1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm first agreed to disagree clause and voked as part 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: of the coalition deal in New Zealand First not happy 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: over the Act call to extend the COVID inquiry two parts. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Current bit that's underway is the issue. New Zealand First 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: sees that as a Labor Party stitch up Act. Want 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: it concluded before the second bit gets underway. Our political 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: editor Jason Wills with us, Jason, very good morning to you. 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 2: Good morning. 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: To make some credit to Luxeon if this plays out 10 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: the way we hope. In other words, New Zealand First disagrees, 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: they pull the trigger on the clause. That's life and 12 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: we move on. That's mature, isn't it exactly? 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: And that's what Christopher Luxon was it pains to say yesterday. 14 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: This isn't a coalition and chaos or cracks in the 15 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: coalition agreement. This is exactly essentially how it's supposed to 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: work between the two parties. And that's why this clause 17 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: was written into the coalition arrangement and the Act Party 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: has one as well. We saw this exercise with New 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: Zealand First and the Labor Government the last time around, 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: although it happened quite a lot towards the end of 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: the tenure, and it was a little less civil than 22 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: this one. But yeah, as Christopher Luxon said, this is 23 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: just a mature way of going about it. I mean, 24 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: the worst case scenario would be a situation where New 25 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: Zealand first were leaking this sort of information or Winston 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: was coming out and making a fuss publicly. But if 27 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: you haven't agreed to disagree clause and things are still 28 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: going ahead the way that cabinet decided, then everything essentially 29 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: is going expected. 30 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: What's the act argument about keeping Part one in place, 31 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: cost and waste? They're underway, we might as well see 32 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: what they got. 33 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I mean we've had a whole Phase 34 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: one that we didn't know was just Phase one until 35 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: very recently, and they said that it's the fiscally prudent 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: way forward in terms of going forward with that inquiry. 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Brock van Velden, who was in charge of this, so 38 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: that there was a lot of evidence gathered to day 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: and it would have been a waste of evidence, resource 40 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: and the commissioner's time to end this and just essentially 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: do away with all of that information. So, I mean 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: it's a very act party reason and it makes sense 43 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, they have already collected a lot 44 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: of information from that COVID inquiry. It would be it 45 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't make a lot of sense just to throw it away, 46 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: just to do it again. 47 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Timeframe is a problem for me. I mean, twenty twenty 48 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: six is a long time away, and that's a lot 49 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: of investigation, a lot of money, a lot of energy, 50 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. 51 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that a lot of people, I mean, 52 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: no one's going to forget about COVID, but a lot 53 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: of the initial concerns that people had, you know, by 54 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: that time, there's a lot of other things that have 55 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: happened by that time. So it's a long time I mean. 56 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: But then again, you would say that this COVID was 57 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: a big thing and it's going to take a long 58 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: time to gather all this information. But a lot of 59 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: people will be looking at that time frame and thinking, look, 60 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: that's just too long. 61 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. Jason go Well to die Jason Wolves, 62 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: our political leader, to Brooklyn Felden for more from News 63 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Talks a' b listen live on air or online, and 64 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: keep our shows with you wherever you go with our 65 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: podcasts on Iart Radio