1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: It's a final day for councils here to make a 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: decision on Marie Wards. If you like, Kuipra upper huts 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: have opted out. In other words, the seat will go 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: and there will be no vote next year as part 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: of the local body elections. Many others, of course, have 6 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: voted to vote local government. President Sam Broughton's back with 7 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: this morning. 8 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning, Mike. 9 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Do you have the numbers in front of you how 10 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: many councils are left and how many have gone for 11 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: a vote. 12 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got two that have decided that they're going 13 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: to disestablish the Maori Wards and the US majority deciding 14 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: to keep them. 15 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Okay, And as far as councils making that decision that 16 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: they all come to the party or we've still got 17 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: a few stragglers, I. 18 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 2: Think everyone's made that decision. I haven't rung them all 19 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: just to double check that. But you know, councils are 20 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: working to what the government's expectations are and I would 21 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: expect councils to have made those decisions. 22 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: And is that ratio surprised you or not? 23 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: No. I think councils have seen the value of having 24 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 2: the Malori Wards and people working alongside Manafenawa to make 25 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: good decisions for their communities one time when we're supposed 26 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: to be thinking about infrastructure and housing as councils, it's 27 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: important that we have, you know, that partnership in place. 28 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: And what about the legal angle that some people were 29 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: going down the track off early on, going oh, we're 30 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: going to investigate whether we can get out of it. 31 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Did anybody actually do that or was that just a threat? 32 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 2: Now there's individual decisions that each council is going to make, 33 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: but from an LG and Z point of view, we've 34 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: encouraged people to follow government direction and make sure we 35 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: meet the time frames. You know, we live in a 36 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: country where we need to understand when decisions are made 37 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 2: and make them clearly with our community. So our expectation 38 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: is that councils have done that. 39 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: Do you see any council running a vote that's successful 40 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: or not? 41 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that councils have shown that molding in 42 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: council partnership over the last or many years and lots 43 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: of cases and only a few years for some that 44 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: has bought yeah, good partnership outcomes. I know that in 45 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: my case, we don't have valbi wars, but we have 46 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: seats around the council table for other participation has resulted 47 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: in cheaper, quicker decisions for our community, but I think 48 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: better outcomes because we have a richer discussion early on, 49 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: rather than battling or fighting things out after decisions are made. 50 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: So I think communities have seen that, and yeah, I 51 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: trust it will see communities vote that way when we 52 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: come to the polls. 53 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: That'll be fairst. Do you think you have to sell 54 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: that or do you think people understand that. 55 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: I think it'll be both. I think there needs to 56 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: be some information sharing around it, but also in some 57 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: instances it will have been made clear. 58 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: If you're right and votes are held and those votes 59 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: are successful and we vote for Marii voices on councils, 60 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: what does that then say about the jurymanned system we've 61 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: had up until this point. 62 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think we've always enabled Malori voices around council table. 63 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: It's just been the Pole instigation that's kind of thrown 64 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: it out of it where we've advocated that we should 65 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: treat all wards in the same way, and if we 66 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: have a Maori ward, it just means those that are 67 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: on the Maori role can choose to vote on the 68 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Maori role as opposed to voting on the general role. 69 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: So it's still communities say and putting their names for it. 70 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it. Sam Broughton, who's the Local Government 71 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: New Zealand President, our research department seems to think that 72 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: Hut's city in the Far North are voting today, so 73 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: not everyone's got there, but today is the deadline, so 74 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: they will scrape through for more from the mic Asking 75 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: Breakfast Listen live to news talks. It'd be from six 76 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.