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Speaker 1: Are we too late on the Palestine question? That is

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Speaker 1: the question this evening. Winston Pede's over at the UN

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Speaker 1: continues to be tight lipped over whether or not we

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Speaker 1: will recognize a Palestinian state this week. Have a listen look,

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Speaker 1: we've been waiting eighty long years for an answer.

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Speaker 2: Here in a few days finding out all the facts,

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Speaker 2: it will not be wasted.

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Speaker 1: The French are the latest to recognize. Doctor Omar Abadala

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Speaker 1: is the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the State

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Speaker 1: of Palestine and joins me this evening.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Good evening, and thank you for hosting me.

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Speaker 2: Go the best for you, for our friends in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Have you noticed is it being noticed that

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Speaker 1: New Zealand isn't hasn't yet made a decision, or isn't

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Speaker 1: recognizing a Palestinian state?

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Speaker 2: I I maybe I can't reformulate the issue that the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is thinking of recognizing the state of Phalestine,

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Speaker 2: but they are looking for the right time, the right

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Speaker 2: moment for the New Zealand people and leadership to do

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Speaker 2: that bold decision.

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Speaker 1: Have you spoken maybe, have you had any word from

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Speaker 1: our Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Have they signaled anything about

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Speaker 1: what they might be doing.

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Speaker 2: We had we had, we had an open discussion with

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Speaker 2: the Foreign Ministry and with the leadership about the recognition

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Speaker 2: and the importance of New Zealand to recognize the State

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Speaker 2: of Palestine and to join the the countries, the principal

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Speaker 2: countries that New Zealand is part of the international community,

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Speaker 2: and to take that decision towards recognizing the State of

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Speaker 2: Palestine as an investment in peace, and not to delay

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Speaker 2: or postpone this decision, which will be taken as an

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Speaker 2: encouragement to the Israeli policies, the illegal Israeli policies against

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian people in Palestine.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is being recognized by these states? And I

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Speaker 1: noticed there are a lot of caveats, particularly on the

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Speaker 1: Canadian recognition. You know, there needs to be elections, there

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Speaker 1: needs to be all all this sort of stuff needs

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Speaker 1: to happen first. So what has actually been recognized?

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Speaker 2: No, Actually, actually, when you recognize, you recognize the legal,

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Speaker 2: the moral, the natural right of the Palestinian people to

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Speaker 2: self determination. You recognize the people, You recognize the territory

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Speaker 2: on which the people are exercising or should exercise their

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Speaker 2: right to self determination. You recognize the government, the representatives

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Speaker 2: of this state, which is the pl O, the sole

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Speaker 2: representative of the Palestinian people, the legitimate representative of the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian people. You recognize the struggle, You recognize the the

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Speaker 2: the ideas, the principles upon which those people are acting,

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Speaker 2: including the Palestinian people, who are consistent in using the

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Speaker 2: international law and calling for the international community to be

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Speaker 2: committed to international law and to the international legitimacy. So

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Speaker 2: this is what the states already recognized. They recognized the

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Speaker 2: suffering of the Palestinian people since seventy seven years. They

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Speaker 2: recognized that this step should be taken seventy seven years

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Speaker 2: ago when the Yuan divided Palestine into two states, one

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Speaker 2: already there, but the other state now is still being

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Speaker 2: recognized by some players and the actors and international actors.

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Speaker 2: This is what they are recognized. They recognized the right

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Speaker 2: of people to exist.

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Speaker 1: What about the hostages, the.

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Speaker 2: Hostages and prisoners was one of the points on which

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Speaker 2: the New York Declaration about the Conference on the Peaceful

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Speaker 2: Settlements of the Question of Palestine and the Implementation of

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Speaker 2: the two Still Solution. And it was clear that this

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Speaker 2: conference and this endeavor should start by a seas fare permanent,

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Speaker 2: permanent and lasting seas fire, where Israel stop its aggression

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Speaker 2: against the Palestinian people, where the release of hostages and

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Speaker 2: prisoners should take.

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Speaker 1: All that included immediately. Yeah, definitely, it is just I'm

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Speaker 1: interested from a Palestinian authority point of view, is a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian state possible with Hamas in existence if their goal

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Speaker 1: is to wipe Israel off the face of the planet,

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Speaker 1: you know, is the are those can those things coexist?

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Speaker 2: I think using this court will mislead so many of

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Speaker 2: your audiences. The State of Palestine recognized Israel in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three, but Israel yet not recognizing the State of Palestine,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and they still committing genocide against the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian people, and they are threatening the existence of the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian people. The Palaestinian people are now under threat of

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Speaker 2: existence by the Israeli occupying forces and settular terrorism and

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Speaker 2: the Qubat Brazilian territory. So the State of Palestine is

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Speaker 2: about the people of the State of Palestine. It's not

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Speaker 2: about one party here or one movement here or one

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Speaker 2: movement there. It's about the ideology upon which the Palestinian

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Speaker 2: people are acting who are preserving the two state solution,

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Speaker 2: while we have officialist government, Israeli government that's trying to

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Speaker 2: inaliate the Palestinian people or possibly did transfer them out.

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Speaker 2: And they speak about this clearly, plantly in front of

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Speaker 2: all of others on the TV, that they are dehumanizing

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian people. Of course, here is not yes, this

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Speaker 2: is about the State of Palestine and its legitimate leadership,

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Speaker 2: which is the PLO. And this is what the states

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Speaker 2: already recognized, recognized the peace can in Palestine. By the way,

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Speaker 2: these states, they did not recognize any movement or any

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Speaker 2: party in Palestine, recognized all to Palestinian people.

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Speaker 1: Understand, Doctor Omar, I really appreciate your time and for

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Speaker 1: coming on the program as we wait this decision from

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Speaker 1: our foreign minister. Thank you very much for your time, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You very much, thank you very much for the best.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to talking with you.

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Speaker 1: At dtor Omar Abadella, who's the Deputy Minister of Foreign

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Speaker 1: Affairs of the State of Palestine. For more from hither

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