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Speaker 1: Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 1: tell me about this claim about the gang rate.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you've got to say. The Prime Minister was

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Speaker 2: harangued at his post cabinet news conference a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: It was about the police raid on the mongrel mob,

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Speaker 2: a mob and a portogy. Recently, the claim was made

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Speaker 2: that a three year old was left under tendered in

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Speaker 2: a house for several hours after the mother and the

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Speaker 2: grandmother were taken away by the police. Apparently, according to

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Speaker 2: the question or at the press conference, the police prevented

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Speaker 2: extended family members from getting to the child. Chris Luxon

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Speaker 2: says he'll look into it, but refuse to apologize for

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Speaker 2: the police raiding gangs.

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Speaker 3: And that's really really tragic. And I just said to

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Speaker 3: you before that's not acceptable. I get that, But equally

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Speaker 3: what's not acceptable yep, But what's also not acceptable. I've

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Speaker 3: said that, But what is also not acceptable. I want

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Speaker 3: you to be really clear about this is the gang

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Speaker 3: behavior is utterly unacceptable. But we said we had come

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Speaker 3: down on violent crime and that is why we're being

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Speaker 3: tough on game. Patches, assorting, consulting, aggravating factors are illegal.

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Speaker 2: Guns.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're going after, and that's what the police

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Speaker 3: have new powers to deal with from the end of

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Speaker 3: the month, responsible for that violence for those we're incredibly challenging,

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Speaker 3: really unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Get it.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine for the life of me that if

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Speaker 2: the police knew there was a three year old unattended

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Speaker 2: in one of those houses they raised that they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have sent somebody in for that child.

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Speaker 1: How long are they supposed to have left the child?

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Speaker 2: Several hours? I do not, simply do not believe it,

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Speaker 2: but no doubt the story will unfold as a result

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Speaker 2: of that exchange. It is press confect just sort of interest.

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Speaker 1: Who was that having a crack at the pen?

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Speaker 2: I think I don't know. I think it was somebody

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Speaker 2: from one of the Maori challenge Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool? Now what do you make of Chris

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Speaker 1: Luxon calling voters customers?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Honestly, he was asked whether he would do anything

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Speaker 2: differently a year on from his first term, and he

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Speaker 2: said that he maybe would say that maybe they haven't

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Speaker 2: moved fast enough in some areas, but he said he's

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Speaker 2: made mistakes. He could have expressed himself better. Luxon was

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Speaker 2: pulled up for the way he talks on in the

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Speaker 2: interview with Radio New Zealand that got him into trouble

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Speaker 2: with the Wokesters. Have a listen.

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Speaker 3: It's been a belief system of mine. If you don't

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Speaker 3: talk to the customer, to to the public, to the people,

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Speaker 3: the voters, and actually find out what their concerns are.

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Speaker 3: If you lose touch with the people, you actually don't

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Speaker 3: have a sense or a feel of what they need

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Speaker 3: you to deliver for them. I'm the fastest person to

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Speaker 3: get from entering politics to being Prime Minister. It means

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Speaker 3: that I come with a different set of skills and

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Speaker 3: it means that I'm also not going to be perfect

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Speaker 3: in my answers, and yes I need to work harder

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Speaker 3: unless corporate speak.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't worry me in the slightest that he sees

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Speaker 2: voters as customers. We are customers. I mean we should

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Speaker 2: be treated like customers and the customers never wrong, of course,

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Speaker 2: but you know, we should be seen as people who

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Speaker 2: are expecting something out of a government, and that is

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Speaker 2: a customer. It might be a voter as well, but

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Speaker 2: who cares about the terminology.

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Speaker 1: Also, I think he needs to stop apologizing for the corporates.

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Speaker 2: The corporate apologize.

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Speaker 1: That is who he authentically is. And this is his problem,

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Speaker 1: is that he's trying to kind of shared the real

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Speaker 1: Chris Luxon to create I think maybe what he thinks

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Speaker 1: the customer wants, But actually the customer already voted for that, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Lucen, you know, so he's delivering for the customer.

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Speaker 1: He needs to stick with the corporate speak. That's the

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Speaker 1: one thing he's actually good at.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I don't disagree with it at all.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you make of this case? It's been

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Speaker 1: dropped that the free speech alluded us to.

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Speaker 2: You've got all the Free Speech Union, Jonathan Ailing, he's

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Speaker 2: the chief executive. He said he was proud for the

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Speaker 2: union to have managed this case. In March this year,

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Speaker 2: a chap called Paul Burns spent Sunday, as he regularly does,

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Speaker 2: on Lampton Key, encouraging public debate on his anti abortion stance. Well,

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Speaker 2: he had one hundred dollar bills posted to one of

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Speaker 2: his play cards. When he was approached by some young

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Speaker 2: people willing to engage in the debate, one of them

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Speaker 2: said that abortion was.

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Speaker 1: Just but the one hundred dollar bills irrelevant because he's

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Speaker 1: offering one hundred dollars to someone who can argue against him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that his abortion stance is wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's wrong, So that's right. So this young group

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Speaker 2: of young people came along and he turned the argument

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Speaker 2: around and he said that they said that they were

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Speaker 2: anti abortion, and he said, because the world was overpopulated.

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Speaker 1: Was okay, because we have to sorry, so the world.

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Speaker 2: Was overpopulated and anyway, he turned it around, and apparently

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Speaker 2: this got him arrested. He said, why don't you go

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Speaker 2: out and kill yourself? It was probably going a bit overboard,

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Speaker 2: but the police arrested him, initially on a fairly minor

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Speaker 2: charge of using offensive language. They upgraded it to disorderly

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Speaker 2: behavior and then moved on to a more aggravated form

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Speaker 2: of disorderly behavior. Today they withdrew the case in court,

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Speaker 2: and I think good on them, because that's what should

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Speaker 2: have been done. And speaking of a free speech hitter,

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Speaker 2: could any woman vote for this man? Never listened to

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Speaker 2: another outburst from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Donald Palmer was all man. And I say that in

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Speaker 4: all due respect to women, and I love women. But

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Speaker 4: this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was

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Speaker 4: all man.

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Speaker 1: This man was.

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Speaker 4: Strong and tough, and I refused to say it, but

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Speaker 4: when he took showers with the other pros they came

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Speaker 4: out of there, they said, oh my god, that's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I had to say it.

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Speaker 1: Was he talking about his willing of course, let us

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Speaker 1: go married. It wants women to vote for him. For

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