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Speaker 1: As if she didn't have enough to do. The Education

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Speaker 1: Minister has been asked to go and sort out the

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Speaker 1: government's ideas around social media. This is a plan on

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Speaker 1: how to restrict the under sixteens. It's a member's bill

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Speaker 1: but now officially part of the government's program, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that Act not on board. The Education Minister. Erica

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Speaker 1: Stanford's with us. Good morning Monding, mate. You got any

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Speaker 1: sense whether technically you can actually achieve this or is

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Speaker 2: No, I do think we can achieve this, and I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have asked to have taken this on if I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I already had conversations with world leading experts who have

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Speaker 2: been involved in some of the legislative changes in other countries,

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Speaker 2: including the EU, and there is an opportunity for us

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Speaker 2: to be fast followers and learn from the best in

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Speaker 2: the world at what's worked and create something that can

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Speaker 2: work for New Zealand. But it's the issue is too

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Speaker 2: important for us to say this is too hard, Mike,

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Speaker 2: This is personal to me. You know, these guys do

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Speaker 2: not care about our kids. They're causing immense harm, and

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Speaker 2: you know we owe it to them to do something.

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Speaker 1: I all of this we agree with, but as I

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Speaker 1: talk with web the other day, technically I don't believe

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I've also got some concerns about the Australian

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Speaker 2: to implement it, which is why I want to take

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Speaker 2: a more nuanced and sophisticated approach. There are many other

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Speaker 2: countries who have done similar things and had much better implementation,

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Speaker 2: and I want to go and look at what they've done.

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Speaker 2: I think we can. But look, I'm no expert. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know your concerns, but you know you may not

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Speaker 2: be an expert either. But there that are All.

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Speaker 1: I know is what I've read, and I cannot name

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Speaker 1: you a single country who's part legislation that has managed

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Speaker 1: two banded sixteen year olds on social media. It's just

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Speaker 1: not technically possible.

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Speaker 2: It is possible, And I've got friends in very high

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Speaker 2: will used to be in very high places at Facebook

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Speaker 2: and other companies who know that they know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you look, you read that book Careless People by

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Speaker 2: Sarah and Williams. You read that book. It has a

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Speaker 2: whole chapter on the fact that they would liberately marketing

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Speaker 2: They were selling beauty ads to young girls who are

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Speaker 2: taking pictures of themselves down off the internet, targeting them deliberately.

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Speaker 1: No I get that. No, I get that they might

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Speaker 1: But what you're going to do is to have to

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Speaker 1: no one else has been able to do it yet.

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Speaker 1: That's what That's my point.

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Speaker 2: There have been other there are other countries around the

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Speaker 2: said to them, look, we're going to find you this way,

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Speaker 2: which actually has made those companies sit up and realize

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Speaker 2: it's not worth their while to exploit our kids when

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Speaker 2: they do it that way. And I'm very carefully watching

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Speaker 2: what other countries have done. There are good examples, mate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of other quick things in your various

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Speaker 1: other First word, do you really have time for all

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Speaker 2: Well? I do. I do, And like I say, this

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Speaker 2: is too important. We have to shift societal norms on

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Speaker 2: this digital stuff to make sure that we're protecting our kids.

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Speaker 2: It's worth it.

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Speaker 1: Back to Friday's announcement. You're on a no win here

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Speaker 2: Well I said that from the very start. I said,

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Speaker 2: the single biggest investment into the redress scheme in the

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Speaker 2: looks like and acts like a single system that's topping

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Speaker 2: up people who've already had redress. You know, we've done

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Speaker 2: a lot of what the Royal Commission asked for. But

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Speaker 2: is just the first step. There's nothing to say that

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Speaker 2: we won't make further changes and move more close to

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Speaker 2: an independent redress system after twenty twenty seven, when we

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Speaker 1: O Golden Visa's immigration. That was my headache last NA

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Speaker 1: last week and dealing with the department who repaying the bump.

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Speaker 1: Does the new Golden Visa exclude the use of qualified

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Speaker 1: domestic Institutional investor and the qualified Domestic limited partnership In

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Speaker 1: other words, is it anti Chinese?

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Speaker 2: It's not anti Chinese at all. It's what it is.

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Speaker 2: The previous labor government put these in place as well.

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Speaker 2: It's saying that if you have to repatriate your money mandatorily,

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Speaker 2: like through the QDII or the QDLP that you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: but any other scheme by any other country, if it

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Speaker 2: has to be repatriated, you are not the investor that

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Speaker 2: we are looking for. We want people who are here

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Speaker 2: with their money long term, and it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 2: scheme it is. It's not anti any country. We want

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Speaker 1: Right appreciate your time is always there can Stanford Education, Immigration,

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