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Speaker 1: With us right now as Gevin Gray UK corresponding to

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Speaker 1: Kevin either Gevin, this public inquiry into how this woman

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Speaker 1: died in Salisbury, the Novachok case. What don't we know

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Speaker 1: that we need to know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a very good question. I think plenty of people

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Speaker 2: would be asking. We've seen to have a lot of

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Speaker 2: public inquiries in this instance. It's really I think in

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Speaker 2: looking at how perhaps future first responders might be better protected.

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Speaker 2: The inquiry will examine the circumstances leading up to the

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Speaker 2: death and try to establish where the responsibility lies and

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Speaker 2: highlight any lessons. That's the official sort of reasons for

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Speaker 2: doing it. The forty four year old Dawn Sturgis was

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Speaker 2: killed after coming into contact with Navichok, just four months

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Speaker 2: after the same chemical weapon was used to target Serge

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Speaker 2: scrip Al, a former Ration spy in Salisbury. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it became known as the Salisbury poisonings back in March

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Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen. The Scripps survived. However, it appears Dawn

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Speaker 2: Sturges with her then boyfriend, found a package in a

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Speaker 2: public wastebin, thought it was luxury perfume and took it home.

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Speaker 2: She obviously put it on herself and sadly later died.

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Speaker 2: He incidentally was very very seriously ill, but managed to survive.

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Speaker 2: The inquiry starts at the Guildhall in Salisbury in just

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Speaker 2: four hours time from now, but after a one week

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Speaker 2: where they will have heard from missus Sturgis's mother. The

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Speaker 2: rest of the week then focuses on the experience of

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Speaker 2: those local responders, and then after that first week there'll

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Speaker 2: be a week's break and then moving into central London

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Speaker 2: where they'll hear about the targeting of serge and you

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Speaker 2: really scripal the form of Russian spy and his daughter. Incidentally,

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Speaker 2: some of the public hearings will be on will be redacted. Effectively,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be on a short delay and that

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Speaker 2: could mean that some of it is not heard in

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Speaker 2: public owing to the fact that there are a nationals

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Speaker 2: ceyk security fears the scriptules themselves not giving evidence fears

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Speaker 2: for their security.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, what do you make of Poland suspending the right

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Speaker 1: to asylum?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very very interesting. This So Donald Tusk is the

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Speaker 2: current Prime Minister of Poland, and he was also the

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Speaker 2: former head of the European Commission and as such, everything

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Speaker 2: that the countries did, he was very keen in seeing Sorry,

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Speaker 2: the European Council. I meant to say, he was very

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Speaker 2: supportive of the Unified Bloc with countries, you know, aligning

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Speaker 2: policies and dejectives. But now he's Prime Minister of his

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Speaker 2: own country, things seem to be changing, shall I say.

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Speaker 2: And he's basically saying that Belarus and Russia are behind

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Speaker 2: a massive migration into Poland, and it's he claiming it

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Speaker 2: to be hybrid warfare. What he's suggesting is that those countries,

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Speaker 2: Belarus and Russia are deliberately getting these migrants that are

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Speaker 2: from mostly from the Middle East but also from North

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Speaker 2: of Africa, going through Belaries and they're encouraging them to

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Speaker 2: go into Poland to destabilize the European Union. Both countries

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Speaker 2: incidentally deny this is doing that. Certainly, the numbers entering

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Speaker 2: Poland from Middle East, Africa Asia absolutely rocketing, and Poland

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Speaker 2: simply said have had enough and saying right, well, we're

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Speaker 2: going to sort of have a temporary suspension of that. However,

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Speaker 2: he's got to get that sort of through the European

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Speaker 2: Union and that will be a tough ass because it

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Speaker 2: is Poland and every country's law that they have to

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Speaker 2: process asylum seekers. So yeah, there's going to be a

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Speaker 2: bit of a standoff here.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Now, why is it significant that Christopher Columbus might

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Speaker 1: have been Spanish and Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a change of what the historians think

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Speaker 2: and have always thought, because they've always really thought that

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Speaker 2: he was from Genoa and was an Italian. However, the

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Speaker 2: study of DNA actually now contradicts that traditional theory, which

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Speaker 2: many historians have actually questioned. Anyway, they actually think he

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Speaker 2: concealed his Jewish identity or converted to Catholicism in order

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Speaker 2: to escape religious persecution. That they believe that those expeditions

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Speaker 2: across Atlantic in fourteen ninety two, which of course you know,

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Speaker 2: pretty much changed the course of world history, that he

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Speaker 2: was probably born in Western Europe and yet likely in Spain.

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Speaker 2: This was after a study of really lots of different parts.

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Speaker 2: But also it began at Granada University with a historian

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Speaker 2: there exhuoming what were believe to be the remains of

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Speaker 2: Columbus from Sevil Cathedral and then testing the DNA.

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Speaker 1: How fascinating. Hey, Gvin, thanks very much, really appreciate its

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Speaker 1: Devin Gray are UK correspondent for more from hither Duplessy

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