1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,627 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B barrif as a. 3 00:00:13,707 --> 00:00:16,947 Speaker 2: TT draws Clark Clark, what on two. 4 00:00:18,587 --> 00:00:18,987 Speaker 3: Saws? 5 00:00:19,747 --> 00:00:22,627 Speaker 1: He found a way through to defenders and the All 6 00:00:22,627 --> 00:00:23,747 Speaker 1: Blacks have three. 7 00:00:23,787 --> 00:00:25,787 Speaker 2: It was all looking pretty rosy at that stage, wasn't it? 8 00:00:25,867 --> 00:00:28,587 Speaker 2: Twenty one nil after about fifteen minutes, but the All 9 00:00:28,587 --> 00:00:32,067 Speaker 2: Blacks eventually getting home thirty one points to twenty eight 10 00:00:32,187 --> 00:00:34,667 Speaker 2: in Sydney last night. Let's bring an All Blacks assistant 11 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:37,907 Speaker 2: coach Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for your time. You've given 12 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:41,587 Speaker 2: this one the overnight test. How do you assess last 13 00:00:41,667 --> 00:00:43,027 Speaker 2: night's game in general terms? 14 00:00:43,027 --> 00:00:48,307 Speaker 3: First of all, yeah, obviously you really you're really happy 15 00:00:48,347 --> 00:00:51,267 Speaker 3: with what we did early in the game. You know, 16 00:00:51,347 --> 00:00:53,227 Speaker 3: we were pretty accurate at what we did and then 17 00:00:53,267 --> 00:00:54,387 Speaker 3: we're able to hold on the board and put the 18 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:57,627 Speaker 3: Ausies under massive pressure, which we saw on the scoreboard. 19 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:02,107 Speaker 3: But you know, again, a little bit around the second 20 00:01:02,107 --> 00:01:05,347 Speaker 3: half around not being able to hold onto the ball 21 00:01:05,387 --> 00:01:08,387 Speaker 3: and play the right parts field and in the second 22 00:01:08,427 --> 00:01:11,707 Speaker 3: half was you know, it was something we need to 23 00:01:11,707 --> 00:01:13,067 Speaker 3: figure out and we need to make sure that we 24 00:01:13,107 --> 00:01:15,027 Speaker 3: can hold onto the ball. 25 00:01:14,027 --> 00:01:16,187 Speaker 4: So it's a bit of a spiral, isn't it. 26 00:01:16,267 --> 00:01:18,187 Speaker 3: Or we don't have the ball and the opposition give 27 00:01:18,187 --> 00:01:22,067 Speaker 3: them our half and cards are coming from that. So yeah, 28 00:01:22,067 --> 00:01:24,507 Speaker 3: it's definitely that an area we'll focus on. But at 29 00:01:24,547 --> 00:01:28,267 Speaker 3: the end of the day, pretty nicely working out of 30 00:01:28,267 --> 00:01:29,507 Speaker 3: Australia with low cup. 31 00:01:29,627 --> 00:01:33,587 Speaker 2: Indeed, the fast art Jase twenty one nil after sixteen minutes. 32 00:01:33,867 --> 00:01:35,307 Speaker 2: What do you put it down to? What was so 33 00:01:35,347 --> 00:01:36,667 Speaker 2: good in the first fifteen minutes? 34 00:01:37,907 --> 00:01:39,107 Speaker 4: Just nice and simple and accurate. 35 00:01:40,147 --> 00:01:42,067 Speaker 3: You know, we had a couple of key, key plans 36 00:01:42,107 --> 00:01:43,947 Speaker 3: around there, how we're going to take them from ship 37 00:01:44,027 --> 00:01:46,187 Speaker 3: peace and it got some real good go forward and 38 00:01:46,227 --> 00:01:48,827 Speaker 3: that early on. And again, as I said, I keep 39 00:01:48,867 --> 00:01:50,627 Speaker 3: saying the power position, but we held onto the ball 40 00:01:50,667 --> 00:01:54,147 Speaker 3: really well and eventually broke them down and I think 41 00:01:54,187 --> 00:01:56,067 Speaker 3: it was twenty one and no when then, you know, 42 00:01:56,147 --> 00:01:58,947 Speaker 3: probably could easily have been, you know, doubled up by halftime. 43 00:01:58,987 --> 00:02:00,427 Speaker 3: If we continue with that accuracy. 44 00:02:02,227 --> 00:02:05,227 Speaker 2: Does frustration start to sit in when you create opportunities 45 00:02:05,267 --> 00:02:07,907 Speaker 2: but can't execute the final part of it to finish 46 00:02:07,987 --> 00:02:08,267 Speaker 2: them off. 47 00:02:09,427 --> 00:02:11,947 Speaker 3: Oh, I suppose it just sharpens us sharpens our focus 48 00:02:12,027 --> 00:02:14,907 Speaker 3: during the weeks, you know, it's great to know that 49 00:02:14,907 --> 00:02:16,987 Speaker 3: we're creating the opportunities when we get excurate, and we 50 00:02:17,107 --> 00:02:19,267 Speaker 3: just got to make sure that we're putting the boys 51 00:02:19,267 --> 00:02:21,467 Speaker 3: in these situations during the week where they're under pressure, 52 00:02:21,507 --> 00:02:23,107 Speaker 3: but they've got to pick the right pass with the 53 00:02:23,147 --> 00:02:25,107 Speaker 3: final pass and the little things that we didn't quite 54 00:02:25,147 --> 00:02:28,147 Speaker 3: get right last night. So I wouldn't say frustration. I 55 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:31,707 Speaker 3: think it's just the sharpens your focus around what's really 56 00:02:31,747 --> 00:02:33,747 Speaker 3: important is you get sort of eight or nine games 57 00:02:33,747 --> 00:02:34,787 Speaker 3: into our season. 58 00:02:34,707 --> 00:02:37,107 Speaker 2: How do you create that pressure in a training situation? 59 00:02:38,627 --> 00:02:42,707 Speaker 3: Oh, look, there's we've got guys outside the twenty three. 60 00:02:42,747 --> 00:02:45,627 Speaker 3: You ain't getting picked who are outstanding during the week 61 00:02:45,667 --> 00:02:49,587 Speaker 3: and giving pictures or putting guys under pressure in their 62 00:02:49,587 --> 00:02:52,827 Speaker 3: training and have fifteen D fifteen. So we're getting them 63 00:02:52,867 --> 00:02:55,627 Speaker 3: during the week and it's going to make sure that 64 00:02:55,707 --> 00:02:57,827 Speaker 3: when that moment is there to pull trigger, we're pulling 65 00:02:57,867 --> 00:02:58,227 Speaker 3: the trigger. 66 00:02:58,667 --> 00:03:01,147 Speaker 2: How far away do you think you are from executing 67 00:03:01,187 --> 00:03:03,947 Speaker 2: the rugby you want to for for longer periods for 68 00:03:03,987 --> 00:03:05,307 Speaker 2: close to eighty minutes. 69 00:03:06,507 --> 00:03:11,227 Speaker 3: Look, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully this weekend. Look we you know, 70 00:03:11,307 --> 00:03:14,947 Speaker 3: we was working really hard. We're creating really good opportunities 71 00:03:14,987 --> 00:03:17,547 Speaker 3: and I think we're king the little parts and as 72 00:03:17,547 --> 00:03:19,307 Speaker 3: I say, we'll see some really good pictures in their 73 00:03:19,307 --> 00:03:21,987 Speaker 3: review this week around what it looks like when we 74 00:03:22,027 --> 00:03:23,787 Speaker 3: do finished and what are the little little bits of 75 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:27,027 Speaker 3: detail when we don't. And there's some pretty clear pictures 76 00:03:27,067 --> 00:03:29,707 Speaker 3: around just just a little bits of skill execution that 77 00:03:29,747 --> 00:03:32,507 Speaker 3: are letting us down up vital times and picking the games. 78 00:03:33,107 --> 00:03:35,267 Speaker 2: Is that is that something that you can you can 79 00:03:35,267 --> 00:03:37,987 Speaker 2: coach though? Then these are New Zealand's best players, So 80 00:03:38,027 --> 00:03:40,587 Speaker 2: are you really just asking them to be you know 81 00:03:40,907 --> 00:03:43,947 Speaker 2: clearer in their in their mindset? How how do you 82 00:03:43,627 --> 00:03:45,627 Speaker 2: see you know, get to a point where they are 83 00:03:45,667 --> 00:03:49,387 Speaker 2: doing what you what you know they can Yeah. 84 00:03:49,187 --> 00:03:52,707 Speaker 3: Look, I think it was a pretty clear it's just 85 00:03:52,787 --> 00:03:55,827 Speaker 3: around putting with a different coach, we can coach around 86 00:03:55,867 --> 00:03:57,667 Speaker 3: what we're looking for and what are the little cues 87 00:03:57,707 --> 00:04:00,187 Speaker 3: to give a pass or not give a pass or 88 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:01,987 Speaker 3: by then they were just going to make sure we're 89 00:04:01,987 --> 00:04:03,987 Speaker 3: getting lots of little skill hits and putting them under 90 00:04:04,027 --> 00:04:07,147 Speaker 3: the unstructured space where we've got to pick the right pass. 91 00:04:07,187 --> 00:04:09,307 Speaker 3: And saw three or four of those we didn't quite 92 00:04:09,947 --> 00:04:12,987 Speaker 3: catch the little pass. So little bits we will put 93 00:04:12,987 --> 00:04:17,387 Speaker 3: the boys unstructured spaces this week to to help us 94 00:04:17,387 --> 00:04:17,827 Speaker 3: execute that. 95 00:04:17,907 --> 00:04:21,067 Speaker 2: On Sudley Damien McKenzie last night, just a question about him. 96 00:04:21,067 --> 00:04:23,107 Speaker 2: There were a couple of errand passes that he threw, 97 00:04:23,147 --> 00:04:25,387 Speaker 2: but he also of course creates opportunities, which is I 98 00:04:25,667 --> 00:04:29,227 Speaker 2: guess has you know, has great superpower. If you ask him, 99 00:04:29,307 --> 00:04:31,427 Speaker 2: Jase to work on his accuracy, do you lose a 100 00:04:31,427 --> 00:04:32,667 Speaker 2: bit of his unpredictability. 101 00:04:33,827 --> 00:04:38,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like he's de max for 102 00:04:38,147 --> 00:04:41,107 Speaker 3: aware of all the all the little parts of his. 103 00:04:41,107 --> 00:04:42,267 Speaker 4: Game where he wants to get better. 104 00:04:42,307 --> 00:04:44,707 Speaker 3: But mate, and what he's creating for us as outstanding, 105 00:04:44,707 --> 00:04:47,267 Speaker 3: and some of the fast lines that are helping him, 106 00:04:47,307 --> 00:04:49,307 Speaker 3: and the looks of will Jordan run those good lines 107 00:04:49,347 --> 00:04:51,907 Speaker 3: out of the back of them are creating good space. 108 00:04:51,947 --> 00:04:55,867 Speaker 3: But you know, look, at no time do you try 109 00:04:55,867 --> 00:04:58,107 Speaker 3: and put any any player into a little box. They've 110 00:04:58,107 --> 00:05:00,027 Speaker 3: got to be who they are and just keep working 111 00:05:00,027 --> 00:05:02,707 Speaker 3: away at the little bits that are keep making them better. 112 00:05:03,347 --> 00:05:04,907 Speaker 2: Second half, even though it was called back for a 113 00:05:04,947 --> 00:05:07,707 Speaker 2: forward pass eventually, how much did you enjoy the intent 114 00:05:07,787 --> 00:05:10,347 Speaker 2: the execution of that end to end move that saw 115 00:05:10,427 --> 00:05:12,067 Speaker 2: Cortez dot down. 116 00:05:13,067 --> 00:05:15,267 Speaker 3: We love that, love that like Obviously we're driving the 117 00:05:15,307 --> 00:05:17,947 Speaker 3: boys to trigger, as I said, on on the pictures 118 00:05:17,947 --> 00:05:20,627 Speaker 3: they see and they did that perfectly and loved the 119 00:05:20,667 --> 00:05:22,787 Speaker 3: intent the boys to I think there's four or five 120 00:05:22,827 --> 00:05:25,507 Speaker 3: black jerseys next teaming up on the inside of themat 121 00:05:25,507 --> 00:05:26,267 Speaker 3: when he started that. 122 00:05:26,467 --> 00:05:28,907 Speaker 4: So that's that's what we want to play. 123 00:05:30,347 --> 00:05:32,147 Speaker 3: So it's great to see them. And as you say, 124 00:05:32,187 --> 00:05:34,467 Speaker 3: as we've talked around, we've just got to keep making 125 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:37,227 Speaker 3: sure that that last pass or the last little bit 126 00:05:37,347 --> 00:05:40,067 Speaker 3: or the last breakdown where we're winning those races and 127 00:05:40,107 --> 00:05:40,747 Speaker 3: making sure. 128 00:05:40,547 --> 00:05:41,107 Speaker 4: We finish it. 129 00:05:41,787 --> 00:05:43,627 Speaker 2: Why do you think it's been so hard to score 130 00:05:43,627 --> 00:05:44,947 Speaker 2: points in the last twenty minutes. 131 00:05:46,827 --> 00:05:51,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's a little bit of you know, well, 132 00:05:51,547 --> 00:05:53,187 Speaker 3: as I say, we'll have a look at some pictures, 133 00:05:53,187 --> 00:05:57,987 Speaker 3: but there's there's some things around in field position and 134 00:05:58,067 --> 00:06:00,747 Speaker 3: around how we hold onto the ball in those periods. 135 00:06:00,787 --> 00:06:02,947 Speaker 3: So I think what you're what you're seeing in the 136 00:06:03,027 --> 00:06:05,507 Speaker 3: last twenty or thirty minutes there of the game last 137 00:06:05,587 --> 00:06:08,827 Speaker 3: night was was us losing the ball after two or 138 00:06:08,867 --> 00:06:10,947 Speaker 3: three phases from our lineut or our scrum. You know, 139 00:06:10,987 --> 00:06:13,347 Speaker 3: we get turned over a breakdown. So just a little 140 00:06:13,387 --> 00:06:16,307 Speaker 3: things around holding on to the ball again, missing and 141 00:06:16,347 --> 00:06:18,827 Speaker 3: then we making sure we get out of our own end. Well, 142 00:06:18,947 --> 00:06:21,187 Speaker 3: you know, we we did that really well in the 143 00:06:21,267 --> 00:06:23,187 Speaker 3: first in the first half, and then second half we 144 00:06:23,347 --> 00:06:25,267 Speaker 3: just got a little bit inaccurate around how we came 145 00:06:25,307 --> 00:06:27,427 Speaker 3: out of our own end. And so it's a combination 146 00:06:27,547 --> 00:06:29,947 Speaker 3: of having the ball and making sure in the right 147 00:06:30,267 --> 00:06:30,987 Speaker 3: parts of the field. 148 00:06:31,347 --> 00:06:33,267 Speaker 2: Are you getting the impact you want from the bench? 149 00:06:35,107 --> 00:06:37,867 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I think I think we're working really hard 150 00:06:37,867 --> 00:06:39,267 Speaker 4: on you. If you look at. 151 00:06:39,147 --> 00:06:42,347 Speaker 3: Impact off the pinch last night, I thought that TJ 152 00:06:42,467 --> 00:06:44,427 Speaker 3: was unbelievable when he came off the pinch last night 153 00:06:45,307 --> 00:06:48,267 Speaker 3: in the defense of space. He you know, he saved 154 00:06:48,307 --> 00:06:51,387 Speaker 3: us a few puns last night. So there's good. 155 00:06:51,307 --> 00:06:52,827 Speaker 4: Little bits of individual off the bench. 156 00:06:52,827 --> 00:06:55,227 Speaker 3: It's it's good to see, but it's just around as 157 00:06:55,227 --> 00:06:58,347 Speaker 3: a collective making sure that we're you know, we have 158 00:06:58,427 --> 00:06:59,627 Speaker 3: the ball for long periods. 159 00:06:59,867 --> 00:07:01,387 Speaker 2: What sort of emotions are you feeling up in the 160 00:07:01,387 --> 00:07:02,747 Speaker 2: box when you go down to thirteen? 161 00:07:06,907 --> 00:07:11,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was maybe just boys, just really but 162 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:13,787 Speaker 3: on the mouth out of it there, and I was sure, 163 00:07:13,987 --> 00:07:15,627 Speaker 3: you know, we're really happy with what the boys did. 164 00:07:15,747 --> 00:07:18,027 Speaker 3: We went the under fitting, but you know that it's 165 00:07:18,187 --> 00:07:20,627 Speaker 3: an example of the are of just little things. We've 166 00:07:20,627 --> 00:07:23,907 Speaker 3: got to be smarter. You know. Caleb was awesome I thought, 167 00:07:23,987 --> 00:07:26,627 Speaker 3: and has in the game last night, But just little 168 00:07:26,627 --> 00:07:28,547 Speaker 3: things like that where you have a lets of concentration 169 00:07:28,627 --> 00:07:30,147 Speaker 3: and it puts massive pressure. 170 00:07:29,787 --> 00:07:32,947 Speaker 4: On the team. So yeah, it's not ideal go fitting. 171 00:07:33,067 --> 00:07:35,947 Speaker 3: But you know, on the other other side of it 172 00:07:35,987 --> 00:07:37,427 Speaker 3: was great. How the boys got set out. 173 00:07:37,627 --> 00:07:40,347 Speaker 2: Yeah, character building, I think they call it. Jordi Barrett 174 00:07:40,627 --> 00:07:42,467 Speaker 2: went off at halftime with the knee injury. Is he 175 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:44,627 Speaker 2: unlikely for Wellington? Jason? 176 00:07:45,907 --> 00:07:49,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it's a little media not too bad, 177 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:51,867 Speaker 3: but you're very unlikely for next. 178 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:53,987 Speaker 2: Week all right, and the wind shows up the bleeder 179 00:07:53,987 --> 00:07:56,427 Speaker 2: slow Cup. Does that give you the chance without asking 180 00:07:56,467 --> 00:07:58,307 Speaker 2: you to name the team, to tinker a bit and 181 00:07:58,347 --> 00:07:59,947 Speaker 2: give some players some minutes next weekend? 182 00:08:01,587 --> 00:08:03,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think we'll have we have that com 183 00:08:03,307 --> 00:08:06,667 Speaker 3: when we get to Wellington. You know, there has been eyes. 184 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:09,507 Speaker 3: You know, there's not much between anybody and selections, so 185 00:08:10,547 --> 00:08:11,947 Speaker 3: you know it might be an opportunity for one or 186 00:08:11,947 --> 00:08:13,187 Speaker 3: two guys to get an opportunity. 187 00:08:13,507 --> 00:08:15,307 Speaker 2: All right, we'll save travels, Jace. Look forward to seeing 188 00:08:15,307 --> 00:08:16,267 Speaker 2: you back here in the Capitol. 189 00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:17,427 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. 190 00:08:17,587 --> 00:08:20,987 Speaker 2: Thanks Jason Jason Holland there, assistant coach of the All Blacks. 191 00:08:21,347 --> 00:08:24,507 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 192 00:08:24,627 --> 00:08:27,907 Speaker 1: to news talks at B weekends from midday, or follow 193 00:08:27,947 --> 00:08:29,587 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio