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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show.

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company as always. Hope you're doing

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Speaker 3: well wherever you're listening in the country. Very excited about

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Speaker 3: this out, Matt. This is going to be very very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You'll have heard about it. The Giant

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Speaker 2: Moa deck distinction plans. Sir Peter Jackson has teamed up

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Speaker 2: with Colossal Biosciences. They're the people that fiddled around and

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Speaker 2: with a gray wolf and ended up with a dire wolf. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that made international headlines. So they are concentrating on the

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Speaker 2: more New Zealand's beautiful, big extinct.

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Speaker 3: More so they want to bring it back to life

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Speaker 3: in less than eight years. That's a hell of a

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Speaker 3: you said, Sir Peter Jackson, but also involved as Cannbury

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Speaker 3: Museum Colossal Biosciences, as you just mentioned Dan Nightahu, they

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Speaker 3: plan to extract the DNA from preserved moa remains to

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Speaker 3: create a recreate the towering flightless bird. This is the

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Speaker 3: South Island giant Moa stood at three point six meters tall.

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Speaker 2: Big boy. Yeah, that's right, and we're going to talk.

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Speaker 3: To very shortly. We are going to have a chat too.

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Speaker 3: This is a hell of a title, but they're doing

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Speaker 3: they're doing amazing things. That's why I pointed to you

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Speaker 3: to say it. Doctor Andrew pask He is the head

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Speaker 3: of Thilasne Integrated Genomic rest Ration Research Laboratory with Colossal.

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Speaker 3: He is going to join us live from Australia, so

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Speaker 3: very looking forward to this interview. But we also want

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Speaker 3: being brought back? The re extinction so to speak? Is

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Speaker 2: It might end up in a re extinction, de extinction

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Speaker 2: but there's already been people that have been Chloe Schwarbrock

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Speaker 2: Let's save the Cody Snail or something first. I'm not

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoon. So exciting a new project backed

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Speaker 3: also Canterbury Museum and Nitohu. They are planning to bring

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Speaker 2: Now, how just off the bat, How fun is your job?

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Speaker 2: It must be awesome to be involved in such exciting

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Speaker 6: Truly, you know, like these are the coolest projects you

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Speaker 5: But then the impacts that they have for conservation and.

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Speaker 6: Restoring lost species to our planet and biodiversity, it just

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Speaker 6: I think I may be a little biased, but I

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Speaker 2: Why the more over all the other species you could

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Speaker 6: But you know, again, it's one of these species that

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Speaker 5: The end goal of bringing back the Tasmanian.

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Speaker 2: Now bring it back to New Zealand. How close are

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a lot of work to be

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Speaker 3: So, professor, is it a similar situation You mentioned the

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Speaker 6: Yeah right, But I don't feel like that will capture

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Speaker 2: What do you sit on this controversy around the moa,

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Speaker 6: This is funny, right, This is the most controversially debated

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Speaker 5: Group in Genely, that we talk about all the time.

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Speaker 6: And you know, people are either avid they held their

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Speaker 5: But I just say, way till we extinct it and

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Speaker 2: Well, that'll be really that question will be answered. That's

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Speaker 5: Extinction projects, we've actually.

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Speaker 6: We're quite a way along that pathway of figuring out

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about

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Speaker 2: niney two and the calls on eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty.

441
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Speaker 3: Are very mixed, deided.

442
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Speaker 2: Some people are just totally into it, and maybe that's

443
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Speaker 2: because a lot of people watch Jurassic Park back in

444
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Speaker 2: the day. I mean, there's a new Jurassic Park movie

445
00:21:27,533 --> 00:21:29,613
Speaker 2: that's out in the cinemas right now. It's the biggest

446
00:21:29,613 --> 00:21:32,093
Speaker 2: movie in the world currently if one's probably bigger, but

447
00:21:32,133 --> 00:21:34,653
Speaker 2: you know, it's a big movie at the moment. And

448
00:21:35,253 --> 00:21:37,253
Speaker 2: you know, the original Jurassic Park one of the greatest

449
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Speaker 2: movies ever made. Steven Spielbourg Casque classic and you had

450
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Speaker 2: Doctor Ian Malcolm played by Jeff Goldblum making this point,

451
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Speaker 2: and maybe this point still resonates.

452
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Speaker 14: You know, you read what others had done, and you

453
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Speaker 14: talk the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves,

454
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Speaker 14: so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood

455
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Speaker 14: on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast

456
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Speaker 14: as you could, and before you even knew you had

457
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Speaker 14: you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on

458
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Speaker 14: a plastic lunch box.

459
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Speaker 2: And now selling them, you're selling well.

460
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Speaker 11: I don't think you're giving us our due credit.

461
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Speaker 5: I scientist have done things which nobody's.

462
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Speaker 15: Ever done before.

463
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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, but you're scientists were so preoccupied with whether

464
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Speaker 14: or not they could they just don't to think they should.

465
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Speaker 2: Have a line.

466
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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what I mean, Doctor Ian Malcolm,

467
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Speaker 3: very intelligent character, but he went to Jurassic Park to

468
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Speaker 3: see them, so even the critics they were turning up.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, there you get your scientist. Have these

470
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Speaker 2: scientists been so preoccupied with whether or not they could

471
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Speaker 2: that they haven't stopped to think if they should? Nathan,

472
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Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Your thoughts on bringing back them more?

473
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Speaker 16: Hey guys, you Tyler kind of said it before, but

474
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Speaker 16: I can't be the only one to think of I

475
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:54,693
Speaker 16: wonder what they taste like. I mean, they were hundred

476
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Speaker 16: to extinction. They managed to see the moli of well

477
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Speaker 16: only a couple of hundred years ago and older, so

478
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Speaker 16: it must have been quite tasty. You imagine, you can

479
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Speaker 16: imagine Maha breweries and in Marlborough there maybe getting on

480
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Speaker 16: board and they could genuinely have burgers and beers Mawa

481
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Speaker 16: and Moa.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean why wouldn't you? I mean

483
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Speaker 2: there would be an argument the best way for you

484
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:24,973
Speaker 2: to preserve a species is to make it useful, and

485
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Speaker 2: if you wanted to keep more around forever, then eat them,

486
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Speaker 2: because then we farm them. I mean, look how many

487
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Speaker 2: sheep and cattle we have in this country. If you know,

488
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't we spend a lot of time keeping sheep

489
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Speaker 2: and cattle going because we can eat them.

490
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Speaker 16: The only thing I'm worried about though, is, of course

491
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Speaker 16: they had to be hunted with spears and other weapons.

492
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Speaker 16: I mean, how violent were they? Are they going to

493
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Speaker 16: turn into velociraptors? And you know that's you're walking on

494
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Speaker 16: a mountain trail and you come face to face with

495
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Speaker 16: a giant moer. I mean, yeah, he'll throw some bird

496
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Speaker 16: seed out and run away.

497
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Speaker 2: Well, what about the castle warrah? I mean what if

498
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Speaker 2: they're cassewary? I mean that that is a pretty violent bird.

499
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Speaker 3: It takes out a lot of humans.

500
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean how many people? How many people have

501
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Speaker 2: been killed by casa warriors?

502
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Speaker 3: I think it's right up there. I think the kesswarre

503
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Speaker 3: kills more people than lions.

504
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Speaker 2: Cassill warres are generally considered dangerous due to their powerful

505
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Speaker 2: kicks and sharp claws. We'll do more have powerful cacks

506
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Speaker 2: and sharp claws. Only two human deaths caused by Cassa

507
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Speaker 2: warres have been recorded since nineteen hundred, one in Australia

508
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Speaker 2: and one in Florida, but one in Florida in twenty nineteen.

509
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Speaker 3: It's always Florida.

510
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Speaker 2: And the more it is bigger than that. Would you

511
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Speaker 2: eat one, Nathan?

512
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Speaker 17: Oh?

513
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Speaker 16: Yeah, he killed lineup. There's a whole overnight industry going on.

514
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Speaker 16: There's pelts, there's the feathers. There's you know, mini zoos.

515
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Speaker 16: Mind you that leads into what you had on yesterday?

516
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Speaker 16: Do you bring them back just to put them in

517
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Speaker 16: a zoo? Do you actually farm like Ostrich.

518
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's that going to be our new Christmas.

519
00:24:51,693 --> 00:24:54,693
Speaker 2: You know, forget a turkey you got, you got a

520
00:24:54,773 --> 00:24:58,013
Speaker 2: Christmas roast that takes up the entire table, another slice.

521
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Speaker 16: Of entire street.

522
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Speaker 3: Nathan, thank you so much for your call, Nathan Plenty.

523
00:25:04,573 --> 00:25:07,533
Speaker 3: A great text coming through on nine to nine two,

524
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Speaker 3: This one from Jeff and he says what a lot

525
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Speaker 3: of people are saying on text. There's a reason why

526
00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:16,453
Speaker 3: they are gone, and they need to stay gone. This

527
00:25:16,573 --> 00:25:19,413
Speaker 3: is humans, plain is God. It's scary.

528
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Speaker 2: Well, the reason why they're gone is because there wasn't

529
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Speaker 2: a lot of protein to eat. And New Zealand was

530
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Speaker 2: the last place in the world to be inhabited by

531
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Speaker 2: humans and it didn't have any predators. And you know,

532
00:25:30,453 --> 00:25:32,493
Speaker 2: so you had these giant birds that you could eat,

533
00:25:32,573 --> 00:25:35,653
Speaker 2: and the Polynesians arriving here they needed something to.

534
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Speaker 3: Eat, exactly a lot of meat on the giants. MOA,

535
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Speaker 3: we still need something to eat, yep. One hundred eighty

536
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Speaker 3: ten eighty. What's your thoughts about this project to bring

537
00:25:43,413 --> 00:25:45,653
Speaker 3: back the giants South Island more?

538
00:25:45,773 --> 00:25:48,693
Speaker 2: He says, we want the Harst Eagle boys, the Haast

539
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Speaker 2: Eagle bring it back.

540
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Speaker 3: A lot of people are saying that it's slightly more terrifying.

541
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you all about the hast Eagle next two.

542
00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:57,532
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that one.

543
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Speaker 1: A fresh take on Talkback. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons.

544
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Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

545
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Speaker 2: They'd be very good.

546
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Speaker 3: Afternoon, and we're talking about project to bring back the

547
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Speaker 3: extinct more So. Peter Jackson has put a lot of

548
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Speaker 3: money into it. He is working alongside US biotech firm

549
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Speaker 3: Colossal Biosciences, along with Canterbury Museum in Nitai, who they

550
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Speaker 3: expect to if they are successful, to bring it back

551
00:26:22,253 --> 00:26:23,293
Speaker 3: to life in less than eight years.

552
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the question is once you bring them More

553
00:26:25,013 --> 00:26:26,813
Speaker 2: back to you have to bring back the hast Eagle

554
00:26:27,013 --> 00:26:29,573
Speaker 2: to hunt the more to keep, to keep the more

555
00:26:29,653 --> 00:26:32,133
Speaker 2: populations out. So a lot of people have been texting

556
00:26:32,133 --> 00:26:34,173
Speaker 2: about the hast Eagle because I said the More as

557
00:26:34,213 --> 00:26:36,373
Speaker 2: the coolest bird that's ever lived in New Zealand. ATTENTI

558
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Speaker 2: the world and a lot of people saying the hearts

559
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Speaker 2: More which hunted the hast Eagle, which hunted the More

560
00:26:41,773 --> 00:26:45,093
Speaker 2: was cooler. So three meter wingspan last More, it was

561
00:26:45,133 --> 00:26:48,733
Speaker 2: extinct in about fifteen one hundred and fifteen fifty, so

562
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Speaker 2: about fifty years after a humans arrived, because it ate

563
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Speaker 2: the more. Right, So this is a bird that preyed

564
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Speaker 2: on a two hundred kg more the biggest moer about

565
00:27:01,533 --> 00:27:05,573
Speaker 2: one point three meter length, body weighed about twenty kgs.

566
00:27:05,693 --> 00:27:08,253
Speaker 2: It's talons or as large as a modern tiger's claw.

567
00:27:09,013 --> 00:27:12,493
Speaker 2: So you're talking about an eight centimeter long talon strong

568
00:27:12,573 --> 00:27:15,253
Speaker 2: enough to kill prey over fifteen times its body weight,

569
00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:19,893
Speaker 2: attack speed ninety kilometers per hour. That's a that's a

570
00:27:19,933 --> 00:27:22,773
Speaker 2: killing machine. I mean the closes. The closest living relative

571
00:27:22,813 --> 00:27:25,533
Speaker 2: is the Australian little eagle, So you know you could

572
00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:27,653
Speaker 2: maybe use them as in the same way as they

573
00:27:27,773 --> 00:27:30,853
Speaker 2: use they use the gray wolf as the base for

574
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Speaker 2: the for implanting the dire wolf embryos.

575
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Speaker 3: Yep, there you go. Would you bring back the hast eagle?

576
00:27:36,733 --> 00:27:38,653
Speaker 3: I mean that might be a step too far. I

577
00:27:38,693 --> 00:27:40,453
Speaker 3: can see the Harst eagle taking a few people on

578
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,333
Speaker 3: their daily walk Osco.

579
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

580
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Speaker 9: Who's that Taylor?

581
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Speaker 17: No, Matt, Yes, Matt, I have a question for the

582
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Speaker 17: people attempting to do this major project. Yes, we'll just

583
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Speaker 17: answer the question whether the eggs came first or the

584
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Speaker 17: chicken cave first.

585
00:28:04,293 --> 00:28:13,133
Speaker 2: Well, philosophical, well in this case, yeah, boy, that in

586
00:28:13,173 --> 00:28:16,013
Speaker 2: this case, they're kind of creating the chicken first and

587
00:28:16,053 --> 00:28:19,493
Speaker 2: then putting it in an eg, aren't they. So they might.

588
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Speaker 5: That good.

589
00:28:23,933 --> 00:28:25,733
Speaker 2: That's that's one of those questions that are raises your

590
00:28:25,773 --> 00:28:27,213
Speaker 2: mind when you try and think about it, because you

591
00:28:27,293 --> 00:28:31,773
Speaker 2: just start spinning in a circle. You asked that to

592
00:28:31,813 --> 00:28:35,173
Speaker 2: Professor Andrew Pask. Yeah, you should have gone back. Yeah,

593
00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:37,733
Speaker 2: so you guys are you guys are egging before the

594
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Speaker 2: chicken on this one? Thank you very much. Joshko Craig,

595
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Speaker 2: you're again it.

596
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I don't like it, man. The science is amazing, man,

597
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Speaker 18: But what when they start sort of bringing it into

598
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Speaker 18: humans and you get nutty leaders in the world and

599
00:28:56,733 --> 00:28:59,733
Speaker 18: that that want to want to create the perfect race

600
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Speaker 18: or something like that, Why doink will go downhill?

601
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Speaker 7: You know that?

602
00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:07,293
Speaker 18: I think it's dangerous technology.

603
00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:12,053
Speaker 2: Yes, so people make super soldiers that have the talons

604
00:29:12,093 --> 00:29:15,293
Speaker 2: of the hearst eagle, that kind of thing.

605
00:29:16,693 --> 00:29:20,253
Speaker 18: No, I just think, you know, well, someone like Donald

606
00:29:20,453 --> 00:29:27,013
Speaker 18: Trump or George Stores creating a whole lot of that sounds.

607
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Speaker 2: You know, well, well, we can. We can already clone.

608
00:29:29,653 --> 00:29:35,093
Speaker 2: So this is slightly different than cloning. I mean, Barbus

609
00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:38,493
Speaker 2: Dreisen's already cloned all her cats, hasn't she, So so

610
00:29:38,573 --> 00:29:39,693
Speaker 2: we can clone already.

611
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Speaker 18: I just think where does this technology?

612
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Speaker 2: So just a quick question on your point, Craig, So,

613
00:29:45,813 --> 00:29:47,653
Speaker 2: how would you feel if they brought back you know,

614
00:29:48,373 --> 00:29:51,653
Speaker 2: old versions of humans, you know, like the Neanderthals.

615
00:29:53,493 --> 00:29:56,493
Speaker 18: No, no, they're not around for a reason. And that's

616
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Speaker 18: the type of thing that I mean, you know, yeah,

617
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Speaker 18: bring back whole civilization.

618
00:30:02,933 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 2: That that would be That would be a real moral question,

619
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Speaker 2: wouldn't it, Craig if we started bringing back I don't know,

620
00:30:07,933 --> 00:30:11,413
Speaker 2: Homer Rectus or or in any number of the the

621
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Speaker 2: the you know, iterations of humans that led.

622
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Speaker 3: Up to us, or even specific people Winston Churchill, Abe

623
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Speaker 3: Lincoln bring Aback. He was pretty good back in the day,

624
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Speaker 3: wasn't he.

625
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Speaker 18: The people at the forefront of the technology. Now that

626
00:30:25,693 --> 00:30:29,293
Speaker 18: could not be in their heads. But who takes this

627
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Speaker 18: science over the future?

628
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Speaker 2: Where I think, yeah, well, there's definitely been occasions when

629
00:30:38,573 --> 00:30:41,413
Speaker 2: we haven't that's that's for sure. Yeah, But the question

630
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Speaker 2: is can you stop science exactly?

631
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Speaker 3: I imagine there are there are many countries who are fast

632
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Speaker 3: advancing in this technology and are keeping it under wraps

633
00:30:51,493 --> 00:30:54,493
Speaker 3: for whatever reason. I would prefer Andrew pask to be

634
00:30:54,573 --> 00:30:57,853
Speaker 3: leading the way he said he was enthusiastic, his heart

635
00:30:57,933 --> 00:30:59,453
Speaker 3: was in the right place, and his morals was in

636
00:30:59,493 --> 00:31:01,733
Speaker 3: the right place. I'd prefer these guys to be leading

637
00:31:01,773 --> 00:31:03,733
Speaker 3: the charge rather than keeping it under wraps in some

638
00:31:03,773 --> 00:31:05,813
Speaker 3: sort of you know, underground lab.

639
00:31:05,973 --> 00:31:06,133
Speaker 8: Yeah.

640
00:31:06,133 --> 00:31:08,613
Speaker 2: And Sir Peter Jackson, he's a good man. Yeah, yeah,

641
00:31:08,853 --> 00:31:12,533
Speaker 2: And he's on board with this, this whole situation. But yeah,

642
00:31:12,613 --> 00:31:15,253
Speaker 2: I mean it would be I don't think I would

643
00:31:15,293 --> 00:31:16,733
Speaker 2: like it if they decided they were going to bring

644
00:31:16,733 --> 00:31:20,093
Speaker 2: back in the end of towe because you bring back

645
00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:23,573
Speaker 2: a conscious being. You know, humans experience the world in

646
00:31:23,573 --> 00:31:25,933
Speaker 2: a very different way than animals. So how would you

647
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Speaker 2: bring up in the end of Towel.

648
00:31:27,813 --> 00:31:29,853
Speaker 3: Because it's an ethics question, right, and I think that's

649
00:31:29,853 --> 00:31:31,373
Speaker 3: going too far on the ethical side.

650
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, it would be pretty cool.

651
00:31:33,333 --> 00:31:34,573
Speaker 3: Does the more I want to come back?

652
00:31:34,733 --> 00:31:37,813
Speaker 2: I imagine it does. We can't ask it. Unfortunately. Well, well,

653
00:31:37,853 --> 00:31:39,813
Speaker 2: the thing is, Tyler, you you're getting confused here. You

654
00:31:39,853 --> 00:31:42,293
Speaker 2: couldn't bring back Winston Churchill. You could get his DNA

655
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Speaker 2: and bring back a A and the same thing as

656
00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:49,493
Speaker 2: Winston Churchill's child, isn't Winston Churchill? Yeah, he had a

657
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:50,533
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on that clone.

658
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Speaker 3: Winston Churchill.

659
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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 3: Right, We're going to take a quick break. It is

661
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Speaker 3: thirteen to two, but back with more of your calls shortly.

662
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

663
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Speaker 1: and eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 2: News DOGSB, News Dogs B.

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Speaker 1: It is two.

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Speaker 2: Listen to the sticks here. What a boring subject you

667
00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:15,893
Speaker 2: guys are talking about? About? If you are bored by

668
00:32:15,933 --> 00:32:19,773
Speaker 2: the return of the more, if you were bored by it,

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Speaker 2: if that doesn't excite anything in you in terms of

670
00:32:23,173 --> 00:32:28,333
Speaker 2: the wider philosophical ramifications, then I don't know what I

671
00:32:28,373 --> 00:32:28,973
Speaker 2: can do for you.

672
00:32:29,133 --> 00:32:32,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you not entertained by the idea of bringing

673
00:32:32,133 --> 00:32:33,173
Speaker 3: back a giant moa?

674
00:32:33,253 --> 00:32:36,213
Speaker 2: Why you're bored by that? That? I mean you must

675
00:32:36,253 --> 00:32:40,573
Speaker 2: be the most meat and two veg gruel of a

676
00:32:40,653 --> 00:32:41,773
Speaker 2: human being to be bored.

677
00:32:42,933 --> 00:32:45,933
Speaker 3: You wait texture until around then you won't be bored.

678
00:32:46,133 --> 00:32:50,173
Speaker 2: Oh God, I hope I never spend any time in

679
00:32:50,213 --> 00:32:54,173
Speaker 2: the company of that person. That's bored by the thought

680
00:32:54,213 --> 00:32:57,773
Speaker 2: of bringing back more. Both. I'm sure there's a lot

681
00:32:57,773 --> 00:33:01,453
Speaker 2: of people around that person that feel the same way exactly, Mark,

682
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

683
00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:06,533
Speaker 19: Yeah, back of the seventies might have been before your time.

684
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:12,093
Speaker 19: Paddy Freedy had barely hotel yep and as fast and

685
00:33:12,413 --> 00:33:14,533
Speaker 19: he was farming them up there. I've been there and

686
00:33:14,613 --> 00:33:15,093
Speaker 19: seen them.

687
00:33:15,973 --> 00:33:19,093
Speaker 2: I've heard this. I've heard the stories. Marke, carry on though.

688
00:33:19,013 --> 00:33:22,333
Speaker 19: You've heard the story. Ye well, I was there one

689
00:33:22,413 --> 00:33:24,293
Speaker 19: night with them and we locked out the window and

690
00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:26,813
Speaker 19: there was one going rounded circle till that must have

691
00:33:26,853 --> 00:33:30,173
Speaker 19: been a rotary bower, and then one went running down

692
00:33:30,253 --> 00:33:32,293
Speaker 19: the road really fast, and I think that was a

693
00:33:32,333 --> 00:33:33,573
Speaker 19: motor bower.

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Speaker 2: A very good Mark. Yeah, yeah, good stuff. Well, I

695
00:33:38,613 --> 00:33:40,293
Speaker 2: like this person. If we do bring back the More,

696
00:33:40,413 --> 00:33:42,893
Speaker 2: you have to call it Anika, So the first one

697
00:33:42,973 --> 00:33:45,573
Speaker 2: needs to be called anka More. That is a good idea. Yeah, yeah,

698
00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:47,533
Speaker 2: very clever. That has to be done. Thanks for your

699
00:33:47,533 --> 00:33:49,413
Speaker 2: cool Brendan. You reckon.

700
00:33:49,453 --> 00:33:51,613
Speaker 3: There's good things and bad things about doing this.

701
00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:57,293
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, I mean, like the key things to think

702
00:33:57,333 --> 00:33:59,773
Speaker 20: about is the fact that humanity was because of them

703
00:33:59,813 --> 00:34:02,453
Speaker 20: being extinct in the first place. So if humanity can

704
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:04,853
Speaker 20: bring them back. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

705
00:34:05,773 --> 00:34:07,693
Speaker 15: Yeah, but there is there is a lot.

706
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Speaker 20: Of cons and well, there's a whole lot of pros

707
00:34:10,692 --> 00:34:12,413
Speaker 20: and cons and we don't have a whole lot of time.

708
00:34:12,453 --> 00:34:13,013
Speaker 15: We can see that.

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00:34:13,773 --> 00:34:17,653
Speaker 20: One of the cons is will there be an environmental

710
00:34:17,693 --> 00:34:21,053
Speaker 20: impact from such a large creature that I obviously had

711
00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:26,533
Speaker 20: to be controlled as like farms. And you know, there's

712
00:34:26,573 --> 00:34:29,013
Speaker 20: there's a whole lot of science to be developed behind it.

713
00:34:29,173 --> 00:34:31,893
Speaker 20: I don't think fifteen million dollars that's going to be

714
00:34:31,933 --> 00:34:33,973
Speaker 20: like a starting point. There's not gonna be enough to

715
00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:36,652
Speaker 20: actual funds to get to the point where they can

716
00:34:36,693 --> 00:34:40,413
Speaker 20: actually create a pretty much accurate to what we expect

717
00:34:40,493 --> 00:34:43,853
Speaker 20: more because you know, that's a there's a lot of

718
00:34:43,933 --> 00:34:45,613
Speaker 20: research into genetics.

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Speaker 15: They're going to have to do prescer.

720
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Speaker 20: Type DNA manipulations.

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Speaker 15: That's that's a very very deep topic.

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Speaker 3: It's a fair point, Brendan. And before we started this topic,

723
00:34:58,013 --> 00:34:59,573
Speaker 3: we did a bit of research. And there's a guy

724
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand called doctor Mike Dickinson. He's a flightless

725
00:35:02,093 --> 00:35:04,773
Speaker 3: bird expert. He was the head of the Wanganui Museum

726
00:35:04,773 --> 00:35:07,133
Speaker 3: and he's done a lot with with natural history, and

727
00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:09,333
Speaker 3: he actually made the claim there that we do need

728
00:35:09,333 --> 00:35:12,693
Speaker 3: the extinct more back for environmental reasons. It's good for

729
00:35:12,733 --> 00:35:16,613
Speaker 3: the ecosystem that when they do thrive, they preserve help

730
00:35:16,653 --> 00:35:19,493
Speaker 3: preserve the forest, and the moral were an important part

731
00:35:19,533 --> 00:35:21,373
Speaker 3: of that because there are large browsing birds. So he

732
00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:23,652
Speaker 3: actually made the case that it could be really good

733
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Speaker 3: for our ecology.

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Speaker 2: To bring these these things back.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I've heard that as well, and I kind of agree,

736
00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:33,053
Speaker 20: but I think that if they're kind.

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Speaker 15: Of they'd have to be doing it in a stage

738
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Speaker 15: sort of fashions them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because so how would you how would you feel

740
00:35:38,933 --> 00:35:41,453
Speaker 2: if they were completely they were brought back and put

741
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Speaker 2: in a Jurassic Park situation, so they're just a tourist

742
00:35:44,733 --> 00:35:47,732
Speaker 2: thing that they're kept behind big fences and they never

743
00:35:47,733 --> 00:35:49,853
Speaker 2: get out into the undergrowth.

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00:35:52,293 --> 00:35:53,613
Speaker 15: Then I say, you set a gimmick.

745
00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:56,533
Speaker 20: If you're going to bring them back, you're even bringing

746
00:35:56,573 --> 00:36:00,293
Speaker 20: them back for farming, because you know they did get

747
00:36:00,853 --> 00:36:03,053
Speaker 20: hunts down and beaten out, because obviously they must have

748
00:36:03,093 --> 00:36:05,853
Speaker 20: been very good found for lost many they looked like

749
00:36:05,853 --> 00:36:10,172
Speaker 20: those were they couldn't fly away, So I think it's

750
00:36:10,173 --> 00:36:11,053
Speaker 20: worth considering.

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00:36:11,493 --> 00:36:13,652
Speaker 15: But there there had there would have to be a

752
00:36:13,813 --> 00:36:15,692
Speaker 15: lot of thought given to But.

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Speaker 4: I was a good for mused to hear some of

754
00:36:17,533 --> 00:36:19,013
Speaker 4: the some of the callers, you.

755
00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:20,813
Speaker 20: Know, the guy at the last guy of the mole

756
00:36:20,973 --> 00:36:25,373
Speaker 20: joke that was about as old as my grandmother's but

757
00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:28,653
Speaker 20: that some of some of the people are are reacting

758
00:36:28,693 --> 00:36:32,333
Speaker 20: from what sounds like fair and permanent ignorance and oboy

759
00:36:32,453 --> 00:36:34,733
Speaker 20: not borrying to actually do any research into the topic.

760
00:36:35,773 --> 00:36:39,212
Speaker 20: So you know, I'm doing some research and something else

761
00:36:39,293 --> 00:36:40,813
Speaker 20: and I'm counting the same problem.

762
00:36:41,293 --> 00:36:44,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's it's a big problem people having opinions

763
00:36:44,573 --> 00:36:46,252
Speaker 2: about research, but we welcome them.

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Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, a hundred percent. Thank you very much, Brendan.

765
00:36:50,093 --> 00:36:54,653
Speaker 3: A couple of texts before the news hits us, guys,

766
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Speaker 3: if Peter Jackson can bring back the mile with the DNA,

767
00:36:58,053 --> 00:37:01,133
Speaker 3: what's stopping anyone bringing back humans with DNA. We did

768
00:37:01,213 --> 00:37:03,813
Speaker 3: discuss that a little bit before, and I you know,

769
00:37:04,533 --> 00:37:08,333
Speaker 3: we I get the argument that is that the slippery

770
00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:11,293
Speaker 3: slow poll the thin edge of the wedge, but I

771
00:37:11,333 --> 00:37:13,413
Speaker 3: don't think so. You know, this technology I think has

772
00:37:13,453 --> 00:37:16,413
Speaker 3: been used for the right reasons, and people like Professor

773
00:37:16,413 --> 00:37:20,613
Speaker 3: Andrew Pask, they've got the enthusiasm intelligence and backing to

774
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:21,733
Speaker 3: be able to do it properly.

775
00:37:21,853 --> 00:37:24,493
Speaker 2: I just want cool and exciting things to happen in

776
00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:28,413
Speaker 2: my lifetime. That's what I care about, cool and exciting things.

777
00:37:28,453 --> 00:37:31,173
Speaker 2: And if I got to see a more walking around,

778
00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:34,573
Speaker 2: I would love that. Yesterday we're talking about zoos. I

779
00:37:34,613 --> 00:37:36,253
Speaker 2: love to go and see a giraffe. I love to

780
00:37:36,253 --> 00:37:37,893
Speaker 2: go and see an elephant. I would love to see

781
00:37:37,893 --> 00:37:41,013
Speaker 2: a wooly memmoth. Yeah, you know, call me selfish. Maybe

782
00:37:41,053 --> 00:37:42,253
Speaker 2: it'll lead to the end of the world, but I

783
00:37:42,293 --> 00:37:45,453
Speaker 2: would love to see a more in the flesh. And

784
00:37:45,493 --> 00:37:49,133
Speaker 2: I am so interested. As I asked Andrew Plank prefers

785
00:37:49,213 --> 00:37:51,652
Speaker 2: Andrew Plank whether it's going to have the straight up

786
00:37:51,693 --> 00:37:54,893
Speaker 2: neck that they made when they first found the bones

787
00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:57,053
Speaker 2: and put them together for displaying museums, or have the

788
00:37:57,093 --> 00:38:00,373
Speaker 2: curved in Unick. Yes, because I think we've put them

789
00:38:00,533 --> 00:38:02,693
Speaker 2: the next straight up and I think everyone probably agrees

790
00:38:02,733 --> 00:38:04,693
Speaker 2: with me here, just to make it as tall as possible,

791
00:38:04,733 --> 00:38:06,172
Speaker 2: so it could be as cool as possible, you.

792
00:38:06,093 --> 00:38:08,973
Speaker 3: Know, to get that extra three point six meters.

793
00:38:09,093 --> 00:38:10,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't think they will be they'll look

794
00:38:11,013 --> 00:38:12,773
Speaker 2: like that, quite like that, but they will be very

795
00:38:12,853 --> 00:38:15,413
Speaker 2: very cool and I for one, support it to right.

796
00:38:15,653 --> 00:38:16,013
Speaker 7: That was it?

797
00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:18,733
Speaker 2: Yeah? And if you're bored by the idea of bringing

798
00:38:18,773 --> 00:38:21,652
Speaker 2: back the more, look, I don't know what I can

799
00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:24,053
Speaker 2: say so I help you. I feel very very sorry

800
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:26,493
Speaker 2: for you, Feel very very sorry for you and the

801
00:38:26,493 --> 00:38:28,853
Speaker 2: people that have to spend time with you. Great discussion,

802
00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:29,652
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

803
00:38:29,733 --> 00:38:32,213
Speaker 3: Really enjoyed all your phone calls and all your texts

804
00:38:32,213 --> 00:38:35,812
Speaker 3: on that one. New sport and weather is on its way.

805
00:38:35,893 --> 00:38:38,573
Speaker 3: Really great to have your company as always. You're listening

806
00:38:38,653 --> 00:38:40,533
Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyler. We'll see you on the other

807
00:38:40,573 --> 00:38:41,093
Speaker 3: side of.

808
00:38:41,133 --> 00:38:42,133
Speaker 2: Two o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams.

810
00:39:23,173 --> 00:39:25,253
Speaker 1: Afternoons used dog Zi, be.

811
00:39:26,733 --> 00:39:29,013
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons you welcome back into the program. Great

812
00:39:29,053 --> 00:39:32,692
Speaker 3: to have your company as always. It is seven pass too.

813
00:39:32,773 --> 00:39:34,653
Speaker 3: Now let's get into this. We want to talk about

814
00:39:34,693 --> 00:39:38,133
Speaker 3: Friday work drinks. But a story today is a bit

815
00:39:38,133 --> 00:39:41,173
Speaker 3: of a pylon on a member senior member of a

816
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:45,093
Speaker 3: public health agency. So staff members have called it pretty

817
00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:47,773
Speaker 3: ironic that Friday drink sessions have been organized by the

818
00:39:47,813 --> 00:39:50,493
Speaker 3: senior health manager in charge of reducing alcohol harm. The

819
00:39:50,573 --> 00:39:54,093
Speaker 3: lead manager for that part of the public health agency

820
00:39:54,733 --> 00:39:57,973
Speaker 3: is organizing Friday night drinks for staff. His name is

821
00:39:58,093 --> 00:40:00,733
Speaker 3: Ross Belle. He is very well known in health circles

822
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Speaker 3: and they were known as Ross's Friday Drinks. A lot

823
00:40:04,813 --> 00:40:08,933
Speaker 3: of staff have come out anonymously and gone to this

824
00:40:08,973 --> 00:40:13,093
Speaker 3: particular remorter. Former staff and gone to this particular reporter

825
00:40:13,173 --> 00:40:16,413
Speaker 3: in question. One of them said, obviously, these are pretty

826
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:19,413
Speaker 3: low standards for professional behavior at the Ministry of Health.

827
00:40:19,453 --> 00:40:22,373
Speaker 3: Talking about the Friday drinks, another form of staff member says,

828
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Speaker 3: it was pretty ironic that someone in Ross Bell's position

829
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Speaker 3: would be promoting the use of alcohol in the workplace.

830
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Speaker 2: I would say, this is my theory on this, that

831
00:40:34,173 --> 00:40:37,333
Speaker 2: you can have work drinks and it not be problem drinking.

832
00:40:37,933 --> 00:40:40,453
Speaker 2: So you can live a healthy life and have a

833
00:40:40,493 --> 00:40:43,893
Speaker 2: few drinks from time to time. So the idea that

834
00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:46,652
Speaker 2: someone but just because they're working in the Ministry of

835
00:40:46,693 --> 00:40:52,613
Speaker 2: Health should never have drinks and should not organize work

836
00:40:52,693 --> 00:40:55,133
Speaker 2: drinks considering all the mental health benefits there are of

837
00:40:55,173 --> 00:40:59,413
Speaker 2: people getting together and the culture that you form by

838
00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:02,293
Speaker 2: people spending time together outside of just doing the job

839
00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:06,772
Speaker 2: they're doing, then I just don't. I just cannot. It's

840
00:41:06,813 --> 00:41:10,853
Speaker 2: not a zero. Some things not because they have talking

841
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:14,053
Speaker 2: about the harms of alcohol in the community, they should

842
00:41:14,093 --> 00:41:16,533
Speaker 2: never drink. Yeah, that's not how it works. It's not

843
00:41:16,613 --> 00:41:19,453
Speaker 2: like the people that talk about the harms of driving

844
00:41:19,573 --> 00:41:22,773
Speaker 2: cars never drive cars. In fact, you want people that

845
00:41:22,893 --> 00:41:25,652
Speaker 2: know about driving cars. I think that someone that's talking

846
00:41:25,693 --> 00:41:28,653
Speaker 2: about the harm of alcohol in the community, I'd prefer

847
00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:30,613
Speaker 2: to have someone that knew something about it, rather than

848
00:41:30,733 --> 00:41:33,453
Speaker 2: just a complete teetotaling walser that's never been part of

849
00:41:33,493 --> 00:41:36,413
Speaker 2: that world. So if they're having a couple of wines

850
00:41:36,493 --> 00:41:38,652
Speaker 2: or a couple of beers at the end of the week,

851
00:41:39,333 --> 00:41:42,973
Speaker 2: how I cannot even see how anyone thinks that's hypocritical.

852
00:41:43,653 --> 00:41:45,533
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's a very very fair point.

853
00:41:45,573 --> 00:41:47,453
Speaker 3: But I think I'd be more outraged if they weren't

854
00:41:47,493 --> 00:41:50,613
Speaker 3: having Friday drinks or some sort of socializing element there, because,

855
00:41:50,693 --> 00:41:52,813
Speaker 3: like you said, I firmly believe this. I've been in

856
00:41:52,853 --> 00:41:55,333
Speaker 3: workplaces where there's been no Friday drinks, no sort of

857
00:41:55,373 --> 00:41:57,172
Speaker 3: social events outside of.

858
00:41:57,093 --> 00:41:57,813
Speaker 2: What you do with work.

859
00:41:57,853 --> 00:42:00,813
Speaker 3: They were horrible places to work, really horrible. Everybody hated

860
00:42:00,813 --> 00:42:03,053
Speaker 3: each other. There was no sort of friendships being formed

861
00:42:03,213 --> 00:42:04,973
Speaker 3: or any sort of bonding going on. If you want

862
00:42:05,013 --> 00:42:08,732
Speaker 3: a cohesive team culture, you've got to offer those of things.

863
00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:11,133
Speaker 3: And having a couple of beers on a Friday after

864
00:42:11,173 --> 00:42:14,413
Speaker 3: a big week and maybe letting off some steam or

865
00:42:14,493 --> 00:42:16,732
Speaker 3: just having a laugh with your workmates. That is so

866
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Speaker 3: good for company culture.

867
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Speaker 2: And you don't have to drink. You can go along

868
00:42:19,853 --> 00:42:21,973
Speaker 2: and have a bloody orange juice if you want. Exactly

869
00:42:22,093 --> 00:42:26,813
Speaker 2: if there's a few crisps and crisp sounds nerdy to see.

870
00:42:26,973 --> 00:42:30,053
Speaker 2: It's such a uk saying there's a bag of crisps

871
00:42:30,453 --> 00:42:33,692
Speaker 2: and you know, some sodas, some orange and a few

872
00:42:33,693 --> 00:42:38,133
Speaker 2: beers and some wines and everyone you know enjoys each

873
00:42:38,173 --> 00:42:40,853
Speaker 2: other's company. I don't care what company you're working for.

874
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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're a senior public health agency manager.

875
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Speaker 2: I don't care. It's not it's not related that the

876
00:42:46,693 --> 00:42:49,573
Speaker 2: fact that people can find ways to get outraged like

877
00:42:49,613 --> 00:42:54,013
Speaker 2: this is the real problem. People wandering around finding ways

878
00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:58,333
Speaker 2: to try and score points against people. They're the problem

879
00:42:58,413 --> 00:43:00,772
Speaker 2: in a community. What a few work drinks at any

880
00:43:01,093 --> 00:43:04,533
Speaker 2: work agency, and look, they were paying for the drinks themselves.

881
00:43:04,973 --> 00:43:06,173
Speaker 2: Wasn't coming out of the budget.

882
00:43:06,293 --> 00:43:08,693
Speaker 3: Yep, there's no taxpayer money being used to thank you

883
00:43:08,693 --> 00:43:10,773
Speaker 3: for saying that. Because I've dealt with Ross Bell on

884
00:43:10,813 --> 00:43:14,373
Speaker 3: a few occasions over my time in the media, and

885
00:43:14,493 --> 00:43:17,533
Speaker 3: this guy has worked his ass off for health for

886
00:43:17,573 --> 00:43:20,053
Speaker 3: a long long time. He's very esteemed and he's done

887
00:43:20,053 --> 00:43:22,573
Speaker 3: some incredible work, and he's been a great advocate for

888
00:43:22,693 --> 00:43:25,573
Speaker 3: many different organizations within health and this just felt like

889
00:43:25,693 --> 00:43:28,253
Speaker 3: such a pylon for a guy that was trying to

890
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:31,853
Speaker 3: boost up culture within an organization that is probably pretty

891
00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:34,613
Speaker 3: miserable at times, and he gets grief for it.

892
00:43:34,733 --> 00:43:39,373
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So he's esteemed, but not necessarily steamed at

893
00:43:39,373 --> 00:43:40,853
Speaker 2: his work. Drinks Tyler if.

894
00:43:40,693 --> 00:43:42,813
Speaker 3: He wants to get a little bit steamed, and you

895
00:43:42,893 --> 00:43:43,733
Speaker 3: know that's okay.

896
00:43:43,893 --> 00:43:46,013
Speaker 2: He's so esteemed in your in your mind that it's

897
00:43:46,053 --> 00:43:48,533
Speaker 2: fine if he gets a little bit steamed. Yeah, but yeah,

898
00:43:48,573 --> 00:43:50,293
Speaker 2: he's done great works. He was previously at the New

899
00:43:50,373 --> 00:43:52,813
Speaker 2: Zealand Drug Foundation. But it's not about him. It's it's

900
00:43:52,893 --> 00:43:56,293
Speaker 2: just more about the idea, the zero sum way of

901
00:43:56,293 --> 00:44:01,333
Speaker 2: looking at things. Alcohol causes harm, So absolutely zero alcohol.

902
00:44:02,093 --> 00:44:05,733
Speaker 2: You're you're you're tarring people with the brush of someone

903
00:44:05,733 --> 00:44:09,453
Speaker 2: that's getting completely steamed and ending up smashing bottles on

904
00:44:09,493 --> 00:44:12,093
Speaker 2: the street with someone that's having a quiet wine with

905
00:44:12,133 --> 00:44:14,813
Speaker 2: their workmates and bonding a little bit about the job

906
00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:16,893
Speaker 2: they do and getting to know each other a little

907
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:17,293
Speaker 2: bit more.

908
00:44:17,613 --> 00:44:19,733
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear

909
00:44:19,773 --> 00:44:21,973
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this one. Is this a bit of

910
00:44:21,973 --> 00:44:23,893
Speaker 3: a pylon on Ross Bell who was a senior min

911
00:44:24,213 --> 00:44:27,893
Speaker 3: manager of the Public Health Agency and Friday drinks? Do

912
00:44:27,933 --> 00:44:31,173
Speaker 3: you have them in your workplace? Do they provide a

913
00:44:31,333 --> 00:44:35,453
Speaker 3: necessarily necessary boost to culture or do you think there's

914
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:36,893
Speaker 3: no need to offer that sort of thing?

915
00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:39,533
Speaker 2: And hashtag bring back the woods, that's going to be

916
00:44:39,573 --> 00:44:43,853
Speaker 2: too long a hashtag, but bring back the drinks trolley. Ah,

917
00:44:43,893 --> 00:44:46,772
Speaker 2: the drinks trolley that brings back memories back in the day.

918
00:44:46,973 --> 00:44:49,093
Speaker 2: In this particular company, there used to be a drinks

919
00:44:49,133 --> 00:44:51,773
Speaker 2: trolley that you'd wheel round and people would have a

920
00:44:51,813 --> 00:44:53,613
Speaker 2: drink at their desk. You'd wheel it around at four

921
00:44:53,613 --> 00:44:57,573
Speaker 2: o'clock with some crisp styler, yes nice, and some drinks.

922
00:44:57,773 --> 00:45:00,493
Speaker 2: And I think it was a great community thing. Yeah,

923
00:45:00,533 --> 00:45:02,373
Speaker 2: you know, I used to love when it was my

924
00:45:02,453 --> 00:45:04,693
Speaker 2: turn to wheel it round. I got to meet everyone

925
00:45:04,693 --> 00:45:05,173
Speaker 2: in the building.

926
00:45:05,253 --> 00:45:06,732
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I heard stories when you're

927
00:45:06,733 --> 00:45:09,172
Speaker 3: in charge of that drink's trolley, stories.

928
00:45:08,973 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 2: Drinks create community. O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

929
00:45:12,973 --> 00:45:15,573
Speaker 3: It is twelve past two.

930
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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons

931
00:45:20,933 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said.

932
00:45:23,853 --> 00:45:23,933
Speaker 8: Be.

933
00:45:25,933 --> 00:45:28,573
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It is quarter past two

934
00:45:28,693 --> 00:45:31,213
Speaker 3: and we're talking about Friday drinks at work. A story

935
00:45:31,373 --> 00:45:34,493
Speaker 3: are out today is a bit of a pylon on

936
00:45:34,533 --> 00:45:37,413
Speaker 3: a man called Ross Bell. He's well known in public circles.

937
00:45:37,453 --> 00:45:39,893
Speaker 3: He is one of the senior managers at the Public

938
00:45:39,893 --> 00:45:45,093
Speaker 3: Health Agency and some former staff members have a nominoe god.

939
00:45:45,133 --> 00:45:48,573
Speaker 3: I say that word again. Anonymously gone to the reporter

940
00:45:48,653 --> 00:45:51,933
Speaker 3: in question and said that the Friday drinks that he

941
00:45:52,093 --> 00:45:55,613
Speaker 3: hosts on occasion is hypocrisy. So what do you say, oh,

942
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:57,933
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and Friday work drinks?

943
00:45:57,973 --> 00:46:00,893
Speaker 3: Are they an important part of developing culture within a workplace?

944
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:03,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said that, you know, Friday drinks

945
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:06,013
Speaker 2: can create community, Well, they create community before this person

946
00:46:06,053 --> 00:46:09,653
Speaker 2: said yes, but drinks can also ruin communities. That's absolutely true. Yeah,

947
00:46:09,693 --> 00:46:12,933
Speaker 2: but I think that it's all on Hey, you know,

948
00:46:13,253 --> 00:46:16,333
Speaker 2: at one end, you've got the horrible outcomes of drinks

949
00:46:16,373 --> 00:46:19,293
Speaker 2: and people that behave terribly on drinks and that that exists,

950
00:46:19,293 --> 00:46:21,413
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. At the other end, you've

951
00:46:21,413 --> 00:46:23,453
Speaker 2: got a couple of drinks at work at the end

952
00:46:23,493 --> 00:46:25,413
Speaker 2: of the week with the people that you work with,

953
00:46:25,733 --> 00:46:27,773
Speaker 2: that you learn more about what they do in their

954
00:46:27,813 --> 00:46:29,013
Speaker 2: life and what they are as people.

955
00:46:29,093 --> 00:46:30,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know exactly.

956
00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:32,853
Speaker 2: So I don't think I don't think that just because

957
00:46:33,413 --> 00:46:35,173
Speaker 2: you know, just because you were someone that's working in

958
00:46:35,293 --> 00:46:39,053
Speaker 2: health in New Zealand and health messaging that you knew

959
00:46:39,253 --> 00:46:42,533
Speaker 2: you're necessarily saying absolutely no drinks either. I mean looking

960
00:46:42,693 --> 00:46:45,693
Speaker 2: during COVID lockdown, the government decided that one of the

961
00:46:45,693 --> 00:46:48,213
Speaker 2: one things that was most important of all was that

962
00:46:48,453 --> 00:46:49,733
Speaker 2: we could still get into bottle stores.

963
00:46:49,813 --> 00:46:51,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank god for that. Oh eight hundred and

964
00:46:51,653 --> 00:46:55,212
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Robin. What's

965
00:46:55,253 --> 00:46:55,853
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this.

966
00:46:56,853 --> 00:46:58,652
Speaker 21: My thoughts are on that is I think come, it's

967
00:46:58,693 --> 00:47:00,853
Speaker 21: a good idea, and I think come, I mean, I

968
00:47:00,853 --> 00:47:04,933
Speaker 21: don't drink alcohol, but they won't. They'll have other drinks

969
00:47:04,933 --> 00:47:05,813
Speaker 21: other than alcohol.

970
00:47:07,013 --> 00:47:10,172
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And they did go to a Friday.

971
00:47:09,893 --> 00:47:12,613
Speaker 21: Night and just drink alcohol. I mean you just go

972
00:47:12,733 --> 00:47:13,893
Speaker 21: for socializing, don't you.

973
00:47:14,413 --> 00:47:17,933
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, when you go to a restaurant, Robin. People,

974
00:47:18,213 --> 00:47:19,853
Speaker 2: you know, people go out to a restaurant and don't

975
00:47:19,853 --> 00:47:23,213
Speaker 2: necessarily get absolutely trolleyed. But they might have a wine

976
00:47:23,253 --> 00:47:24,173
Speaker 2: with their meal.

977
00:47:25,173 --> 00:47:26,973
Speaker 21: Yes, but you might have something else. You might even

978
00:47:27,013 --> 00:47:27,812
Speaker 21: have a glass of water.

979
00:47:27,853 --> 00:47:28,333
Speaker 6: Who cares?

980
00:47:28,413 --> 00:47:31,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, who cares? Yeah, exactly. And have you worked in

981
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:34,853
Speaker 2: places with Friday night drinks in the past.

982
00:47:34,693 --> 00:47:37,493
Speaker 21: Robin, Yes, I have in the past, and my husband

983
00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:41,973
Speaker 21: definitely believed or not. And you know, it's about building

984
00:47:42,013 --> 00:47:43,293
Speaker 21: a team spirit.

985
00:47:43,013 --> 00:47:43,813
Speaker 2: Isn't it.

986
00:47:43,813 --> 00:47:46,453
Speaker 21: It's about getting to know your fellow workers in a

987
00:47:46,453 --> 00:47:50,053
Speaker 21: different way. It's about communicating with each other. I mean,

988
00:47:50,093 --> 00:47:54,173
Speaker 21: it's about Yes, that's my opinion anyway. And I just

989
00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:56,293
Speaker 21: in this dad age of so many drinks, it's non

990
00:47:56,293 --> 00:48:00,973
Speaker 21: alcoholic wines as low alcohol beers. I mean, just because

991
00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:03,013
Speaker 21: it's a Friday night drinks, it's a drinks.

992
00:48:03,573 --> 00:48:03,772
Speaker 8: Yeah.

993
00:48:03,773 --> 00:48:07,773
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Actually, at our workplace here at enz ME,

994
00:48:08,453 --> 00:48:10,573
Speaker 2: they call it the They've changed the name from Friday

995
00:48:10,653 --> 00:48:12,933
Speaker 2: Drinks to the Monthly Mingle. Yes, it should be weekly.

996
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:14,533
Speaker 2: I can't believe they've cut it down to once a month,

997
00:48:14,573 --> 00:48:17,333
Speaker 2: but which is absolutely shocking. I'm disgusted by that part.

998
00:48:17,333 --> 00:48:19,813
Speaker 2: Of it, but they say monthly mingle because they just

999
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:21,413
Speaker 2: want to make it clear that there'll be some drinks,

1000
00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:23,693
Speaker 2: but there'll be some there'll be some pizzas, there'll be

1001
00:48:23,813 --> 00:48:27,613
Speaker 2: some some some cokes, there'll be some orange juice.

1002
00:48:27,973 --> 00:48:28,212
Speaker 4: Everything.

1003
00:48:28,293 --> 00:48:30,733
Speaker 3: It'll be some mingling. Yeah, yeah, So just call.

1004
00:48:30,613 --> 00:48:33,093
Speaker 2: It a monthly mingle and then and then serve drinks

1005
00:48:33,093 --> 00:48:34,693
Speaker 2: and people can have enough they want. Yeah, thank you

1006
00:48:34,773 --> 00:48:35,733
Speaker 2: so much for your call, Robins.

1007
00:48:35,933 --> 00:48:39,093
Speaker 3: Plenty of great teachs coming through on nine to nine two.

1008
00:48:39,853 --> 00:48:43,533
Speaker 3: This one says from the former workers who said this

1009
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:49,732
Speaker 3: is hypocrisy. They probably have said lives outside of their

1010
00:48:49,733 --> 00:48:51,413
Speaker 3: work department. Nothing wrong with it.

1011
00:48:52,413 --> 00:48:56,973
Speaker 2: Your your former workers that are complaining probably watch Pornhub

1012
00:48:57,053 --> 00:49:00,333
Speaker 2: on a regular basis and Paul wings off flies for kicks.

1013
00:49:00,733 --> 00:49:04,253
Speaker 2: All right, okay, is a street show. I don't I

1014
00:49:04,253 --> 00:49:06,973
Speaker 2: don't have any information. They might, Yeah, they might. These

1015
00:49:06,973 --> 00:49:10,692
Speaker 2: former employees that are an online throwing a rob bell

1016
00:49:10,813 --> 00:49:13,172
Speaker 2: under the under the ross bell under the bus. They

1017
00:49:13,173 --> 00:49:14,853
Speaker 2: may pull the wings of flies. I don't know.

1018
00:49:15,013 --> 00:49:18,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a free will. It's quite quite possible. Well,

1019
00:49:18,413 --> 00:49:20,093
Speaker 3: we'll look into this, yeah, yeah, we'll do some more

1020
00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:21,813
Speaker 3: research on the background.

1021
00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:22,933
Speaker 2: Jason, you reckon.

1022
00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:26,293
Speaker 20: It's ridiculous buys.

1023
00:49:26,773 --> 00:49:28,333
Speaker 8: These sound little people.

1024
00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:30,733
Speaker 9: They can't even put their names to this.

1025
00:49:31,173 --> 00:49:35,893
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, like they need to go out and have some.

1026
00:49:35,893 --> 00:49:38,093
Speaker 9: Drinks instead of going to a woman putting their jams on,

1027
00:49:38,253 --> 00:49:40,853
Speaker 9: sitting in the park behind the keyboard, having to go

1028
00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:42,813
Speaker 9: all the people for living their life.

1029
00:49:44,253 --> 00:49:46,293
Speaker 2: It does that paint that kind of picture, Jason, where

1030
00:49:46,533 --> 00:49:50,213
Speaker 2: they're looking over it, looking over at the work drinks,

1031
00:49:50,333 --> 00:49:51,973
Speaker 2: like those hobbits at the start of the Lord of

1032
00:49:51,973 --> 00:49:53,692
Speaker 2: the Rings judging Bobo.

1033
00:49:54,933 --> 00:49:58,773
Speaker 4: Along with these people, like it's so vitally important.

1034
00:49:58,333 --> 00:50:03,973
Speaker 9: To have that socialization. You don't have to drink alcohol.

1035
00:50:04,333 --> 00:50:06,813
Speaker 4: Drinks are drinks? What is a drink?

1036
00:50:08,493 --> 00:50:08,933
Speaker 8: Personally?

1037
00:50:08,973 --> 00:50:11,293
Speaker 15: I don't drink anymore because I can't.

1038
00:50:12,853 --> 00:50:16,453
Speaker 2: But do you mind me asking why you can't drink anymore? Jason?

1039
00:50:16,453 --> 00:50:19,013
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me prying because I'm too good

1040
00:50:19,013 --> 00:50:20,813
Speaker 2: at it? Right, you're too what?

1041
00:50:20,933 --> 00:50:22,693
Speaker 8: Sorry, I'm too good at it?

1042
00:50:23,253 --> 00:50:28,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, so to play devil's advocate. I I

1043
00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:30,573
Speaker 3: agree with you, Jason, But the play devil's advocate here?

1044
00:50:30,773 --> 00:50:35,093
Speaker 3: This this health agency in question is responsible for alcohol

1045
00:50:35,253 --> 00:50:39,853
Speaker 3: harm reduction. Do you do you see any challenges there

1046
00:50:39,893 --> 00:50:42,973
Speaker 3: for them? Offering this to to their workers if their

1047
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:46,172
Speaker 3: main mission statement is to try and reduce the harm

1048
00:50:46,213 --> 00:50:49,253
Speaker 3: caused by alcohol, and then they're offering this is as

1049
00:50:49,293 --> 00:50:52,653
Speaker 3: something that staff members can come along to and beers

1050
00:50:52,653 --> 00:50:54,652
Speaker 3: will be provided on their own cost.

1051
00:50:57,213 --> 00:50:58,893
Speaker 9: I don't want to I hate to use the word

1052
00:50:58,973 --> 00:51:02,413
Speaker 9: assume for obvious reasons, but I am assuming that this

1053
00:51:02,493 --> 00:51:03,172
Speaker 9: gentleman is.

1054
00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:06,373
Speaker 15: Not engouraging drunkenness.

1055
00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:07,973
Speaker 8: Et cetera.

1056
00:51:08,013 --> 00:51:11,813
Speaker 9: Act I'm assuming that there's offering a couple of drinks

1057
00:51:12,293 --> 00:51:15,853
Speaker 9: and an hour of chart and social and to let

1058
00:51:15,853 --> 00:51:17,133
Speaker 9: off steam at the end of the week.

1059
00:51:17,413 --> 00:51:18,173
Speaker 22: What's wrong with that?

1060
00:51:18,533 --> 00:51:20,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's kind of goes to what I was

1061
00:51:20,733 --> 00:51:23,573
Speaker 2: sort of saying Jason before that. I think people use

1062
00:51:23,693 --> 00:51:27,893
Speaker 2: the absolute worst case scenario to beat up on something

1063
00:51:27,933 --> 00:51:32,212
Speaker 2: which is actually quite wholesome and safe. So they go, well,

1064
00:51:32,613 --> 00:51:34,733
Speaker 2: you can, you can come up with a million terrible

1065
00:51:34,733 --> 00:51:38,853
Speaker 2: things that can potentially happen, but it's unfair to beat

1066
00:51:38,933 --> 00:51:41,613
Speaker 2: up on something that isn't causing those problems, you know.

1067
00:51:41,813 --> 00:51:43,333
Speaker 2: And and also the fact that there was no there

1068
00:51:43,373 --> 00:51:46,813
Speaker 2: was no complaints from anyone working there. There's only complaints

1069
00:51:46,853 --> 00:51:51,933
Speaker 2: from former staff. Yeah, that's telling Hey, where's your where's

1070
00:51:51,933 --> 00:51:56,573
Speaker 2: your accent from Jason, if you don't mind me asking. God,

1071
00:51:56,573 --> 00:51:57,813
Speaker 2: I love the yilk j accent.

1072
00:51:59,093 --> 00:52:01,933
Speaker 3: Character to it, Jason, And just quickly before.

1073
00:52:01,693 --> 00:52:04,133
Speaker 9: Sorry you go, I was just going to say twenty

1074
00:52:04,133 --> 00:52:06,333
Speaker 9: five years living in New Zealand and this.

1075
00:52:07,853 --> 00:52:09,493
Speaker 2: I heard a little bit there when you see you

1076
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:10,653
Speaker 2: kind of see in New Zealand.

1077
00:52:11,053 --> 00:52:13,613
Speaker 9: So I think I'll do a bit. It's funny if

1078
00:52:13,653 --> 00:52:15,973
Speaker 9: I go to my hometown people think I'm Australian.

1079
00:52:18,853 --> 00:52:20,773
Speaker 2: What shocks me when I go overseas people think I'm

1080
00:52:20,813 --> 00:52:25,053
Speaker 2: South Africa Oday, Yeah, we're in a bit of a

1081
00:52:25,653 --> 00:52:29,133
Speaker 2: UK twang. Well I think I think I think Australian,

1082
00:52:29,773 --> 00:52:32,853
Speaker 2: New Zealand and South African accents are closer than than

1083
00:52:32,893 --> 00:52:36,533
Speaker 2: we then we maybe like to admit yeah, probably. Thank

1084
00:52:36,533 --> 00:52:38,093
Speaker 2: you so much for your call, Jason cheers.

1085
00:52:38,133 --> 00:52:39,773
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1086
00:52:39,853 --> 00:52:42,013
Speaker 3: number to call. Do you have Friday work drinks at

1087
00:52:42,053 --> 00:52:45,413
Speaker 3: your place of work? Did HR or the boss get

1088
00:52:45,453 --> 00:52:48,133
Speaker 3: rid of them because he thought it was too dangerous?

1089
00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:50,773
Speaker 3: And what do you feel about this health agency offering

1090
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Speaker 3: their staff an opportunity to come on a Friday and

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00:52:53,733 --> 00:52:55,533
Speaker 3: have a couple of beers or wines? To let off

1092
00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:56,013
Speaker 3: some steam.

1093
00:52:56,053 --> 00:52:57,933
Speaker 2: And what do you think what Kevin says here supporting

1094
00:52:57,933 --> 00:53:00,533
Speaker 2: my idea that there's community that's grown by work drinks,

1095
00:53:00,653 --> 00:53:04,573
Speaker 2: he said, here's one for you Booze building office Optimism,

1096
00:53:04,773 --> 00:53:08,613
Speaker 2: zeal And Engagement. Hi, that man right now n is

1097
00:53:08,613 --> 00:53:10,533
Speaker 2: looking at a PSA that the government gets out their

1098
00:53:10,573 --> 00:53:13,573
Speaker 2: booze building office optimism, zeal And engagement. That's the hype

1099
00:53:13,573 --> 00:53:14,212
Speaker 2: man we need.

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00:53:14,533 --> 00:53:22,373
Speaker 3: It is twenty three past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

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00:53:23,773 --> 00:53:26,893
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB very good afternoons.

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00:53:26,893 --> 00:53:29,173
Speaker 3: You were talking about the Friday work drinks and article

1104
00:53:29,213 --> 00:53:32,413
Speaker 3: today that is a bit of a pylon in my

1105
00:53:32,493 --> 00:53:35,173
Speaker 3: opinion of a man called Ross Balleies. Well, no in

1106
00:53:35,173 --> 00:53:37,773
Speaker 3: the health circles and he did have on occasion the

1107
00:53:37,853 --> 00:53:40,853
Speaker 3: Rosses Friday drinks. A whole bunch of former staff members

1108
00:53:40,853 --> 00:53:43,333
Speaker 3: that come out saying it's hypocrisy because part of this

1109
00:53:43,373 --> 00:53:47,573
Speaker 3: health agency's mission statement is alcohol reduction, alcoholm reduction.

1110
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Speaker 2: I should say it's interesting in this alcohol one of

1111
00:53:49,653 --> 00:53:52,453
Speaker 2: the reasons that they come out against work drinks is

1112
00:53:52,573 --> 00:53:55,853
Speaker 2: it can lower in ambitions, causing people to behave inappropriately,

1113
00:53:56,013 --> 00:53:58,333
Speaker 2: which can lead to stress, anxiety and even the loss

1114
00:53:58,373 --> 00:54:01,172
Speaker 2: of employment. That's on you. If you behave in such

1115
00:54:01,213 --> 00:54:04,893
Speaker 2: a way at work drinks that it leads to stress,

1116
00:54:04,893 --> 00:54:09,253
Speaker 2: anxiety and loss of employment, then that's on you, not

1117
00:54:09,293 --> 00:54:11,573
Speaker 2: the work drinks. Yeah, control yourself for goodness sake. You're

1118
00:54:11,613 --> 00:54:13,653
Speaker 2: a team. I used to work for a company owned

1119
00:54:13,693 --> 00:54:15,772
Speaker 2: by one of the richest people in the UK. Wonder

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00:54:15,813 --> 00:54:18,893
Speaker 2: who that was? The CEO? Is to say the team

1121
00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:21,533
Speaker 2: that plays together stays together us so true and I

1122
00:54:21,613 --> 00:54:24,613
Speaker 2: had many a good time at Friday work at drinks

1123
00:54:24,653 --> 00:54:26,293
Speaker 2: in London. That's from John.

1124
00:54:26,453 --> 00:54:29,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a great line. Fully agree with that.

1125
00:54:29,053 --> 00:54:30,533
Speaker 3: The team that plays together stays together?

1126
00:54:31,093 --> 00:54:33,453
Speaker 2: Is that buddy? I wonder if that was the richest

1127
00:54:33,453 --> 00:54:35,413
Speaker 2: man in the UK, I'll be one of the rich

1128
00:54:35,453 --> 00:54:37,053
Speaker 2: It would be Richard Branson. Surely he was a big

1129
00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:40,333
Speaker 2: drunk and he would love a Friday Richard Branson. Honestly,

1130
00:54:40,373 --> 00:54:43,533
Speaker 2: that was Richard Branson. Girard, welcome to the show.

1131
00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:45,573
Speaker 15: Gee, how's it going?

1132
00:54:45,573 --> 00:54:46,093
Speaker 4: Met and color?

1133
00:54:46,653 --> 00:54:47,133
Speaker 2: Very good?

1134
00:54:49,493 --> 00:54:52,773
Speaker 22: Yeah, So on my points. When I started I'm a

1135
00:54:52,773 --> 00:54:56,253
Speaker 22: branch manager for one of the electoral companies here in Auckland,

1136
00:54:56,493 --> 00:55:01,933
Speaker 22: and when I started at the company. Our team was fractured.

1137
00:55:02,053 --> 00:55:05,013
Speaker 22: There was a lot of mistrust between the guards, and

1138
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:09,013
Speaker 22: are brought in a monkey barbecue for the guards. First

1139
00:55:09,013 --> 00:55:12,013
Speaker 22: Friday of every month. We'd do a barbecue and the

1140
00:55:12,053 --> 00:55:14,453
Speaker 22: guys would come together and we would I'd offer drinks,

1141
00:55:14,453 --> 00:55:16,053
Speaker 22: so there would be beers in the fridge, but I'd

1142
00:55:16,053 --> 00:55:18,893
Speaker 22: also off obviously spark coke, all of your your standard

1143
00:55:18,973 --> 00:55:22,693
Speaker 22: soft drinks and orange uses. And I can tell you

1144
00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:25,613
Speaker 22: now that more than eighty percent of my team don't drink.

1145
00:55:26,013 --> 00:55:28,973
Speaker 22: And I ask them why and they're like, no, because

1146
00:55:29,013 --> 00:55:31,853
Speaker 22: they just don't drink alcohols yep. So and we've got

1147
00:55:31,893 --> 00:55:35,053
Speaker 22: no issues with that. But having get barbacue and bringing

1148
00:55:35,053 --> 00:55:38,693
Speaker 22: the guards together has built such a camaraderie between the

1149
00:55:38,733 --> 00:55:41,013
Speaker 22: guars and has built the team up that they actually

1150
00:55:41,053 --> 00:55:44,133
Speaker 22: started to trust each other and talk between themselves. So

1151
00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:46,692
Speaker 22: I don't know where this Gar's coming from. I do

1152
00:55:46,813 --> 00:55:50,213
Speaker 22: believe that you do need decks that team together, and

1153
00:55:50,253 --> 00:55:52,373
Speaker 22: that that's saying that you said a team that that's

1154
00:55:52,693 --> 00:55:54,613
Speaker 22: what's going together stays together in it. But that that's

1155
00:55:54,653 --> 00:55:56,893
Speaker 22: a really good saying and I do believe in it.

1156
00:55:57,173 --> 00:56:00,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, in your situation, I'm assuming there's

1157
00:56:00,133 --> 00:56:02,692
Speaker 2: no pressure for people to drink alcohol if I don't

1158
00:56:02,693 --> 00:56:02,973
Speaker 2: want to.

1159
00:56:03,933 --> 00:56:06,093
Speaker 8: No, absolutely not, absolutely not no.

1160
00:56:06,893 --> 00:56:09,333
Speaker 22: As well as my team's quite cold. So I've got

1161
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:11,773
Speaker 22: a few guys from India, one or two guys from

1162
00:56:11,773 --> 00:56:15,293
Speaker 22: the Philippines, and their cultures also determine if they drink

1163
00:56:15,373 --> 00:56:18,013
Speaker 22: or not. And you can't pressurize our guys to do

1164
00:56:18,093 --> 00:56:21,373
Speaker 22: anything like that. And they are they're adults, man. They

1165
00:56:21,453 --> 00:56:23,653
Speaker 22: understand that if they drink and they get in trouble

1166
00:56:23,693 --> 00:56:25,733
Speaker 22: that they're there are consequences for what they do.

1167
00:56:26,253 --> 00:56:28,493
Speaker 2: And what kind of barbecue are you having, Gerard? Just

1168
00:56:28,613 --> 00:56:31,652
Speaker 2: judging by your accent, I'm imagining it might be a

1169
00:56:31,653 --> 00:56:34,653
Speaker 2: certain type of barbecue.

1170
00:56:34,813 --> 00:56:37,172
Speaker 22: Yes, we do, but we do have quite a few

1171
00:56:37,213 --> 00:56:40,493
Speaker 22: kims and I've got a few actual vegetarians, so we

1172
00:56:40,573 --> 00:56:43,253
Speaker 22: kind of have to get vegetarians barbecue as well as

1173
00:56:43,693 --> 00:56:46,613
Speaker 22: the old South African the bra.

1174
00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:51,172
Speaker 2: Brie b love it. It sounds like a good time.

1175
00:56:51,333 --> 00:56:55,333
Speaker 2: It's about br Ai. But you say, Brian, don't you Rye?

1176
00:56:55,413 --> 00:56:58,493
Speaker 2: That's great bright. Yeah, And just on another topic, thank

1177
00:56:58,493 --> 00:56:59,933
Speaker 2: you for you for your input on this. I think

1178
00:56:59,933 --> 00:57:03,613
Speaker 2: you've got it. Obviously a great boss, but and a

1179
00:57:03,653 --> 00:57:08,613
Speaker 2: great manager, but Yeah. My question for you is with

1180
00:57:08,733 --> 00:57:11,333
Speaker 2: your accent when you're overseas, do you ever get mistaken

1181
00:57:11,333 --> 00:57:14,013
Speaker 2: from Australia or in New Zealander like I'm sometimes mistaken

1182
00:57:14,013 --> 00:57:15,533
Speaker 2: for a South African overseas.

1183
00:57:16,253 --> 00:57:19,213
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, well I actually spent two years in America

1184
00:57:19,493 --> 00:57:26,173
Speaker 22: and they could not pinpoint my accent. It's Australian always first,

1185
00:57:26,893 --> 00:57:32,573
Speaker 22: then the UK and the New Zealand they point me

1186
00:57:32,693 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 22: for South Africa.

1187
00:57:33,453 --> 00:57:35,853
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Durra,

1188
00:57:36,093 --> 00:57:37,013
Speaker 2: thank you very much.

1189
00:57:37,253 --> 00:57:39,653
Speaker 3: A couple of texts and we've got the headlines coming up,

1190
00:57:39,653 --> 00:57:41,013
Speaker 3: but we're taking more of your calls on our eight

1191
00:57:41,093 --> 00:57:43,573
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty Friday work Drinks yay or nay?

1192
00:57:45,013 --> 00:57:45,693
Speaker 2: Hi guys.

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00:57:46,253 --> 00:57:49,133
Speaker 3: This speaks again to a media bias, which woke media

1194
00:57:49,213 --> 00:57:51,373
Speaker 3: organization is trying to make this a story from Kevin.

1195
00:57:51,573 --> 00:57:53,413
Speaker 3: You can find it, Kevin, just google Ross Bell and

1196
00:57:53,413 --> 00:57:53,853
Speaker 3: you'll see it.

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Speaker 2: This person says we had an all out brawl at

1198
00:57:57,893 --> 00:58:01,493
Speaker 2: our work due. Yeah. I mean that can happen as well, Dave, absolutely,

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00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:05,013
Speaker 2: and that comes down to how you manage the situation.

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00:58:05,733 --> 00:58:08,653
Speaker 2: There's no doubt that there have been work drinks situations

1201
00:58:08,693 --> 00:58:11,493
Speaker 2: that have gone wrong. Absolutely, you'd be crazy to pretend

1202
00:58:11,493 --> 00:58:13,933
Speaker 2: that that isn't the case. But I don't think that's

1203
00:58:13,973 --> 00:58:15,533
Speaker 2: what wash Bell was running. I don't think he was

1204
00:58:15,573 --> 00:58:17,253
Speaker 2: running a nice little work jonks at the end of

1205
00:58:17,293 --> 00:58:19,493
Speaker 2: the end of the working week and good on him. Yep, exactly.

1206
00:58:19,573 --> 00:58:24,133
Speaker 3: It is bang on hypas two US.

1207
00:58:24,093 --> 00:58:27,013
Speaker 13: Talk said the headlines it's blue bubble taxis it's no

1208
00:58:27,133 --> 00:58:30,773
Speaker 13: trouble with the blue bubble. The Reserve Banks met widespread

1209
00:58:30,773 --> 00:58:34,653
Speaker 13: expectations and kept the official cash rate unchanged today at

1210
00:58:34,733 --> 00:58:37,773
Speaker 13: three point two five percent, after a run of six

1211
00:58:37,853 --> 00:58:42,133
Speaker 13: consecutive cuts. Australia's Reserve Bank made the same move yesterday.

1212
00:58:42,813 --> 00:58:46,173
Speaker 13: The government activated a job Seeker task Force in Tasman

1213
00:58:46,213 --> 00:58:49,973
Speaker 13: and Marlborough to support cleanup from the recent flooding. Another

1214
00:58:50,093 --> 00:58:53,373
Speaker 13: heavy rain watch has been issued for Tasman District northwest

1215
00:58:53,373 --> 00:58:56,453
Speaker 13: of Mortueka from three pm. Falls are expected to be

1216
00:58:56,493 --> 00:59:00,373
Speaker 13: heaviest on the coast towards the north and west. Clean

1217
00:59:00,493 --> 00:59:03,013
Speaker 13: Up continues at a slap on State Highway seven on

1218
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:06,373
Speaker 13: the Lewess Pass near Reardon Creek Bridge. The section will

1219
00:59:06,373 --> 00:59:08,733
Speaker 13: close again at seven pm and should re open at

1220
00:59:08,773 --> 00:59:12,173
Speaker 13: eight o'clock tomorrow morning. Two Pack and saves in Auckland

1221
00:59:12,173 --> 00:59:15,933
Speaker 13: and Hamilton have pleaded guilty to unfair trading, with sentencing

1222
00:59:16,013 --> 00:59:19,493
Speaker 13: in September. Malin Thorpeer who has had a restless night

1223
00:59:19,573 --> 00:59:22,733
Speaker 13: with a swarm of earthquakes since yesterday morning. But Gens

1224
00:59:22,853 --> 00:59:26,773
Speaker 13: Science says it's not unusual and unlikely to herald an eruption.

1225
00:59:27,573 --> 00:59:30,893
Speaker 13: Plus the pressure can consume you. Billy practice all blacks

1226
00:59:30,893 --> 00:59:33,253
Speaker 13: balancing Act. See the full story. It ends at Harold

1227
00:59:33,293 --> 00:59:34,973
Speaker 13: Premium back to Matton Tyler.

1228
00:59:35,413 --> 00:59:38,013
Speaker 2: Okay, so I missed a trick here, so I was.

1229
00:59:38,253 --> 00:59:40,373
Speaker 2: So we got this text before Cure Team. I used

1230
00:59:40,413 --> 00:59:42,133
Speaker 2: to work for a company owned by one of the

1231
00:59:42,173 --> 00:59:45,253
Speaker 2: richest people in the UK. The CEO used to say

1232
00:59:45,293 --> 00:59:48,093
Speaker 2: the team that plays together stays together. So true, and

1233
00:59:48,133 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 2: I had many a good time at Friday after work

1234
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:53,613
Speaker 2: in London. John from Wellington, Now I read that as

1235
00:59:53,853 --> 00:59:57,413
Speaker 2: a spelling mistake to say, I thought he was writing

1236
00:59:57,613 --> 01:00:00,253
Speaker 2: the CEO. What he wrote was THEO and he's just

1237
01:00:00,293 --> 01:00:02,133
Speaker 2: texted me back. There's a clue to who it is

1238
01:00:02,173 --> 01:00:05,493
Speaker 2: in the text, so I'm assuming that it's THEO.

1239
01:00:06,893 --> 01:00:12,493
Speaker 3: Puppetus the dragons in Guy THEO per Fetus Fetus y

1240
01:00:12,973 --> 01:00:14,093
Speaker 3: Puppetus is not a name.

1241
01:00:14,373 --> 01:00:14,813
Speaker 4: What was it?

1242
01:00:15,333 --> 01:00:18,533
Speaker 2: Per fetus from the Dragons Fetus? Yeah, yeah, and owned

1243
01:00:18,733 --> 01:00:20,493
Speaker 2: Merwell Football Club are.

1244
01:00:20,413 --> 01:00:22,853
Speaker 3: Reportedly worth two hundred and ninety million pounds.

1245
01:00:23,133 --> 01:00:24,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is that text? John?

1246
01:00:25,093 --> 01:00:25,253
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1247
01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:27,413
Speaker 2: John? Just give us was it the fetus?

1248
01:00:27,413 --> 01:00:29,213
Speaker 3: Give us a thumbs up or thumbs down. We'll keep

1249
01:00:29,253 --> 01:00:30,173
Speaker 3: guessing it wasn't.

1250
01:00:30,253 --> 01:00:33,293
Speaker 2: Richard Brentson by by the sound of things, I.

1251
01:00:33,373 --> 01:00:35,253
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty z numbered.

1252
01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:39,413
Speaker 2: Call Simon your thoughts on the health benefits or nay

1253
01:00:39,533 --> 01:00:40,933
Speaker 2: of work drinks?

1254
01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:42,253
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1255
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:46,573
Speaker 23: My first question is has there been any negative stories

1256
01:00:46,693 --> 01:00:51,053
Speaker 23: come out of this from regarding drunken staff members? There

1257
01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:51,653
Speaker 23: anything like that?

1258
01:00:52,453 --> 01:00:58,493
Speaker 2: No, no stories that just complaints from former employees.

1259
01:00:59,573 --> 01:01:03,253
Speaker 23: So basically the persons in charge of the health department

1260
01:01:03,373 --> 01:01:07,733
Speaker 23: for reducing harm and alcohol so doing an example being

1261
01:01:07,773 --> 01:01:10,373
Speaker 23: able to go up with your staff team and everyone

1262
01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:14,053
Speaker 23: have a drink of their choice and socialize and talk

1263
01:01:14,093 --> 01:01:17,413
Speaker 23: about things that maybe aren't work related. Ah, it's good

1264
01:01:17,413 --> 01:01:20,053
Speaker 23: to get out there, isn't that part of possibly the

1265
01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:22,253
Speaker 23: remit I've shown a good example of you can have

1266
01:01:22,333 --> 01:01:24,493
Speaker 23: a drink and the drink not have you.

1267
01:01:25,053 --> 01:01:28,173
Speaker 2: This is such a good point, Simon. So this is

1268
01:01:28,213 --> 01:01:31,373
Speaker 2: actually evidence of exactly the opposite thing. The article is

1269
01:01:31,413 --> 01:01:33,893
Speaker 2: trying to claim. This is an example of how a

1270
01:01:33,933 --> 01:01:36,613
Speaker 2: person in that position has shown how it can be responsored.

1271
01:01:38,053 --> 01:01:39,213
Speaker 23: There's no evidence of.

1272
01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:43,933
Speaker 3: Well, I think we just lost you assignment.

1273
01:01:44,213 --> 01:01:50,493
Speaker 7: Yeah, the hypocrisy lies with staff members that are.

1274
01:01:51,013 --> 01:01:54,293
Speaker 23: Points in the finger once have actually less employment with

1275
01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,053
Speaker 23: that department.

1276
01:01:55,653 --> 01:01:59,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you go so. Deputy Director of General doctor

1277
01:01:59,373 --> 01:02:02,253
Speaker 2: Andrew Old. He's the head of the Public Health Agency.

1278
01:02:02,773 --> 01:02:05,253
Speaker 2: He said this as in many workplaces. Teams within the

1279
01:02:05,253 --> 01:02:07,533
Speaker 2: ministry hold social gatherings from time to time. They may

1280
01:02:07,573 --> 01:02:10,133
Speaker 2: include morning team, these lunches or gatherings outside of normal

1281
01:02:10,133 --> 01:02:16,653
Speaker 2: business hours blah blah blah, informal glamo ring here he goes, Damn,

1282
01:02:16,773 --> 01:02:18,533
Speaker 2: there's a bit here. He said that no one's complained.

1283
01:02:18,653 --> 01:02:20,533
Speaker 2: I might've got to find it here. I might have

1284
01:02:20,573 --> 01:02:22,373
Speaker 2: to keep reading. An opportunity for staff to get together

1285
01:02:22,373 --> 01:02:24,453
Speaker 2: regularly in the social setting if they wish. This is

1286
01:02:24,453 --> 01:02:27,333
Speaker 2: an informal gathering with no formal invitation, and the cost

1287
01:02:27,373 --> 01:02:30,173
Speaker 2: of any food or alcohol or non alcoholic drinks is

1288
01:02:30,173 --> 01:02:33,933
Speaker 2: covered by those attending. Asked whether he approved of the

1289
01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:35,893
Speaker 2: Friday Drinks, doctor Old said that the nature of the

1290
01:02:35,973 --> 01:02:38,693
Speaker 2: informal gatherings did not require approval as they adhere to

1291
01:02:38,733 --> 01:02:42,693
Speaker 2: the Ministry's guidelines. And he said, however, I there have

1292
01:02:42,893 --> 01:02:44,693
Speaker 2: been God, I'm still trying to get to it. This

1293
01:02:44,733 --> 01:02:47,573
Speaker 2: is terrible from me. The ministry guidelines also stay bah

1294
01:02:47,613 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 2: bah bah bah in a bit of a can you

1295
01:02:49,253 --> 01:02:50,573
Speaker 2: find a bit? Yeah.

1296
01:02:50,693 --> 01:02:52,413
Speaker 3: Then he goes on to say, oh, here it is.

1297
01:02:52,493 --> 01:02:55,573
Speaker 3: He said, there is no complaints that have been received.

1298
01:02:55,773 --> 01:02:58,933
Speaker 3: I quote here, however, I take any concerns seriously and

1299
01:02:58,973 --> 01:03:01,253
Speaker 3: invite staff to raise them with me directly or through

1300
01:03:01,333 --> 01:03:02,373
Speaker 3: other appropriate channels.

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01:03:02,413 --> 01:03:04,413
Speaker 2: So there you go. Further to Simon's point, it would

1302
01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:07,653
Speaker 2: suggest that the very person Ross Bow, senior manager at

1303
01:03:07,693 --> 01:03:11,093
Speaker 2: the Public Health Agency, is showing how you can run

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Speaker 2: responsible work drinks because there's been no complaints except for

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01:03:14,893 --> 01:03:16,293
Speaker 2: winging former staff members.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what the other question that wasn't

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01:03:18,453 --> 01:03:19,933
Speaker 3: asked in this article, Well, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Todd. I could have been reading for half an hour.

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01:03:21,413 --> 01:03:23,173
Speaker 2: I want to find that quote of looking for it is,

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01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:25,733
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pages and pages of pylon on this.

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Speaker 3: Poor Ross Bell, who was an absolutely upstanding New Zealander

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01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:30,973
Speaker 3: and he's done a lot for public health in this country.

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Speaker 3: But the question that wasn't asked in this article, why

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01:03:33,293 --> 01:03:35,173
Speaker 3: are they former staff members? I mean I suppose that

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01:03:35,213 --> 01:03:37,213
Speaker 3: sees everything that they no longer work there. They must

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01:03:37,213 --> 01:03:38,573
Speaker 3: have been such punishes.

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01:03:38,733 --> 01:03:40,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I said before, imagining those hobbits that were

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01:03:41,053 --> 01:03:45,213
Speaker 2: leaning over the gate making you know, judgmental eyes at

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01:03:45,213 --> 01:03:48,293
Speaker 2: Bilbo Baggins and fellowship of the rest. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:03:50,173 --> 01:03:52,413
Speaker 3: to call. Friday work drinks? Do you still have them

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01:03:52,453 --> 01:03:54,733
Speaker 3: at your workplace? How important aren't they? And if you

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01:03:54,773 --> 01:03:57,693
Speaker 3: don't have them, why what happened to cause you to

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01:03:57,693 --> 01:03:59,213
Speaker 3: stop the old Friday work drinks?

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01:03:59,253 --> 01:03:59,973
Speaker 2: And update?

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Speaker 8: It was?

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01:04:01,373 --> 01:04:04,853
Speaker 2: It was about it. It was the yeah, world done, John,

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01:04:04,933 --> 01:04:06,453
Speaker 2: there you go, you go, and he did went to

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01:04:06,493 --> 01:04:11,173
Speaker 2: it Millwell FC with one time twenty two solved twenty

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01:04:11,173 --> 01:04:13,613
Speaker 2: two to three. Those who drink together, stay together or something?

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01:04:13,693 --> 01:04:13,893
Speaker 20: Was it?

1332
01:04:13,933 --> 01:04:14,853
Speaker 3: Those who play together?

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01:04:15,333 --> 01:04:15,533
Speaker 24: Yeah?

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01:04:15,533 --> 01:04:17,253
Speaker 2: Stay together? Day together? Do you have a drink?

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Speaker 1: The new the big stories, the big issues, the big

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01:04:21,293 --> 01:04:24,853
Speaker 1: trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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01:04:24,893 --> 01:04:26,333
Speaker 1: afternoons used talks.

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01:04:26,333 --> 01:04:28,973
Speaker 2: They'd be you got one job, Tyler, and that's to

1339
01:04:29,133 --> 01:04:31,413
Speaker 2: reintroduce us not before the sting, after the sting.

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01:04:31,533 --> 01:04:34,533
Speaker 3: That is so embarrassing, so embarrassing. I'll just leave now,

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01:04:34,613 --> 01:04:36,973
Speaker 3: shall I? Good afternoon, Welcome back. And we aren't talking

1342
01:04:37,013 --> 01:04:40,293
Speaker 3: about Friday work drinks. Yeah, your name and your place

1343
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:41,933
Speaker 3: of work. It's on the back of an article, a

1344
01:04:41,973 --> 01:04:44,053
Speaker 3: bit of a pylon on a gentleman called ross Bow,

1345
01:04:44,093 --> 01:04:46,533
Speaker 3: well known health circles. He's getting a bit of stick

1346
01:04:46,533 --> 01:04:50,533
Speaker 3: from former staff members for his Rosses Friday drinks.

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01:04:50,573 --> 01:04:51,253
Speaker 2: But what do you say?

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01:04:51,253 --> 01:04:52,733
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:04:52,813 --> 01:04:57,373
Speaker 2: So hi, guys. Doctor Michael Moorsley once said no amount

1350
01:04:57,373 --> 01:05:00,413
Speaker 2: of alcohol is good for you there, and I mean

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01:05:00,573 --> 01:05:04,173
Speaker 2: rop doctor Michael Moorsley. Of course he died, didn't he

1352
01:05:04,613 --> 01:05:06,613
Speaker 2: a couple of twenty twenty four, didn't he? He just

1353
01:05:06,693 --> 01:05:08,973
Speaker 2: went missing in Greece. It was really true. I interviewed

1354
01:05:09,013 --> 01:05:12,333
Speaker 2: him once. He's the big, big fasting guy. Ye, a

1355
01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:14,653
Speaker 2: great guy, and there's no doubt. Look that you know.

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01:05:14,653 --> 01:05:17,733
Speaker 2: We're not saying that alcohol isn't without risk. Absolutely is

1357
01:05:17,933 --> 01:05:20,013
Speaker 2: without risk. We're just saying that this is a pylon

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01:05:20,213 --> 01:05:23,253
Speaker 2: that someone that works in health should not have drinks

1359
01:05:23,293 --> 01:05:26,453
Speaker 2: like there's not a spectrum of damage from from one

1360
01:05:26,533 --> 01:05:31,093
Speaker 2: or two drinks to a thousand and then getting into

1361
01:05:31,093 --> 01:05:33,413
Speaker 2: a fight on the street. But he also said didn't.

1362
01:05:33,413 --> 01:05:35,853
Speaker 2: He also said that he had seven standard drinks a week.

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01:05:36,533 --> 01:05:42,253
Speaker 3: So doctor Moseley revealed Mosley revealed how much he drinks

1364
01:05:42,293 --> 01:05:44,613
Speaker 3: each week. So he wrote before he saidly passed away

1365
01:05:44,613 --> 01:05:46,453
Speaker 3: on the Fast eight hundred website, I try to drink

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01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:49,693
Speaker 3: within the recommended guidelines of seven medium sized glasses of

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01:05:49,693 --> 01:05:50,573
Speaker 3: wine a week.

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Speaker 2: One thing is for sure, though, You know that alcohol

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01:05:54,293 --> 01:05:56,533
Speaker 2: does affect your sleep, Yes, So if you want to

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01:05:56,533 --> 01:05:58,413
Speaker 2: sleep really well, then you need to have it asleep

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01:05:58,453 --> 01:06:01,733
Speaker 2: and sleep is very, very very important for us. You don't,

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01:06:01,933 --> 01:06:03,893
Speaker 2: no matter how much alcohol you have of an evening,

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01:06:03,933 --> 01:06:06,453
Speaker 2: it's going to make you have worse sleep. Yeah, very true.

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01:06:06,493 --> 01:06:08,613
Speaker 2: So you know you need to go into that, you know,

1375
01:06:08,613 --> 01:06:11,213
Speaker 2: knowing that, yeah, absolutely, Even if you just have two

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01:06:11,253 --> 01:06:16,853
Speaker 2: wines then you're going to have a much less refreshing sleep.

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Speaker 2: Being welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Hey, cheers, guys, Hey Tyler mean thanks for calling. Oh no, cheers, cheers.

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01:06:25,253 --> 01:06:29,333
Speaker 7: Taking it What a cool topic. Did something of got

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01:06:29,453 --> 01:06:32,573
Speaker 7: very whole, very close to my heart. I worked in

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01:06:33,493 --> 01:06:39,973
Speaker 7: a few jownery shops at Jewannery factories and and yeah,

1382
01:06:39,973 --> 01:06:42,973
Speaker 7: there wasn't a thing. And you noticed the difference between

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01:06:44,133 --> 01:06:46,213
Speaker 7: the ones that do look after their starts as far

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01:06:46,293 --> 01:06:51,533
Speaker 7: as socializing and and I guess you're letting off a

1385
01:06:51,533 --> 01:06:54,533
Speaker 7: bit of steam or getting to talk to each other

1386
01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:58,853
Speaker 7: in a different light. It's really it's really important there.

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01:06:59,093 --> 01:07:02,693
Speaker 7: And when you're spending more time that we're well in

1388
01:07:02,693 --> 01:07:05,133
Speaker 7: our trade. We do spend more time with at work

1389
01:07:05,573 --> 01:07:08,293
Speaker 7: with the other colleagues then I do with my own family. Yeah,

1390
01:07:08,773 --> 01:07:11,853
Speaker 7: so it's important that you know, you get through that

1391
01:07:11,933 --> 01:07:14,773
Speaker 7: awkwardness that we vibe that goes on you know when

1392
01:07:14,813 --> 01:07:19,053
Speaker 7: you Yeah, I don't know what it is, but each day,

1393
01:07:19,893 --> 01:07:22,213
Speaker 7: my boss is that we're all work at the moment,

1394
01:07:22,613 --> 01:07:26,053
Speaker 7: my bosses there me. You know, we five o'clock, you'll

1395
01:07:26,253 --> 01:07:28,413
Speaker 7: bang bing a couple of bottles together. There's a bell

1396
01:07:29,893 --> 01:07:32,373
Speaker 7: that's a knockoff bell. We have two ers a day.

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01:07:32,653 --> 01:07:37,373
Speaker 7: Everybody has two viers a day. On the Friday. On

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01:07:37,413 --> 01:07:41,373
Speaker 7: the Friday, sorry month a month, we do the barbecue

1399
01:07:41,413 --> 01:07:44,253
Speaker 7: thing and get our partners involved, and kids come.

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Speaker 8: Along and.

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01:07:47,253 --> 01:07:50,293
Speaker 7: Every Christmas, yeah, Christmas, dudes are a bit more. They're

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01:07:50,653 --> 01:07:54,453
Speaker 7: yeah they're at the gate. But yeah, you know, we

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01:07:54,453 --> 01:07:56,573
Speaker 7: we and his his take on it was, you know,

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01:07:56,573 --> 01:07:57,973
Speaker 7: if we if we can't sit down and have the

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01:07:57,973 --> 01:07:59,093
Speaker 7: beer at the end of the day, and then what's

1406
01:07:59,093 --> 01:08:02,933
Speaker 7: the point and and and it works.

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01:08:03,013 --> 01:08:03,693
Speaker 8: It just works.

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01:08:03,733 --> 01:08:06,493
Speaker 7: Like you know, these guys as much as these guys

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01:08:06,493 --> 01:08:08,293
Speaker 7: are as much as there are a bunch of idiots,

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01:08:08,453 --> 01:08:10,493
Speaker 7: absolute bunch of idiots. But you know, I wouldn't have

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01:08:10,533 --> 01:08:11,893
Speaker 7: it any other way, you know, And we can talk

1412
01:08:11,933 --> 01:08:14,013
Speaker 7: to each other like that because because we do, we

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01:08:14,013 --> 01:08:15,173
Speaker 7: sit down and have a good old laugh.

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01:08:15,733 --> 01:08:18,612
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that that you have you know,

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01:08:18,653 --> 01:08:20,772
Speaker 2: you spend more time with these guys than your family.

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01:08:21,853 --> 01:08:24,133
Speaker 2: Just how does your what does your missus think about

1417
01:08:24,173 --> 01:08:26,093
Speaker 2: you sticking around after work for a couple of years

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01:08:26,133 --> 01:08:28,532
Speaker 2: and spending even more time with these guys as opposed

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01:08:28,572 --> 01:08:29,052
Speaker 2: to your family?

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Speaker 8: That's it?

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01:08:30,492 --> 01:08:34,253
Speaker 7: This is this is it? So she she doesn't get

1422
01:08:34,293 --> 01:08:36,053
Speaker 7: to see my pacelets to see how many hours that

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01:08:36,173 --> 01:08:38,093
Speaker 7: actually have with So I not got the five but

1424
01:08:38,133 --> 01:08:42,013
Speaker 7: I tell her I'm not got the five thirty man Where.

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01:08:43,492 --> 01:08:45,013
Speaker 2: Cats out of the bag now? Though? Ben? But I

1426
01:08:45,013 --> 01:08:47,892
Speaker 2: think there's as you say, Ben, it's great if you know,

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01:08:47,933 --> 01:08:51,012
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity to talk about your actual life. Outside

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01:08:51,013 --> 01:08:53,492
Speaker 2: of work, and then it makes work more enjoyable. You

1429
01:08:53,492 --> 01:08:56,253
Speaker 2: have the culture, you you you know, back these people

1430
01:08:56,333 --> 01:08:58,293
Speaker 2: that they mean more to you than just the person

1431
01:08:58,333 --> 01:09:00,852
Speaker 2: that you're working with. And it's great if you if

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01:09:00,893 --> 01:09:03,692
Speaker 2: your boss can you know, organize things where where everyone

1433
01:09:03,692 --> 01:09:05,532
Speaker 2: gets to meet each other's families as well. That that

1434
01:09:05,652 --> 01:09:08,333
Speaker 2: is fantastic because then then you know, you work colleagues

1435
01:09:08,492 --> 01:09:09,812
Speaker 2: in a way do become family.

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01:09:11,253 --> 01:09:12,973
Speaker 7: This is it once and once and months in.

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01:09:13,532 --> 01:09:16,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's big in the trades as well,

1438
01:09:16,093 --> 01:09:19,013
Speaker 3: hasn't it been, Like I know, you know, women get

1439
01:09:19,053 --> 01:09:21,173
Speaker 3: a lot out of it if they have a few

1440
01:09:21,213 --> 01:09:24,532
Speaker 3: wines with the girls as well, but primarily in the trades.

1441
01:09:24,532 --> 01:09:26,933
Speaker 3: For men, I think that's massive to be able to

1442
01:09:26,933 --> 01:09:29,412
Speaker 3: sit around having a beer and just shooting the breeze

1443
01:09:29,452 --> 01:09:32,012
Speaker 3: for your mental health overall and talk about what's going

1444
01:09:32,053 --> 01:09:33,812
Speaker 3: on in your life. That's a huge thing.

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01:09:34,812 --> 01:09:37,012
Speaker 7: It is, man, and it's been taken away because people

1446
01:09:37,133 --> 01:09:39,333
Speaker 7: have been abusing it and having more than two and

1447
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:41,852
Speaker 7: getting done for drink driving on the way home and well,

1448
01:09:42,053 --> 01:09:44,253
Speaker 7: you know, people just don't know how to act and whatnot,

1449
01:09:44,293 --> 01:09:48,092
Speaker 7: and so they've been cut from a lot of trades.

1450
01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:51,293
Speaker 7: But you can keep it under control, and we seem

1451
01:09:51,293 --> 01:09:55,972
Speaker 7: to do. We've been going now eight years. Yeah, and

1452
01:09:56,173 --> 01:09:59,093
Speaker 7: the thing hasn't changed. Like I said, we're all just

1453
01:09:59,133 --> 01:10:01,372
Speaker 7: one big hatty family giving each other a whole bunch

1454
01:10:01,412 --> 01:10:04,692
Speaker 7: of stick and it's just awesome. Yeah, it is, and

1455
01:10:04,732 --> 01:10:05,492
Speaker 7: it's so important.

1456
01:10:05,853 --> 01:10:07,612
Speaker 3: Ben, you're a good man. Thank you very much for

1457
01:10:07,692 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 3: giving us a bus.

1458
01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:09,812
Speaker 2: And it makes your point there. I mean, it's up

1459
01:10:09,812 --> 01:10:11,772
Speaker 2: to you as an individual to not ruin it for

1460
01:10:11,772 --> 01:10:14,132
Speaker 2: everyone by acting like a total dickhead at work, drinks

1461
01:10:14,492 --> 01:10:18,612
Speaker 2: or drink driving, or you know, making it an unhealthy thing,

1462
01:10:19,013 --> 01:10:22,133
Speaker 2: because that's how it gets taken away. That's why I

1463
01:10:22,133 --> 01:10:24,412
Speaker 2: don't disagree with this whole thing in this article talking

1464
01:10:24,492 --> 01:10:28,413
Speaker 2: about how I read it before. It can lower inhibitions,

1465
01:10:28,412 --> 01:10:31,812
Speaker 2: causing people to have inappropriate act and appropriately, which can

1466
01:10:31,933 --> 01:10:34,372
Speaker 2: lead to stress, anxiety, and even loss of employment. Despite

1467
01:10:34,652 --> 01:10:38,333
Speaker 2: these non harms, drink and it normalizes drinking and events.

1468
01:10:38,333 --> 01:10:42,772
Speaker 2: It's like people have to take charge of their own lives.

1469
01:10:43,133 --> 01:10:44,933
Speaker 2: And if you're acting like a total dickhead to the

1470
01:10:44,933 --> 01:10:47,293
Speaker 2: point you cause anxiety, then that's on you. Or if

1471
01:10:47,333 --> 01:10:49,612
Speaker 2: you're drink if you're drink driving, then you're committing a crime.

1472
01:10:49,853 --> 01:10:51,812
Speaker 2: That's not the fault of the people that are putting

1473
01:10:51,853 --> 01:10:53,452
Speaker 2: on the work drinks. Try and create a bit of

1474
01:10:53,492 --> 01:10:54,652
Speaker 2: community one hundred percent.

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01:10:54,893 --> 01:10:57,133
Speaker 3: It is thirteen to three. We're taking more of your

1476
01:10:57,133 --> 01:10:59,492
Speaker 3: cause very shortly. Oh eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

1477
01:10:59,732 --> 01:11:00,612
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you.

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01:11:01,893 --> 01:11:04,333
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1479
01:11:04,372 --> 01:11:10,013
Speaker 1: along the way, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:11,093
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, sire.

1481
01:11:11,133 --> 01:11:13,133
Speaker 3: It is ten to two three and we're talking about

1482
01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:16,093
Speaker 3: the Friday work drinks and article in one of the

1483
01:11:16,133 --> 01:11:19,132
Speaker 3: media organizations today bit of a pylon and a gentleman

1484
01:11:19,173 --> 01:11:22,253
Speaker 3: called Ross Bell. He's a senior manager at the Public

1485
01:11:22,253 --> 01:11:25,213
Speaker 3: Health Agency. But Ross Bell, he is well known in

1486
01:11:25,253 --> 01:11:28,333
Speaker 3: health circles and he has done an incredible amount of

1487
01:11:28,372 --> 01:11:33,532
Speaker 3: work around drug foundation and alcohol harm reduction. But can

1488
01:11:33,572 --> 01:11:35,333
Speaker 3: you get your thoughts is this a pilon and do

1489
01:11:35,372 --> 01:11:37,572
Speaker 3: you still have Friday work drinks where you are eight

1490
01:11:37,692 --> 01:11:38,612
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1491
01:11:38,652 --> 01:11:41,093
Speaker 2: We've got an off air caller who has said that

1492
01:11:41,532 --> 01:11:44,293
Speaker 2: check out the health and Safety employee legislation regards the

1493
01:11:44,293 --> 01:11:47,092
Speaker 2: responsibility to make sure staff get home safely and understand

1494
01:11:47,133 --> 01:11:49,253
Speaker 2: that there's those kind of regulations, but I think they're rubbish.

1495
01:11:49,572 --> 01:11:53,813
Speaker 2: I think that your workplace doesn't owe shouldn't have to

1496
01:11:56,772 --> 01:11:58,852
Speaker 2: treat you like a child to the point where you

1497
01:11:59,173 --> 01:12:01,093
Speaker 2: we're there in charge of how you get home from

1498
01:12:01,093 --> 01:12:04,253
Speaker 2: work drinks. But that legislation is terrible legislation, and it

1499
01:12:04,372 --> 01:12:09,492
Speaker 2: just leads to cultures being destroyed because workplaces rightly don't

1500
01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:11,572
Speaker 2: want to take on the responsibility, so they shut down

1501
01:12:11,612 --> 01:12:15,053
Speaker 2: the socializing. So I think that that that health and

1502
01:12:15,093 --> 01:12:18,612
Speaker 2: safety at those regulations, that legislation is terrible and has

1503
01:12:18,652 --> 01:12:24,133
Speaker 2: the unforeseen circumstances of ruining, ruining socialization and community and workplaces.

1504
01:12:25,372 --> 01:12:28,692
Speaker 2: Work drinks got out of hand for my companies started

1505
01:12:28,732 --> 01:12:31,772
Speaker 2: starting at eleven am Friday, then eleven am every day.

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01:12:31,973 --> 01:12:34,812
Speaker 2: Pretty bad. I'm self employed and work alone, so the

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01:12:34,812 --> 01:12:40,572
Speaker 2: company's crap. Yeah, very good, Mark, how are you hey?

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01:12:40,572 --> 01:12:41,453
Speaker 24: You going guys?

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01:12:41,572 --> 01:12:43,812
Speaker 2: Very good, very good.

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01:12:44,173 --> 01:12:46,412
Speaker 24: I was introduced through Friday drinks when I was doing

1511
01:12:46,412 --> 01:12:51,213
Speaker 24: my trade as a butcher and Toneden and yeah, it

1512
01:12:51,253 --> 01:12:53,692
Speaker 24: was was sort of open my eyes because the old

1513
01:12:53,692 --> 01:12:56,772
Speaker 24: guy they used to make the saves and sausages and

1514
01:12:56,812 --> 01:12:59,972
Speaker 24: all that, he would start pretty early and but time

1515
01:13:00,053 --> 01:13:01,772
Speaker 24: he finished the end of the day was pretty legal

1516
01:13:01,812 --> 01:13:03,972
Speaker 24: less and let's just say a lot of the linking

1517
01:13:04,093 --> 01:13:07,492
Speaker 24: sausages went all the same size. Was very ird looking

1518
01:13:07,492 --> 01:13:11,972
Speaker 24: sausages and black pullings at the eame of it. But look,

1519
01:13:12,532 --> 01:13:16,173
Speaker 24: Friday drinks. I sort of moved down to the I

1520
01:13:16,253 --> 01:13:17,732
Speaker 24: went down on my trade for a week bit and

1521
01:13:17,772 --> 01:13:21,412
Speaker 24: I worked for a large meat company as a foreman

1522
01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:25,692
Speaker 24: and for quite a while. I'm back in my trade now,

1523
01:13:25,732 --> 01:13:31,093
Speaker 24: but we had Friday drinks and.

1524
01:13:29,572 --> 01:13:30,133
Speaker 4: It was good.

1525
01:13:30,253 --> 01:13:33,132
Speaker 24: Like we'd have Friday drinks after we'd finish shift because

1526
01:13:33,412 --> 01:13:36,253
Speaker 24: you know, running process screens, we'll work some long hours.

1527
01:13:36,253 --> 01:13:38,253
Speaker 24: We've been working bloody big hours. You know, you'd start

1528
01:13:38,293 --> 01:13:40,173
Speaker 24: at five in the morning and you might not be

1529
01:13:40,213 --> 01:13:42,772
Speaker 24: getting away till you know, half four or after well

1530
01:13:42,812 --> 01:13:45,372
Speaker 24: after five. We told me down everything. So we'd go

1531
01:13:45,452 --> 01:13:47,372
Speaker 24: to the main office and there was always drinks here,

1532
01:13:47,412 --> 01:13:49,732
Speaker 24: but we'd never get accessive. We'll be silly about it.

1533
01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:52,492
Speaker 24: And even the people that drunk but didn't want to

1534
01:13:52,572 --> 01:13:54,732
Speaker 24: drink because you did drive, that'd come over and there'd

1535
01:13:54,732 --> 01:13:57,572
Speaker 24: always be sort of other refreshmency put them on alcoholic.

1536
01:13:58,053 --> 01:14:03,093
Speaker 24: But then we had a new CEO coming and just

1537
01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:07,293
Speaker 24: stopped it everything. And because he put it down to

1538
01:14:07,333 --> 01:14:08,132
Speaker 24: health and safety.

1539
01:14:08,492 --> 01:14:09,532
Speaker 23: But what was an eye.

1540
01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:11,612
Speaker 24: Opener was one was one day I had to go

1541
01:14:11,692 --> 01:14:13,973
Speaker 24: to corporate in town to pick a car up to

1542
01:14:14,013 --> 01:14:20,492
Speaker 24: travel to another plant up South Island. And this was

1543
01:14:20,532 --> 01:14:22,333
Speaker 24: a Friday to go and pick the country car up.

1544
01:14:22,933 --> 01:14:26,173
Speaker 24: And here's the people of corporate sitting down at their

1545
01:14:26,213 --> 01:14:31,652
Speaker 24: computers with spaces and wine and wine glasses. So there

1546
01:14:31,732 --> 01:14:33,612
Speaker 24: were there were the double standards were there.

1547
01:14:34,213 --> 01:14:36,612
Speaker 3: That that is upsetting on both of those counts. Mark,

1548
01:14:36,652 --> 01:14:39,692
Speaker 3: but on the health and safety element, as you know

1549
01:14:39,812 --> 01:14:42,173
Speaker 3: Matt just read out. I mean that is I can

1550
01:14:42,253 --> 01:14:44,812
Speaker 3: understand a lot of employees workplaces would look at that

1551
01:14:44,893 --> 01:14:47,372
Speaker 3: legislation say it's too hard, there's too much risk, we

1552
01:14:47,372 --> 01:14:50,092
Speaker 3: don't need the liability. It sucks because it's good for culture,

1553
01:14:50,372 --> 01:14:52,692
Speaker 3: but we just can't do it anymore because we can't

1554
01:14:52,692 --> 01:14:55,372
Speaker 3: be liable for that. And that's a sad state of affairs.

1555
01:14:56,372 --> 01:14:57,053
Speaker 15: Yeah it is.

1556
01:14:57,173 --> 01:14:59,732
Speaker 24: And in the end they just cut everything they like,

1557
01:14:59,812 --> 01:15:02,492
Speaker 24: you know, salary staff would have a big go at

1558
01:15:02,492 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 24: the end of the season and it was just a

1559
01:15:04,372 --> 01:15:08,892
Speaker 24: way for all the departments to get together and yeah,

1560
01:15:08,933 --> 01:15:10,532
Speaker 24: I got pretty mess. And then you could tell who

1561
01:15:11,253 --> 01:15:13,612
Speaker 24: were the piss heads and who were the you know,

1562
01:15:14,532 --> 01:15:16,852
Speaker 24: different people come out of their shelves at work those

1563
01:15:18,173 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 24: So in the end we actually ended up forming our

1564
01:15:20,372 --> 01:15:24,812
Speaker 24: own own work, do our own work social club. And

1565
01:15:24,933 --> 01:15:28,732
Speaker 24: we've just put away money every every every fortnight out

1566
01:15:28,732 --> 01:15:32,452
Speaker 24: of our wages. And after six months with thirty anymore

1567
01:15:32,692 --> 01:15:35,052
Speaker 24: or fore ones and we had quite.

1568
01:15:34,812 --> 01:15:35,652
Speaker 15: A considerable amount.

1569
01:15:35,772 --> 01:15:37,372
Speaker 25: So different.

1570
01:15:38,652 --> 01:15:40,532
Speaker 24: Three people sort of just pick where you want to go.

1571
01:15:40,612 --> 01:15:42,732
Speaker 24: So we don't call things like gone to Queenstown for

1572
01:15:42,732 --> 01:15:46,732
Speaker 24: a couple of nights done, all things gone away to

1573
01:15:47,532 --> 01:15:52,492
Speaker 24: Mavora done, fishing trips, yeah, and you know done all

1574
01:15:52,532 --> 01:15:55,293
Speaker 24: the things gone to you know, bowling, temp and bowling

1575
01:15:55,333 --> 01:15:57,612
Speaker 24: and golf. So in the end, if you if I

1576
01:15:57,732 --> 01:16:00,772
Speaker 24: take away your fun, we yeah, we got a bit

1577
01:16:01,293 --> 01:16:03,732
Speaker 24: annoyed about it, especially when corporate was still doing what

1578
01:16:03,772 --> 01:16:06,133
Speaker 24: they were doing. So we just created our own fun.

1579
01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:09,053
Speaker 2: Good on your Mac. Yeah, that's all right. They you know,

1580
01:16:09,093 --> 01:16:11,293
Speaker 2: they can take it away for you, but they kind

1581
01:16:11,293 --> 01:16:13,812
Speaker 2: of go back to you. Says it's like nowadays this

1582
01:16:13,973 --> 01:16:18,013
Speaker 2: Texas says nowadays, if you have work drinks provided, then

1583
01:16:18,053 --> 01:16:20,133
Speaker 2: you drive and get DUI, the company can get a

1584
01:16:20,133 --> 01:16:20,692
Speaker 2: massive fine.

1585
01:16:20,893 --> 01:16:21,093
Speaker 6: See.

1586
01:16:21,173 --> 01:16:23,572
Speaker 2: I think that is ridiculous and I think that has

1587
01:16:23,612 --> 01:16:26,812
Speaker 2: the unforeseen circumstances. I kept saying of these things just

1588
01:16:26,853 --> 01:16:30,852
Speaker 2: being shut down, and then then workplaces become less of

1589
01:16:30,893 --> 01:16:35,532
Speaker 2: a community. And in these times of isolation, ironically caused

1590
01:16:35,572 --> 01:16:40,052
Speaker 2: by social media, then we just have soulless workplaces where

1591
01:16:40,093 --> 01:16:42,732
Speaker 2: just people come in like drones, work and go home,

1592
01:16:42,772 --> 01:16:45,293
Speaker 2: and they never really know each other any better then

1593
01:16:45,893 --> 01:16:48,972
Speaker 2: just what you know in terms of how they work

1594
01:16:48,973 --> 01:16:50,812
Speaker 2: as workmates. You know, they never know them as people.

1595
01:16:51,452 --> 01:16:55,973
Speaker 2: And so so many rules around alcohol have unforeseen circumstances

1596
01:16:55,973 --> 01:16:57,812
Speaker 2: that actually make the world a worse place when they're

1597
01:16:57,812 --> 01:16:58,692
Speaker 2: trying to make it a better place.

1598
01:16:58,772 --> 01:17:01,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, texts to you guys. I used to love Friday drinks.

1599
01:17:01,333 --> 01:17:03,093
Speaker 3: Have always worked in sales and there'd be a big

1600
01:17:03,093 --> 01:17:05,772
Speaker 3: group of us head into town. It was always the

1601
01:17:05,812 --> 01:17:09,253
Speaker 3: big unknown, that was the exciting part. Great times. Indeed,

1602
01:17:09,333 --> 01:17:13,612
Speaker 3: sad they're gone now from grants. And this one here,

1603
01:17:13,732 --> 01:17:15,732
Speaker 3: I worked in a school that had Friday drinks. The

1604
01:17:15,772 --> 01:17:19,452
Speaker 3: deputy principle was an alcoholic and embarrassed herself every Friday

1605
01:17:19,732 --> 01:17:22,412
Speaker 3: got the boot after being breathalyzed at ten am.

1606
01:17:22,572 --> 01:17:25,452
Speaker 2: So not always a good thing, no, absolutely, but you know,

1607
01:17:25,692 --> 01:17:30,012
Speaker 2: individual responsibility and so I say ross Bell, senior manager

1608
01:17:30,013 --> 01:17:32,612
Speaker 2: at the Public Health Agency. This is a pylon. Yeah,

1609
01:17:32,612 --> 01:17:33,213
Speaker 2: you're a good man.

1610
01:17:33,293 --> 01:17:36,053
Speaker 3: You are an absolute great New Zealander. Right coming up

1611
01:17:36,333 --> 01:17:40,372
Speaker 3: after three o'clock. An interesting situation that Matt he found

1612
01:17:40,412 --> 01:17:42,492
Speaker 3: himself in. We'll explain more.

1613
01:17:42,732 --> 01:17:45,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, you set me up. I'll re explain it.

1614
01:17:45,812 --> 01:17:47,692
Speaker 2: Ne Exeica tanking me up for a four with that.

1615
01:17:48,572 --> 01:17:50,652
Speaker 2: It is three to three News next.

1616
01:17:54,013 --> 01:17:58,173
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Matt

1617
01:17:58,213 --> 01:18:02,132
Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevy.

1618
01:18:03,612 --> 01:18:06,052
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program,

1619
01:18:06,173 --> 01:18:09,972
Speaker 3: seven past three. Very very good to have your company.

1620
01:18:10,053 --> 01:18:13,532
Speaker 3: As always, this is going to be a very interesting

1621
01:18:13,612 --> 01:18:14,053
Speaker 3: chat man.

1622
01:18:14,133 --> 01:18:16,372
Speaker 2: Can I just hold you up there for a second? Title?

1623
01:18:16,452 --> 01:18:19,612
Speaker 2: Please do? Yeah, and look, you'll have to help me

1624
01:18:19,652 --> 01:18:21,052
Speaker 2: out here with what I want to say here because

1625
01:18:21,053 --> 01:18:23,572
Speaker 2: I've forgotten the guy's name in title. But we did

1626
01:18:23,612 --> 01:18:27,333
Speaker 2: a fantastic interview earlier today YEP in the one o'clock

1627
01:18:27,372 --> 01:18:31,892
Speaker 2: hour with Andrew Pask He's a professor and he is

1628
01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:36,772
Speaker 2: the Thila Scene Integrated Genomic Restoration research head at the

1629
01:18:36,853 --> 01:18:39,812
Speaker 2: Lab in Australia and part of the Colossus group on

1630
01:18:39,893 --> 01:18:43,213
Speaker 2: the plan to bring back the Giant and South Island Moer.

1631
01:18:43,372 --> 01:18:46,133
Speaker 2: That's right, he's the man trying to bring back the more. Yeah,

1632
01:18:46,173 --> 01:18:49,333
Speaker 2: and that has been put up as a podcast, that interview,

1633
01:18:49,333 --> 01:18:51,212
Speaker 2: and he was a great man. He was very excited

1634
01:18:51,492 --> 01:18:55,053
Speaker 2: about that. He was inspirational chat on that talks about

1635
01:18:55,133 --> 01:18:57,333
Speaker 2: Sir Peter Jackson's involvement as well. So if you want

1636
01:18:57,333 --> 01:18:59,053
Speaker 2: to listen to that whole interview, it's up wherever you

1637
01:18:59,053 --> 01:19:03,013
Speaker 2: find your podcast Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons on

1638
01:19:03,173 --> 01:19:05,173
Speaker 2: z B on iHeartRadio, where you get your pods. It's

1639
01:19:05,173 --> 01:19:05,652
Speaker 2: a great listen.

1640
01:19:05,732 --> 01:19:05,932
Speaker 8: Yep.

1641
01:19:05,973 --> 01:19:07,612
Speaker 2: How good was he? I've just put the link up

1642
01:19:07,652 --> 01:19:11,372
Speaker 2: at heath in zied On in my story on my

1643
01:19:11,572 --> 01:19:13,372
Speaker 2: met Heath and zed at Instagram as well if you

1644
01:19:13,372 --> 01:19:15,093
Speaker 2: want to find it quickly. Yep. But yeah, it was

1645
01:19:15,093 --> 01:19:16,852
Speaker 2: such a great chat, so I just thought i'd.

1646
01:19:16,652 --> 01:19:19,692
Speaker 3: Plug it r Yep. He was probably Andrew Andrew Pask.

1647
01:19:19,853 --> 01:19:21,692
Speaker 2: Thanks for allowing me that time to plug that.

1648
01:19:21,853 --> 01:19:24,452
Speaker 3: Thank you, Matt Heath. So let's get into this. So

1649
01:19:24,612 --> 01:19:26,053
Speaker 3: set it up because I don't want to throw you

1650
01:19:26,093 --> 01:19:27,692
Speaker 3: under the bus, and I'm not going to I do that.

1651
01:19:27,812 --> 01:19:30,572
Speaker 3: I do that too often sometimes, So tell us, tell

1652
01:19:30,692 --> 01:19:33,892
Speaker 3: us as much as you can about how this converse.

1653
01:19:34,133 --> 01:19:36,532
Speaker 2: But even what you're saying is throwing me under the bus.

1654
01:19:36,933 --> 01:19:41,492
Speaker 2: Even what you're saying, so I'm this isn't this isn't

1655
01:19:41,812 --> 01:19:44,293
Speaker 2: based on anything. There's no reason why this jumped into

1656
01:19:44,372 --> 01:19:44,652
Speaker 2: my head.

1657
01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:46,333
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, Okay.

1658
01:19:46,013 --> 01:19:48,652
Speaker 2: No reason at all. It's not based on anything, all right.

1659
01:19:49,253 --> 01:19:53,333
Speaker 2: So you know we all like to tell stories. Yeah,

1660
01:19:53,492 --> 01:19:56,612
Speaker 2: but sometimes we repeat the stories, and there's people that

1661
01:19:56,652 --> 01:19:58,652
Speaker 2: we know in our lives that will repeat the same

1662
01:19:58,692 --> 01:20:01,972
Speaker 2: stories over and over again. There are trigger points, they'll say,

1663
01:20:02,652 --> 01:20:04,532
Speaker 2: there's something that comes up and they'll start repeating the

1664
01:20:04,572 --> 01:20:08,692
Speaker 2: same story and that. So what do you do under

1665
01:20:08,692 --> 01:20:11,053
Speaker 2: those circumstances? Do you know someone i Waite hundred and

1666
01:20:11,053 --> 01:20:13,253
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Do you know someone that's telling the

1667
01:20:13,253 --> 01:20:15,013
Speaker 2: same stories over and over again and it's boring the

1668
01:20:15,013 --> 01:20:16,532
Speaker 2: living crap out of you because you have your listen

1669
01:20:16,572 --> 01:20:21,572
Speaker 2: to them. Should you tell those people to that you've

1670
01:20:21,572 --> 01:20:24,052
Speaker 2: heard the story? So if someone starts telling a story

1671
01:20:24,053 --> 01:20:27,572
Speaker 2: that you've heard before, should you go, hey, I've heard

1672
01:20:27,612 --> 01:20:30,812
Speaker 2: that story before. You've already told me this. And if

1673
01:20:30,853 --> 01:20:33,372
Speaker 2: you're a person that's fears that you tell stories because

1674
01:20:33,372 --> 01:20:34,892
Speaker 2: I feel like I might tell the same stories over

1675
01:20:34,893 --> 01:20:36,892
Speaker 2: and every again. And I've told my kids, I've said,

1676
01:20:37,133 --> 01:20:38,932
Speaker 2: if I start telling a story, can you tell me

1677
01:20:39,093 --> 01:20:42,133
Speaker 2: that you've heard it before? My son, my fifteen year

1678
01:20:42,173 --> 01:20:44,093
Speaker 2: old son, said to me, yeah, but me and your brother,

1679
01:20:44,133 --> 01:20:46,133
Speaker 2: we like listen to them and seeing how they change.

1680
01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:48,892
Speaker 2: That's a great So I guess my question is how

1681
01:20:48,893 --> 01:20:51,333
Speaker 2: do you deal with someone that tells stories, the same

1682
01:20:51,372 --> 01:20:54,092
Speaker 2: stories over and over again? And if you are someone

1683
01:20:54,093 --> 01:20:56,812
Speaker 2: that does, would you prefer to be told that people

1684
01:20:56,812 --> 01:20:59,053
Speaker 2: have heard that story before? Would you get angry? Or

1685
01:20:59,093 --> 01:21:01,013
Speaker 2: would you prefer to tell the story knowing that you're

1686
01:21:01,053 --> 01:21:02,333
Speaker 2: boring the living crap out of people?

1687
01:21:02,372 --> 01:21:04,732
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number of

1688
01:21:04,812 --> 01:21:07,652
Speaker 3: cool I would take the opposite side of the spectrum to.

1689
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:08,412
Speaker 2: That, Matty.

1690
01:21:09,412 --> 01:21:11,412
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to name names here, no names,

1691
01:21:11,452 --> 01:21:16,412
Speaker 3: no pecdril, but a gentleman who I became pretty close with.

1692
01:21:16,532 --> 01:21:19,133
Speaker 3: He was a great storyteller, but he often told the

1693
01:21:19,173 --> 01:21:22,412
Speaker 3: same story multiple multiple multiple times, and he would say

1694
01:21:22,452 --> 01:21:24,372
Speaker 3: before he started the story, he said, now stop me

1695
01:21:24,412 --> 01:21:27,133
Speaker 3: if you've heard the story before, And I never did

1696
01:21:27,293 --> 01:21:31,732
Speaker 3: because he was so animated. So excited so that we

1697
01:21:31,772 --> 01:21:34,732
Speaker 3: sparkle in his eye as he was regaling the story

1698
01:21:35,053 --> 01:21:36,732
Speaker 3: that he thought was for the first time, that I

1699
01:21:36,772 --> 01:21:38,732
Speaker 3: just couldn't do it to him. I couldn't stop him

1700
01:21:38,772 --> 01:21:40,892
Speaker 3: in his tracks, even though that I'd heard it fifty times.

1701
01:21:40,893 --> 01:21:42,652
Speaker 3: So I just sat through and let him tell his story.

1702
01:21:43,372 --> 01:21:46,852
Speaker 2: But wouldn't he be humiliated when he eventually finds out

1703
01:21:46,853 --> 01:21:48,253
Speaker 2: that he's told you the story twice?

1704
01:21:49,572 --> 01:21:50,452
Speaker 26: Yeah, and I.

1705
01:21:50,412 --> 01:21:55,372
Speaker 2: Understand that there are people with you know, mental what

1706
01:21:55,412 --> 01:22:00,173
Speaker 2: would you say this, dementia and situations like that where

1707
01:22:00,213 --> 01:22:01,772
Speaker 2: you have to take into it to account that that

1708
01:22:01,893 --> 01:22:04,333
Speaker 2: maybe people's memories aren't aren't what they used to be.

1709
01:22:04,572 --> 01:22:07,893
Speaker 2: So absolutely take that into account. But even under those circumstances,

1710
01:22:08,412 --> 01:22:11,532
Speaker 2: you know, yes, look, I don't know.

1711
01:22:11,652 --> 01:22:14,452
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good point actually, because there were times

1712
01:22:14,452 --> 01:22:16,772
Speaker 3: with this individual and hopefully I'm not getting too close

1713
01:22:16,812 --> 01:22:19,213
Speaker 3: to identifying this person, but there was another person in

1714
01:22:19,253 --> 01:22:24,012
Speaker 3: the mix and they would come along and say, oh, mate,

1715
01:22:24,053 --> 01:22:26,532
Speaker 3: you've told this story fifty times before. Tyler doesn't need

1716
01:22:26,572 --> 01:22:28,973
Speaker 3: to hear this, And then at that point it was

1717
01:22:29,093 --> 01:22:34,133
Speaker 3: rather embarrassing for me to say, actually, old mate, this

1718
01:22:34,173 --> 01:22:37,012
Speaker 3: other person's right, I have heard this story before. Yeah,

1719
01:22:37,053 --> 01:22:38,652
Speaker 3: but it didn't matter to him. He just kept telling

1720
01:22:38,692 --> 01:22:39,092
Speaker 3: his stories.

1721
01:22:39,133 --> 01:22:42,492
Speaker 2: He loved it. Yeah, storyteller raconteur. Yeah, he just had

1722
01:22:42,492 --> 01:22:44,213
Speaker 2: the same gig over and over. I just live in

1723
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:46,253
Speaker 2: fear that I've become one of those people that just

1724
01:22:46,412 --> 01:22:48,652
Speaker 2: keeps repeating the same five stories over and again and

1725
01:22:48,732 --> 01:22:50,772
Speaker 2: borrowing the crap out of people. John has a good point.

1726
01:22:50,893 --> 01:22:52,372
Speaker 2: If it's your kids, make them suffer.

1727
01:22:54,973 --> 01:22:56,732
Speaker 3: Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1728
01:22:56,853 --> 01:22:57,452
Speaker 3: number to call.

1729
01:22:57,732 --> 01:23:00,492
Speaker 2: My wife says the damn same damn story all the time,

1730
01:23:00,532 --> 01:23:02,612
Speaker 2: and it's so frustrating, but I don't want to say

1731
01:23:02,612 --> 01:23:04,852
Speaker 2: anything because I want to sleep with her still.

1732
01:23:04,933 --> 01:23:08,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see there is that as well, is the

1733
01:23:08,612 --> 01:23:11,492
Speaker 3: text number. But do you stop someone who is telling

1734
01:23:11,532 --> 01:23:13,253
Speaker 3: the same story over and over and over again?

1735
01:23:13,492 --> 01:23:15,813
Speaker 2: And also what's happening At three thirty.

1736
01:23:15,732 --> 01:23:18,532
Speaker 3: Three point thirty we have Gareth abdenorh on the show

1737
01:23:18,612 --> 01:23:22,293
Speaker 3: Back with Us. He's an expert in employment relations. So

1738
01:23:22,333 --> 01:23:23,772
Speaker 3: you've got a problem at work, he's the man to

1739
01:23:23,853 --> 01:23:25,772
Speaker 3: chat to. And if you're the boss and you've got

1740
01:23:25,812 --> 01:23:28,892
Speaker 3: a problem with your workers, maybe Friday drinks have gone astray.

1741
01:23:29,133 --> 01:23:30,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, so ring up and tell us your stories.

1742
01:23:30,973 --> 01:23:34,093
Speaker 3: Yep, it is twelve past three, even if we've heard

1743
01:23:34,093 --> 01:23:37,973
Speaker 3: them before. Very good afternoon to you. It is a

1744
01:23:38,053 --> 01:23:42,612
Speaker 3: quarter past three. Should you stop someone when they're telling

1745
01:23:42,612 --> 01:23:44,772
Speaker 3: a story if you've heard the story before, stop them

1746
01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:47,213
Speaker 3: in their tracks, or just let them tell the story

1747
01:23:47,253 --> 01:23:48,972
Speaker 3: again if it's making them happy. Oh eight one hundred

1748
01:23:48,973 --> 01:23:49,612
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

1749
01:23:50,293 --> 01:23:51,812
Speaker 2: I worked for a company of years ago and a

1750
01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:54,372
Speaker 2: worker took the day off for his grandmother's funeral. The

1751
01:23:54,452 --> 01:23:57,213
Speaker 2: operations manager came out and said to us that this

1752
01:23:57,253 --> 01:24:00,932
Speaker 2: guy's grandmother has had four funerals over the last twelve months. Well,

1753
01:24:00,933 --> 01:24:04,733
Speaker 2: that's what that's slightly different. That's not getting your stories straight. Yeah,

1754
01:24:04,853 --> 01:24:08,492
Speaker 2: you know. That's that's when you're telling white lies. You

1755
01:24:08,492 --> 01:24:10,972
Speaker 2: get caught out. Harold, welcome to the show.

1756
01:24:11,893 --> 01:24:12,652
Speaker 8: Hey, how're going?

1757
01:24:13,532 --> 01:24:13,772
Speaker 2: God?

1758
01:24:14,893 --> 01:24:19,013
Speaker 8: Yeah, so yeah, that's an interesting one. So I have

1759
01:24:19,732 --> 01:24:22,932
Speaker 8: I have this work mate, you know, or a colleague.

1760
01:24:23,612 --> 01:24:28,012
Speaker 8: The stories get told. It's it gets told at least

1761
01:24:28,173 --> 01:24:30,293
Speaker 8: three or five times a week. Now, is that? What

1762
01:24:30,333 --> 01:24:32,372
Speaker 8: do you say to that, is that you stop someone

1763
01:24:32,452 --> 01:24:33,372
Speaker 8: from telling the story?

1764
01:24:33,492 --> 01:24:36,333
Speaker 2: Or three to five times a week you're hearing the story.

1765
01:24:36,333 --> 01:24:38,452
Speaker 2: And so how many days a week, how many days

1766
01:24:38,452 --> 01:24:40,732
Speaker 2: you can week you're working, that's every work day, isn't it?

1767
01:24:40,772 --> 01:24:41,333
Speaker 2: Pretty much?

1768
01:24:41,532 --> 01:24:44,053
Speaker 8: Well pretty much? So it's going on, you know, and

1769
01:24:44,053 --> 01:24:45,452
Speaker 8: and what you say to that do you do you?

1770
01:24:45,853 --> 01:24:48,892
Speaker 8: Do you stop them? Or do you say something? Or

1771
01:24:48,933 --> 01:24:52,092
Speaker 8: do you listen? And I've got it on on like memory,

1772
01:24:52,093 --> 01:24:55,173
Speaker 8: I can record it and replay it.

1773
01:24:55,253 --> 01:24:56,612
Speaker 2: Is it a good story?

1774
01:24:57,933 --> 01:25:00,732
Speaker 8: There's plenty, it's not just one, and so it's kind

1775
01:25:00,732 --> 01:25:02,532
Speaker 8: of like it's like an audiobook that's just you know,

1776
01:25:02,532 --> 01:25:03,052
Speaker 8: on repeat.

1777
01:25:03,492 --> 01:25:06,053
Speaker 2: Does it change? Does it change? Because my kids tell

1778
01:25:06,133 --> 01:25:08,293
Speaker 2: me that my that they like me repeating stories because

1779
01:25:08,492 --> 01:25:12,053
Speaker 2: they get better and better they each time I unconsciously

1780
01:25:12,093 --> 01:25:13,012
Speaker 2: embellished the story.

1781
01:25:15,372 --> 01:25:16,973
Speaker 8: Well I wish there would be so you know, you

1782
01:25:16,973 --> 01:25:18,572
Speaker 8: could have a little bit of a different ending like

1783
01:25:18,692 --> 01:25:21,372
Speaker 8: you would have those customs back in the day. You

1784
01:25:21,372 --> 01:25:23,692
Speaker 8: know what you choose your ending. But this is a

1785
01:25:24,013 --> 01:25:27,053
Speaker 8: point like it say, it's like a whole year book

1786
01:25:27,093 --> 01:25:29,612
Speaker 8: on repeat. It's hilarious the times. But you know, when

1787
01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:30,933
Speaker 8: you're trying to knuckle down and get to work and

1788
01:25:30,933 --> 01:25:34,852
Speaker 8: it's like, well what do you say? You know, it's like, well,

1789
01:25:35,013 --> 01:25:36,532
Speaker 8: hold on, hold on, do you want me to tell

1790
01:25:36,572 --> 01:25:38,172
Speaker 8: you the ending? Is time to make a little.

1791
01:25:37,973 --> 01:25:41,173
Speaker 2: Bit different and so and so, what what are you

1792
01:25:41,213 --> 01:25:43,932
Speaker 2: doing about that? Because I mentioned that would be a

1793
01:25:43,933 --> 01:25:46,532
Speaker 2: bit of a bit of a drag on productivity having

1794
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:47,732
Speaker 2: to listen to the same story.

1795
01:25:47,812 --> 01:25:53,692
Speaker 8: Yeah, so it's always the oh hey, oh sorry, I

1796
01:25:54,053 --> 01:25:56,133
Speaker 8: just I just want to fell away. I need to

1797
01:25:56,133 --> 01:25:59,372
Speaker 8: see if he's all right, you know, just to find

1798
01:25:59,372 --> 01:26:02,732
Speaker 8: a way to kind of, you know, yeah, walk out

1799
01:26:02,772 --> 01:26:04,333
Speaker 8: of it. But yeah, like I said, because sometimes you know,

1800
01:26:04,333 --> 01:26:06,412
Speaker 8: you'd find out a bit rude to say, wow, hey

1801
01:26:06,452 --> 01:26:07,932
Speaker 8: look mate, I've kind of heard this one.

1802
01:26:07,973 --> 01:26:11,092
Speaker 2: And it doesn't necessarily stop someone Harold. In my experience,

1803
01:26:11,173 --> 01:26:15,133
Speaker 2: you can go to someone yeah, yeah, you've told me this, yep, yep,

1804
01:26:15,372 --> 01:26:17,133
Speaker 2: well you know, and it doesn't stop them. They just

1805
01:26:17,133 --> 01:26:20,652
Speaker 2: steamed through like this this text. And Nathan says, my

1806
01:26:20,732 --> 01:26:23,013
Speaker 2: kids try to stop my stories, but I power on

1807
01:26:23,133 --> 01:26:27,372
Speaker 2: through regardless. Yeah that's the last yeah.

1808
01:26:28,652 --> 01:26:30,333
Speaker 8: Coming, I need to tell you the good part.

1809
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:32,612
Speaker 2: You're a good work bly Harold.

1810
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:36,773
Speaker 8: Yeah. I like to think so. But yeah, thank you

1811
01:26:36,893 --> 01:26:39,253
Speaker 8: just got a topic.

1812
01:26:39,692 --> 01:26:41,172
Speaker 2: Thank you so much me. You call Harold.

1813
01:26:41,253 --> 01:26:43,652
Speaker 3: I appreciate it three to four times a week. I've

1814
01:26:43,652 --> 01:26:45,492
Speaker 3: got to say, I mean, I need to hear the story.

1815
01:26:45,532 --> 01:26:48,372
Speaker 3: But I think timing is important. Once a month, if

1816
01:26:48,412 --> 01:26:50,652
Speaker 3: I heard my old mate retell the story, I'd be

1817
01:26:50,652 --> 01:26:52,612
Speaker 3: okay with that. But three to four times a week,

1818
01:26:52,612 --> 01:26:54,492
Speaker 3: at some point you're going to have to say, mate,

1819
01:26:55,253 --> 01:26:57,173
Speaker 3: this is a fourth time you've said that this week.

1820
01:26:57,372 --> 01:26:59,932
Speaker 2: I've got it an okay story. To be honest with me, Tyler,

1821
01:27:00,532 --> 01:27:01,213
Speaker 2: we're good friends.

1822
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:01,572
Speaker 4: Yep.

1823
01:27:01,893 --> 01:27:03,172
Speaker 2: Do I repeat my stories?

1824
01:27:04,213 --> 01:27:06,893
Speaker 3: I don't think you have yet. I'm just trying to

1825
01:27:06,893 --> 01:27:09,213
Speaker 3: think of a time, Andrew. Can you remember Matt Heath

1826
01:27:09,333 --> 01:27:11,012
Speaker 3: ever repeating one of his stories.

1827
01:27:11,772 --> 01:27:12,133
Speaker 2: I don't.

1828
01:27:12,412 --> 01:27:13,892
Speaker 3: I actually think, well, what do we am?

1829
01:27:13,973 --> 01:27:16,492
Speaker 2: We're eight months into it. Now, you've lived a colorful life.

1830
01:27:16,732 --> 01:27:18,372
Speaker 3: There will come a time, I reckon, We've got about

1831
01:27:18,412 --> 01:27:20,732
Speaker 3: another four months before one of your old stories pops

1832
01:27:20,772 --> 01:27:21,133
Speaker 3: back up.

1833
01:27:21,173 --> 01:27:23,372
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I take from that that you're not listening

1834
01:27:23,372 --> 01:27:26,173
Speaker 2: to me because I've everyone else thinks i'd repeat my story.

1835
01:27:26,213 --> 01:27:28,052
Speaker 2: So the fact that you don't think I am suggested

1836
01:27:28,053 --> 01:27:29,812
Speaker 2: to me that you zone out no matter what I say.

1837
01:27:29,933 --> 01:27:32,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because you've changed them and embellished them so much.

1838
01:27:32,173 --> 01:27:33,253
Speaker 3: It sounds like a new story.

1839
01:27:33,893 --> 01:27:35,333
Speaker 2: Should we go to the phones or should we take

1840
01:27:35,333 --> 01:27:35,652
Speaker 2: a break.

1841
01:27:35,732 --> 01:27:37,412
Speaker 3: Let's take a break. And come back okay with your

1842
01:27:37,412 --> 01:27:39,652
Speaker 3: phone calls? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1843
01:27:39,732 --> 01:27:41,612
Speaker 3: number of call? How do you stop someone who is

1844
01:27:41,652 --> 01:27:43,492
Speaker 3: telling the same story multiple times?

1845
01:27:43,492 --> 01:27:44,013
Speaker 2: Will do you?

1846
01:27:44,253 --> 01:27:46,133
Speaker 3: And the text numbers nine two nine two.

1847
01:27:46,772 --> 01:27:49,133
Speaker 2: This is a serious sosie for KIWI. So many texts

1848
01:27:49,133 --> 01:27:50,892
Speaker 2: are coming through. It is so many. This is a

1849
01:27:51,013 --> 01:27:53,133
Speaker 2: very important issue. Does it sound like it when it started?

1850
01:27:53,173 --> 01:28:00,492
Speaker 2: But it is nineteen bars three.

1851
01:27:58,612 --> 01:28:01,972
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1852
01:28:02,053 --> 01:28:04,213
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1853
01:28:04,333 --> 01:28:07,052
Speaker 3: It is twenty one past three. So many great techs

1854
01:28:07,093 --> 01:28:07,532
Speaker 3: coming through.

1855
01:28:08,572 --> 01:28:11,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone says, hearing the story, you may learn something

1856
01:28:11,173 --> 01:28:14,133
Speaker 2: from the older generation, a bit of history. Maybe, Yeah, absolutely.

1857
01:28:14,133 --> 01:28:17,732
Speaker 2: I think you should listen to the story the first time. Yeah,

1858
01:28:17,973 --> 01:28:20,333
Speaker 2: second time, sure, maybe you learn some more. The third

1859
01:28:20,333 --> 01:28:22,772
Speaker 2: time you hear the story, you might be questioning whether

1860
01:28:22,812 --> 01:28:24,492
Speaker 2: you need to hear it again and whether that's the

1861
01:28:24,492 --> 01:28:26,452
Speaker 2: best usage of your time. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

1862
01:28:26,452 --> 01:28:29,412
Speaker 2: But you should definitely listen to people older than you

1863
01:28:29,492 --> 01:28:32,652
Speaker 2: because they have a lot to share. Absolutely, sex it

1864
01:28:32,732 --> 01:28:34,612
Speaker 2: says max Is. It's a privilege to get older and

1865
01:28:34,652 --> 01:28:37,532
Speaker 2: ramble on with repetitive stories. You've reached a certain level

1866
01:28:37,572 --> 01:28:41,492
Speaker 2: of seniority in life and feel loved. Someone's bothered listening

1867
01:28:41,492 --> 01:28:45,213
Speaker 2: to you, Freddie. Oh okay, that's an interesting idea. You

1868
01:28:45,253 --> 01:28:48,052
Speaker 2: can show love for people in your life by sitting

1869
01:28:48,053 --> 01:28:48,932
Speaker 2: through their boring stories.

1870
01:28:49,093 --> 01:28:51,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe I'm starting to come to your

1871
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:54,013
Speaker 3: side of the column here that it'd be nice to

1872
01:28:54,013 --> 01:28:55,852
Speaker 3: be told because this text, I think Tyler is told

1873
01:28:55,893 --> 01:28:58,093
Speaker 3: the same story a few times, should change his name to.

1874
01:28:58,093 --> 01:29:00,012
Speaker 2: Repeat his station. Is that true?

1875
01:29:00,213 --> 01:29:02,213
Speaker 3: I'll just tell the same crap yarn over and over again.

1876
01:29:02,372 --> 01:29:04,892
Speaker 2: What one of you repeated? Someone has caught me out

1877
01:29:04,893 --> 01:29:06,572
Speaker 2: on one that I've set on the story you constantly

1878
01:29:06,572 --> 01:29:08,692
Speaker 2: talk about the time you found a full key we

1879
01:29:08,732 --> 01:29:11,772
Speaker 2: trick arounder the farmhouse when you're growing out. Oh yeah,

1880
01:29:11,812 --> 01:29:12,053
Speaker 2: yeah that.

1881
01:29:12,213 --> 01:29:13,892
Speaker 3: I think you've got to two times out of there.

1882
01:29:13,893 --> 01:29:14,013
Speaker 5: One.

1883
01:29:14,093 --> 01:29:18,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got me there. Yeah, I told that one.

1884
01:29:19,933 --> 01:29:20,053
Speaker 6: Oh.

1885
01:29:20,093 --> 01:29:22,173
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1886
01:29:22,213 --> 01:29:24,333
Speaker 3: How do you stop someone from telling the same story

1887
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:26,932
Speaker 3: over and over again? Or should you stop them?

1888
01:29:27,213 --> 01:29:30,213
Speaker 2: Christopher? Welcome to the show youday guys.

1889
01:29:31,093 --> 01:29:32,772
Speaker 27: Sorry I told the guy my name is Christopher, but

1890
01:29:32,812 --> 01:29:36,652
Speaker 27: it's Christen only anyway, love listen to you boys. I

1891
01:29:36,692 --> 01:29:40,572
Speaker 27: have a local pub mate, Paul, and you know, every

1892
01:29:40,692 --> 01:29:44,973
Speaker 27: month to six weeks it'll switch back and after a

1893
01:29:45,013 --> 01:29:49,452
Speaker 27: few schooners, he'll then repeat. Though someone's thinking we're a

1894
01:29:49,492 --> 01:29:52,612
Speaker 27: new audience, but we've been the same audience for last

1895
01:29:52,732 --> 01:29:57,732
Speaker 27: five years, and his mate Tony the last twenty five years.

1896
01:29:57,812 --> 01:30:01,412
Speaker 27: I'm just new to this town. But the crack up

1897
01:30:01,412 --> 01:30:04,572
Speaker 27: for me is Tony and I agreed we're going to

1898
01:30:04,572 --> 01:30:07,333
Speaker 27: shut them down to stop the wasteful of five or

1899
01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:10,133
Speaker 27: ten minutes at a time. So we just finished his

1900
01:30:10,253 --> 01:30:13,093
Speaker 27: story off for him and then we high five and

1901
01:30:13,133 --> 01:30:16,692
Speaker 27: then start talking amongst themselves about something different and it

1902
01:30:16,692 --> 01:30:19,372
Speaker 27: puts them into shock. I reckon, he must have our

1903
01:30:19,492 --> 01:30:23,612
Speaker 27: cottage to dementia. He's an old British soldier, God bless him. Yeah,

1904
01:30:24,612 --> 01:30:26,812
Speaker 27: so we do that in a friendly way.

1905
01:30:26,933 --> 01:30:28,492
Speaker 2: You just fast forward to the end of the story,

1906
01:30:28,572 --> 01:30:30,692
Speaker 2: and I wonder if he's sitting there going wow, how

1907
01:30:30,732 --> 01:30:31,173
Speaker 2: did they know?

1908
01:30:32,372 --> 01:30:36,372
Speaker 27: How they know? And he's legitimately shocked. These people's changing everything.

1909
01:30:36,893 --> 01:30:39,972
Speaker 27: But this is not a technique that I would use

1910
01:30:40,492 --> 01:30:44,492
Speaker 27: on a family member like you know, an auntie or

1911
01:30:44,893 --> 01:30:47,652
Speaker 27: a grandmother or even my own parents like I would

1912
01:30:47,772 --> 01:30:49,532
Speaker 27: hear the story and I'd go through it again and

1913
01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:52,333
Speaker 27: again if I had to, because the difference between him

1914
01:30:52,572 --> 01:30:56,253
Speaker 27: is he's wasting my spare time. When I'm with my family.

1915
01:30:56,013 --> 01:30:56,892
Speaker 15: That is my time.

1916
01:30:57,612 --> 01:31:00,532
Speaker 3: Nicely said, yeah, good on you, Chris, thank you for that,

1917
01:31:00,812 --> 01:31:02,412
Speaker 3: because I was going to say, the closer you are

1918
01:31:02,452 --> 01:31:04,612
Speaker 3: to someone, probably the easier it is to shut them down.

1919
01:31:04,652 --> 01:31:07,732
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. Some family members are easier

1920
01:31:07,732 --> 01:31:08,173
Speaker 3: than others.

1921
01:31:09,053 --> 01:31:11,173
Speaker 2: Matt. You know Glane is good for the odd yarn,

1922
01:31:11,293 --> 01:31:14,212
Speaker 2: but his yarns are well worth listening to on multiple occasions.

1923
01:31:14,293 --> 01:31:17,293
Speaker 2: Gelane is a sports commentator that I work with on

1924
01:31:17,333 --> 01:31:20,213
Speaker 2: the a SEC. Even if you just narrow it down

1925
01:31:20,253 --> 01:31:23,852
Speaker 2: to acc yarns, I enjoy the retailer just as much

1926
01:31:23,893 --> 01:31:26,173
Speaker 2: as the first time. Slow patches and test cricket could

1927
01:31:26,173 --> 01:31:28,492
Speaker 2: always produce some gold, and I courage others to pile

1928
01:31:28,572 --> 01:31:31,132
Speaker 2: in and remind Glane of the yarns he may actively

1929
01:31:31,333 --> 01:31:35,333
Speaker 2: be avoiding. That's Dale from Christich And as a person

1930
01:31:35,333 --> 01:31:38,293
Speaker 2: that's commentated a lot of test cricket, you will find

1931
01:31:38,293 --> 01:31:40,492
Speaker 2: patches where you just have to pull up anything, so

1932
01:31:41,732 --> 01:31:44,492
Speaker 2: you all tend to repeat the same story. I have

1933
01:31:44,652 --> 01:31:46,173
Speaker 2: material that works. Use it again.

1934
01:31:46,253 --> 01:31:48,213
Speaker 3: Ah, this is a great text. A very good friend

1935
01:31:48,293 --> 01:31:51,012
Speaker 3: told the same story over and over for years. Last

1936
01:31:51,093 --> 01:31:54,212
Speaker 3: year I made her a personalized calendar. Each month featured

1937
01:31:54,213 --> 01:31:58,532
Speaker 3: one of her stories, along with an AI produced pictorial representation.

1938
01:31:58,612 --> 01:32:01,013
Speaker 3: It was received in good humor and has resulted in

1939
01:32:01,053 --> 01:32:04,053
Speaker 3: the repeated stories almost disappearing from her repertoire.

1940
01:32:05,013 --> 01:32:07,333
Speaker 2: My husband and my sister both tell stories. I've heard

1941
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Speaker 2: several times. If you try to cut them off at

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Speaker 2: the past, they don't get it, and you still have

1943
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Speaker 2: to finish this. One points out that, Hi, guys, we

1944
01:32:14,933 --> 01:32:17,652
Speaker 2: only have an average lifespan of six one hundred and

1945
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Speaker 2: fifty thous hours on Earth. Yeah was it? It's four

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Speaker 2: thousand weeks roughly, So once is enough?

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Speaker 28: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a person that's telling a lot

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Speaker 2: of stories in the same stories to people, are you

1950
01:32:29,253 --> 01:32:32,133
Speaker 2: wasting the precious moments that your loved ones have on

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01:32:32,133 --> 01:32:35,732
Speaker 2: this planet? Yeah? I mean so, Tyler, you say you'll

1952
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Speaker 2: listen to any story because you just don't want to

1953
01:32:37,412 --> 01:32:41,333
Speaker 2: be rude, But you know, you've got your life. You

1954
01:32:41,372 --> 01:32:43,612
Speaker 2: could get hit by a bus tomorrow, Tyler, and you've

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01:32:43,612 --> 01:32:47,892
Speaker 2: spent you know, a significant portion of your life listening

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01:32:47,933 --> 01:32:49,812
Speaker 2: to the stories of a certain perpose person. We both

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Speaker 2: know who he is.

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Speaker 3: But quite often on multitasking, so they'll be telling the story.

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Speaker 3: In my head, I'm just thinking what am I going

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01:32:54,612 --> 01:32:56,133
Speaker 3: to have for dinner tonight? What have I got to

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01:32:56,133 --> 01:32:58,412
Speaker 3: do on the weekend? And to see the joy in

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Speaker 3: their eyes when they're telling the story that they think

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Speaker 3: for the first time, it's you know, it's priceless.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting slaughtered here from my trek Of story, Matt.

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01:33:04,853 --> 01:33:06,772
Speaker 2: I've heard the trek of story under the house or

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01:33:06,772 --> 01:33:08,652
Speaker 2: in the barn of your parents' house at leads four

1967
01:33:08,692 --> 01:33:12,772
Speaker 2: times on Zedby get some new work stories. The story

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01:33:12,772 --> 01:33:15,572
Speaker 2: has come out a lot. If that Trekker story, if

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01:33:15,572 --> 01:33:17,572
Speaker 2: it comes up, I want people on eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two to ring

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01:33:19,973 --> 01:33:22,372
Speaker 2: up and to text and ring up and abuse me yeap,

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01:33:22,452 --> 01:33:24,372
Speaker 2: to stop me telling the Treker story again. But it

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01:33:24,492 --> 01:33:27,253
Speaker 2: was amazing, Toylly, you gotta understand tell it again. I

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01:33:27,293 --> 01:33:28,932
Speaker 2: was under the house and I found all the parts

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01:33:28,973 --> 01:33:30,932
Speaker 2: to a Trekcker. And I've been talking about the Trekker

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01:33:31,732 --> 01:33:33,933
Speaker 2: with people for years, and I had no idea that

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01:33:34,053 --> 01:33:36,213
Speaker 2: under the farm that I was living in under the house.

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01:33:36,412 --> 01:33:38,013
Speaker 2: That would have all the bits of a trekker to

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01:33:38,013 --> 01:33:41,732
Speaker 2: put together an old tricker. Yeah, get out of town.

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01:33:41,853 --> 01:33:46,173
Speaker 2: That's a great story. It's fantastic. Andrew, our producer, just

1981
01:33:46,173 --> 01:33:47,973
Speaker 2: came through sarcastically saying I haven't heard this.

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01:33:48,013 --> 01:33:50,492
Speaker 3: We're going to need a trecker alarm or something right.

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01:33:50,572 --> 01:33:52,732
Speaker 3: Thank you very much to everyone who called an text

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01:33:52,853 --> 01:33:56,372
Speaker 3: on that. Some fantastic texts that come through. Wish we

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01:33:56,372 --> 01:33:58,213
Speaker 3: could read them all out on here, but so many

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01:33:58,293 --> 01:34:01,772
Speaker 3: have come through. But standing by is Gareth Abdenor. He

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01:34:01,853 --> 01:34:05,412
Speaker 3: is an employment lawyer and workplace specialist, and he is

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01:34:05,492 --> 01:34:07,532
Speaker 3: taking your calls and questions you got a problem in

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01:34:07,572 --> 01:34:09,812
Speaker 3: the workplace, He is man to chet too. There's already

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01:34:09,812 --> 01:34:11,253
Speaker 3: a few texts that it comes for a nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two. And if you're the boss and you've got

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01:34:13,173 --> 01:34:15,852
Speaker 3: a problem with your employee, he is certainly a good

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01:34:15,853 --> 01:34:18,093
Speaker 3: person to have a chat too as well. Oh, eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 2: Call and final word on this. Jeremy Wells has told

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Speaker 2: the Table Talk The Table Talk College Rifles Chicken mascot

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01:34:27,452 --> 01:34:30,333
Speaker 2: story at the Netball about nine hundred and ninety nine times.

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Speaker 2: But that's a very good story.

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01:34:32,053 --> 01:34:32,812
Speaker 3: Can we tell it now?

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01:34:33,452 --> 01:34:38,412
Speaker 2: You cannot tell that story? Way too sexual. For twenty

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01:34:38,452 --> 01:34:40,213
Speaker 2: eight past three.

2002
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Speaker 13: Jews Talk said the headlines it's blue bubble taxis, it's

2003
01:34:44,853 --> 01:34:47,692
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Reserve Bank is

2004
01:34:47,812 --> 01:34:51,333
Speaker 13: keeping the official cash rate unchanged at three point two

2005
01:34:51,492 --> 01:34:55,012
Speaker 13: five percent. The Military Policy Committee has agreed on needing

2006
01:34:55,053 --> 01:34:59,053
Speaker 13: to wait and see how things track, particularly with global tariffs.

2007
01:34:59,652 --> 01:35:01,892
Speaker 13: Another heavy rain watch is just kicked in for the

2008
01:35:01,933 --> 01:35:05,893
Speaker 13: Tasman districts northwest of Mutueca, with the worst falls expected

2009
01:35:05,933 --> 01:35:10,173
Speaker 13: on the coastal fringe towards the north west. A task

2010
01:35:10,253 --> 01:35:12,973
Speaker 13: force of job seekers has been activated in Tasman and

2011
01:35:13,013 --> 01:35:16,532
Speaker 13: Marlborough to support a flood cleanup. An expert panel for

2012
01:35:16,572 --> 01:35:20,012
Speaker 13: the Ministry for the Environment says homeowners could decide whether

2013
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Speaker 13: to stay at a high risk weather damage area unless

2014
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Speaker 13: says risk to life and shouldn't expect government buyouts. Quantus

2015
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Speaker 13: is getting in touch with customers affected by a cyber

2016
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Speaker 13: hack impacting almost six million customers. Says it's no evidence

2017
01:35:35,213 --> 01:35:40,093
Speaker 13: stolen personal data has been released. People using recommended two

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Speaker 13: and one aspirin halers can collect three months, supply at

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Speaker 13: once from next month instead of in three installments and

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Speaker 13: sex subtle signs You're heading for divorce and how to

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2022
01:35:52,732 --> 01:35:54,012
Speaker 13: Now back to Matton Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy So. Gareth Abdnoor is an employment,

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01:35:57,133 --> 01:36:00,572
Speaker 3: workplace and information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law.

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01:36:00,612 --> 01:36:03,053
Speaker 3: He joins us once a month is part of our

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01:36:03,093 --> 01:36:06,093
Speaker 3: US the Expert series to answer listener questions and is

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01:36:06,133 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 3: back with US live from our christ Studio.

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Speaker 2: Get a Gareth good.

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01:36:09,853 --> 01:36:11,612
Speaker 29: Hey guys, how you doing so?

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Speaker 2: E one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got an

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01:36:14,492 --> 01:36:19,572
Speaker 2: employment related question for Gareth Tyler, you've got a text there. Yes,

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01:36:20,372 --> 01:36:21,013
Speaker 2: so Hi.

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01:36:21,492 --> 01:36:25,972
Speaker 3: If your contracts say pay reviews every year, Gareth, does

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01:36:26,093 --> 01:36:29,293
Speaker 3: employer need to abide by this had no pay review

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01:36:29,532 --> 01:36:31,092
Speaker 3: for four years? Please advise?

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01:36:31,933 --> 01:36:35,412
Speaker 29: Yeah. This is one that comes up all the time

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01:36:35,652 --> 01:36:40,333
Speaker 29: because most employment agreements have this provision in it and

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01:36:40,492 --> 01:36:45,173
Speaker 29: most employers forget about them. There is an argument that

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01:36:45,853 --> 01:36:49,173
Speaker 29: if you don't remind your employer, it's a little bit

2040
01:36:49,333 --> 01:36:52,572
Speaker 29: rich to say, well I haven't had one, because all

2041
01:36:52,612 --> 01:36:56,692
Speaker 29: you need to do is ask. But yes, technically if

2042
01:36:56,732 --> 01:36:58,812
Speaker 29: it's in your agreement, it should happen. Of course, a

2043
01:36:58,812 --> 01:37:01,693
Speaker 29: pay review doesn't mean you get a pay increase, Unfortunately.

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01:37:02,452 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 2: I always think about that. It's a strange thing in

2045
01:37:04,372 --> 01:37:06,772
Speaker 2: contracts when they push for a pay review, because what

2046
01:37:06,812 --> 01:37:09,772
Speaker 2: does that actually mean that you are forcing them to

2047
01:37:09,812 --> 01:37:14,013
Speaker 2: sit down and talk about your pay but it's not

2048
01:37:14,093 --> 01:37:14,732
Speaker 2: binding at all?

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01:37:15,372 --> 01:37:18,932
Speaker 29: Well exactly, I mean they look at it, and who knows,

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01:37:18,973 --> 01:37:22,333
Speaker 29: they may actually go, well, you know, we've looked at

2051
01:37:22,333 --> 01:37:25,013
Speaker 29: it and we're not that happy with what you're producing.

2052
01:37:25,053 --> 01:37:27,012
Speaker 29: We don't think it's worth what you're giving paid.

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01:37:27,133 --> 01:37:29,333
Speaker 2: King, I saw the pay review. Can that go backwards?

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01:37:30,013 --> 01:37:33,253
Speaker 29: Well, they can't reduce your pay. They could look at

2055
01:37:33,253 --> 01:37:34,372
Speaker 29: performance managing you.

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01:37:34,692 --> 01:37:37,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, reducing pay. I mean that would that would

2057
01:37:37,492 --> 01:37:39,612
Speaker 3: send a message, wouldn't it. Actually, you can't do that

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01:37:39,652 --> 01:37:42,532
Speaker 3: by by legislation, No to my pay review.

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01:37:42,532 --> 01:37:43,173
Speaker 2: If that's the case.

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01:37:43,293 --> 01:37:47,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh eighty is the number to call if you've

2061
01:37:47,412 --> 01:37:49,692
Speaker 3: got a question for Gareth. Now is your opportunity. This

2062
01:37:50,053 --> 01:37:52,372
Speaker 3: text just came through in the last couple of minutes.

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01:37:52,412 --> 01:37:55,333
Speaker 3: Gareth sees my daughter has just broken her shoulder and

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01:37:55,333 --> 01:37:57,412
Speaker 3: had an operation and she was due to start work

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01:37:57,452 --> 01:38:01,092
Speaker 3: at the end of the month. Can she claim ACC from.

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01:38:00,933 --> 01:38:01,652
Speaker 2: Her new job?

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01:38:03,572 --> 01:38:05,732
Speaker 3: Oh cheap as that's a curly one.

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01:38:06,133 --> 01:38:12,052
Speaker 29: Yeah, so she hasn't actually started the new job yet.

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01:38:12,372 --> 01:38:16,253
Speaker 3: It appears she hasn't. No, so I'll just read that again.

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01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:18,412
Speaker 3: She was due to start work at the end of

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01:38:18,452 --> 01:38:23,052
Speaker 3: the month, right, but she at appears she hasn't started yet.

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01:38:23,452 --> 01:38:31,532
Speaker 29: Okay, yep, I'm not sure if she's if she if

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01:38:31,532 --> 01:38:38,213
Speaker 29: she's still unfit to work and her new job starts potentially,

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01:38:40,133 --> 01:38:42,772
Speaker 29: but that's something that I'd have to sit down and

2075
01:38:42,812 --> 01:38:45,692
Speaker 29: look into. ACC is a tangled web.

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01:38:47,893 --> 01:38:49,572
Speaker 2: So hang on a minute. So you've got you can't

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01:38:49,572 --> 01:38:51,213
Speaker 2: work at one job, and that goes on to your

2078
01:38:51,213 --> 01:38:52,972
Speaker 2: next job, and you still can't work at that job.

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01:38:53,973 --> 01:38:56,012
Speaker 29: It's a bit it's a bit weird. I have to say.

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01:38:56,013 --> 01:38:57,413
Speaker 29: I think we need more information.

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01:38:57,692 --> 01:38:59,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't sound right from the you know, it

2082
01:38:59,812 --> 01:39:03,972
Speaker 3: sounds unfear for the employer that this person hasn't started yet. Yes,

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01:39:04,053 --> 01:39:06,372
Speaker 3: they've signed them on to the job, but then they

2084
01:39:06,412 --> 01:39:09,333
Speaker 3: have to cough up? Was it eighty percent of this ELF?

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01:39:09,973 --> 01:39:13,133
Speaker 29: I would be surprised if the new employer had to

2086
01:39:13,173 --> 01:39:17,973
Speaker 29: pay anything. But ACC may cover this person.

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01:39:19,372 --> 01:39:22,253
Speaker 2: For a while, right, Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty

2088
01:39:22,372 --> 01:39:25,812
Speaker 2: ten eighty. You've got a question for Gareth on employment

2089
01:39:25,933 --> 01:39:30,772
Speaker 2: workplace problems. Garth, Welcome to the show. Your question for Gareth?

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01:39:31,893 --> 01:39:32,572
Speaker 23: Hi, Gareth.

2091
01:39:32,652 --> 01:39:35,692
Speaker 26: My question is that I'm in sales and when I

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01:39:35,772 --> 01:39:39,932
Speaker 26: signed the contract with the employee, they advertised a job

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01:39:39,973 --> 01:39:44,012
Speaker 26: that obviously with on target earnings. When I took the role,

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01:39:44,973 --> 01:39:47,452
Speaker 26: they don't have any stop to meet the on target

2095
01:39:47,492 --> 01:39:50,013
Speaker 26: earnings or the commission structure attached. What can I do

2096
01:39:50,053 --> 01:39:50,412
Speaker 26: about that?

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01:39:51,812 --> 01:39:54,932
Speaker 29: Well, first step, as I always say to people, raise

2098
01:39:54,973 --> 01:39:58,852
Speaker 29: it with your employer. Say hey, this is this is

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01:39:58,933 --> 01:40:04,053
Speaker 29: my understanding, this is what we agreed to. I'm now

2100
01:40:04,213 --> 01:40:07,732
Speaker 29: being prevented from achieving those targets because of things outside

2101
01:40:07,772 --> 01:40:12,852
Speaker 29: of my control. Where do we go from here? They

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01:40:13,053 --> 01:40:18,133
Speaker 29: have to engage with you in good faith and see

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01:40:18,133 --> 01:40:20,173
Speaker 29: if you can come to some sort of arrangement. If

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01:40:20,213 --> 01:40:24,972
Speaker 29: you can't, you've potentially got grounds for acclaim. But that's

2105
01:40:24,973 --> 01:40:27,013
Speaker 29: obviously going to be burning some bridges. So see if

2106
01:40:27,053 --> 01:40:29,293
Speaker 29: you can come to an arrangement with your employer. First,

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01:40:29,532 --> 01:40:31,652
Speaker 29: it sounds like it's not your fault. You can't do

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01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:34,452
Speaker 29: anything about it if they don't have the stock, and

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01:40:34,692 --> 01:40:37,293
Speaker 29: they'd be pretty unreasonable not to accept that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, brilliant, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with good luck. Yeah, great question.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:40:44,372 --> 01:40:46,452
Speaker 3: to call if you want to tip through your question.

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01:40:46,572 --> 01:40:49,372
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the number will place a

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01:40:49,412 --> 01:40:50,333
Speaker 3: few messages shortly.

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01:40:50,412 --> 01:40:52,172
Speaker 2: Okay, so we do one more text for the message

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Speaker 2: for that. How long can an employer withhold final pay

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01:40:55,812 --> 01:41:01,973
Speaker 2: pending return of property and final paperwork being completed? That

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01:41:02,053 --> 01:41:03,532
Speaker 2: seems like there's a bit of a story under that.

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01:41:04,173 --> 01:41:08,173
Speaker 29: Why aren't you returning the company property? I think that

2121
01:41:08,333 --> 01:41:12,253
Speaker 29: that's the real question there. Yeah, yeah, this is one

2122
01:41:12,293 --> 01:41:16,333
Speaker 29: of those situations where in a lot of employment agreements,

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01:41:16,452 --> 01:41:21,533
Speaker 29: the employee agrees that our final pay can be withheld

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01:41:22,093 --> 01:41:26,572
Speaker 29: until certain items are returned. Of course, the legal position

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01:41:26,732 --> 01:41:30,932
Speaker 29: is a little bit more tricky than that, and so yes,

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01:41:31,013 --> 01:41:34,772
Speaker 29: we need more information. But if you hold company property

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01:41:35,133 --> 01:41:40,133
Speaker 29: and you're not giving it back, maybe the employers and

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01:41:40,412 --> 01:41:43,893
Speaker 29: titled to withhold pay. Whether whether that's strictly legal or not,

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01:41:43,893 --> 01:41:44,772
Speaker 29: it's another story.

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01:41:44,973 --> 01:41:47,652
Speaker 2: It sounds like a dangerous standoff, right there, doesn't it

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01:41:47,652 --> 01:41:47,972
Speaker 2: It does.

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01:41:48,293 --> 01:41:50,333
Speaker 3: Someone's got to make a move, that is, someone's got

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01:41:50,333 --> 01:41:51,892
Speaker 3: to take a shot or the other.

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01:41:52,013 --> 01:41:53,732
Speaker 2: I'd return the property. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 29: It's amazing how some people get awfully attached to their

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01:41:57,173 --> 01:42:00,172
Speaker 29: work uniform for a place that they don't work in anymore.

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01:42:00,333 --> 01:42:01,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, might even be a work car.

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01:42:01,812 --> 01:42:03,133
Speaker 3: I mean, that's something you want to give back.

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01:42:04,933 --> 01:42:06,692
Speaker 2: I'm never giving back the stapler that I took home

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Speaker 2: the other day.

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Speaker 3: That is a very nice stay. Got to say, Oh

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01:42:09,013 --> 01:42:10,772
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

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01:42:11,293 --> 01:42:13,692
Speaker 3: It is twenty two to four back very shortly with

2144
01:42:13,772 --> 01:42:15,972
Speaker 3: Gareth Abdenor Matt.

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01:42:15,853 --> 01:42:19,133
Speaker 1: Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred

2146
01:42:19,133 --> 01:42:21,772
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

2147
01:42:21,812 --> 01:42:23,213
Speaker 1: Afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. We are joined

2149
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Speaker 3: by Gareth abden Or. He's an employment, workplace and information

2150
01:42:29,372 --> 01:42:32,372
Speaker 3: expert and director of Abdenal Employment Law. He has taken

2151
01:42:32,412 --> 01:42:34,532
Speaker 3: your questions you've got a problem in the workplace. He's

2152
01:42:34,532 --> 01:42:36,812
Speaker 3: the man to chat to if you're an employer that

2153
01:42:36,933 --> 01:42:39,053
Speaker 3: needs a bit of advice. Now's your opportunity. Oh eight

2154
01:42:39,133 --> 01:42:41,132
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty, Kevin, what have you got for Gareth?

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Speaker 4: YEA, how's again, I was full time work, was involved

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Speaker 4: in a little of an accident, pretty much, I had

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Speaker 4: an excellent of the work truck. I got put from

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Speaker 4: full time to casual because no truck, no work. I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to move into another job. Am I approached by

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Speaker 4: the other employer to still stay with them? Or can

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Speaker 4: I move into another job right with another employer?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, and unless there's some sort of restriction medically on

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Speaker 29: the work you can do.

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of.

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Speaker 29: Any restriction that would prevent you from applying to move

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Speaker 29: to a new employer.

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Speaker 4: I just I just thought I might be obliged with

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Speaker 4: the contact that I worked on with a casual contract,

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Speaker 4: whether I still go back to them, or whether I

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Speaker 4: could move it to another full time job with somebody else.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, I mean if if you're truly on a casual contract.

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Speaker 4: Well, it wasn't in the until the war call was

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Speaker 4: or appeared, and then I would possibly moved back into

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Speaker 4: a full time employment. But it's already been four months

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Speaker 4: and I'm not too four whether some employment at gable,

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Speaker 4: whether I stayed with the current employer or not. So

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Speaker 4: I have an illegal ground just move on or.

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Speaker 29: It's pretty unusual for you not to be able to

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Speaker 29: resign from your employment and move to a new employer.

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Speaker 29: There may be a notice period that you have to give,

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Speaker 29: and so I would look at the documentation that you've got,

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Speaker 29: but I would be very surprised if you can't resign

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Speaker 29: and move to a new job. Check your contract and

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Speaker 29: that's the starting point.

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Speaker 2: Thank If you call Kevin this Texas says I'm in sales.

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Speaker 2: What can I do if I'm being pressured to bring

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Speaker 2: in sales as if it's my fault when it doesn't happen.

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01:44:41,893 --> 01:44:43,932
Speaker 2: But I'm doing my job and logging all my visits.

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Speaker 2: Problem is our price is crap against competitors, and we

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01:44:47,173 --> 01:44:52,452
Speaker 2: have no incentives, incentives or primo stuff as your product

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01:44:52,492 --> 01:44:53,093
Speaker 2: crap as well.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, it doesn't sound like you've got great faith or

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Speaker 29: the offering that makes it feel.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it scrub up your CV?

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Speaker 8: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, totally. I mean this is something that happens all

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Speaker 29: the time. If you're doing your best and you're still

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Speaker 29: not making the sales, you need to communicate that to

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01:45:13,933 --> 01:45:17,853
Speaker 29: your employer. It may be that the expectations are unreasonable.

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Speaker 29: Of course, every time I see someone that is not

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Speaker 29: making sales, it's not their fault.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a great text, Kay Gareth Tyler and

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Speaker 3: Triple story.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 3: If I have a contract where I am a transport operator,

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Speaker 3: I have been asked to be on the books as

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Speaker 3: an employee, but they won't allow it. But in my

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Speaker 3: contract as a contractor, I cannot do work anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: What is the law in regards to this?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, I wish I could sum that up in a

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01:45:47,612 --> 01:45:52,932
Speaker 29: nice SoundBite, but it's quite a complicated thing. Essentially, it

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01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:55,892
Speaker 29: comes down to are you in business on your own account?

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Speaker 29: Are you running your own business? Are you actually a contractor?

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01:46:00,893 --> 01:46:05,213
Speaker 29: If not, there's a very strong likelihood that you're actually

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01:46:05,213 --> 01:46:10,972
Speaker 29: an employee. Often people try and set things up so

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01:46:11,053 --> 01:46:13,652
Speaker 29: that the worker is a contractor. There are benefits for

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01:46:13,732 --> 01:46:17,013
Speaker 29: the worker and for the business, but often this is

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01:46:17,053 --> 01:46:18,772
Speaker 29: actually employment in disguise.

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Speaker 3: So quite often in that situation, does it come down,

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Speaker 3: are they quite often fixed term contracts as a contractor

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01:46:25,853 --> 01:46:28,492
Speaker 3: that you cannot do work for anybody else during that

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Speaker 3: time period or is that a step further even still?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, once once you're preventing a worker from working for

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01:46:37,812 --> 01:46:41,572
Speaker 29: someone else, often they're not a contractor, because that's quite

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01:46:41,612 --> 01:46:46,053
Speaker 29: an unusual thing. If they are actually running their own business. Generally,

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01:46:46,812 --> 01:46:50,812
Speaker 29: they are actually an employee and you're all pretending that

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01:46:50,893 --> 01:46:54,572
Speaker 29: they are a contractor. That's all fine and dandy while

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01:46:54,612 --> 01:46:57,293
Speaker 29: it while it lasts and everybody's happy, but as soon

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Speaker 29: as it goes pear shaped, it's generally the company that's

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01:47:00,372 --> 01:47:01,052
Speaker 29: running the risk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Jason, your question for Gareth.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, aky, guys. We just had our our financial year

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01:47:09,853 --> 01:47:13,772
Speaker 28: come to an end in April, but because we own

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01:47:13,812 --> 01:47:18,932
Speaker 28: a business overseas and their financial year is July, two

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01:47:18,933 --> 01:47:22,253
Speaker 28: months after our financial year, we were notified that our

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01:47:22,333 --> 01:47:27,093
Speaker 28: financial year was changing, so we're due bonuses, etc. Which

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01:47:27,133 --> 01:47:30,492
Speaker 28: was all wrapped up in April until we received this

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01:47:30,612 --> 01:47:34,652
Speaker 28: email in May saying that the financial year was now changing.

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Speaker 28: So I don't know whether to expect fifteen months with

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Speaker 28: a bonus or what's really happening from there.

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01:47:43,933 --> 01:47:44,333
Speaker 2: Complish.

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01:47:44,412 --> 01:47:49,333
Speaker 29: Yeah, that's a messy situation for sure. At the risk

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01:47:49,372 --> 01:47:52,772
Speaker 29: of being repetitive, you should really be asking your employer that.

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01:47:52,973 --> 01:47:55,612
Speaker 29: But if it's clear that you're entitled to a bonus

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01:47:56,173 --> 01:48:01,452
Speaker 29: based on the original financial year, that would be the

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01:48:01,452 --> 01:48:06,333
Speaker 29: starting point. They can't usually just change that without getting

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01:48:06,372 --> 01:48:11,213
Speaker 29: agreement from you, and certainly just changing the financial year.

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01:48:11,732 --> 01:48:16,213
Speaker 29: If that has a negative consequence for you, you may have

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Speaker 29: grounds for a claim. So first engage with your employer

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01:48:20,452 --> 01:48:23,293
Speaker 29: ask them to clarify. I think that's a pretty legitimate

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01:48:23,333 --> 01:48:24,012
Speaker 29: thing to ask.

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01:48:24,772 --> 01:48:26,852
Speaker 2: Guys, can you give me that sale guy's number? I

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01:48:26,893 --> 01:48:30,013
Speaker 2: think we're working for the same company. A lot of

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01:48:30,013 --> 01:48:32,892
Speaker 2: people in that same situation where they're starting to sell

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01:48:33,412 --> 01:48:36,293
Speaker 2: a crap product for too much and being expected to

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01:48:36,293 --> 01:48:38,492
Speaker 2: do miracles, and the sales find another job.

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01:48:38,612 --> 01:48:41,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and eighty eight is the number.

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01:48:41,572 --> 01:48:43,492
Speaker 2: Call Chris your question.

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Speaker 25: Yes, I work for a government agency and I got

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01:48:51,692 --> 01:48:57,333
Speaker 25: my final pay. It was was a one month's notice clause. However,

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01:48:58,173 --> 01:49:00,733
Speaker 25: didn't give them one month, but they owed.

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01:49:00,492 --> 01:49:00,852
Speaker 12: It to me.

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01:49:01,692 --> 01:49:05,412
Speaker 25: With all that and all the other entitlements like leave

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01:49:05,532 --> 01:49:11,293
Speaker 25: and stuff. If they partially paid you one lot of

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01:49:12,013 --> 01:49:17,892
Speaker 25: leaves that was owed to you. But oh, do you

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01:49:18,093 --> 01:49:23,652
Speaker 25: other entitlements like well which there was, or the or

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01:49:23,652 --> 01:49:26,732
Speaker 25: the remainder leave. Do they have to text you again

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01:49:26,893 --> 01:49:35,053
Speaker 25: for the for the remainder leave or other entitlements then

2270
01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:40,812
Speaker 25: being income tax and stuff? You know you know what

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01:49:40,853 --> 01:49:41,572
Speaker 25: I'm talking about.

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01:49:42,452 --> 01:49:44,333
Speaker 29: Yeah, I think I know where you're coming from. What

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01:49:44,933 --> 01:49:49,412
Speaker 29: people are often surprised with their final pay. Is that

2274
01:49:49,572 --> 01:49:54,852
Speaker 29: when you get the lump sum payment, the tax consequences

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01:49:54,933 --> 01:49:58,213
Speaker 29: are often a bit of a negative surprise, and you

2276
01:49:58,293 --> 01:50:02,732
Speaker 29: do end up paying more tax than you anticipate. Of course,

2277
01:50:02,853 --> 01:50:05,173
Speaker 29: at the end of the tax year when you do

2278
01:50:05,253 --> 01:50:10,812
Speaker 29: your tax return, that often it's washed up and any

2279
01:50:10,853 --> 01:50:14,412
Speaker 29: amount that you've paid over what you expected gets refunded

2280
01:50:14,452 --> 01:50:18,173
Speaker 29: to you. So it's not unusual to get taxed more

2281
01:50:18,213 --> 01:50:20,772
Speaker 29: than you expect in the final pay because it's such

2282
01:50:20,812 --> 01:50:24,852
Speaker 29: a big payment. It's not your regular fortnightly or weekly

2283
01:50:24,933 --> 01:50:25,852
Speaker 29: or monthly pay.

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01:50:26,893 --> 01:50:30,652
Speaker 2: All right, that helps, Chris Simon, you'll be our last call.

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01:50:31,333 --> 01:50:32,452
Speaker 2: What's your question for Gareth?

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01:50:33,612 --> 01:50:35,732
Speaker 30: Gooday, guys, how are you very good?

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01:50:37,133 --> 01:50:37,452
Speaker 12: Gareth?

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01:50:38,213 --> 01:50:42,452
Speaker 30: I'm currently on a salary. I'm contracted to forty hours

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01:50:42,492 --> 01:50:47,732
Speaker 30: a week, A couple of days a couple of weeks

2290
01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:52,173
Speaker 30: ago I worked a weekend. Would I be entitled to

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01:50:51,652 --> 01:50:53,932
Speaker 30: a holidays last day at Loop?

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01:50:55,812 --> 01:51:00,732
Speaker 29: No, not not unless there's something in your agreement that

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01:51:00,973 --> 01:51:05,293
Speaker 29: specifically provides for that. It's generally accepted that if you're

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01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:08,093
Speaker 29: paid a salary from time to time, you will have

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01:51:08,133 --> 01:51:11,213
Speaker 29: to work extra hours, and it really comes down to

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01:51:11,293 --> 01:51:16,732
Speaker 29: whether that's considered reasonable or not. If you work one

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01:51:16,772 --> 01:51:21,492
Speaker 29: weekend over a twelve month period, it's likely that you're

2298
01:51:21,532 --> 01:51:25,452
Speaker 29: expected to take that on the chin. If you're working

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01:51:26,572 --> 01:51:31,012
Speaker 29: one weekend every single month in addition to your normal hours,

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01:51:31,652 --> 01:51:34,452
Speaker 29: then I would certainly be taking that up with the employer.

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01:51:35,973 --> 01:51:40,492
Speaker 4: Okay, well that sucks, yeah, it does.

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01:51:40,532 --> 01:51:41,012
Speaker 25: All though.

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01:51:42,452 --> 01:51:46,452
Speaker 29: For most people, the salary does build in a little

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01:51:46,452 --> 01:51:49,052
Speaker 29: bit of fat, a little bit of cushion, and so

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01:51:49,412 --> 01:51:51,532
Speaker 29: you do get more than if you were just getting

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01:51:51,572 --> 01:51:55,732
Speaker 29: paid an hourly rate. And it's on the basis that

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01:51:55,812 --> 01:51:57,532
Speaker 29: from time to time you will have to work a

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Speaker 29: bit extra.

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Speaker 2: All right, that helps, Simon.

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01:52:00,173 --> 01:52:02,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that, Gareth. That is all the

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01:52:02,772 --> 01:52:05,372
Speaker 3: time we have. Man, it goes fast, Thank you very much. Again,

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01:52:05,412 --> 01:52:07,933
Speaker 3: we'll catch in about a month's time. We've got hundreds

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01:52:07,933 --> 01:52:11,253
Speaker 3: of teach lined up ready to go. But stay warm

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01:52:11,333 --> 01:52:11,692
Speaker 3: down there.

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01:52:12,213 --> 01:52:13,492
Speaker 29: I will do. Thanks you guys.

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01:52:13,572 --> 01:52:14,812
Speaker 2: Lovely scarf you've got on there.

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01:52:17,333 --> 01:52:19,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the skis weeked up? How the mountains

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01:52:19,652 --> 01:52:20,253
Speaker 3: looking down there?

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01:52:20,652 --> 01:52:22,733
Speaker 29: I'll tell you what. This snow is looking beautiful.

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01:52:23,133 --> 01:52:26,293
Speaker 3: Lucky bugger, you lucky bugger. Yeah, all right, Mate're seeing

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Speaker 3: about a month's time, that is, Gareth ab doenor Employment

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