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Speaker 1: Really if the same changery there is the same trip,

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Speaker 1: You're not going to introduce it as the unnamed podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to introduce it as well.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on to the Unnamed Podcast. It's Monday, the twenty

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Speaker 3: first of October twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Ruders here.

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Speaker 4: Have you guys ever tried the podcast formally nine as

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Speaker 4: the Daily Bespoke podcast? Is the name podcast? Formally nine

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Speaker 4: is like what Prince used to do?

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Speaker 3: Yep, we've we've discussed that last week.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Sorry, I was away and I deliberately didn't listen

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Speaker 4: to the show.

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Speaker 2: So if you were here last week, you would have realized.

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Speaker 4: I was having my first holiday since January.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I weren't so selfish as to have a holiday.

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Speaker 3: Then you would realize that we discussed that at length.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what, though, Jeremy Wells, you are the

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Speaker 4: reason that I switched off, because you said put your

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Speaker 4: I need to not do that. And I listened to

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the nine and it was black

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Speaker 2: How did you go with that porn addiction that you're

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Speaker 2: Just the one thing up the phone, just the one

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Speaker 2: good advice week and a half from you? Just the one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, how was your holiday? Roally good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was good.

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Speaker 4: The Goldie, the Goldie, the fun parks, the theme parks.

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Speaker 4: Something I put in the radio showed about.

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Speaker 2: Have a quick chat about it now, if that's okay.

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Speaker 4: A couple of little kids pushed in front of me

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Speaker 2: Go and talk to my mother? What's the juice box? Well?

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Speaker 4: Actually, I take sea legs and you go on it.

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Speaker 4: Sad story actually, because one of the dolphins, unless they

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Speaker 4: One of the dolphins had a shark bite and they

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Speaker 2: This is not the time to say that Shark Week

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Speaker 3: Not that sort of not that controversial, and it's around

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Speaker 5: she's very funny. Oh she's something. No, No, she's a

442
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,479
Speaker 5: force of nature. So I think they hated her. And

443
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 5: I've observed this once before when I did a show

444
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 5: and the woman was funny and the men, some of

445
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 5: the men resented it, you know, and you know, but

446
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 5: she's funnier than you. You know, so I think there

447
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 5: was a lot there was. That was the time. It

448
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 5: was nineteen I guess changed the laws in nineteen sixty five, okay,

449
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 5: sixty four sixty five, and and Clive James came through

450
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 5: the door at the same time, although he wasn't a woman.

451
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 5: It turned out well.

452
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: The other Stephen was Stephen fly a part of.

453
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 5: That much later later, maybe ten foot lights the foot

454
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,239
Speaker 5: lights crazy, Yeah, it had it has if you look

455
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 5: at the challenge there are just the people who went

456
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 5: to Cambridge University. Oxford had an equivalent, but it didn't

457
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 5: have a club. So Michael Pennan and Terry Jones were

458
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 5: part of the Oxford Review Society, but they didn't have

459
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 5: a place. They met an et and drank. Because we

460
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 5: had a bar, we could keep it open all night.

461
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: You know, it sounds fantastic it still exists.

462
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 5: I don't think it absolutely still exists. I don't think

463
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 5: it has the premises. And the only thing I think

464
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 5: they missed was Sasha Baron Cohen, who was a pal

465
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 5: of mine, and he revealed to me that he wasn't

466
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 5: accepted by the Footlights there, which is but he does

467
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 5: something different. He's really funny. But man, he got the

468
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 5: balls of steel, you know.

469
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: I mean he's a solo operator as well, though, don't

470
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 3: you reckon like this. There's different types of comedians. I think.

471
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: There are people who work really really well in the

472
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 3: team and who and there's a magic that's created in

473
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: a team, I think, and you can't always put your

474
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 3: finger on it because someone creatively, someone might come up

475
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 3: with it, someone might say something and that sparks off

476
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: an idea and someone else who says something else on

477
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 3: the tee, and then the idea starts, which started somewhere

478
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: here ends up in a completely different place, and all

479
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: of you have had your hands on it in one

480
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: way or another, but it's so far away from there

481
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 3: is an idea, whereas if you're an individual comedian and

482
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: it's all been in your head from the start to

483
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: the finish, that's quite a different process.

484
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 5: I shuppose show and all show we were before stand

485
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 5: up really wasn't done, you know, we were sketch comedy.

486
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 5: But Sasha is a different thing. He gets, he undermines,

487
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 5: he impersonates people and leads them on and that's just

488
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 5: wonderful skill and a very brave one, so I am.

489
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 5: But he is also very good ancewer. So I'm amazed

490
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 5: they didn't notice that how clever and talented he was.

491
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: There must have been a dumb group. It happens, you know.

492
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: Have you spent much time with Christopher Morris no asaraist

493
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: who did The Brass Eye and the Day to Day?

494
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that a similar way to Sasha Baron

495
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 3: Cohen that he is completely fearless, right, you know, in

496
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: the face of in the face of absurdity and power,

497
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: he will just almost not humiliate him stuff. But it's

498
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: just fearless and going straight through the center of it.

499
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 5: I think the first person I know is it was

500
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 5: Norman Gunston did it in Australia and he was hilarious

501
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 5: and he'd greet people coming off the plane like Henchard,

502
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: Paul McCartney with Linda and he said, you don't look

503
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 5: very Japanese to me.

504
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: It's fearless.

505
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 5: It's scary, absolutely feel in your face. They don't know

506
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 5: what to do it and it's how they respond that

507
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 5: makes you see whether they're really good people or not.

508
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, but but do it. Because Paul McCartney, you know,

509
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 3: he's a big star. Paul McCartney, he carries a lot

510
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: of money he carries. He carries a lot of prestige

511
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: with him, and so you always feel like you want

512
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: to give respect to those people.

513
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 5: Yes, but he was smart.

514
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: There was he was.

515
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 5: They were smart. The Beatles were always funny, so he

516
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 5: was smart enough to realize the guy is funny. He's

517
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 5: got razor cuts all over his face. Yeah, toilet paper

518
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 5: on his face. And he was truly funny though. I mean,

519
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 5: I think he was the first of that, pretending to

520
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 5: be somebody else for the interviewing people. I think he

521
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 5: started that.

522
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Speaker 3: In terms of the pie Fonds. Now, are you guys?

523
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: Do you guys ever get together? You'd be as this

524
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: a thousand times, but you guys ever get together?

525
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: Now? What's the stung?

526
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 5: It's rather bad actually, unfortunately, but really well, we old

527
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 5: grumpy on men fighting over a combe. We are. I

528
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: haven't seen like John Clease. Last time I saw him

529
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 5: we toured in New Zealand. That was eight years ago.

530
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: I have seen Mike and Terry ginn in for ten years,

531
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 5: so right, yeah, but they live in England and I don't, Oh,

532
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: where are you living here? I live in la for

533
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 5: thirty years, but I like to live in France. Until

534
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 5: they stopped me bad in Brexit idiot, God almighty.

535
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: It's quite in listing, though, isn't it?

536
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: When you create something with with people and your your

537
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: friends and then things change over time.

538
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 5: You know, it's not that you're on friends. If you

539
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 5: don't see people for a long time, you've both changed.

540
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a process. But I've known

541
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 5: I've known them for sixty years, so I'm you know,

542
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: we had great times. We've had wonderful times, we made

543
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 5: wonderful shows. But it doesn't mean that where they are

544
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 5: in their lives now isn't necessarily the same as when

545
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: you knew them.

546
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: Really, looking beck, what's the thing that you've created or

547
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: been a part of that you're most proud of Off

548
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: the top of your head.

549
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 5: Well, i'd it spam a lot, because that was quite

550
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 5: an achievement to turn a funny film which was then

551
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 5: thirty years old, into a successful Broadway musical and we

552
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 5: won the Tony for Best Musical of the Year in

553
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 5: two thousand and five, which just blew my mind. You know,

554
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 5: I thought people, I thought we'd make it funny, but

555
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 5: to win the Chiny for Best Musical and my book,

556
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: which hey, I'm going to announce it A lot diary, yeah,

557
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 5: which has just come out here. I found a couple

558
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 5: of years ago when I was shifting house, and it's

559
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 5: it's a diary I kept at the time we were

560
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 5: making it with Mike Nicholson, Tim Curry and all these people,

561
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 5: and you know, it's what's interesting about it is you

562
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: don't know it's going to be a hit. You have

563
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: no idea, and so there's all the anxieties and all

564
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: the fights and all the bits and people sacked, and

565
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: how do you bond a team and put it together?

566
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 5: And finally you meet the audience in Chicago, who go yes,

567
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: But you don't know that until the end. So it's

568
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 5: a kind of anxiety read you know.

569
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: So did you find that diary many years after you

570
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: many years after two years ago?

571
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 5: Oh wow, it's kept from two thousand and four to

572
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 5: two thousand and five about me. I'm anxious, I want

573
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: to go home at times, you know, the rows, And

574
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 5: you know, I kept it all in because I think

575
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 5: that the great thing about a diary is it tells

576
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 5: you it's the most precisely true to how you're feeling

577
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 5: at the time, because you're just confiding your thoughts to

578
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 5: the page.

579
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Have you diried your whole life? No?

580
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 5: Okay, rarely. I did one on tour. It's called the

581
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 5: Greedy Buston Diary. That's about a road tour we took

582
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 5: from seven thousand miles across you know, America up into

583
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 5: Canada in the ones on a rock and roll bus

584
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 5: and when everybody stop, we do a show. And that

585
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: was quite fun.

586
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: Looking back, I mean interesting with diary. So when you

587
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: when you read your diary, you whenever a five year

588
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: of a diary is something I've always looked back and God,

589
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: that's I wish I never wrote that. That's embarrassing. You

590
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: don't have that feeling.

591
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: I keep the embarrassing. I think that's what's interesting about

592
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 5: the diary. You know, peoples would stop off and have

593
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: a bit of a legover and on his way to work,

594
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: and you write about it. And that's what makes it

595
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 5: human because it does it. And so especially when I

596
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 5: was on the road, you know, it's I'm feeling a

597
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 5: bit horny, But I think that's that makes you like,

598
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 5: that makes you you are a human being.

599
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: And that's really sweet to remember that at some point

600
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: you were writing that down in an earnest fashion, and

601
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: that's how you were actually feeling what twenty years ago

602
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: were having exactly.

603
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 5: So it's fine. I think it's better to all that

604
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: stuff because that's what portrays us as who we are

605
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 5: as life. We're all up these things that we maybe

606
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: not necessarily want to say, but I think keeping them

607
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: in shows you what life's like closer than writing a novel, even.

608
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: So so much amazing material over the years which has

609
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: come out of your brain and people associated with you.

610
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: Is it anything that you look back on and go

611
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: I wish that I could erase that out of the archive?

612
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: Is it one thing in particular?

613
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 5: I wish we'd've got on a bit better towards the end.

614
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 5: I think it would have helped if it had been less,

615
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 5: But that's only old men, and I think it's it's unfortunate,

616
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: and I'm sad about that. It makes me unhappy, but

617
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: I can't do anything about it. It's not in my control.

618
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: I say, you know, if I have to turn the

619
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 5: other cheek anymore, I'll have to take my pants down.

620
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: We're getting we're getting wrapped up out there as well, Eric,

621
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: If that's all right, Eric.

622
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: Idel, thank you so much for coming in. What a

623
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: great pleasure and absolute pleasure Eric, and best of like

624
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: with the shows. Thanks and best Oflake with everything.

625
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Nice talking to you.

626
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: So, Eric Idol his New Zealand with has always look

627
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: on the right side of life, life too. Twenty three October, Auckland,

628
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: twenty sixth of October, Wellington, twenty eighth of October, christ Church.

629
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: What a lovely man, What a lovely man. Eric Idler

630
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: is an absolute one hundred percent like accepted from every

631
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: comedy person in the world legend.

632
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I quite realized he was coming in today.

633
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: Like I knew, you know, I saw Eric.

634
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: Idol, you look pretty taken aback.

635
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: Written on the shugeule and I thought, you know, this

636
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: is cool, this is exciting. But my he was here

637
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: and he was amazing, and he was gentle and he

638
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: was kind and of course he was funny. He's just like, oh,

639
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: come on.

640
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great New Zealander. He's a great New Zealander,

641
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: Eric Idyle, and.

642
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Really interesting what he was saying, of course about the

643
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: relationships that are going on in his life. And you

644
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: never like to hear someone with regrets, and I don't

645
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: think that's exactly what he was saying, that it's a

646
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: regret or anything like that. I think he's just upset

647
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: that it's kind of moved out of his control. What

648
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: was your take on that, Jerry, Because.

649
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 3: I know you, I knew that there was a bit

650
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: of niggle between those guys, but I mean there's a

651
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: lot of guys there because because there was Terry Jones

652
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: he died in twenty nineteen, and I think.

653
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: He was mates with Eric.

654
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: I think Eric and Terry were good mates, I think,

655
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: and I think so Michael Palin and Terry Gilliam they were.

656
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: Terry Gillingham was the cartoonist, wasn't he that used to

657
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: do all of the animations. I'm pretty sure were Terry joneson.

658
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: I think Terry Jones directed Life of Brian. I think

659
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: that's the way it worked. There's a and John Clees

660
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: was an interesting one because he was kind of an outsider.

661
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: But he worked with Graham Chapman who died in nineteen

662
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: ninety nine. And Graham Chapman was that was the other

663
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: tall guy, and he was an alcoholic. Graham Chapman and

664
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: quite nigglay and quite difficult. But John Clees was the

665
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: only guy who could kind of understand and get him.

666
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: So they had these weird little bits and obviously.

667
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Was almost the translator between the potentially difficult personalities a

668
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: little bit.

669
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Speaker 3: Clease kind of held them together in a face. I've

670
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: watched a few documentaries on them, and it's really interesting

671
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: there was There were just a lot. They were all

672
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: very different. They were all very very different, even though

673
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: they came from some similar places, with clees and and

674
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: Eric Ido coming from the Footlights and then Michael Palin

675
00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: and Terry Gillingham coming from Oxford the Review. They but

676
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: when they came together, they made this magic and I

677
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: think they kind of know that, you know, I didn't.

678
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: But what was interesting was how he said that. You know,

679
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: looking back, I wish it didn't quite end as horribly

680
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: as it did.

681
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: My question for you, Jerry, and actually probably ruder as well,

682
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: because you're a man that's worked in quite a few

683
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: creative partnerships and stuff like that, is do we forget

684
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: sometimes that people get into performance and the creative arts

685
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: and all that kind of shit from an ego point

686
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: of view, and then which means that from a very

687
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: young age people have got these ideas and directions about

688
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: where they want to hid and where they want to

689
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: go and all that stuff. And then of course when

690
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you put no matter who the personalities are, and even

691
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: if they are really nice, if you put six, seven,

692
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: eight of them into a room, that is unfortunately just

693
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: always always going to be just a little bit of slight,

694
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, crossovers in terms of directions that people are

695
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: working in. For example, like we've worked in teams, even

696
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: for the last four or five years that I've been in radio.

697
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, you get along really well, but you can

698
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: still quite often find yourself's point, you know, pushing things

699
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: in different directions, and then it just sounds like maybe

700
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: this has happened here, and that's just the way it goes.

701
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite complex.

702
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: I have not articulated that very well, but I think

703
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: I know what you mean.

704
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can also get into it

705
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: just because you're not because you enjoy the company of

706
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: other people and they make you laugh. You accidentally find

707
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: yourself that it's actually being shared with audiences and stuff,

708
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: and you know that's that's a good place to be.

709
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're getting into I think probably some

710
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 3: people do get into it because they want to advance

711
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: their own thing.

712
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like a couple of people that you're

713
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: just saying there. That sounds like that that might have

714
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: been the case. Is they kind of had big ideas

715
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: and big ventures for their comedy and that kind of thing,

716
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: and then there were people like Eric who were just

717
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: can to have a laugh.

718
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: I reckon, he's a he's a really good guy. He's

719
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: I can see his where it came from from his perspective.

720
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: I think it's just I think he just likes to

721
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 3: have fun.

722
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: You can, I mean at all he says zero ego.

723
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: No, he s hed something about it, didn't I think

724
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: when they were talking about multipython, like all that mattered

725
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: to him was making his friends that he was doing

726
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: it with laugh.

727
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't actually about he's cracked the code. Yeah,

728
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: he's totally cracked the code.

729
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: And now it's even like, you know, you put that

730
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: onto our radio show. The radio show is always at

731
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: its best when we just kind of forget about anything

732
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: and just trying to make.

733
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: The other people laugh.

734
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, And that's what that's kind of That's the

735
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: thing for life, isn't it.

736
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: But John Clees read his autobiography recently, he was.

737
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: Him and Miriam Margley's they didn't get on. That was

738
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: what I was talking about there. I've heard her talk

739
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: about John Claes. She's like, she hates them, she hates them.

740
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: He's quite a confronting figure. Yeah, I can see why.

741
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: I read his autobiography recently. I'm a massive John Clees fan,

742
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: like I am pretty much all of those guys, But I.

743
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: Can't see why. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

744
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: I've kind of you know, well, it kind of It

745
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: kind of reminds me when you talk about these people

746
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: and they've all got their ideas on where this crowdive

747
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 4: things should go, and you hear stories about bands like

748
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 4: Crowded House, and you hear stories about bands like the Police,

749
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: and then you look at recently Hauler notes there's a

750
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: what is it an order.

751
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: Restraining order against them.

752
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: I remember hearing stories about they were doing a take

753
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: Paul Hester's the Drummer and Credit House and Neil fin

754
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 4: was like, no, no, no, the drums need to go, and

755
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: they got into quite a heated argument and it ended

756
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 4: up with Paul Hister going well you play the fucking

757
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: drums and walking out of the thing. And there's also

758
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: I think in one of the autobiographies as well, they

759
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: got into a fist fight behind there was like some

760
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: signs up at a press conference, and they got into

761
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 4: a fist fight and fell through the signs and when

762
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: all the press.

763
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: Were watching them.

764
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: The thing is, you can get along with someone so

765
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: so so well, and then just one thing like this happens,

766
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: and then if one person isn't able to let it

767
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: go like the other person, then you end up in

768
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: situations like.

769
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: What well I reckon.

770
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: It's much harder in music than it is comedy, because

771
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: with comedy it's like either something's funny or it's not,

772
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: and if the other groups say that it's funny, then

773
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: it's funny. But with music it's like, no, I really

774
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: feel like it should go like this, and if it

775
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: doesn't go like this, so what. It's quite a different thing.

776
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: It's just someone's creative drive versus someone else's creative will.

777
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's will versus well in.

778
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: Music, whereas with with comedy it's genuinely there's another magic

779
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: to it, which is just the you know, people either

780
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: laugh or they don't.

781
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: With your stuff. Do you voluntary pre circle? Probably two thousands?

782
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: Actually, well, in terms of is you just any of

783
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: the comedy TV that you did early doors actually even

784
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: late Doors, including let not Bill Breekfast. I was something

785
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: that I would have loved to ask ask Eric, but

786
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: he was obviously under a time crunch. Is when you're

787
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: making television and I wanted to know this with Monty

788
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Python before it. When it comes to writing comedy television

789
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: is when you're first filming it. Are you slightly scared

790
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: that it's just you that finds it funny? Or do

791
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: you know in due back your own abilities to know

792
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: that what the jokes that I come up with, I

793
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: know are going to resonate with other people, and I

794
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: know they're going to find it funny because you don't

795
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: have you know, when someone doesn't stand up to her,

796
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: you do the whole well. They encourage the idea that

797
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: you go to bars, you do clubs, you do all

798
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: these things and test your material and all that kind

799
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: of thing, and then you do your stadium tour is

800
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: the idea.

801
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how that.

802
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never really done comedy, so I don't

803
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: I couldn't speak to comedy of how that works in

804
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: the writing process and all that sort of stuff, because

805
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 3: I've never written yeah, and I've never written comedy.

806
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I just thought I was always thought that about Mondy,

807
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: but like, because it was so when it came out,

808
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: it was not.

809
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: I suppose the sense.

810
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: Of humor was had been seen before because those guys

811
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: had done things prior to it, but it was still different.

812
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: In terms of television. Nobody ever done that sort of

813
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: television before. It was totally it was totally left field.

814
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: So I wonder if they were sitting there on set

815
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: absolutely shitting themselves, going, I wonder if anyone's.

816
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: I don't know this. I think they didn't care. That's good.

817
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: I think that's the great past.

818
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: I think from the stuff that I've watched of their

819
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: interviews before, I don't I think they thought it was

820
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: funny to them, and that's all that they really cared about.

821
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted.

822
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: It turns out that the audience, that the audience, they

823
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: were in tune with what the audience were thinking as well,

824
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: but also him saying, you know that they were trying

825
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: to do things that nobody had done before. That's that's

826
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 3: always good. I mean, if you're trying to make comedy

827
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: that's not just funny but it's also completely unique, then

828
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: you'll probably do well. I would have thought if you're

829
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: copying someone else's things, then it's I don't know, so

830
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: that's a different type of thing. That's imitation, different than originality.

831
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: And he was true. They were truly original, like one

832
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: hundred percent original. They're not they're not copying anyone. I

833
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: can't believe we just spoke to your idle.

834
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah it was good. He was, wasn't he lovely? Fuck?

835
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: He was so nice. They can come back any time anytime. Now,

836
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: hang on, let's not finish the podcast on that note.

837
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that.

838
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: I think that's the old one compliment, isn't it right? Things?

839
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: He can hang out the back of me anytime? Sounds

840
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: like you can. Did you say no? If it climbed

841
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: in my window at night, would I throw it out? No?

842
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Of course you wouldn't