Speaker 2: which other they hadn't done it for a long time

1090
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:22,773
Speaker 2: since he was a kid, and I was coaching him

1091
00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:25,293
Speaker 2: and I said, oh boy, this is fun when I'm

1092
00:54:25,293 --> 00:54:27,733
Speaker 2: not having to tell you how to play. You know,

1093
00:54:27,733 --> 00:54:30,732
Speaker 2: I'm not coaching you. It's just fun, right, And he said, yeah, yeah,

1094
00:54:30,733 --> 00:54:31,853
Speaker 2: it used to be a bit of a punish but

1095
00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:33,333
Speaker 2: he go and then he goes, But you know what,

1096
00:54:33,373 --> 00:54:35,253
Speaker 2: three of my best friends were on my cricket teams

1097
00:54:35,373 --> 00:54:39,053
Speaker 2: when I was younger, you know. So you know, outward

1098
00:54:39,053 --> 00:54:41,933
Speaker 2: Bound is amazing, but there is a lot to be

1099
00:54:41,973 --> 00:54:45,133
Speaker 2: said just for sport, right, just making kids being involved

1100
00:54:45,173 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 2: in teams, getting out meeting people, even if they're not

1101
00:54:48,213 --> 00:54:49,973
Speaker 2: going to even if they're not amazing at it, there

1102
00:54:50,013 --> 00:54:53,093
Speaker 2: is a there is that connection and that shared challenge

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00:54:53,133 --> 00:54:53,533
Speaker 2: part of it.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, So those learnings that I was sort of saying

1105
00:54:56,773 --> 00:55:01,053
Speaker 18: we carry from outwidum that any environment that a young

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00:55:01,093 --> 00:55:07,333
Speaker 18: person where they're required to be show responsibility, collaboration, perseverance

1107
00:55:08,693 --> 00:55:10,933
Speaker 18: and connecting with others. You know, any of those environments

1108
00:55:11,053 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 18: we can foster that kind of learning from consequence experience learning.

1109
00:55:15,013 --> 00:55:17,853
Speaker 18: It can be at school, it can be in sport.

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00:55:18,013 --> 00:55:23,093
Speaker 18: Like you say, we talk about third spaces, so yeah,

1111
00:55:23,333 --> 00:55:27,133
Speaker 18: not schill, not home, but third spaces and the Internet

1112
00:55:27,213 --> 00:55:30,173
Speaker 18: is not a third space, and so it has. You know,

1113
00:55:30,293 --> 00:55:32,652
Speaker 18: the Internet has replaced a lot of third spaces that

1114
00:55:32,693 --> 00:55:37,213
Speaker 18: are so important for young people's developments. So I completely

1115
00:55:37,253 --> 00:55:39,773
Speaker 18: agree with you. It's how do you take those lessons

1116
00:55:39,813 --> 00:55:43,413
Speaker 18: around what do we know that is really protective for

1117
00:55:43,493 --> 00:55:45,933
Speaker 18: young people in terms of helping them thrive and helping

1118
00:55:45,933 --> 00:55:49,453
Speaker 18: them feel optimistic about their future, and how do we

1119
00:55:49,493 --> 00:55:52,733
Speaker 18: make sure that that is built into, you know, the

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Speaker 18: way they go through life, you know, from teenage years onwards.

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Speaker 3: Melindy, this has been a fantastic chat, Thank you very much.

1122
00:56:00,773 --> 00:56:04,093
Speaker 3: It is important and pretty terrifying research as well, but

1123
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for having a chat with us,

1124
00:56:06,453 --> 00:56:08,173
Speaker 3: and we're going to open up the phone lines to

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Speaker 3: you audience. So eight hundred eighty ten eighty what is

1126
00:56:11,493 --> 00:56:15,093
Speaker 3: your feeling about this research and are we taking agency

1127
00:56:15,093 --> 00:56:16,812
Speaker 3: away from the kids as we're raising them? In twenty

1128
00:56:16,813 --> 00:56:18,373
Speaker 3: twenty six, it's twenty five past.

1129
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:25,813
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1130
00:56:25,853 --> 00:56:28,013
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1131
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,493
Speaker 3: Twenty eight pass too. So we're talking about this report

1132
00:56:30,533 --> 00:56:34,013
Speaker 3: from outward Bound that surveyed a whole bunch of young

1133
00:56:34,053 --> 00:56:36,853
Speaker 3: New Zealanders and found they grappling with nihilism, lost of

1134
00:56:36,893 --> 00:56:39,212
Speaker 3: personal agency in stark isolation.

1135
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:43,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, so are you experiencing it? Have you got have you?

1136
00:56:43,413 --> 00:56:47,573
Speaker 2: Have you seen this? This these kids twenty five percent

1137
00:56:47,613 --> 00:56:50,013
Speaker 2: of young males not having a single close friend. Are

1138
00:56:50,013 --> 00:56:53,693
Speaker 2: you seeing that? Are you seeing this nihilism? And what

1139
00:56:54,213 --> 00:56:56,732
Speaker 2: can what can cure it? I mean outward bound is great.

1140
00:56:56,773 --> 00:56:59,413
Speaker 2: If everyone could go on out outward browned, as she said,

1141
00:56:59,453 --> 00:57:01,933
Speaker 2: as the CEO said, then then it probably would help.

1142
00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:03,533
Speaker 3: Society would be a pretty good place.

1143
00:57:03,573 --> 00:57:06,613
Speaker 2: I think it's not It's not practical, though, is it. Yeah,

1144
00:57:06,733 --> 00:57:09,093
Speaker 2: it is practical to force your kids to be sports teams.

1145
00:57:09,173 --> 00:57:09,733
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1146
00:57:09,813 --> 00:57:12,093
Speaker 2: I mean that's why you put kids in sports teams,

1147
00:57:12,213 --> 00:57:15,133
Speaker 2: isn't it. So they meet people, they learn to deal

1148
00:57:15,173 --> 00:57:17,693
Speaker 2: with other people, they learn lessons in life and challenges

1149
00:57:17,733 --> 00:57:18,853
Speaker 2: and all all that kind of stuff.

1150
00:57:18,933 --> 00:57:19,093
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1151
00:57:19,133 --> 00:57:20,693
Speaker 2: I mean I've got lots of friends that never forced

1152
00:57:20,693 --> 00:57:23,733
Speaker 2: their kids to play sport. You should force them, kicking

1153
00:57:23,733 --> 00:57:25,453
Speaker 2: and screaming to play sport. I mean, some kids just

1154
00:57:25,493 --> 00:57:27,573
Speaker 2: really want to do it. One of my sons was

1155
00:57:27,613 --> 00:57:29,133
Speaker 2: like that, and one of them wasn't, and the one

1156
00:57:29,173 --> 00:57:30,773
Speaker 2: that wasn't still forced them to do it.

1157
00:57:30,853 --> 00:57:32,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, I scually don't think there was an option when

1158
00:57:32,733 --> 00:57:34,413
Speaker 3: I was at college. But this is a question for

1159
00:57:34,773 --> 00:57:37,693
Speaker 3: you and our listeners, and do you think outdoor education

1160
00:57:37,813 --> 00:57:40,253
Speaker 3: and sport it has been put on the back burners

1161
00:57:40,293 --> 00:57:43,093
Speaker 3: as an add on. You know, clearly mass is important,

1162
00:57:43,133 --> 00:57:46,933
Speaker 3: English is important, spelling, reading, all of those things critically important.

1163
00:57:47,093 --> 00:57:49,533
Speaker 3: But it feels to me looking from the outside that

1164
00:57:50,213 --> 00:57:54,653
Speaker 3: physical education getting into outdoor education rather getting into sports

1165
00:57:54,973 --> 00:57:56,853
Speaker 3: seems to be, Oh, you can do it if you want,

1166
00:57:56,893 --> 00:57:57,573
Speaker 3: but it's not really that.

1167
00:57:57,653 --> 00:58:01,053
Speaker 2: Essentially, we need to get bed into promoting the eighth

1168
00:58:01,453 --> 00:58:05,293
Speaker 2: fifteen because nowadays high school sports all about are you

1169
00:58:05,293 --> 00:58:06,773
Speaker 2: going to make the first fifteen? If you're not going

1170
00:58:06,813 --> 00:58:08,253
Speaker 2: to make the first fifteen, what's the point.

1171
00:58:08,413 --> 00:58:09,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, but back in.

1172
00:58:09,253 --> 00:58:12,213
Speaker 2: The day you just played rugby, so you know, if

1173
00:58:12,253 --> 00:58:14,093
Speaker 2: you were never good enough, you still had a team. Yeah,

1174
00:58:14,213 --> 00:58:16,933
Speaker 2: you still you still played in it. The wee weekend

1175
00:58:16,933 --> 00:58:18,773
Speaker 2: sports clubs are now a thing of the past. No,

1176
00:58:18,853 --> 00:58:23,253
Speaker 2: they're not. When when my kids were at Cornwall Cricket Club,

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00:58:23,253 --> 00:58:24,733
Speaker 2: that was absolutely rare.

1178
00:58:24,853 --> 00:58:25,213
Speaker 3: Huming.

1179
00:58:25,333 --> 00:58:29,693
Speaker 2: Yeah. The issue caused by systematic hate towards boys and

1180
00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:33,213
Speaker 2: males by the progressive liberals that infest education on government

1181
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:35,893
Speaker 2: departments so males are turning off and doing their own thing.

1182
00:58:36,293 --> 00:58:39,533
Speaker 2: That's from Matt. I mean, there definitely has been a

1183
00:58:39,773 --> 00:58:44,213
Speaker 2: media and social media and cultural.

1184
00:58:45,493 --> 00:58:50,893
Speaker 3: Men suck, you know, this whole toxic masculinity thing. Anything

1185
00:58:50,973 --> 00:58:52,493
Speaker 3: men want to do was bad. Yeah.

1186
00:58:52,733 --> 00:58:55,333
Speaker 2: And the and if there's men in a room, it

1187
00:58:55,333 --> 00:58:57,453
Speaker 2: would be better if there was less men and more women.

1188
00:58:57,533 --> 00:59:00,733
Speaker 2: And how horrible in any profession, this profession be better

1189
00:59:00,773 --> 00:59:02,493
Speaker 2: if there was less men in it. Yeah, that's basically

1190
00:59:02,573 --> 00:59:03,213
Speaker 2: the posh, isn't it?

1191
00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:05,213
Speaker 3: No wonder young men at the feel and what they

1192
00:59:05,213 --> 00:59:06,413
Speaker 3: hell does the world want out of me? Oh eight

1193
00:59:06,413 --> 00:59:07,173
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty.

1194
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:11,173
Speaker 2: We're pushing back, yep, two men on our shows. We're

1195
00:59:11,213 --> 00:59:11,973
Speaker 2: fighting the good fight.

1196
00:59:12,093 --> 00:59:14,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, take that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1197
00:59:14,613 --> 00:59:16,373
Speaker 3: the number to call when we come back. We have

1198
00:59:16,453 --> 00:59:18,533
Speaker 3: a chat with Lily and she's in her twenties and

1199
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Speaker 3: she's got some thoughts about this survey. Headlines with Rayling

1200
00:59:21,293 --> 00:59:21,813
Speaker 3: coming up.

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Speaker 8: You've talk zaib headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

1202
00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:30,133
Speaker 8: trouble with a blue bubble. The government is making one

1203
00:59:30,173 --> 00:59:33,853
Speaker 8: point two million dollars available through Merril Relief Funds for

1204
00:59:34,013 --> 00:59:38,013
Speaker 8: extreme weather relief and one million dollars to reimburse Mardey

1205
00:59:38,293 --> 00:59:42,013
Speaker 8: that assisted during last week's storms. Chris Pink will assist

1206
00:59:42,173 --> 00:59:46,573
Speaker 8: Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell as his associate.

1207
00:59:46,973 --> 00:59:50,173
Speaker 8: Pink will advise Cabinet on a possible government inquiry into

1208
00:59:50,173 --> 00:59:53,933
Speaker 8: the Mark Manganui slip. Two degrees is holding off on

1209
00:59:53,973 --> 00:59:57,173
Speaker 8: shutting down three G for a week while the North

1210
00:59:57,173 --> 01:00:02,053
Speaker 8: Island grapples with continued states of emergency concerns. Closing enz

1211
01:00:02,253 --> 01:00:05,493
Speaker 8: Post services at one hundred and forty two partner stores

1212
01:00:05,533 --> 01:00:10,973
Speaker 8: this year could have negative consequences for aging users. Thousands

1213
01:00:11,013 --> 01:00:13,773
Speaker 8: of people have reported feeling a magnitude four point five

1214
01:00:13,853 --> 01:00:17,893
Speaker 8: earthquake this afternoon. The light quake struck forty five kilometers

1215
01:00:17,933 --> 01:00:21,453
Speaker 8: northwest of Livin at a depth of five kilometers just

1216
01:00:21,573 --> 01:00:25,933
Speaker 8: before two o'clock. How do we remember the Holocaust as

1217
01:00:25,973 --> 01:00:28,933
Speaker 8: we grow further removed in time? You can see the

1218
01:00:28,973 --> 01:00:32,053
Speaker 8: full column at Enzet Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan

1219
01:00:32,093 --> 01:00:32,973
Speaker 8: Tyler Adams.

1220
01:00:32,973 --> 01:00:34,973
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about this

1221
01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:39,413
Speaker 3: report by outdoor education organization outward Bound, who do fantastic work,

1222
01:00:39,933 --> 01:00:42,653
Speaker 3: but it does seem to indicate young people are more

1223
01:00:42,693 --> 01:00:45,533
Speaker 3: isolated and pessimistic than they've ever been. So love to

1224
01:00:45,533 --> 01:00:49,013
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Hey.

1225
01:00:49,493 --> 01:00:51,413
Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler, I have a sixteen year old grandator

1226
01:00:51,413 --> 01:00:53,813
Speaker 2: who firmly believes that the human race will be extinct

1227
01:00:53,813 --> 01:00:55,493
Speaker 2: in her lifetime and has a good argument to back

1228
01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:58,853
Speaker 2: it up. Cheers, Ray, See, you've got to push back

1229
01:00:58,853 --> 01:01:01,173
Speaker 2: against that because that's what they're getting fed to keep

1230
01:01:01,173 --> 01:01:05,493
Speaker 2: them online, and various political groups with whatever agendas they have,

1231
01:01:06,053 --> 01:01:08,173
Speaker 2: want to terrify our kids. But they're actually living in

1232
01:01:08,173 --> 01:01:10,813
Speaker 2: the safest time that they ever have. I mean, even

1233
01:01:10,853 --> 01:01:15,013
Speaker 2: Bell Gates has said walked back his extensionalist talk around

1234
01:01:15,173 --> 01:01:18,853
Speaker 2: climate change. Even old Bill Gates is saying that humans

1235
01:01:18,853 --> 01:01:21,533
Speaker 2: will be fine, you know, But there are kids that

1236
01:01:21,573 --> 01:01:24,533
Speaker 2: walk around now that seriously think that through climate change

1237
01:01:24,533 --> 01:01:26,053
Speaker 2: the world's going to be over and humans are going

1238
01:01:26,093 --> 01:01:27,213
Speaker 2: to be gone within fifty years.

1239
01:01:27,333 --> 01:01:27,533
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1240
01:01:27,893 --> 01:01:30,133
Speaker 2: They actually there are actually kids walking around that have

1241
01:01:30,253 --> 01:01:33,853
Speaker 2: been told that and taught that, which is absolutely ridiculous.

1242
01:01:33,933 --> 01:01:37,973
Speaker 2: There's no serious climate scientists that's saying that. There are

1243
01:01:37,973 --> 01:01:42,493
Speaker 2: people with a genders that want to use terror, you know,

1244
01:01:42,613 --> 01:01:44,973
Speaker 2: you know, to terrify people into behaving in the way

1245
01:01:44,973 --> 01:01:47,453
Speaker 2: they want to. But you've got to say to kids,

1246
01:01:48,053 --> 01:01:49,933
Speaker 2: there is not a better time in the world. There's

1247
01:01:49,973 --> 01:01:51,213
Speaker 2: never been a better time in the world to be

1248
01:01:51,213 --> 01:01:51,893
Speaker 2: born than right now.

1249
01:01:51,973 --> 01:01:52,213
Speaker 4: Yep.

1250
01:01:52,533 --> 01:01:54,573
Speaker 2: I mean generally back in the day for most of

1251
01:01:54,733 --> 01:01:58,213
Speaker 2: history of humanity. You you know, most humans have ever

1252
01:01:58,253 --> 01:01:59,813
Speaker 2: born didn't make it to adulthood.

1253
01:02:00,453 --> 01:02:03,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You put them back in any time period,

1254
01:02:03,333 --> 01:02:05,813
Speaker 3: and I'm sure if you had the opportunity to do that,

1255
01:02:05,853 --> 01:02:07,813
Speaker 3: they'd say, bring me back to twenty twenty six. Please,

1256
01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:08,253
Speaker 3: this suck.

1257
01:02:08,573 --> 01:02:11,813
Speaker 2: So this study that found, was it, sixteen percent thought

1258
01:02:11,813 --> 01:02:14,253
Speaker 2: that they lived in the worst time ever in young people.

1259
01:02:15,013 --> 01:02:17,453
Speaker 3: Come on, Lillian, how are you?

1260
01:02:18,333 --> 01:02:18,453
Speaker 19: Hi?

1261
01:02:18,613 --> 01:02:18,933
Speaker 4: Am good?

1262
01:02:19,013 --> 01:02:19,373
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1263
01:02:19,453 --> 01:02:20,493
Speaker 15: How are you very good?

1264
01:02:20,573 --> 01:02:22,173
Speaker 3: Nice to chat with you. Are you nihilistic?

1265
01:02:22,253 --> 01:02:25,693
Speaker 7: Yeah, Lillian, I don't know what that means.

1266
01:02:25,733 --> 01:02:26,293
Speaker 16: I'm sorry.

1267
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:30,253
Speaker 2: Well, you just think that it's all pointless, there's no

1268
01:02:30,333 --> 01:02:32,173
Speaker 2: good in the world, and there's no point in bothering

1269
01:02:32,253 --> 01:02:33,933
Speaker 2: or trying or having any part of it because it's

1270
01:02:33,973 --> 01:02:37,813
Speaker 2: all just on a terrible downward spiral into extinction.

1271
01:02:38,773 --> 01:02:40,893
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that at all. And I think,

1272
01:02:41,093 --> 01:02:46,613
Speaker 4: like you know, like because like my generation and younger again,

1273
01:02:46,893 --> 01:02:50,413
Speaker 4: we're on technology so much, but that study forty eight hours,

1274
01:02:50,653 --> 01:02:53,253
Speaker 4: that's a bit ridiculous. I mean, I'm not even on

1275
01:02:53,333 --> 01:02:56,573
Speaker 4: that much. But they know that we're looking and feeding

1276
01:02:56,653 --> 01:03:00,013
Speaker 4: and a lot of like teenagers, like I've noticed that,

1277
01:03:00,093 --> 01:03:02,693
Speaker 4: like they won't sort of like go and do their

1278
01:03:02,733 --> 01:03:05,213
Speaker 4: own research. They'll believe what the internet's feeding them.

1279
01:03:05,573 --> 01:03:10,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, is it hard to you know, look

1280
01:03:10,213 --> 01:03:12,453
Speaker 3: at the things that you're fed on TikTok or Instagram

1281
01:03:12,533 --> 01:03:15,453
Speaker 3: or Facebook to look at that from the outside, so

1282
01:03:15,533 --> 01:03:18,373
Speaker 3: to speak. Lilian and saying this is compelling and I'm

1283
01:03:18,373 --> 01:03:21,613
Speaker 3: being fitted on a regular basis, but I need to

1284
01:03:21,773 --> 01:03:24,893
Speaker 3: question the validity of that information because there's a good

1285
01:03:24,973 --> 01:03:26,093
Speaker 3: chance it's just not true.

1286
01:03:27,413 --> 01:03:29,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for me, it just seems like a

1287
01:03:29,653 --> 01:03:33,333
Speaker 4: no brainer. But I think, you know, because things are

1288
01:03:33,373 --> 01:03:36,613
Speaker 4: so hard, like it's hard to know what's true, you know,

1289
01:03:36,773 --> 01:03:39,853
Speaker 4: because like people will take like quotes and things that

1290
01:03:39,933 --> 01:03:43,253
Speaker 4: someone did say that clip it or like AI and

1291
01:03:43,853 --> 01:03:47,413
Speaker 4: things like that, and it's just like, you know, there's

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Speaker 4: just so much. And I also think that like teenagers

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01:03:50,173 --> 01:03:54,893
Speaker 4: now are like so much more like into politics and

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01:03:55,533 --> 01:03:58,173
Speaker 4: aware turn into politics.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're a child, a young person, politics

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01:04:00,813 --> 01:04:03,453
Speaker 2: should be a very small portion of what you're spending

1297
01:04:03,453 --> 01:04:04,293
Speaker 2: your time thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it shouldn't be the fun.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm like, I personally just stay away from it.

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01:04:10,973 --> 01:04:15,093
Speaker 4: But I'm like, you know, you should just enjoy life,

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01:04:15,333 --> 01:04:18,493
Speaker 4: you know. And I think it's also like the whole

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01:04:18,573 --> 01:04:21,013
Speaker 4: social media thing. I mean, I want to talk because

1303
01:04:21,053 --> 01:04:23,293
Speaker 4: I do like to post like photos of this and

1304
01:04:23,413 --> 01:04:25,813
Speaker 4: that and all that that, Like, you know, go to

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01:04:25,933 --> 01:04:29,253
Speaker 4: the river with your friends, do stuff. Don't just be

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01:04:29,613 --> 01:04:34,813
Speaker 4: like texting. A lot of people I know and much

1307
01:04:34,853 --> 01:04:38,093
Speaker 4: younger don't like to talk on the phone, and like

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01:04:38,813 --> 01:04:40,973
Speaker 4: I'll ring them and then they might like just text

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01:04:41,013 --> 01:04:45,133
Speaker 4: back instead. Yeah, I'm like, but you're not learning how

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01:04:45,253 --> 01:04:47,533
Speaker 4: to sort of you know, talk on the phone and

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01:04:47,533 --> 01:04:50,373
Speaker 4: communicate with people and things like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, Now, Lydia, what do you put your you know,

1313
01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:57,693
Speaker 2: healthy attitude towards life down to? You know, what what

1314
01:04:57,933 --> 01:05:00,093
Speaker 2: did you have? Did you did you play sport? Did

1315
01:05:00,173 --> 01:05:02,933
Speaker 2: you you know what were you part of groups when

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01:05:02,973 --> 01:05:06,253
Speaker 2: you're growing up? What's made you this positive kind of person?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm a Christian, so I do have a very

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01:05:10,293 --> 01:05:14,133
Speaker 4: strong faith and belief in Gosh and all that. And

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01:05:14,173 --> 01:05:16,693
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that the world is perfect by all means.

1320
01:05:16,733 --> 01:05:21,573
Speaker 4: But also yeah, like I started doing theater when I

1321
01:05:21,653 --> 01:05:25,813
Speaker 4: was about nineteen, and like I was so flip and shy,

1322
01:05:26,373 --> 01:05:28,933
Speaker 4: you know, and really anxious, but I did theater. They

1323
01:05:28,933 --> 01:05:30,493
Speaker 4: put you in an environment where you sort of have

1324
01:05:30,613 --> 01:05:33,413
Speaker 4: to interact and gets it. And I also had a

1325
01:05:33,413 --> 01:05:36,373
Speaker 4: really good mump who taught me, you know, how to

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01:05:36,413 --> 01:05:38,853
Speaker 4: do stuff and all that. And I think also, like

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like schools could do a

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01:05:42,493 --> 01:05:46,853
Speaker 4: little bit more into giving kids, you know, tools to interact.

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01:05:47,453 --> 01:05:50,613
Speaker 4: You know, like you said before, reading and writing is important,

1330
01:05:50,973 --> 01:05:54,293
Speaker 4: but also so as communicating and being with people.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's somewhat of a spiritual crisis in

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01:05:58,773 --> 01:06:01,853
Speaker 2: young people? I listened to this podcast with Chris Williamson

1333
01:06:01,853 --> 01:06:03,533
Speaker 2: the other day in Modern Wisdom. It's called and he

1334
01:06:03,613 --> 01:06:06,093
Speaker 2: was talking to a Yeah he's this guy that's just

1335
01:06:06,093 --> 01:06:08,453
Speaker 2: wrote back. I think he was a unuroscientist. But anyway,

1336
01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:12,533
Speaker 2: that one of the key parts to happiness in young

1337
01:06:12,533 --> 01:06:14,933
Speaker 2: people now that they see is if they've got some

1338
01:06:15,053 --> 01:06:21,493
Speaker 2: kind of spiritual center to their existence. So do you

1339
01:06:21,533 --> 01:06:24,333
Speaker 2: see people just not having that, not having that whatever

1340
01:06:24,373 --> 01:06:28,093
Speaker 2: that spiritual center is, they don't have it then and

1341
01:06:28,173 --> 01:06:30,853
Speaker 2: that leads to nihilism.

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Speaker 4: I mean it could be. I mean, I can't say

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01:06:33,613 --> 01:06:37,253
Speaker 4: for sure, but I also think it's like, you know,

1344
01:06:37,973 --> 01:06:42,253
Speaker 4: just even connecting like nature, like going outside when it's funny,

1345
01:06:42,253 --> 01:06:44,933
Speaker 4: don't stay in play video games all day and do this.

1346
01:06:45,013 --> 01:06:48,133
Speaker 4: And like parents now they'll give their kids like iPhones,

1347
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:50,973
Speaker 4: And just like in my town, I'll see a bunch

1348
01:06:51,013 --> 01:06:53,333
Speaker 4: of parents walking their babies in their praym with their

1349
01:06:53,373 --> 01:06:55,533
Speaker 4: headphones on. They're not talking to them saying look at

1350
01:06:55,573 --> 01:06:57,653
Speaker 4: the birdie, or look at the true kind of thing?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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01:06:58,453 --> 01:07:00,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you any thoughts about that? You know, the

1353
01:07:00,893 --> 01:07:03,973
Speaker 3: young young men who won in one in four twenty

1354
01:07:03,973 --> 01:07:06,293
Speaker 3: five percent say that they don't have any close friends.

1355
01:07:06,293 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 3: Have you noticed that with your I mean it sounds

1356
01:07:08,893 --> 01:07:10,813
Speaker 3: like an oxymoron, but with your friend group. Have you

1357
01:07:10,893 --> 01:07:12,653
Speaker 3: noticed it with young men you associate with?

1358
01:07:15,453 --> 01:07:19,293
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably not that that is shocking statistic,

1359
01:07:19,573 --> 01:07:22,733
Speaker 4: And like two of my closest friends are guys.

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Speaker 17: I hope I'm.

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01:07:23,453 --> 01:07:29,213
Speaker 4: There, but that I think also, like you know, being

1362
01:07:29,213 --> 01:07:32,093
Speaker 4: a young woman as well, like you're so much more

1363
01:07:32,133 --> 01:07:35,933
Speaker 4: aware of keeping yourself safe that I think sometimes it

1364
01:07:35,973 --> 01:07:39,493
Speaker 4: could consume you, especially if you've had a near encounter

1365
01:07:39,813 --> 01:07:42,173
Speaker 4: or a mishap or something something that's made you not

1366
01:07:42,213 --> 01:07:46,453
Speaker 4: trust men in the past that is ripped. And there's

1367
01:07:46,533 --> 01:07:48,933
Speaker 4: just so much out there. And also, like you know,

1368
01:07:49,493 --> 01:07:52,133
Speaker 4: the whole feminist movement, like you guys were saying before,

1369
01:07:52,133 --> 01:07:56,373
Speaker 4: the feminist movement has become men suck. Well, no, not

1370
01:07:56,453 --> 01:07:59,293
Speaker 4: all of them do. You do have to keep yourself safe,

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01:07:59,373 --> 01:08:01,853
Speaker 4: but not all men are bad. I think there's a

1372
01:08:01,893 --> 01:08:04,853
Speaker 4: little bit of a confusion, a blurred line, if you.

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01:08:04,853 --> 01:08:06,053
Speaker 7: Will, with that.

1374
01:08:06,493 --> 01:08:09,613
Speaker 4: And I think maybe guys feel like, well, everyone thinks

1375
01:08:09,893 --> 01:08:13,253
Speaker 4: I'm dangerous or and they might they might not be,

1376
01:08:13,373 --> 01:08:16,893
Speaker 4: you know, Like, I think there's just so much information

1377
01:08:16,973 --> 01:08:19,572
Speaker 4: that you know, women have to be safe and you

1378
01:08:19,613 --> 01:08:21,333
Speaker 4: have to do this and do that as well, and

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01:08:21,372 --> 01:08:23,572
Speaker 4: I think that that would have an impact on the

1380
01:08:23,572 --> 01:08:27,252
Speaker 4: guys making them feel like, well, I can't have any friends,

1381
01:08:27,973 --> 01:08:30,293
Speaker 4: or even if they're trying to make friends with another guy,

1382
01:08:30,412 --> 01:08:33,652
Speaker 4: people might I don't know, be mean and say, oh,

1383
01:08:33,692 --> 01:08:36,173
Speaker 4: well you go or what you know. I don't know. Like,

1384
01:08:37,692 --> 01:08:40,492
Speaker 4: I think there's just a lot out there that people

1385
01:08:40,572 --> 01:08:43,492
Speaker 4: need to just go, hey, listen to my intuition, act

1386
01:08:43,532 --> 01:08:45,972
Speaker 4: on it. If something actually does happen or it's bad,

1387
01:08:46,093 --> 01:08:50,773
Speaker 4: but like you know, don't blindly trust everybody. Be cautious,

1388
01:08:50,812 --> 01:08:53,133
Speaker 4: but don't be like all men are bad kind of thing.

1389
01:08:54,133 --> 01:08:57,852
Speaker 2: Did you do you do anything to limit your online time?

1390
01:08:58,013 --> 01:09:00,173
Speaker 2: How much time you're on screens? Lilian?

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01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:04,293
Speaker 4: I do I notice if I've been like if I've

1392
01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:06,372
Speaker 4: watched like two movies, I'll go, oh, I need to

1393
01:09:06,412 --> 01:09:09,452
Speaker 4: go outside, or I love I also love to read,

1394
01:09:09,612 --> 01:09:13,333
Speaker 4: so I'll read books. I'll try and get out and

1395
01:09:13,532 --> 01:09:16,173
Speaker 4: do things. I think it's just, you know, like the

1396
01:09:16,213 --> 01:09:19,092
Speaker 4: isolation thing. If you're in your house all the time,

1397
01:09:20,093 --> 01:09:22,572
Speaker 4: it's not good for you and you're not getting out there.

1398
01:09:22,853 --> 01:09:24,892
Speaker 4: Or if you're talking to people online, you're not having

1399
01:09:24,933 --> 01:09:27,173
Speaker 4: that face to face interaction kind of like you guys

1400
01:09:27,213 --> 01:09:29,612
Speaker 4: are saying earlier with the post office thing. You know,

1401
01:09:30,173 --> 01:09:37,253
Speaker 4: people need face to face interaction, you know, with other humans.

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01:09:38,213 --> 01:09:40,732
Speaker 3: Lilian, it sounds like you've got a great mum and

1403
01:09:40,772 --> 01:09:42,652
Speaker 3: you've been raised right and you're doing all the good things.

1404
01:09:42,652 --> 01:09:45,333
Speaker 3: But really appreciate your thoughts and coming on and having

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01:09:45,532 --> 01:09:48,052
Speaker 3: a chat with us. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:09:48,053 --> 01:09:49,612
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Love your thoughts on this

1407
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:52,213
Speaker 3: as well. Nine two ninety two is the text number

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Speaker 3: back very shortly. It is sixteen to three. Have a

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01:09:56,293 --> 01:09:56,772
Speaker 3: chat with the.

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Speaker 1: Lads on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, mad Heathan

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01:09:59,933 --> 01:10:02,253
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. We are having

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Speaker 3: a discussion about a report done by Outwood found the

1414
01:10:08,933 --> 01:10:12,852
Speaker 3: Education outdoor Education organization about young people, many of them

1415
01:10:12,853 --> 01:10:15,012
Speaker 3: are nihilistic and lonely. So can you get your thoughts

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01:10:15,053 --> 01:10:17,253
Speaker 3: on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:10:18,053 --> 01:10:19,333
Speaker 2: Gabriel, Welcome to the show.

1418
01:10:20,013 --> 01:10:21,852
Speaker 19: Yeah good, I'm going to make entire Thanks for having.

1419
01:10:21,692 --> 01:10:23,253
Speaker 3: Me on, Thanks for giving us a buzz.

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01:10:23,532 --> 01:10:26,372
Speaker 2: So you you're how old are you? If you don't

1421
01:10:26,412 --> 01:10:26,812
Speaker 2: mind me ours?

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01:10:27,692 --> 01:10:30,093
Speaker 19: Yeah, no, Norries, I'm so. I'm twenty years of age

1423
01:10:30,173 --> 01:10:32,372
Speaker 19: right now. So I'm yeah pretty. I feel like it

1424
01:10:32,412 --> 01:10:35,613
Speaker 19: can kind of relate to this topic for sure.

1425
01:10:35,452 --> 01:10:37,572
Speaker 2: You're right in the zone of the young people they're

1426
01:10:37,612 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 2: talking about. So do you feel nihilistic about the world, Gabriel.

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01:10:43,612 --> 01:10:46,053
Speaker 19: It's a bit, it's a little, it's a bit off

1428
01:10:46,053 --> 01:10:48,852
Speaker 19: and on. I guess when like big major events happened.

1429
01:10:48,933 --> 01:10:51,292
Speaker 19: I think like it's a big war just got announced.

1430
01:10:51,412 --> 01:10:54,732
Speaker 19: Definitely going to that mindset of I think, yes, like

1431
01:10:54,853 --> 01:10:56,852
Speaker 19: looking the world that's kind of looking pretty bad right now,

1432
01:10:56,893 --> 01:11:00,253
Speaker 19: but then I'm when I get a good opportunity, I guess,

1433
01:11:00,293 --> 01:11:02,532
Speaker 19: just in life, just with my work and stuff, I

1434
01:11:02,572 --> 01:11:04,173
Speaker 19: feel like he's like, oh no, the works actually really

1435
01:11:04,213 --> 01:11:05,892
Speaker 19: really good. So I think it kind of goes in

1436
01:11:05,933 --> 01:11:08,213
Speaker 19: and out of positive negatives, but I think consistently I'm

1437
01:11:08,372 --> 01:11:10,732
Speaker 19: any kind of neutral, but I still want to, yeah,

1438
01:11:10,772 --> 01:11:12,173
Speaker 19: to kind of take a whole my whole life and

1439
01:11:12,732 --> 01:11:14,692
Speaker 19: get drowned by a get negative city.

1440
01:11:14,732 --> 01:11:16,732
Speaker 2: I guess, do you feel like you've got agency to

1441
01:11:16,812 --> 01:11:19,652
Speaker 2: change your life if if you put effort in and

1442
01:11:20,213 --> 01:11:22,772
Speaker 2: be a good person and work hard, that you can

1443
01:11:22,893 --> 01:11:24,133
Speaker 2: make your world a better place.

1444
01:11:25,133 --> 01:11:27,772
Speaker 19: Yeah, definitely. I mean that's kind of also kind of

1445
01:11:27,812 --> 01:11:30,812
Speaker 19: what I called about about losing friends. I'm kind of

1446
01:11:30,812 --> 01:11:35,132
Speaker 19: protesting work because what I kind of did was studied

1447
01:11:35,173 --> 01:11:37,012
Speaker 19: really hard at school and I didn't really make those

1448
01:11:37,412 --> 01:11:40,772
Speaker 19: big connections in terms of my friends, and I just

1449
01:11:40,853 --> 01:11:43,732
Speaker 19: kind of committed to work and I got to a

1450
01:11:43,772 --> 01:11:46,213
Speaker 19: really good point in my life right now, but it's

1451
01:11:46,293 --> 01:11:48,933
Speaker 19: kind of gone the opposite direction in terms of I

1452
01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:52,972
Speaker 19: don't really have anybody to kind of hang out with. Yeah,

1453
01:11:53,013 --> 01:11:55,852
Speaker 19: which is I guess it's a little bit struggle. But yeah,

1454
01:11:55,893 --> 01:11:58,612
Speaker 19: I guess I've kind of made their decision to kind

1455
01:11:58,612 --> 01:12:00,412
Speaker 19: of prioritise work. But I know it's never too late

1456
01:12:00,452 --> 01:12:02,892
Speaker 19: to make friends. Yeah, definitely.

1457
01:12:02,973 --> 01:12:05,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, So are you making active efforts to make friends?

1458
01:12:05,973 --> 01:12:08,572
Speaker 2: Because you know, the obviously the best way to make

1459
01:12:08,652 --> 01:12:10,973
Speaker 2: friends is to put yourself in a position where you

1460
01:12:11,692 --> 01:12:13,892
Speaker 2: meet people, which is getting harder and harder. We're talking

1461
01:12:13,893 --> 01:12:17,213
Speaker 2: about those third spaces that you know that the CEO

1462
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:19,253
Speaker 2: of Old Band was saying that the Internet isn't the

1463
01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:22,933
Speaker 2: third space. These third spaces, these clubs, you know it

1464
01:12:23,013 --> 01:12:26,812
Speaker 2: used to be sports clubs or or whatever. Do you

1465
01:12:27,053 --> 01:12:29,812
Speaker 2: make an effort to find places to meet people?

1466
01:12:30,412 --> 01:12:32,253
Speaker 15: Gabriel, Yeah, definitely.

1467
01:12:32,492 --> 01:12:34,213
Speaker 19: Well it's a bit of a bit of a triggery

1468
01:12:34,253 --> 01:12:38,053
Speaker 19: standpoint because I was previously a Christian before, and I've

1469
01:12:38,053 --> 01:12:40,293
Speaker 19: got a Christian family and so they're really involved in

1470
01:12:40,293 --> 01:12:43,492
Speaker 19: the church that and I did go to Christian Scores also,

1471
01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:45,772
Speaker 19: there's quite a lot of faith in that. But since

1472
01:12:45,772 --> 01:12:48,333
Speaker 19: I moved away from that, that's quite a hard thing

1473
01:12:48,372 --> 01:12:51,892
Speaker 19: to kind of get back into. And I don't really

1474
01:12:51,973 --> 01:12:54,253
Speaker 19: I'm not a big sorry, it's just not the thing

1475
01:12:54,253 --> 01:12:54,612
Speaker 19: you goes like.

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01:12:54,612 --> 01:12:54,852
Speaker 5: I don't.

1477
01:12:54,853 --> 01:12:57,492
Speaker 19: I'm not a big fand of like bars or clubs

1478
01:12:57,532 --> 01:13:00,173
Speaker 19: or anything. I don't think that it's not for me really,

1479
01:13:00,412 --> 01:13:02,492
Speaker 19: So I try to go through sports differently, like through

1480
01:13:02,492 --> 01:13:04,812
Speaker 19: golf or tennis for sure.

1481
01:13:04,893 --> 01:13:07,892
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well that's interesting one. Because you pick sort

1482
01:13:07,893 --> 01:13:12,532
Speaker 2: of non team sports you can meet people that you

1483
01:13:12,572 --> 01:13:14,492
Speaker 2: can meet people being part of the class. That's a

1484
01:13:14,492 --> 01:13:15,333
Speaker 2: great way to meet people.

1485
01:13:15,372 --> 01:13:18,333
Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah, do you find yourself I mean maybe this

1486
01:13:18,452 --> 01:13:21,093
Speaker 3: is this is a broad statement for younger people, Gabrielle,

1487
01:13:21,093 --> 01:13:24,013
Speaker 3: but is it hard for you to put yourself in

1488
01:13:24,093 --> 01:13:27,652
Speaker 3: those social situations that may end up being a little

1489
01:13:27,652 --> 01:13:30,452
Speaker 3: bit uncomfortable that they are important to actually meet people

1490
01:13:30,452 --> 01:13:32,892
Speaker 3: and to build up friendships and to to build those

1491
01:13:32,893 --> 01:13:36,333
Speaker 3: social skills. I say that that you know, obviously with

1492
01:13:36,333 --> 01:13:40,612
Speaker 3: with the internet, you've got sort of a facsimilar of

1493
01:13:40,652 --> 01:13:43,932
Speaker 3: connection with anybody that you want. But whether that means

1494
01:13:43,973 --> 01:13:47,173
Speaker 3: that instead of putting yourself into into an uncomfortable position

1495
01:13:47,253 --> 01:13:49,492
Speaker 3: to make friends, a lot of young guys just don't

1496
01:13:49,492 --> 01:13:49,812
Speaker 3: do that.

1497
01:13:50,772 --> 01:13:53,412
Speaker 19: Yeah, definitely, I think yeah, there's definitely definitely a huge

1498
01:13:53,973 --> 01:13:58,293
Speaker 19: or you said one out of four, Yeah, don't. I

1499
01:13:58,293 --> 01:14:01,173
Speaker 19: guess socialize like I guess in a way that's quite

1500
01:14:01,173 --> 01:14:04,372
Speaker 19: comfortable for them. For myself, I feel like I'm pretty

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01:14:04,973 --> 01:14:07,772
Speaker 19: I'm pretty good in terms of like interaguing with just people,

1502
01:14:07,853 --> 01:14:10,213
Speaker 19: like going to the BP and just saying like, oh, hey,

1503
01:14:10,213 --> 01:14:12,732
Speaker 19: hell's going stuff. Yeah, but it's definitely hard to count

1504
01:14:12,732 --> 01:14:16,612
Speaker 19: and get those really foundational friendships. Yeah, but I do.

1505
01:14:16,732 --> 01:14:19,013
Speaker 19: I do. It's not like I'm fully alone in my

1506
01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:23,253
Speaker 19: own world. It's it's just, yeah, I can't really I

1507
01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:25,213
Speaker 19: don't know how to explained. It's kind of like no

1508
01:14:25,253 --> 01:14:28,093
Speaker 19: one kind of reaches out to me and they're asking like, oh,

1509
01:14:28,133 --> 01:14:29,652
Speaker 19: do you want to hang? I'm not sure if that's

1510
01:14:29,692 --> 01:14:31,572
Speaker 19: my personally, I'm not sure. I might, I might not

1511
01:14:31,652 --> 01:14:33,812
Speaker 19: be a good friend. I'm not sure. But I try

1512
01:14:33,812 --> 01:14:37,093
Speaker 19: and be aware of my surroundings and get try to

1513
01:14:37,133 --> 01:14:39,692
Speaker 19: be a good person. I guess in this well, yeah, yeah.

1514
01:14:39,492 --> 01:14:41,253
Speaker 2: You seem like a good person. You said that you're

1515
01:14:42,492 --> 01:14:45,732
Speaker 2: you know that you you had been, you know, a Christian,

1516
01:14:45,812 --> 01:14:48,213
Speaker 2: but you moved away from it. But your family remains Christians.

1517
01:14:48,213 --> 01:14:50,812
Speaker 2: You still are you still strongly connected with your family?

1518
01:14:51,732 --> 01:14:54,133
Speaker 19: Yes, yeah, definitely, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the cool thing.

1519
01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:56,572
Speaker 19: It was a little bit rough in the beginning of course,

1520
01:14:56,612 --> 01:15:00,092
Speaker 19: because it's like not not a victim, I was blaming anything,

1521
01:15:00,093 --> 01:15:03,853
Speaker 19: but like, yeah, definitely, I grew up with a single mom,

1522
01:15:04,093 --> 01:15:06,133
Speaker 19: which is and five. I've got four foot wings as well,

1523
01:15:06,173 --> 01:15:10,293
Speaker 19: so we're pretty tightly knit after that aftermath. But definitely

1524
01:15:10,293 --> 01:15:13,133
Speaker 19: it's a little bit rough than my mum. But I'm like, yeah,

1525
01:15:13,133 --> 01:15:16,253
Speaker 19: we're definitely okay now, and I can see them every

1526
01:15:16,253 --> 01:15:19,013
Speaker 19: week as well as my siblings is also, yeah, there

1527
01:15:19,173 --> 01:15:21,772
Speaker 19: have been more. I'm the middle child, so I can

1528
01:15:21,853 --> 01:15:24,372
Speaker 19: kind of relate to my little brothers and sisters and

1529
01:15:24,412 --> 01:15:27,013
Speaker 19: then my older brothers sister as well. So yeah, it's

1530
01:15:27,053 --> 01:15:28,492
Speaker 19: pretty good family relations.

1531
01:15:28,532 --> 01:15:30,572
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Oh, thank you so much for talking to us.

1532
01:15:30,612 --> 01:15:31,532
Speaker 3: What a smart young guy.

1533
01:15:31,612 --> 01:15:32,892
Speaker 2: You seem like the kind of guy I'd like to

1534
01:15:32,893 --> 01:15:35,253
Speaker 2: spend time talking to. That was a great little conversation.

1535
01:15:35,452 --> 01:15:39,333
Speaker 2: So all the best for you. Positive outlook, yep. Awareness

1536
01:15:39,412 --> 01:15:43,652
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, get out there and made some golf, put

1537
01:15:43,692 --> 01:15:46,252
Speaker 2: yourself in places where you can you can make connections.

1538
01:15:46,293 --> 01:15:48,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Gabrielle, thanks very much for having a chat

1539
01:15:48,652 --> 01:15:50,612
Speaker 3: with us. Really enjoyed that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1540
01:15:50,692 --> 01:15:52,892
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It is eight minutes,

1541
01:15:52,893 --> 01:15:54,173
Speaker 3: two three.

1542
01:15:54,452 --> 01:15:56,892
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1543
01:15:56,933 --> 01:15:59,252
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1544
01:15:59,293 --> 01:16:03,812
Speaker 3: Afternoons, news talks 'd be news talks. It'd be very good. Afternoon.

1545
01:16:04,053 --> 01:16:06,412
Speaker 3: It is five minutes to three.

1546
01:16:06,933 --> 01:16:09,772
Speaker 2: So Gabrielle getting a lot of positive feedback for a

1547
01:16:09,772 --> 01:16:13,173
Speaker 2: guy that's, you know, obviously striking a little bit to

1548
01:16:13,492 --> 01:16:15,973
Speaker 2: find connections, but it seems to be okay in his

1549
01:16:16,013 --> 01:16:18,972
Speaker 2: own skin. But I've got to say a huge amount

1550
01:16:19,013 --> 01:16:21,372
Speaker 2: of texts coming through like this one. Your current caller,

1551
01:16:21,452 --> 01:16:24,812
Speaker 2: Gabrielle is an amazing person. What a lovely person. This

1552
01:16:24,973 --> 01:16:26,652
Speaker 2: text says, what a top guy.

1553
01:16:26,853 --> 01:16:29,892
Speaker 3: I concur you just texts.

1554
01:16:30,093 --> 01:16:32,333
Speaker 2: Young guys with no friends come on gum boot rally.

1555
01:16:32,452 --> 01:16:35,372
Speaker 2: We raise money for charity and all odd balls come

1556
01:16:35,452 --> 01:16:39,612
Speaker 2: be weird with us. It's from gatoro Gata. I mean,

1557
01:16:39,692 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 2: that is absolutely if you can. And I know it's

1558
01:16:42,452 --> 01:16:45,652
Speaker 2: one of those trite things that people say to depress

1559
01:16:45,732 --> 01:16:49,293
Speaker 2: people or nihilistic people that you have to make your

1560
01:16:49,293 --> 01:16:50,812
Speaker 2: life better, you have to go out and do something,

1561
01:16:50,853 --> 01:16:53,772
Speaker 2: which is the hardest thing for them to do. So

1562
01:16:53,812 --> 01:16:56,732
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, yeah, I get it, but you know,

1563
01:16:57,213 --> 01:17:00,652
Speaker 2: joining a charity, joining anything, finding anything you can join,

1564
01:17:01,532 --> 01:17:07,253
Speaker 2: you know, church, charity, sports club, any any group of

1565
01:17:07,253 --> 01:17:10,093
Speaker 2: people that you can join and find a community will

1566
01:17:10,093 --> 01:17:10,812
Speaker 2: make your life.

1567
01:17:10,652 --> 01:17:13,173
Speaker 3: Better, absolutely, And it might be uncomfortable, and it will

1568
01:17:13,213 --> 01:17:14,933
Speaker 3: be for a lot of young men, no doubt about it,

1569
01:17:14,933 --> 01:17:18,093
Speaker 3: when they can find that connection to far lesser extent online.

1570
01:17:18,173 --> 01:17:19,732
Speaker 3: But it's what we all had to do growing up, right,

1571
01:17:19,772 --> 01:17:22,933
Speaker 3: We had to put ourselves in those uncomfortable situations to

1572
01:17:23,253 --> 01:17:26,293
Speaker 3: form friendships. It's just easier not to do that these days.

1573
01:17:26,492 --> 01:17:29,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's easier not to do it,

1574
01:17:29,652 --> 01:17:32,652
Speaker 2: but terrible for you, yes, yeah, yeah, And we've talked

1575
01:17:32,652 --> 01:17:33,973
Speaker 2: about this on the show before. It used to be

1576
01:17:33,973 --> 01:17:36,772
Speaker 2: really really hard to have your stef have to ring up.

1577
01:17:36,853 --> 01:17:38,772
Speaker 2: If you wanted a girlfriend, you had to ring her

1578
01:17:38,812 --> 01:17:40,652
Speaker 2: on the phone or approach her at the bus stop.

1579
01:17:40,732 --> 01:17:43,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, the most terrifying thing any young men, keep man

1580
01:17:43,173 --> 01:17:45,412
Speaker 3: can go through. We're going to carry this song because

1581
01:17:45,412 --> 01:17:46,612
Speaker 3: so many people want to have a chat about this,

1582
01:17:46,652 --> 01:17:47,973
Speaker 3: and I'd love to hear from you as well. Oh

1583
01:17:47,973 --> 01:17:50,532
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you want to send

1584
01:17:50,572 --> 01:17:53,333
Speaker 3: a text. Nine two ninety two is that number?

1585
01:17:53,973 --> 01:17:56,053
Speaker 2: Lee is giving us crap saying that we've got bro

1586
01:17:56,213 --> 01:17:58,572
Speaker 2: tinted spectacles on.

1587
01:17:58,612 --> 01:18:01,333
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with brotinted spectacles, not even know what that is?

1588
01:18:01,933 --> 01:18:05,772
Speaker 3: Do support weather fast approaching what's wrong with pros? Stay

1589
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:07,532
Speaker 3: right here, We will be back very shortly.

1590
01:18:13,173 --> 01:18:17,452
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1591
01:18:17,692 --> 01:18:21,052
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1592
01:18:20,893 --> 01:18:24,492
Speaker 3: Sebby six past three. Welcome back into the show. So

1593
01:18:24,532 --> 01:18:27,572
Speaker 3: we're talking about this new report by Outdoor Education and

1594
01:18:27,652 --> 01:18:30,692
Speaker 3: charity Outward Boundites revealed New Zealand's young people are grampling

1595
01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:34,492
Speaker 3: with nihilism, loss of personal agency and stark isolation. A

1596
01:18:34,572 --> 01:18:37,293
Speaker 3: couple of the key facts in here or the key headlines.

1597
01:18:37,333 --> 01:18:40,133
Speaker 3: Fifty seven percent of young people believe the world is

1598
01:18:40,133 --> 01:18:43,173
Speaker 3: on a downward sp spiral sixteen, stating it's the worst

1599
01:18:43,173 --> 01:18:43,932
Speaker 3: it's ever been.

1600
01:18:43,933 --> 01:18:46,372
Speaker 2: That that one shocks me. If you think that the

1601
01:18:46,372 --> 01:18:48,932
Speaker 2: world is the worst it's ever been, then you have

1602
01:18:49,572 --> 01:18:54,772
Speaker 2: absolutely no knowledge of history. Yeah, no awareness of anything.

1603
01:18:54,812 --> 01:18:57,053
Speaker 2: That is such an odd way to lock and you've

1604
01:18:57,093 --> 01:18:59,093
Speaker 2: got us. What are the people around you saying? What

1605
01:18:59,133 --> 01:19:01,732
Speaker 2: are you being fed that you could possibly think in

1606
01:19:01,732 --> 01:19:05,572
Speaker 2: this time of no starvation with a roof over your head?

1607
01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:08,772
Speaker 3: Yep, cops resources for you New Zealand.

1608
01:19:08,933 --> 01:19:13,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just read even history for thirty seconds

1609
01:19:13,933 --> 01:19:15,173
Speaker 2: and you would know that you would live in one

1610
01:19:15,213 --> 01:19:18,093
Speaker 2: of the easiest times ever for human beings. No, you

1611
01:19:18,173 --> 01:19:20,093
Speaker 2: live in the easiest time it's ever been.

1612
01:19:20,253 --> 01:19:22,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be a young person, sixteen percent one and

1613
01:19:22,933 --> 01:19:25,772
Speaker 3: six people are over one quarter. Twenty six percent of

1614
01:19:25,812 --> 01:19:29,013
Speaker 3: young people report having little to no confidence in their

1615
01:19:29,053 --> 01:19:32,372
Speaker 3: ability to change themselves for the better, which is heartbreaking,

1616
01:19:32,452 --> 01:19:35,892
Speaker 3: and one in four young men report having zero zero

1617
01:19:36,093 --> 01:19:36,812
Speaker 3: close friends.

1618
01:19:37,772 --> 01:19:39,372
Speaker 2: This is an intertue on Sixty five percent believe the

1619
01:19:39,372 --> 01:19:41,972
Speaker 2: world would have been better if social media had never existed.

1620
01:19:42,492 --> 01:19:44,692
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. They know that it's bad, but

1621
01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:47,093
Speaker 2: they're still on it because it's so addictive. Yeah, and

1622
01:19:47,093 --> 01:19:49,692
Speaker 2: also there's no other options. That's the thing. You jumped

1623
01:19:49,692 --> 01:19:51,333
Speaker 2: off social media. I mean there is other options, But

1624
01:19:51,412 --> 01:19:53,333
Speaker 2: jumping off social media is pretty hard for a young person,

1625
01:19:53,372 --> 01:19:53,652
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1626
01:19:53,853 --> 01:19:55,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, You've got to swam against the current of your.

1627
01:19:55,532 --> 01:19:58,453
Speaker 2: Frey isolated and then you're completely isolated.

1628
01:19:58,732 --> 01:20:01,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So we are taking your calls on this.

1629
01:20:01,452 --> 01:20:05,213
Speaker 3: What do we do about this apparent nihilism and person

1630
01:20:05,372 --> 01:20:07,612
Speaker 3: a loss of personal agency with the young people if

1631
01:20:07,612 --> 01:20:09,572
Speaker 3: you're a parent, how have you dealt with this?

1632
01:20:09,853 --> 01:20:12,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're a young person you're feeling nihilism,

1633
01:20:12,293 --> 01:20:14,572
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear from you. Or if you're a

1634
01:20:14,572 --> 01:20:17,812
Speaker 2: young person and you're not feeling nihilistic, we'd love to

1635
01:20:17,812 --> 01:20:19,973
Speaker 2: hear from you. We should probably get a definition of

1636
01:20:20,013 --> 01:20:21,173
Speaker 2: nihilism in there, shouldn't we?

1637
01:20:21,532 --> 01:20:25,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is the definition of nihilism? Nothing matters? It's

1638
01:20:25,013 --> 01:20:27,652
Speaker 3: all going to how nothing will change?

1639
01:20:27,933 --> 01:20:33,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know what. It's a philosophical viewpoint.

1640
01:20:33,732 --> 01:20:38,452
Speaker 2: You're basically rejecting, rejecting accepted and fundamental aspects of human existence,

1641
01:20:38,492 --> 01:20:42,652
Speaker 2: such as truth, knowledge, and morality values. Meaning you're basically

1642
01:20:42,692 --> 01:20:45,892
Speaker 2: saying there's absolutely nothing at all. From the Latin word

1643
01:20:46,293 --> 01:20:50,172
Speaker 2: nihil which means nothing, so you basically say there's nothing.

1644
01:20:50,213 --> 01:20:56,052
Speaker 2: It's extreme pessimism, skepticism, a lack of purpose. You see

1645
01:20:56,173 --> 01:20:58,492
Speaker 2: that there's no point in even trying because you can't

1646
01:20:58,492 --> 01:21:00,253
Speaker 2: make the world better, and even if you did make

1647
01:21:00,253 --> 01:21:01,333
Speaker 2: the world better, who cares.

1648
01:21:01,492 --> 01:21:02,693
Speaker 3: That's a heavy mentality.

1649
01:21:03,173 --> 01:21:07,732
Speaker 2: It's something that's heavily promoted nowadays, you know, with extinctionalism

1650
01:21:08,093 --> 01:21:10,892
Speaker 2: and the idea and the sort of anti family view

1651
01:21:11,013 --> 01:21:14,652
Speaker 2: of everything. You can see why there's sixteen percent of

1652
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:16,692
Speaker 2: these kids are that nihilistic?

1653
01:21:16,812 --> 01:21:18,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1654
01:21:18,973 --> 01:21:21,452
Speaker 3: number to call, Chris, How are you doing this afternoon?

1655
01:21:22,412 --> 01:21:22,532
Speaker 7: Good?

1656
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:25,933
Speaker 20: Hey, good ay boys. Hey, look, I think this is

1657
01:21:25,973 --> 01:21:30,213
Speaker 20: where good parenting matters. Like if your kid hides in

1658
01:21:30,213 --> 01:21:33,973
Speaker 20: the room alone on the video games, how's on end?

1659
01:21:34,692 --> 01:21:38,812
Speaker 20: Not talking well with family, not sharing the meal at

1660
01:21:38,853 --> 01:21:42,372
Speaker 20: the table, playing the video games. You know, that's where

1661
01:21:42,372 --> 01:21:48,812
Speaker 20: they're socially isolating themselves. I would like to think that

1662
01:21:49,093 --> 01:21:52,372
Speaker 20: parents could see this and then therefore say, nope, you're

1663
01:21:52,372 --> 01:21:54,412
Speaker 20: going to go play a sport and use your body

1664
01:21:54,412 --> 01:21:57,812
Speaker 20: and burn off some energy. Don't play cricket, softball, rugby,

1665
01:21:58,412 --> 01:22:03,412
Speaker 20: what league whatever, netball, and get involved because then you're

1666
01:22:03,452 --> 01:22:06,772
Speaker 20: in a team. You're not necessarily friends with anyone on

1667
01:22:06,812 --> 01:22:08,772
Speaker 20: a team, but you've got the chance to make a

1668
01:22:08,772 --> 01:22:14,093
Speaker 20: social contact outside of your school. And if you have

1669
01:22:14,253 --> 01:22:18,772
Speaker 20: been at your school not very popular, struggling for friends,

1670
01:22:19,133 --> 01:22:22,492
Speaker 20: that kid playing that sport they still have to react

1671
01:22:22,572 --> 01:22:27,972
Speaker 20: with the other children in that sports team and get along.

1672
01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:29,972
Speaker 20: They're going to train, they've got to do their thing,

1673
01:22:30,812 --> 01:22:37,812
Speaker 20: and you know, it's just it's the parents need to

1674
01:22:37,853 --> 01:22:41,452
Speaker 20: see their own children for what they are. I've got

1675
01:22:41,492 --> 01:22:44,932
Speaker 20: two types of friends, one very good with his children,

1676
01:22:46,093 --> 01:22:50,892
Speaker 20: not very good with his child, and you know, I'll

1677
01:22:50,933 --> 01:22:54,973
Speaker 20: stay out of that. But like the idea is you

1678
01:22:55,053 --> 01:22:58,852
Speaker 20: put the kids into sport or like cub Scouts or

1679
01:22:59,372 --> 01:23:04,812
Speaker 20: adventurers or girl guides for example, get them out there,

1680
01:23:05,133 --> 01:23:08,972
Speaker 20: make them associate with other people, having to do things,

1681
01:23:09,133 --> 01:23:12,892
Speaker 20: fundraised money for a cause. These types of things teach

1682
01:23:13,013 --> 01:23:20,892
Speaker 20: them that there's a reward for doing something. Because a

1683
01:23:20,893 --> 01:23:23,572
Speaker 20: lot of people can just sit inside and play video game.

1684
01:23:24,093 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 20: They are socially isolated and then they get depressions and

1685
01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:28,893
Speaker 20: then they are a burden on the state.

1686
01:23:30,452 --> 01:23:32,932
Speaker 2: That are I think I think Professor Scott Galloway, who's

1687
01:23:32,973 --> 01:23:35,732
Speaker 2: an American Internet all said it best when he said

1688
01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:41,932
Speaker 2: the anxiety and depression that you'll get from not facing

1689
01:23:41,973 --> 01:23:46,452
Speaker 2: your social anxieties early on is so much worse facing

1690
01:23:46,492 --> 01:23:48,412
Speaker 2: the anxiety of spending, you know, going out and reaching

1691
01:23:48,452 --> 01:23:51,492
Speaker 2: other people. That is nothing on the anxiety that you're

1692
01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:53,333
Speaker 2: given back by isolating yourself.

1693
01:23:55,213 --> 01:23:58,532
Speaker 20: Absolutely. So another point, like you know, when I was

1694
01:23:59,173 --> 01:24:01,852
Speaker 20: I loved to play Videtians, but I also played rugby

1695
01:24:01,933 --> 01:24:06,492
Speaker 20: and the Kurgan Southern and I was good compared to

1696
01:24:06,532 --> 01:24:10,053
Speaker 20: a lot of other people that I went out tried.

1697
01:24:10,173 --> 01:24:10,452
Speaker 18: M M.

1698
01:24:10,532 --> 01:24:15,492
Speaker 20: So the idea that just because I'm not going to

1699
01:24:15,532 --> 01:24:18,772
Speaker 20: play for the All Blacks doesn't mean I shouldn't play

1700
01:24:18,853 --> 01:24:22,173
Speaker 20: rugby like that. That that's not the way of the world.

1701
01:24:22,213 --> 01:24:26,492
Speaker 20: It's like you just do you, but someone should back

1702
01:24:26,572 --> 01:24:29,492
Speaker 20: you know, hey, go and play club rugby.

1703
01:24:29,853 --> 01:24:31,093
Speaker 1: So you have to.

1704
01:24:31,452 --> 01:24:36,053
Speaker 20: I'm your dad and you have to play a sport.

1705
01:24:38,013 --> 01:24:38,253
Speaker 7: Else.

1706
01:24:41,412 --> 01:24:44,972
Speaker 20: I cartlage that day, all.

1707
01:24:44,933 --> 01:24:50,692
Speaker 2: Right, But then thank you for thank you for Chris.

1708
01:24:50,772 --> 01:24:51,653
Speaker 2: We appreciate.

1709
01:24:53,933 --> 01:24:57,852
Speaker 20: The idea that a pearents shouldn't just let their kids

1710
01:24:57,973 --> 01:25:01,532
Speaker 20: sit on their bum and do nothing. No, it's your

1711
01:25:01,772 --> 01:25:05,173
Speaker 20: job to make sure like my parents did that, I

1712
01:25:05,293 --> 01:25:09,452
Speaker 20: did as much as I could because that's led me

1713
01:25:09,572 --> 01:25:13,253
Speaker 20: to having a good attitude towards life. It only sucks

1714
01:25:13,853 --> 01:25:14,932
Speaker 20: if you let it suck.

1715
01:25:15,692 --> 01:25:15,892
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1716
01:25:16,452 --> 01:25:19,133
Speaker 3: Do you think that was easier back when you were younger?

1717
01:25:19,213 --> 01:25:19,333
Speaker 7: Chris?

1718
01:25:19,412 --> 01:25:22,173
Speaker 3: Certainly was when I was because it wasn't really it

1719
01:25:22,333 --> 01:25:25,253
Speaker 3: was more socially acceptable to being a sports team than

1720
01:25:25,293 --> 01:25:26,812
Speaker 3: it was to not being a sports team. And I

1721
01:25:26,893 --> 01:25:30,093
Speaker 3: think that's kind of flipped around now that when it

1722
01:25:30,173 --> 01:25:33,333
Speaker 3: comes to school it's not heavily promoted that outdoor educational

1723
01:25:33,412 --> 01:25:35,532
Speaker 3: sports team is kind of a secondary thing as long

1724
01:25:35,572 --> 01:25:38,133
Speaker 3: as you're good at maths and english and reading. Do

1725
01:25:38,213 --> 01:25:39,732
Speaker 3: you think there's an element to truth to that that.

1726
01:25:39,973 --> 01:25:41,893
Speaker 3: I mean, it's about agency for the kids, right that,

1727
01:25:42,173 --> 01:25:46,253
Speaker 3: encouraging them and getting that spark of excitement however you

1728
01:25:46,412 --> 01:25:49,173
Speaker 3: can to get into that might be better than some

1729
01:25:49,293 --> 01:25:51,173
Speaker 3: parents saying you're going to go and do that. I

1730
01:25:51,213 --> 01:25:53,092
Speaker 3: don't care if you want to stay in the basement.

1731
01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:55,253
Speaker 3: If you don't get out and join a sports team,

1732
01:25:55,253 --> 01:25:56,972
Speaker 3: I'm going to kick your butt. I don't know if

1733
01:25:57,013 --> 01:25:58,213
Speaker 3: that works as well as it used to work.

1734
01:25:58,293 --> 01:26:02,092
Speaker 20: Chris, Well, this is what you do. You go no sport,

1735
01:26:02,652 --> 01:26:07,653
Speaker 20: no digital life, So you've got to do something physically

1736
01:26:08,372 --> 01:26:12,652
Speaker 20: as you As human, we need to be physical, especially

1737
01:26:12,732 --> 01:26:17,173
Speaker 20: as we're growing up. I played rugby and I've made

1738
01:26:17,213 --> 01:26:20,572
Speaker 20: the question before. I was in team division said, and

1739
01:26:20,732 --> 01:26:23,213
Speaker 20: I was the third choice half back. But I was

1740
01:26:23,333 --> 01:26:23,852
Speaker 20: still there.

1741
01:26:24,093 --> 01:26:25,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1742
01:26:25,372 --> 01:26:28,492
Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's school boys.

1743
01:26:28,772 --> 01:26:30,732
Speaker 2: I think that's why I was still there. I think

1744
01:26:30,732 --> 01:26:32,812
Speaker 2: that's why school forced people to play sport, wasn't it

1745
01:26:32,893 --> 01:26:35,772
Speaker 2: because they realized that the good of it across the board,

1746
01:26:35,812 --> 01:26:39,293
Speaker 2: whether you were amazing at it or not. Like my

1747
01:26:39,732 --> 01:26:44,452
Speaker 2: dad at his eightieth his speech was to his brother

1748
01:26:44,532 --> 01:26:48,173
Speaker 2: as my dad and his brother's eightieth, he had a

1749
01:26:48,213 --> 01:26:50,532
Speaker 2: big speech about their battle because one of them went

1750
01:26:50,572 --> 01:26:52,173
Speaker 2: to Kings and one of them went to Grammar, and

1751
01:26:52,293 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 2: they were locking against each other. And they were still

1752
01:26:55,372 --> 01:26:58,852
Speaker 2: arguing about a locking battle they had all those years ago.

1753
01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:01,213
Speaker 2: They're one year apart in age, and they were in

1754
01:27:01,293 --> 01:27:02,932
Speaker 2: the third they were in the third fifties.

1755
01:27:04,173 --> 01:27:05,372
Speaker 3: It's a deep in great memory.

1756
01:27:05,492 --> 01:27:07,652
Speaker 2: It was the third fifteen Kings Grammar against the third

1757
01:27:07,772 --> 01:27:14,253
Speaker 2: fifteen Grammar fifteen and they're still arguing about it years later.

1758
01:27:14,372 --> 01:27:15,013
Speaker 2: That's how good it was.

1759
01:27:15,133 --> 01:27:17,173
Speaker 3: Love that, Chris, Thank you very much for your phone call,

1760
01:27:17,253 --> 01:27:20,452
Speaker 3: taking yours on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If

1761
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:23,293
Speaker 3: teenagers are more nihilistic and isolated, what do we do

1762
01:27:23,333 --> 01:27:25,093
Speaker 3: about it? Love to hear from you. Quarter past three

1763
01:27:25,732 --> 01:27:28,652
Speaker 3: is talks'd be eighteen past three. Plenty of texts coming through.

1764
01:27:28,772 --> 01:27:30,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people pushing back on my comments

1765
01:27:30,893 --> 01:27:32,732
Speaker 2: that things are better now than never been. It makes

1766
01:27:32,772 --> 01:27:34,972
Speaker 2: no sense to be as nihilistic about the future as

1767
01:27:34,973 --> 01:27:38,093
Speaker 2: young people are. And it's my assertion that it's there's

1768
01:27:38,492 --> 01:27:43,812
Speaker 2: advantage to the big tech to set up algorithms such

1769
01:27:43,893 --> 01:27:46,692
Speaker 2: that you think the world is a disastrous place, so

1770
01:27:46,853 --> 01:27:50,893
Speaker 2: you stay online more because those motions of fear and

1771
01:27:50,933 --> 01:27:53,612
Speaker 2: angle will keep you around longer. You do realize this

1772
01:27:53,692 --> 01:27:56,892
Speaker 2: is this text. You do realize the world extends past

1773
01:27:56,933 --> 01:27:59,532
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Right, No, I didn't. I didn't realize that

1774
01:27:59,612 --> 01:28:00,892
Speaker 2: the world extends past New Zero.

1775
01:28:00,973 --> 01:28:01,293
Speaker 7: How work?

1776
01:28:01,372 --> 01:28:03,852
Speaker 2: So thank you for that text. The world is certainly

1777
01:28:03,933 --> 01:28:07,053
Speaker 2: not the best it has ever been, really so Interestingly enough,

1778
01:28:08,372 --> 01:28:09,973
Speaker 2: Stephen Pinker, I'm not sure if you've heard of him.

1779
01:28:09,973 --> 01:28:15,733
Speaker 2: He's professor of psychology at Harvard University, a cognitive psychologist,

1780
01:28:15,853 --> 01:28:21,372
Speaker 2: and he's coming to Auckland next week on February the second,

1781
01:28:21,412 --> 01:28:23,732
Speaker 2: I believe, Monday next week at the Bruce Mason Center,

1782
01:28:23,812 --> 01:28:25,452
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be talking on stage with him

1783
01:28:26,293 --> 01:28:26,772
Speaker 2: to that event.

1784
01:28:27,133 --> 01:28:27,372
Speaker 3: Great.

1785
01:28:28,412 --> 01:28:33,012
Speaker 2: So, he's an amazing thinker, hugely successful thinker around the world,

1786
01:28:33,572 --> 01:28:37,532
Speaker 2: and he's authored such books as The Better Angels of

1787
01:28:37,572 --> 01:28:41,452
Speaker 2: Our Nature, Entitlement Now, Rationality, What it Is, Why it

1788
01:28:41,732 --> 01:28:43,932
Speaker 2: Seems Scarce, Why It Matters, and his latest book, which

1789
01:28:43,933 --> 01:28:47,652
Speaker 2: is Fantastic, When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows, which is

1790
01:28:47,692 --> 01:28:52,933
Speaker 2: a book about common sense, but he became famous in

1791
01:28:52,973 --> 01:28:55,732
Speaker 2: New Zealand and famous really blew up around the world

1792
01:28:55,772 --> 01:28:58,372
Speaker 2: with his book Enlightenment Now. And he was just pointing

1793
01:28:58,372 --> 01:29:00,732
Speaker 2: out how we're sold by media and social media that

1794
01:29:00,772 --> 01:29:03,892
Speaker 2: the world is the worst it's ever been. But natural fact,

1795
01:29:03,933 --> 01:29:06,493
Speaker 2: if you look at the stats, it's actually an incredible

1796
01:29:06,532 --> 01:29:09,333
Speaker 2: time to alive, be alive. As he points out, extreme

1797
01:29:09,452 --> 01:29:13,612
Speaker 2: poverty has collapsed. Ninety percent of humanity in eighteen twenty

1798
01:29:13,732 --> 01:29:17,772
Speaker 2: lived in extreme poverty. That's now less than seven percent

1799
01:29:17,853 --> 01:29:20,492
Speaker 2: of the globe of humanity lives in extreme poverty. Right,

1800
01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:23,692
Speaker 2: so good stat Life inspectancy has more than doubled from

1801
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:27,132
Speaker 2: roughly thirty years in eighteen hundred to seventy years. Globally,

1802
01:29:27,853 --> 01:29:30,972
Speaker 2: child mortality is plummeted from forty percent of children dying

1803
01:29:31,013 --> 01:29:34,372
Speaker 2: before the age of five at the turn of last

1804
01:29:34,452 --> 01:29:39,652
Speaker 2: century to under four percent now. Violence is historically low levels.

1805
01:29:41,053 --> 01:29:44,452
Speaker 2: Wars killed far few people per capita than in any

1806
01:29:44,532 --> 01:29:49,173
Speaker 2: time in human history. Famine is now incredibly rare. Death

1807
01:29:49,253 --> 01:29:52,173
Speaker 2: from famine have dropped by more than ninety percent, and

1808
01:29:52,372 --> 01:29:57,333
Speaker 2: just the century, global literacy has surged woman's rights. Deadly

1809
01:29:57,452 --> 01:30:00,293
Speaker 2: diseases have been eradicated. We don't just get wiped out

1810
01:30:00,333 --> 01:30:04,133
Speaker 2: by plagues anymore, small pox, polio, you know, you don't

1811
01:30:04,133 --> 01:30:06,892
Speaker 2: get the burbonic plague rolling through. So if you spend

1812
01:30:06,933 --> 01:30:08,532
Speaker 2: any time at all to look at history, you you

1813
01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:11,652
Speaker 2: would have to come to the conclusion that this is

1814
01:30:11,692 --> 01:30:13,972
Speaker 2: a pretty pretty good time to be alive.

1815
01:30:14,133 --> 01:30:17,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why stats are important, because you know, we

1816
01:30:17,732 --> 01:30:20,173
Speaker 3: see suffering more, not because there's more of it. We

1817
01:30:20,293 --> 01:30:24,772
Speaker 3: get bombarded with that on TV and on social media constantly,

1818
01:30:24,893 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 3: but that's far from the truth. So stats are important.

1819
01:30:27,732 --> 01:30:29,932
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1820
01:30:30,253 --> 01:30:32,692
Speaker 3: We will be back very shortly. It is twenty one

1821
01:30:32,772 --> 01:30:33,253
Speaker 3: past three.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred

1823
01:30:40,652 --> 01:30:42,772
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1824
01:30:43,692 --> 01:30:44,852
Speaker 2: Jasmine, welcome to the show.

1825
01:30:46,293 --> 01:30:47,692
Speaker 7: Hi, how are you guys?

1826
01:30:48,093 --> 01:30:51,053
Speaker 2: Good? Thank you? How are you You're you're you're a

1827
01:30:51,412 --> 01:30:53,452
Speaker 2: young person, you're in your twenties. How are you feeling

1828
01:30:53,492 --> 01:30:54,492
Speaker 2: about the world, Jasmine?

1829
01:30:56,293 --> 01:31:00,333
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say nihilistic. I would that's that would be

1830
01:31:00,452 --> 01:31:02,133
Speaker 7: something I would like to default to, but I know

1831
01:31:02,293 --> 01:31:05,052
Speaker 7: I can't. I'd say angry.

1832
01:31:05,893 --> 01:31:07,572
Speaker 2: Right, what are you angry about.

1833
01:31:09,973 --> 01:31:14,772
Speaker 7: Just the way your generation has really shaped our world

1834
01:31:15,133 --> 01:31:18,572
Speaker 7: and how you guys kind of minimize our anger and

1835
01:31:18,732 --> 01:31:22,372
Speaker 7: our distress for the environment to be silly.

1836
01:31:22,572 --> 01:31:24,612
Speaker 2: What generation millennial and our gen X?

1837
01:31:25,612 --> 01:31:28,013
Speaker 7: Yeah, i'd say so boomers.

1838
01:31:28,133 --> 01:31:30,812
Speaker 2: Right, So boomers, millennials and gen ICs are minimalizing your

1839
01:31:30,853 --> 01:31:31,892
Speaker 2: fears about No, I.

1840
01:31:31,893 --> 01:31:34,333
Speaker 7: Wouldn't say millennials. I wouldn't say millennials.

1841
01:31:34,412 --> 01:31:36,612
Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, so not including Tyler and this. So you're

1842
01:31:36,652 --> 01:31:40,772
Speaker 2: saying I have my generation has minimal minimalized your concerns

1843
01:31:41,293 --> 01:31:45,213
Speaker 2: about right, So what are you concerns around the climate.

1844
01:31:46,812 --> 01:31:51,452
Speaker 7: Well, we're not we're not really prioritizing the climate, and

1845
01:31:52,652 --> 01:31:56,213
Speaker 7: we're quite self absorbed. We only think about things that

1846
01:31:56,812 --> 01:32:01,333
Speaker 7: affect us and our future rather than what's also around us.

1847
01:32:01,372 --> 01:32:04,932
Speaker 7: We don't consider the environment as part of our living

1848
01:32:05,412 --> 01:32:07,972
Speaker 7: day to day aspect.

1849
01:32:08,013 --> 01:32:11,932
Speaker 2: Really, how long do you think we've got? How long

1850
01:32:12,213 --> 01:32:14,132
Speaker 2: are you an extinction list? Do you think that climate

1851
01:32:14,253 --> 01:32:18,932
Speaker 2: change will lead to an is an existential risk to humanity?

1852
01:32:20,293 --> 01:32:22,932
Speaker 7: Well that wouldn't matter because it's not an hour last time.

1853
01:32:23,652 --> 01:32:25,973
Speaker 7: It doesn't really matter when that will be. I just

1854
01:32:26,133 --> 01:32:30,093
Speaker 7: know that we have all the resources and we still

1855
01:32:30,213 --> 01:32:32,492
Speaker 7: decide not to what do you do?

1856
01:32:32,893 --> 01:32:35,612
Speaker 2: Do you live a sparse life? Do you have a

1857
01:32:35,772 --> 01:32:37,772
Speaker 2: small carbon footprint? Chasm?

1858
01:32:40,973 --> 01:32:43,533
Speaker 7: I'll try to as much as I can. But obviously

1859
01:32:44,093 --> 01:32:52,733
Speaker 7: that's not the responsibility of the consumer. It's partly our responsibility,

1860
01:32:52,772 --> 01:32:55,652
Speaker 7: but majority of it should be from organizations. It should

1861
01:32:55,652 --> 01:32:58,492
Speaker 7: be organizational leads and governmental lead as well.

1862
01:32:58,812 --> 01:33:03,013
Speaker 2: So how can it not be your responsibility? So you

1863
01:33:03,133 --> 01:33:05,013
Speaker 2: get to choose what you do, right, and so the

1864
01:33:05,093 --> 01:33:09,093
Speaker 2: consumer is a bunch of people, right, so surely it

1865
01:33:09,253 --> 01:33:12,053
Speaker 2: is your responsibility. If you're worried about it and you

1866
01:33:12,133 --> 01:33:15,173
Speaker 2: think that we're minimalizing it is to at least lead

1867
01:33:15,253 --> 01:33:15,972
Speaker 2: by example.

1868
01:33:17,612 --> 01:33:20,173
Speaker 7: That's a really silly way of looking at it, because

1869
01:33:20,532 --> 01:33:23,772
Speaker 7: how can you expect individuals to make these sort of changes.

1870
01:33:24,093 --> 01:33:28,532
Speaker 7: It should be and there should be institution led, organizational lead,

1871
01:33:28,572 --> 01:33:31,532
Speaker 7: and government led. These are real ways to make changes.

1872
01:33:31,893 --> 01:33:33,573
Speaker 7: Do you not individuals?

1873
01:33:33,692 --> 01:33:35,612
Speaker 2: Do you fly by plane?

1874
01:33:35,692 --> 01:33:35,852
Speaker 7: Do you?

1875
01:33:36,013 --> 01:33:38,732
Speaker 2: I mean you're not evenly fly by plane? Or you

1876
01:33:38,772 --> 01:33:42,293
Speaker 2: can there's other ways flies, hottier balloons and such, But

1877
01:33:43,333 --> 01:33:44,972
Speaker 2: do you ever take a plane anywhere?

1878
01:33:46,532 --> 01:33:46,732
Speaker 19: Yes?

1879
01:33:47,013 --> 01:33:49,093
Speaker 7: And I know what you're used, Like this tactic that

1880
01:33:49,173 --> 01:33:53,372
Speaker 7: you're using, it's quite ridiculous. Actually, we have ways of

1881
01:33:53,492 --> 01:33:56,692
Speaker 7: improving our life as well. I can answer that question

1882
01:33:56,812 --> 01:33:58,052
Speaker 7: for you, but it's a gotcha question.

1883
01:33:58,173 --> 01:34:01,372
Speaker 2: Obviously, why wouldn't I ask a gotcha question? You just

1884
01:34:01,452 --> 01:34:04,052
Speaker 2: came in and you said that it's my generation's fault

1885
01:34:04,412 --> 01:34:08,253
Speaker 2: for minimalizing your concerns about the climate. And then I

1886
01:34:08,532 --> 01:34:10,932
Speaker 2: ask you whether you do anything to help the climate,

1887
01:34:10,973 --> 01:34:13,652
Speaker 2: and you say that it's that it's up to the

1888
01:34:13,732 --> 01:34:15,333
Speaker 2: other generations to sort it out for you.

1889
01:34:16,053 --> 01:34:19,852
Speaker 7: So's the generations before us you're going to have the

1890
01:34:19,893 --> 01:34:24,052
Speaker 7: opportunity to use capitalism for a better cause. I guess

1891
01:34:24,133 --> 01:34:28,053
Speaker 7: that no, you went for monetary value rather than environmental So.

1892
01:34:28,093 --> 01:34:31,652
Speaker 2: You don't think you have any responsibility to sort out

1893
01:34:31,652 --> 01:34:32,892
Speaker 2: the climate problem yourself.

1894
01:34:33,133 --> 01:34:37,293
Speaker 7: Obviously I do. Obviously that's not so what do you

1895
01:34:37,372 --> 01:34:42,253
Speaker 7: do that is? Obviously I do as I said, However,

1896
01:34:42,452 --> 01:34:43,692
Speaker 7: I don't think that would.

1897
01:34:45,173 --> 01:34:46,412
Speaker 6: For you to can you?

1898
01:34:46,452 --> 01:34:47,732
Speaker 2: Can you just list some of the things you do

1899
01:34:48,013 --> 01:34:50,092
Speaker 2: as this is your opportunity to talk to a huge audience.

1900
01:34:50,133 --> 01:34:52,172
Speaker 2: So this is an opportunity for you lead by example

1901
01:34:52,213 --> 01:34:55,012
Speaker 2: and maybe affect more people if you say individuals can't

1902
01:34:55,013 --> 01:34:56,932
Speaker 2: do it, but voices can. So you've got a huge

1903
01:34:56,973 --> 01:34:59,133
Speaker 2: audience here. So could you list the things that you

1904
01:34:59,293 --> 01:35:04,732
Speaker 2: do to mitigate climate change so people can copy you? Jasmine?

1905
01:35:05,532 --> 01:35:07,612
Speaker 7: Okay, well, I don't want to give too much information

1906
01:35:07,732 --> 01:35:14,532
Speaker 7: that I do lead and sustainability group that through an

1907
01:35:14,612 --> 01:35:19,333
Speaker 7: organization that has multiple different avenues of chain or of

1908
01:35:19,893 --> 01:35:25,572
Speaker 7: improving our I guess is day to day life's group called.

1909
01:35:26,452 --> 01:35:28,612
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to say, why wouldn't you're able

1910
01:35:28,652 --> 01:35:29,333
Speaker 2: to join your group?

1911
01:35:30,293 --> 01:35:32,572
Speaker 7: Well, it's not really open to the public, so.

1912
01:35:32,612 --> 01:35:34,892
Speaker 2: It's just what is it a sustainability secret society?

1913
01:35:36,532 --> 01:35:39,053
Speaker 7: You can call it that, but no, it's organizational lead.

1914
01:35:39,812 --> 01:35:42,892
Speaker 3: Okay. Do you think sometimes shares mean that the information

1915
01:35:43,093 --> 01:35:46,812
Speaker 3: that you're getting on social media and wherever you get

1916
01:35:46,812 --> 01:35:50,572
Speaker 3: your information from, you are bombarded with various messaging with

1917
01:35:50,692 --> 01:35:54,772
Speaker 3: agendas attached to it, and sometimes you might just think,

1918
01:35:55,293 --> 01:35:57,013
Speaker 3: I need to take a step back here. There might

1919
01:35:57,053 --> 01:36:00,852
Speaker 3: be ulterior motives for the information on being fed to

1920
01:36:00,933 --> 01:36:04,333
Speaker 3: make me be more fearful than I probably should be

1921
01:36:04,372 --> 01:36:04,732
Speaker 3: in life.

1922
01:36:06,093 --> 01:36:08,972
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, you can't just blindly believe whatever you read

1923
01:36:10,333 --> 01:36:10,692
Speaker 7: and how.

1924
01:36:10,612 --> 01:36:11,213
Speaker 3: Do you defend that?

1925
01:36:11,293 --> 01:36:11,452
Speaker 1: Though?

1926
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Speaker 3: The reason I say that is there's another person in

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01:36:13,692 --> 01:36:16,812
Speaker 3: my household. What she sees on social media is vastly

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01:36:16,933 --> 01:36:19,772
Speaker 3: different to what I see. So clearly, when you are

1929
01:36:19,853 --> 01:36:22,053
Speaker 3: worried about what you're worried about, you're going to be

1930
01:36:22,253 --> 01:36:25,732
Speaker 3: bombarded with those messages that are making you quite anxious

1931
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Speaker 3: about the state of the world. So you've got to

1932
01:36:27,812 --> 01:36:32,412
Speaker 3: step back and accept that what you're seeing online is

1933
01:36:32,572 --> 01:36:35,093
Speaker 3: designed to keep you there, but it's not really the

1934
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Speaker 3: truth of the world. And as Matt was saying, when

1935
01:36:37,173 --> 01:36:39,013
Speaker 3: you look at the statistics on where we are in

1936
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, humanity and the world is the best

1937
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Speaker 3: that it's ever been.

1938
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Speaker 7: Yes, I do understand it. And obviously the algorithms do

1939
01:36:49,053 --> 01:36:55,253
Speaker 7: push content that you interact with more, but I don't

1940
01:36:55,333 --> 01:36:59,213
Speaker 7: think it's something that we can The current state of

1941
01:36:59,253 --> 01:37:02,412
Speaker 7: the environment is you know, it's not great. I mean,

1942
01:37:02,492 --> 01:37:05,612
Speaker 7: look at what's happening around New Zealand. Just let's just

1943
01:37:06,053 --> 01:37:07,012
Speaker 7: take that for example.

1944
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Speaker 2: Well, you can't use that, can't You can't use just

1945
01:37:09,572 --> 01:37:12,892
Speaker 2: one individual storm and make a statement about climate. I mean,

1946
01:37:12,973 --> 01:37:16,253
Speaker 2: that's no different than saying someone it's snowing it's cold outside.

1947
01:37:16,253 --> 01:37:17,732
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as global warming.

1948
01:37:17,893 --> 01:37:20,572
Speaker 7: No, but it's the degree. It's the degree, it's the

1949
01:37:20,692 --> 01:37:24,293
Speaker 7: degree of disaster, or the degree of impact. It's not

1950
01:37:24,532 --> 01:37:26,812
Speaker 7: necessarily climate warming. It's going to get warm.

1951
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we weren't get straight. What if

1952
01:37:29,093 --> 01:37:31,892
Speaker 2: you think about climate change? You can't say that there's

1953
01:37:32,572 --> 01:37:34,892
Speaker 2: the there's a degree of impact. I mean, of course,

1954
01:37:35,093 --> 01:37:39,492
Speaker 2: across time, there's been horrific, horrific, horrific weather events across

1955
01:37:39,853 --> 01:37:40,333
Speaker 2: all time.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's just how you know. There's there's a

1957
01:37:45,173 --> 01:37:47,093
Speaker 7: lot of things that you can go into and I

1958
01:37:47,213 --> 01:37:49,852
Speaker 7: won't because I don't want to misquote anything or give

1959
01:37:49,893 --> 01:37:53,333
Speaker 7: you any incorrect information. But I don't think that because

1960
01:37:53,572 --> 01:37:59,053
Speaker 7: my algorithm is pushing for climate action or I mean,

1961
01:37:59,093 --> 01:38:02,532
Speaker 7: that's what I would be passionate about. But if it

1962
01:38:02,612 --> 01:38:06,372
Speaker 7: gives me more information, and yes, obviously social media is

1963
01:38:06,452 --> 01:38:09,412
Speaker 7: not a great source of information. You do have to,

1964
01:38:10,492 --> 01:38:13,333
Speaker 7: like you do have to diversify your source of information.

1965
01:38:13,692 --> 01:38:16,572
Speaker 2: So you get your information from what what are some

1966
01:38:16,652 --> 01:38:17,253
Speaker 2: good sources?

1967
01:38:19,213 --> 01:38:27,372
Speaker 7: Uh, like articles, that's you know, scholarly articles, whatever, journals

1968
01:38:27,732 --> 01:38:29,932
Speaker 7: you are into journals?

1969
01:38:30,173 --> 01:38:34,012
Speaker 2: What sort of journals do you read? Scholarly article journals? Yeah,

1970
01:38:34,093 --> 01:38:38,372
Speaker 2: which particular ones just so people can do you mean

1971
01:38:38,812 --> 01:38:40,572
Speaker 2: which particular do you want me to name?

1972
01:38:40,652 --> 01:38:41,293
Speaker 7: The articles?

1973
01:38:41,692 --> 01:38:43,692
Speaker 2: You just name a scientific journal or an article that

1974
01:38:43,732 --> 01:38:45,652
Speaker 2: you've read that other people could maybe read.

1975
01:38:45,812 --> 01:38:48,372
Speaker 7: Published, and some scientific articles I've actually published too.

1976
01:38:49,053 --> 01:38:50,732
Speaker 2: Can you tell us the names of them so people

1977
01:38:50,732 --> 01:38:51,213
Speaker 2: can read them?

1978
01:38:51,333 --> 01:38:51,372
Speaker 16: No?

1979
01:38:51,572 --> 01:38:54,133
Speaker 2: I will not, Right, Well, where did you publish them

1980
01:38:54,133 --> 01:38:55,293
Speaker 2: if you didn't want people to read them?

1981
01:38:56,412 --> 01:38:59,173
Speaker 7: I want people to read them and not target me.

1982
01:38:59,372 --> 01:39:03,732
Speaker 7: So yeah, why would.

1983
01:39:03,532 --> 01:39:05,333
Speaker 2: People target you? If you've written something for.

1984
01:39:05,372 --> 01:39:06,692
Speaker 7: The pot I'm not going to give it out to

1985
01:39:06,732 --> 01:39:09,613
Speaker 7: the public. It's only if it's they've got a necessary

1986
01:39:09,732 --> 01:39:10,133
Speaker 7: for them.

1987
01:39:10,572 --> 01:39:13,653
Speaker 2: You've got a secret organization, the secret sustainability.

1988
01:39:14,253 --> 01:39:17,333
Speaker 7: You don't understand trying to keep publicly anonymous.

1989
01:39:17,572 --> 01:39:20,213
Speaker 2: Well, no, your argument I understand it, jesmon. But your

1990
01:39:20,253 --> 01:39:22,293
Speaker 2: argument is that you don't have to do anything to

1991
01:39:23,173 --> 01:39:27,893
Speaker 2: save the environment. That's up to government, organizations and corporations.

1992
01:39:28,692 --> 01:39:31,973
Speaker 7: You decided that. I didn't say that. I said it

1993
01:39:32,293 --> 01:39:35,372
Speaker 7: should be led. I didn't say that. It's not my responsibility.

1994
01:39:35,532 --> 01:39:38,692
Speaker 7: It's not there for it to land on individual people.

1995
01:39:39,093 --> 01:39:43,492
Speaker 7: It should be organizational leading.

1996
01:39:42,853 --> 01:39:46,492
Speaker 2: Isn't Isn't it doesn't everything start with individual people, isn't.

1997
01:39:46,612 --> 01:39:50,173
Speaker 2: Isn't that you sought out your situation and then you

1998
01:39:50,333 --> 01:39:52,932
Speaker 2: spread your message to other people, lead by example, and then.

1999
01:39:52,853 --> 01:39:55,732
Speaker 7: That's how it's some sort of interest. It's not an

2000
01:39:55,853 --> 01:39:58,492
Speaker 7: interest thing for you to decide. Oh, yeah, it would

2001
01:39:58,532 --> 01:39:59,452
Speaker 7: be quite nice to do this.

2002
01:39:59,853 --> 01:40:02,253
Speaker 21: No, it needs to be done just kind of like

2003
01:40:02,333 --> 01:40:06,572
Speaker 21: how you have KPIs or how you The main reason

2004
01:40:06,732 --> 01:40:09,972
Speaker 21: a lot of companies do things is profit revenue.

2005
01:40:10,173 --> 01:40:12,932
Speaker 7: I don't know, just set goals that you would.

2006
01:40:12,812 --> 01:40:14,973
Speaker 2: Like to You don't think companies should do things for

2007
01:40:15,093 --> 01:40:16,412
Speaker 2: profit or revenue.

2008
01:40:19,213 --> 01:40:22,812
Speaker 7: Look, I'm a communist. I don't care about all of that,

2009
01:40:23,372 --> 01:40:26,452
Speaker 7: so you can you know, that's a really dumb question

2010
01:40:26,572 --> 01:40:26,892
Speaker 7: to ask.

2011
01:40:27,013 --> 01:40:29,572
Speaker 2: How do you manifest your communism? You live in a

2012
01:40:29,612 --> 01:40:32,492
Speaker 2: capitalist side, so how do you So do you live

2013
01:40:32,532 --> 01:40:35,172
Speaker 2: as a communist or you just hope for a communist society.

2014
01:40:37,333 --> 01:40:39,812
Speaker 7: I hope for a communist society. Obviously, I can't live

2015
01:40:39,853 --> 01:40:40,892
Speaker 7: in a communist society.

2016
01:40:41,093 --> 01:40:43,452
Speaker 2: So you think that the government should do more, So

2017
01:40:43,572 --> 01:40:46,532
Speaker 2: you don't trust the government, But a communist society is

2018
01:40:46,612 --> 01:40:48,892
Speaker 2: giving all the power to the government.

2019
01:40:50,133 --> 01:40:54,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, it should be more collectively decided on what is

2020
01:40:54,333 --> 01:40:56,173
Speaker 7: important to us and what's important for the environment. It

2021
01:40:56,213 --> 01:41:02,893
Speaker 7: shouldn't be corporates. It shouldn't be any privatization of utilities.

2022
01:41:02,973 --> 01:41:08,812
Speaker 7: That's ridiculous and look, I have no control of the

2023
01:41:09,173 --> 01:41:12,652
Speaker 7: entire you know, of the society. I mean even you know,

2024
01:41:12,732 --> 01:41:15,173
Speaker 7: if I can move countries, that would be ideal, But

2025
01:41:15,253 --> 01:41:17,492
Speaker 7: I have family. It's not like I can easily just leave,

2026
01:41:18,812 --> 01:41:20,492
Speaker 7: and it's not fair for you.

2027
01:41:21,412 --> 01:41:24,013
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, and and

2028
01:41:24,772 --> 01:41:25,892
Speaker 2: you're good, good luck out there.

2029
01:41:27,612 --> 01:41:30,213
Speaker 3: I appreciate your call, JAS, but look, seriously, you've got

2030
01:41:30,253 --> 01:41:31,933
Speaker 3: their passion there, and you've got the belief. You've got

2031
01:41:32,013 --> 01:41:33,772
Speaker 3: to get people alongside you if you believe.

2032
01:41:35,173 --> 01:41:39,772
Speaker 7: Ye you you you said you the previous callers who

2033
01:41:39,973 --> 01:41:42,852
Speaker 7: weren't nihilistic, or who weren't angry or just having a

2034
01:41:42,933 --> 01:41:45,732
Speaker 7: good time. You know, you're like, oh, what a good person,

2035
01:41:45,812 --> 01:41:49,333
Speaker 7: what a lovely person. Just because I'm passionate, Yeah, just

2036
01:41:49,372 --> 01:41:52,452
Speaker 7: because I'm passionate and I'm angry doesn't mean I'm not

2037
01:41:52,532 --> 01:41:53,092
Speaker 7: a good person.

2038
01:41:54,572 --> 01:41:54,772
Speaker 17: Say that.

2039
01:41:54,933 --> 01:42:00,213
Speaker 7: I mean, but you're obviously the way you're talking, I'm.

2040
01:42:00,053 --> 01:42:02,133
Speaker 2: A good person because you keep saying everything.

2041
01:42:02,372 --> 01:42:05,893
Speaker 7: I'm not saying you. I'm saying it's collective decision. You

2042
01:42:06,013 --> 01:42:08,492
Speaker 7: are putting words into my mouth. I'm saying, collective of

2043
01:42:08,732 --> 01:42:11,892
Speaker 7: decisions need to be made for all of us. It's

2044
01:42:12,013 --> 01:42:19,372
Speaker 7: not individuals, but not by you, Okay, yep, not by me. Yeah,

2045
01:42:19,452 --> 01:42:20,852
Speaker 7: sure you can say that, Okay.

2046
01:42:20,933 --> 01:42:21,133
Speaker 3: Cool.

2047
01:42:21,372 --> 01:42:23,293
Speaker 7: Well, I feel like you're not really taking in what

2048
01:42:23,372 --> 01:42:25,013
Speaker 7: I'm saying, but I'm trying to.

2049
01:42:25,412 --> 01:42:27,532
Speaker 2: I'm trying to. But you've sort of said that, you

2050
01:42:27,812 --> 01:42:32,372
Speaker 2: that it has to be organizations bigger than you to

2051
01:42:32,492 --> 01:42:33,333
Speaker 2: do stuff.

2052
01:42:33,732 --> 01:42:34,213
Speaker 12: But you have.

2053
01:42:34,452 --> 01:42:36,772
Speaker 7: I am already doing whatever I can, but you want

2054
01:42:36,772 --> 01:42:40,253
Speaker 7: to publicly do it. No, No, I won't publicly share

2055
01:42:40,333 --> 01:42:41,452
Speaker 7: because I prefer not to.

2056
01:42:42,173 --> 01:42:44,213
Speaker 2: Oh well, good luck with that. Thank you so much

2057
01:42:44,253 --> 01:42:45,253
Speaker 2: for your call. Really appreciate it.

2058
01:42:45,333 --> 01:42:49,052
Speaker 3: All the very best to your jasmine. Keep up that passion.

2059
01:42:49,173 --> 01:42:52,692
Speaker 3: It is twenty four to four headlines coming up there.

2060
01:42:52,692 --> 01:42:54,012
Speaker 3: We're taking more of your calls.

2061
01:42:56,372 --> 01:42:59,012
Speaker 1: You've talked said headlines with blue.

2062
01:42:58,853 --> 01:43:02,133
Speaker 8: Bubble taxis, it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The

2063
01:43:02,253 --> 01:43:06,333
Speaker 8: government's putting one point two million dollars immediate cash into

2064
01:43:06,692 --> 01:43:09,692
Speaker 8: Merror relief funds to help reas hit by weather damage

2065
01:43:09,772 --> 01:43:13,213
Speaker 8: last week. An estimated five hundred people have been displaced

2066
01:43:13,253 --> 01:43:16,732
Speaker 8: across the North Island, nine are dead and one missing.

2067
01:43:17,293 --> 01:43:19,893
Speaker 8: One million dollars will go on to reimbursing Mardai that

2068
01:43:20,053 --> 01:43:24,213
Speaker 8: helped communities. Chris Pink will become an associate to Emergency

2069
01:43:24,293 --> 01:43:28,412
Speaker 8: Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell and he'll advise Cabinet

2070
01:43:28,612 --> 01:43:32,812
Speaker 8: on a possible inquiry into the Mart Manganui slip. Labour's

2071
01:43:32,853 --> 01:43:35,932
Speaker 8: caucus hasn't reached a firm conclusion on backing the government

2072
01:43:36,013 --> 01:43:40,173
Speaker 8: free trade deal with India after discussions today. It's asking

2073
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:43,813
Speaker 8: the government for more detail on such things as migrant exploitation.

2074
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:47,652
Speaker 8: The discovery of a large number of million year old

2075
01:43:47,732 --> 01:43:51,372
Speaker 8: fossils in a white or more cave includes twelve species

2076
01:43:51,452 --> 01:43:53,932
Speaker 8: of birds and four of frogs. One of the most

2077
01:43:53,933 --> 01:43:57,252
Speaker 8: significant findings is an ancient relative of the Ka kupur.

2078
01:43:58,213 --> 01:44:02,253
Speaker 8: From jet packs to scooters New Zealand's biggest tech misfires.

2079
01:44:02,572 --> 01:44:05,133
Speaker 8: You can read more at enzid Herald Premium. Back to

2080
01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:06,452
Speaker 8: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2081
01:44:06,532 --> 01:44:08,452
Speaker 3: Thanks you very much, Raylan. So we're talking about this

2082
01:44:08,692 --> 01:44:12,892
Speaker 3: report from Outward Bound about nihilistic young people. It's ceping

2083
01:44:12,933 --> 01:44:13,372
Speaker 3: in apparently.

2084
01:44:13,412 --> 01:44:16,372
Speaker 2: According to the report, yeah terrible stats, twenty six percent

2085
01:44:16,492 --> 01:44:18,612
Speaker 2: report little to no confidence in their ability to change

2086
01:44:18,652 --> 01:44:21,173
Speaker 2: themselves for the better, which is incredibly sad. If you

2087
01:44:21,253 --> 01:44:24,133
Speaker 2: don't think that you can put it, you don't have

2088
01:44:24,732 --> 01:44:27,932
Speaker 2: the ability to change yourself for the better. That's depressing,

2089
01:44:27,973 --> 01:44:29,812
Speaker 2: as sixteen percent say it's the worst that it has

2090
01:44:29,853 --> 01:44:30,253
Speaker 2: ever been.

2091
01:44:31,053 --> 01:44:35,612
Speaker 3: I mean, it's terrifying butalistic attitude and it's frustrating. Of course,

2092
01:44:35,692 --> 01:44:37,452
Speaker 3: you can you can change things if you dig in

2093
01:44:37,572 --> 01:44:40,532
Speaker 3: and make you your life better. There's always options. There

2094
01:44:40,612 --> 01:44:41,412
Speaker 3: is always options.

2095
01:44:41,532 --> 01:44:44,492
Speaker 2: And these stats are particularly bad for young men. One

2096
01:44:44,572 --> 01:44:46,772
Speaker 2: in four young men twenty five percent say they have

2097
01:44:47,973 --> 01:44:49,612
Speaker 2: said that. One in four young men. That's twenty five

2098
01:44:49,612 --> 01:44:51,933
Speaker 2: percent in case you didn't know night. So they have

2099
01:44:52,213 --> 01:44:58,492
Speaker 2: zero close friends. So you know, there's this there's a

2100
01:44:58,652 --> 01:45:01,412
Speaker 2: there's a book that's just come out from a guy

2101
01:45:01,492 --> 01:45:02,972
Speaker 2: that I'm a fan of. I don't agree with everything

2102
01:45:03,013 --> 01:45:05,412
Speaker 2: he says. But his name is Professor Scott Galloway yep,

2103
01:45:05,692 --> 01:45:10,972
Speaker 2: and his latest book is Coled h It's called Advice

2104
01:45:11,053 --> 01:45:13,213
Speaker 2: for young Men, I believe, notes on being a man.

2105
01:45:13,372 --> 01:45:18,093
Speaker 2: It's called Anyway. He's had some really good vice for

2106
01:45:18,772 --> 01:45:20,452
Speaker 2: young men out the end. I thought it might be

2107
01:45:20,572 --> 01:45:22,452
Speaker 2: worthwhile listening to a bit of what he is to say.

2108
01:45:22,812 --> 01:45:24,972
Speaker 12: Worst thing that's happened to young people is the anti

2109
01:45:25,053 --> 01:45:27,732
Speaker 12: alcohol movement. The risk to your twenty five year old

2110
01:45:27,772 --> 01:45:31,092
Speaker 12: liver are dwarfed by the risk of social isolation. Forty

2111
01:45:31,133 --> 01:45:34,093
Speaker 12: five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have never

2112
01:45:34,133 --> 01:45:36,893
Speaker 12: asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent of

2113
01:45:36,973 --> 01:45:39,253
Speaker 12: men under the age of thirty are not even pursuing

2114
01:45:39,253 --> 01:45:41,732
Speaker 12: a relationship. And if you think about the most rewarding

2115
01:45:41,812 --> 01:45:43,892
Speaker 12: things in your life, I mean the things that really matter,

2116
01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:46,173
Speaker 12: they are essentially relationships.

2117
01:45:46,333 --> 01:45:47,532
Speaker 17: What do they all have in common?

2118
01:45:47,772 --> 01:45:51,652
Speaker 12: They're really damn hard and unfortunately, big tech, the most

2119
01:45:51,812 --> 01:45:54,893
Speaker 12: deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is trying to

2120
01:45:54,933 --> 01:45:57,333
Speaker 12: convince young men that they can have a reasonable facsimile

2121
01:45:57,412 --> 01:46:00,053
Speaker 12: of life online. Why go through the pecking order of

2122
01:46:00,093 --> 01:46:02,372
Speaker 12: trying to establish friendships and you got readed in discord.

2123
01:46:02,412 --> 01:46:04,572
Speaker 12: Why put on a tie and navigate the corporate world

2124
01:46:04,812 --> 01:46:07,733
Speaker 12: when you can trade crypto or stocks on robinhood or coinbasin.

2125
01:46:07,732 --> 01:46:09,933
Speaker 12: Why would you go through the effort, the expense, and

2126
01:46:10,013 --> 01:46:14,653
Speaker 12: the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing a romantic relationship

2127
01:46:15,053 --> 01:46:18,612
Speaker 12: when you have porn. I believe, slowly but surely, we're

2128
01:46:18,652 --> 01:46:20,532
Speaker 12: going to start to see fewer and fewer young men

2129
01:46:20,692 --> 01:46:22,772
Speaker 12: out in the wild because they're going to decide to

2130
01:46:22,812 --> 01:46:25,013
Speaker 12: sequester her. And if I could say anything to young men,

2131
01:46:25,612 --> 01:46:28,772
Speaker 12: is that the anxiety and depression you will eventually feel

2132
01:46:29,013 --> 01:46:32,692
Speaker 12: in your basement, sequestered from other mammals is far greater

2133
01:46:32,893 --> 01:46:35,492
Speaker 12: than the fear of anything that lays outside of that room.

2134
01:46:35,572 --> 01:46:38,253
Speaker 12: For you, think of all the amazing relationships you've had

2135
01:46:38,293 --> 01:46:41,412
Speaker 12: in your life, and be honest, did alcohol play a role.

2136
01:46:41,812 --> 01:46:44,933
Speaker 1: First time you get drunk is usually with your friends and.

2137
01:46:45,093 --> 01:46:47,812
Speaker 12: Some get out, drink more and make a series of

2138
01:46:47,853 --> 01:46:50,812
Speaker 12: bad decisions that might payoff bless ye.

2139
01:46:52,853 --> 01:46:54,053
Speaker 3: Oh, he's compelling, isn't he.

2140
01:46:55,492 --> 01:46:58,692
Speaker 2: It's controficial with the alcohol. But the message is get

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Speaker 2: out there, you know. And that anxiety that you feel

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Speaker 2: for getting out and you know, trying to change to

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Speaker 2: make the world a bit of place is nothing like

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Speaker 2: the anxiety you'll get back if you don't.

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Speaker 3: Risks absolutely, Jenny, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Jenny, welcome to the show. Sorry as having struggling

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Speaker 2: to turn your phone on for you there. How are you.

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Speaker 17: Great?

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: It's such a great topic. I'm so glad you're talking

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Speaker 5: about this. I get a front row seat to what's

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Speaker 5: going on with our young people. Have the privilege of

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Speaker 5: leading an organization a charity that's at the front line

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Speaker 5: with young young people, and we're seeing just what was

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Speaker 5: described in that little segment you had there. We've got

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Speaker 5: a generation coming through that's increasingly socially isolated and we

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Speaker 5: desperately I mean that the stats are pretty dire.

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Speaker 3: We really need.

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Speaker 5: Solutions that work to really get those help us as

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Speaker 5: a society. We're aware of what's working and why, and

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Speaker 5: then to really amplify that and build that work together

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Speaker 5: to effect change.

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Speaker 2: So how I work together? How Jenny?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the charity that I lead is called Upside

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Speaker 5: Upside Youth Mentoring and yeah, and going back to that point,

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Speaker 5: the guy just was sharing that the social isolation isolation

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Speaker 5: really that the most powerful tool we have to affect

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Speaker 5: change is relationships. And for these young guys are so

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Speaker 5: digitally saturated but relationally starved, having a positive role model

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Speaker 5: in their corner actually affirming their value, helping them to

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Speaker 5: understand their potential. Because when somebody believes in your potential,

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Speaker 5: you start believing in it too. So really speaking into

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Speaker 5: these young lives, especially at that critical age of nine

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Speaker 5: to thirteen, when there's an enormous amount of physiological cognitives

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Speaker 5: of change, we really do get to intercept some of

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Speaker 5: those that mindset all that sense of belief and a

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Speaker 5: sense of belief in the world around them to it

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Speaker 5: there's actually people that care that their future can be

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Speaker 5: a lot brighter than what they might have thought, and

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Speaker 5: that really starts to shift things. So and the other

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Speaker 5: part of the equation for us is that our mentors

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Speaker 5: of volunteers to actually equipping regular, ordinary people from the kids'

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Speaker 5: communities to step up and do some quite extraordinary things

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Speaker 5: just through play and activities in the community, to help

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Speaker 5: reframe the world and their value in it.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard, though, isn't it, Because we all know

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Speaker 2: these things, and you see things, and we have people

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Speaker 2: in the family, and you're wider family you see these

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking of young men primarily, but it's

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Speaker 2: not only young men. It's so hard to make someone

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Speaker 2: do what they don't want to do or too scared

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Speaker 2: to do. It can be just so incredibly difficult, like

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Speaker 2: quite easy to talk about, but the actuality of forcing

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Speaker 2: someone to do something they don't want to do a teenager,

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Speaker 2: it's just it can seem impossible for a parent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're so right. It's that concept of sort of

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Speaker 5: doing too, Like if we impose ideals or solutions on

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Speaker 5: a young person, they're pretty resistant to that. And I

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Speaker 5: guess that's the power of walking alongside where they're seeing

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Speaker 5: you as a you know, co traveler and not somebody

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Speaker 5: telling them how to live, but actually holding space for them.

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Speaker 5: They say, with parenting, when the child gets increasingly older,

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Speaker 5: you move from being the you know, the coach to

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01:50:50,652 --> 01:50:54,053
Speaker 5: the consultant, and increasingly you want to give them a

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Speaker 5: sense of agency and talk through you know, what do

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Speaker 5: you think your options are? Rather than imposing your perspective,

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Speaker 5: you help them export base safely and just feel accepted

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Speaker 5: and understood. And if they're angry, you sit with them

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Speaker 5: and that that's okay, very human. I feel angry, understand

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Speaker 5: you know. And and in our cases are saying the

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Speaker 5: a mentor is quite a powerful model, especially if they're

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Speaker 5: not listening to parents. And often that's the case when

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Speaker 5: they start hurting those preteen or teen years, the parent

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Speaker 5: voice can get pushed to the side, so we've got.

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Speaker 2: To move on. So as it upside dot cod and

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Speaker 2: that how people give you upside is that it upside

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Speaker 2: dog dot org, upside dot org dot Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for calling to you. You appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you do fantastic work in the community. Upside dot

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Speaker 3: org dot in z go check them out back Very shortly,

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Speaker 3: there's thirteen to four, a fresh.

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Speaker 1: Take on talk Back. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty eight US

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Speaker 1: talks be ten to four.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people asking what that book was we

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01:52:01,133 --> 01:52:03,692
Speaker 2: were talking about before. It's Notes on Being a Man

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Speaker 2: from Professor Scott Galloways. It came out at the end

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Speaker 2: of end of last year. Yep, he's everywhere at the

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Speaker 2: other book I was talking about was Enlightenment Now by

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Speaker 2: Stephen Pinker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good.

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Speaker 2: Appearing at the Bruce Mason Seenter next Monday.

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Speaker 3: There'll we go to Conrad. We've got about a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutes, but good to chat with.

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Speaker 2: You, Conrad. Sorry that was my father. I didn't turn

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01:52:26,732 --> 01:52:29,612
Speaker 2: your phone on, so sorry to hurry you up and

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01:52:29,652 --> 01:52:31,293
Speaker 2: then not turn you on. How are you beg your

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01:52:31,293 --> 01:52:33,053
Speaker 2: Pardner doing fine?

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Speaker 7: Thanks?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Now mate, you're in your mid twenties. What's your thoughts

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Speaker 3: on this discussion?

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Speaker 15: Well, I'm talking to you the short so I wasn't

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01:52:43,692 --> 01:52:46,492
Speaker 15: asked what the demographic off that study was. But if

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01:52:46,492 --> 01:52:50,013
Speaker 15: it's on men, then it's quite clear. Where do one

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01:52:50,093 --> 01:52:56,732
Speaker 15: sort of suffering for suffering the social pushback, mostly being

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Speaker 15: told not to be masculine, not to be men essentially?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And.

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Speaker 15: Where do I sort of suffering the ideals of the

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Speaker 15: previous generations from the book to the gen X and

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Speaker 15: who lived in an idealistic world of complete as abundance

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01:53:14,812 --> 01:53:18,252
Speaker 15: post World War Two? We're not really, We're now scrapping

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01:53:19,412 --> 01:53:26,652
Speaker 15: for resources, having to compete against extremely wealthy men who

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01:53:26,732 --> 01:53:30,532
Speaker 15: can have no issue getting anything I want. The average

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Speaker 15: man can't, especially for younger men.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you even fear for you know, just

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Speaker 2: talking historically though, you don't fear for going hungry?

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Speaker 8: Do you?

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01:53:39,293 --> 01:53:41,053
Speaker 2: And you don't fear for a roof over your head?

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Speaker 2: Do you, conrade?

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Speaker 15: No, not like that, Like if it's about the whole.

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Speaker 15: Do we have more resources than we have today? Yes,

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01:53:46,893 --> 01:53:51,253
Speaker 15: we do, But in terms of social cohesion as a man,

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Speaker 15: I do feel sort of socized. I have to watch

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01:53:53,412 --> 01:53:56,932
Speaker 15: what I say. I have to be incredibly careful being

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01:53:56,973 --> 01:54:00,732
Speaker 15: near a woman because of a fear of just being

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01:54:00,812 --> 01:54:03,133
Speaker 15: called a creep or a rapist. Even if I just

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Speaker 15: walk past this, or if I just accidentally bump into it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this definition of masculinity. This

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Speaker 2: is from Professor Scott Gallant Gallaware. Masculinity is not dominance,

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Speaker 2: it's reliability. Being a man means showing up when it's

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01:54:16,452 --> 01:54:20,253
Speaker 2: hard and staying when it's uncomfortable. Strength isn't yelling louder,

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01:54:20,372 --> 01:54:22,012
Speaker 2: it's staying calm longer.

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Speaker 15: I can agree with that, but I would like to

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Speaker 15: add three things that, if I may, I think being masculine,

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Speaker 15: if a man involves three things. Yep, duty, responsibility, and discipline.

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Speaker 2: Duty, responsibility and discipline. Aren't they all kind of one thing?

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Speaker 2: Isn't duty responsibility and no, duty and responsibility is similar.

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Speaker 15: But discipline, Yeah, duty it's an expectation. Responsibility is you

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Speaker 15: don't dump it on someone else?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. They are different,

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Speaker 2: very different.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, And I would put you that puts you ahea

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Speaker 3: to most young men your age. And that's part of

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Speaker 3: the problem, right, is that nihilistic attitude doesn't change anything,

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01:54:59,933 --> 01:55:02,213
Speaker 3: and we think the system's rigged against you. And you've

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Speaker 3: got some good arguments there about the mentality of young

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Speaker 3: men in the past ten years. But you're you're gonna

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Speaker 3: be awareness to do something about it.

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 15: But yes, I think it's not about we think. We're

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Speaker 15: watching the news cycles, We're watching the international especially nights.

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01:55:16,893 --> 01:55:21,373
Speaker 15: We're constantly pushing thing of you can't be masculine, you

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Speaker 15: have to be famine in a sense. We have to

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Speaker 15: talk about me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you so much for you call Conrad.

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Speaker 2: Sorry we have run out of time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that dog as well.

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Speaker 1: Seven to four The big stories, the big issues, the

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Speaker 1: big trends, and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons used talk z B.

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Speaker 2: News Talks be four to four to four that brings

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Speaker 2: us the end or another edition of Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoons on news Talk ZB. The Great and Powerful Heathertops

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Speaker 2: The Ellen is up next for the first time this year.

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Speaker 2: A podcast will be out very soon. But Tyler, my

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Speaker 2: good friend, why am I playing this song?

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Speaker 3: Oh what a what a great song by d Raim?

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Speaker 3: Things are never being better?

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Speaker 2: That's right, because global statistics point out that they are

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Speaker 2: the algorithms. I want you to believe that things have

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Speaker 2: never been worse.

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Speaker 3: When in doubt, check the stats.

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Speaker 2: All right until tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Give them a taste of Kiwi from Tyler and I

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Speaker 3: Love you.

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Speaker 1: Again. For more from News Talks at b listen live

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