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Speaker 2: Hello, are you great New Zealanders. It is the twenty

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Speaker 2: first of November. It's a Tuesday, and this is Tyler's

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Speaker 2: and Matt's two hundred and fiftieth show, two one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty. You'd think we'd be getting some skills by.

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Speaker 3: Now, you'd think so. If anything, I think we'll probably regressed.

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Speaker 3: I have anywhere.

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Speaker 4: It's shoving at neutral and rolling towards Christmas three and

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Speaker 4: a half weeks Man three and a half weeks, one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty episodes. How bloody good, and it's an

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Speaker 4: excellent one.

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Speaker 2: I will say to you podcast listeners, I hope you

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Speaker 2: like Paper Roads.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm just saying. I hope you like paper Roads.

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Speaker 5: You will.

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Speaker 3: You will love Paper Roads by the end of this

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Speaker 3: pody because.

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Speaker 2: Who I started the show, I didn't know what a

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Speaker 2: paper road was. Two hours of Paper Roads later, I

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Speaker 2: am still pretty confused since.

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Speaker 3: On paper Roads. All right, great show, download, subscribe and

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Speaker 3: give us a review, give them a taste to keep.

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Speaker 6: You all right?

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Speaker 4: You seem busy? There you go, then bye, love you.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for giving us a listeners. Always without you, we don't

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Speaker 3: have a show, so we appreciate it, and we love

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Speaker 3: that you're here with us.

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Speaker 4: Get our mets. You and me could just get together

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Speaker 4: and I don't know, just talk to each other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do that often next week. That is a

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Speaker 3: good thing. We get paid when we pretty much just

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Speaker 3: do that on the show.

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Speaker 2: So when I was at around at your house having

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Speaker 2: a barbecue on Friday last week, was that the Met

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Show but just no one else listening?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I suppose it was. Yeah, thank god for that because

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Speaker 3: some of the jat.

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Speaker 4: It was actually some of the best stuff we've ever done.

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Speaker 3: I think it was. We're going to get a tape recording.

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Speaker 2: Next to there was some great topics like how poor

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Speaker 2: you are at cooking sausages.

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Speaker 3: Man Bean snapped, I mean I thought I was, And

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Speaker 3: it's so stealthily and nobody would know a good thing.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to buy those saucas anyway, somebody else

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Speaker 3: brought those ones. But just before we get to the show,

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Speaker 3: there's a request from someone in the newsroom out there.

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Speaker 4: You know him.

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Speaker 3: He's a good man, Garth Bray, former one News reporter.

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Speaker 3: He now works for Business Desk. He's on Herald now

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Speaker 3: Great New Zealander. Yeah, Great New Zealander. So I just

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Speaker 3: walked past him in the kitchen and he said, Hey,

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Speaker 3: tell him to stop putting his manky feet on social media?

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Speaker 3: And I said, I'll absolutely pass that on. So you

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Speaker 3: put your dirty old orang and tang blue no toenails

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to start an only fan and so far.

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Speaker 4: So I put that up.

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Speaker 2: Online, a shot of my foot with one of the

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Speaker 2: fear and the other one in a terrible state, and I,

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Speaker 2: you know, asked if anyone would pay for it. Yep,

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Speaker 4: Guess what. Guess how many people have offered to pay

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Speaker 4: for more shots? Of my foot?

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Speaker 3: How many?

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Speaker 2: There have been offers for people to pay, offering to

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Speaker 3: Garth is one of them actually, So yeah, just take

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Speaker 2: My partner's never been more angry at me than when

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Speaker 4: She said, it reflects badly on both of us in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, poor Tracy, my feet is so disgusting. That reflects

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Speaker 3: It does. Actually, my rankings have gone down, Tracy's rankings

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Speaker 3: very good. Right on to the show today after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: It's everywhere at the moment Black Friday. You can't two

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Speaker 4: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: But I think Black Friday savings are huge?

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's an incentive to do a Black

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Speaker 2: Friday sale. You have to put something good up. You

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So do you support Black Friday? Do you understand it?

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a good chat after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock, we want to have a chat about

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Speaker 3: paper roads. So a great story about paper roads. There

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Speaker 3: was a gentleman quoted Andy McDonald is his name. He's

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Speaker 3: uses them for hunting, tramping and fishing, and they are

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Speaker 2: So paper roads are basically roads that exist on paper,

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Speaker 2: so I'm quite interested in these. Yeah, I've never heard

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Speaker 3: We want to hear from you about your paper roads.

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Speaker 3: Some people happy, yep, very true. That is after two o'clopper.

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Speaker 3: Right now, let's have a chat about redundancy. So it

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Speaker 3: says redundancy can have a deep and impact on a

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Speaker 3: person's sense of identity. She has dealt with many redundancy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this really hit me when I was reading this story.

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Speaker 2: These people that lose their jobs and they feel such

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Speaker 2: There's people just pretend to go to work while they're

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Speaker 2: I don't think people should feel shamed for losing their

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Speaker 2: job because the company's downsized. I mean, if you've done

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Speaker 2: something terrible at work and you get booted out the door.

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Speaker 2: That's a difference situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, being fired is I think far worse.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes companies have to have to knock people off,

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Speaker 2: but not great for the people that it happens too.

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Speaker 2: So how do you approach a job loss if it's

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Speaker 2: hear all these stories where they go kickstarted a new career,

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Speaker 2: It kickstarted a new way of thinking. I would have

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: And nine, two ninety two is that text number? Love

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Speaker 3: to hear your experiences. How are you going in your

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. So how do you bounce

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Speaker 3: back from redundancy? Obviously it is something that's happened to

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Speaker 3: that you've always wanted to do. Nine two ninety two

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Speaker 4: Catherine, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about being laid off in redundancies

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Speaker 2: and such and bouncing back?

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Speaker 8: Look, it's a moment in time. You don't overthink it.

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Speaker 8: It is what it is. You don't let it define you,

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Speaker 8: and you certainly don't let it alter what your attitude is.

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Speaker 8: You know, you've really got to have a can do

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Speaker 8: attitude and look at what your skill set is and

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Speaker 8: make a fairly clear determination that by Monday I'm going

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Speaker 2: Do you how do you fight because it's inevitable no

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Speaker 2: matter how you go through the logic of it. How

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Speaker 2: very least rejected.

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Speaker 8: Look, I mean I've you know, I've been selling on

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Speaker 8: a commission basis for public thirty years. And the thing

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Speaker 8: of positivity. I've been made redundant before. In fact, that's

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Speaker 8: what's spurred me to get into my own commission selling

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Speaker 8: You know, you've got to make decisions, and you've got

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Speaker 8: to make good choices. And I mean, who cares if

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Speaker 8: Absolutely. And you know what it's taught me in my

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Speaker 4: Do you miss working with people?

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Speaker 8: People are my business?

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Speaker 8: Look, I think it depends on a number of factors.

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Speaker 6: Get over it. You know.

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Speaker 8: No, you don't have to be anything special. I'm certainly not.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think is more important when it

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Speaker 3: Every time, every time is about the relationship.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, people don't care, you know, like I don't care

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Speaker 8: You know, you're not going to look after your people.

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Speaker 2: Right, and do you mind if can you tell us

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Speaker 4: What are you selling?

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Speaker 3: Catherine, I'm in the property yes.

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Speaker 4: Right, okay, Hey, well, thanks for sharing.

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Speaker 3: You sound very good at your job, Catherine, and glad

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Speaker 2: I've only talked to you for about three minutes, and

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Speaker 3: Come on through, Oh e one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, Mike says, you constantly hear

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Speaker 1: It is the headlines and the hard questions. It's the

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Speaker 14: No, We've got very talented people. They've got a phone

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Speaker 4: It just goes sort of against what you're saying.

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Speaker 13: If people are seeking me, I'd love to stay, but

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Speaker 4: It just seems to me that we've got issues here.

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Speaker 14: It's a lot different from the insight.

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Speaker 4: Well that's why we've got you on. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: It is twenty six past one now, just before we

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to sell pies, but trying to give you

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Speaker 3: Cat, either bring them to us at NEWSTALKSZB.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, text, how we get hold of these pies.

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Speaker 3: We'll come to you. We want the pies. Get so

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Speaker 4: Yep. Tell us about the pies. Yeah, we'll come to

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Speaker 2: How can we facilitate the transfer of these pies from

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Speaker 3: This is a big thing and we're gonna we're going

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Speaker 3: But back to redundancy. How did you bounce back, Chris?

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Speaker 2: How are you yeah, you've been made redundant in the past, Chris.

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Speaker 15: Oh yeah, Look I got laid off. I say, what organization?

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Speaker 15: But I found out that they hired someone and paid

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Speaker 15: You're going to look at it that way, that helps

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Speaker 15: that's what I found was the redundancy when I got

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Speaker 16: After I was let go.

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Speaker 15: They want to cut offs. They want to tender out

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Speaker 15: Because that's why that's what I think.

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Speaker 4: Now, Chris.

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Speaker 2: When you lost this particular job that you're thinking about,

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Speaker 15: I got laid off in April, and I was working

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Speaker 15: of money. Well, I don't know if that's the case,

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Speaker 15: I mean, look, I'm doing two days a week. We're

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Speaker 2: And how are you going? How are you going about

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Speaker 15: But you can't do something you can't and you have

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Speaker 15: and that's where it all stands. You know, I just

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Speaker 2: physically look for the jobs?

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Speaker 4: Are you going to sites or seek.

443
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Speaker 15: Seeks a good website and and I'll put my application

444
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Speaker 15: through everybody, anybody, And I think employers are being a

445
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Speaker 15: bit regimon on who they hire. So maybe there's some

446
00:19:47,973 --> 00:19:51,053
Speaker 15: that are looking for bodybuilders and models, but at the

447
00:19:51,133 --> 00:19:55,573
Speaker 15: end of the day, you know, it's it could be

448
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Speaker 15: down to the people that can do the job and

449
00:19:57,653 --> 00:20:00,773
Speaker 15: have previous experience, but that's not the case anymore. It's

450
00:20:00,813 --> 00:20:03,613
Speaker 15: not like that anymore. The employment market. It's who they

451
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Speaker 15: think best fits.

452
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Speaker 2: So how many jobs do you reckon that you've envisceded

453
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Speaker 2: gated in the six months since you you were made redundant?

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Speaker 15: Chris, I've applied for many government jobs, but I think

455
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Speaker 15: what they've done is I've put them on the website

456
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Speaker 15: and I guess they're hiring when they have a vacancy

457
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Speaker 15: come up or there this well on there for show,

458
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Speaker 15: I guess. But but yeah, there's a lot of There

459
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Speaker 15: is a lot of work, but it's just which one

460
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Speaker 15: fits me, and that's what it comes down to. And

461
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Speaker 15: I'm trying my best to apply for us many jobs

462
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Speaker 15: to try and get somewhere out to help someone out,

463
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Speaker 15: even if it's you know, voluntary work, I mean, if

464
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Speaker 15: I have to, but I mean, you know, to avoid

465
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Speaker 15: most paid work. But yeah, so I am trying.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Chris, and thank you for calling. Hope

467
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Speaker 2: you go well out there in the job market, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck Chris. So e one hundred and eighty

469
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Speaker 3: teen eighty is that number to call if you've been

470
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Speaker 3: made redundant? How did you bounce back? He do you

471
00:21:01,373 --> 00:21:04,453
Speaker 3: stay positive? And how did you get back into a job?

472
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Speaker 3: And if you're still looking, still keen to hear from

473
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Speaker 3: you absolutely nineteen nine two of Tex.

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Speaker 2: Russell says, Hey, guys, losing a job through redundancy can

475
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Speaker 2: be deeply damaging to self esteem and identity. This is

476
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Speaker 2: because part of who you are is the work we do. Also,

477
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Speaker 2: being told you as a person and not necessarily is

478
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Speaker 2: the opposite of affirmation. Yeah, it's true, but you know,

479
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Speaker 2: it could be the opportunity that you need to.

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Speaker 4: Change your life up exactly.

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Speaker 2: Whatever happens, you've got to find a way to be

482
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Speaker 2: positive and move forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, headlines with railing coming up and taking more of

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Speaker 3: your calls shortly, it is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Raylean.

506
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Speaker 3: So we're talking about bouncing back from redundancy. It's happened

507
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Speaker 3: to a fear few people over the recent twelve months.

508
00:22:59,733 --> 00:23:03,413
Speaker 3: Obviously the economy is in a dire strait at the moment.

509
00:23:03,453 --> 00:23:04,813
Speaker 3: But loved how you bounce back.

510
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Speaker 2: She only says, Hi, guys, resilience like that lady was

511
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Speaker 2: talking about. I was made redundant from in New Zealand

512
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Speaker 2: during COVID. Three years later, I'm a registered nurse. Nice,

513
00:23:13,133 --> 00:23:15,533
Speaker 2: well done. Yeah, that's the sort of stories we love.

514
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Speaker 4: Katrina, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Ah.

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Speaker 6: Hi. The other.

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Speaker 10: My husband has been was made redundant earlier this year.

518
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Speaker 10: It's actually the second time he was up for redundancy,

519
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Speaker 10: which is quite stressful when you sometimes don't even know

520
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Speaker 10: if you're going to keep your job. The first time

521
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Speaker 10: he did keep his job, but the second time he

522
00:23:40,613 --> 00:23:41,133
Speaker 10: was let go.

523
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Speaker 4: What was the time frame between those what was that?

524
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Speaker 2: What was the time frame between between those two things

525
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Speaker 2: the first time time?

526
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Speaker 10: Maybe eight months?

527
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Speaker 1: That's right months?

528
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Speaker 4: That stress.

529
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but what we found great, and especially because we

530
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Speaker 10: had the first sort of go at it sort of

531
00:24:04,533 --> 00:24:06,693
Speaker 10: gave us a bit of a test run. But we

532
00:24:06,813 --> 00:24:11,533
Speaker 10: used AI. And I think I'm nearing sixty and he's

533
00:24:11,693 --> 00:24:14,733
Speaker 10: just over sixty, so you've got that sort of agism

534
00:24:14,813 --> 00:24:19,013
Speaker 10: thing going against you really hard. And his sort of job,

535
00:24:19,013 --> 00:24:21,973
Speaker 10: we actually couldn't get another job like that, and where

536
00:24:21,973 --> 00:24:25,133
Speaker 10: we lived, so we had to look further afield. But

537
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Speaker 10: we used oh well, I actually supported him using AI.

538
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Speaker 10: Like just things like cover letters, things like getting your

539
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Speaker 10: CV brushed up and making sure that it's like right

540
00:24:36,373 --> 00:24:39,173
Speaker 10: on points like those at things take a lot of time,

541
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Speaker 10: but if you can just like wake it into you know,

542
00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:47,933
Speaker 10: AI and yeah, and we actually had really good success

543
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Speaker 10: with that. We managed to get all of the applications

544
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Speaker 10: that we put in, We managed to get an interview

545
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Speaker 10: for at least and offered two or three of the jobs.

546
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Speaker 10: So wow, I just think using those sort of tools.

547
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Speaker 10: A lot of people are sort of of our age.

548
00:25:04,173 --> 00:25:06,813
Speaker 10: You're a little bit sort of hesitant about AI, but

549
00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:10,013
Speaker 10: it can actually be an amazing resource.

550
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Speaker 2: And has he found he found another job since the redundancy.

551
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so he got offered two of those, two really

552
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Speaker 10: good jobs, and we're moving back down to the South Island.

553
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: We moved from another redundancy quite a number of years

555
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:33,653
Speaker 10: ago up to Hawk's Bay, which is wonderful place to live.

556
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Speaker 10: But we're heading back down to Timor.

557
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

558
00:25:38,533 --> 00:25:39,893
Speaker 10: Yeah, And so.

559
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Speaker 4: He loses his job.

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Speaker 2: Right, there's a redundancy, so there's a bit of leeway

561
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Speaker 2: financially with the payout. But just how quickly did you

562
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Speaker 2: guys knuckle down and start applying for jobs. And what

563
00:25:51,453 --> 00:25:53,053
Speaker 2: was his mood about getting back into it.

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

565
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Speaker 10: I think first of all, we didn't get a payout,

566
00:25:57,813 --> 00:26:02,013
Speaker 10: like that's the thing with the contracts nowadays, there's very

567
00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:04,853
Speaker 10: little in the way of I think we got a month,

568
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Speaker 10: you know, I mean twenty eight days, and it's pretty

569
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:12,853
Speaker 10: standard a lot of contracts now So the first day

570
00:26:12,933 --> 00:26:16,333
Speaker 10: he was pretty down, and I just said that weekend

571
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Speaker 10: we just knuckled in. We'd already started on the CV

572
00:26:19,413 --> 00:26:23,293
Speaker 10: from the earlier run through, and we just brushed that

573
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Speaker 10: up again and straight into it because yeah, it doesn't Yeah,

574
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Speaker 10: it really helped to have something to focus on as well,

575
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Speaker 10: and you get Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He must have done very well in the interview stage

577
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Speaker 3: to be offered. Was it two or three? He got

578
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Speaker 3: offered the job and then took the one Intomaru.

579
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Speaker 4: But AI can't get him through the interview. Your AI

580
00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:46,373
Speaker 4: can get him the.

581
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Speaker 2: Interview, but I can't get him through the interview. So

582
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Speaker 2: he must have done well there, Kit Katrina.

583
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that is the thing you've got to

584
00:26:53,213 --> 00:26:55,893
Speaker 10: and I think, well, the other thing we used AAI thought,

585
00:26:55,973 --> 00:26:58,413
Speaker 10: which you say it can't get you through the interview, Well,

586
00:26:58,453 --> 00:27:01,253
Speaker 10: it actually can do a lot. A lot of prep.

587
00:27:01,373 --> 00:27:03,333
Speaker 10: We did a lot of questions, We did a lot

588
00:27:03,373 --> 00:27:07,733
Speaker 10: of mock run throughs of difficult questions for interviews.

589
00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:10,812
Speaker 4: So yeah, they asked about it.

590
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Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend the other day about him,

591
00:27:14,533 --> 00:27:16,573
Speaker 2: and he's just lost his job, and he was saying,

592
00:27:16,613 --> 00:27:19,653
Speaker 2: every interview he goes to. One of the questions in

593
00:27:19,693 --> 00:27:22,453
Speaker 2: the interview is how do you incorporate AI into what

594
00:27:22,453 --> 00:27:22,893
Speaker 2: you're doing?

595
00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:23,253
Speaker 6: Right?

596
00:27:23,573 --> 00:27:26,653
Speaker 2: And he said to me, I don't what should I say,

597
00:27:26,933 --> 00:27:29,293
Speaker 2: And I said, scheduling.

598
00:27:30,373 --> 00:27:31,413
Speaker 4: Everything everything.

599
00:27:31,573 --> 00:27:35,373
Speaker 2: I said, say, I use it to make to do

600
00:27:35,453 --> 00:27:37,773
Speaker 2: the same things, sort out my admin, make me more efficient,

601
00:27:37,853 --> 00:27:40,813
Speaker 2: get more work through, get more of the you know,

602
00:27:40,853 --> 00:27:42,813
Speaker 2: the basic stuff done so I can focus on the

603
00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:44,493
Speaker 2: key issues and moving things forward.

604
00:27:44,493 --> 00:27:45,293
Speaker 4: That's what I said to say.

605
00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:45,813
Speaker 3: Good answer.

606
00:27:46,093 --> 00:27:49,973
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, well that's what companies want to want, people

607
00:27:50,013 --> 00:27:53,773
Speaker 10: that are forward thinking. And actually that was one of

608
00:27:53,813 --> 00:27:56,373
Speaker 10: the questions they asked my husband in the job that

609
00:27:56,413 --> 00:27:59,853
Speaker 10: he took and timorrow and they said, what's your view

610
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Speaker 10: on AI? He said, love it, and they said that's

611
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Speaker 10: what we wanted to hear.

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00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:05,973
Speaker 4: Love it. It's a good answer.

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Speaker 2: And so are you are you are working, Katrina?

614
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Speaker 10: So well, I was working that he's the main breadwinner,

615
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Speaker 10: so I'm an early childhood teacher, so we have two

616
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Speaker 10: boys on the spectrum, so I don't earn anywhere there

617
00:28:22,733 --> 00:28:25,213
Speaker 10: as much as him, So I think that that weighed

618
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Speaker 10: heavily on him as well it being the main bread winner.

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Speaker 10: So just being able to support him with that process,

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Speaker 10: I think, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, it sounds like, You've got a good template

622
00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:38,093
Speaker 2: for if someone is in a relationship and their.

623
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Speaker 4: Partner loses the job.

624
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Speaker 2: Just really knuckling down and helping them with the admind

625
00:28:43,093 --> 00:28:47,693
Speaker 2: around the cavallettters, the the cvs getting in there and stuff.

626
00:28:47,773 --> 00:28:51,133
Speaker 4: Is a really good support. So bloody good on you.

627
00:28:51,213 --> 00:28:54,253
Speaker 10: Yeah, and for friends that I've done it for friends

628
00:28:54,293 --> 00:28:57,533
Speaker 10: as well. I think sometimes like I had a girlfriend

629
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Speaker 10: who was looking for a job as well, and she

630
00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:04,213
Speaker 10: had a CV, and I mean she's in her fifties

631
00:29:04,253 --> 00:29:06,213
Speaker 10: and she still had stuff from high school on there.

632
00:29:06,253 --> 00:29:10,493
Speaker 10: I'm late, and I said, look of it to me.

633
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Speaker 3: You're a good friend.

634
00:29:12,413 --> 00:29:13,573
Speaker 4: Well you might.

635
00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:16,453
Speaker 2: You might have a profession there, Tyler and I will

636
00:29:16,453 --> 00:29:18,053
Speaker 2: probably have to come and see you at some point soon,

637
00:29:18,133 --> 00:29:19,253
Speaker 2: so we'll keep your number.

638
00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:23,373
Speaker 3: Katrina. You're a great call. Thank you very much. I

639
00:29:23,453 --> 00:29:25,893
Speaker 3: had one hundred eighty ten eighty if flight Katrina and

640
00:29:25,933 --> 00:29:28,733
Speaker 3: her husband. Did you find AI helped you to scrub

641
00:29:28,813 --> 00:29:30,613
Speaker 3: up the CV or get your foot on the door?

642
00:29:30,653 --> 00:29:31,293
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you.

643
00:29:31,373 --> 00:29:33,573
Speaker 2: The six says, Honestly, in this market, I'm an employer

644
00:29:33,693 --> 00:29:36,453
Speaker 2: and I've pretty much given up on employees nowadays. Yes,

645
00:29:36,893 --> 00:29:40,853
Speaker 2: I'm sort of recognized as a lower experience trade commercial insulation,

646
00:29:40,933 --> 00:29:43,133
Speaker 2: but I would never risk my business again with an

647
00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:45,973
Speaker 2: employee only looking for subcontractors.

648
00:29:45,133 --> 00:29:48,413
Speaker 3: Now right, Wow, keep those teams coming through a nine

649
00:29:48,373 --> 00:29:51,173
Speaker 3: to two nine two. But on the sub contractor, there's

650
00:29:51,213 --> 00:29:51,653
Speaker 3: another one.

651
00:29:51,693 --> 00:29:55,013
Speaker 4: There go be a subcontractor. Lads, there's heaps of work

652
00:29:55,013 --> 00:29:56,973
Speaker 4: out there in the commercial industry.

653
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Speaker 3: Is that true? I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Tyler.

654
00:29:59,933 --> 00:30:02,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, that ghost is going to be a subcontractor. I've

655
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Speaker 4: actually got some work I need done in my house.

656
00:30:04,613 --> 00:30:06,173
Speaker 3: You don't want me. You don't want me working on

657
00:30:06,213 --> 00:30:08,733
Speaker 3: your house mate. More of a hindrance than I help.

658
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Speaker 3: I'm telling you now right at seventeen to two oh

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be afternoon to you. It is a quarter to

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Speaker 3: two and we're talking about bouncing back from redundancy on

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Speaker 3: the back of the news that fifty eight jobs have

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Speaker 3: been disestablished at North Tech. Really keen to hear how

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Speaker 3: you dealt with it, because it can be a massive

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Speaker 3: blow to a lot of people. That idea of redundancy

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Speaker 3: can impact yourself worth, you know, your identity and your jobs.

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Speaker 3: So how did you bounce back? And was it a

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Speaker 3: silver lining For a lot of people? It is that

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Speaker 3: they might not have liked the job one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: unfortunately lost the job. It sucked, but it gave them

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Speaker 3: or you motivation to do what you really wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to my friend who lost his job,

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Speaker 2: and I said to him, I says, mate, impeddimentum is there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird. Impendomentum, it's weird. And what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: That means the obstacle is the way?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so and that was great talking to Katrina before

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Speaker 2: because her partner lost a job and the obstacle was

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Speaker 2: getting a job.

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Speaker 4: So they really focused on the thing in front of them.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, you can be feeling down, you can

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Speaker 2: be feeling shame or whatever, but your path is clear.

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Speaker 4: The obstacle in the way is to get another job.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So Katrina and her husband they knuckled down and the

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Speaker 2: path was clear. That obstacle in front of them was

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Speaker 2: getting a job, so they focused their energies on that yep.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, that's something you can hold on

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Speaker 2: to that you have a clear thing that you have

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 4: To push your energies towards, which is getting another job.

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Speaker 3: It's a great strategy, and you know, because you've got

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Speaker 3: to stay positive and it's really hard for people out there. Look,

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Speaker 3: I ever mentioned yet, but I was made redundant during

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Speaker 3: the GFC in a job that I quite liked. But

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Speaker 3: it was pretty tough times and I was an a

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Speaker 3: regional job and luckily I found something within two to

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Speaker 3: three months. But it was a bit of a knock.

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Speaker 4: So were you expecting it? Were you surprised when it happened.

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Speaker 4: It was a bit of a long time coming.

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Speaker 3: I think it was about six months where they gave

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Speaker 3: your heads up that things were happening.

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Speaker 4: But then it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a roller coaster because I said, right, it's

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Speaker 3: not happening. Now things are okay. Then it was happening again,

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Speaker 3: and there was a few other jobs and rolls jumped

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Speaker 3: in lumped into that. But yeah, when it hit, I

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Speaker 3: had to go move back home.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel rejected by it or did you understand

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Speaker 2: that that was the economy at that time and this

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Speaker 2: was sort of inevitable and it wasn't really your fault.

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Speaker 2: It was just you were just you were the wrong

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Speaker 2: person at the wrong time, in the wrong place came.

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Speaker 3: I was pissed off. I was really angry. I was

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Speaker 3: angry at the company, and yeah, it was a knock

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Speaker 3: because I think it was a knock.

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Speaker 4: To my pride. How dare you you know?

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Speaker 3: I was actually yeah, I was an asset to this

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Speaker 3: company and you give me the flick everything that I've

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Speaker 3: given to you.

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Speaker 4: But I got over that pretty quick.

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Speaker 3: But I was lucky enough to, you know, fairly young

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Speaker 3: twenty four and move back in with mum. So I

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Speaker 3: actually had a place rent free, which is you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of privilege there. I know that, but Mum

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Speaker 3: gave me a bit of motivation saying you're not going

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Speaker 3: to hang around the house. I don't care what you do.

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Speaker 3: I want you looking for jobs from the hours of

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Speaker 3: eight am to four pm. If I catch you around

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Speaker 3: here just watching TV, I'll be really angry.

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Speaker 4: And fair enough to get on your mum.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's a good woman, Katrina. How are you good?

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Speaker 19: Thank you? I just wanted to mention that I was

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Speaker 19: made redundant in nineteen ninety and I had no warning.

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Speaker 19: But the company I worked for, which was insurance they

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Speaker 19: were very good, and they provided me with a counselor

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Speaker 19: to help me cope with it, and.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good for nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 19: Yes, and they also gave me people to help me

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Speaker 19: find a job. But I'm coming from the side of

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Speaker 19: being an introvert. So it's all well and good, you know,

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Speaker 19: saying that you need to get out there in that,

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Speaker 19: But if you're an introvert, that's extremely difficult to do.

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Speaker 19: I applied for over one hundred and twenty five jobs

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Speaker 19: wow to get two interviews, and I was unemployed for

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Speaker 19: eight months. I did start collecting the doll towards that

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Speaker 19: eight months mark, and I can understand how people end

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Speaker 19: up staying on the doll because my spirit was gone.

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Speaker 19: And when I went for the interviews, I was thinking,

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Speaker 19: don't get the jobs, don't get the job, because I

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Speaker 19: was completely thetys.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 19: Well, one of the jobs I applied for two jobs,

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Speaker 19: got two interviews, and the second one I smiled and

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Speaker 19: laughed at one of the comments from the interviewers, and

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Speaker 19: that got me the job. And one month after I

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Speaker 19: got that job, I got made redundant, but actunately, because

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Speaker 19: I was within government. They make you work out three months.

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Speaker 19: So I got moved to a different area. And I've

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Speaker 19: now been with Defense for thirty four years.

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Speaker 4: Oh so you've been with that's still there?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, the second year, so they go on. So there.

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Speaker 19: I think it was the day my three months was

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Speaker 19: I got told that we're keeping you on.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's so good.

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Speaker 2: How good Katrina, What a good story. And so looking

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Speaker 2: back now, it must be interesting just thinking about how

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Speaker 2: close you were to giving up, but by just keeping

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Speaker 2: on enough and just that smile, that that thirty four

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Speaker 2: years later, So yeah, I mean, thank you, Thank goodness

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Speaker 2: you didn't give up even though you felt like it.

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Speaker 19: Yes, yeah it was. It was really hard. And there's

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Speaker 19: lots of people like me out there. Not everybody is

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Speaker 19: an extrovert.

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Speaker 4: But isn't it a wonderful thing? Katrina?

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Speaker 3: I think I'd be considered mostly an introvert, maybe a

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Speaker 3: bit of extroverted. Extroverted elements.

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Speaker 4: Cutting a track on the D floor at your party

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Speaker 4: on Friday night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two rider was. But when you do something like

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Speaker 3: like Katrina, Yeah it was good dancer, wasn't I? I

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Speaker 3: saw you were just judging me in the corner. You've

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Speaker 3: got you've got some move moving, mate, But isn't it

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Speaker 3: wonderful that someone like Katrina, and you know a lot

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Speaker 3: of people out there thinking I don't know if I

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Speaker 3: can do this. I don't know I've got the skills.

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Speaker 3: But you push yourself like Katrina and put the smile

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Speaker 3: and the laugh and get something across the line. That's

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Speaker 3: a massive achievement.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff Katrina.

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Speaker 2: Hey boys, I was made redundant early this year with

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Speaker 2: a competitive job. I keep getting noose, so I took

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Speaker 2: the approach of if you can't join them, beat them

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Speaker 2: and started my own company.

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Speaker 4: Nice good man congotulations. I hope that goes well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 3: to call?

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Speaker 4: It is eight to.

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Speaker 1: Two Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty Tight, It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News DOGSB.

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Speaker 3: News DOGSBI to two. We've had a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: great teachs come through on nine to two nine two.

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Speaker 2: Heidi says, been made redundant three times in my professional

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Speaker 2: selling career now of thirty nine years. You're only as

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Speaker 2: good as your last successful sales.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Best advice is similar to your caller earlier, get up

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Speaker 2: off the canvas and box on. We even moved from

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Speaker 2: Perth for the only role I could find for eighteen months,

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Speaker 2: return to New Zealand and made redundant again. I was

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Speaker 2: a bread runner as my two girls were under three

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Speaker 2: at the time. Best advice always get a good barrister,

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Speaker 2: say no more.

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Speaker 4: Good lawyer definitely helps. Oh right, not a barista on

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Speaker 4: your Heidi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, getting back up and getting on with it.

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Speaker 2: Really resourceful people, they help themselves. Hey, guys, AI cost

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Speaker 2: me my job up to seventeen years. It's interesting because

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Speaker 2: people are saying use AI to get a job, but

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Speaker 2: other people are saying AI is taking their job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, double edhed sword.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's the same for all of us small business owners.

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Speaker 2: We technically lose our job daily. Yeah, and it's correct.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Certainly tough out there, but thank you very much everyone

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Speaker 3: who called in texts. Yeah, it's been a fantastic chat,

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Speaker 3: certainly has. But coming up after two o'clock this is fascinating.

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Speaker 3: We want to talk about paper roads, and if you

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Speaker 3: haven't heard about paper roads, we will tell you exactly

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Speaker 3: what a paper road is after two o'clock. For those

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Speaker 3: of you out there and there's a lot of you.

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Speaker 3: Have you got a paper road on your property or

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Speaker 3: you use them on a regular basis you're a hunter, tramper,

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Speaker 3: fisher person. Have you come into any issues with using

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Speaker 3: a paper road at rubs? Land owners up the wrong

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Speaker 3: way if they've got a paper road on their property

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Speaker 3: and every man and his dog tries to use it. So,

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Speaker 3: if that's you, give us a call. One hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty T and eighty is that number to call? Nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninet Two's the text New Sport on weather Fast Approaching.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Have you having a

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Speaker 3: great Tuesday afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon? It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons us talk.

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Speaker 3: Six Fast too.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 3: Have you having a great day?

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Speaker 2: Do you sort out that pie thing with kat So?

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Speaker 2: Cat was teaching us before saying I've got pies. You

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Speaker 2: want pies? She sent four pie emojis. He says, I'll

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Speaker 2: deliver you pies. Do you want pies? I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: sell pies, but I'm trying to give you lots and pies,

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Speaker 2: but you're not responding.

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Speaker 3: Did you respond, well, I haven't responded yet, but she's

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Speaker 3: still coming through. So the latest is I'll bring you

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Speaker 3: some pies tomorrow. Then the next one, what's the eddies?

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Speaker 3: I need to tixt it back? And then she did say,

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Speaker 3: think you love you? Oh Andrew did you give the

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Speaker 3: Maybe Andrew gave the address. But there's also one here

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Speaker 3: from Donnie kiddy, guys, you want some blueberries to complement the.

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Speaker 2: Pies, Donny from the Mott. I don't know where Donnie

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Speaker 2: is from. Donnie Donnie, Donny from the Mott, Donny from

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Speaker 2: the Mott. Don't be confused by the rocks that he's got.

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Speaker 2: He's still Donny, Donnie from the Mott, with his blueberries,

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Speaker 2: the best blueberries, the best blueberries in New Zealand. Donnie

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Speaker 2: from the Mott.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if that's blueberry Donnie from the Mott, we'll take

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Speaker 3: your blueberries.

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Speaker 2: He's the only person in New Zealand it's got worse

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Speaker 2: feet than me, Donnie from the Mott.

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Speaker 3: That can't be true.

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Speaker 2: He's got a hole in his foot. He's making the

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Speaker 2: best blueberries you've ever seen with a hole in his foot.

879
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Speaker 4: Donnie. Can you see him through a picture of your foot?

880
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:18,373
Speaker 2: And I'll be the judge of that, I'll show you

881
00:40:18,693 --> 00:40:21,293
Speaker 2: so if you haven't been keeping up to date with

882
00:40:21,613 --> 00:40:25,293
Speaker 2: the exciting developments on Matt and Tyler Afternoons, I posted

883
00:40:25,293 --> 00:40:28,053
Speaker 2: a picture of my post marathon running foot. Yeah, and

884
00:40:28,773 --> 00:40:32,413
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of abuse about having an orangutan toe.

885
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:36,133
Speaker 2: But Donnie from the Mott don't can be fused about

886
00:40:36,133 --> 00:40:38,573
Speaker 2: the rocks that he's got. Who's still Donnie from the

887
00:40:38,613 --> 00:40:40,493
Speaker 2: Mott sent me a picture of his foot and it

888
00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:41,293
Speaker 2: had a hole in it.

889
00:40:42,453 --> 00:40:44,533
Speaker 3: Whereabouts is this hole? And he must be at the

890
00:40:44,573 --> 00:40:45,893
Speaker 3: top of the foot. You can't have a hole in

891
00:40:45,893 --> 00:40:47,813
Speaker 3: the back, I mean, and how did he get this hole?

892
00:40:47,853 --> 00:40:49,732
Speaker 3: I've got so many questions about Donnie from the Mott.

893
00:40:50,173 --> 00:40:51,853
Speaker 4: The hole in his foot was in the middle of

894
00:40:51,893 --> 00:40:53,533
Speaker 4: his foot, And.

895
00:40:53,613 --> 00:40:56,573
Speaker 3: What's the story behind That's say Donnie from the Mott

896
00:40:56,653 --> 00:40:58,333
Speaker 3: with the blueberries with a hole in his foot.

897
00:41:00,293 --> 00:41:02,333
Speaker 4: You can sometimes just get a hole in your foot.

898
00:41:02,533 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 4: It happens.

899
00:41:04,573 --> 00:41:06,533
Speaker 3: There's a good story behind that, I'm sure. I mean,

900
00:41:06,773 --> 00:41:08,013
Speaker 3: how dangerous are blueberries?

901
00:41:08,093 --> 00:41:10,093
Speaker 4: Is my question? It happens to the best of us.

902
00:41:10,133 --> 00:41:10,853
Speaker 4: The hole in the foot.

903
00:41:11,813 --> 00:41:13,133
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm looking for this because it's

904
00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:15,493
Speaker 2: not not helpful to anyone that's listening.

905
00:41:15,933 --> 00:41:17,973
Speaker 3: Well, nothing's going to stab you're a rangutang feet. There's

906
00:41:17,973 --> 00:41:20,613
Speaker 3: too many gaps on your foot to anything to pierce through.

907
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:23,652
Speaker 2: So the answer to the question do we want blueberry scent,

908
00:41:24,533 --> 00:41:26,173
Speaker 2: the answer to that is yes. And the answer to

909
00:41:26,213 --> 00:41:28,813
Speaker 2: the question do we want pie scent as yes.

910
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 3: Yeah.

911
00:41:29,533 --> 00:41:31,213
Speaker 4: And whatever else you've got send it in.

912
00:41:31,293 --> 00:41:33,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, nine two nine two please, We'll take everything we

913
00:41:33,893 --> 00:41:34,413
Speaker 3: can get.

914
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 4: One of the perks of the job. Now I'm obsessed

915
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:37,053
Speaker 4: with this.

916
00:41:37,213 --> 00:41:38,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really want to see Donnie's foot with the

917
00:41:38,853 --> 00:41:39,253
Speaker 3: doll in it.

918
00:41:39,453 --> 00:41:42,253
Speaker 4: You know what you don't? You don't you don't actually

919
00:41:42,253 --> 00:41:43,413
Speaker 4: want to see it. I will show you it, but

920
00:41:43,453 --> 00:41:43,812
Speaker 4: you don't.

921
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:46,933
Speaker 3: Can people still go somewhere to see your your minkey foot?

922
00:41:47,053 --> 00:41:48,693
Speaker 2: No, it's come down. It was just on on my

923
00:41:48,813 --> 00:41:51,933
Speaker 2: story at man heath in Z's. You can see a

924
00:41:51,933 --> 00:41:54,853
Speaker 2: picture on my Instagram of me on the cover of

925
00:41:55,253 --> 00:41:55,933
Speaker 2: Woman's Weekly.

926
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:59,293
Speaker 3: That was nice, actually, very very nice. Yeah, I just

927
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:01,413
Speaker 3: gave it a light before. Actually that's far better than

928
00:42:01,413 --> 00:42:02,013
Speaker 3: your foot.

929
00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:06,333
Speaker 4: For Variety charity. Yeah, myself, Matilda, Rice and Leehart. It's

930
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:09,293
Speaker 4: a beautiful photo, great charity Variety charity.

931
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:12,613
Speaker 3: But anyway, anyway, we'll lose nine tracked. We're off piece

932
00:42:12,653 --> 00:42:14,573
Speaker 3: to you, Tyler, we still got any listeners. Let's have

933
00:42:14,613 --> 00:42:17,732
Speaker 3: a chat about paper roads. We've already had so many

934
00:42:17,813 --> 00:42:20,733
Speaker 3: ticks about this. So it's a story in the Herald

935
00:42:20,773 --> 00:42:22,613
Speaker 3: about the paper roads. And if you don't know what

936
00:42:22,613 --> 00:42:26,413
Speaker 3: the paper roads are. Effectively, they are roads that are

937
00:42:26,453 --> 00:42:30,133
Speaker 3: owned by the local council or the n ZTA. But

938
00:42:30,173 --> 00:42:32,853
Speaker 3: the roads that are not fully formed or maintained, a

939
00:42:32,893 --> 00:42:35,853
Speaker 3: lot of them are just on hence the name paper

940
00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:38,733
Speaker 3: so they're just on records. But many people wouldn't be

941
00:42:38,773 --> 00:42:39,893
Speaker 3: able to tell that they are a road.

942
00:42:40,653 --> 00:42:42,333
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, fell as. I have a paper road that

943
00:42:42,413 --> 00:42:44,813
Speaker 2: runs beside my property and out to a river. But

944
00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:47,493
Speaker 2: the paper road suddenly stops well before the river. My

945
00:42:47,533 --> 00:42:50,413
Speaker 2: property has river access that runs right beside the paper

946
00:42:50,493 --> 00:42:52,853
Speaker 2: road and directly out to the river over some of

947
00:42:52,893 --> 00:42:55,773
Speaker 2: my unfenced property. It's unfenced because of the amount of

948
00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:58,533
Speaker 2: times in the year that that part is flooded. The

949
00:42:58,573 --> 00:43:01,293
Speaker 2: paper road part stops at a gate before crossing onto

950
00:43:01,293 --> 00:43:04,213
Speaker 2: my property. This gate was put in back in twenty

951
00:43:04,253 --> 00:43:06,413
Speaker 2: twenty one when there was a massive flood event that

952
00:43:06,533 --> 00:43:11,093
Speaker 2: devastated my entire property and neighbors. He can and council

953
00:43:11,213 --> 00:43:14,453
Speaker 2: then got involved. He can then needed to get equipment

954
00:43:14,493 --> 00:43:15,973
Speaker 2: down to the river and then put a gate and

955
00:43:15,973 --> 00:43:17,453
Speaker 2: at the end of the paper road for.

956
00:43:17,413 --> 00:43:20,973
Speaker 4: Complete river access. But then this is complicated.

957
00:43:21,013 --> 00:43:24,373
Speaker 2: But they then made it a cross over onto my

958
00:43:24,413 --> 00:43:27,853
Speaker 2: property as well as I already had an old track

959
00:43:29,213 --> 00:43:32,212
Speaker 2: that they could see and open up more. That's where

960
00:43:32,213 --> 00:43:35,413
Speaker 2: my problems start. That's where you can he can can

961
00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 2: put a padlock on the gate where the actual paper

962
00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:40,373
Speaker 2: road stops, but didn't put any signs up making people

963
00:43:40,413 --> 00:43:43,813
Speaker 2: aware that that was where the paper road stops. I'm

964
00:43:43,813 --> 00:43:45,933
Speaker 2: more than happy to let people walk across my small

965
00:43:45,973 --> 00:43:48,013
Speaker 2: stretch of land for access, but I do draw the

966
00:43:48,053 --> 00:43:50,453
Speaker 2: line when they want to drive down as it causes

967
00:43:50,493 --> 00:43:52,812
Speaker 2: where and a tear on that part of the track.

968
00:43:52,853 --> 00:43:56,133
Speaker 2: And then they start bush bashing on my property.

969
00:43:56,453 --> 00:43:57,573
Speaker 4: This is quite a good story.

970
00:43:57,813 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 2: Next minute, they are in the middle of my property

971
00:43:59,973 --> 00:44:02,653
Speaker 2: and think this is perfect for hunting on or planting

972
00:44:02,693 --> 00:44:05,733
Speaker 2: a plot of dope. I am a small landowner, so

973
00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:08,692
Speaker 2: shooting in and around this area is a problem. That's

974
00:44:08,693 --> 00:44:10,493
Speaker 2: my massive problem at the moment. Cheers Jodi.

975
00:44:10,653 --> 00:44:12,772
Speaker 3: Wow, that is a massive problem. With the paper road.

976
00:44:13,133 --> 00:44:14,292
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on there.

977
00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:16,373
Speaker 2: There is a lot going on in paper roads. It's

978
00:44:16,373 --> 00:44:18,933
Speaker 2: going to be a great chat. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

979
00:44:18,973 --> 00:44:22,093
Speaker 2: Do you use paper roads? Do you have paper roads

980
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:24,973
Speaker 2: going through your country? Is this the first time you've

981
00:44:24,973 --> 00:44:26,093
Speaker 2: ever heard the word paper road?

982
00:44:26,173 --> 00:44:26,413
Speaker 7: Like me?

983
00:44:26,773 --> 00:44:29,613
Speaker 4: There's fifty five thousand kilometers of paper road.

984
00:44:29,973 --> 00:44:32,773
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because they were laid out so essentially

985
00:44:32,853 --> 00:44:34,973
Speaker 2: as you were saying before, Tyler, there's all these roads.

986
00:44:34,973 --> 00:44:35,692
Speaker 4: There may just be.

987
00:44:35,733 --> 00:44:39,613
Speaker 2: Two tracks, correct, And they're basically roads that have never

988
00:44:39,773 --> 00:44:41,373
Speaker 2: been developed.

989
00:44:41,533 --> 00:44:44,133
Speaker 4: They haven't been tar sealed, they managed at all, but

990
00:44:44,253 --> 00:44:45,613
Speaker 4: they are lines on the map.

991
00:44:45,733 --> 00:44:47,613
Speaker 3: Yep, it's crazy, it is. And we'll give you a

992
00:44:47,653 --> 00:44:49,493
Speaker 3: little bit more history about the paper roads. But if

993
00:44:49,533 --> 00:44:51,453
Speaker 3: you've got one on your property, how much of a

994
00:44:51,533 --> 00:44:53,813
Speaker 3: headache is it? And if you're a hunter tramper, how

995
00:44:53,853 --> 00:44:56,013
Speaker 3: often do you use these paper roads? And if you

996
00:44:56,093 --> 00:44:58,533
Speaker 3: ever run into any issues with the landowners, love to

997
00:44:58,533 --> 00:45:00,293
Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

998
00:45:00,293 --> 00:45:01,893
Speaker 3: that number to call? It's twelve bars too.

999
00:45:02,173 --> 00:45:06,733
Speaker 1: Wow. Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

1000
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:10,933
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty eighty US talk zib.

1001
00:45:12,253 --> 00:45:14,373
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon suit is a quarter past too. So

1002
00:45:14,373 --> 00:45:17,093
Speaker 3: we're talking about paper roads around New Zealand, fifty five

1003
00:45:17,213 --> 00:45:19,733
Speaker 3: thousand k's of them, and it is causing a bit

1004
00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:23,493
Speaker 3: of drama for landowners and for hunters, trampers, fisher people

1005
00:45:23,733 --> 00:45:26,692
Speaker 3: when wanting to use those paper roads. Apparently anyone can,

1006
00:45:26,853 --> 00:45:28,853
Speaker 3: but it annoys the hell out of landowners.

1007
00:45:28,933 --> 00:45:30,773
Speaker 2: And I have just shown you the picture of my

1008
00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:34,373
Speaker 2: friend Donnie Heckler's foot. Yeah, I saw it, Johnny Fan

1009
00:45:34,413 --> 00:45:36,613
Speaker 2: the mott from Mill Creek Orchard and Mochueka.

1010
00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:38,533
Speaker 3: You gave me a warning. Yeah, so it was a

1011
00:45:38,533 --> 00:45:40,813
Speaker 3: fair warning. But man, oh man, I did not expect

1012
00:45:40,813 --> 00:45:41,973
Speaker 3: that that was a massive whole.

1013
00:45:42,053 --> 00:45:43,013
Speaker 4: He's got a hole in his foot.

1014
00:45:43,013 --> 00:45:47,653
Speaker 2: He's faced a lot of adversity running as a blueberry

1015
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:50,413
Speaker 2: farm this year with the weather and stuff. But the best,

1016
00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:51,973
Speaker 2: the best blueberries this.

1017
00:45:51,853 --> 00:45:55,373
Speaker 4: Country has ever created, this world's ever created from Milk

1018
00:45:55,373 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 4: Creek Orchard anyway.

1019
00:45:57,453 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 3: Yep, and we'll take his blueberries. Donn If you're still listening, Oh,

1020
00:46:00,493 --> 00:46:02,252
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1021
00:46:02,813 --> 00:46:08,573
Speaker 2: F Yona Yeshi, guys, how are you good paper roads.

1022
00:46:09,133 --> 00:46:15,813
Speaker 20: Yeah, we've got property up in Dargable Way and the

1023
00:46:15,813 --> 00:46:20,413
Speaker 20: property backs onto Rypiero Beach, so anyone knows the area.

1024
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:26,053
Speaker 20: There's Bailey's Beach which is through popular Glink Scully is

1025
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:28,333
Speaker 20: at further south from that, and we are at further

1026
00:46:28,413 --> 00:46:32,093
Speaker 20: south again and we have a paper road track that

1027
00:46:32,213 --> 00:46:38,813
Speaker 20: runs right from a main road down to the beach,

1028
00:46:40,093 --> 00:46:43,893
Speaker 20: so it's a great access and it runs through our

1029
00:46:43,893 --> 00:46:49,653
Speaker 20: property and then alongside our property of it, so it's really.

1030
00:46:49,413 --> 00:46:49,773
Speaker 18: Great to have.

1031
00:46:50,053 --> 00:46:51,493
Speaker 20: You know, we always like to try and keep open

1032
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:53,573
Speaker 20: with everybody to use, but we are the ones that

1033
00:46:53,653 --> 00:46:55,812
Speaker 20: end up funding all of the maintenance on the road

1034
00:46:56,093 --> 00:46:59,733
Speaker 20: right and quite often the council don't maintain anything on it.

1035
00:47:00,013 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 20: So if we get a storm or there's a washout,

1036
00:47:04,533 --> 00:47:07,253
Speaker 20: we're the ones that put down some sort of drainage

1037
00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:08,732
Speaker 20: and gravel to try and make it.

1038
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:10,533
Speaker 18: Still useful for everybody there.

1039
00:47:10,573 --> 00:47:13,613
Speaker 20: We've been ten ten thousands maintaining this road.

1040
00:47:13,893 --> 00:47:16,652
Speaker 4: Good on you so that there's no obligation for you

1041
00:47:16,693 --> 00:47:17,172
Speaker 4: to do that.

1042
00:47:17,213 --> 00:47:18,853
Speaker 2: You're doing that out of the cardness of your heart

1043
00:47:18,853 --> 00:47:20,613
Speaker 2: because you think it's a it's a good thing for

1044
00:47:20,653 --> 00:47:21,212
Speaker 2: people to use.

1045
00:47:21,253 --> 00:47:22,453
Speaker 4: Because there's there's no obligation.

1046
00:47:22,533 --> 00:47:25,772
Speaker 20: Is there no no obligation at all, But yeah, there's

1047
00:47:25,773 --> 00:47:29,293
Speaker 20: lots of people use that. So there's people write their

1048
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:31,333
Speaker 20: horses down the road to the beach. There's people to

1049
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:34,053
Speaker 20: take their dogs for from the quad bike down to

1050
00:47:34,133 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 20: the beach. And the troubles they're getting is because of

1051
00:47:37,893 --> 00:47:40,172
Speaker 20: the likes of URYV to shut off to the four

1052
00:47:40,173 --> 00:47:44,053
Speaker 20: wheel drives. Now that we're getting throngs of four whel

1053
00:47:44,133 --> 00:47:48,013
Speaker 20: drive clubs coming up there, and they could be like

1054
00:47:48,173 --> 00:47:51,373
Speaker 20: a convoy of like twenty to twenty five cars, right.

1055
00:47:53,173 --> 00:47:56,773
Speaker 4: That's taking the person that's taking liberty.

1056
00:47:57,053 --> 00:47:59,493
Speaker 20: They're going down. When they come back up, they really

1057
00:47:59,533 --> 00:48:00,213
Speaker 20: eat the road up.

1058
00:48:00,853 --> 00:48:04,133
Speaker 4: And so what's what's what's the state of the road

1059
00:48:04,253 --> 00:48:06,973
Speaker 4: is it? Is it gravel, is a chipped or is

1060
00:48:06,973 --> 00:48:12,773
Speaker 4: it just a fan said yeah, right, yeah, the.

1061
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:14,293
Speaker 20: Kids who can't get up, we'll do that.

1062
00:48:14,853 --> 00:48:15,933
Speaker 21: And always needs rescuing.

1063
00:48:16,573 --> 00:48:19,893
Speaker 20: So because we're the closest house, they're come knocking on

1064
00:48:19,933 --> 00:48:24,693
Speaker 20: the door going you've got a tractor, gets stuck, boys entertaining,

1065
00:48:26,253 --> 00:48:32,293
Speaker 20: but also things like we've got areas of natural landscape

1066
00:48:32,653 --> 00:48:35,173
Speaker 20: that the council sign office nobody can do anything with,

1067
00:48:35,533 --> 00:48:38,053
Speaker 20: and so we try and keep vehicles off of there.

1068
00:48:38,413 --> 00:48:42,653
Speaker 20: And so we've put a big, rely great big log

1069
00:48:42,813 --> 00:48:45,053
Speaker 20: tree across the entrance of people don't drive on those

1070
00:48:45,053 --> 00:48:47,293
Speaker 20: particular areas, but sure enough they come along with the

1071
00:48:47,373 --> 00:48:50,853
Speaker 20: foiler drives chains and just tow them out and do.

1072
00:48:50,853 --> 00:48:51,493
Speaker 21: What they want to do.

1073
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:57,373
Speaker 2: That must that must make you that that would be frustrating,

1074
00:48:57,413 --> 00:48:59,333
Speaker 2: as you say, because you're putting all this effort and

1075
00:48:59,533 --> 00:49:03,053
Speaker 2: you're being very generous, You're you're making it available for people,

1076
00:49:03,773 --> 00:49:06,933
Speaker 2: and then people take the money and take advantage.

1077
00:49:07,893 --> 00:49:11,253
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, and it is. They just frustrating when you

1078
00:49:11,253 --> 00:49:14,413
Speaker 20: get the big, the massive four wheel driver and international

1079
00:49:15,373 --> 00:49:20,533
Speaker 20: drivers too down by twenty five cars queued up down

1080
00:49:20,573 --> 00:49:22,973
Speaker 20: the track, and you know other people are trying to

1081
00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:25,613
Speaker 20: use it as well, just you know, locals or somebody

1082
00:49:25,973 --> 00:49:27,493
Speaker 20: to trying to do a dog walk or something. You

1083
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:30,812
Speaker 20: can't get through all these four whel drivers are sitting

1084
00:49:30,813 --> 00:49:32,693
Speaker 20: there in their vehicles.

1085
00:49:32,733 --> 00:49:37,212
Speaker 4: So we might have just lost Fiona. She's just taken

1086
00:49:37,253 --> 00:49:39,933
Speaker 4: down by big brick drivel.

1087
00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:42,493
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Fida, Hopefully we get you there we go,

1088
00:49:42,573 --> 00:49:43,173
Speaker 3: you're back.

1089
00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:44,773
Speaker 14: Now.

1090
00:49:44,933 --> 00:49:47,053
Speaker 3: Hopefully you can still hear me, Fiona. So is there

1091
00:49:47,053 --> 00:49:49,373
Speaker 3: anything you guys can do as the council said anything.

1092
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:51,652
Speaker 3: Obviously they legally own it, but they do nothing with it.

1093
00:49:52,733 --> 00:49:55,213
Speaker 20: No, they do nothing with it. So they maintain the

1094
00:49:55,293 --> 00:50:00,652
Speaker 20: road for the first like ten meters and then it

1095
00:50:00,693 --> 00:50:03,732
Speaker 20: goes for like four or five kilometers after that, which

1096
00:50:03,733 --> 00:50:04,373
Speaker 20: they don't touch.

1097
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:08,093
Speaker 2: What would happen if you just stop maintaining it or

1098
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,732
Speaker 2: you decided it was too much for you with these

1099
00:50:10,733 --> 00:50:13,253
Speaker 2: convoys of four whel drives and you just put a

1100
00:50:13,293 --> 00:50:15,893
Speaker 2: gate up, or or you blocked it off. What would

1101
00:50:15,893 --> 00:50:17,692
Speaker 2: happen to you then? Would the would the council come

1102
00:50:17,693 --> 00:50:20,093
Speaker 2: out and remove that or well?

1103
00:50:20,133 --> 00:50:20,573
Speaker 12: I don't know.

1104
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:23,373
Speaker 20: Actually I'd hate to be that sort of personalized that

1105
00:50:23,373 --> 00:50:24,652
Speaker 20: would say that's that.

1106
00:50:24,733 --> 00:50:25,413
Speaker 18: You can't use the.

1107
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:27,293
Speaker 11: God.

1108
00:50:27,333 --> 00:50:28,493
Speaker 18: That's a key we thing to do.

1109
00:50:28,533 --> 00:50:32,533
Speaker 20: I think to have access to these places that in

1110
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:34,733
Speaker 20: other countries you know, they wouldn't let you do because

1111
00:50:34,733 --> 00:50:37,653
Speaker 20: of you get food or something. But I think it's

1112
00:50:37,693 --> 00:50:39,573
Speaker 20: a lot more humans in a way to okay, you

1113
00:50:39,613 --> 00:50:41,333
Speaker 20: can use it. We're just try and be respectful, but

1114
00:50:41,813 --> 00:50:47,653
Speaker 20: you always get the odd idiots. Yeah, well you'll keeping it, keep.

1115
00:50:47,493 --> 00:50:51,933
Speaker 2: It open, and you guys are great New Zealanders. Do

1116
00:50:51,933 --> 00:50:55,813
Speaker 2: you put up any signs like please be respectful? Of

1117
00:50:56,373 --> 00:50:59,693
Speaker 2: our road, and don't be a dickhead when you're in here.

1118
00:51:00,693 --> 00:51:03,732
Speaker 20: We have people coming back up the track. We'll actually

1119
00:51:03,773 --> 00:51:05,732
Speaker 20: said to them, please don't use this track to come

1120
00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:08,293
Speaker 20: back up with maintenance on this road as privately funds

1121
00:51:10,253 --> 00:51:13,973
Speaker 20: and they can go along the beach another ten kilometers

1122
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:16,933
Speaker 20: and get an easy access up from there so they

1123
00:51:16,933 --> 00:51:18,573
Speaker 20: don't have to use our road to go back up.

1124
00:51:18,733 --> 00:51:20,293
Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned, you know, you're on a farm, you're

1125
00:51:20,293 --> 00:51:22,813
Speaker 2: pretty busy. You know, you've got a lot on How

1126
00:51:22,893 --> 00:51:25,093
Speaker 2: much of your time and resources do you spend on

1127
00:51:25,133 --> 00:51:28,773
Speaker 2: this paper road that's just been arbitrarily shoved through your property,

1128
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:31,133
Speaker 2: you know, maybe in eighteen sixty or something.

1129
00:51:31,893 --> 00:51:36,333
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean we were spending a couple

1130
00:51:36,333 --> 00:51:39,533
Speaker 12: of full days a year over summer time just trying

1131
00:51:39,573 --> 00:51:43,173
Speaker 12: to maintain it. And if we've had a big form,

1132
00:51:43,173 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 12: what's something like that, then we've got to go down

1133
00:51:45,133 --> 00:51:47,533
Speaker 12: and maintain it. And if I put a post up

1134
00:51:47,533 --> 00:51:49,533
Speaker 12: on the local community page and please don't use the

1135
00:51:49,573 --> 00:51:53,733
Speaker 12: track it's really monthed after a storm, then the locals

1136
00:51:53,773 --> 00:51:57,813
Speaker 12: just see it as sport and get out there for driving. No, no,

1137
00:51:57,933 --> 00:51:59,533
Speaker 12: we can conquer that. Better's break fun.

1138
00:51:59,613 --> 00:52:02,533
Speaker 3: Idiots, They deserve to be stuck. There's a good text

1139
00:52:02,573 --> 00:52:04,413
Speaker 3: here for you own it. Sees it sounds like a

1140
00:52:04,453 --> 00:52:07,173
Speaker 3: business plan towing out cars at one hundred bucks apot.

1141
00:52:07,333 --> 00:52:10,493
Speaker 3: It's not a silly idea.

1142
00:52:11,053 --> 00:52:13,333
Speaker 12: Yeah that too.

1143
00:52:13,533 --> 00:52:15,773
Speaker 2: Chop up, chop up the track, make it's steeper and

1144
00:52:15,773 --> 00:52:17,613
Speaker 2: then charge them to get out. Thank you so much, Fiona,

1145
00:52:17,653 --> 00:52:20,013
Speaker 2: and good on you guys. That's that's awesome that you

1146
00:52:20,053 --> 00:52:22,652
Speaker 2: go through all that out of the kindness of your heart.

1147
00:52:22,653 --> 00:52:24,133
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that. And just to make

1148
00:52:24,173 --> 00:52:27,053
Speaker 2: other people's lives better. That's that's a definition of great

1149
00:52:27,053 --> 00:52:29,653
Speaker 2: New Zealand. It's good on your Fiona. I appreciate your call.

1150
00:52:29,853 --> 00:52:32,373
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1151
00:52:32,413 --> 00:52:34,773
Speaker 3: if you're facing something similar like Fiona, you've got a

1152
00:52:34,813 --> 00:52:37,973
Speaker 3: paper road on your property, or you've come into some

1153
00:52:38,093 --> 00:52:40,172
Speaker 3: hassles when you've tried to use one love to hear

1154
00:52:40,173 --> 00:52:40,453
Speaker 3: from you.

1155
00:52:40,613 --> 00:52:42,732
Speaker 4: Yeah. And if you use paper roads that are through

1156
00:52:42,773 --> 00:52:45,653
Speaker 4: other people's property, are you respectful? Yeah? Or you're just

1157
00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:47,573
Speaker 4: chopping it up and using it as a challenge when

1158
00:52:47,573 --> 00:52:49,573
Speaker 4: you see it on the community page, Yeah, go on,

1159
00:52:49,693 --> 00:52:50,253
Speaker 4: mount it up.

1160
00:52:50,613 --> 00:52:51,893
Speaker 3: It is twenty three past two.

1161
00:52:55,933 --> 00:52:59,613
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred eighty

1162
00:52:59,693 --> 00:53:01,533
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1163
00:53:01,653 --> 00:53:04,173
Speaker 3: Twenty five past two, and we're talking about paper roads

1164
00:53:04,213 --> 00:53:06,813
Speaker 3: around the country. If you're a landowner with a paper

1165
00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:09,013
Speaker 3: road on your property, how's it going?

1166
00:53:09,253 --> 00:53:11,013
Speaker 4: I had one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number?

1167
00:53:11,053 --> 00:53:13,652
Speaker 4: There's bloody fifty five killing me.

1168
00:53:13,813 --> 00:53:17,573
Speaker 2: Fifty five thousand, five thousands better than fifty five fifty

1169
00:53:17,613 --> 00:53:20,093
Speaker 2: five thousand kilometers of paper roads in New Zealand. So

1170
00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:23,173
Speaker 2: they're not up keeped by any agency. They just tracks

1171
00:53:23,213 --> 00:53:26,133
Speaker 2: through people's land. Hey guys, great show again today. I

1172
00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:30,172
Speaker 2: own a sixty acre beach and bush block on a

1173
00:53:30,173 --> 00:53:32,693
Speaker 2: Great Barrier Island, the oldest land served aid in the

1174
00:53:32,733 --> 00:53:35,973
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. There was no quantity surveyor in New Zealand,

1175
00:53:36,013 --> 00:53:37,893
Speaker 2: so they chopped it up on paper in the UK

1176
00:53:38,053 --> 00:53:40,853
Speaker 2: as though it was a flat wow put the roads

1177
00:53:40,893 --> 00:53:43,573
Speaker 2: on the ridge lines impossible to make or keep too.

1178
00:53:43,893 --> 00:53:46,373
Speaker 2: And they ever bought an adjoining block that the paper

1179
00:53:46,453 --> 00:53:50,293
Speaker 2: road was ten yards off. That made one and trespassed

1180
00:53:50,293 --> 00:53:53,533
Speaker 2: over ten of us getting home. What I was charged

1181
00:53:53,533 --> 00:53:55,893
Speaker 2: and confected of tresfast just by trying to get home

1182
00:53:55,893 --> 00:53:57,173
Speaker 2: to my children on my bike.

1183
00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:01,733
Speaker 4: Crazy. That is crazy. Sounds like a dirkhead of a neighbor.

1184
00:54:02,853 --> 00:54:04,652
Speaker 3: I had one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got

1185
00:54:04,693 --> 00:54:09,253
Speaker 3: a paper road story, b welcome.

1186
00:54:08,853 --> 00:54:09,373
Speaker 4: To the show.

1187
00:54:10,693 --> 00:54:15,692
Speaker 18: Here you going, guys, Hey, this one's a doozy. On

1188
00:54:15,813 --> 00:54:21,293
Speaker 18: Napier Hill. There's a place called Keviner Road. Okay, you go.

1189
00:54:22,773 --> 00:54:26,373
Speaker 18: You go along Cavaner Road, which is around about three

1190
00:54:26,413 --> 00:54:31,333
Speaker 18: hundred meters long, and then it comes to a sort

1191
00:54:31,333 --> 00:54:37,133
Speaker 18: of a wire fence. But the paper road goes off

1192
00:54:37,213 --> 00:54:40,732
Speaker 18: the cliff, which is about one hundred meters, comes down,

1193
00:54:41,013 --> 00:54:44,293
Speaker 18: would land land on the houses down below, and goes

1194
00:54:44,333 --> 00:54:50,773
Speaker 18: out to Carlisle Street. Honestly, if someone was actually reading

1195
00:54:50,773 --> 00:54:52,732
Speaker 18: a map and just says no, no, we go through,

1196
00:54:53,933 --> 00:54:55,293
Speaker 18: it would make the news.

1197
00:54:55,693 --> 00:54:58,333
Speaker 2: So this must be a similar situation to that text

1198
00:54:58,333 --> 00:55:00,933
Speaker 2: I just read out where this was that paper road

1199
00:55:01,093 --> 00:55:04,093
Speaker 2: was laid down from a map without any thought of

1200
00:55:04,133 --> 00:55:06,213
Speaker 2: topography from the other side of the world.

1201
00:55:07,773 --> 00:55:12,253
Speaker 18: Yeah, well that's a minimum, because honestly, you're on that cliff,

1202
00:55:12,293 --> 00:55:14,253
Speaker 18: you're steering down. This last thing you want to do

1203
00:55:14,333 --> 00:55:14,973
Speaker 18: is drive off.

1204
00:55:14,893 --> 00:55:20,253
Speaker 2: It, honestly, But sometimes people get put on paper roads

1205
00:55:20,293 --> 00:55:22,173
Speaker 2: by the GPS.

1206
00:55:22,213 --> 00:55:22,773
Speaker 4: Don't they.

1207
00:55:23,093 --> 00:55:25,333
Speaker 2: So someone's something, you know, especially back in the day

1208
00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:28,373
Speaker 2: with the you know when when before the phones were

1209
00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:32,613
Speaker 2: involved in their updating stuff. People on navman's I was

1210
00:55:32,613 --> 00:55:36,333
Speaker 2: going over to Ekero and I just followed a I

1211
00:55:36,373 --> 00:55:37,693
Speaker 2: saw this road and I was like, oh, this is

1212
00:55:37,773 --> 00:55:40,613
Speaker 2: really quick way to get over to Ekoa. And then

1213
00:55:40,653 --> 00:55:42,853
Speaker 2: I ended up just on a paper road, just growing

1214
00:55:42,853 --> 00:55:45,773
Speaker 2: through someone's property and some tracks. So there are idiots

1215
00:55:45,813 --> 00:55:47,773
Speaker 2: like me that might they might just follow that road

1216
00:55:47,813 --> 00:55:48,453
Speaker 2: over the edge.

1217
00:55:49,373 --> 00:55:51,853
Speaker 18: Yeah, but to be honest, the person that wrote this

1218
00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:55,773
Speaker 18: map or drew this map up in England would probably

1219
00:55:55,813 --> 00:55:59,813
Speaker 18: read about the person going over the cliff following his

1220
00:55:59,973 --> 00:56:04,173
Speaker 18: road worldwide because it's definitely make the news.

1221
00:56:04,253 --> 00:56:04,453
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1222
00:56:04,493 --> 00:56:06,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, although that person that drive that map might

1223
00:56:06,853 --> 00:56:09,893
Speaker 2: have died one hundred and fifty years ago.

1224
00:56:09,853 --> 00:56:13,013
Speaker 3: They'll be laughing in their grave. Made Bruce, thank you

1225
00:56:13,013 --> 00:56:15,652
Speaker 3: if you called Bruce. Appreciate that. Jo Han Bruce.

1226
00:56:16,093 --> 00:56:17,573
Speaker 2: Do you do you ever drive up that road and

1227
00:56:17,613 --> 00:56:19,973
Speaker 2: then you know, is there any use in it up

1228
00:56:20,053 --> 00:56:22,053
Speaker 2: until the point that goes off into a sheer face?

1229
00:56:22,973 --> 00:56:25,453
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, there's a whole lot of houses on both sides.

1230
00:56:25,493 --> 00:56:28,253
Speaker 18: I used to live on the house right at the end.

1231
00:56:28,453 --> 00:56:31,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, and.

1232
00:56:30,573 --> 00:56:32,373
Speaker 18: We could be able to appear on the deck. Expect

1233
00:56:32,373 --> 00:56:34,173
Speaker 18: your son guad just to go.

1234
00:56:34,933 --> 00:56:36,733
Speaker 3: And no one gave it a go. No one got close.

1235
00:56:38,253 --> 00:56:40,893
Speaker 18: Well no, but there are some idiots out there would

1236
00:56:40,893 --> 00:56:41,493
Speaker 18: probably give it a go.

1237
00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:45,333
Speaker 2: They definitely are. That's that's that's for sure. Thanks for corning,

1238
00:56:45,893 --> 00:56:50,293
Speaker 2: Bruce boys. The adjoining land landowners can have free grazing

1239
00:56:50,413 --> 00:56:52,893
Speaker 2: of paper roads and they don't pay rates for that land.

1240
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:56,453
Speaker 2: To control outsiders placed lock gates with a sign stating

1241
00:56:56,493 --> 00:56:59,213
Speaker 2: the landowners contact details for excess Jeers Charlie.

1242
00:56:59,293 --> 00:57:01,573
Speaker 3: But apparently you can't, No, you can't put a gate

1243
00:57:01,613 --> 00:57:03,653
Speaker 3: because there was a story in this article of a

1244
00:57:03,693 --> 00:57:08,133
Speaker 3: great New Zealander down in Dunedin Upper y Tati. So

1245
00:57:08,373 --> 00:57:10,693
Speaker 3: he's got a paper road running through two blocks of lands.

1246
00:57:10,933 --> 00:57:14,293
Speaker 3: His name's Mark Spencer. But the problem he's got is

1247
00:57:14,293 --> 00:57:16,333
Speaker 3: when he's trying to move cattle across that paper road,

1248
00:57:16,373 --> 00:57:19,413
Speaker 3: they escape onto the highway. So he wanted to put

1249
00:57:19,453 --> 00:57:21,133
Speaker 3: up a gate at the end of the paper road

1250
00:57:21,173 --> 00:57:23,013
Speaker 3: before it gets to the highway, so when he's moving

1251
00:57:23,053 --> 00:57:25,653
Speaker 3: the kettle, they don't jump onto the main road, you know, And.

1252
00:57:25,613 --> 00:57:26,453
Speaker 4: He's not allowed to do that.

1253
00:57:26,613 --> 00:57:30,373
Speaker 3: No, he tried, and the neighbor got a bit, got

1254
00:57:30,373 --> 00:57:32,813
Speaker 3: a bit shitty with him and told the council and

1255
00:57:33,173 --> 00:57:35,173
Speaker 3: they see, you're going to leave that gate open. So

1256
00:57:35,213 --> 00:57:37,493
Speaker 3: now he's got Now he's gots running the muck.

1257
00:57:38,013 --> 00:57:40,533
Speaker 2: People want to use the paper road for free going

1258
00:57:40,573 --> 00:57:43,253
Speaker 2: across someone's land, but they can't be bother getting out

1259
00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:45,893
Speaker 2: open and shut a gate or I mean, that's ridiculous

1260
00:57:46,333 --> 00:57:48,653
Speaker 2: if it's going to stop cattle getting out and it's

1261
00:57:48,653 --> 00:57:52,533
Speaker 2: through someone's property already, they're letting someone drive through their property, right,

1262
00:57:52,853 --> 00:57:53,973
Speaker 2: which is good on them.

1263
00:57:54,053 --> 00:57:56,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they have to, but good on them.

1264
00:57:56,253 --> 00:57:56,453
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1265
00:57:56,653 --> 00:57:59,213
Speaker 2: And you know if you have people like we're talking

1266
00:57:59,213 --> 00:58:02,773
Speaker 2: to before, Fiona, who's up keeping that road, but you've

1267
00:58:02,773 --> 00:58:04,533
Speaker 2: got to let them have a gate so they can

1268
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:05,733
Speaker 2: stop the cattle getting out.

1269
00:58:05,813 --> 00:58:07,813
Speaker 3: Come on, I'll just read a bit more so Spencer.

1270
00:58:07,973 --> 00:58:10,613
Speaker 3: He put those gates Mark Spencer and the neighbor disputed

1271
00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:13,213
Speaker 3: the move. The issue ended up in court Spencer loss.

1272
00:58:13,213 --> 00:58:16,853
Speaker 3: So the gates have to stay permanently open. Here's the quote.

1273
00:58:17,173 --> 00:58:18,853
Speaker 3: Annie and I tried moving the cows the other day

1274
00:58:18,853 --> 00:58:20,613
Speaker 3: and they bolted as they do, and hit it off

1275
00:58:20,653 --> 00:58:22,413
Speaker 3: down the road. It's a night here trying to get

1276
00:58:22,453 --> 00:58:24,813
Speaker 3: past a herd of cows when they're on the trot

1277
00:58:24,813 --> 00:58:27,173
Speaker 3: down a narrow road. As I'm sure you can imagine,

1278
00:58:27,493 --> 00:58:28,853
Speaker 3: this is a nice quote for him at the end.

1279
00:58:28,853 --> 00:58:31,173
Speaker 3: I'm a builder, I'm a farmer. I deal with practicality,

1280
00:58:31,213 --> 00:58:33,213
Speaker 3: logic and common sense. I haven't got time to piss

1281
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:35,933
Speaker 3: around with bloody gates. It should be simple and straightforward,

1282
00:58:35,933 --> 00:58:36,253
Speaker 3: but it's not.

1283
00:58:38,213 --> 00:58:39,493
Speaker 4: If the counsel is going to put that, they should

1284
00:58:39,493 --> 00:58:40,973
Speaker 4: at least come in and put a kettle grate down.

1285
00:58:41,133 --> 00:58:41,773
Speaker 4: Kettle grid, you.

1286
00:58:41,773 --> 00:58:44,533
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah, I mean, just help out poor old Mark.

1287
00:58:44,573 --> 00:58:46,493
Speaker 3: And you can't have you can't have cows running down

1288
00:58:46,493 --> 00:58:48,893
Speaker 3: the road. Just let them close the blooming gate. I mean,

1289
00:58:48,933 --> 00:58:52,013
Speaker 3: how hard is it? Yeah, there's the precious people out there, and.

1290
00:58:51,933 --> 00:58:54,373
Speaker 2: Just get out of your bloody car, your lazy bastards,

1291
00:58:54,373 --> 00:58:55,253
Speaker 2: and open the gate and then.

1292
00:58:55,173 --> 00:58:57,773
Speaker 3: Close the Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1293
00:58:57,813 --> 00:58:59,613
Speaker 3: the number to call. If you've got a paper road

1294
00:58:59,613 --> 00:59:01,573
Speaker 3: on your property, how's it going? And if you're a

1295
00:59:01,653 --> 00:59:04,773
Speaker 3: hunter or tramper or fisher person, how often do you

1296
00:59:04,853 --> 00:59:07,133
Speaker 3: use these paper roads to get to the spot that

1297
00:59:07,173 --> 00:59:07,533
Speaker 3: you love?

1298
00:59:07,773 --> 00:59:07,973
Speaker 4: Really?

1299
00:59:07,973 --> 00:59:10,133
Speaker 3: Can you hear from new headlines with Raylene coming.

1300
00:59:10,013 --> 00:59:16,053
Speaker 17: Up US talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis

1301
00:59:16,133 --> 00:59:19,613
Speaker 17: It's no trouble with a Blue bubble. Winston Peters is

1302
00:59:19,693 --> 00:59:22,933
Speaker 17: taking a cracket Labor after it invited him to support

1303
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:27,533
Speaker 17: their bill to abolish the contentious Regulatory Standards Act. Peters

1304
00:59:27,573 --> 00:59:30,693
Speaker 17: recently promised his party would campaign on scrapping the Act,

1305
00:59:31,093 --> 00:59:34,253
Speaker 17: but is now accusing Labor of using the issue as

1306
00:59:34,253 --> 00:59:39,773
Speaker 17: a political football. Fonterra's fore warning farmers falling global dairy

1307
00:59:39,813 --> 00:59:43,013
Speaker 17: prices could hit their bottom lines after cutting its seasonal

1308
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Speaker 17: farmgate milk payout forecast. Police are investigating a fraud complaint

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Speaker 17: over a motorcycle event claiming to be a charity fundraiser

1310
00:59:52,373 --> 00:59:55,973
Speaker 17: for Hart Kids, New Zealand. Meanwhile, police have arrested two

1311
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Speaker 17: more men in relation to the suspected homicide of why

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00:59:59,093 --> 01:00:02,853
Speaker 17: can I forty five year old Michael Kenneth Tofts. There

1313
01:00:02,853 --> 01:00:07,093
Speaker 17: are now five charged with wounding with intent. A christ

1314
01:00:07,173 --> 01:00:11,253
Speaker 17: chief has four months community detention for inappropriate touching and

1315
01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:14,533
Speaker 17: comments to fourteen staff at the restaurant where he works,

1316
01:00:14,933 --> 01:00:17,893
Speaker 17: as well as paying it's victim one thousand dollars reparation

1317
01:00:19,013 --> 01:00:22,533
Speaker 17: and cheeky lesson and aging and body confidence. You can

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01:00:22,573 --> 01:00:25,013
Speaker 17: see the full column at ends at Herald Premium not

1319
01:00:25,133 --> 01:00:26,893
Speaker 17: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we are talking

1321
01:00:29,973 --> 01:00:31,373
Speaker 3: about paper roads.

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01:00:31,373 --> 01:00:32,973
Speaker 4: Have you got one on your property? How is it

1323
01:00:33,013 --> 01:00:33,733
Speaker 4: going for you?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty as a number

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Speaker 3: to call?

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01:00:35,973 --> 01:00:36,693
Speaker 4: Hello? Are you too?

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01:00:36,773 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 2: Just walking in and out of the house, and keep

1329
01:00:38,293 --> 01:00:40,933
Speaker 2: thinking of that song paper roses, Well, hearing's not the

1330
01:00:40,933 --> 01:00:42,813
Speaker 2: best Chris, what are you talking about?

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01:00:43,133 --> 01:00:59,893
Speaker 22: So this song Marie osmondom, that's lovely, Oh beautiful.

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01:01:02,253 --> 01:01:03,493
Speaker 4: There you go, Maria Osmond.

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01:01:03,693 --> 01:01:03,893
Speaker 9: Gee.

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01:01:03,973 --> 01:01:05,613
Speaker 4: She had good teeth and she.

1335
01:01:05,573 --> 01:01:07,853
Speaker 3: Had great teeth. Yeah, great family.

1336
01:01:08,333 --> 01:01:13,933
Speaker 4: Sure you've got a farm, you've got paper paper road problems?

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01:01:14,653 --> 01:01:19,413
Speaker 21: Yeah, we have had over the years, mostly with hunters, right,

1338
01:01:19,453 --> 01:01:25,213
Speaker 21: who use the old you can't stop us excuse, and

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01:01:25,253 --> 01:01:29,453
Speaker 21: then they bring in take dogs and several several occasions

1340
01:01:29,613 --> 01:01:32,693
Speaker 21: are the dogs of mould sheep and lots of them

1341
01:01:32,773 --> 01:01:36,853
Speaker 21: thousands of dollars worth. Wow, and you don't get paid

1342
01:01:37,493 --> 01:01:40,013
Speaker 21: what they're worth by insurance. You get a little bit,

1343
01:01:40,093 --> 01:01:45,013
Speaker 21: but not not the full loss that you take. And yeah,

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01:01:45,133 --> 01:01:48,333
Speaker 21: sometimes it just about comes to blows. Try and explain

1345
01:01:48,413 --> 01:01:50,773
Speaker 21: to them, because yeah, they don't.

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01:01:50,813 --> 01:01:51,453
Speaker 18: They don't care.

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01:01:52,093 --> 01:01:55,413
Speaker 2: So so when they're using the paper road, they're going

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01:01:55,453 --> 01:01:57,613
Speaker 2: somewhere else though. They can't use the paper road to

1349
01:01:57,693 --> 01:01:59,373
Speaker 2: hunt on your property, can they see it.

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01:02:00,213 --> 01:02:04,173
Speaker 3: That's what they try to do, right right, Well, that's.

1351
01:02:04,053 --> 01:02:05,853
Speaker 2: So, that's that's that's another thing. It's one thing to

1352
01:02:05,933 --> 01:02:07,813
Speaker 2: have a paper road across your property. It's another thing

1353
01:02:07,813 --> 01:02:10,093
Speaker 2: where someone lives halfway up it and then releases their

1354
01:02:10,093 --> 01:02:12,453
Speaker 2: pig dogs out on your on your livestock.

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01:02:13,893 --> 01:02:16,933
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, they use it. I suppose they use it

1356
01:02:16,973 --> 01:02:18,813
Speaker 21: for a tool to poach m.

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01:02:20,693 --> 01:02:24,093
Speaker 2: So you think that it's a scam like so that

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01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:26,813
Speaker 2: they are actually going after the livestock as opposed to.

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Speaker 21: No, no, they're not going after the live stock. They're

1360
01:02:29,453 --> 01:02:32,613
Speaker 21: going after hunting, hunting pigs and things like that. It's

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Speaker 21: just unfortunate that the dogs, yeah, aren't not proof.

1362
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Speaker 6: So, yeah, they.

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01:02:37,813 --> 01:02:40,533
Speaker 21: Accidentally go in mol sheets because it's fun.

1364
01:02:41,693 --> 01:02:44,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, where you're well within your right as a

1365
01:02:44,133 --> 01:02:45,933
Speaker 3: farmer to shoot those dogs if you see them coming

1366
01:02:45,973 --> 01:02:46,613
Speaker 3: on to your property.

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01:02:47,533 --> 01:02:50,293
Speaker 21: Yeah, problem is sometimes we don't we don't know until

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01:02:50,333 --> 01:02:50,893
Speaker 21: the next day.

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Speaker 2: It's the weekend, yeah, right now, and it, it would

1370
01:02:54,413 --> 01:02:57,453
Speaker 2: be very hard to find out which particular hunter did that.

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01:02:57,653 --> 01:02:59,973
Speaker 4: So so the insurance yeah, because because I.

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01:02:59,933 --> 01:03:02,653
Speaker 21: Mean sometimes the dogs they just get left behind. And

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01:03:02,693 --> 01:03:04,813
Speaker 21: then so one day it took us a week to

1374
01:03:04,893 --> 01:03:07,813
Speaker 21: catch two of these dogs and they killed thirty.

1375
01:03:07,653 --> 01:03:08,533
Speaker 18: Thirty lamb.

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01:03:10,293 --> 01:03:14,253
Speaker 2: So what kind of scumbag just abandons their dogs?

1377
01:03:14,253 --> 01:03:16,213
Speaker 21: Well, they don't abandon them, they just take off.

1378
01:03:16,493 --> 01:03:18,653
Speaker 2: So the dogs have run off because they're more excited

1379
01:03:18,693 --> 01:03:20,853
Speaker 2: about some lammies than they are on the pigs. And

1380
01:03:20,893 --> 01:03:22,413
Speaker 2: then that the hunters can't find.

1381
01:03:22,213 --> 01:03:26,693
Speaker 4: Their dogs and then they're run away yeaheah, right, there's

1382
01:03:26,733 --> 01:03:29,893
Speaker 4: been confrontation with them as well as they're trying to

1383
01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:33,093
Speaker 4: go up there. Complicated that does that become a legal

1384
01:03:33,133 --> 01:03:33,973
Speaker 4: issue then.

1385
01:03:35,493 --> 01:03:37,053
Speaker 21: Only if you can identify them?

1386
01:03:37,333 --> 01:03:37,693
Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: What do the police say in those circumstances? I suppose

1388
01:03:40,693 --> 01:03:42,853
Speaker 3: there's only so much they can do if the hunters

1389
01:03:42,853 --> 01:03:45,373
Speaker 3: come and gone, Yeah, no evidence.

1390
01:03:47,013 --> 01:03:49,413
Speaker 2: So how does the livestock insurance work in that? Say,

1391
01:03:49,653 --> 01:03:51,173
Speaker 2: if that dog's you.

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Speaker 21: Know, destroyed, I think that I think it covers up

1393
01:03:54,813 --> 01:03:59,613
Speaker 21: to twenty thousand, you know, if they're up there, if

1394
01:03:59,653 --> 01:04:01,693
Speaker 21: there's three or three or so of them when they're

1395
01:04:01,773 --> 01:04:03,453
Speaker 21: up there, for a while. They can do a lot more.

1396
01:04:03,413 --> 01:04:04,053
Speaker 18: Damage than that.

1397
01:04:05,133 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 2: How far away is the paper road from where you

1398
01:04:07,733 --> 01:04:10,853
Speaker 2: actually live, Sarah?

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Speaker 21: You know we live, We live a few k's away

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01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:16,093
Speaker 21: from that particular block, so we're up there.

1401
01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:16,533
Speaker 14: All the time.

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01:04:16,693 --> 01:04:19,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so you know, you've got no idea what's

1403
01:04:19,813 --> 01:04:21,773
Speaker 2: going on up there.

1404
01:04:21,293 --> 01:04:23,653
Speaker 18: So we're going to have life.

1405
01:04:24,573 --> 01:04:26,293
Speaker 3: So is there nothing the council can do? Can they

1406
01:04:26,293 --> 01:04:28,013
Speaker 3: not look at that and see the problems you're having

1407
01:04:28,053 --> 01:04:30,333
Speaker 3: as a farmer with you know, these rogue dogs taking

1408
01:04:30,373 --> 01:04:32,253
Speaker 3: down your sheep and say we're just going to take

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01:04:32,253 --> 01:04:32,853
Speaker 3: that off the map.

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01:04:33,973 --> 01:04:36,933
Speaker 14: No, it won't Why, I don't know.

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01:04:37,413 --> 01:04:38,613
Speaker 21: I don't like paper roads.

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01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:40,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can tell.

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01:04:40,653 --> 01:04:41,413
Speaker 4: Well, it's a lot.

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01:04:41,453 --> 01:04:43,493
Speaker 2: It's one thing to it's one thing to you know,

1415
01:04:43,773 --> 01:04:46,413
Speaker 2: force someone to have this, you know, access for people. Sure,

1416
01:04:46,413 --> 01:04:47,613
Speaker 2: if they're just going to go to the beach or

1417
01:04:47,613 --> 01:04:51,013
Speaker 2: something like that, that's nice. But when people start, you know,

1418
01:04:51,213 --> 01:04:54,933
Speaker 2: abusing it, hunting on your land or you know, pig

1419
01:04:54,973 --> 01:04:58,933
Speaker 2: dogs attacking livestock, that that seems like something that someone

1420
01:04:58,973 --> 01:05:01,373
Speaker 2: should come in and help you out with. That's that's

1421
01:05:01,413 --> 01:05:04,613
Speaker 2: a lot to ask from from farmers, isn't it. That's

1422
01:05:04,613 --> 01:05:06,973
Speaker 2: that's a lot more than just you're going to drive

1423
01:05:07,013 --> 01:05:08,613
Speaker 2: through my property on your way somewhere else.

1424
01:05:09,413 --> 01:05:11,693
Speaker 21: I think you'll find it happens smaller than you realize.

1425
01:05:11,773 --> 01:05:12,293
Speaker 18: On farms.

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01:05:12,973 --> 01:05:17,853
Speaker 21: Yeah, with people, people using the paper roads as an

1427
01:05:17,853 --> 01:05:18,933
Speaker 21: excuse to go in there.

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01:05:19,293 --> 01:05:21,773
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, best of luck with that, Sarah. That

1429
01:05:21,813 --> 01:05:24,333
Speaker 2: sounds like a really complicated and frustrating issue.

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01:05:24,413 --> 01:05:26,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a nightmare. Thank you very much for

1431
01:05:26,133 --> 01:05:27,573
Speaker 3: giving us a call. O eight one hundred and eighty

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01:05:27,573 --> 01:05:29,893
Speaker 3: ten eighty can to hear your stories about paper roads.

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01:05:29,933 --> 01:05:32,253
Speaker 3: If you've got a problem like Sarah, really, can ever check.

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01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:34,613
Speaker 2: Carl says, Just tell Sarah to put drainage ditches in

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01:05:34,653 --> 01:05:36,413
Speaker 2: the road. Then see how many try to use the

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01:05:36,453 --> 01:05:38,813
Speaker 2: paper road. Charge five one hundred dollars a pop to

1437
01:05:38,813 --> 01:05:39,333
Speaker 2: tow them out.

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01:05:39,413 --> 01:05:42,293
Speaker 3: That is some thinking. Yeah they get their foot drive stock,

1439
01:05:42,373 --> 01:05:46,253
Speaker 3: then shame on them. It is nineteen to three taking

1440
01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:48,573
Speaker 3: more of your call. Shortly you're back in the mote.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

1442
01:05:53,093 --> 01:05:57,613
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks, they'd.

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01:05:57,493 --> 01:05:59,653
Speaker 3: Be very good. Afternoons you have an a fascinating chat

1444
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,453
Speaker 3: about paper roads on people's properties and the drama they're

1445
01:06:02,453 --> 01:06:03,093
Speaker 3: having to face.

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01:06:03,373 --> 01:06:06,333
Speaker 2: Guys, can you please clarify what a paper road is.

1447
01:06:06,373 --> 01:06:07,653
Speaker 2: I don't know what a paper roaders, I don't know

1448
01:06:07,693 --> 01:06:09,853
Speaker 2: what you're talking about. For the ignorant like me that

1449
01:06:10,013 --> 01:06:11,773
Speaker 2: doesn't know what is a paper road, that is a

1450
01:06:11,773 --> 01:06:12,213
Speaker 2: fair point.

1451
01:06:12,213 --> 01:06:15,093
Speaker 3: I don't think we've explained enough what is eachulair paper road.

1452
01:06:15,133 --> 01:06:17,013
Speaker 4: We've said paper road four hundred times.

1453
01:06:16,853 --> 01:06:19,573
Speaker 3: We certainly have. So they are simply part of a

1454
01:06:19,653 --> 01:06:22,533
Speaker 3: legal road network that is not formed or maintained by

1455
01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:25,413
Speaker 3: the roading authority. So for local roads, that's your local council.

1456
01:06:25,653 --> 01:06:27,573
Speaker 3: For state highways, it's n ZTA.

1457
01:06:27,853 --> 01:06:30,373
Speaker 2: So they're called paper roads because they're essentially lines on

1458
01:06:30,413 --> 01:06:32,373
Speaker 2: a map, and a lot of them were laid out

1459
01:06:33,013 --> 01:06:37,013
Speaker 2: in the you know at eighteen fifty, Yeah, you know,

1460
01:06:37,093 --> 01:06:39,053
Speaker 2: way back in the day. And some of them were

1461
01:06:39,093 --> 01:06:42,053
Speaker 2: lined out from overseas, so they don't take into account

1462
01:06:42,453 --> 01:06:43,653
Speaker 2: any kind of topography.

1463
01:06:43,773 --> 01:06:46,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, Governor Hobson at the time eighteen forty, and you

1464
01:06:46,093 --> 01:06:49,173
Speaker 3: just decided to put some paper roads down, Kevin, you

1465
01:06:49,293 --> 01:06:50,413
Speaker 3: got one on your land.

1466
01:06:52,373 --> 01:06:56,573
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I have. Actually it's not as bad as

1467
01:06:56,653 --> 01:06:59,333
Speaker 14: what Sarah situation is, but we've got a little lake

1468
01:06:59,493 --> 01:07:05,773
Speaker 14: on our property nice and down one side of the

1469
01:07:05,853 --> 01:07:08,413
Speaker 14: lake is a paper road. So all the fish and

1470
01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:10,893
Speaker 14: and go down there and walk down there on the

1471
01:07:10,933 --> 01:07:13,813
Speaker 14: paper road. The issue is our driveways on the other

1472
01:07:13,933 --> 01:07:17,613
Speaker 14: side and where a klimeter long. So Google Maps has

1473
01:07:17,653 --> 01:07:22,333
Speaker 14: actually falsely labeled how driveway is the paper road. What

1474
01:07:22,373 --> 01:07:26,173
Speaker 14: happens is everyone drives down our driveway and I stopped them,

1475
01:07:26,253 --> 01:07:29,173
Speaker 14: and I've got a private property signs out, gates out,

1476
01:07:29,173 --> 01:07:30,573
Speaker 14: and they go, mate, this is a paper road I'm

1477
01:07:30,573 --> 01:07:32,413
Speaker 14: allowed to drive through. I say, no, it's not a

1478
01:07:32,533 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 14: paper road. There's a walking track on the other side,

1479
01:07:35,093 --> 01:07:37,213
Speaker 14: which it legally is because I've seen it on my title.

1480
01:07:37,493 --> 01:07:39,733
Speaker 14: But they say, oh no, Google Maps knows better than

1481
01:07:39,733 --> 01:07:43,093
Speaker 14: you do. Drive down your property. How annoying around my

1482
01:07:43,173 --> 01:07:45,573
Speaker 14: fat It's quite frustrating.

1483
01:07:47,813 --> 01:07:49,733
Speaker 4: It would be pretty hard to contact Google. Imagine.

1484
01:07:50,373 --> 01:07:52,213
Speaker 2: Imagine there's no one at Google you could bring up

1485
01:07:52,213 --> 01:07:53,533
Speaker 2: and say, sort out your match.

1486
01:07:54,493 --> 01:07:57,973
Speaker 14: I had, Yeah, after the tenth time I reported that

1487
01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:02,493
Speaker 14: they've taken it off. However, yes, people still drive down

1488
01:08:02,493 --> 01:08:04,573
Speaker 14: it because they say no, no, no, there's a paper

1489
01:08:04,613 --> 01:08:06,933
Speaker 14: road here it's and they just drive down it.

1490
01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:09,493
Speaker 4: So, yeah, are people nice about it?

1491
01:08:09,693 --> 01:08:10,893
Speaker 14: With that actual paper road.

1492
01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:15,373
Speaker 2: People nice about it, Kevin. Do you did they go? Oh, sorry,

1493
01:08:15,253 --> 01:08:15,773
Speaker 2: I know that.

1494
01:08:15,653 --> 01:08:17,853
Speaker 14: They being cheeky, and that's a good excuse to go

1495
01:08:18,013 --> 01:08:19,293
Speaker 14: for a drive around someone's farm.

1496
01:08:19,653 --> 01:08:22,693
Speaker 3: Dirty. Yeah, so can you put a gates up or

1497
01:08:22,693 --> 01:08:25,212
Speaker 3: something or are we big big signed same private property.

1498
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:27,452
Speaker 3: I suppose they wouldn't ignore that, wouldn't they, because they

1499
01:08:27,452 --> 01:08:28,132
Speaker 3: think they're right.

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01:08:29,532 --> 01:08:29,892
Speaker 21: Correct.

1501
01:08:30,812 --> 01:08:33,692
Speaker 14: So the actual paper road are fantastic. It gives people

1502
01:08:33,812 --> 01:08:36,812
Speaker 14: and have no problems with that. And all those who

1503
01:08:36,853 --> 01:08:39,852
Speaker 14: respect the paper roads, they save their purpose.

1504
01:08:39,893 --> 01:08:40,613
Speaker 11: That's fantastic.

1505
01:08:40,692 --> 01:08:43,293
Speaker 14: So they all go fishing, have no problems with that.

1506
01:08:43,572 --> 01:08:46,652
Speaker 14: It's when it's when the cheeky ones sort of go,

1507
01:08:47,933 --> 01:08:50,053
Speaker 14: just go, I'll just go for a drive and I'll

1508
01:08:50,053 --> 01:08:53,213
Speaker 14: ignore everything else and and and then I'll scope for

1509
01:08:53,213 --> 01:08:53,532
Speaker 14: a drive.

1510
01:08:53,692 --> 01:08:57,172
Speaker 2: So yeah, now, Kevin, So that lake that's on your property,

1511
01:08:57,692 --> 01:08:59,652
Speaker 2: that that that's your lake though, isn't it?

1512
01:09:01,133 --> 01:09:03,652
Speaker 14: Well, it's right out and no, because it's right near

1513
01:09:03,692 --> 01:09:06,173
Speaker 14: the road, right, they had to walk around.

1514
01:09:05,772 --> 01:09:08,133
Speaker 6: It legally it is.

1515
01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:13,492
Speaker 14: It is not our late, so we don't. We don't encompass.

1516
01:09:13,133 --> 01:09:13,692
Speaker 11: The whole lake.

1517
01:09:13,973 --> 01:09:17,333
Speaker 14: So right, and I love people fishing there. That's fantastics.

1518
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:18,692
Speaker 14: Great to go down and talk to them.

1519
01:09:18,893 --> 01:09:19,452
Speaker 18: No issues.

1520
01:09:19,812 --> 01:09:22,852
Speaker 14: I'm not worried about that actual paper road. It's when

1521
01:09:23,253 --> 01:09:28,532
Speaker 14: people go off the paper road thinking that right, is

1522
01:09:28,812 --> 01:09:29,532
Speaker 14: the real issue.

1523
01:09:29,532 --> 01:09:32,572
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, they're just taking the path. Yeah, well, I'm

1524
01:09:32,572 --> 01:09:35,293
Speaker 2: good luck with that, Kevin. I'm glad that Google's sort

1525
01:09:35,333 --> 01:09:37,293
Speaker 2: of that out is what about Apple maps? Have they

1526
01:09:37,333 --> 01:09:38,852
Speaker 2: Are they sending people up there or.

1527
01:09:39,053 --> 01:09:40,173
Speaker 11: You know, I'm not sure?

1528
01:09:41,173 --> 01:09:44,692
Speaker 14: You give up? Yeah, yeah, you can do so much.

1529
01:09:45,333 --> 01:09:45,572
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1530
01:09:45,652 --> 01:09:47,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for you call, Kevin.

1531
01:09:47,492 --> 01:09:50,012
Speaker 2: Appreciate that you got to ring waves. You gotta ring

1532
01:09:50,253 --> 01:09:52,492
Speaker 2: you're doing Apple maps. There's a lot of adminds baring

1533
01:09:52,492 --> 01:09:54,293
Speaker 2: a lot of people up your paper road. Yeah, your

1534
01:09:54,333 --> 01:09:55,093
Speaker 2: non paper road.

1535
01:09:56,372 --> 01:09:58,213
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1536
01:09:58,253 --> 01:09:59,572
Speaker 3: to call, Luca, How are you?

1537
01:10:00,732 --> 01:10:01,093
Speaker 9: A good thing?

1538
01:10:01,173 --> 01:10:04,852
Speaker 3: Still is very well. So you're in an outdoor industry

1539
01:10:04,893 --> 01:10:06,652
Speaker 3: and you use quite a bit of or quite a

1540
01:10:06,692 --> 01:10:07,813
Speaker 3: few paper roads.

1541
01:10:08,452 --> 01:10:08,772
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1542
01:10:08,812 --> 01:10:11,572
Speaker 5: I'm in the out to education industry, so we use

1543
01:10:11,893 --> 01:10:15,933
Speaker 5: paper roads all the time for access into places, and

1544
01:10:16,013 --> 01:10:18,892
Speaker 5: I think we're very fortunate in New Zealand to have them.

1545
01:10:18,933 --> 01:10:20,652
Speaker 5: And I think the main issue with the paper roads

1546
01:10:20,692 --> 01:10:23,773
Speaker 5: is just the whole respect thing, especially for the farmers

1547
01:10:24,173 --> 01:10:26,412
Speaker 5: and the road. You know, whenever we use them, we

1548
01:10:26,452 --> 01:10:29,892
Speaker 5: try to form a good relationship with the farmer, you know,

1549
01:10:29,933 --> 01:10:32,213
Speaker 5: finding out who owns the farm and dropping off some

1550
01:10:32,293 --> 01:10:35,852
Speaker 5: bears or you know, twenty bucks cash and you split

1551
01:10:35,893 --> 01:10:37,972
Speaker 5: it between a carload of people and then it's next

1552
01:10:37,973 --> 01:10:41,372
Speaker 5: to nothing. But look, you do get some farmers taking

1553
01:10:41,372 --> 01:10:43,333
Speaker 5: the piece of it by putting locks on their gates

1554
01:10:43,372 --> 01:10:45,452
Speaker 5: and trying to charge one hundred and twenty dollars for

1555
01:10:45,492 --> 01:10:48,372
Speaker 5: a vehicle whatever. But end of the day, most farmers

1556
01:10:48,412 --> 01:10:50,053
Speaker 5: are good if you just show some respect to them.

1557
01:10:50,053 --> 01:10:52,972
Speaker 5: There the earlier hall of she was saying, how much

1558
01:10:52,973 --> 01:10:55,452
Speaker 5: farmers put into maintaining these roads, and it's dead right.

1559
01:10:55,492 --> 01:10:58,053
Speaker 5: You know, we're very fortunate that the farmers do that

1560
01:10:58,173 --> 01:10:59,652
Speaker 5: and show them some respect.

1561
01:11:00,013 --> 01:11:02,053
Speaker 2: And when you go and show the farmers respect, do

1562
01:11:02,173 --> 01:11:05,972
Speaker 2: they they appreciate it? Does it just lighten the whole

1563
01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:08,812
Speaker 2: thing up? And I imagine it makes the whole experience,

1564
01:11:09,572 --> 01:11:12,213
Speaker 2: you know, nicer for everyone.

1565
01:11:13,213 --> 01:11:15,052
Speaker 5: You know, they've come to save us a few times

1566
01:11:15,053 --> 01:11:18,093
Speaker 5: on occasions when we've been out on overnight trips and

1567
01:11:18,133 --> 01:11:20,572
Speaker 5: the rivers flooded or wherever, and they've you know, we've

1568
01:11:20,612 --> 01:11:23,333
Speaker 5: contacted them and they've driven a long way to come

1569
01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:26,972
Speaker 5: transport us out and all that stuff. So very fortunate

1570
01:11:26,973 --> 01:11:28,293
Speaker 5: to have them, and you know, big thanks to all

1571
01:11:28,293 --> 01:11:30,612
Speaker 5: the farmers that do put their money into maintaining them.

1572
01:11:30,692 --> 01:11:32,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing it right, Luca.

1573
01:11:32,452 --> 01:11:33,052
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking.

1574
01:11:33,053 --> 01:11:35,612
Speaker 3: There's that there's a tramp actually near the West Coast

1575
01:11:35,652 --> 01:11:38,013
Speaker 3: called Griffin Creek, and there's a paper road right the

1576
01:11:38,093 --> 01:11:39,692
Speaker 3: side it that you can park your car up. But

1577
01:11:39,732 --> 01:11:41,452
Speaker 3: if you treat the farmer nice and you give them

1578
01:11:41,452 --> 01:11:43,772
Speaker 3: some beer, they look after, you know, over their car

1579
01:11:43,812 --> 01:11:45,612
Speaker 3: for you where you're on this tramp, which is a

1580
01:11:45,612 --> 01:11:47,732
Speaker 3: godsend because so many cars get broken into if.

1581
01:11:47,612 --> 01:11:49,652
Speaker 4: You don't give them beer, then what they flip the

1582
01:11:49,692 --> 01:11:52,173
Speaker 4: car over, roll it back onto the main road and

1583
01:11:52,173 --> 01:11:54,492
Speaker 4: say sorry. Yeah protection, yeah, yeah.

1584
01:11:54,933 --> 01:11:57,333
Speaker 5: That paper road up there, because they're building a hydro

1585
01:11:57,452 --> 01:11:59,333
Speaker 5: scheme up the top of that river. That paper road

1586
01:11:59,372 --> 01:12:02,772
Speaker 5: is actually illegal that the hydro company put in without

1587
01:12:02,772 --> 01:12:03,333
Speaker 5: any consent.

1588
01:12:03,772 --> 01:12:04,012
Speaker 11: Right.

1589
01:12:04,372 --> 01:12:08,253
Speaker 9: That's a big topic for the environmental.

1590
01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:10,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, So where I parked was pretty much you'd know

1591
01:12:10,492 --> 01:12:13,093
Speaker 3: the place as you're heading towards Griffin Creek carts and

1592
01:12:13,133 --> 01:12:15,133
Speaker 3: over the hill and you've got that farm there. It's

1593
01:12:15,133 --> 01:12:17,772
Speaker 3: pretty much the old highway right, and I felt bad

1594
01:12:17,853 --> 01:12:19,412
Speaker 3: driving onto their property and then he had to go

1595
01:12:19,452 --> 01:12:20,812
Speaker 3: and knock on the door and stage you might have

1596
01:12:20,853 --> 01:12:23,372
Speaker 3: a park here, but is that so that one has

1597
01:12:23,412 --> 01:12:24,252
Speaker 3: been put in illegally?

1598
01:12:25,173 --> 01:12:27,013
Speaker 6: So there's right.

1599
01:12:27,213 --> 01:12:29,572
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're trying to put a hydro scheme up there,

1600
01:12:30,253 --> 01:12:31,652
Speaker 5: and then right when you turned off the highways a

1601
01:12:31,812 --> 01:12:33,933
Speaker 5: little park and it kind of just goes down to

1602
01:12:33,973 --> 01:12:35,372
Speaker 5: the river and that's the end of it. But they've

1603
01:12:35,372 --> 01:12:38,852
Speaker 5: pushed a one further up without any consent at all.

1604
01:12:38,933 --> 01:12:41,213
Speaker 5: And then pretty much after they did it was like, hey,

1605
01:12:41,253 --> 01:12:42,732
Speaker 5: why'd you do this? And they're like, oh, well it's

1606
01:12:42,732 --> 01:12:48,053
Speaker 5: here now, too bad. Yeah yeah, so yeah, I've been

1607
01:12:48,133 --> 01:12:49,692
Speaker 5: up there with some people before just to have a

1608
01:12:49,692 --> 01:12:50,133
Speaker 5: look at it all.

1609
01:12:50,173 --> 01:12:55,093
Speaker 9: And it's a pretty big scene in the environmentalists.

1610
01:12:54,452 --> 01:12:55,213
Speaker 11: World at the moment.

1611
01:12:55,293 --> 01:12:55,532
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1612
01:12:55,572 --> 01:12:57,972
Speaker 3: Interesting, it's a nice heart, it's great walk tough.

1613
01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:01,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is got on your Lucas Tyler says, you're

1614
01:13:01,652 --> 01:13:03,412
Speaker 2: doing it the right way. Yeah, So it's a bit

1615
01:13:03,452 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 2: of given throw if you if you fire up the

1616
01:13:05,213 --> 01:13:07,293
Speaker 2: paper road and let your pig dogs go loose and

1617
01:13:07,333 --> 01:13:11,852
Speaker 2: eat the farmers lambs, then things that can get Argie bargie. Yeah,

1618
01:13:11,893 --> 01:13:14,692
Speaker 2: if you come past so some respect, then I imagine

1619
01:13:14,893 --> 01:13:16,693
Speaker 2: most farmers are going to be.

1620
01:13:16,492 --> 01:13:18,532
Speaker 4: Cool and pull you out of a hole when you've

1621
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:18,933
Speaker 4: fallen it.

1622
01:13:19,013 --> 01:13:21,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds pretty easy. Oh one hundred and eighty

1623
01:13:21,213 --> 01:13:22,772
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number of cool. We've got full

1624
01:13:22,812 --> 01:13:24,892
Speaker 3: boards at the moment. If you can't get through, keep trying.

1625
01:13:25,213 --> 01:13:28,133
Speaker 3: Nine to three the issues.

1626
01:13:27,692 --> 01:13:30,173
Speaker 1: That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

1627
01:13:30,412 --> 01:13:33,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News Talks. It be.

1628
01:13:35,572 --> 01:13:38,492
Speaker 3: News talksb it is six to three talking about paper roads.

1629
01:13:38,612 --> 01:13:39,452
Speaker 4: What are roads?

1630
01:13:39,652 --> 01:13:43,333
Speaker 3: Paper roads are legal roads, but they haven't been maintained

1631
01:13:43,333 --> 01:13:45,892
Speaker 3: and they're owned by councils or the n ZTA.

1632
01:13:46,173 --> 01:13:49,012
Speaker 4: Ah, that's what a paper road is. Brian, welcome the show.

1633
01:13:50,612 --> 01:13:52,652
Speaker 4: Get how are you very good? Thank you?

1634
01:13:54,013 --> 01:13:55,532
Speaker 6: Hey, Look I've.

1635
01:13:55,372 --> 01:13:58,372
Speaker 16: Got a story here that's I'm seventy seven now, So

1636
01:13:58,853 --> 01:14:02,973
Speaker 16: this happened about fifty years ago, when I suppose I

1637
01:14:02,973 --> 01:14:04,652
Speaker 16: think the are a lot simpler than those those But

1638
01:14:05,532 --> 01:14:10,572
Speaker 16: I've been one hundred all my life because those days

1639
01:14:11,253 --> 01:14:14,572
Speaker 16: one day with Leatherwig's pay, So when I wasn't working,

1640
01:14:14,612 --> 01:14:18,732
Speaker 16: I was at huntings. But we just involved the ring

1641
01:14:18,772 --> 01:14:23,293
Speaker 16: it out of gorge on a river that separated Mespotania

1642
01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:26,972
Speaker 16: at the one next door, and we had studied our

1643
01:14:26,973 --> 01:14:31,053
Speaker 16: maps and showed us showed the paper road. So a

1644
01:14:31,093 --> 01:14:33,612
Speaker 16: friend and I went up there and driving up the

1645
01:14:33,692 --> 01:14:38,052
Speaker 16: river and we got followed by the neighboring station owner

1646
01:14:38,572 --> 01:14:41,333
Speaker 16: who told us we were creation. We said, we went

1647
01:14:41,532 --> 01:14:45,933
Speaker 16: and we were in carry on. We got to the

1648
01:14:46,013 --> 01:14:48,013
Speaker 16: first river crossing with the floods, so we had a

1649
01:14:48,013 --> 01:14:51,652
Speaker 16: couple and head of the home. We got to Peel

1650
01:14:51,732 --> 01:14:55,652
Speaker 16: Forest and we were stopped by the police. They took

1651
01:14:55,652 --> 01:14:59,333
Speaker 16: our rifles. We end up in court three months later.

1652
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 16: Dot was one of the accusers. We lost the case.

1653
01:15:04,572 --> 01:15:06,412
Speaker 16: It costs one hundred dollars each and we'll give them

1654
01:15:06,412 --> 01:15:10,173
Speaker 16: back their rifles. Us have said to us that he's

1655
01:15:10,213 --> 01:15:12,652
Speaker 16: sorry he didn't do enough research. We should have won

1656
01:15:12,692 --> 01:15:14,933
Speaker 16: the case. So just one of those simple things that

1657
01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:17,333
Speaker 16: happens and idea. So that's still going on today.

1658
01:15:18,013 --> 01:15:19,892
Speaker 2: Right, So you had every right there was a paper

1659
01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:21,973
Speaker 2: road and you every right to be on it, but

1660
01:15:22,452 --> 01:15:25,173
Speaker 2: no one in the court seemed to know that.

1661
01:15:25,173 --> 01:15:26,452
Speaker 4: That's that's interesting.

1662
01:15:27,973 --> 01:15:30,492
Speaker 16: Yeah, well it was listed as a young guy just

1663
01:15:30,492 --> 01:15:34,452
Speaker 16: started out at those days, we were still yourselness.

1664
01:15:34,532 --> 01:15:36,453
Speaker 3: Always always go for the older lawyers.

1665
01:15:37,173 --> 01:15:38,892
Speaker 4: How does it look things up on the internet back day?

1666
01:15:39,053 --> 01:15:40,932
Speaker 2: You know, for for a lazy lawyer to just go,

1667
01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:43,812
Speaker 2: oh yeah, there's the paper road to get probably go

1668
01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:45,652
Speaker 2: down too some kind of council build and flip through

1669
01:15:45,652 --> 01:15:48,013
Speaker 2: some papers, some microfiche to find out what was going on.

1670
01:15:49,652 --> 01:15:52,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, well it was a thing like I mean, I'm

1671
01:15:52,772 --> 01:15:55,253
Speaker 16: a hundred of my life, I can't run climb the

1672
01:15:55,293 --> 01:15:58,372
Speaker 16: hills now and I'm in the Cision rode. But it's

1673
01:15:58,652 --> 01:16:02,733
Speaker 16: one of those things idea. So today, with all the

1674
01:16:02,772 --> 01:16:05,612
Speaker 16: technology involved, it's a lot of easy for people to

1675
01:16:05,652 --> 01:16:07,812
Speaker 16: go online and check these things out a bit more thoroughly,

1676
01:16:07,812 --> 01:16:08,213
Speaker 16: I suppose.

1677
01:16:08,652 --> 01:16:10,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Thank you so much for your cool Brian.

1678
01:16:10,612 --> 01:16:12,093
Speaker 2: I'm got to go to the news. We've got full

1679
01:16:12,173 --> 01:16:14,772
Speaker 2: lines and so many texts coming through on paper roads.

1680
01:16:14,853 --> 01:16:16,772
Speaker 2: We keep this going a little bit after three.

1681
01:16:16,652 --> 01:16:19,213
Speaker 3: Tailfe Absolutely, you got to give the people what they want.

1682
01:16:19,372 --> 01:16:20,812
Speaker 3: Can you hear from you? Oh wait, one hundred and

1683
01:16:20,812 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty you've got a problem with a paper

1684
01:16:22,572 --> 01:16:24,293
Speaker 3: road on your property, or if you use them on

1685
01:16:24,333 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 3: a regular basis, come on through nine two ninety two

1686
01:16:27,372 --> 01:16:28,412
Speaker 3: as the text number.

1687
01:16:28,412 --> 01:16:30,612
Speaker 4: This is a shocking story. Cost of farm one hundred

1688
01:16:30,692 --> 01:16:32,293
Speaker 4: thousand dollars to deal with their paper road?

1689
01:16:32,372 --> 01:16:42,653
Speaker 1: Who up next? Your new homes are insateful and entertaining.

1690
01:16:42,772 --> 01:16:47,333
Speaker 1: Talk It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1691
01:16:47,452 --> 01:16:47,812
Speaker 18: Sebby.

1692
01:16:48,692 --> 01:16:51,213
Speaker 3: Good day to you, welcome back into the show. It

1693
01:16:51,372 --> 01:16:55,932
Speaker 3: is seven past three now, Tyler. This morning you came

1694
01:16:55,973 --> 01:16:57,772
Speaker 3: into work and you said to me, You says Matt.

1695
01:16:57,853 --> 01:16:59,492
Speaker 3: He says, mat I want to talk about paper roads.

1696
01:16:59,933 --> 01:17:02,133
Speaker 3: I said, what's a paper road? I never even heard

1697
01:17:02,133 --> 01:17:03,812
Speaker 3: of a paper road in my entire life. Yep, and

1698
01:17:03,973 --> 01:17:06,852
Speaker 3: yet I'm now completely engrossed with paper road stories.

1699
01:17:06,893 --> 01:17:07,452
Speaker 4: They're incredible.

1700
01:17:07,452 --> 01:17:09,852
Speaker 3: What is the paper so to explain it, and this

1701
01:17:10,013 --> 01:17:11,893
Speaker 3: is my own words, they are simply part of the

1702
01:17:11,973 --> 01:17:14,612
Speaker 3: legal road network that is not formed or maintained by

1703
01:17:14,652 --> 01:17:17,013
Speaker 3: the road in authority. So for local roads that is

1704
01:17:17,053 --> 01:17:19,852
Speaker 3: your local council. For state highways it's NZTA.

1705
01:17:20,372 --> 01:17:22,532
Speaker 2: So these are paper roads that have just been put

1706
01:17:22,612 --> 01:17:26,173
Speaker 2: across the map. Sometimes they've been done, you know, in

1707
01:17:26,253 --> 01:17:32,893
Speaker 2: the mid eighteen fifty or earlier, and they they're not

1708
01:17:33,053 --> 01:17:36,093
Speaker 2: up kept by anyone, so they've never been They may

1709
01:17:36,133 --> 01:17:38,372
Speaker 2: have been a road they thought they might have been

1710
01:17:38,492 --> 01:17:40,572
Speaker 2: one day we're going to be tarmacked, but they never.

1711
01:17:40,532 --> 01:17:42,372
Speaker 3: Were correct yep, one hundred percent.

1712
01:17:42,492 --> 01:17:46,652
Speaker 4: So just gravel, they're just sometimes he just tracks straight

1713
01:17:46,732 --> 01:17:47,133
Speaker 4: up bush.

1714
01:17:48,013 --> 01:17:49,492
Speaker 3: So to give you a little bit of history, around

1715
01:17:49,532 --> 01:17:54,013
Speaker 3: eighteen forty, Queen Victoria issued instructions to Governor Hobson, and

1716
01:17:54,732 --> 01:17:57,612
Speaker 3: the thirty forty third instruction was to appoint a survey

1717
01:17:57,652 --> 01:18:00,612
Speaker 3: at General who would report particular lands to reserve or

1718
01:18:00,692 --> 01:18:03,893
Speaker 3: to be surveyed for public roads or other internal communications,

1719
01:18:03,893 --> 01:18:06,612
Speaker 3: whether by land or water. So effectively, Governor Hobson just

1720
01:18:06,692 --> 01:18:08,652
Speaker 3: had a look at a map of New Zealand, he

1721
01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:10,732
Speaker 3: might have not even been in the country, just from England,

1722
01:18:10,853 --> 01:18:13,532
Speaker 3: and said, we think there should be some roads along

1723
01:18:13,652 --> 01:18:16,412
Speaker 3: this area and this area, and then boom they became

1724
01:18:16,492 --> 01:18:17,732
Speaker 3: effectively paper roads.

1725
01:18:19,173 --> 01:18:24,692
Speaker 4: Governor Harpsen, paper roads plays across What did you see that?

1726
01:18:24,853 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 4: Fifty five thousand kilimeters of paper roads? Please, And he

1727
01:18:28,732 --> 01:18:28,973
Speaker 4: did it.

1728
01:18:29,133 --> 01:18:31,772
Speaker 3: It's like listening to a documentary. That's perfect, that's exactly

1729
01:18:31,812 --> 01:18:32,293
Speaker 3: how it happened.

1730
01:18:32,333 --> 01:18:35,973
Speaker 2: And then all these years later they're still causing all

1731
01:18:36,093 --> 01:18:38,933
Speaker 2: kinds of problems and bringing all kinds of joy with

1732
01:18:39,013 --> 01:18:41,852
Speaker 2: the access that they provide to beaches and hunting spots

1733
01:18:42,013 --> 01:18:43,012
Speaker 2: and such.

1734
01:18:43,213 --> 01:18:44,013
Speaker 4: But spot on.

1735
01:18:44,133 --> 01:18:46,412
Speaker 2: You know, anytime you're driving through someone else's land and

1736
01:18:46,532 --> 01:18:49,973
Speaker 2: as we're talking to Fiona before, she's you know, a

1737
01:18:50,093 --> 01:18:51,732
Speaker 2: farmer and they have to spend a lot of their

1738
01:18:51,772 --> 01:18:54,933
Speaker 2: own money, you know, looking after their paper roads. And

1739
01:18:55,013 --> 01:18:58,173
Speaker 2: then sometimes hunters pig dogs run off and kill their lamps. Yeah,

1740
01:18:58,253 --> 01:19:00,812
Speaker 2: so you can see there's a flash point. There isn't

1741
01:19:00,812 --> 01:19:03,093
Speaker 2: there There certainly is. And here's an example of a

1742
01:19:03,173 --> 01:19:05,532
Speaker 2: flash point. We had a paper road on our farm

1743
01:19:05,612 --> 01:19:08,812
Speaker 2: that came to an end on our boundary. We got

1744
01:19:08,893 --> 01:19:11,732
Speaker 2: it closed. It cost over one hundred thousand dollars because

1745
01:19:11,772 --> 01:19:15,612
Speaker 2: the council valued the area at thirty five thousand per hectare,

1746
01:19:16,013 --> 01:19:18,893
Speaker 2: but then added another thirty because we were desperate to

1747
01:19:18,933 --> 01:19:19,532
Speaker 2: get it closed.

1748
01:19:20,013 --> 01:19:22,133
Speaker 4: We are not happy that is.

1749
01:19:22,253 --> 01:19:25,932
Speaker 3: I mean, shame on that council for taking advantage Martin

1750
01:19:26,213 --> 01:19:27,532
Speaker 3: your thoughts on paper roads.

1751
01:19:28,452 --> 01:19:30,692
Speaker 11: I mean I missed a lot of what you just

1752
01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:32,852
Speaker 11: said since the news and only caught the end of

1753
01:19:32,933 --> 01:19:37,293
Speaker 11: your program, But I think you might have covered a little.

1754
01:19:37,372 --> 01:19:38,053
Speaker 17: But this.

1755
01:19:39,532 --> 01:19:41,772
Speaker 11: I kept hearing in the last fifteen minutes of the

1756
01:19:41,893 --> 01:19:44,852
Speaker 11: last hour. The people are talking about these paper roads

1757
01:19:45,053 --> 01:19:50,173
Speaker 11: on their property. Yes, they're not. They're legal roads, and

1758
01:19:50,293 --> 01:19:52,692
Speaker 11: at any time the council can come and develop them.

1759
01:19:53,253 --> 01:19:56,372
Speaker 11: And the last will maybe the second last caller he said, oh,

1760
01:19:56,452 --> 01:19:59,412
Speaker 11: it's only a walking track. It maybe I've never heard

1761
01:19:59,452 --> 01:20:03,852
Speaker 11: of that one. But the paper road is it comes

1762
01:20:03,893 --> 01:20:06,892
Speaker 11: off another road. It's not just a piece of land

1763
01:20:06,973 --> 01:20:09,972
Speaker 11: in the middle of somebody's property. Will be a legal

1764
01:20:10,053 --> 01:20:15,253
Speaker 11: access way to that correct road. And these people who

1765
01:20:15,253 --> 01:20:18,052
Speaker 11: are talking about it being on my property their property

1766
01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:21,732
Speaker 11: maybe on either side of the paper road. And as

1767
01:20:21,812 --> 01:20:26,133
Speaker 11: that chap said, you can't fence it off. It's not

1768
01:20:26,293 --> 01:20:27,173
Speaker 11: yours to do it for.

1769
01:20:27,732 --> 01:20:28,372
Speaker 4: I see what you're say.

1770
01:20:28,452 --> 01:20:30,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, so technically it is through their land, but the

1771
01:20:31,133 --> 01:20:34,333
Speaker 2: actual line of the paper road on the map and

1772
01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:38,452
Speaker 2: the official title, that part of it is not the

1773
01:20:38,652 --> 01:20:39,532
Speaker 2: farmer's property.

1774
01:20:39,772 --> 01:20:41,732
Speaker 4: It's the paper road. I see what it's saying, Martin. Yeah,

1775
01:20:42,173 --> 01:20:42,732
Speaker 4: that makes sense.

1776
01:20:42,812 --> 01:20:46,013
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, So a lot of a lot of them

1777
01:20:46,452 --> 01:20:49,253
Speaker 11: callers you've had, seem to think that they have legal

1778
01:20:49,372 --> 01:20:51,972
Speaker 11: right to do something to that road or to block people.

1779
01:20:53,492 --> 01:20:56,213
Speaker 11: It's a road that just hasn't been developed and ever

1780
01:20:56,293 --> 01:20:59,572
Speaker 11: since eating forty nine's had reason to develop them or whatever.

1781
01:21:00,013 --> 01:21:00,572
Speaker 6: Do you do?

1782
01:21:00,652 --> 01:21:02,253
Speaker 4: You have something for you know.

1783
01:21:02,692 --> 01:21:05,852
Speaker 2: In this particular story, so the paper road goes through

1784
01:21:06,093 --> 01:21:09,612
Speaker 2: a farmer's property and he wants to put gates on

1785
01:21:09,692 --> 01:21:12,572
Speaker 2: it to stop his cattle coming out going out, not locked,

1786
01:21:12,772 --> 01:21:14,812
Speaker 2: not a locked gate, but just so his cattle don't

1787
01:21:14,812 --> 01:21:17,692
Speaker 2: wander off. So do you have sympathy for that, you know,

1788
01:21:18,093 --> 01:21:20,572
Speaker 2: you know, you're still allowing access, but you've got gates

1789
01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:21,213
Speaker 2: on their martin.

1790
01:21:22,053 --> 01:21:23,973
Speaker 11: Yeah, oh, you've got to have a sympathy for that,

1791
01:21:24,173 --> 01:21:25,852
Speaker 11: especially when as I heard a couple of people, they

1792
01:21:25,933 --> 01:21:28,572
Speaker 11: look after them and you know, and they've actually farmed

1793
01:21:28,652 --> 01:21:32,372
Speaker 11: this paper road forever, and a lot of them that

1794
01:21:32,452 --> 01:21:35,012
Speaker 11: I've used. You know, farmers are only too happy. Maybe

1795
01:21:35,053 --> 01:21:37,293
Speaker 11: they know the legal standings of it, but they're only

1796
01:21:37,333 --> 01:21:38,933
Speaker 11: too happy. And just you know, as long as you

1797
01:21:39,013 --> 01:21:41,452
Speaker 11: stick to the paper road and don't wander off with

1798
01:21:41,572 --> 01:21:43,972
Speaker 11: your dogs and go, you know, doing all the bad

1799
01:21:44,053 --> 01:21:44,812
Speaker 11: things that were heard.

1800
01:21:45,732 --> 01:21:48,692
Speaker 3: But I mean that's hearing some of those stories, like Fiona,

1801
01:21:48,812 --> 01:21:51,532
Speaker 3: she's spending all that money maintaining this road. The councils

1802
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:53,772
Speaker 3: should give them something or help them out in some way.

1803
01:21:53,812 --> 01:21:56,213
Speaker 3: When people take advantage in their martin, you know, that's

1804
01:21:56,213 --> 01:21:58,053
Speaker 3: what annoys me. It's like when people know their own

1805
01:21:58,093 --> 01:22:00,013
Speaker 3: booms because the council can't be bothered. They can't just

1806
01:22:00,133 --> 01:22:02,053
Speaker 3: dust their hands and say sorry, you're on your own

1807
01:22:02,093 --> 01:22:04,492
Speaker 3: when they're spending their own money maintaining their property.

1808
01:22:06,093 --> 01:22:06,333
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1809
01:22:06,532 --> 01:22:08,772
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a gray area, isn't it. I mean if

1810
01:22:08,772 --> 01:22:11,213
Speaker 11: they if they want to do it which enhances their property,

1811
01:22:11,253 --> 01:22:13,852
Speaker 11: they're good on them. But you probably can you never

1812
01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:16,812
Speaker 11: can get anything back from a council or the government.

1813
01:22:17,093 --> 01:22:20,532
Speaker 11: I doubt need paper roads highways. I mean they're all

1814
01:22:20,652 --> 01:22:26,253
Speaker 11: council property, but you know, it might enhance your property,

1815
01:22:26,293 --> 01:22:28,093
Speaker 11: but I don't think you're going to get anything from

1816
01:22:28,133 --> 01:22:29,293
Speaker 11: a council for your efforts.

1817
01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:32,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for you call a Martin.

1818
01:22:32,412 --> 01:22:34,133
Speaker 4: Thanks for your thoughts on that.

1819
01:22:34,452 --> 01:22:37,693
Speaker 2: Paper roads and four by four enthusiasts are the scourge

1820
01:22:38,093 --> 01:22:38,813
Speaker 2: of society.

1821
01:22:38,933 --> 01:22:40,612
Speaker 4: Wow, it's okay, scourge.

1822
01:22:40,692 --> 01:22:42,612
Speaker 2: The worst thing that's happening in this country right now

1823
01:22:42,732 --> 01:22:45,612
Speaker 2: is four by fours and paper roads. And why is

1824
01:22:45,652 --> 01:22:48,612
Speaker 2: it that the four by four enthusiasts only drink Woodstock,

1825
01:22:48,692 --> 01:22:51,932
Speaker 2: Bourbon and Cody's and leave all their rubbish behind. Your

1826
01:22:52,013 --> 01:22:54,173
Speaker 2: four by four enthusiasts do seem to be a big

1827
01:22:54,293 --> 01:22:57,932
Speaker 2: fan of woodstock burdens in the codies eight percent.

1828
01:22:58,253 --> 01:23:00,213
Speaker 3: If you're a four by four enthusiast, why do you

1829
01:23:00,293 --> 01:23:02,692
Speaker 3: love your woodstock so much? It's a fair question. Well

1830
01:23:02,772 --> 01:23:04,452
Speaker 3: it does seem to be just woodstock and codies.

1831
01:23:04,492 --> 01:23:05,932
Speaker 4: Well, someone can tell me if this is true.

1832
01:23:06,853 --> 01:23:09,093
Speaker 2: Your insurance when you're four by four boring and if

1833
01:23:09,133 --> 01:23:12,053
Speaker 2: you're a four by fourer an off roader, yep, you

1834
01:23:12,173 --> 01:23:15,412
Speaker 2: might know this. There's different insurance when you're fully off road,

1835
01:23:16,333 --> 01:23:18,013
Speaker 2: then there is when you're on a paper road. So

1836
01:23:18,133 --> 01:23:20,372
Speaker 2: on a paper road you get the same insurance as

1837
01:23:20,412 --> 01:23:24,293
Speaker 2: if you were on a normal you know, state road,

1838
01:23:24,412 --> 01:23:28,652
Speaker 2: right right, Yeah, So that might be why the four

1839
01:23:28,732 --> 01:23:31,612
Speaker 2: by fourests, if that's what you'd call them, want to

1840
01:23:31,652 --> 01:23:33,692
Speaker 2: go hard up a paper road because you know, if

1841
01:23:33,732 --> 01:23:35,812
Speaker 2: they run into a tree, then they get that. They

1842
01:23:35,893 --> 01:23:38,213
Speaker 2: get this, you know, the insurance pays out the same

1843
01:23:38,293 --> 01:23:40,372
Speaker 2: as if they were on you know, just a normal road.

1844
01:23:40,492 --> 01:23:42,213
Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense if you are a four

1845
01:23:42,253 --> 01:23:44,133
Speaker 3: by four, I love to hear from you if that's true.

1846
01:23:44,732 --> 01:23:47,452
Speaker 2: As someone who uses paper roads for dock excess, plenty

1847
01:23:47,492 --> 01:23:49,692
Speaker 2: of these landowners want to close them off to maintain

1848
01:23:49,692 --> 01:23:53,173
Speaker 2: their private access to public land. Many are made so

1849
01:23:53,333 --> 01:23:58,093
Speaker 2: inaccessible to vehicles by design. A good example is stonewall

1850
01:23:58,293 --> 01:24:01,892
Speaker 2: in the wire Rappa three three five hundred submissions recently

1851
01:24:01,893 --> 01:24:04,132
Speaker 2: eighty five percent oposed to closing it, yet the council

1852
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:07,213
Speaker 2: still did. It's now a four plus hour walk to

1853
01:24:07,253 --> 01:24:09,612
Speaker 2: get to the beautiful land, and many examples of stations

1854
01:24:09,652 --> 01:24:13,093
Speaker 2: in the South Island doing the same thing controversial.

1855
01:24:13,173 --> 01:24:15,372
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1856
01:24:15,372 --> 01:24:17,772
Speaker 3: to call if you've had some problems with paper roads.

1857
01:24:17,812 --> 01:24:19,852
Speaker 3: We want to hear from you. Beg very shortly. It

1858
01:24:20,013 --> 01:24:23,612
Speaker 3: is fourteen pass three. This talk said be seventeen pass three.

1859
01:24:24,412 --> 01:24:26,293
Speaker 4: So now for four hours we've been hearing from Cat

1860
01:24:26,333 --> 01:24:27,333
Speaker 4: about these pies. Tyler.

1861
01:24:27,532 --> 01:24:28,772
Speaker 3: Yes, it's been a lot.

1862
01:24:29,532 --> 01:24:30,412
Speaker 4: I want to see you pies.

1863
01:24:30,532 --> 01:24:32,253
Speaker 2: And then we just got another text from her saying

1864
01:24:32,333 --> 01:24:35,972
Speaker 2: send your address and I'll be there with pies before

1865
01:24:36,053 --> 01:24:36,932
Speaker 2: mid day tomorrow morning.

1866
01:24:37,133 --> 01:24:39,812
Speaker 3: Yes, Cat, yes, right, I'm going to reply right now.

1867
01:24:40,213 --> 01:24:42,772
Speaker 3: You do the address, yep, and we there's been a

1868
01:24:42,812 --> 01:24:44,133
Speaker 3: lot of talk of these pies, so they better be

1869
01:24:44,213 --> 01:24:45,732
Speaker 3: good care. I'm sure they will be.

1870
01:24:47,053 --> 01:24:48,492
Speaker 4: Nothing back from Donnie on the Ballberry.

1871
01:24:48,612 --> 01:24:50,452
Speaker 2: You know this isn't one of those practical jokes where

1872
01:24:50,612 --> 01:24:53,372
Speaker 2: cat texts us all show saying I'm going to bring

1873
01:24:53,492 --> 01:24:56,333
Speaker 2: pies in, and then we say yes, and then she

1874
01:24:56,452 --> 01:24:58,173
Speaker 2: comes in and then there's a pie in the face gag.

1875
01:24:58,452 --> 01:24:59,772
Speaker 2: That's not going to be able to talk about. I'm

1876
01:24:59,772 --> 01:25:01,772
Speaker 2: assuming these are meat pies and not. She's just going

1877
01:25:01,853 --> 01:25:03,692
Speaker 2: to come in and be a full clown show slap

1878
01:25:03,812 --> 01:25:04,852
Speaker 2: slap pie in each face.

1879
01:25:05,173 --> 01:25:07,452
Speaker 3: I say, let's roll the dice. Either way we're getting

1880
01:25:07,492 --> 01:25:09,772
Speaker 3: the pie either the face or in our face.

1881
01:25:09,973 --> 01:25:12,333
Speaker 4: See that's true. I mean even if she pie of

1882
01:25:12,333 --> 01:25:14,492
Speaker 4: the face would still be there's still be something. Yeah, exactly,

1883
01:25:14,652 --> 01:25:17,612
Speaker 4: still pass the day. David's you've got a paper road

1884
01:25:17,692 --> 01:25:18,652
Speaker 4: shared with two neighbors.

1885
01:25:19,973 --> 01:25:24,892
Speaker 7: Yes, so I drive down where I come in my driveway,

1886
01:25:25,013 --> 01:25:27,052
Speaker 7: I've got a paper road run down beside my place,

1887
01:25:27,093 --> 01:25:30,053
Speaker 7: shared with the name on my right and across the

1888
01:25:30,213 --> 01:25:32,812
Speaker 7: creek from me. The paper road goes into the other

1889
01:25:32,893 --> 01:25:35,973
Speaker 7: neighbors place. Had a few debates about it, went to

1890
01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:38,852
Speaker 7: the council and found that if the paper road has

1891
01:25:38,933 --> 01:25:43,732
Speaker 7: not been formed and no one can use it, what

1892
01:25:43,893 --> 01:25:46,293
Speaker 7: it mean formed, Well, it has to.

1893
01:25:46,293 --> 01:25:48,532
Speaker 5: Be like a paper road on paper.

1894
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:52,053
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's just a paper road. A paper road

1895
01:25:52,093 --> 01:25:53,933
Speaker 7: that's had it dug out and put shingles so that

1896
01:25:53,933 --> 01:25:57,012
Speaker 7: it's going to be driven down. That's a formed paper road.

1897
01:25:57,213 --> 01:25:57,772
Speaker 4: But what about this?

1898
01:25:57,772 --> 01:26:00,133
Speaker 2: Some of these paper roads are just tracks, like there's

1899
01:26:00,173 --> 01:26:03,452
Speaker 2: been enough cars driving up them that there's there's two

1900
01:26:03,772 --> 01:26:06,652
Speaker 2: tracks through the through the grass. Is that enough to

1901
01:26:06,732 --> 01:26:07,652
Speaker 2: be considered formed?

1902
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:10,532
Speaker 14: David, No, No, it's three.

1903
01:26:11,853 --> 01:26:13,972
Speaker 7: I went through this because we had a whole big

1904
01:26:14,093 --> 01:26:17,452
Speaker 7: horse treck coming through the place without even asking, and

1905
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:20,812
Speaker 7: one of the horses broke the leg because we pulled

1906
01:26:20,812 --> 01:26:22,692
Speaker 7: the fence out down the middle of the paper road

1907
01:26:22,732 --> 01:26:25,412
Speaker 7: and shifted back to the boundaries, and it stood in

1908
01:26:25,452 --> 01:26:27,093
Speaker 7: the hole and broke its leg. And that's because they

1909
01:26:27,173 --> 01:26:31,612
Speaker 7: never bothered, bothered asking anyone. So I went and found

1910
01:26:31,652 --> 01:26:36,013
Speaker 7: out the legal termination and the termination and you're not

1911
01:26:36,093 --> 01:26:38,812
Speaker 7: allowed to use the paper roads without the permission of

1912
01:26:39,133 --> 01:26:43,013
Speaker 7: the home owners. And you can't just go on to

1913
01:26:43,093 --> 01:26:46,253
Speaker 7: paper road if it hasn't had an actual roadway formed

1914
01:26:46,293 --> 01:26:46,492
Speaker 7: on it.

1915
01:26:47,772 --> 01:26:49,972
Speaker 3: So you've looked it up, David, You know you've done

1916
01:26:49,973 --> 01:26:53,013
Speaker 3: the research here, But is that so? Where did you

1917
01:26:53,133 --> 01:26:55,532
Speaker 3: read that? Because everything I was looked saying if it's

1918
01:26:55,532 --> 01:26:58,253
Speaker 3: a paper road, that's the legal property of a council

1919
01:26:58,333 --> 01:27:00,053
Speaker 3: or NZTA and anybody could use it.

1920
01:27:01,173 --> 01:27:06,132
Speaker 7: No, it's until it's a formed road, it's not actually

1921
01:27:06,372 --> 01:27:10,812
Speaker 7: usable because this one goes right up and through and

1922
01:27:10,893 --> 01:27:14,852
Speaker 7: into the forest and everything, and that no one uses

1923
01:27:14,933 --> 01:27:17,173
Speaker 7: our paper oder. We just had these horse trek people

1924
01:27:17,812 --> 01:27:20,412
Speaker 7: come and use it once perfectly, and I've never done

1925
01:27:20,412 --> 01:27:20,732
Speaker 7: it again.

1926
01:27:20,853 --> 01:27:22,372
Speaker 2: Can you can you tell us the story of that?

1927
01:27:22,492 --> 01:27:26,133
Speaker 2: That sounds like a horrific story. So what were your

1928
01:27:26,213 --> 01:27:28,253
Speaker 2: dealings with the horse with the broken leg? Do you

1929
01:27:28,333 --> 01:27:30,333
Speaker 2: have to go up and help or what happened then?

1930
01:27:30,412 --> 01:27:30,452
Speaker 5: No?

1931
01:27:31,812 --> 01:27:34,093
Speaker 7: I wondered what was going on and went over there,

1932
01:27:34,133 --> 01:27:36,973
Speaker 7: and they'd already wrung someone else to come up, and

1933
01:27:37,013 --> 01:27:38,772
Speaker 7: they put the horse down and took it away. But

1934
01:27:38,893 --> 01:27:41,692
Speaker 7: as I said to the lead guys, what the hell

1935
01:27:41,772 --> 01:27:44,253
Speaker 7: he is doing here? If if they had asked me,

1936
01:27:44,372 --> 01:27:47,572
Speaker 7: I would have said, okay, they could have used it,

1937
01:27:48,053 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 7: But they didn't ask me, and therefore they weren't aware

1938
01:27:51,372 --> 01:27:52,932
Speaker 7: of any of the hazards that were on it, which

1939
01:27:52,973 --> 01:27:55,772
Speaker 7: were post holes, because we just shifted the fences.

1940
01:27:55,973 --> 01:27:58,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the sensible thing was to come and

1941
01:27:58,333 --> 01:28:01,892
Speaker 2: talk to the landowners in the area and just say, look,

1942
01:28:01,973 --> 01:28:04,333
Speaker 2: heads up, I'm going through there is that okay, And

1943
01:28:04,692 --> 01:28:05,652
Speaker 2: then you would have told them.

1944
01:28:07,133 --> 01:28:10,492
Speaker 7: Conception people just because it's a paper road, they're allowed

1945
01:28:10,492 --> 01:28:12,253
Speaker 7: to go up there. But it's only a paper road

1946
01:28:12,452 --> 01:28:13,532
Speaker 7: on paper.

1947
01:28:14,492 --> 01:28:16,972
Speaker 2: But what about people that say that you don't own

1948
01:28:17,812 --> 01:28:20,093
Speaker 2: you only own the land either side of the paper road.

1949
01:28:20,133 --> 01:28:24,412
Speaker 2: The paper road is belongs to to you know whatever

1950
01:28:24,492 --> 01:28:24,893
Speaker 2: news it?

1951
01:28:25,853 --> 01:28:31,452
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it doesn't your own to your boundary which

1952
01:28:31,532 --> 01:28:34,732
Speaker 7: is alongside the paper road, but you have full right

1953
01:28:34,893 --> 01:28:37,732
Speaker 7: access to use to the middle of the paper road

1954
01:28:37,812 --> 01:28:38,852
Speaker 7: shared with your neighbor.

1955
01:28:39,452 --> 01:28:42,133
Speaker 4: Interesting. Thank you for you the horrible story about the horse.

1956
01:28:42,293 --> 01:28:43,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel sorry for the horse.

1957
01:28:43,572 --> 01:28:44,253
Speaker 4: I remember once my.

1958
01:28:44,333 --> 01:28:46,492
Speaker 2: Dad buried a horse. You know, when a horse goes

1959
01:28:46,532 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 2: down on the farm, that's a big hole.

1960
01:28:48,612 --> 01:28:50,932
Speaker 4: That's a big hole. Had a big animal. He had

1961
01:28:50,933 --> 01:28:53,452
Speaker 4: to dig a big hole, but he didn't it dig

1962
01:28:53,532 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 4: it big enough and there was just one one hoof

1963
01:28:57,893 --> 01:28:58,772
Speaker 4: sticking out of the hole.

1964
01:28:58,893 --> 01:29:01,253
Speaker 3: I should love it that but that's quite an image

1965
01:29:01,293 --> 01:29:04,372
Speaker 3: to Yeah, I mean, you know, how deep does your

1966
01:29:04,412 --> 01:29:06,612
Speaker 3: dad want to digive? That's enough? It's enough.

1967
01:29:06,853 --> 01:29:08,732
Speaker 4: Well, I got most of it in there. That was

1968
01:29:08,772 --> 01:29:11,692
Speaker 4: a sixteen hand horse. It's a big hole, that is.

1969
01:29:11,893 --> 01:29:13,572
Speaker 3: And I've got small hands as well. That's a big horse.

1970
01:29:13,652 --> 01:29:14,852
Speaker 4: Shannon was the horse's name?

1971
01:29:15,492 --> 01:29:15,732
Speaker 3: Did he?

1972
01:29:15,893 --> 01:29:16,093
Speaker 6: Wow?

1973
01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:17,933
Speaker 3: I was going to do.

1974
01:29:17,933 --> 01:29:19,973
Speaker 4: You know what's suspicious about this? My dad dug the

1975
01:29:20,013 --> 01:29:22,973
Speaker 4: hole before the horse died. Suggested to me that it

1976
01:29:23,093 --> 01:29:27,012
Speaker 4: was that that horse was scheduled for Bury Hill before

1977
01:29:27,053 --> 01:29:27,532
Speaker 4: it was.

1978
01:29:27,572 --> 01:29:28,692
Speaker 3: It was it limping beforehand.

1979
01:29:28,933 --> 01:29:30,692
Speaker 4: Shannon was a real a hole that horse.

1980
01:29:30,812 --> 01:29:31,173
Speaker 19: Oh was it?

1981
01:29:31,532 --> 01:29:33,532
Speaker 4: Yeah? You could there was there was. He just put

1982
01:29:33,772 --> 01:29:37,053
Speaker 4: Shannon pushed your dad too far, obviously. Shannon tried to

1983
01:29:37,093 --> 01:29:37,732
Speaker 4: kill me once.

1984
01:29:39,093 --> 01:29:40,372
Speaker 3: I could see why it's a hole now.

1985
01:29:42,053 --> 01:29:44,652
Speaker 2: I was sledding through on it, you know, on you know,

1986
01:29:44,732 --> 01:29:47,053
Speaker 2: there was a big snowfall. I was sledding through and

1987
01:29:47,133 --> 01:29:47,972
Speaker 2: Shannon came at.

1988
01:29:47,893 --> 01:29:54,093
Speaker 3: Me anyway, rip Shannon, Yeah, with your hoof sticking out

1989
01:29:54,133 --> 01:29:54,532
Speaker 3: of the ground.

1990
01:29:54,893 --> 01:29:58,612
Speaker 4: That that get got cut off and then dug and

1991
01:29:58,652 --> 01:29:59,692
Speaker 4: then put in a smaller hole.

1992
01:29:59,933 --> 01:30:01,812
Speaker 3: Your old man's a hard man, all right. It is

1993
01:30:01,853 --> 01:30:04,173
Speaker 3: twenty two past three. We've got full boards at the moment.

1994
01:30:04,293 --> 01:30:07,173
Speaker 3: Love to hear your stories about paper road problems back

1995
01:30:07,213 --> 01:30:07,612
Speaker 3: in the mow.

1996
01:30:12,053 --> 01:30:15,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1997
01:30:15,812 --> 01:30:17,532
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youthed Talk, said.

1998
01:30:17,372 --> 01:30:19,692
Speaker 3: The twenty five past three. We have been talking about

1999
01:30:19,812 --> 01:30:21,852
Speaker 3: paper roads, but there's quite a few people that need

2000
01:30:21,933 --> 01:30:23,772
Speaker 3: to hear more about Shannon, the horse who tried to

2001
01:30:23,853 --> 01:30:25,893
Speaker 3: attack you and ended up in the ground with a

2002
01:30:25,933 --> 01:30:26,532
Speaker 3: hoof hanging out.

2003
01:30:26,612 --> 01:30:29,612
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's suspicious that the hole the

2004
01:30:29,692 --> 01:30:33,732
Speaker 2: Bobcap bobcat turned up dug the hole and then Shannon

2005
01:30:33,973 --> 01:30:37,612
Speaker 2: passed away, because you got a lot of euthanasia going

2006
01:30:37,652 --> 01:30:40,932
Speaker 2: on on our farm when I was group, But Shannon

2007
01:30:41,053 --> 01:30:43,093
Speaker 2: was real a hell. Anyway, we're not talking about that.

2008
01:30:43,372 --> 01:30:45,933
Speaker 2: So someone we just had this call before that was

2009
01:30:46,013 --> 01:30:49,333
Speaker 2: saying that the farmer doesn't have to give access if

2010
01:30:49,492 --> 01:30:53,133
Speaker 2: the road is unformed the paper road. This special says

2011
01:30:53,133 --> 01:30:55,333
Speaker 2: that guy's wrong. I just googled the legal definition and

2012
01:30:55,372 --> 01:30:58,612
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be formed. Access is Steve, where

2013
01:30:58,612 --> 01:31:00,253
Speaker 2: as Ben says he's on hundred percent correct. If the

2014
01:31:00,333 --> 01:31:02,932
Speaker 2: road is not formed, then the council is liable if

2015
01:31:02,973 --> 01:31:07,013
Speaker 2: they grant access. Right So and this text says, the

2016
01:31:07,053 --> 01:31:09,932
Speaker 2: point is that they don't own paper. The farmer can

2017
01:31:10,093 --> 01:31:12,452
Speaker 2: use it for grazing or fence it off just like

2018
01:31:12,572 --> 01:31:15,333
Speaker 2: any other boundary. It was there when they purchased the property.

2019
01:31:15,532 --> 01:31:17,853
Speaker 2: It's not their property. That last call is incorrect.

2020
01:31:18,253 --> 01:31:19,933
Speaker 3: Well that's put a spanner in the works, isn't it.

2021
01:31:20,093 --> 01:31:22,532
Speaker 2: Well I've just looked this up here and it says

2022
01:31:22,732 --> 01:31:25,692
Speaker 2: the public has the right to use unformed legal roads

2023
01:31:25,732 --> 01:31:29,412
Speaker 2: colloquially known as paper roads to access the outdoors. I

2024
01:31:29,492 --> 01:31:32,572
Speaker 2: think I mean by definition they're semi unformed. You know,

2025
01:31:33,133 --> 01:31:39,812
Speaker 2: they're not fully No agency has maintained or laid the road.

2026
01:31:40,612 --> 01:31:44,173
Speaker 2: Unformed legal roads are exactly what their name suggests, parcels

2027
01:31:44,173 --> 01:31:47,733
Speaker 2: of land designated as legal roads but not physically constructed.

2028
01:31:48,213 --> 01:31:51,732
Speaker 2: They have not been graveled, metaled, sealed, or permanently surfaced

2029
01:31:51,772 --> 01:31:55,133
Speaker 2: by a council or NZTA. They can be a great

2030
01:31:55,213 --> 01:31:57,972
Speaker 2: recreational as set priding public access to the outdoors.

2031
01:31:58,013 --> 01:31:58,852
Speaker 4: However, they are.

2032
01:31:58,853 --> 01:32:03,972
Speaker 2: Often indistinguishable from private land and aren't shown on topo maps.

2033
01:32:04,293 --> 01:32:08,253
Speaker 2: Local councils responsible for ensuring legal access to unformed legal roads.

2034
01:32:08,532 --> 01:32:10,732
Speaker 2: They are not obliged to form or obtain the roads

2035
01:32:10,893 --> 01:32:13,053
Speaker 2: as part of their managed road network. They are not

2036
01:32:13,133 --> 01:32:16,093
Speaker 2: obliged to form or maintain the roads as part of

2037
01:32:16,213 --> 01:32:17,293
Speaker 2: their managed road network.

2038
01:32:17,293 --> 01:32:19,852
Speaker 4: Why did it say that this is a terrible governmental side.

2039
01:32:19,893 --> 01:32:20,732
Speaker 4: It's got the same.

2040
01:32:20,572 --> 01:32:23,253
Speaker 3: Sentence twice ai chet GPT.

2041
01:32:23,732 --> 01:32:23,932
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2042
01:32:24,652 --> 01:32:26,932
Speaker 2: New Zealand has about fifty five thousand companies of unformed

2043
01:32:27,013 --> 01:32:30,492
Speaker 2: legal roads. Most are one chain wide an imperial measurement

2044
01:32:30,933 --> 01:32:35,253
Speaker 2: equivalent to two point twenty point twelve meters.

2045
01:32:35,572 --> 01:32:36,532
Speaker 4: Wow, that's quite wide.

2046
01:32:37,053 --> 01:32:39,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that would mean David is wrong that it

2047
01:32:39,293 --> 01:32:42,013
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter the state of the paper roads. It

2048
01:32:42,173 --> 01:32:44,772
Speaker 3: does not belong to the landowner. It belongs to the

2049
01:32:44,812 --> 01:32:47,612
Speaker 3: local council, ends inta. It doesn't matter if it's semi formed,

2050
01:32:47,772 --> 01:32:49,932
Speaker 3: unformed whatever. Yeah, it's not your land.

2051
01:32:49,973 --> 01:32:50,892
Speaker 4: It's just a line. Yeah.

2052
01:32:50,933 --> 01:32:54,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can hit your your bloody cattle, can graze

2053
01:32:54,893 --> 01:32:56,732
Speaker 2: on it, you can bury your horse on it, whatever

2054
01:32:56,732 --> 01:32:57,932
Speaker 2: you want, but it's not yours.

2055
01:32:59,812 --> 01:33:01,532
Speaker 4: Get a k tell you mate.

2056
01:33:03,812 --> 01:33:06,412
Speaker 6: Yeah, how you've been listening to your discussion of the

2057
01:33:06,492 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 6: paper rows for some time. It has been going for

2058
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:16,892
Speaker 6: some time, I guess, having spent about twenty plus years

2059
01:33:16,973 --> 01:33:19,772
Speaker 6: as a roading Assey Management local authority, I've seen it

2060
01:33:19,933 --> 01:33:22,692
Speaker 6: or do or have done it all. And you last

2061
01:33:22,772 --> 01:33:25,053
Speaker 6: comments that you made a pretty well stolen a lot

2062
01:33:25,093 --> 01:33:27,972
Speaker 6: of the thunder, I mean, just some of the basics. Yes,

2063
01:33:28,572 --> 01:33:30,893
Speaker 6: a paper road isn't formed, and that's got nothing to

2064
01:33:30,973 --> 01:33:35,333
Speaker 6: do with any Bodlem council maintainer and formed road of course,

2065
01:33:35,333 --> 01:33:37,893
Speaker 6: because there's nothing here to maintain. It's a bit like

2066
01:33:38,093 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 6: you know, trying to paint your house when you've only

2067
01:33:39,652 --> 01:33:40,253
Speaker 6: got the plans.

2068
01:33:42,532 --> 01:33:43,492
Speaker 4: That's very good analogy.

2069
01:33:44,933 --> 01:33:48,572
Speaker 6: You can you cannot know what he can deny public

2070
01:33:48,652 --> 01:33:50,852
Speaker 6: access to these roads. They are open to the public

2071
01:33:50,893 --> 01:33:53,612
Speaker 6: at all times. A couple other points that have come

2072
01:33:53,692 --> 01:33:56,133
Speaker 6: up during the day, is that a farmer I who's

2073
01:33:56,133 --> 01:33:58,372
Speaker 6: got stocked there. Yes, you can put a cattle stop

2074
01:33:58,452 --> 01:34:03,612
Speaker 6: across a paper road, or he can put a gate

2075
01:34:03,692 --> 01:34:06,973
Speaker 6: on it. Now the gate, so I think you go

2076
01:34:07,133 --> 01:34:09,652
Speaker 6: there with the approval of the authority, which we've already

2077
01:34:09,692 --> 01:34:13,372
Speaker 6: talked about is the road controlling authority. That cannot be

2078
01:34:13,492 --> 01:34:16,732
Speaker 6: locked and it must have a sign on it to

2079
01:34:16,812 --> 01:34:20,333
Speaker 6: say it is a paper road and public access is permitted.

2080
01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:25,012
Speaker 6: So that's I guess that's my experiences over the years

2081
01:34:25,053 --> 01:34:28,893
Speaker 6: of dealing with these things. But the other side of it,

2082
01:34:29,173 --> 01:34:31,892
Speaker 6: which is more interesting is the way they get used.

2083
01:34:32,532 --> 01:34:35,293
Speaker 6: And you've heard many stories coming through this afternoon. I

2084
01:34:35,372 --> 01:34:37,652
Speaker 6: guess I'll just give you one little one that I've

2085
01:34:37,692 --> 01:34:40,852
Speaker 6: got here that I experienced whilst working for the council.

2086
01:34:41,492 --> 01:34:47,052
Speaker 6: Having been through all the other previous things. The farmer

2087
01:34:47,173 --> 01:34:48,812
Speaker 6: rang us up and said, hey, well look this is

2088
01:34:48,812 --> 01:34:51,133
Speaker 6: all very well. They've got access, but these guys are

2089
01:34:51,173 --> 01:34:53,732
Speaker 6: coming down here shooting my lambs. I'm going out in

2090
01:34:53,772 --> 01:34:56,132
Speaker 6: the morning finding all the indid's all over the paddock

2091
01:34:56,213 --> 01:34:58,412
Speaker 6: and the car get's gone. He said, I want to

2092
01:34:58,452 --> 01:35:00,612
Speaker 6: lock the gate, and I said, well, unfortunately you can't.

2093
01:35:01,253 --> 01:35:04,173
Speaker 6: So I guess that's one of the and the users

2094
01:35:04,213 --> 01:35:07,372
Speaker 6: you've talked about before, wheel drive users. Yes, they are

2095
01:35:07,612 --> 01:35:09,772
Speaker 6: main to a lot of areas around the place the

2096
01:35:09,812 --> 01:35:14,253
Speaker 6: way they disrespect people's private land and paper roads. So

2097
01:35:15,253 --> 01:35:17,133
Speaker 6: that's really it from the horse's mouth, I guess.

2098
01:35:18,013 --> 01:35:21,253
Speaker 2: So is there legal obligations for the people that use

2099
01:35:21,333 --> 01:35:23,732
Speaker 2: the road, so you know, as you say that the

2100
01:35:24,452 --> 01:35:28,893
Speaker 2: farmer has to give access and mark the thing is

2101
01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:33,093
Speaker 2: there is there responsibilities for the people using the road

2102
01:35:33,532 --> 01:35:35,892
Speaker 2: outside of just general legal You can't go and shoot

2103
01:35:35,973 --> 01:35:37,892
Speaker 2: someone's lands.

2104
01:35:39,173 --> 01:35:41,013
Speaker 6: I think as a COURTI I don't think there's that

2105
01:35:41,293 --> 01:35:44,212
Speaker 6: my knowledge is a legal requirement, But as a courtesy,

2106
01:35:44,293 --> 01:35:48,812
Speaker 6: one would imagine that you would approach the adjoining owner

2107
01:35:48,893 --> 01:35:52,093
Speaker 6: or the owner who's paper road that went through, you know,

2108
01:35:52,572 --> 01:35:55,973
Speaker 6: as a courtesy the way we actually deal with is

2109
01:35:56,013 --> 01:35:57,892
Speaker 6: to try and stop it, because there was a bit

2110
01:35:57,893 --> 01:36:02,012
Speaker 6: of unfortunate situation I'm talking about. The farmer's track actually

2111
01:36:02,093 --> 01:36:04,492
Speaker 6: started off on the paper road, then some ten or

2112
01:36:04,532 --> 01:36:07,372
Speaker 6: twenty meters bear off onto his own land. Onto his

2113
01:36:07,452 --> 01:36:10,333
Speaker 6: own land. Now people thought that was a legal road.

2114
01:36:10,412 --> 01:36:13,092
Speaker 6: Of course it wasn't, so he was quite entitled defense

2115
01:36:13,133 --> 01:36:15,732
Speaker 6: that off. So the way we got around the legal

2116
01:36:15,812 --> 01:36:18,772
Speaker 6: part of it, we've got a series of white posts

2117
01:36:19,173 --> 01:36:21,173
Speaker 6: down the center of the legal rod with a little

2118
01:36:21,213 --> 01:36:24,892
Speaker 6: sign on it saying you're on a paper legal, legal

2119
01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:28,133
Speaker 6: paper road here if you stay within five meters either

2120
01:36:28,213 --> 01:36:30,772
Speaker 6: side of this white post. And that seemed to deal

2121
01:36:30,853 --> 01:36:31,892
Speaker 6: with most of the issues.

2122
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:34,893
Speaker 9: I mean, it is.

2123
01:36:35,013 --> 01:36:37,053
Speaker 3: It sounds complicated for a lot of farmers. But the

2124
01:36:37,213 --> 01:36:39,452
Speaker 3: previous caller, David, you've cleared that up, grount. But I

2125
01:36:39,532 --> 01:36:42,133
Speaker 3: imagine there's a lot of land owners out there with

2126
01:36:42,253 --> 01:36:45,053
Speaker 3: paper roads within there or close to their boundaries that

2127
01:36:45,173 --> 01:36:47,972
Speaker 3: get confused and think of it's not formed or doesn't

2128
01:36:48,013 --> 01:36:48,612
Speaker 3: have good access.

2129
01:36:48,772 --> 01:36:49,812
Speaker 4: Then they've got control of it.

2130
01:36:51,213 --> 01:36:53,772
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I guess that is the case. But look,

2131
01:36:54,093 --> 01:36:56,972
Speaker 6: I think every probably every local authority in the country

2132
01:36:57,013 --> 01:37:00,253
Speaker 6: will have paper roads I know my neighboring authority. My

2133
01:37:00,492 --> 01:37:03,133
Speaker 6: counterpart over there was he had as much trouble as

2134
01:37:03,213 --> 01:37:07,412
Speaker 6: I did. Because apart from us knowing what's illegal and

2135
01:37:07,532 --> 01:37:10,692
Speaker 6: what's not, maybe the farmer knowing in some cases or

2136
01:37:10,732 --> 01:37:13,333
Speaker 6: not knowing. There's certainly a group of people within the

2137
01:37:13,412 --> 01:37:18,852
Speaker 6: country fully know their legal rights as with in regards

2138
01:37:18,893 --> 01:37:24,013
Speaker 6: to access onto these unformed roads. So and as I say,

2139
01:37:24,093 --> 01:37:26,412
Speaker 6: some of them treat it with respect and others just

2140
01:37:26,492 --> 01:37:26,933
Speaker 6: abuse it.

2141
01:37:27,492 --> 01:37:29,893
Speaker 2: I guess if the's the farm has been in a

2142
01:37:29,973 --> 01:37:32,532
Speaker 2: family for a very long time, most people would be

2143
01:37:32,612 --> 01:37:36,372
Speaker 2: buying a farm and knowing the status of the paper

2144
01:37:36,452 --> 01:37:38,213
Speaker 2: roads on the farm that they're buying.

2145
01:37:39,933 --> 01:37:42,093
Speaker 6: I guess one would know, one would hope. So if

2146
01:37:42,093 --> 01:37:44,812
Speaker 6: they had a distent lawyer who were doing the transaction

2147
01:37:44,973 --> 01:37:46,612
Speaker 6: for them, I'd be pointing that out.

2148
01:37:46,812 --> 01:37:49,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you so much for your call, Grant,

2149
01:37:49,173 --> 01:37:50,652
Speaker 2: and thanks for clearing up those issues.

2150
01:37:50,732 --> 01:37:54,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting, right, got the headlines with Raylen coming

2151
01:37:54,333 --> 01:37:54,852
Speaker 3: up next.

2152
01:37:54,973 --> 01:37:56,933
Speaker 4: It is twenty seven to.

2153
01:37:56,973 --> 01:38:00,572
Speaker 1: Four new talks.

2154
01:38:00,612 --> 01:38:04,293
Speaker 17: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

2155
01:38:04,372 --> 01:38:07,452
Speaker 17: with a blue bubble job. Losses are on the cards

2156
01:38:07,492 --> 01:38:10,973
Speaker 17: at Wellington City Council after an independent review called for

2157
01:38:11,133 --> 01:38:15,053
Speaker 17: large scale cuts. A Deloitte report argues the council has

2158
01:38:15,093 --> 01:38:18,652
Speaker 17: too many employees and suggests cutting three hundred and thirty

2159
01:38:18,772 --> 01:38:23,572
Speaker 17: full time roles. Police are investigating a fraud complaint over

2160
01:38:23,612 --> 01:38:27,692
Speaker 17: a motorcycle event claiming to be a charity fundraiser. Hart

2161
01:38:27,853 --> 01:38:31,252
Speaker 17: Kad's New Zealand says it doesn't endorse the ride scheduled

2162
01:38:31,293 --> 01:38:36,892
Speaker 17: for this Saturday in Waikato's Morinsville, despite organizers claims. Fon

2163
01:38:36,973 --> 01:38:40,293
Speaker 17: Terra still expects most dairy farmers to break even this season.

2164
01:38:40,692 --> 01:38:44,013
Speaker 17: It's lowered the forecast farmgate milk payout midpoint for this

2165
01:38:44,213 --> 01:38:48,772
Speaker 17: season from ten dollars to nine dollars fifty. In New Zealand,

2166
01:38:48,853 --> 01:38:52,012
Speaker 17: cabin crew are in full preparation mode for strike action

2167
01:38:52,173 --> 01:38:56,052
Speaker 17: in two weeks, despite crucial talks reportedly planned for tomorrow.

2168
01:38:57,173 --> 01:39:00,572
Speaker 17: Digitizing our health system will be no simple task. The

2169
01:39:00,652 --> 01:39:03,293
Speaker 17: government's launched a ten year plan to create a single

2170
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Speaker 4: RAI lean.

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Speaker 3: So we've got bogged down in paper road chat.

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Speaker 4: Yep, we've got bogged down on the paper roads. We're

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Speaker 4: still on there. We've got full lines.

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Speaker 3: We've got full lines.

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Speaker 2: Who knew I know, who knew it was such a

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01:39:27,093 --> 01:39:30,972
Speaker 2: hot topic, paper roads. We've got thousands of texts coming through,

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01:39:31,532 --> 01:39:33,213
Speaker 2: so many people to try and ring, and so.

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01:39:34,692 --> 01:39:37,213
Speaker 3: Let's take it to four o'clock. We're going yep. We

2183
01:39:37,333 --> 01:39:39,053
Speaker 3: might even kick hither out and just keep it going

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01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:40,213
Speaker 3: paper road chat all night.

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01:39:40,293 --> 01:39:42,213
Speaker 2: We've got to let people have this say, but before

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01:39:42,213 --> 01:39:44,213
Speaker 2: we continue, because we never know when people have tuned

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01:39:44,253 --> 01:39:46,852
Speaker 2: in or not. What is a paper road? Because we

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01:39:47,053 --> 01:39:48,652
Speaker 2: did about half an hour chat and then I looked

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01:39:48,692 --> 01:39:50,253
Speaker 2: at the text machine. There's about twenty people saying I

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01:39:50,253 --> 01:39:51,452
Speaker 2: don't know what a paper roads. And to be fair,

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01:39:51,492 --> 01:39:52,973
Speaker 2: I didn't know what a paper road was before we

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01:39:53,013 --> 01:39:53,612
Speaker 2: started this chat.

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01:39:53,612 --> 01:39:56,452
Speaker 3: It's a very fair question. So a paper road is

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01:39:56,492 --> 01:39:58,652
Speaker 3: simply part of a legal road network that has not

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01:39:58,772 --> 01:40:01,532
Speaker 3: formed or maintained by the road in authority local roads

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01:40:01,572 --> 01:40:04,892
Speaker 3: that actually council state highways. It's n ZTA, so anybody

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01:40:05,013 --> 01:40:07,812
Speaker 3: can use it. It's owned by the public. But a

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01:40:07,893 --> 01:40:09,852
Speaker 3: lot of them kind of go nowhere, and a lot

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01:40:09,893 --> 01:40:11,852
Speaker 3: of them are by private land as well.

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Speaker 2: It is illegal to fire a rifle on public land,

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Speaker 2: So as a paper road is public land, you cannot

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01:40:18,053 --> 01:40:18,492
Speaker 2: hunt on it.

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01:40:18,652 --> 01:40:23,092
Speaker 3: Interesting, that makes sense, but yeah, I mean the paper.

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01:40:22,933 --> 01:40:25,093
Speaker 2: Road has to go somewhere, So I don't think you

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01:40:25,133 --> 01:40:26,972
Speaker 2: can go on the paper road and then just start

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01:40:27,093 --> 01:40:30,372
Speaker 2: shooting stuff off the paper road on someone's property, because

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01:40:30,652 --> 01:40:33,173
Speaker 2: it's the farmer's property the side of the paper road, right,

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01:40:33,612 --> 01:40:35,293
Speaker 2: So you can use the paper road to get somewhere

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01:40:35,333 --> 01:40:37,452
Speaker 2: to go hunting, you can't do the hunting on the

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01:40:37,492 --> 01:40:39,732
Speaker 2: farmer's land, if you see what I'm saying, without their permission.

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01:40:39,812 --> 01:40:41,013
Speaker 3: That's straight up poaching, I think.

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01:40:42,492 --> 01:40:44,333
Speaker 4: Especially you can't go hunting Lamb.

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01:40:45,053 --> 01:40:46,972
Speaker 3: No, No, that's the farmer's land.

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01:40:47,372 --> 01:40:50,932
Speaker 4: Andrew, you've got some stories about paper roads.

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01:40:52,013 --> 01:40:56,972
Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry drag this topic on, but I'm enjoying it. Yeah,

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01:40:57,572 --> 01:41:01,092
Speaker 6: we're both farmed and worked on for what it access

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01:41:01,253 --> 01:41:05,012
Speaker 6: on paper roads, I think. Yeah, this thing of excess

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01:41:06,093 --> 01:41:08,052
Speaker 6: there's a little bit confusing. You have to grunt public

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01:41:08,133 --> 01:41:10,532
Speaker 6: x is, but nowhere in the legislation does it say

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01:41:10,532 --> 01:41:13,213
Speaker 6: it's vehicle access, So you don't have to have a gate.

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01:41:13,532 --> 01:41:16,732
Speaker 6: You don't have to have a track. You just cannot

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01:41:16,772 --> 01:41:19,093
Speaker 6: deny public access, which is mean hopping the fence and

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01:41:19,133 --> 01:41:23,092
Speaker 6: going for a war that many of them un maintained.

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01:41:23,133 --> 01:41:25,253
Speaker 6: You'll see a lot of farmers who will have as

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01:41:25,293 --> 01:41:27,812
Speaker 6: a last general see the track going away from the

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01:41:27,893 --> 01:41:31,173
Speaker 6: paper road, because if safe paper road, then you then

2227
01:41:31,452 --> 01:41:35,572
Speaker 6: you're incisionly grading the public access. Similarly, you'll see guys

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01:41:35,612 --> 01:41:38,173
Speaker 6: putting bridges in downstream from where the paper road gets

2229
01:41:38,213 --> 01:41:41,452
Speaker 6: them and going back to the paper roads. So again

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01:41:41,492 --> 01:41:44,213
Speaker 6: they can deny excess in terms of vehicles, but you

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01:41:44,372 --> 01:41:46,652
Speaker 6: cannot deny excess in terms of someone jumping the fence

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01:41:46,692 --> 01:41:49,012
Speaker 6: and going for a walk. So that's public excess taken

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01:41:49,053 --> 01:41:54,213
Speaker 6: care of. Then we pay rent on paper roads, sorry rates,

2234
01:41:55,372 --> 01:41:57,452
Speaker 6: so they're not excluded from our rates bill if they

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01:41:57,492 --> 01:42:00,652
Speaker 6: were a happy day, Oh they're not public land. We

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01:42:00,732 --> 01:42:05,093
Speaker 6: pay rate rates in the rate maps you go to

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01:42:05,093 --> 01:42:07,732
Speaker 6: the Need City Council. The Scots went mad and they

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01:42:07,772 --> 01:42:11,732
Speaker 6: put road everywhere, particularly up over the peninsula, left right

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01:42:11,772 --> 01:42:15,932
Speaker 6: and center Baldwyn Street. Nuts, isn't it the potinsils Even

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Speaker 6: worse is paper roads everywhere, But there's always people still

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01:42:19,412 --> 01:42:21,412
Speaker 6: pay rates on the total land package.

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01:42:21,772 --> 01:42:24,213
Speaker 2: That's and some of those paper roads are is it

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01:42:24,293 --> 01:42:26,612
Speaker 2: true that the paper road is considered to be twenty

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01:42:26,692 --> 01:42:27,293
Speaker 2: meters wide?

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01:42:28,732 --> 01:42:30,932
Speaker 6: They're all maps, so yeah, most of them were put

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01:42:30,973 --> 01:42:31,772
Speaker 6: on a chain.

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01:42:31,692 --> 01:42:33,372
Speaker 4: Or something like something like yeah, chain, which is I

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01:42:33,412 --> 01:42:36,293
Speaker 4: think is about twenty meters yeah one. Yeah, so that's

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01:42:36,333 --> 01:42:37,652
Speaker 4: a lot. That's a lot of land.

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Speaker 6: That's so they're never gazetted, which then is a legal

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01:42:42,093 --> 01:42:44,492
Speaker 6: road and you can form access. So they just say, well,

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01:42:44,492 --> 01:42:45,852
Speaker 6: this is we want to put a road, but they're

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01:42:45,893 --> 01:42:48,053
Speaker 6: never gazetted, which then is a road.

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01:42:48,973 --> 01:42:51,293
Speaker 4: But you can have livestock on them obviously, so I

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01:42:51,333 --> 01:42:51,812
Speaker 4: guess you.

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Speaker 6: Can farm and they're not fenced, then they can be

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01:42:54,572 --> 01:42:56,452
Speaker 6: in the middle of the paddick middle of a farm.

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01:42:57,173 --> 01:43:00,412
Speaker 6: Most of them are sort of you know, straight lines. Again,

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01:43:00,572 --> 01:43:03,532
Speaker 6: get on the DCC website, you zoom in on that

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01:43:03,612 --> 01:43:05,692
Speaker 6: peninsula and they're covered in paper roads.

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01:43:06,372 --> 01:43:07,812
Speaker 4: It kind of makes sense Andrew that.

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01:43:08,412 --> 01:43:11,053
Speaker 2: And it's not about car excess because a lot of

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01:43:11,093 --> 01:43:15,333
Speaker 2: these were when Queen Victoria asked Governor Hobson to grid

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01:43:15,412 --> 01:43:18,053
Speaker 2: up the whole place that was there was they were

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01:43:18,133 --> 01:43:19,452
Speaker 2: not cars around at that point.

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01:43:19,612 --> 01:43:21,732
Speaker 6: Well, just exactly that they said we'll put one here

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01:43:21,772 --> 01:43:23,173
Speaker 6: and we'll put one there, will get stuck in.

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01:43:24,732 --> 01:43:28,013
Speaker 2: Still, they were just covering their ass that they may

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01:43:28,053 --> 01:43:32,133
Speaker 2: be important arterial roots in the future, weren't they really

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01:43:32,173 --> 01:43:32,892
Speaker 2: when they when they.

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Speaker 6: They looking at lamb parcels as well, you know, watch

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01:43:36,333 --> 01:43:39,372
Speaker 6: someone farming and we croft in Scotland versus coming over

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01:43:39,412 --> 01:43:41,852
Speaker 6: here and maybe a few more acres than that. So yeah,

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01:43:42,053 --> 01:43:44,572
Speaker 6: and then it didn't make sense. You didn't need a

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01:43:44,652 --> 01:43:47,652
Speaker 6: village every ten ks, so you didn't need the road

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01:43:47,732 --> 01:43:51,372
Speaker 6: network the same. So they were just designed executly that

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01:43:51,973 --> 01:43:53,173
Speaker 6: as a bit of a thought and all, this is

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01:43:53,293 --> 01:43:55,572
Speaker 6: how we might do it. But it's never meant to

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01:43:55,652 --> 01:44:00,812
Speaker 6: be a road in any sense in the modern age.

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01:44:00,893 --> 01:44:03,293
Speaker 6: So as I say the excess thing, absolutely you have

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01:44:03,372 --> 01:44:05,652
Speaker 6: to give excess, but that's only walking access. You do

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01:44:05,772 --> 01:44:08,213
Speaker 6: not have to give vehicle access. And in fact, men

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01:44:08,772 --> 01:44:11,852
Speaker 6: many roads would bloody dangerous, but it's anyone to try

2284
01:44:11,893 --> 01:44:13,812
Speaker 6: and hit down. So you've just had a recently a

2285
01:44:14,133 --> 01:44:19,253
Speaker 6: local group try and claim full access to paper roads

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01:44:19,253 --> 01:44:20,892
Speaker 6: to go and develop that. So I've just been through

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01:44:20,973 --> 01:44:25,572
Speaker 6: this whole process as well. Again you cannot actually go

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01:44:25,772 --> 01:44:27,692
Speaker 6: in and claim access to the road.

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01:44:28,532 --> 01:44:30,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's no I mean, if you're paying rates

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01:44:31,013 --> 01:44:33,652
Speaker 3: on those paper roads that are not of any use

2291
01:44:33,732 --> 01:44:36,532
Speaker 3: to it there to anybody. But that that makes sense

2292
01:44:36,572 --> 01:44:38,532
Speaker 3: why the council wouldn't sell it to a landowner or

2293
01:44:38,572 --> 01:44:40,452
Speaker 3: get rid of them. They make it a tidy profit

2294
01:44:40,532 --> 01:44:43,972
Speaker 3: off those roads that go nowhere is this is the point.

2295
01:44:44,013 --> 01:44:47,932
Speaker 3: They're in our titles, right, Yeah, so they.

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01:44:47,973 --> 01:44:51,173
Speaker 6: Just look in any council ratemp and zs is a classic.

2297
01:44:51,412 --> 01:44:54,012
Speaker 6: They're all sitting in people's titles. They're not outside titles.

2298
01:44:54,293 --> 01:44:56,812
Speaker 6: There are roads, and there are leagans, but the majority

2299
01:44:56,812 --> 01:45:00,213
Speaker 6: of paper roads are sitting within titles. The Queen's change

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01:45:00,253 --> 01:45:03,173
Speaker 6: the odd one because that's obviously moved as vers of moves.

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01:45:03,532 --> 01:45:05,893
Speaker 6: Again that that gets a little bit more confusing. You know,

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01:45:06,013 --> 01:45:08,333
Speaker 6: people get excess to the Queen's chained, but the Queen's chained.

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01:45:09,293 --> 01:45:11,732
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, there's no any of the river these days.

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01:45:12,093 --> 01:45:15,013
Speaker 6: That's probably yeah, something else, maybe stopped for another day.

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01:45:15,133 --> 01:45:17,412
Speaker 5: But yeah, the.

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01:45:17,412 --> 01:45:20,333
Speaker 6: Public this one. You guys are completely right. But I'll

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01:45:20,333 --> 01:45:21,293
Speaker 6: come back to that at a point.

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01:45:21,333 --> 01:45:24,492
Speaker 2: That does not mean now, Andrew, when you talk about

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01:45:24,532 --> 01:45:28,253
Speaker 2: the peninsula and you talk about you know, them them

2310
01:45:28,333 --> 01:45:31,652
Speaker 2: cutting it up and the Victorian age. I think about Larnark,

2311
01:45:32,173 --> 01:45:36,013
Speaker 2: you know, in the eighteen seventies heading up the peninsula

2312
01:45:36,173 --> 01:45:38,372
Speaker 2: on there with horse and carriage used to take it

2313
01:45:38,492 --> 01:45:40,852
Speaker 2: used to take about six weeks for him to get

2314
01:45:40,893 --> 01:45:41,852
Speaker 2: up to his castle, didn't it.

2315
01:45:43,253 --> 01:45:45,692
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think in the endi made of wishing, didn't

2316
01:45:45,692 --> 01:45:50,253
Speaker 6: build a ray fact. I think history there. But yeah,

2317
01:45:50,333 --> 01:45:51,692
Speaker 6: I mean that's the thing. And there's a bit of

2318
01:45:51,893 --> 01:45:54,333
Speaker 6: a chief history in that peninsula road as well. Yeah,

2319
01:45:55,173 --> 01:46:00,933
Speaker 6: but it's it gets a bit annoying because it is

2320
01:46:01,013 --> 01:46:04,333
Speaker 6: a thing. And you know, you know, people think the

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01:46:04,452 --> 01:46:07,492
Speaker 6: country and free excess, but it is a working farm.

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01:46:07,572 --> 01:46:10,333
Speaker 6: That's hazards. Someone else has pointed out, you know, there's this.

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01:46:10,412 --> 01:46:11,212
Speaker 5: Wire of excess.

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01:46:12,772 --> 01:46:16,532
Speaker 6: Yeah, and its open eyes and most people were it's

2325
01:46:16,572 --> 01:46:19,572
Speaker 6: done barely and treated. Philly is right, but quite often,

2326
01:46:19,612 --> 01:46:21,652
Speaker 6: particularly in the high country, hear something. You'll see a

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01:46:21,692 --> 01:46:24,213
Speaker 6: full will drive and bele to create these wraps and tracks.

2328
01:46:24,853 --> 01:46:27,652
Speaker 6: But Nick, you're off in to the Tussic because the

2329
01:46:27,893 --> 01:46:29,652
Speaker 6: tracks are too big and now they're wrecking the Peddix

2330
01:46:29,692 --> 01:46:30,532
Speaker 6: and up into islands.

2331
01:46:30,572 --> 01:46:31,893
Speaker 4: So there you go.

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01:46:32,053 --> 01:46:34,852
Speaker 3: Andrew, thank you for you cool, fascinating crazy Scott's just

2333
01:46:34,893 --> 01:46:37,333
Speaker 3: come crazy with the paper oads. But I suppose I

2334
01:46:37,372 --> 01:46:38,732
Speaker 3: didn't need to care about it at the time.

2335
01:46:40,053 --> 01:46:42,812
Speaker 2: I mean that story of Larnak and where he built

2336
01:46:42,853 --> 01:46:46,532
Speaker 2: his castle and his daughters and coming back from London

2337
01:46:46,612 --> 01:46:47,932
Speaker 2: and high society and then.

2338
01:46:48,532 --> 01:46:50,772
Speaker 4: Building a ballroom and no one to go there. It's

2339
01:46:50,772 --> 01:46:52,133
Speaker 4: a pretty grim story back in the day.

2340
01:46:52,253 --> 01:46:55,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen seventy one, pissing up there with a bunch

2341
01:46:55,293 --> 01:46:57,612
Speaker 2: of probably Clydesdale's and a horse just to get to

2342
01:46:57,652 --> 01:46:58,092
Speaker 2: your house.

2343
01:46:58,572 --> 01:46:59,612
Speaker 4: So it was full on thing.

2344
01:46:59,732 --> 01:47:01,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it right, sixteen to four. But taking

2345
01:47:01,973 --> 01:47:03,612
Speaker 3: more of your calls, I know, eight one hundred and eighty,

2346
01:47:03,772 --> 01:47:05,012
Speaker 3: ten eighty back in the month.

2347
01:47:06,133 --> 01:47:09,972
Speaker 1: Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty.

2348
01:47:10,612 --> 01:47:13,652
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons news talk.

2349
01:47:14,572 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 2: It is thirteen to four, and the paper roads roll

2350
01:47:18,692 --> 01:47:21,812
Speaker 2: on on Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on z B.

2351
01:47:22,013 --> 01:47:25,132
Speaker 2: And whenever we get some surety, that that that surety

2352
01:47:25,213 --> 01:47:28,372
Speaker 2: is pulled out from underneath us. Yeah, like a horse

2353
01:47:28,452 --> 01:47:31,053
Speaker 2: breaking its leg and a hole on a paper road.

2354
01:47:31,692 --> 01:47:34,213
Speaker 2: This guy is talking nonsense. Farmers do not pay rates

2355
01:47:34,293 --> 01:47:37,452
Speaker 2: on paper roads, which are crown land ODT reports on

2356
01:47:37,532 --> 01:47:39,293
Speaker 2: farmers using paper roads for free.

2357
01:47:40,492 --> 01:47:42,932
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that. I mean, we tried

2358
01:47:42,973 --> 01:47:44,492
Speaker 3: to solve a few wishes with the paper roads, but

2359
01:47:44,532 --> 01:47:45,732
Speaker 3: we've just made it more confusing.

2360
01:47:45,893 --> 01:47:48,173
Speaker 2: You do not pay rates on paper road running through

2361
01:47:48,213 --> 01:47:51,133
Speaker 2: your property, says this text. So this one says first

2362
01:47:51,253 --> 01:47:53,692
Speaker 2: rule of paper roads. If you find a farm gate, shut,

2363
01:47:53,812 --> 01:47:58,133
Speaker 2: shut up behind you open, leave it open you bloody towneese.

2364
01:47:58,173 --> 01:48:00,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is fair. That is that's common sense.

2365
01:48:00,893 --> 01:48:02,372
Speaker 4: That is fair. Mark.

2366
01:48:05,572 --> 01:48:09,932
Speaker 9: Yeah, I had a property that had a paper road

2367
01:48:09,973 --> 01:48:13,932
Speaker 9: through a lifestyle block, and so it's had to look

2368
01:48:13,973 --> 01:48:16,053
Speaker 9: into all of this. And the guy who was just

2369
01:48:16,293 --> 01:48:18,293
Speaker 9: the last call covered some of the things I was

2370
01:48:18,333 --> 01:48:21,812
Speaker 9: going to say. One of them is it's worth remembering

2371
01:48:21,893 --> 01:48:24,772
Speaker 9: that as these you know, there are often laneways that

2372
01:48:24,933 --> 01:48:28,333
Speaker 9: go through farms that might have might start where the

2373
01:48:28,412 --> 01:48:31,173
Speaker 9: paper road is and they but naturally they wind their

2374
01:48:31,213 --> 01:48:33,892
Speaker 9: way around contours of property and that kind of thing.

2375
01:48:34,452 --> 01:48:36,692
Speaker 9: If you if you look at the actual paper road

2376
01:48:36,973 --> 01:48:40,972
Speaker 9: on the on the map on the title, there's many

2377
01:48:41,053 --> 01:48:43,972
Speaker 9: places where that lane way goes off the paper road

2378
01:48:44,572 --> 01:48:48,293
Speaker 9: as it winds around. Does it make sense? Kind It isn't.

2379
01:48:48,933 --> 01:48:50,093
Speaker 6: Well, people, what I was.

2380
01:48:50,133 --> 01:48:54,013
Speaker 9: Thinking is people assume that because there's a like a

2381
01:48:54,093 --> 01:48:56,772
Speaker 9: track there, it could be for a vehicle that the

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01:48:56,933 --> 01:49:00,412
Speaker 9: farmer maintains that they will claim I can use that

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01:49:00,612 --> 01:49:03,973
Speaker 9: because it's a paper road, but actually it could be

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01:49:04,933 --> 01:49:08,253
Speaker 9: half of that laneway. That track might actually be off

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01:49:08,412 --> 01:49:13,093
Speaker 9: the paper road. Right, you're going on their property. So yes,

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01:49:13,173 --> 01:49:17,132
Speaker 9: allowing them allowing you to use it as actually a courtesy,

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01:49:17,812 --> 01:49:23,133
Speaker 9: Well we should sew courtesy toward the farmer because you know,

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01:49:23,293 --> 01:49:25,812
Speaker 9: they could actually put all sorts of gates all the

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01:49:25,853 --> 01:49:28,652
Speaker 9: way along there, laying way, although it make life difficult

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01:49:28,692 --> 01:49:30,812
Speaker 9: for them because you know they're allowing you to go

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01:49:30,893 --> 01:49:32,892
Speaker 9: onto their property. You see what I'm saying.

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01:49:32,973 --> 01:49:35,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, because is this because when the paper roads were

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01:49:35,532 --> 01:49:38,812
Speaker 2: laid down, they were sort of laid down arbitrarily, and

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01:49:39,053 --> 01:49:43,013
Speaker 2: so to actually be useful then they often have to

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01:49:43,133 --> 01:49:46,253
Speaker 2: go off the actual official line. And so when you're

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01:49:46,333 --> 01:49:48,013
Speaker 2: using it, the chances are at some point in that

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01:49:48,133 --> 01:49:50,092
Speaker 2: paper road, you're not on the paper road anymore.

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01:49:50,133 --> 01:49:51,612
Speaker 4: You're actually on the farmer's land.

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01:49:51,652 --> 01:49:53,892
Speaker 2: Otherwise you wouldn't be able to actually use it all

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01:49:53,893 --> 01:49:55,973
Speaker 2: because it would go down a gully or fall off

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01:49:56,013 --> 01:49:56,772
Speaker 2: a cliff for whatever.

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01:49:57,013 --> 01:49:59,452
Speaker 9: Exactly exactly it could be a clip there. If you

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01:49:59,492 --> 01:50:02,213
Speaker 9: look at them on the map, they're actually straight lines.

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01:50:02,253 --> 01:50:04,213
Speaker 9: And there'll be straight lines that might go for a

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01:50:04,893 --> 01:50:07,213
Speaker 9: kilometer and then and then it bends off in an

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01:50:07,253 --> 01:50:09,893
Speaker 9: angle and again it's a straight line. But the contours

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01:50:09,933 --> 01:50:13,133
Speaker 9: of the land and the steepness of the land means

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01:50:13,213 --> 01:50:16,173
Speaker 9: that the a tract to get to that area may

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01:50:16,253 --> 01:50:19,052
Speaker 9: go well off the paper road and lots of places.

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01:50:19,372 --> 01:50:20,213
Speaker 4: That makes a lot of sense.

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01:50:20,293 --> 01:50:21,013
Speaker 1: Yet people will walk.

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01:50:22,372 --> 01:50:24,772
Speaker 3: Why you get there's the station owners who get a

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01:50:24,812 --> 01:50:26,572
Speaker 3: bit upset with the hikers. And I think they're quite

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01:50:26,652 --> 01:50:28,572
Speaker 3: right that there's a paper road that starts and then

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01:50:28,572 --> 01:50:30,692
Speaker 3: you've got to go on to the farm station and

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01:50:30,812 --> 01:50:34,253
Speaker 3: then back into the docklands. So they're well within their

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01:50:34,333 --> 01:50:37,852
Speaker 3: rights to say you should ask for permission, well.

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01:50:37,732 --> 01:50:40,532
Speaker 9: Particularly if they find people are abusing it, you know,

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01:50:40,732 --> 01:50:44,412
Speaker 9: because every everybody practically accepts that that's the case. And

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01:50:44,732 --> 01:50:47,812
Speaker 9: the farmer uses that lane, they're using the paper road

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01:50:47,893 --> 01:50:49,412
Speaker 9: and places to get to where they want to go.

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01:50:49,532 --> 01:50:51,732
Speaker 9: And then but you know, the bulldozer might have been

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01:50:51,772 --> 01:50:53,213
Speaker 9: put through off the whole. You know, a lot of

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01:50:53,253 --> 01:50:57,212
Speaker 9: the private land to make a usable lane way for vehicles.

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01:50:57,293 --> 01:51:00,213
Speaker 9: But you know, anyway. That's that's one thing. The other

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01:51:00,293 --> 01:51:04,612
Speaker 9: thing is, and we had this situation, is sometimes it

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01:51:04,732 --> 01:51:07,412
Speaker 9: might just come onto your property because there's no other.

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01:51:07,293 --> 01:51:07,933
Speaker 6: Way for it to go.

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01:51:08,812 --> 01:51:13,053
Speaker 9: And that all works well when you're getting on with

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01:51:13,173 --> 01:51:18,133
Speaker 9: your neighbor. But let's say your neighbor sells their farm.

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01:51:18,013 --> 01:51:20,253
Speaker 6: For forestry and.

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01:51:21,732 --> 01:51:23,973
Speaker 9: The expectation is that they're going to be able to

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01:51:24,093 --> 01:51:30,572
Speaker 9: use that inverted Commas paper road to access to bring forestry.

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01:51:30,093 --> 01:51:30,572
Speaker 11: In and out.

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01:51:30,973 --> 01:51:33,333
Speaker 9: Well, you might not be very happy about that, you know,

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01:51:33,372 --> 01:51:36,812
Speaker 9: because it can be you know, yeah, it could be

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01:51:36,933 --> 01:51:39,892
Speaker 9: very disruptive to you. Well, the assumption that they should

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01:51:39,933 --> 01:51:43,173
Speaker 9: be able to continue to use the lane way is

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01:51:43,372 --> 01:51:46,772
Speaker 9: just that an assumption. You own the land. Wherever it

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01:51:46,853 --> 01:51:49,532
Speaker 9: goes on to your land, you own it. And really

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01:51:49,572 --> 01:51:52,572
Speaker 9: it's a point of negotiation with the other company.

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01:51:53,333 --> 01:51:54,612
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

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01:51:54,692 --> 01:51:57,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, much to your call Mark, that's cleared up

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01:51:57,293 --> 01:51:58,412
Speaker 3: a lot paper roads.

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01:51:58,772 --> 01:52:01,732
Speaker 2: Incredibly complex. What about this text from Tim? I know

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01:52:01,853 --> 01:52:05,173
Speaker 2: someone on Banks Peninsula who has has a house with

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01:52:05,293 --> 01:52:07,333
Speaker 2: a paper road running right through it. So in theory,

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01:52:07,412 --> 01:52:10,213
Speaker 2: someone could sit in their lounge and watch TV with

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01:52:10,333 --> 01:52:11,613
Speaker 2: them and not be trespassing.

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01:52:11,933 --> 01:52:14,812
Speaker 3: Name and shame Yeah, let's find their house. It sounds

2451
01:52:14,853 --> 01:52:15,452
Speaker 3: like a great time.

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01:52:15,532 --> 01:52:19,052
Speaker 2: You get someone just bastard, someone just rides fifteen horses

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01:52:19,093 --> 01:52:21,492
Speaker 2: through your lounge. It's on the paper road, mate, on

2454
01:52:21,532 --> 01:52:23,852
Speaker 2: the paper road, all right? Should we put paper roads

2455
01:52:23,853 --> 01:52:24,133
Speaker 2: to bed?

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01:52:24,293 --> 01:52:26,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, we went too far down the paper road and

2457
01:52:27,853 --> 01:52:28,932
Speaker 3: we've come to an end.

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01:52:29,173 --> 01:52:30,852
Speaker 4: Well, I found the chat very interesting.

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01:52:31,013 --> 01:52:33,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially went on twenty odd minutes too long on

2460
01:52:33,812 --> 01:52:36,612
Speaker 2: the paper Road chat, but loved all your calls an

2461
01:52:36,772 --> 01:52:37,173
Speaker 2: texts so.

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01:52:37,293 --> 01:52:38,732
Speaker 3: Much back at eight to four.

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01:52:39,692 --> 01:52:43,093
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2464
01:52:43,452 --> 01:52:47,532
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

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01:52:47,572 --> 01:52:47,852
Speaker 18: It'd be.

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01:52:49,612 --> 01:52:52,812
Speaker 4: It is four minutes to four, and that brings us

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01:52:52,933 --> 01:52:55,972
Speaker 4: the end of the show. Thank you so much for listening.

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01:52:56,173 --> 01:52:58,293
Speaker 4: Love the lad chat today. It's been a great old time.

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01:52:58,933 --> 01:53:01,333
Speaker 2: The great and Powerful Heather Duplessy Allen is up next

2470
01:53:01,372 --> 01:53:06,852
Speaker 2: with the guaranteed no paper Roads Chats for till seven o'clock,

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01:53:06,973 --> 01:53:10,133
Speaker 2: No paper roads all now. Anyway, Tyler, why am I

2472
01:53:10,173 --> 01:53:10,852
Speaker 2: playing the song.

2473
01:53:13,333 --> 01:53:15,852
Speaker 3: Let's called let's called Black Friday?

2474
01:53:17,412 --> 01:53:19,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one black Friday, but a great New

2475
01:53:19,532 --> 01:53:21,333
Speaker 2: Zealand man in the mockers because we were supposed to

2476
01:53:21,333 --> 01:53:22,333
Speaker 2: be talking about Black Friday.

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01:53:22,372 --> 01:53:24,333
Speaker 4: In the last hour it we.

2478
01:53:24,452 --> 01:53:26,612
Speaker 3: Got stuck on paper roads. You wanted to talk about

2479
01:53:26,652 --> 01:53:28,932
Speaker 3: Black Friday, and I'm sorry. I did the old paper

2480
01:53:29,013 --> 01:53:30,692
Speaker 3: roads here. It was an enjoyable chat, but we got

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01:53:30,732 --> 01:53:32,173
Speaker 3: bogged down heavily on the paper roads.

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01:53:32,333 --> 01:53:35,772
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about Black Friday tomorrow. Anyway, you'll seem busy,

2483
01:53:35,893 --> 01:53:38,013
Speaker 2: so we'll let you go until tomorrow afternoon. Give them

2484
01:53:38,053 --> 01:53:39,173
Speaker 2: a taste of Kiwi from us.

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01:53:57,372 --> 01:53:59,933
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