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Speaker 1: Huddlers with us shortly and reminded Nichola Willis is with

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Speaker 1: us after six it might not be Niicola. So I'm

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Speaker 1: getting I've got quite a few texts from people who

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Speaker 1: were around at the time and who I would consider

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Speaker 1: National Party insiders who say sounds like Amy Adams to me, Heather,

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Speaker 1: So maybe it's Amy Adams. Amy Adams is smart, was

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Speaker 1: well respected by both sides, also wore suits, suggestion Maggie Barry.

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Speaker 1: Maggie Barry does actually fit that description. Maggie Barry has

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Speaker 1: a posh accent, wears suits. I'm not sure if she

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Speaker 1: was respected by both sides, but maybe she was, who knows,

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Speaker 1: and they had a run in at some stage. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: As I say, I haven't read the book, but I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what. Somebody who has a Grant Duncan from

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Speaker 1: Auckland University and is with us now, Hello Grant, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 1: So who was the national MP ranting at her?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I'm gonna have to leave that as a guest. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: your guesses are pretty good. I think I couldn't they

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Speaker 2: tell No.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's the trouble, isn't it? Like there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of good revelation in it, are you disappointed by?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, actually there's no really juicy reveals in there.

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Speaker 2: I mean there are some interesting angles that kind of

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Speaker 2: raised my eyebrows a little bit, but like, for instance,

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Speaker 2: you know the way that she departed from the Mormon

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Speaker 2: Church gradually, and you know, I was quite surprised to

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Speaker 2: hear that someone had said to her, well, your your

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Speaker 2: friends in the church aren't voting for you, but they

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Speaker 2: are praying for you. That kind of thing was sort

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Speaker 2: of interesting, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, not actually aimed at us. Is it's this is

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Speaker 1: probably why there aren't any juicy revelations, because it's really

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Speaker 1: am good Americans, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, Jainas now on an international career, and you

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Speaker 2: can tell by the way that it's written that it's

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Speaker 2: meant for an audience that doesn't really understand all of

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Speaker 2: the Kiwi references and place names and so forth. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's positioning herself now for the celebrity circuit and international

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Speaker 2: agencies and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in which case, I suppose the thing that I

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Speaker 1: was looking for was some kind of an admission that

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Speaker 1: she got something wrong. But then I guess if you're

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Speaker 1: aiming for an American audience. You don't want to be

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Speaker 1: doing that thing. By the way, I didn't read all

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Speaker 1: of it, grant you have. Is there an admission in

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Speaker 1: there that she got anything wrong during COVID.

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Speaker 2: Not really in that sort of disappointed me, honestly, because

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Speaker 2: although you know, I didn't agree with the tenor of

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Speaker 2: that protest outside of Parliament myself, and you know I'm

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Speaker 2: vaccinated and so forth, but I am her excuse frankly

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Speaker 2: as to why neither she nor a senior minister at

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Speaker 2: least listen to them and heard them out is just

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Speaker 2: frankly weak. It. It doesn't pass, honestly, and I think

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Speaker 2: that was a bad sign generally that Labour simply wasn't

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Speaker 2: reading public opinion carefully at that time, and they paid

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Speaker 2: daily for it.

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Speaker 1: And perhaps weren't quite the empaths that they claim they.

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Speaker 2: Are exactly quite the opposite. In fact, those people were

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Speaker 2: suddenly not us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, well, excellent point. Now. The Washington Post reviewer

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Speaker 1: says that the book is kind of okay, but it

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Speaker 1: suffers from its author's earnestness.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree, yes, yes, you did an earnest person

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Speaker 2: in a friendly way. If you meet her face to face,

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Speaker 2: and that is true. So that's yeah, that's a fair point.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of I mean, from the point

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Speaker 2: of view, particularly of women readers. I think they'll be

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Speaker 2: really intrigued by the struggle that she has with morning

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Speaker 2: sickness and pregnancy and looking, you know, wanting to be

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Speaker 2: a good mum but being a really busy mum at

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Speaker 2: the same time. And so these sorts of things are

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Speaker 2: going to be very relatable for a lot of readers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so are you buying it for anybody for Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Hadn't planned it honestly?

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Speaker 1: No, Well, it'd probably be a bargain by then. And

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Speaker 1: how much did you pay for your copy? I paid

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Speaker 1: sixty dollars.

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Speaker 2: No, I got mine. I'm borrowing one from a journalist

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Speaker 2: to who let me read it over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Interesting do you want to name names? Don't do the

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Speaker 1: same thing as j just cinder. Don't leave us without

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Speaker 1: the goss. Come on, who lent it to you?

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Speaker 2: All right? With Steve Brounius.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to him today. He told me he'd lent

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Speaker 1: it to somebody. Now I've completed the circle the same,

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Speaker 1: all right, Grass, Thanks, thanks, thanks for spilling the tea

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Speaker 1: at least a little bit. Grant Duncan, Auckland University and

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