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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story,

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Speaker 2: That'd be It's good afternoon to you. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: afternoon of the twenty third of January. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickenson for Heather duc Allen,

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Speaker 2: who's on maternity leave. What's on the program today, Well,

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Speaker 2: tourism is now at eighty six percent of pre COVID levels,

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Speaker 2: So is that satisfactory? Can we grow these numbers or

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Speaker 2: have that story? In two minutes time? Christopher luxon State

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Speaker 2: of the Nation's speech and plans to grow the economy.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk with Trade and Investment Minister Tom

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Speaker 2: McClay just after five. Why are the postmatch interviews at

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Speaker 2: the Australian Open so awkward? We'll take you to Melbourne

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Speaker 2: and Prince Harry takes the money and runs, so what's

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Speaker 2: that about. We'll talk with Royal commentator Victoria Arbatur, We'll

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Speaker 2: talk with correspondence from around the world and around New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: You can text ninety two ninety two small charge flies

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Speaker 2: and you can email Dickens at news Talks. Heb dot

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Speaker 2: co dot ian z. It is eight after four Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 2: So I missed the Prime Minister's State of the Nation's

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Speaker 2: and that is probably a more accurate state of the

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Speaker 2: nation today as the holiday mode lingers. So anyway, I

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Speaker 2: walked into the newsroom and I said, sir, what happened

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Speaker 2: today with the State of the nation. And my producer

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Speaker 2: Laura said, they're going to create a new government agency

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Speaker 2: called invest New Zealand to attract foreign investors. I said, so,

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Speaker 2: the government that hates public servants and government spending is

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Speaker 2: going to spend government money employing public servants to sell

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Speaker 2: government agency tells them to. That's exactly what the Taxpayer's

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Speaker 2: Union said, said Laura. So what else did he say?

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Speaker 2: I said, well, Chris Reluxe and reckons that New Zealand

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Speaker 2: says no too often. No, I said, you don't say, so,

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Speaker 2: who are we talking to, Christopher Luxon? No, said Laura.

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Speaker 2: He said, no, no kidding. I said, what else? Were

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Speaker 2: Tom McLay five oh five, So obviously could tell I

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Speaker 2: was initially underwhelmed, and now I've watched the speech and

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Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister described the problems we're in very well,

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Speaker 2: and there's nothing overly wrong with the ideas that have

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Speaker 2: We need the money, but there's calls for a new

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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty one thousand tourists came into the

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Speaker 2: We've got tourism Industry Alterior CEO, Rebecca Ingram with us

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Speaker 2: right now. Hello, Rebecca, good afternoon. Six consecutive months of

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Speaker 2: So is that satisfactory.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's certainly room for growth, is what I would say.

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Speaker 3: And so as an industry, we're delighted to see such

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Speaker 2: Actually, through the years we've seen growth. You know, why

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there was an opportunity for us to

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Speaker 3: competes globally. Tourism is a global business after all, so

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Speaker 2: Well, whose responsibility is this? Is it the government or

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Speaker 3: Well, some of the things are differently in the government's camp.

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Speaker 3: I am optimistic as long as we do some things

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Speaker 3: It's also important, though, as we're thinking about growth, that

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, look, let's talk about China, because Silon Bridges reckons.

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Speaker 2: Well, the ideas that have been floated around the place

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Speaker 2: Would you support that?

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Speaker 3: I think these are some of the things that other

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Speaker 2: This is a slightly petty question, but I think it's

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Speaker 2: called your organization is called Tourism Industry al TAH. So

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Speaker 3: Tourism Industry is a business association much like Business New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: So my members are tourism businesses in New Zealand. Tourism

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. Differentiation and I thank you so

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Speaker 2: Tourism Industry. I'll tear raw and it is four to

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Speaker 2: fifteen now. It's fear to say I'm feeling a bit

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Speaker 2: I started watching the AUCNDFC match against Adelaide and that

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Speaker 2: Look, we've just had a statement through from the police

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Speaker 2: I'm tired, I'm dusty because I started watching football went

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Speaker 8: It was stunning. It last nine minutes was freak show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah true, and look at it. We went all the

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Speaker 2: Wear the shirt tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Watching that game closely and trying not to shout because

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Speaker 2: And it was really good football.

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Speaker 7: So go the FC take that and now it's one

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Speaker 2: the game had everything, and the crowd went off, fifteen

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Speaker 2: watching the Sinner game and Ciner was just another level completely.

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Speaker 2: But the other big thing about the open and we're

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Speaker 2: Ben Shelton, the guy was number one seed in Auckland,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and so he should. This is interesting. People would

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Speaker 7: These guys in the middle of the court, they've got

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Speaker 7: No, but good on the American for saying something. And

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Speaker 7: She landed a twelve sixty switch backside that's three and

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Speaker 7: Because it's no longer affordable to run the sanctioning fees

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Speaker 8: See how that works.

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected and

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Speaker 2: It's four twenty six now it's speaking of the Australian Open.

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Speaker 11: Tucking myself hours.

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Speaker 2: Heather had her baby yet? Yes, she had her baby

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Speaker 2: They're back. The fires are back in Los Angeles. Tens

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Speaker 12: If your areas under evacuation warning or order. If it's

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Speaker 2: Oo. Okay, So still with America and US President Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is more than a little grumpy with the Bishop

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Speaker 2: Vance was sitting there stony faced as the Bishop of

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Speaker 2: Washington said this, There are.

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Speaker 13: Gay, lesbian, and transgener children in Democratic, Republican and independent families,

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Speaker 2: You should have heard what Joe Rogan said after that.

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Speaker 13: The two groups of people that I mentioned are our

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Speaker 2: Go figure a leftist humanist for the Bishop of Washington,

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Speaker 14: You're as cold as night, you're willing to sacrifice love.

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Speaker 2: A British woman has run a marathon in freezing temperatures

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Speaker 2: It's cold down there too, twenty one to.

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Speaker 1: Five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand, Business.

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Speaker 2: For Australia, we Go. Murray Olds joins the hell.

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Speaker 15: I Buz from very good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Who would Australians prefer as Prime Minister?

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Speaker 15: Well, surprise, surprise, Peter Dutton. This is a brand new

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Speaker 15: this morning of the it is shocking news. I don't

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Speaker 15: People didn't like him, They in fact hated him. He

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Speaker 5: But here's the.

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Speaker 15: preferred Prime Minister Peter Dutton's ahead thirty nine to thirty four.

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Speaker 15: last time round, that slipped from eleven to ten. The

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Speaker 15: Labor government looks to be in trouble, but it's only

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Speaker 15: one pole.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but welcome to twenty twenty five, Murray, you know,

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Speaker 2: because it's not about Peter Dutton. None of that is

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Speaker 2: about Peter Dutton. It's all about the incumbents and the

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Speaker 2: jurisdictions and sovereignties all over the world. It's all about

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Speaker 2: the incumbents and if the economy goes bad, they'll vote

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Speaker 2: for a polar bee, I tell you.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 15: Well let's speaking to the right, aren't they.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now what is Who are the police in Australia

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Speaker 2: blaming for the anti Semitic attacks?

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Speaker 15: Well, this is a very moving face. So I can

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Speaker 15: let you know. Just a few minutes ago we heard

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Speaker 15: confirmation that the second person has been arrested over the

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Speaker 15: attempt a couple of weeks back now to fire bomber

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Speaker 15: Synagogue and Newtown, which is in the Inn and West.

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Speaker 15: The guy was tasered by police at a pub near

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Speaker 15: the CBD at lunchtime today. Now this follows the arrest

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Speaker 15: of a second person they were looking for over that

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Speaker 15: fire bomb attack. So we've had eight separate attacks on

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Speaker 15: different Jewish institutions. If you like two synagogues, you've got

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Speaker 15: a childcare center, you've got a private home, you've got

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Speaker 15: cars vandalized and set on fire and so on. So

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Speaker 15: eight attacks in three months. Now, you know. The federal

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Speaker 15: police came out this week on Tuesday. They gave an

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Speaker 15: address to National Cabinet, which is of course Anthony Albanezi

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Speaker 15: and all the state and territory leaders as well. What's

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Speaker 15: going on? Ask the politicians, well said the federal police.

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Speaker 15: Would you believe, like Maxwell Smith, did you believe there

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Speaker 15: could be foreign actors overseas paying local criminals here to

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Speaker 15: go and carry out these deeds? Well though, and behold

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Speaker 15: today we've had the new South Wales State Police commissioner

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Speaker 15: and she has said, well, guess what this could be

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Speaker 15: like air tasker. These could be people air tasking these

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Speaker 15: attacks on synagogues. I heard at lunchtime today it could

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Speaker 15: be in at least one case, possibly more. Someone's called

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Speaker 15: in a drug debt, We'll forgive your drug debt to

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Speaker 15: us if you go and fire bomb a synagogue. Now

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Speaker 15: they were apparently threatening the family of the people who

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Speaker 15: owed the money to the drug dealers. So this is

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Speaker 15: entirey now into a whole new space. It's not just

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Speaker 15: police hunting bad guys that I mean. This whole notion

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Speaker 15: of air tasking criminal activity is pretty frightening to be Frank,

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Speaker 15: welcome to.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five money. This is this is globalism ritt lards,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. So there we go. Hey, So the Australian

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Speaker 2: open is awesome. But the interviewers are terrible. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about that next hour. But what I didn't realize.

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Speaker 2: I thought, because the Ossie openers like top tier, that

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Speaker 2: they would pay the ball boys and ball girls. But

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Speaker 2: they don't.

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Speaker 15: What No, and I guess what people are saying. Listen,

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Speaker 15: you tight so and so pay the ball boys and

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Speaker 15: ball girls. Don't get anything off. They get a shirt,

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Speaker 15: you know, they might get some socks and get a

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Speaker 15: food allowance.

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Speaker 2: But they get to hang. They get to hang with

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Speaker 2: their heroes and be inspired.

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Speaker 15: Yeah. Great, it doesn't pay the bills. And as the

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Speaker 15: Australian Children's Commissioner said this morning, listen, young people, young

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Speaker 15: people working at the Open. They are not immune to

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Speaker 15: cost of living pressures. They're not all living at home

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Speaker 15: with mommy and daddy. They're out there trying to pay

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Speaker 15: the rent, get themselves through UNI and so on. Pay them.

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Speaker 15: Social media has blown up deluxe over this. All kids

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Speaker 15: at the US Open get fifteen bucks US an hour

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Speaker 15: wibbled and they get three hundred and fifty dollars a

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Speaker 15: week the Australian Open. They may be able to get

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Speaker 15: a burger at lunchtime and some cold French fries. Yuck.

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Speaker 15: There's the thing. I mean the Australian Open. They're out

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Speaker 15: there and all sorts of weather, sweating and little faces off.

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Speaker 15: And guess what the winners of the of the men's

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Speaker 15: and women's singles three point one five million if you're

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Speaker 15: a first round losing it one hundred and twenty k.

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Speaker 15: These kids get nothing. Does that sound fair to you?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I don't have an opinion on such things, but no

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Speaker 2: it doesn't. You're quite right, and I thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Murray Olds from Australia. Here are news salts here being

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Speaker 2: so we had a text through from being saying, look

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Speaker 2: at the woke lift are falling apart all over the world. Well,

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Speaker 2: how how does that explain what happened to the Inger Conservatives?

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Speaker 2: I think what we're hearing with Alberanizi and other results

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Speaker 2: around the place. If you're in charge of an economy

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Speaker 2: that falls over, you go, no matter who's on the

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Speaker 2: other side. And that's a warning for everybody, perhaps even

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Speaker 2: our own government. Here it is fourteen to five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments

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Speaker 1: certainty to five Jason Wall's good.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, Oh, good afternoon, Andrew how are you good? Christopher

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Speaker 2: Luxin's done the State of the Nation speech. He's upset

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Speaker 2: the Greens. He says, we say no too much. There's

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Speaker 2: a new agency and he surprises though in his speech nothing.

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Speaker 16: Too spectacularly surprising. I mean, as I alluded to yesterday,

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Speaker 16: one of the focuses on his speech was about more

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Speaker 16: mining in New Zealand and lux instead it needs to

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Speaker 16: play a bigger role in the economy. In terms of specifics,

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Speaker 16: he didn't really get into that level of nitty gritty,

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Speaker 16: but he did say that it was easy to say

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Speaker 16: what you want when you have a sovereign wealth fund

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Speaker 16: like Norway or much higher incomes like Australia, but it's

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Speaker 16: much harder to say you want the oil and mining

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Speaker 16: that pays for it. And then he went on to

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Speaker 16: talk about regions like Taranaki in the West Coast. There

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Speaker 16: is big economic opportunities there with high incomes and support

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Speaker 16: for local businesses and family and he wants to see

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Speaker 16: more mining in New Zealand and more bolstering of that sector.

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Speaker 16: He also Andrew was talking about how it was quite

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Speaker 16: helpful for the environmental side in terms of more mining

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Speaker 16: being critical for the climate transition. He talked about evs,

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Speaker 16: solar panels and data centers that are needed to make

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Speaker 16: clean energy and he said that they quote aren't made

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Speaker 16: out of thin air. Of course, the Greens weren't particularly

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Speaker 16: happy about that. Chloe Swarbick took aim with a number

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Speaker 16: of things in his speech and said that there's no

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Speaker 16: future in turning our country into a chop shop and

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Speaker 16: selling it critical assets for parts. And meanwhile, the Labor

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Speaker 16: Party who had its caucus retreat today as well, it's

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Speaker 16: been a week for retreats around the country. Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 16: was showing not a lot of optimism for the speech either. However,

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Speaker 16: he wasn't really getting into any of Labour's new playbook

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Speaker 16: of policies, saying only that announcements would be made in

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Speaker 16: the coming months.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking to Tom McClay about the State of

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Speaker 2: the Nation's speech and the new agency. Just after five

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Speaker 2: Ratana tomorrow, big day. But David Seymour's not going.

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Speaker 16: He's not And this isn't a particular surprise because David

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Speaker 16: Seymore's never gone to Ratina. It's just not really his

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Speaker 16: in his wheelhouse of things that he likes to do.

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Speaker 16: And he'll be as I understand that the only political

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Speaker 16: leader not there in terms of representing their party. What

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Speaker 16: some would say, you know, Ratna is the start of

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Speaker 16: the political year, which is a phrase that I always hate.

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Speaker 16: But you know, in other years it's been true. Not

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Speaker 16: this year. I think we've had a summer's worth of

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Speaker 16: political developments happening since Sunday, all in the space of

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Speaker 16: a week. Seymour, as I said, has never gone to

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Speaker 16: Ratina and is certainly not starting this year. He would

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Speaker 16: have got somewhat of a frosty welcome, to say the least.

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Speaker 16: I mean, not that he would have really cared about that.

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Speaker 16: I think it's very deliberate that he's done acts or

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Speaker 16: he's doing act State of the Nation on the same day.

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Speaker 16: It means that he gets to speak in front of

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Speaker 16: a friendly crowd who want to hear from him, rather

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Speaker 16: than the one that frankly doesn't. He will get to

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Speaker 16: lay out his reasons for why he thinks the Treaty's

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Speaker 16: Principals Bill should go ahead in front of essentially a

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Speaker 16: home crowd ahead of the submissions starting next week. In

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Speaker 16: terms of what he's expected to say, well, as I

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Speaker 16: understand it, he's going to lay out the case for

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Speaker 16: even more cuts the government spending. Meanwhile, Luxon will be

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Speaker 16: done in Ratana and he will face the heat from

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Speaker 16: those in attendance because of the treaty's principal bill.

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Speaker 4: But I think he's going to do what he's.

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Speaker 16: Done every other time that he's spoken at a Ratna

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Speaker 16: or White Tangi, which is focusing on the tangible and

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Speaker 16: quantifiable results for Mary he's always talked about. Instead of

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Speaker 16: just talking about lifting mary achievement, he's actually focused on

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Speaker 16: turning it around in some of the key areas, such

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Speaker 16: as the shocking stats in health and education, which I

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Speaker 16: think is the right approach. I mean, if you actually

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Speaker 16: get to start turning around some of these statistics, you

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Speaker 16: don't really have much of an argument that he's not

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Speaker 16: really working and helping for Marty, but he actually needs

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Speaker 16: to do it and these statistics needs to turn around

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Speaker 16: or else he's going to be facing heat from all sides.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but if he ends up targeting people with a

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Speaker 2: skin color, then there's going to be heat from his

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Speaker 2: coalition partners as well. So you know he's going to

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Speaker 2: have to ride or walk on a very thin type rope.

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Speaker 16: Yes, And he always has. It's kind of the rod

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Speaker 16: that he's made himself for this coalition government.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. Can I say I don't understand that?

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Speaker 2: To know, I've always thought it was a bit of

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Speaker 2: an achronism. It's been around for a while, a long time,

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Speaker 2: but so close to white tonguey day it kind of

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Speaker 2: sort of diffuses the message. But it's a lovely church

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Speaker 2: and I've been to that church and it really is

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Speaker 2: quite an architectural marvel. Thanks to your time, Jason. It

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Speaker 2: is now seven to five News Talks at.

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Speaker 9: B putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

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Speaker 17: Breakfast sitsplation has unchanged two point two percent for the

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Speaker 17: year to the non tradeables coming down. So does this

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Speaker 17: give the banks some confidence start dropping rates? Steve Yukovic,

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Speaker 17: the Hewibanks CEO. Does it give you confidence?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It does.

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Speaker 11: And I think you know where we price rates from,

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Speaker 11: which is the two year mark is actually looking pretty stable.

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Speaker 17: And obviously the non tradable coming down is good. But

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Speaker 17: are you worried about the exchange rate?

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Speaker 15: Here?

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Speaker 8: We are.

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Speaker 18: I mean the fact that our interest rates are coming

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Speaker 18: down makes the New Zealand dollar.

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Speaker 11: Less attractive, which means everything that we import, like petrol

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Speaker 11: and things like that, goes up in price.

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Speaker 19: But ultimately it looks like people's confidence is picking up

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Speaker 19: slightly and we think the second half of this calendar

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Speaker 19: year will be much better.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on the my Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with the range rover of the line on

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Speaker 1: News Talks, that'd be it's.

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Speaker 2: For minus to five. We're heading towards the news and

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Speaker 2: sport in a few moments time. Texts on ninety two

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Speaker 2: ninety two small charge does apply and someone, in fact

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Speaker 2: the number of people have said basically but that to

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Speaker 2: that is an opportunity for political leaders to virtue signal,

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Speaker 2: and that's all it is. I get that it's very

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Speaker 2: important to the Maori people. I understand that as well,

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Speaker 2: and it has been important to the Maori people for

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Speaker 2: very long time. But it's a very hard place to

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Speaker 2: get to. It's in the middle of nowhere, and you

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Speaker 2: get up there and yes, the Marley Queen is there

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Speaker 2: and the rights and the church is there, and there's

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Speaker 2: a bit of speechifying and then of course a week

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Speaker 2: later we're doing it all over again. On White Tongue,

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Speaker 2: You day which is our national day. So it just

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Speaker 2: seems to me to be a double up and an anachronism.

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Speaker 2: And anyway, like I say, a very lovely church. Now

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Speaker 2: on the way, we're going to Melbourne for the Tennis Open.

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Speaker 2: I've been watching the tennis religiously and it has been

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Speaker 2: some of the best tennis I've seen for ages, not

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Speaker 2: only because of course it's in a time zone that

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Speaker 2: we can actually watch this thing, but I have cringed

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Speaker 2: watching the postmatch interviews with Australians coming on and talking

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Speaker 2: to these international superstars and it's just awkward and I think, well,

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Speaker 2: this isn't the player's fault because they're just being players.

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Speaker 2: This is obviously the commentator. So what has gone on there?

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Speaker 2: And as Australia embarrassed. So we will go to Melbourne shortly.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to go to the UK because Harry

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Speaker 2: took the money and ran after suing this son's publisher

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Speaker 2: after saying he never would. So that's interesting. But the

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Speaker 2: big interview is with Tom McClay, Trade and Investment Minister,

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Speaker 2: the State of the Nation. He wants us to become

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Speaker 2: like Singapore or Ireland. I've got a new agency to

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Speaker 2: get out there and find foreign investment. So how will

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Speaker 2: that work? Will it work? Tom McLay is joining us

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Speaker 2: in about seven minutes time here on news Talks.

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Speaker 5: He'll be.

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Speaker 20: This man, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you

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Speaker 20: trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Andrew dickens on hither duplicy Alan Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 5: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome on into the twenty third of January

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Thank you so much for choosing us.

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Speaker 2: My name is Andrew Dickinson for Heather. So the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister has laid out his vision to grow the economy

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Speaker 2: because to day was the day he presented his State

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Speaker 2: of the Nation speech. He did it this afternoon at

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. In the speech, he said a culture of

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Speaker 2: saying no is holding us back. And he also announced

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Speaker 2: that they're going to create a new government agency to

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Speaker 2: attract foreign investment. So the Trade and Investment Minister is

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Speaker 2: Tom McLean and McLay sorry, and he joins us.

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Speaker 21: Now, Hella Todd, Hey, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So the Taxpayer's Union said people don't invest in the

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Speaker 2: country because the government agency tells them to.

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Speaker 22: So what do you say to that, well, they're right,

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Speaker 22: but they certainly don't invest in a country when government

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Speaker 22: agencies tell them not to.

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Speaker 21: And I think that's very much been the case in

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Speaker 21: New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: It's harder to invest here than it should be. And

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Speaker 22: if we take Singapore as an example, they had thirty

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Speaker 22: one pero percent increase in their foreign direct investment last

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Speaker 22: year we had about five percent. So they Ireland also

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Speaker 22: doing something well that we're not. That the agency that

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Speaker 22: we have in New Zealand is modeled on there is,

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Speaker 22: but it's going to be very very different because the

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Speaker 22: taxpayer at Union is right. If I was an investor,

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Speaker 22: I wouldn't come and ask a government department to run

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Speaker 22: my company for me. I would find the experts and

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Speaker 22: know what they're doing. And part of the job chrys

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Speaker 22: Lux's given me is to find those New Zealanders here

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Speaker 22: and overseas that are already active in investment and in

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Speaker 22: doing deals and sort of track their talent so that

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Speaker 22: we can get our fair share of foreigners money in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand to grow the economy.

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Speaker 2: Now, you are right, Ireland and Singapore have government backed

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Speaker 2: investment to agencies. But the thing about those sovereignties is

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Speaker 2: that they also have tax breaks for foreign corporates. So

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Speaker 2: do we need to look at corporate tax rates to

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Speaker 2: become more attractive.

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Speaker 22: Well, we certainly need to make sure that our tax

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Speaker 22: system is competitive, particularly to Australia, but that's not the

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Speaker 22: only reason that they have investment in those parts of

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Speaker 22: the world.

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Speaker 21: They often make it a lot easier than we do.

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Speaker 22: I remember many years ago meeting somebody from Malaysia that

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Speaker 22: was looking to invest in a hotel in New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: They chose Australia. In the end it was a very

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Speaker 22: big investment because when they turned up here are talking

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Speaker 22: to a bit of the government and they were sent

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Speaker 22: off to the Auckland councilor to talk to some guy

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Speaker 22: whose job it is to work through consents, and they

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Speaker 22: decided to take their capital elsewhere. So what we will

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Speaker 22: be doing is finding some of the best people in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand, some will be in government, many will not be,

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Speaker 22: to join us and to put the welcome mat out

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Speaker 22: to go and meet these people around the world and

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Speaker 22: to put those deals together for them with New Zealand companies,

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Speaker 22: to bring the investment here for new companies in infrastructure

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Speaker 22: and so on, you know. But I think the example

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Speaker 22: of Ireland and Singapore is a very good one for

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Speaker 22: us to model ourselves on and emulate because anything they've

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Speaker 22: done on taxis side, they are much better than we are,

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Speaker 22: and they are wealthy, wealthier countries for that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a note to corporate text breaks well, it's.

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Speaker 22: Not one of the competences that invest New Zealand has.

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Speaker 21: Our job will be to get people to come in

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Speaker 21: and invest here.

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Speaker 22: I was in the UA with the Prime Minister last

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Speaker 22: week and we met with one of the sovereign wealth

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Speaker 22: funds and they said to us, we haven't invested in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand because we thought maybe you wouldn't want us to.

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Speaker 21: Might look at other parts of the world.

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Speaker 22: Look, they're investing pretty significantly with their one point seven

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Speaker 22: trillion dollars in renewable energy and bio energy, and we've

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Speaker 22: got big opportunities there. They asked me if we issue

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Speaker 22: new banking licenses here, because they have gone in and

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Speaker 22: set up domestic banks and other parts of the world,

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Speaker 22: so that they were not sure that we, you know,

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Speaker 22: would welcome their investment, or we thought we were too

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Speaker 22: small in itself, tells we were missing big opportunities. But

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Speaker 22: you should we should judge the success of this new

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Speaker 22: agency not on the number of reports that have done.

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Speaker 22: I don't want reports on the number of deals that

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Speaker 22: are done in the money that comes into New Zealand

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Speaker 22: that creates jobs and growsy economy.

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Speaker 2: So will you be going out into the employment workforce

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Speaker 2: and shoulder tapping people who actually have the skills to

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Speaker 2: go out and sell New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: Yes, we will be having a look in New Zealand

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Speaker 22: and New Zealanders around the world. I with Chris Sucks

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Speaker 22: and when we're overseas meet many of them. They've got really,

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Speaker 22: really good ideas.

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Speaker 21: You know. It will be a mix. I think from

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Speaker 21: New Zealand Trading.

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Speaker 22: We have a group there that does investment advice already

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Speaker 22: they are good at what they do. But we want

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Speaker 22: a single focus and we want the expertise and the

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Speaker 22: experience of people who have put deals together. So we

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Speaker 22: will be looking in New Zealand and around the world

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Speaker 22: for the talent that we need. We have thirty eight

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Speaker 22: percent a foreign directive investment compared to GDP. The OECD

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Speaker 22: average is fifty percent. We should aim for that and

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Speaker 22: actually try and exceed it. It's going to take some

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Speaker 22: time to work out the best ways to do this,

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Speaker 22: but we're not going to take forever.

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Speaker 21: We want the first deals rolling through the door this year.

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Speaker 2: Good luck to you and I thank you. That is

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Speaker 2: Tomic Clay Trade Minister. It is twelve minutes ouf for

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Speaker 2: Fine Andrew Dickins Well. Donald Trump has done his first

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Speaker 2: sit down TV interview. It was with Fox News and

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I'm just been looking at it

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Speaker 2: and he looks perky. He looks good. I mean, and

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Speaker 2: I say this because he's had a big week. You know,

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Speaker 2: He's had the inauguration that was a massive day. He's

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Speaker 2: seventy eight years old. He's done a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: He's talked a lot of talk. He's danced a lot

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Speaker 2: of dancing. It must be the diet cokes. But he's

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Speaker 2: looking good. And he sat down with Sean Hannity. He

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Speaker 2: told Fox News is Sean Hannity in fact, that at

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Speaker 2: the end of his first term, he was asked whether

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Speaker 2: he wanted to pardon himself and his associates.

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Speaker 5: I was given the option.

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Speaker 23: They said, sir, would you like to pardon everybody, including yourself?

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Speaker 23: I said, I'm not going to pardon anybody.

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Speaker 9: We didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: He could have preemptively pardoned himself. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden just did. But no, he did not. And

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Speaker 2: he then went on to defend the decision to pardon

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Speaker 2: those fifteen hundred people who were involved in the Capital riots,

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Speaker 2: including those who injured police officers.

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Speaker 23: Number of reason number. When they were in there for

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Speaker 23: three and a half years, a long time and in

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Speaker 23: many solitary confinement, treated like nobody's ever been treated so badly.

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Speaker 23: They were treated like the worst criminals in history.

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Speaker 2: And in the interview, he's clearly still counting his blessings

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Speaker 2: for surviving that assassination attempt in Pennsylvania that was last July.

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Speaker 23: That that guns are very accurate gun and that a

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Speaker 23: bad shooter would hit the target one hundred.

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Speaker 9: Percent of the time.

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Speaker 5: You can't miss.

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Speaker 23: They said, it's like for a golfer sinking a one

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Speaker 23: foot put.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe you've changed, Is this, for example, increased

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Speaker 2: your faith in God?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 23: I don't think I've changed, but I think that has

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Speaker 23: taken place here because when you look at statistically, I

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Speaker 23: should never be here.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it is amazing. It's one inch and the entire

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Speaker 2: course of history for twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: for the entire twenty fifth century, would have been changed,

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Speaker 2: and yet it didn't. But it still hit him on

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Speaker 2: the ear. It's just extraordinary. It is five fourteen. The

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Speaker 2: interviews after the Australian Open matches have been painful, awkward

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Speaker 2: and not at all funny. So why we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into this in a moment as we take you

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Speaker 2: It is five seventeen. So the after match interviews at

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Speaker 2: the Australian Open have been awkward and this has come

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Speaker 2: out and become news because the Australian Open semi finalist

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Speaker 2: Ben Shelton came out and mouthed off about it at

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Speaker 2: a press conference last night and he is not happy

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Speaker 2: with the performance of those court side interviewers.

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Speaker 24: I've been a little bit shocked this week with how

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Speaker 24: players have been treated by the broadcasters. And I don't

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Speaker 24: think that the guy who who mocked Novak, I don't

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Speaker 24: think that was just a.

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Speaker 9: Single event.

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Speaker 2: And he also came out and said some of the

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Speaker 2: questions interviewers have asked him and the other players have

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Speaker 2: been disrespectful.

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Speaker 5: Today on the court.

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Speaker 24: Hey Ben, how does it feel that, no matter who

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Speaker 24: you play in your next match, no one's going to

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Speaker 24: be cheering for you. I just don't think a comment

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Speaker 24: that's respectful from a guy I've never met before in

874
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Speaker 24: my life.

875
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Speaker 2: And this, of course, as he mentioned, comes only a

876
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Speaker 2: few days after Novak Djokovic's big old stoush with Channel

877
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Speaker 2: nine's Tody Jones. So Craig Gabriel is how correspondent at

878
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Speaker 2: the Australian Open and joins us now, Hella.

879
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Speaker 9: Craig her Andrew good to be with you.

880
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: What's wrong with these people?

881
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 6: I think you know what it is. They're missing the

882
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 6: aussy sense of humor. They're losing in a translation, they're

883
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 6: not quite getting it. I think things that get a

884
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 6: bit casual in the time to be here, and they

885
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 6: try to be a bit funny and amusing it lighthearted

886
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 6: for the fans over here, and a lot of the

887
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Speaker 6: players and some of the well certainly the foreign ones

888
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 6: are not quite getting it. But then again, in most

889
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 6: cases with Americans, you've got to hit them over with

890
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 6: a sledgehammer over the head before they'll understand a joke.

891
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: Now, hold on, are you blaming the players or because personally,

892
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: I think the interviewers have got the wrong end of

893
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: the stick. They should know this, they should be pros.

894
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: Look in all seriousness about it. I think some of

895
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 6: them have gone a little bit far. What I'm not

896
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Speaker 6: getting are the length of the questions. They are going forever,

897
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Speaker 6: Whereas at one stage you'd want to get the question

898
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 6: then quick, smart, so it gives the player the opportunity

899
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Speaker 6: to respond in a longer, better fashion. But certainly there

900
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Speaker 6: are some instances where things have probably gone a little

901
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 6: bit too far, a little bit too familiar. I would

902
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Speaker 6: say it's probably a good word with some of the

903
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 6: questions to players, and I understand some of the responses.

904
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Speaker 6: Some of these players are pretty young and they're not

905
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Speaker 6: quite getting it okay.

906
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Speaker 2: So the guys who do the interviews, are they employed

907
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Speaker 2: by ten or nine or are they employed by the

908
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Speaker 2: Aussie Open? So who's putting them in front of these people?

909
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Speaker 5: Both?

910
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 6: It's a combination, and the on court interviews are essentially

911
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 6: part of the general broadcast the world feed aspect, so

912
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 6: Channel nine picks up that they've got the commentators, So

913
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Speaker 6: those commentators are coming down and doing most of the interviews.

914
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Speaker 2: So whose side is the Australian public on? Are they

915
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: embarrassed by the interviewers or are they are they amused

916
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: by the players reactions?

917
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 6: You know, not much as far as I'm aware, has

918
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Speaker 6: really been said by the Australian public. A lot of

919
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 6: this really came up with came up on two occasions,

920
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Speaker 6: one with the Tony Jones issue with Novak Djokovic and

921
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 6: his fans, and the second one is Ben Shelton actually

922
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 6: making a statement of that statement you just played during

923
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 6: his post match one of his post match media conferences

924
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: right at the very end. So those have been essentially

925
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Speaker 6: the two main aspects that have brought this to light.

926
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Speaker 6: But you know, I think some of the things that

927
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Speaker 6: have been said probably would have been better not said.

928
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Speaker 6: And with things that being I guess a little bit

929
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Speaker 6: touchy on how things are spoken of these days. I

930
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 6: think you've got to be a little bit careful. But

931
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 6: some of it is rather funny. I mean, like some

932
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Speaker 6: of the stuff that Jim Courier does with plays and

933
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 6: he had a wonderfully change with you Sinner yesterday on

934
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Speaker 6: court and there was a lot laughing about it.

935
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Speaker 9: So, hey, Jim is brilliant.

936
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Speaker 2: So I was going to say, Craig, I watch a

937
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Speaker 2: lot of tennis. I am sleep deprived at the moment.

938
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm watching the Australian Open. I watched the US Open.

939
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Speaker 2: I can tell you Jim is great. He's got the manor,

940
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: he's got the authority. He's been there, he's done it,

941
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: and he has just the most wonderful style. Just get

942
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Speaker 2: him to do all of the interviews from quarterfinals on.

943
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Speaker 6: Maybe that's what will happen. I think Elena Docket has

944
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 6: had also a very good rapport with a lot of

945
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 6: the players, the female players in particular. So you know

946
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 6: there's another one. So I think Todd Woodbridge is very

947
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 6: good as well. So you know there are a few

948
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Speaker 6: of them, and then there are some Johnny Matt John

949
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Speaker 6: Mcinho's misses the mark on a lot of occasions as well.

950
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Speaker 5: Well.

951
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Gabriel, and get back to work

952
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: because he works very long. Now, this man great Gabriel.

953
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Speaker 2: Now it is at twenty two minutes half to five.

954
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Speaker 2: This is news Talks.

955
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Speaker 10: He've been.

956
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Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

957
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on hither duplessy Alan drive with one New

958
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talk.

959
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: There'd be it's five twenty five. So these white tonguey

960
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: tribunal appointments by Mildi Minister Tama Portaka, he made them

961
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: last week. They've been raising some eyebrows today with the

962
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: Malordi Party labeling the appointments as our whitewash, saying that

963
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: experienced voices from the Mildi world have been replaced by

964
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: what they call pale stale males. So listening to Tama

965
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: Portaka this morning. I was struck how he can't pronounce

966
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: white tonguey And for a mary Man with some of

967
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: the a's in his name, you'd think you'd no, it's

968
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: a long a and that just came across as ignorant.

969
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: But that's by the bye. Let's look at the pale

970
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: stale males as they've been called. Richard Prebble, former leader

971
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: of ACT, a lawyer, a man has been on a

972
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: number of Malori entity boards. He knows what he's talking

973
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: about about the Marley world. But remember famously, back in

974
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: the day he wanted the tribunal abolished, criticizing the Mildi

975
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: gravy train. But it appears that when the train stops

976
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: at your station, there's no problem. And yes that's a

977
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: little hypocritical, but hey, he's a politician, and you know

978
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: they love getting some public money and their retirement. So

979
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: there we are. Then there's Grant Hatfield. Now he's the

980
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: Manoa to counselor who disapproves of mild receipts, and that

981
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: makes him a fan of democratic process, not statutory appointments.

982
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: And you can't criticize a man for favoring democracy, can you.

983
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: And then there's Philip Crump. Now, Phillip's a very very

984
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: good lawyer both here in the UK. He actually found

985
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: some fame during the Labor administration as he blogged under

986
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: the name Thomas Cranmer, and he would do these dick

987
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: dives into legislation and policy and then hold them up

988
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: to the cold heart logical light of the law, picking

989
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: apart virtue signaling and any sneaky maneuvering. The Malordi Party

990
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: have labeled Philip a conservative. Now come on, I know Philip.

991
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: He was the editor of z B, plus he worked

992
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: a couple of decks desks away from me. He's a

993
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: nice bloke. I wouldn't call him a conservative as such,

994
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: but he's certainly a lover of the law and that's

995
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: a good thing. So I have no problem with these

996
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: three men. They all have talents and viewpoints that would

997
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: be helpful. The Maori Party obviously wants a tribunal to

998
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: be solely for the Maori world, and I don't think

999
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: that's what it should be. The tribunal should represent all

1000
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: New Zealand and review the exercise of governors regarding the

1001
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: Treaty of White Tonguey. That's what the treaty was there

1002
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: for having a tribunal that's more representative of New Zealand.

1003
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: I think is a much better way of determining treaty

1004
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: principles than David Seymour's simplistic and divisive Treaty Principles act

1005
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: at the Marlori Party wanting a white tonguey tribunal that

1006
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: is completely Mardi.

1007
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 9: Andrew Dickens.

1008
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: It's five eight. We're off talking to Victoria abtur who

1009
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: is a royal correspondent. I haven't taught her for ages,

1010
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: so this is going to be great about Prince Harry

1011
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: and his settlement. That's next.

1012
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: Informed insight into today's issues. It's Andrew Dickens on Hither

1013
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

1014
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: news talks.

1015
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 5: It'd be on.

1016
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: Scheduity and run just you me would Gie. My name

1017
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: is Andrew Dickenson for Heather Dupercy Ellen, who's on the

1018
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: Turnersy leave. Thank you so much for choosing the program.

1019
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: It is twenty four minutes to six and I'm just

1020
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: listening to the news with Raylen and she's talking about

1021
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: the most stolen car and once again the mighty Toyota

1022
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: Aqua is New Zealand's most stolen car. Why anyone would

1023
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: want to steal such a runt of a car is

1024
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: beyond all of us. We've been debating this in the newsroom,

1025
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: which is not to diss the Toyota Aqua. It is

1026
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: a small, reliable week and the economical vehicle. It is

1027
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: great for a shopping cart. But I mean, why would

1028
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: you come on? Do you have no self respect? You

1029
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: know Aqua's going to come off second in a ram rad.

1030
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: The Aqua cannot outrun the cops, even the cops on horseback,

1031
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 2: and yet it's still the king of the carjacking. And

1032
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: you would have thought the Ford Ranger, which is our

1033
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: most popular car, would have been the most stolen, but

1034
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: it is not. But after much deliberation, I've decided that

1035
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: the reason the criminal fraternity loves to steal the Aqua

1036
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: is because it's easy. So get a steering wheel lock.

1037
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 9: Andrew Dickens Okay.

1038
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: A dispute between Prince Harry and the UK tabloids has

1039
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: finally reached a settlement. Prince Harry has been suing the

1040
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: publisher of the Sun for illegally obtained private information about him,

1041
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: which was obtained between nineteen ninety six and two thousand

1042
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: and one, so it's been very expensive for him that

1043
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: he settled. He has agreed to a deal said to

1044
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: be worth more than twenty million New Zealand dollars and

1045
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: Rupert Murdock's taboids, but not Rupert himself have apologized to

1046
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: him for a serious intrusion into his private life. So

1047
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Royal correspondent Victoria Arbiter. Hello Victoria,

1048
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: good afternoon to you.

1049
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 19: Thank you for having me.

1050
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: How has Prince Harry what's his response been?

1051
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 19: Well, Prince Harry issue a statement via his lawyer and

1052
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 19: he described the outcome the settlement as a monumental win.

1053
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 19: He appeared to be absolutely delighted, if not a little

1054
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 19: relieved that it is all over. You do have to

1055
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 19: wonder if there's a part of him that's a little

1056
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 19: bit disappointed, because he has previously talked about being a

1057
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 19: dragon slayer, holding the figures that involved to account and

1058
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 19: wanting to have his day in court. But at the

1059
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 19: end of the day, the UK justice system is prohibitively

1060
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 19: expensive that the cost would have been absolutely eye watering.

1061
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 19: So hopefully this has given him the closure that he

1062
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 19: had so long for.

1063
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: So earlier in the program, I said, Prince Harry has

1064
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: taken the money and run and people say, well, look no,

1065
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 2: he's held them to account. But the fact is Prince

1066
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: Harry always said the dispute was never about the money

1067
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: he was wanting. It was he wanting yes, an apology, yes,

1068
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: all the admissions, but he was also wanting a verdict.

1069
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: He's not getting that now he's getting a settlement instead.

1070
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: So has he you know, has he has he taken

1071
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: the money and run?

1072
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 19: Well, you raise a number of very valid points here,

1073
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 19: and this is where it becomes quite complicated, certainly online

1074
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 19: he's getting a lot of criticism from people that he

1075
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 19: has settled. And this is what's tricky when you promise

1076
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 19: that you're not going to settle and you're going to

1077
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 19: be a dragon player. And it was just a few

1078
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 19: months ago in a forum with The New York Times

1079
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 19: that he was saying that for him, as you said,

1080
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 19: that this was never about money. It's about justice. It's

1081
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 19: about holding the responsible parties to account. But there is

1082
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 19: only so much litigation one can take. But where it

1083
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 19: becomes really problematic is the UK justice system, which I

1084
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 19: mentioned before, and so without getting too dull about this.

1085
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 19: In the crux of things are if he was offered

1086
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 19: a vast sum of money as a settlement and he

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Speaker 19: chose to turn that down, if he got even one

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Speaker 19: penny less having one from the judge, then he would

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Speaker 19: be responsible for both costs on both sides. That is

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Speaker 19: a sum that I think even some of the world's

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Speaker 19: billionaires wouldn't be able to wouldn't be able to do.

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Speaker 19: So I think he's got part of what he wants,

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Speaker 19: As you mentioned that apology. He got an apology on

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Speaker 19: behalf of his late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales. But

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Speaker 19: what he hasn't achieved is the Sun newspaper being shut down,

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Speaker 19: or individuals personally being held.

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Speaker 2: Responsible, and also giving a president into the law, which

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Speaker 2: could have been handy in the future.

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Speaker 4: But there we are.

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Speaker 2: So this apology wasn't just for Prince Harry, but what

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Speaker 2: about the risk of the royal family who were snooped

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Speaker 2: on as well?

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Speaker 24: Well.

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Speaker 19: Prince William actually was the one that really achieved that.

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Speaker 19: In two thousand and eleven he quietly settled with Murdock.

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Speaker 19: And it's interesting that Prince Harry has previously criticized his

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Speaker 19: brother for settling he thought that that was sort of

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Speaker 19: the coward's way out. I think he was determined not

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Speaker 19: to settle. But interestingly it was Prince William. It was

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Speaker 19: his case that resulted in the News of the World newspaper,

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Speaker 19: another of nngn's titles, being shut down. There were responsible

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Speaker 19: parties there that were convicted and given jail time. William

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Speaker 19: also received a settlement. All of that money he donated

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Speaker 19: to charity, and he received an apology for himself and

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Speaker 19: the wider royal family. I don't think it's right to

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Speaker 19: compare the two brothers because they were sort of fighting

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Speaker 19: to different different battles, if you will. They were doing

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Speaker 19: this independently. But Harry has not achieved quite what his

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Speaker 19: brother did. But what he did get is that the

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Speaker 19: Sun admitted to unlawful practices, which it hasn't done before.

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Speaker 2: Victoria is always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for taking time for us today. That

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Speaker 2: is Victoria Abata Royal correspondented as eighteen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 2: And on the Huddle today we've got Rob cambell Aut

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Speaker 2: Chancellor and former Health New Zealand Chier and Nick Leggett

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Speaker 2: Infrastructured New zeal And Chief Executive. Gentlemen, good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: All right, So the Prime Minister Ladat has planned to

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Speaker 2: grow the economy in the State of the Nation speech

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Speaker 2: today and he mentioned forming a new government agency, which

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Speaker 2: was slightly ridiculed by the taxpayers unions because you know,

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Speaker 2: this is a government agency and they don't like more

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Speaker 2: public servants. But what do you make of the idea

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Speaker 2: of Rob Campbell? Is this a good thing?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 18: I don't often agree with the Taxpayers Union, but they're right.

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Speaker 18: I mean, it's frankly laughable. There are huge amounts of

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Speaker 18: capital around the world and sovereign funds and in private hands,

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Speaker 18: and it constantly that capital constantly scours the world looking

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Speaker 18: for opportunities to invest. The idea that their decisions are

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Speaker 18: going to be in any way influenced by some tinpot

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Speaker 18: little new agency formed in New Zealand to draw attention

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Speaker 18: to this country and what we think are opportunities is frankly.

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Speaker 2: Laugh What do you think, Maca? And reminding you I

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Speaker 2: did talk to Tom McClay before he said he's going

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Speaker 2: to go around the world and shoulder Tap already influential

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders to be part of this agency to go

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Speaker 2: out and do this and this is what happens in

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Speaker 2: Ireland and Singapore.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, look, I agree with the Prime Minister's diagnosis.

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Speaker 14: We're very good at saying no to things in this country.

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Speaker 14: In terms of the solution, I am concerned that a

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Speaker 14: new agency is being seen as the way the truth

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Speaker 14: and the light. Look, it's questionable, right. I'm also worried,

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Speaker 14: you know, what are our settings, our fundamental settings for

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Speaker 14: a foreign investment? Like here are there projects? Are there

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Speaker 14: businesses that are ready to take capital and to grow.

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Speaker 14: It's fine having the welcome at out, but the door's

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Speaker 14: got to be open when the person comes down the mat.

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Speaker 14: And it's really I think a chant for the government

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Speaker 14: to project a long term vision for where the country

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Speaker 14: needs to go and to remember there's significant pools of

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Speaker 14: capital onshore that we should be utilizing as well as

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Speaker 14: foreign investment.

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Speaker 18: Andrew, this stuff is really a joke and it's been

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Speaker 18: going on. The previous government Frankie wasn't much better at it.

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Speaker 18: You might recall them bringing in a two billion dollar

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Speaker 18: fund to invest in sustainable energy projects. Not long ago,

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Speaker 18: one investment from that crowd, it didn't go too good.

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Speaker 5: They've scarped off.

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Speaker 18: This whole idea that it's sort of a cargo cult

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Speaker 18: mentality that success of New Zealand governments have had that

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Speaker 18: there is this money around the world that can be

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Speaker 18: brought in to solve our problems. And frankly, it's an excuse.

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Speaker 18: It's never right, and it's not going to be right

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Speaker 18: this time.

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Speaker 2: There's a bit of a point there, right, because I

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Speaker 2: think Christopher Laxon has often said the governments can't pick winners.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they can pick losers. They're quite good at that.

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Speaker 4: They're very good at that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, gentlemen, back in a few mony time. It is

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Speaker 2: a huddle with Robin Nick and it is fifteen minutes

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Speaker 2: to six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevated Marketing

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Speaker 1: of your Home.

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Speaker 2: With Rob Campbell and Nick Leggett, and it is now

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Speaker 2: twelve to six, and we've talked about national in their

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Speaker 2: state of the nation. Of course that Labour's been meeting

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Speaker 2: as well, and Chris Hipkins has been talking and he

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Speaker 2: said we over promised and we underdelivered, and we're promising

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Speaker 2: now that our phone is back on the hook and

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Speaker 2: we're ready to go. So have you seen any evidence, Nick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 14: I mean the first fit of evidence that people are

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Speaker 14: listening is the Courier poll that came out last week

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Speaker 14: that showed that Labor were ahead of National for the

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Speaker 14: first time since the election.

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Speaker 4: Now it's but one poll, of course.

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Speaker 14: But I think it shows that the uncertain economic environment

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Speaker 14: means that people will be interested in what Labour's got

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Speaker 14: to say. I've been watching and listening very closely to

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Speaker 14: Barbara Edmonds, certainly in the finance and infrastructure areas. You know,

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Speaker 14: she hasn't been barking at every passing car. She supported

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Speaker 14: a lot of Chris Bishop's very sensible system changes, and

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Speaker 14: she's thinking very carefully about tax, about the way the

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Speaker 14: New Zealand economy needs to operate, the way that I

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Speaker 14: know Labor doing wide to thinking about how climate and

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Speaker 14: the economy can better work together. What I think the

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Speaker 14: nation is going to be looking for is economic certainty

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Speaker 14: from either the current government or an opposition government. But

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Speaker 14: I think Labor I've got to show they've done some

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Speaker 14: big thinking that their answer to everything is not restructuring

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Speaker 14: government departments and bureaucratic change. That's not transformation. Transformation is

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Speaker 14: actually impacting people's lives for the better. And I think

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Speaker 14: that's what New Zealanders, you know, are interested in.

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Speaker 2: But that poll, was it actually proof that they're getting

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Speaker 2: better or was it just that of course, nationals in

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Speaker 2: charge of of a failing economy because we've got in

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Speaker 2: Australia Peter. But Peter Dutton is now the preferred prime

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Speaker 2: minister over Albanesi and that's pretty much purely and simply

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Speaker 2: because Albanesi is in charge of a stuttering economy.

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Speaker 14: Well, the old adage is that governance lose elections, oppositions

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Speaker 14: don't win them.

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Speaker 2: That's true, So that doesn't necessarily mean that labor's any better.

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Speaker 18: So what do you think, Rob Well, I think it's

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Speaker 18: just another version what I'm hearing from Chris Hopkins, just

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Speaker 18: another version of I'm less of a cock up than

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Speaker 18: the other guys, which is not the way that New

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Speaker 18: Zealand's going to dig away, dig its way out of

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Speaker 18: its problems. So Labor has to focus on not just

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Speaker 18: what it thinks of the popular issues, it's got to

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Speaker 18: focus on the way that this economy can in the

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Speaker 18: modern world where there is a climate crisis, whether people

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Speaker 18: like to accept it or not, where there is incredible

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Speaker 18: geopolitical uncertainty, and where there is a really damaging level

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Speaker 18: of inequality of not just income but will and power.

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Speaker 18: It has to present a view of how New Zealand

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Speaker 18: can prosper in that world. And that's not just from

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Speaker 18: some kind of minor adjustments around the edge. In amongst that.

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Speaker 18: They've got to put forward some proposals that make some

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Speaker 18: short term benefit to people, but it has to be

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Speaker 18: within a long term context. The worst thing about and

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Speaker 18: they're repeating it, in my opinion, the worst thing about

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Speaker 18: what the current government is doing is that it is

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Speaker 18: pretending to people that they can have genuine better certainty

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Speaker 18: and security and living standards from playing around with the edges,

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Speaker 18: with these new things like mining and all that sort

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Speaker 18: of carry on. It's just to repeat if what we've

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Speaker 18: done before, it won't work, and they all frankly know it,

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Speaker 18: and I think it's very disappointing that Labor is seeking

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Speaker 18: to repeat that.

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Speaker 23: Well.

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Speaker 2: Talking about tear politics, Donald Trump has come out and

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Speaker 2: threatened that to be a putin to go out there

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Speaker 2: make a deal boy and end the Ukraine War. So

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Speaker 2: do you think this is a good tactic or could

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Speaker 2: the deal looked terrible for the Ukraine.

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Speaker 14: Mick, Well, that's I think the risk and the fear

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Speaker 14: of anybody who's listened to Donald Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine

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Speaker 14: over the last months. But to be fair to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 14: what he said previously and now what he's saying as

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Speaker 14: president to Russia appears to be somewhat different. It sounded

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Speaker 14: as though he was sort of going to meet in

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Speaker 14: the middle and that Ukraine tod have to sort of

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Speaker 14: you lose a bit to get a sort of a

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Speaker 14: peace set on one. But he is talking tougher to

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Speaker 14: putin now. Whether that is, of course just bluster, because

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Speaker 14: we know Trump's never met a political tyrant that he

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Speaker 14: hasn't fancied. Whether or not that's the case, we will see.

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Speaker 14: But I have to say I've been more optimistic on

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Speaker 14: what I've heard from Trump on this in the last

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Speaker 14: twenty four hours. But I just I think it's too unpredictable,

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Speaker 14: and really there is too much for you if Europe

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Speaker 14: and the West and the allies around the world to lose.

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Speaker 14: If Ukraine fools in an unjust way, and we can't

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Speaker 14: afford for that to happen many of us.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Rob Well?

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Speaker 18: I am in favor of anything that brings peace and

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Speaker 18: stops people bombing one another. Frankly, so I hope that

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Speaker 18: there is some substance to it, as I hope the

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Speaker 18: substance in many of the other conflicts around the world.

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Speaker 18: But I'm apprehensive that anything that Donald Trump does will

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Speaker 18: be allied to an increase in American power and influence

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Speaker 18: in the world. And I don't think that that is

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Speaker 18: something that we need to be encouraging. But if there's

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Speaker 18: a peace process, if it's a negotiated peace process, then

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Speaker 18: the world should participate in it, not just have it

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Speaker 18: sorted out amongst three tyrants.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Rob Candell and neglect it. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: your thoughts and your opinions. And in seven minutes to six.

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Speaker 1: Red or Blue, Trump or Harrison, who will win the

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Speaker 1: the battleground states? The latest on the US election. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected US talks in B.

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Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is now four to six. Earlier,

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Speaker 2: about half an hour ago, I in passing called David

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Speaker 2: Seymore's Treaty Principles Act divisive, and they've got a couple

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Speaker 2: of texts. Here's one from Rogers, says Andrew, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: to visive about David Seymore's bill. Well, I think there is,

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Speaker 2: because this protests that looks like division to me. All right,

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Speaker 2: that's the first thing. Well. Roger then goes on to say,

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Speaker 2: what's the visive about everyone, regardless of brace, having equal

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Speaker 2: rights and being equal under the law. I agree Roger, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: But what I don't get about David's Treaty Principles Act is.

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Speaker 1: That being.

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Speaker 2: Equal under the law and having equal rights is already

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Speaker 2: covered in the Bill of Rights. The Treaty of White

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Speaker 2: Tonguey looks at the relationship between two sovereign entities. That's

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Speaker 2: what a treaty is. It's between two sovereign agencies. One's

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Speaker 2: Mary and one's the Crown. All right, bill right, so

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Speaker 2: it's for everyone. So why have these three pillars actually

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Speaker 2: repeating a law that's already in place, the Bill of Rights?

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Speaker 2: David's law is the Bill of Rights. We've already got it.

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Speaker 2: But there we go. Now, the government has announced the

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Speaker 2: restructure of these seven Crown research institutes, and he's they've

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Speaker 2: also announced they're going to close down the Color and

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Speaker 2: Innovation Fund. Now is this a worry or not? I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you who'll know our chief science guy, and that's

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Speaker 2: Sir Peter Glackman, who's going to join me in about

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Speaker 2: seven minutes time to tell me what they're doing. He's

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Speaker 2: just written a report about it all, what they're doing

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Speaker 2: and how it will be better or possibly worse. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. We'll find out in seven minutes time. Here

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Speaker 2: O News Talks.

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Speaker 17: Here be infreda god that you never mad me then

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Speaker 17: forget me.

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Speaker 5: Senor made your cabin sor caught your.

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Speaker 10: Mom bed follow ever after all this.

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Speaker 16: To find out for again, even after all the.

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Speaker 1: Time, we're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with HEREW

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Speaker 1: Dickens on News Talks and.

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Speaker 2: B that's good Afterdent, thank you for choosing the program.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens. It is now seven minutes after six.

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Speaker 2: So the government has announced a restructure of the seven

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Speaker 2: Crown Research Institute. So they're going to be merged into

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Speaker 2: three public research organizations and a fourth public research organization

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Speaker 2: will be established to focus on advanced technology. But the

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Speaker 2: government agency Callahan Innovation will be shut down as part

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Speaker 2: of these reforms. So is this good or bad? The

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Speaker 2: shutdown of a innovative agency, the Callahan Innovation Agency. Someone

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Speaker 2: who may very well know is the former Chief Science

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Speaker 2: Advisor to the Prime Minister, Sir Peter Gluckman, who joints. Now,

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Speaker 2: how I Peter, hi, Andrew, You've just done this review

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Speaker 2: and the report was released today, and what did you find?

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Speaker 25: Well, the review looked at the whole architectures on science

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Speaker 25: and innovation system and make to set a recommendations from

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Speaker 25: what happens at the level of cabinet right through to

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Speaker 25: the whole of the sciences and the whole of the

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Speaker 25: innovation system, and then the bits that the cabinets made

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Speaker 25: decisions about already. I would say that about eighty to

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Speaker 25: ninety percent alignment between our report and what government's to

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Speaker 25: sign it. So I'm very impressed with the decisions they've made.

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Speaker 2: But it is fair to say that when when it

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Speaker 2: was first suggested that there were going to be these

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Speaker 2: changes to these science funds, there was a bit of

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Speaker 2: a shock and horror because people believe that we need

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Speaker 2: to fund science publicly as well, because science is good

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Speaker 2: and science can then be monetized if it is good science.

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Speaker 2: So are the moves by the government going to help science.

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Speaker 25: Yes they are, But I mean, I mean strategy must

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Speaker 25: proceed operations, and what this first report about and how

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Speaker 25: the government's responded to it, is about getting the architecture

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Speaker 25: of the system right. We are obviously working and we

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Speaker 25: have a second phase of our work to do, which

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Speaker 25: then government must consider, which will deal with more of

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Speaker 25: the operational details.

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Speaker 2: Does your report find that more government investment needs to

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Speaker 2: go into science, not less.

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Speaker 5: Of course.

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Speaker 25: I mean, I think the international evidence on that is

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Speaker 25: robust and I think our report respect makes that point,

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Speaker 25: but it also says we've got to get the architecture

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Speaker 25: and the basics of it right if we're going to

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Speaker 25: maximize the zeld's advantage from knowledge. I mean, I'm very pleased,

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Speaker 25: for example, that we're going to have that the areas

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Speaker 25: advanced technology which have been not well invested in New

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Speaker 25: Zealand and now identified as a priority good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you've been watching the sector closely, and you've

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Speaker 2: been involved in and you've been advising the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: and so you know all this stuff. The government wants

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Speaker 2: to make sure the four new organizations are spending taxpayers

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Speaker 2: money the best way possible to grow the economy. So

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Speaker 2: in your experience watching the sector, was this not happening already?

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Speaker 5: Well, there were a number of barriers.

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Speaker 25: There were significant barriers which our report described in some detail,

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Speaker 25: which the government's also picked up in its announcements, between

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Speaker 25: knowledge being generated in universities and CRIS and knowledge being

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Speaker 25: able to be exploited. There issues over what we call

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Speaker 25: technology transfer, their issues over intellectual property, the whole lot

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Speaker 25: of issues there, and we've emphasized and the report and

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Speaker 25: some of the government decisions are about actually addressing those barriers.

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Speaker 25: That's key. Secondly, we've actually had a rather incuate public

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Speaker 25: research system where there's lots of duplication, competition between CRIS.

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Speaker 5: Where because of the model they've had.

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Speaker 25: To operate under the incentives they've worked to and I'm

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Speaker 25: not criticizing the boards they work to the incentives they have.

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Speaker 25: We've got duplication, we've got gaps, we haven't got a

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Speaker 25: strategic overside over the system. So whether it cannot possibly

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Speaker 25: be the best way to spend the taxpayers money to

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Speaker 25: advance New Zealand's interests.

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Speaker 2: And having four organizations where there still be enough competition

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Speaker 2: between them just to we write them up.

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Speaker 5: Well, what are we competing for.

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Speaker 25: We're trying to actually develop knowledge which then gets translated

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Speaker 25: to use by the public, by companies and by the government.

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Speaker 25: The government itself is the big user of knowledge. And

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Speaker 25: we've got to be careful what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 25: We want high quality and we want competition to ensure

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Speaker 25: the quality of the research. But do we need three

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Speaker 25: cris all doing aquaculture for example or whatever. Far better

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Speaker 25: to get critical mass so we can do things well,

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Speaker 25: properly and quickly.

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Speaker 2: So from you looking at it, the four organizations aren't

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Speaker 2: going to be stepping on each other's feet.

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Speaker 25: Well, let's be here, is really only we're talking about

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Speaker 25: two really too because ESR has never really functioned in

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Speaker 25: the same way as other as other CRIS. ESR has

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Speaker 25: always been a support to the health system and the

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Speaker 25: police system as a service laboratory with some R and

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Speaker 25: D capacity. It needs to be managed separately because it's

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Speaker 25: a client, either police and the client and the health ministry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I saw it in a say that's different.

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Speaker 5: The Advanced Technology Institute is new.

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Speaker 25: We have nothing in that space at the present time,

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Speaker 25: and what we've done, what the government has done is

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Speaker 25: aggregated and there need to be something about the detail

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Speaker 25: the CRIS that are in the life sciences and CRIS

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Speaker 25: and the environmental science. It's to work better together. I mean,

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Speaker 25: it's a logical development.

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Speaker 2: We also saw in his State of the Nation's speech

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Speaker 2: that Christopher Blaxer was saying that scientists should be motivated

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Speaker 2: to come up with good innovations by being able to

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Speaker 2: share in the monetization of those innovations going forward. Is

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Speaker 2: this a good thing?

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Speaker 25: Well, at the moment is extraordinary different The university staff

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Speaker 25: in most I think in all our universities can benefit

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Speaker 25: when IP is monetarized in different ways, but CRI staff

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Speaker 25: are not. Now is that fear?

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Speaker 5: Is that appropriate?

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Speaker 25: In most parts of the world, all searchers can benefit

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Speaker 25: from the intellectual efforts. The incentive is not there if

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Speaker 25: you cannot get a benefit from making difference development discoveries

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Speaker 25: and an entrepreneurship. If you look at Israel, Singapore, Finland, Denmark, Ireland,

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Speaker 25: every small country we compare ourself to.

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Speaker 5: It does this far better than we do.

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Speaker 25: It's also problematic and that New Zealand has far more

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Speaker 25: of its research activity in research institutes than as a

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Speaker 25: relative proportion of the total research exercise as other countries.

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Speaker 25: And all of these things have been factors that lead

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Speaker 25: to New Zealand being not as productive as it could

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Speaker 25: possibly be in the knowledge world. And remember, and we

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Speaker 25: all know that the future of every country and the

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Speaker 25: advanced world requires it to be at the frontiers of knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very good news that we've still got your

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Speaker 2: eyes casting your eyes over everything. That's very reassuring. And

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Speaker 2: i'd like to thank you for your time today and

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Speaker 2: your experience and obviously your knowledge. Sir Peter Bluckman, thank

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Speaker 2: you so very very much.

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Speaker 8: It is now.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen Analysis from the Experts, bringing you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know on the US election. It's The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR the HR solution

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Speaker 1: for busy SMEs used talks.

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Speaker 5: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to Liam Dan while the air brak was on,

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Speaker 2: which meant that I'm a late in coming back into

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Speaker 2: the radio programs. So I'm very pleased to welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the program, Liam Dan, our Business editor at large.

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Speaker 2: How are you, leam hell Andrew? I can say happy

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Speaker 2: New Year because it's the guess we're still in January?

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Speaker 5: Why not? All right?

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister had a State of the Nation speech today.

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Speaker 2: He laid out his vision to grow the economy. He

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Speaker 2: says a culture of saying no is holding us back.

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Speaker 2: There's always a reason to say no.

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Speaker 14: But if we keep saying no, I'm telling you we'll

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Speaker 14: keep going nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I made a slight joke about this earlier, Liam, because

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Speaker 2: we asked Christopher Luxan to come on and talk with

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Speaker 2: us today and he said no.

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Speaker 26: He has set himself up, hasn't, he wrote, But anytime

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Speaker 26: he says to anything now, he's kind of got. And

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Speaker 26: I have a couple of ideas along those lines too,

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Speaker 26: So I actually think I really agree with the sentiment

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Speaker 26: of the speech today. I like what they're doing. I

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Speaker 26: think we need more foreign direct investment, we need to

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Speaker 26: sharpen up on the commercial side around science. I'm all

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Speaker 26: for all that.

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Speaker 5: But he.

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Speaker 26: Talked quite a lot, specifically about Singapore and Ireland and

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Speaker 26: their models and how he's studied them and he's talked

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Speaker 26: about this before, and how this is where we're going.

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Speaker 26: We're going to have a specialist foreign Direct Investment office

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Speaker 26: invest in New Zealand, you know, like the Irish. But

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Speaker 26: what he's kind of missed and he could say yes

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Speaker 26: to these ideas but he won't is that and he

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Speaker 26: knows this stuff too, he hasn't missed it. But the

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Speaker 26: reason Ireland has such a fantastic track record with foreign

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Speaker 26: direct investment is because they've cut the corporate tax for

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Speaker 26: foreign direct investors, so there's a real incentive. It's not just.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well that I said exactly that to Tom McLay. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they do have government agencies, but they also have foreign

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Speaker 2: tax breaks as well for corporates that come here, so

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Speaker 2: you can't compare the two similarly. Singapore, you know all

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Speaker 2: the businesses are owned by this state.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, well, there's a massive compulsory saving scheme there and

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Speaker 26: they require I mean, their taxes are low, but they

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Speaker 26: require everyone who works to save about twenty percent of

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Speaker 26: their income, which is then matched by the employers, so

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Speaker 26: that these enormous funds and that gets invested back into

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Speaker 26: the country and their own infrastructure and their own science

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Speaker 26: and technology. So that's another idea. So these are things

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Speaker 26: that they could just do. I mean, you know, if

1515
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 26: you're talking about it can do kind of attitude, I agree,

1516
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 26: you could just do it. Whereas, look, I understand the

1517
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 26: reality is we're too broke to do that at the moment.

1518
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: So they're talking hot on twenty percent of something is

1519
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 2: better than well, you've got to stay percent of nothing.

1520
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 26: Yeah, you've got to start somewhere. But the tax I

1521
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 26: think that. You know, there's a couple of problems. One

1522
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 26: is political that on the one hand, they've got act

1523
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,799
Speaker 26: on one side who would be happy to go along

1524
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 26: with the lower tacks but doesn't like the compulsory super

1525
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 26: And then they've got New Zealand first on the other

1526
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 26: side that probably quite likes the savings and investment of Singapore,

1527
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 26: but doesn't like the low tax and the foreign direct

1528
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 26: investment stuff. So they are a bit hamstrung by the

1529
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 26: political situation around it. There also are the centrists national

1530
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 26: are taking a more moderate approach. But yeah, I mean

1531
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 26: I really like they're doing. I like the direction, I

1532
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 26: like the vibe, the cultural shift that's required. I just

1533
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 26: think that it just isn't quite transformational there yet. And

1534
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 26: if you wanted to really be transformational, you would just

1535
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 26: do stuff the way that they used to do in

1536
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 26: the eighties and nineties.

1537
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 2: And my next question for you was to use the

1538
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: word vibe. Yeah, and it was so based on all

1539
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: of that today's announcement. Do they have teeth or are

1540
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: they just vibes? Well, I think it is.

1541
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:03,839
Speaker 26: Look, it's possible that we can make the whole process easier,

1542
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 26: you know, But but what are we saying here with that?

1543
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 26: You know, Zealand nz TE already does this stuff but

1544
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 26: maybe hasn't been focused enough. What are we saying that

1545
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 26: the companies that wanted to invest here were finding the

1546
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 26: website too difficult to use, and we're going to do

1547
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 26: a better website. Or you know, these are hard nosed investors.

1548
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 26: They will come here, you know, if they want to

1549
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 26: come here, they'll come here.

1550
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 4: I like.

1551
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 26: But but look, I accept a lot of this stuff.

1552
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 26: The vibe stuff needed to be said and done and

1553
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 26: was always a bit disappointing because it could have been

1554
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 26: done by the last government. There's no reason why a

1555
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 26: center left government couldn't also be sort.

1556
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: Of one that supported the c p P T p

1557
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: P T all that stuff.

1558
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 26: So so I mean, it's it's this, it's the kind

1559
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 26: of stuff I think that is needed. And I get

1560
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 26: this thing about the culture shift and the and the

1561
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 26: the no thing. It's his main example seemed to be

1562
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 26: that we didn't have the Taylor Swift concert, which was

1563
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 26: weirdly specific. But you know, yeah, more concerts, maybe more mining.

1564
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit.

1565
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: Luke, little bit helps. That's right lovely to have you

1566
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: at there sixty two.

1567
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 9: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1568
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on

1569
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1570
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 2: Let's talk about rural issues. Jamie McKay as the host

1571
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 2: of the Country. How is it being back at work? Jamie, Oh,

1572
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm looking.

1573
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 27: I got I holiday. Needed a holiday from the holiday.

1574
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 5: Andrew.

1575
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 21: It's been good, good, good good.

1576
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,799
Speaker 2: But it's only Thursday and this week's gone on forever.

1577
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: But there we go. So we've got two farms that

1578
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,799
Speaker 2: have been suspended from the New Zealand Marinos Q Quality

1579
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 2: Standards Supplay program, which is a long name. Some undercover

1580
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: videos appeared to show animal welfare breaches.

1581
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 27: Yeah, this is from Peter, the animal activist group.

1582
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 21: So look.

1583
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 27: New Zealand Marinos launching an independent investigation as his MPI,

1584
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 27: as is the New Zealand Sharing Contractors Association. New Zealand

1585
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 27: Marino chair Kate Mitchell said the footage and We've seen

1586
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 27: it on the news, shows people standing on sheep's neck,

1587
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 27: grabbing sheep, or dragging sheep across the floor or the

1588
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 27: board of the sharing shard, sewing up a bloody wound

1589
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 27: without painkillers. We used to do that all the time,

1590
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 27: but times have changed. And basically she's saying these aren't

1591
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 27: up to the values and practices of the six hundred

1592
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 27: farms that are part of.

1593
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 15: This z Q program.

1594
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 27: Look, the best commentary I thought came from a woman

1595
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 27: by the name of Jills Angus Bernie. Hello Jills, if

1596
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 27: you're listening. She's a lawyer, was once held the world

1597
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 27: woman's world sharing record five hundred and forty one lambs

1598
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 27: and nine hours, so she knows what she's doing. That's

1599
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 27: a lot Andrew, you just tried dragging that many out

1600
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 27: and shucking them down the porthole. So she said, Look,

1601
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 27: she's not surprised Peter has targeted New Zealand sheep sharers

1602
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 27: because it did the same thing in Australia. What she's saying,

1603
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 27: and it's true, is that behavior or standards have improved

1604
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 27: drastically over the recent decades. And once again I can

1605
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 27: speak to this with a bit of experience Andrew forty

1606
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 27: years ago, I was sharer, and they're certainly the standards

1607
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 27: are much better than they were back in those stays.

1608
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 27: And she points out that when it comes to Marinos

1609
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 27: as opposed to our crossbread sheet, you know, the Romneys,

1610
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 27: the Coopworths or whatever. Look, they're wrinkly creatures. They've got

1611
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 27: fine wool, nick stew happen, they have three times as

1612
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 27: many capillaries as the British breeds, the likes of the Romneys,

1613
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 27: So you do occasionally get more cuts, even with the

1614
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 27: best of will. So look, I think you know the

1615
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 27: industry itself polices this. If I've seen the footage. If

1616
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 27: a farmer was in the shed when that happened, the

1617
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 27: sharer or sharer's concerned would be sacked. They'd be they'd

1618
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 27: be out the door straight away, and a good contractor

1619
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,440
Speaker 27: would sack sharer's behaving like that. So I think they've

1620
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 27: cherry picked some of the worst behavior. You know, there's

1621
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 27: baby eggs and every basket.

1622
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Were going forward. We hope for an outbreak of common sense,

1623
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: which is rare these days, but there we have it.

1624
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: Some shareholders of the Alliance Group are worried about what

1625
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: might happen if the cooperative fails to raise you capital here.

1626
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 27: Well, the Alliance Group's been in the news obviously in

1627
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 27: recent times. They've suffered a couple of big losses. They

1628
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 27: need to raise two hundred million. They announced it last

1629
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,839
Speaker 27: month's annual meeting down in South and that they paused

1630
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 27: their capital raising program through livestock production and the issuing

1631
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 27: of new shares. Look, I'm not saying they're running out

1632
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 27: of rope. The sheep meat industries on the improved this year.

1633
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 27: But if they can't get someone to front up with

1634
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 27: two hundred million dollars, and I'm not sure the banks will,

1635
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 27: they may have to look at a hybrid farmer cooperative

1636
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 27: cooperative ownership model, a bit like silver Fern Farms, or

1637
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 27: just put the whole shooting works on the blocker and

1638
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 27: sell it. Whether there would be a buyer, I don't

1639
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 27: think so. The other players in the market would like

1640
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 27: to pick up their shares or their plants, perhaps through attrition.

1641
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 27: Andrew Morrison's leading the group. He's the former chair of

1642
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 27: Beef and Land New Zealand. He raised a good point

1643
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 27: the most successful co op in this country is Tatua

1644
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 27: Derry and Mournsville, forty four percent of a farmer's total

1645
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 27: enterprise is in shares. Fronterra it's ten percent alliance at

1646
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 27: the moment is only sitting at zero point six percent.

1647
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 27: So he's arguing, if you want a strong cooperative, you've

1648
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 27: got to put your money where your mouth is and

1649
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 27: invest in it.

1650
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: Good Daie McKay from the country our co DoD ed

1651
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 2: z put the news on the way and then went

1652
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 2: toing to Peter Griffith Tech commentator, because all of a sudden,

1653
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: a whole lot of people on social media have found

1654
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 2: that they're following Donald Trump, Millennia and Jady Vance. Why

1655
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: tell your.

1656
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: Next Everything from SMS to the big corporates of the

1657
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,440
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Andrew Dickins on News Talks.

1658
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: V Yes, welcome back. It is now twenty three to seven.

1659
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: If you I can music, you'll know that this is

1660
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 2: the beginning to Cold Chisel's track The War Is Over

1661
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 2: Magnificent ballads. Jimmy Barnes on lead vocal. And I'm playing

1662
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: this because this weekend I'm going to see Cold Chisel

1663
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 2: live in Kittianga as part of the Greenstone Summer Concert Series.

1664
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: This is the Cold Chisel fiftieth Anniversary Reunion Tour, and

1665
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 2: they're playing along with ice House and beck Runner and Everclear.

1666
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: I haven't seen there it of he is. I haven't

1667
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: seen Cold Chizzls since nineteen seventy eight when they played

1668
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: support for Rod Stewart, and I haven't seen ice House

1669
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 2: since nineteen eighty two when they came to Sweetwaters and

1670
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 2: they were caught the Flowers. So I'm going along to

1671
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: see two of my favorite bands which I haven't seen

1672
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: in a very long time, and I'm really looking forward

1673
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 2: to it, and I think you should see it too.

1674
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: There are still tickets available for the Topol and Fittyanger concerts.

1675
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: Topaul is Saturday, Fittianga is Sunday. Get at Greenstone dot co,

1676
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: dot ms head the website and other people putting the

1677
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: whole thing on. I saw a very fine review of

1678
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 2: their first concert, which is at Zach Gibson Valley, that

1679
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: said the musicianship was incredible and they also gave it

1680
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 2: a name, and that name was boomer Pelosa, which is

1681
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: a play on lower Polosa, which is the kid festival

1682
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: Boomer Peloser. This is because the whole lot of Boomers

1683
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: are going to be there, but can I just say

1684
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: everybody knows these songs. Everybody knows Cold Chizel and Ice

1685
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 2: House because every radio station plays them. So if more

1686
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: young people would like to come along, they would be

1687
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: really good, because I don't want to be surrounded by

1688
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: just like thousands of silver hairs all back you up

1689
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 2: as well, Andrew.

1690
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 28: The Topoor event is at the Amphitheater at Riverside Park,

1691
01:26:59,400 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 28: which is.

1692
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: A superb ben, super beautiful.

1693
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 28: Then you go to a gig there, go to this

1694
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 28: gig or some gig there.

1695
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely and for Tianga is at the Waterways and I

1696
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: think it's about one hundred and eighty bucks. So there

1697
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 2: we go. It is twenty one to seven, right. Some

1698
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 2: users of Facebook and Instagram are complaining that their accounts

1699
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 2: have randomly started following Donald Trump. Some accounts have started

1700
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: following Millennia and others. Vice President J D. Vance, singers

1701
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,919
Speaker 2: Demi Lavoto, Levato, excuse me, Demmie Levato, and Gracie Adams

1702
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 2: have posted complaints about this and complain that Meta won't

1703
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 2: let them unfollow them. In fact, they turn off the

1704
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: whole thing. They turn off that they go right, they

1705
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: get rid of the entire social media platform. They go

1706
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 2: back on and look at that, it's back there again.

1707
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 2: So how the hell is this happening? Peter Griffin as

1708
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: our tech commentator and joins us.

1709
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,759
Speaker 11: Now, Hello, good evening, Andrew.

1710
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: So why, well, look, it's not.

1711
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 11: That suddenly the Trump administration has has forced everyone to

1712
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 11: follow the president and the vice president. What's happened is

1713
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 11: that a lot of people on Facebook were obviously following

1714
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 11: the Facebook accounts off Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and others.

1715
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 11: They've been handed over to the new administration. So that

1716
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 11: looks as though suddenly people are following the president and

1717
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 11: new posted coming from that administration. But it's a change

1718
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 11: of people, not a change of the office. What is

1719
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 11: interesting is that then people have gone, oh, I don't

1720
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 11: want to be following Trump. They've tried to unfollow him,

1721
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 11: and something's gone wrong there. So that seems to be

1722
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 11: a technical issue, perhaps because so many people have tried

1723
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 11: to unfollow some of these accounts at the same time,

1724
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 11: But it shouldn't take any longer than a couple hours

1725
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 11: for that to resolve.

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Speaker 2: Could the technical issue be that Mark Zuckerberg is currying

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Speaker 2: favor with Donald Trump?

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Speaker 11: Look, I doubt it would. That would really be going

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Speaker 11: too far. But what we have seen obviously this week

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Speaker 11: is the bending off the knee off the tech billionaires

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Speaker 11: to Trump, and Zuckerberg in particular has been the first

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Speaker 11: to really start changing policies at his company to suit

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Speaker 11: the new new administration. So it's a nice conspiracy theory,

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Speaker 11: but I'd put it down to technical gremlins.

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Speaker 2: Okay. And so just to repeat, if you've followed Potus

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Speaker 2: or if you follow the first lady and they all

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01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: had their own Facebook accounts, of course that've changed. Therefore

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Speaker 2: you end out following uh, Donald Millennia and JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance.

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Speaker 2: What is Meta saying about all of this, about why

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Speaker 2: the people are struggling to unfollow them?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, as far as I know, they've said that it

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01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 11: should be an automatic process. If not, try it, try

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Speaker 11: it again. So look, they do this all the time.

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Speaker 11: They've got, you know, all this cloud infrastructure around the world,

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01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 11: all this great technology, but often you know, their platform

1747
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 11: just breaks. So I think it will be a matter

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01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 11: of that they'll be scrambling to fix it. But the

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Speaker 11: bigger issue I think with Meta at the moment is

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Speaker 11: the announcement they made a couple of weeks ago that

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Speaker 11: they're doing away with fact checking on the platform, first

1752
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Speaker 11: in the US, then they will stop doing that internationally.

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Speaker 11: They used to partner with in some cases news organizations

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Speaker 11: to check some of the real viral hoaxes and the

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Speaker 11: real nasty misinformation on their platform. So they're giving up

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Speaker 11: on that. They're replacing that with what's called community notes,

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Speaker 11: which Elon must uses on Twitter, which is effectively saying,

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Speaker 11: we'll just let the community decide what is true and

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Speaker 11: what's not. And the reality is that's a lot cheaper

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Speaker 11: to do, and it really is philosophically for Zuckerberg from

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Speaker 11: day one when he set up Facebook back in two

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Speaker 11: thousand and four, he did not want to be the

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Speaker 11: arbiter of truth on that platform. He wanted it to

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Speaker 11: be a platform where anyone could say what they want.

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Speaker 11: So he philosophically believes and freedom of speech, you know,

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Speaker 11: in an absolutist sort of way, not really cognizant of

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Speaker 11: the fact that he's got four or five billion people

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Speaker 11: on his platform and misinformation does a lot of harm

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Speaker 11: spreading on that platform.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Well we all know that, but you know, ah,

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Speaker 2: the battle of virtue. So Dow, Look, there's another issue.

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Speaker 2: People have been saying that the hashtag hashtag democrat was

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Speaker 2: also being blocked on Instagram this week. Is that true

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Speaker 2: and what is that about?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, again that would be I would put

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Speaker 11: down to a technical issue rather than a deliberate Look,

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Speaker 11: if Zuckerberg is saying, hey, it's free reign on freedom

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Speaker 11: of speech, now, you know hashtag democrat is not going

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Speaker 11: to be a particular issue. So you know, I would suggest,

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Speaker 11: you know, when you have a change of administration like this,

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Speaker 11: a lot of people were going on too social media,

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Speaker 11: spiking the traffic and they're having problems related to that,

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Speaker 11: rather than you know, the Zuckerberg sitting is office in

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Speaker 11: Silicon Valley going I'm going to stick it to the

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Speaker 11: Democrats now that Trump's in charge. I just don't think

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Speaker 11: there's enough offer evidence to stack that up. Again, I

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Speaker 11: just put it down to technical problems.

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Speaker 2: Peter Griffin always loving to talk to you, and I

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Speaker 2: thank you for your time today News Talks here. It

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Speaker 2: is now sixteen to seven. We're going to the International

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Speaker 2: Correspondence at a few moments time. Text threw from Bill

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Speaker 2: who says great memories Andrew first time seeing Cold Chisel

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Speaker 2: was at Sweetwaters around eighty three eighty four, Barnsy climbed

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Speaker 2: up the speaker stack with a bottle of bourbon. I

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Speaker 2: know I was there. Then he screamed at the punters

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Speaker 2: cooling up in the hot dog stand that he had

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Speaker 2: a better option. Hell of a time. Can I tell

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Speaker 2: you why I was there? Because I built the Sweetwater's site.

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Speaker 2: That was my summer job. I built the speaker stack.

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Speaker 2: The reward for me and three other guys were spending

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Speaker 2: two days building the speaker stack out of scaffolding was

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Speaker 2: that we were allowed to climb up the speaker stack

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Speaker 2: during the Cold Chisel concert. So right, that was the

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Speaker 2: second time I've seen him. I know I have to

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Speaker 2: wind up, but this is an awesome story. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: I climbed up the speaker stack and there was the

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Speaker 2: crowd from Sweetwaters all in front of me, and there's

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Speaker 2: Cold Chisel down there. And then I see Jimmy Barnes

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Speaker 2: looking up and he's got a bottle of he actually

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Speaker 2: had a bottle of vodka. And he climbs up the

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Speaker 2: speaker stack and joins U up there, and he pops

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Speaker 2: his head up and he goes okay boys and starts

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Speaker 2: singing three feet away from me. Go and look at

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Speaker 2: the video. The skinny guy on the right, that's me

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Speaker 2: fourteen to seven.

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Speaker 9: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with pre Dickins on News Talks V.

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Speaker 2: Sorry less. He was at that gig too, and he

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Speaker 2: was at the front and he could see the roadies

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Speaker 2: tried to get him down, and he kept on singing.

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely true. He is a monster machine, all

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Speaker 2: right to indinational correspondents and end of Brady joins us.

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Speaker 4: Now, Hello, Enda, Hello Andrew, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 2: I'm be very nostalgic the boat. But when I lived

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Speaker 2: in the UK back in nineteen ninety, one of the

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Speaker 2: big concerns at the time was the rise and rise

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Speaker 2: of knife crimes. And here we are in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five and more knife crimes. We've got that self tech,

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Speaker 2: of course, and so now they're going to have another

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Speaker 2: crecket trying to crack down a knife crime with new laws.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so he's being sentenced today.

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Speaker 29: Axel rue de Cubana, eighteen years of age, has pleaded

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Speaker 29: guilty to three murders last summer in Southport.

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Speaker 4: For anyone who doesn't remember that it.

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Speaker 29: Was a little little girls basically party day for a

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Speaker 29: Taylor Swift Team dance class, and this guy turned up

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Speaker 29: with a knife and started randomly attacking seven and eight

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Speaker 29: year old girls and three of them are murdered, several

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Speaker 29: other injured. Appalling, and then obviously people take the social

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Speaker 29: media fired up by certain tech billionaires and we had

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Speaker 29: riots for several nights on streets of many English towns

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Speaker 29: and cities. Well, today he will be sentenced, so he

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Speaker 29: will be going to prison. I'm guessing for life or

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Speaker 29: multiple life sentences. Clear Starmer has ordered a public inquiry.

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Speaker 29: And what's becoming clear about this guy Ruder Cabana is

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Speaker 29: that he was found with a knife.

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Speaker 4: On ten previous occasions.

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Speaker 29: He was kicked out of schools for watching violent material

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Speaker 29: on school computers. There were multiple, multiple chances to stop

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Speaker 29: this guy. So anyway, in terms of solving knife crime,

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Speaker 29: Starmer's big idea is that from now on, you will

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Speaker 29: not be able to buy knives online without ID. You

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Speaker 29: will have to uload a document like a passport or

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Speaker 29: a driving license, and in addition to that, you will

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Speaker 29: have to upload a video of you talking so that

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Speaker 29: the retailer can see who you are. But quite frankly,

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01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 29: how people are able to buy and they're not. When

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Speaker 29: you say a knife, these are machetes. Some of these

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01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 29: young guys are carrying wells.

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Speaker 2: Will there big differentiation between you know, I just want

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Speaker 2: appearing knife, okay, yeah, versus of course military style knives,

1862
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Speaker 2: hunting knives and machetes.

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Speaker 29: Yes, yeah, yeah, it'd be fair. It'd be for all

1864
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Speaker 29: knives bought online. There will be obviously this new regulation,

1865
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 29: but it's becoming because the UK is so tight on

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Speaker 29: gun crime, criminals and anyone who wants to hurt someone

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Speaker 29: has no prospect of getting hold of a gun whatsoever,

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Speaker 29: so they all carry knives and people are making an

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Speaker 29: awful of money out of this, the big online retailers,

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Speaker 29: who I'm not going to name check, the most prominent

1871
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 29: one is where this guy bought his knife front So

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Speaker 29: this should have been done decades ago.

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Speaker 2: Are you still in Davos.

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Speaker 29: I am Guten Morgan from Davos. I'm high in the

1875
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 29: Swiss Alps and we're just making our way in now.

1876
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 29: And I say, in about ten kilometers there will be

1877
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Speaker 29: the usual police cordon where they stop and check everyone,

1878
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,879
Speaker 29: and in you go to mix with the global elites

1879
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,440
Speaker 29: and the billionaires and staggering.

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Speaker 4: Who you see in the streets.

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Speaker 29: Just the last couple of days, I was going live

1882
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Speaker 29: on TV yesterday Anti Arty World and Antonio Guterres walked

1883
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 29: right past me. The UN Secretary General Mark Rutta from NATO.

1884
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 29: You see all these people. Good fortune to get in

1885
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 29: and here Zelenski speak the other day. What a powerful

1886
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 29: speaker he is.

1887
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Speaker 2: And Donald Chump's gonna have a speech here.

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Speaker 29: He will be joining online tonight, so he's been twice

1889
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Speaker 29: previously in person when he was president first time round.

1890
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Speaker 29: He is not going to be there tonight, but he

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Speaker 29: is the biggest shadow over the whole summit this week

1892
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 29: because obviously what he says, what he wants to do,

1893
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Speaker 29: will impact all of these countries and all of their citizens.

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01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 4: So he's dialing in at five pm Swiss time.

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Speaker 29: Where are we now, We're coming up to seven am

1896
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 29: in the morning here, so everyone will be watching and

1897
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 29: waiting in ten hours time to see what Donald Trump

1898
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Speaker 29: says and how big a deal he makes of tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and Ednie Jones, our favorite Australian rugby coach, gosh,

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Speaker 2: we love him, got a job for a while and

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01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: egan and help destroy that team as well. I'm sorry anyway,

1902
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 2: he's still got a job within rugby. What's he up to?

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Speaker 29: Well, as we say in Ireland, come home, agent John,

1904
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 29: your work is done. He has landed a job with ITV,

1905
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Speaker 29: so this is the terrestrial British broadcaster. They show all

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Speaker 29: of the Six Nations rugby games, so he will be

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Speaker 29: commentating and analyzing, believe it or not, England's performances. Now

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01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 29: he left England under a cloud. Steve Borthwick is their

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01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 29: coach and manager. Now clearly there's a bit of beef

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Speaker 29: between the two of them.

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Speaker 4: England are not going to.

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Speaker 29: Do anything this year from everything I've been hearing from

1913
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Speaker 29: people in the training camp. They have injuries, they have problems,

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Speaker 29: morale is quite low and they head to Dublin next weekend.

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Speaker 4: So good luck with that. We have won two Six

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Speaker 4: Nations on the spin, we will.

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Speaker 29: Win a third and it's gonna be as Donald Trump

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Speaker 29: will say, it's gonna be beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite good. That's quite good. But of course

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Speaker 2: you're obviously biased typical biased media because you in fact Irish,

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Speaker 2: so you know, well I don't believe you, So I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Six to seven, getting ready for a new administration in

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Speaker 1: the un squad will be the impact. It's the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my HR, the HR

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Speaker 1: solution for busy SMEs news talks.

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Speaker 5: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: This was a big time for me to go an.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to thank producer Laura and also producer ants.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to play a song for us now?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 28: The Doobie Brothers long train running to play us out

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Speaker 28: tonight because they have made it into the Songwriters Hall

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Speaker 28: of Fame. They were inducted alongside You're going to have

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Speaker 28: to help me with these ones. Andrew, George Clinton, Ashley Gorley,

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Speaker 28: Rodney Jing Jerkins, Ronney Jerkins, Mike Love and Tony McCauley.

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Speaker 2: Mike Glove from the Beach Boys, George Clinton from funk Adelic. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very good. I can't believe the Doobies weren't already in there.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, I tell you what. The controversial thing though, nominees

1940
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Speaker 28: who didn't actually quite make it in this year Eminem

1941
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Speaker 28: Janet Jackson, n WA. Those should all be shoe and surely.

1942
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Speaker 2: The Doobies have a brand new album coming out first

1943
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Speaker 2: in ten years shortly and Tom Johnston singing and also

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Speaker 2: Michael McDonald's.

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Speaker 15: So there we go.

1946
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Speaker 2: That's something to look forward to. What I've got to

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Speaker 2: look forward to tomorrow is Friday, the end of the week.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you.

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Speaker 10: Then not again.

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Speaker 8: Keep keep on, give on

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