1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Now there is upset at a Nazi display at a 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: museum in Canterbury. The display is at the Military Museum 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: in Geraldine and it features uniforms and equipment from the 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: first SS Panzer Division in World War Two. Deb Heart 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: is chair of the Holocaust Center. High deb Hi, what 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: is your concern here? What's your problem with this? 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: Well, our concern is basically one of context. What we 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: understand is that the Geraldine Military Museum has a display 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: of a Nazi unit that was not just any old 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: military unit. It was the armed embodiment of Nazi ideology. 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: It was the elite, an original unit of the waft 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: in SS, the personal bodyguard of Adolf Hitler. It evolved 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: into one of Nazi Germany's most infamous and brutal fighting formation, 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: formations implicated in mass murders, the Holocaust ascas of of 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: POW's and the like. And the museum seems to have 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: put this display up with very little context. Whatsoever do 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: we need context? 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the vast, vast, vast majority of us know 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Nazis are bad. What other context do you need? 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: I wish that were so, but many of us don't 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: know that at alls. Lots of people in it, particularly 22 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: in younger generations don't know this history. And all museums, 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: no matter whether they're a little museum in Geraldine or 24 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: they're a big national museum, have a responsibility to tell 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: the stories and give the context. And it really isn't 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: all that difficult to do so. And this display actually 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: offers for people to join a reenactment of the waffansis. 28 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's hard to believe what those re 29 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: enactments would be. I mean, would they be well, you know, 30 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 2: would they be mass executions or burning homes or maybe 31 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: the wormholt To massacre where this very division executed eighty 32 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: unarmed British and French POWs. You know, maybe it's you know, 33 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 2: really you do have an obligation to help people understand 34 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: what it is that they are looking at. Otherwise you 35 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: risk glorifying something that you know it was really terrible 36 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: in our history. 37 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: Have you read Douglas Murray's latest book on Democracies and 38 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: death Cults? 39 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 2: I've I've read parts of it. It's on my reading list. 40 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: For highly recommend this Christmas New Year's break talk about 41 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: ruining your sumer though, I'll tell you what I read it, right, 42 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: and the premise in the book, he tries to understand 43 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: why because he's looking at Hamas and he's trying to 44 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: understand why it is that we're seeing this rising anti 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: semitism in modern times and why people are so openly 46 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: hating on Jews all over again. I don't think actually, 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: at the end of it, I don't think he adequately 48 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: explains it. I'm interested, do you do you have an 49 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: explanation for why this is happening? 50 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: Well, anti Semitism is the longest hatred and it morphs 51 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: into different forms over time, and what we are seeing 52 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: at the moment is, you know, really morphing yet again. 53 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: And so we are seeing a startling rise and anti Semitism. 54 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: And if I can pivot back to this display, it 55 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: really is pretty unhelpful because you know, we don't learn 56 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: anything from history by by distorting it. 57 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Very good point, Dev, Thanks very much. Appreciate a deb 58 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Heart Holocaust Center Chair. 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