1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: The Greens have launched their alternative missions Reduction Plan here 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: as a plan will more than double our current work 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: to curb climate change. Agriculture will be part of the 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: emissions trading scheme again, and a new Ministry of Green 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Works will be established to work on renewable infrastructure. And 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: the plan will be key in the next pre election 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: pitch to voters. And Steve Abel as a Green Party 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: MP and our spokesperson, this morning. Good what is you, Steve? 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Good morning, Andrew. 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: I'd taught me quickly through the plan bullet. 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Points, basically in simple terms that it's say, it's a 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: blueprint for how we decalbonize all the different sectors of 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: society and the economy, and it takes on the important 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: task of working out how we practically do a lot 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: of that stuff. The current government plan is not on 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: track to achieve our later targets and will struggle to 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: meet the current ones. And this one will increase our 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: reductions by five times what this government will achieve. Not 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: to mention the fact that basically, because we'll properly invest 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: in what is necessary to reduce our missions and think 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: of it as a whole pul. 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: Challenge, I've read the report. Where do you get the 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: number from? Because it's very low on great details, and 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: it somehow you've said this will be five times. 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Better because if you model things like lowering the camp 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: ponds that motion fertilizer for example in agriculture predomin dairy farming, 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: you finally get quite substantial cuts and emissions. If you 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: probably electrify our transport fleet. For example, in one of 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: the big opportunities we have in designers, we have already 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: a big renewable creen energy electricity system. If we grow 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: the size of that electricity system and then use a 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: lot of that additional energy for electrifying transport from trains 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: to buses to cars, get huge cuts in the amount 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: of emissions we're currently producing. 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: And that's true, and you say, if you grow the 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: electricity system, But reading the plan, the plan and targets 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: areas like justice and the treaty, improving the emission training scheme, 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: and also sustainable land use. But there's very little. In fact, 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: there's only really a sentence on how you're going to 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: extend power generation. Surely the key to fighting pollution and 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: climate change is green power generation, so why no detail 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: on that? 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: So we've done more substantive detail. In the past of 44 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: twenty ten election campaign, we had the Clean Power Payment, 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: which was a massive investment in solarization, distributed solarization, which 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: allowed households to lower their energy bills through investing in 47 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: solar and batteries and put in public money to support that. 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: They happen up to a thirty thousand dollars grand for 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: each household. And those sorts of substantial invested investments start 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: shifting the nature of the grid. They start allowing us 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: to actually get that overbuild of electricity that we need 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: to do close to. 53 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: Elect Absolutely, that's so the key because currently you know, 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: we need coal for ten percent of our power. And 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: if you take the ten percent off, if you came 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: into power and said, right, that's it, no more coal 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: because coal's dirty and yucky, that's ten percent, that's our economy. 58 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: That's ten percent of the power of our economy. And 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: so you have to be able to replace that power 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: or are you telling us, are you telling us that 61 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: if the Green's got into charge and did this, we 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: would take a hit and have less power. 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely not of its exactly opposite. And Genesis Energy, for example, 64 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: who run the Hardly Power station is said. The future 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: of that power source is bio mass. We have this 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: phenomenal resource in biomass, meaning the residue pine waste that 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: we have in our current system which currently ends up 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: washing down and slash into our rivers, that could be 69 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: used in many industries that are observing that that could 70 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: be used to be converted into woody buy a mass 71 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: that could be burned instead of coal. So those are 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: the sorts of opportunities that we have that aren't being 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: exploited currently, and we will reinvest the money that we 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: get from emissions trading scheme into supporting industry and make 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: those decapitalization choices. 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: Steve, thank you for joining us this morning, and hey, 77 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: by the way, Merry Christmas. 78 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 79 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.