1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks B. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:16,627 Speaker 2: But speaking of Kiwez, here is another one the greatest 4 00:00:16,667 --> 00:00:21,587 Speaker 2: golf caddy in history, Kiewe. Steve Williams has a third 5 00:00:21,787 --> 00:00:26,667 Speaker 2: book out. It's called Together We Roared, documenting his twelve 6 00:00:26,747 --> 00:00:29,667 Speaker 2: years on the Bag of tiger Woods, during which time 7 00:00:29,707 --> 00:00:34,307 Speaker 2: they won thirteen majors. Together. Steve Williams is with us. 8 00:00:34,307 --> 00:00:36,747 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the book. Steve. It's a terrific read, with 9 00:00:36,827 --> 00:00:39,547 Speaker 2: some really superb in sight and with the Masters on 10 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:42,667 Speaker 2: at the moment, I really wanted to get some augusta 11 00:00:42,947 --> 00:00:46,027 Speaker 2: insight from you today. So, first of all, among the 12 00:00:46,067 --> 00:00:50,387 Speaker 2: world's elite golfers, how coveted is the Masters? How coveted 13 00:00:50,987 --> 00:00:52,467 Speaker 2: is winning that green jacket? 14 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:53,667 Speaker 3: Yeah? 15 00:00:53,747 --> 00:00:55,827 Speaker 4: Look, I mean the four major championships is the one 16 00:00:55,867 --> 00:00:57,707 Speaker 4: that all the professional golfers. 17 00:00:58,827 --> 00:01:00,187 Speaker 3: You know, want to win. 18 00:01:00,267 --> 00:01:02,387 Speaker 4: Those are the talents that have placed the most importance 19 00:01:02,387 --> 00:01:04,507 Speaker 4: in that. But you know, the Masters is unique. Obviously, 20 00:01:04,507 --> 00:01:08,187 Speaker 4: it's at the same venue every year, and and it's 21 00:01:08,267 --> 00:01:10,627 Speaker 4: one course you play every year if you if you're 22 00:01:10,667 --> 00:01:12,627 Speaker 4: lucky enough to be exempt into the Talents, so you 23 00:01:12,627 --> 00:01:15,267 Speaker 4: can gain more and more familiarity with the course and 24 00:01:15,267 --> 00:01:18,907 Speaker 4: get more comfortable playing the course. So each player used 25 00:01:18,947 --> 00:01:22,507 Speaker 4: all the different major championships as far as important. You 26 00:01:22,547 --> 00:01:24,467 Speaker 4: know that they are all major champions I want ones. 27 00:01:24,507 --> 00:01:26,747 Speaker 4: You want to win some, you know, some like the 28 00:01:26,787 --> 00:01:29,147 Speaker 4: Open Championship, more some like the Masses. 29 00:01:28,747 --> 00:01:29,307 Speaker 3: And so forth. 30 00:01:29,427 --> 00:01:33,467 Speaker 4: But yeah, Augusta is unique, and everyone wants to win 31 00:01:33,467 --> 00:01:35,507 Speaker 4: a tournament at a Gusta at some point. 32 00:01:36,107 --> 00:01:38,787 Speaker 2: What are the keys to playing Augusta? 33 00:01:39,107 --> 00:01:43,387 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well obviously you've got to be a very 34 00:01:43,507 --> 00:01:46,627 Speaker 4: very very good quick green pudder. The greens are very 35 00:01:46,667 --> 00:01:48,547 Speaker 4: very quick with a lot of undulation, a lot of 36 00:01:48,587 --> 00:01:51,307 Speaker 4: slope there, so you've got to be a very good 37 00:01:51,427 --> 00:01:55,827 Speaker 4: green pudder of a green reader there. You face you know, 38 00:01:55,947 --> 00:01:58,707 Speaker 4: over the period of the week there, because the greens 39 00:01:58,707 --> 00:02:01,467 Speaker 4: are so quick there, it's very hard to you know, 40 00:02:01,547 --> 00:02:04,147 Speaker 4: all the puts from you know, the long distance puts 41 00:02:04,147 --> 00:02:06,667 Speaker 4: are hard to lag to the close lag very very 42 00:02:06,667 --> 00:02:08,827 Speaker 4: close to the whole. So you know, you face a 43 00:02:08,827 --> 00:02:10,467 Speaker 4: lot of four to six foot is there with a 44 00:02:10,467 --> 00:02:12,867 Speaker 4: lot of brave and you've got to be very competent 45 00:02:13,507 --> 00:02:16,827 Speaker 4: at that range. Just the way they've lengthen the course 46 00:02:16,867 --> 00:02:19,867 Speaker 4: over the over the you know, over the period of time, 47 00:02:19,907 --> 00:02:23,347 Speaker 4: and that realistically, you've got to be a long ball hitter. 48 00:02:23,627 --> 00:02:27,627 Speaker 4: You know, a short hitter is going to find it very, 49 00:02:27,707 --> 00:02:29,587 Speaker 4: very difficult to compete there. There are a number four 50 00:02:29,667 --> 00:02:32,467 Speaker 4: part number of part fours over five hundred yards here now, 51 00:02:32,507 --> 00:02:33,987 Speaker 4: so I mean it makes them possible if. 52 00:02:33,907 --> 00:02:37,187 Speaker 3: You're a short hitter to do well there. So, but 53 00:02:37,267 --> 00:02:40,187 Speaker 3: you know you've got to you've got to have the. 54 00:02:40,147 --> 00:02:42,907 Speaker 4: Biggest component of playing well there is to have a 55 00:02:42,947 --> 00:02:46,227 Speaker 4: great understanding of where you can't miss the ball and 56 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:48,947 Speaker 4: where you can miss the ball. So a lot of 57 00:02:48,987 --> 00:02:50,827 Speaker 4: courses you can get away with a few shots what 58 00:02:50,867 --> 00:02:53,547 Speaker 4: we call low siding yourself, missing on the on the 59 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:55,427 Speaker 4: short siding yourself, but you just can't. 60 00:02:55,267 --> 00:02:55,867 Speaker 3: Do that there. 61 00:02:55,947 --> 00:03:00,067 Speaker 4: So it really examines your whole game with gusta. You know, 62 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:01,667 Speaker 4: you've got to be able to hit some right to 63 00:03:01,747 --> 00:03:02,987 Speaker 4: left shots. You've got to be able to hit some 64 00:03:03,107 --> 00:03:04,507 Speaker 4: left or right shots. You've got to have a lot 65 00:03:04,507 --> 00:03:09,107 Speaker 4: of high shots coming into these greens. And ultimately, I 66 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:11,427 Speaker 4: believe it's the greatest test between a player and a 67 00:03:11,467 --> 00:03:14,987 Speaker 4: caddy because there's no course to my knowledge, that puts 68 00:03:15,027 --> 00:03:18,827 Speaker 4: such an emphasis on club selection. So it's well documented 69 00:03:18,907 --> 00:03:22,587 Speaker 4: that there's more caddies get fired after the week it 70 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:26,987 Speaker 4: Augusted than any other tournament because it puts a extreme 71 00:03:27,067 --> 00:03:29,427 Speaker 4: amount of pressure on a player in a caddy there 72 00:03:29,467 --> 00:03:32,267 Speaker 4: because there's so many holes there. You come up short, 73 00:03:32,267 --> 00:03:34,547 Speaker 4: you can't long, you can't get up and down. You 74 00:03:34,547 --> 00:03:36,587 Speaker 4: can make a high score, and you know you come 75 00:03:36,627 --> 00:03:38,867 Speaker 4: to those part fives that you know, aim and corner. 76 00:03:39,067 --> 00:03:40,987 Speaker 4: You know you look at aim and corner. Twelfth hole, 77 00:03:41,107 --> 00:03:42,987 Speaker 4: you go over the green hard to make four short, 78 00:03:43,027 --> 00:03:45,187 Speaker 4: you're in the water thirteen, you know it. You come 79 00:03:45,227 --> 00:03:48,027 Speaker 4: up short, you're in raised creek fifteen obviously with the 80 00:03:48,027 --> 00:03:50,547 Speaker 4: water short of the green, and you can't go along 81 00:03:51,067 --> 00:03:54,507 Speaker 4: club selection there. I think of all the tournaments that 82 00:03:54,547 --> 00:03:58,627 Speaker 4: you play, is the most important, and it puts put 83 00:03:58,707 --> 00:04:00,307 Speaker 4: a lot of stress on the player and a caddy there, 84 00:04:00,347 --> 00:04:02,067 Speaker 4: So caddy plays a big role there. 85 00:04:02,387 --> 00:04:02,547 Speaker 3: Yeah. 86 00:04:02,587 --> 00:04:04,347 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, one thing that's obvious from this book 87 00:04:04,387 --> 00:04:07,107 Speaker 2: and everything I've read, and who about you as your 88 00:04:07,187 --> 00:04:12,907 Speaker 2: meticulous planning regardless, So did Augusta need even more than that? 89 00:04:12,947 --> 00:04:16,787 Speaker 2: Did it need extra extra care and attention from you 90 00:04:16,867 --> 00:04:18,187 Speaker 2: given what you've just outlined. 91 00:04:18,827 --> 00:04:21,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, But one thing, like I said, you're fortunate Jason. 92 00:04:21,907 --> 00:04:24,187 Speaker 4: You know, I I k there for thirty straight years, 93 00:04:24,227 --> 00:04:27,067 Speaker 4: so you know, you keep all your notes and every 94 00:04:27,107 --> 00:04:29,227 Speaker 4: time you go there you're learning something different, so that 95 00:04:29,387 --> 00:04:32,387 Speaker 4: you know, you look at for a number of years here, 96 00:04:33,827 --> 00:04:35,827 Speaker 4: the same guys are on the leaderboard all the time. 97 00:04:35,867 --> 00:04:38,907 Speaker 4: Fred Couples, Ernie Els, Tiger Woods, you know, these guys, 98 00:04:39,747 --> 00:04:42,627 Speaker 4: Phil Micholson, the same guys get on that leaderboard because 99 00:04:42,627 --> 00:04:45,547 Speaker 4: they get so comfortable with the course that they know 100 00:04:45,587 --> 00:04:47,907 Speaker 4: where to hit it, they know where not to hit it. 101 00:04:48,667 --> 00:04:51,627 Speaker 4: They've had they faced so many of the parts before, 102 00:04:51,707 --> 00:04:53,587 Speaker 4: so they get so familiar with the course. So the 103 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:57,827 Speaker 4: more times, the more opportunities you have to play there. 104 00:04:57,067 --> 00:04:58,107 Speaker 3: The better off you're going to be. 105 00:04:58,147 --> 00:05:00,987 Speaker 4: And it's one of the one of them. 106 00:05:01,027 --> 00:05:01,147 Speaker 3: You know. 107 00:05:01,187 --> 00:05:02,947 Speaker 4: If you look at how many players have won that 108 00:05:03,067 --> 00:05:04,787 Speaker 4: the first time they have played there, I think there's 109 00:05:04,827 --> 00:05:07,067 Speaker 4: only two or three of them, one on their first 110 00:05:07,267 --> 00:05:08,107 Speaker 4: visit to Augusta. 111 00:05:08,227 --> 00:05:09,267 Speaker 3: So a lot of. 112 00:05:09,227 --> 00:05:11,987 Speaker 4: Knowledge there that you can accumulate, and that knowledge is very, 113 00:05:12,067 --> 00:05:12,707 Speaker 4: very helpful. 114 00:05:13,507 --> 00:05:17,267 Speaker 2: It's the twenty year anniversary this year of Tiger Woods. 115 00:05:17,387 --> 00:05:19,587 Speaker 2: When with you there in two thousand and five, and 116 00:05:19,627 --> 00:05:23,467 Speaker 2: of course we land on that iconic Chippin on sixteen, 117 00:05:23,867 --> 00:05:26,547 Speaker 2: which keeps on coming up on social media feeds even 118 00:05:26,547 --> 00:05:28,667 Speaker 2: more and more this time of the year. I just 119 00:05:28,707 --> 00:05:30,467 Speaker 2: want to take you back to that maybe one of 120 00:05:30,507 --> 00:05:33,587 Speaker 2: the greatest holes ever seen in golf. The t shot, 121 00:05:33,587 --> 00:05:36,107 Speaker 2: though didn't quite go the way it was planned, ended 122 00:05:36,187 --> 00:05:37,507 Speaker 2: up in a place of the course that I've heard 123 00:05:37,507 --> 00:05:38,507 Speaker 2: you say you'd never been to. 124 00:05:39,587 --> 00:05:42,547 Speaker 4: Look, it's interesting, you know, it's the sixteenth time and 125 00:05:42,587 --> 00:05:45,347 Speaker 4: a Gasta at Sunday. The pin placement's always in the 126 00:05:45,347 --> 00:05:48,587 Speaker 4: same place. It's on the left hand side there, close 127 00:05:48,627 --> 00:05:50,707 Speaker 4: to the bunker. So obviously you've got to hit the 128 00:05:50,747 --> 00:05:52,947 Speaker 4: shot forty feet right of the hole and just let 129 00:05:52,987 --> 00:05:56,347 Speaker 4: it come down the hill. So when Tiger hits the shot, 130 00:05:56,427 --> 00:05:59,307 Speaker 4: immediately I'm thinking, wow, that's left, and then you're thinking 131 00:05:59,387 --> 00:06:01,747 Speaker 4: it's in the bunker. And then you think, wow, no, 132 00:06:01,867 --> 00:06:03,347 Speaker 4: that's not in the bunk, it's in the water. And 133 00:06:03,347 --> 00:06:06,587 Speaker 4: then I'm thinking, no, actually that's over the water. I 134 00:06:06,627 --> 00:06:10,467 Speaker 4: don't know what's over there. So as we're walking up, 135 00:06:11,227 --> 00:06:13,467 Speaker 4: you know, I'm walking quite quickly and Tigers behind me, 136 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:15,947 Speaker 4: and he keeps yelling me, you know, asking me. 137 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:16,267 Speaker 3: Where is it? 138 00:06:16,267 --> 00:06:18,067 Speaker 4: Steve, It was right, where is it? And I managed 139 00:06:18,067 --> 00:06:20,267 Speaker 4: to get Ian Baker Fince's attention. He was up on 140 00:06:20,307 --> 00:06:22,867 Speaker 4: the camera tower behind the fifteenth Grand and I just 141 00:06:22,907 --> 00:06:24,787 Speaker 4: managed to get his attention and said, is that okay 142 00:06:24,787 --> 00:06:25,867 Speaker 4: and just put his thumbs up. 143 00:06:25,907 --> 00:06:27,747 Speaker 3: So I didn't know where it was. I've never been 144 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:28,507 Speaker 3: over there, you know. 145 00:06:28,507 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 4: It's just I'd not seen a player play from over 146 00:06:31,627 --> 00:06:34,147 Speaker 4: there before because obviously, when the pin is down there 147 00:06:34,147 --> 00:06:36,307 Speaker 4: where it is on Sunday, you're aiming, you know, you're 148 00:06:36,347 --> 00:06:40,227 Speaker 4: aimed to the right, and if there's any tendency, generally 149 00:06:40,507 --> 00:06:44,307 Speaker 4: the players will hit it too far right. But yeah, 150 00:06:44,347 --> 00:06:46,627 Speaker 4: he goes up there, surveys the shot and so forth, 151 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:48,747 Speaker 4: and what he's trying to do is not get the 152 00:06:48,787 --> 00:06:50,747 Speaker 4: ball go too far up the hill so that it 153 00:06:50,747 --> 00:06:53,227 Speaker 4: doesn't gather too much free when it comes back down. 154 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:54,147 Speaker 3: He said. 155 00:06:54,467 --> 00:06:56,627 Speaker 4: He went up there after some you know, he quite 156 00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:58,267 Speaker 4: spent quite a bit of time looking at that shot, 157 00:06:58,267 --> 00:07:00,147 Speaker 4: and he picked out a ballmark. 158 00:06:59,667 --> 00:07:00,147 Speaker 3: On the greend. 159 00:07:00,147 --> 00:07:01,787 Speaker 4: He said, Steve, do you think if I landed on 160 00:07:01,827 --> 00:07:04,587 Speaker 4: that ballmark, I won't go up the hill too far? 161 00:07:04,707 --> 00:07:08,067 Speaker 4: And amazingly, which was just an incredible part of the shot, 162 00:07:08,107 --> 00:07:10,707 Speaker 4: as he actually landed on that ballmark. Now I could 163 00:07:10,747 --> 00:07:16,107 Speaker 4: give him a thousand balls, and he wouldn't do that again. So, yeah, 164 00:07:16,547 --> 00:07:21,347 Speaker 4: it's an iconic gold shop. And yeah it's twenty year anniversary, 165 00:07:21,747 --> 00:07:23,467 Speaker 4: and you know we cover a bit of that in 166 00:07:23,507 --> 00:07:25,467 Speaker 4: the book and that so it was a very special 167 00:07:25,507 --> 00:07:26,307 Speaker 4: moment in the book. 168 00:07:26,347 --> 00:07:26,507 Speaker 3: You know. 169 00:07:26,587 --> 00:07:30,427 Speaker 4: Not only that's an iconic Tiger moment. In the book, 170 00:07:30,467 --> 00:07:32,787 Speaker 4: we look at quite a few iconic moments. 171 00:07:33,107 --> 00:07:38,067 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are plenty lots just on Augusta though, Greg Norman, 172 00:07:38,067 --> 00:07:40,987 Speaker 2: you're on his bag of course in the eighties, his 173 00:07:41,187 --> 00:07:45,867 Speaker 2: collapse at Augusta in nineteen ninety six, you went on 174 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:47,307 Speaker 2: his bag at that time. As I say, but what 175 00:07:47,387 --> 00:07:49,107 Speaker 2: did you see from him that day? 176 00:07:50,387 --> 00:07:53,587 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean it was you know, as a 177 00:07:53,627 --> 00:07:55,947 Speaker 4: great friend of Greg's, it was a tragedy to watch. 178 00:07:57,907 --> 00:08:00,387 Speaker 4: I watched the last I can't remember how many holes 179 00:08:00,387 --> 00:08:01,907 Speaker 4: I was catting for Ray Floyd in the same time. 180 00:08:01,947 --> 00:08:03,267 Speaker 4: I went back to the house I was staying at 181 00:08:03,307 --> 00:08:05,667 Speaker 4: and was watching it on TV as it's unfolded. But 182 00:08:07,027 --> 00:08:13,827 Speaker 4: ultimately he changed his way that he played. Greg plays 183 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:19,987 Speaker 4: incredibly aggressive, and on Sunday, instead of playing aggressive, he 184 00:08:20,027 --> 00:08:22,747 Speaker 4: went to conservative and just trying to protect his lead. 185 00:08:22,947 --> 00:08:27,387 Speaker 4: And as it was completely against his nature. He wanted 186 00:08:27,387 --> 00:08:30,427 Speaker 4: that talent so badly. That was you know, some players 187 00:08:30,467 --> 00:08:32,307 Speaker 4: want to win the Open Championship, some want to win 188 00:08:32,347 --> 00:08:34,747 Speaker 4: the US Open, someone to win the masses. He wanted 189 00:08:34,787 --> 00:08:36,387 Speaker 4: to be That was the time that he wanted to 190 00:08:36,387 --> 00:08:39,187 Speaker 4: win the most, and it meant the most of him, 191 00:08:39,227 --> 00:08:40,987 Speaker 4: and he let it slip through his hands, you know, 192 00:08:41,067 --> 00:08:43,427 Speaker 4: until three times he had the Larry Mice chipping and 193 00:08:43,547 --> 00:08:46,387 Speaker 4: he had the you know, the shot up the eighteenth there, 194 00:08:46,387 --> 00:08:50,747 Speaker 4: he fled it way up to the right there. But yeah, 195 00:08:50,827 --> 00:08:54,707 Speaker 4: so I actually ended up going back to Florida with 196 00:08:54,747 --> 00:08:57,747 Speaker 4: Greg that night, and I spent that night on the 197 00:08:57,787 --> 00:09:01,227 Speaker 4: beach with Greg, and we went over that whole round 198 00:09:01,347 --> 00:09:03,787 Speaker 4: while we're sitting on the beach and having some beers 199 00:09:03,787 --> 00:09:08,027 Speaker 4: and some tears and a lot of tears. And yeah, 200 00:09:08,147 --> 00:09:11,427 Speaker 4: for some unknown reason, he got out of his comfort zone, 201 00:09:11,427 --> 00:09:13,867 Speaker 4: which he doesn't normally do. He's a very very confident 202 00:09:13,907 --> 00:09:16,747 Speaker 4: player and very very confident and in vidilining, and he 203 00:09:16,787 --> 00:09:21,467 Speaker 4: got outside his comfort zone and instead of playing aggressive, 204 00:09:21,547 --> 00:09:24,827 Speaker 4: he played conservative on Sunday. So what he had done 205 00:09:24,867 --> 00:09:27,667 Speaker 4: through rounds one, two, three, he changed on Sunday, and he, 206 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,267 Speaker 4: you know, he for some unknown reason he never sort 207 00:09:30,267 --> 00:09:32,867 Speaker 4: of put his hand on why he did that. It 208 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:34,507 Speaker 4: should have just been a walk in the park in 209 00:09:34,507 --> 00:09:37,267 Speaker 4: a formality. As well as his player. 210 00:09:37,947 --> 00:09:39,827 Speaker 2: Adam Scott. You're on his bag when he won the 211 00:09:39,867 --> 00:09:42,827 Speaker 2: Masters twenty thirteen. How different a thrill was that for you? 212 00:09:43,827 --> 00:09:45,867 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean to be on the bag of 213 00:09:45,947 --> 00:09:49,587 Speaker 4: the first Australian to win win at Agasa and the 214 00:09:49,707 --> 00:09:52,547 Speaker 4: only one since. Incredibly, Like if you think about the 215 00:09:52,587 --> 00:09:54,867 Speaker 4: amount of great players in Australia has produced, you know, 216 00:09:55,027 --> 00:09:58,707 Speaker 4: go back to the one night to Kalnabe or Peter Thompson, 217 00:09:58,747 --> 00:10:01,507 Speaker 4: Bruce Devlyn, David Graham, all these great players, you know, 218 00:10:01,587 --> 00:10:06,347 Speaker 4: to the modern day Jason Day, Adam and Cameron Smith. 219 00:10:06,427 --> 00:10:08,787 Speaker 4: The whole post of great players Australias had over the 220 00:10:08,867 --> 00:10:10,947 Speaker 4: years to think that only one guy's put that green 221 00:10:11,067 --> 00:10:13,147 Speaker 4: jacket on, and you know it was it was an 222 00:10:13,187 --> 00:10:17,827 Speaker 4: incredible moment. Ironically, Greg played a part in that. You know, 223 00:10:18,067 --> 00:10:22,147 Speaker 4: Adam idolized Greg as a junior growing up. And you 224 00:10:22,147 --> 00:10:24,547 Speaker 4: know I met Adam a couple of times when he's 225 00:10:24,627 --> 00:10:27,987 Speaker 4: just a little teenager when I was scating with Greg, 226 00:10:27,987 --> 00:10:30,267 Speaker 4: and he idolized Greg is a very good amateur player 227 00:10:30,267 --> 00:10:31,547 Speaker 4: and idolized Greg. 228 00:10:31,907 --> 00:10:33,027 Speaker 3: On that playoff hole. 229 00:10:34,027 --> 00:10:36,307 Speaker 4: You know, when Adam asked me to read the put there, 230 00:10:36,347 --> 00:10:38,707 Speaker 4: and he read the put one way and I said, 231 00:10:38,707 --> 00:10:41,987 Speaker 4: that's not even closest. You know, he read a cup 232 00:10:42,027 --> 00:10:43,707 Speaker 4: out and I said, that's not even close. It's like 233 00:10:43,747 --> 00:10:46,667 Speaker 4: two and a half cups out. I had a note 234 00:10:46,707 --> 00:10:49,987 Speaker 4: in my book, my yardage book, and it was from 235 00:10:50,507 --> 00:10:52,587 Speaker 4: from believers from nineteen eighty eight. 236 00:10:54,107 --> 00:10:54,307 Speaker 3: You know. 237 00:10:54,547 --> 00:10:56,627 Speaker 4: I had a note that had the pin placement there 238 00:10:56,787 --> 00:10:58,627 Speaker 4: and it had an arrow that said, if you're putting 239 00:10:58,627 --> 00:11:00,067 Speaker 4: from this direction, it breaks. 240 00:10:59,787 --> 00:11:00,547 Speaker 3: More than it looks. 241 00:11:01,707 --> 00:11:03,547 Speaker 4: And that came from when I was scating with Greg 242 00:11:04,827 --> 00:11:07,587 Speaker 4: and when You're not that part and Greg read my 243 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:11,387 Speaker 4: lips because I said when Tiger, When Adam asked me, 244 00:11:11,507 --> 00:11:13,347 Speaker 4: I said, that's not even close. This is how far 245 00:11:13,387 --> 00:11:18,347 Speaker 4: it was. And Greg read my lips. And Greg was 246 00:11:18,387 --> 00:11:20,867 Speaker 4: actually the first person I spoke to, not he wasn't 247 00:11:20,907 --> 00:11:22,507 Speaker 4: the first person that called me. But when I got 248 00:11:22,547 --> 00:11:24,227 Speaker 4: in the car and I was driving back to the 249 00:11:24,307 --> 00:11:27,667 Speaker 4: house where I was staying, the phone rang and it 250 00:11:27,747 --> 00:11:30,427 Speaker 4: was Greg and he read my lips and I said, well, 251 00:11:30,427 --> 00:11:33,107 Speaker 4: you're not going to believe this. Greg, I had documented 252 00:11:33,147 --> 00:11:35,867 Speaker 4: in my yardage book when you had that part and that, 253 00:11:36,107 --> 00:11:39,107 Speaker 4: and so he felt pretty special that he had some 254 00:11:39,267 --> 00:11:43,147 Speaker 4: tie to that victory. So it was an absolute incredible moment, 255 00:11:43,227 --> 00:11:47,227 Speaker 4: you know, like on the eighteenth green, Adam, when you know, 256 00:11:47,427 --> 00:11:49,747 Speaker 4: when he hold that put thinking he had won the torny, 257 00:11:49,747 --> 00:11:51,867 Speaker 4: you know, come and he was come on, come on, 258 00:11:52,267 --> 00:11:54,387 Speaker 4: and he was going berserk, and it's like, hold on 259 00:11:54,427 --> 00:11:57,747 Speaker 4: a minute, Tiger, sorry, hold on to that, It's not over. 260 00:11:57,947 --> 00:11:59,907 Speaker 4: I had to quickly bring him back to the moment 261 00:11:59,947 --> 00:12:02,027 Speaker 4: so that you know, Cabrera still got a hold of go. 262 00:12:02,147 --> 00:12:04,667 Speaker 4: He might burdie and he might tie, and that's exactly 263 00:12:04,747 --> 00:12:08,907 Speaker 4: what happened. So he you know, you've got to quickly 264 00:12:09,267 --> 00:12:11,067 Speaker 4: he had to quickly come back to earth there for 265 00:12:11,107 --> 00:12:13,227 Speaker 4: a minute and get back out there for the playoffs. 266 00:12:13,227 --> 00:12:15,427 Speaker 3: So, you know, an incredible moment. 267 00:12:15,867 --> 00:12:17,547 Speaker 2: Just for I ask you a couple more questions about this. 268 00:12:17,707 --> 00:12:20,427 Speaker 2: One final question about Augusta. The boiler suits they make 269 00:12:20,507 --> 00:12:23,147 Speaker 2: you wear as caddies. Do you like those? 270 00:12:24,187 --> 00:12:27,587 Speaker 3: Look? Jason? I think that's archaic, you know. 271 00:12:27,787 --> 00:12:30,107 Speaker 4: I just like if I said to you, you know, 272 00:12:31,307 --> 00:12:33,787 Speaker 4: you're going to walk ten K's today on one of 273 00:12:33,827 --> 00:12:36,827 Speaker 4: the hilliest golf was ever and it might be eighty 274 00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:39,747 Speaker 4: five degrees in human Here's what I want you to wear. 275 00:12:39,867 --> 00:12:43,387 Speaker 4: You'd go you kidding me, aren't you? I think that's archaic. 276 00:12:44,027 --> 00:12:47,147 Speaker 4: I honestly do. I see why they do it. I understand, 277 00:12:47,147 --> 00:12:49,867 Speaker 4: but I think in today, in today's world, I think 278 00:12:49,907 --> 00:12:51,827 Speaker 4: that should be something. 279 00:12:51,587 --> 00:12:52,987 Speaker 3: That's not required by the caddies. 280 00:12:53,027 --> 00:12:56,427 Speaker 4: I understand they could wear the green hats and so forth, 281 00:12:56,467 --> 00:12:59,587 Speaker 4: but like even if they got a Master's T shirt. 282 00:12:59,627 --> 00:13:03,987 Speaker 4: Everybody had a Master's T shirt and they were all, 283 00:13:04,027 --> 00:13:07,387 Speaker 4: you know, even if they provided the same color shorts 284 00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:09,187 Speaker 4: and a T shirt with a player's name and the 285 00:13:09,227 --> 00:13:11,307 Speaker 4: logo ovals no. 286 00:13:12,547 --> 00:13:15,467 Speaker 2: All right. The process of this book, the genesis of it, 287 00:13:15,507 --> 00:13:18,067 Speaker 2: I know, came from a podcast series you did during 288 00:13:18,067 --> 00:13:20,067 Speaker 2: COVID when you sort of went through major by major 289 00:13:20,107 --> 00:13:22,427 Speaker 2: and then there was the you know, the opportunity to 290 00:13:22,467 --> 00:13:25,067 Speaker 2: make it into into a book. How did you find 291 00:13:25,107 --> 00:13:28,867 Speaker 2: the process of writing this? Was it an enjoyable process 292 00:13:28,907 --> 00:13:32,227 Speaker 2: going back over, you know, in quite a lot of detail, 293 00:13:32,547 --> 00:13:34,107 Speaker 2: the time that you had together with Tiger. 294 00:13:34,707 --> 00:13:37,227 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it was like a memory, a road 295 00:13:37,227 --> 00:13:40,947 Speaker 4: down memory lane, Jason, to get out all my notes, 296 00:13:41,107 --> 00:13:44,427 Speaker 4: all my book, all my statistics, and spend some time. 297 00:13:44,427 --> 00:13:49,387 Speaker 4: We were very fortunate that the publisher allowed us a 298 00:13:49,387 --> 00:13:52,147 Speaker 4: couple of extra months and what would normally be given 299 00:13:52,387 --> 00:13:54,787 Speaker 4: or granted to write a book, so they gave us 300 00:13:54,787 --> 00:13:57,387 Speaker 4: a bit of extra time. I found it absolutely enthralling 301 00:13:57,467 --> 00:14:00,067 Speaker 4: to go to our memory lane and pull out all 302 00:14:00,107 --> 00:14:02,547 Speaker 4: the stuff that I had and all the note I 303 00:14:02,627 --> 00:14:05,667 Speaker 4: kept an amazing amount of notes, not just on statistics, 304 00:14:05,667 --> 00:14:10,827 Speaker 4: but on moods and feelings and observations I'd made, and 305 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:13,107 Speaker 4: to put all those out and all those great moments 306 00:14:13,627 --> 00:14:15,547 Speaker 4: and so forth, and then you know, do some actual 307 00:14:15,587 --> 00:14:18,427 Speaker 4: study on it. So Evan and I were trying to 308 00:14:18,427 --> 00:14:21,947 Speaker 4: give the viewer, the reader, sort of a backstage pass 309 00:14:22,067 --> 00:14:25,147 Speaker 4: to arguably one of the greatest stretches of golf ever 310 00:14:25,187 --> 00:14:27,827 Speaker 4: played by the greatest players that have played the game. 311 00:14:27,947 --> 00:14:30,467 Speaker 4: Give them a sort of backstage pass to what actually 312 00:14:30,547 --> 00:14:32,587 Speaker 4: goes on. You know, what is it like to travel 313 00:14:32,627 --> 00:14:34,227 Speaker 4: in a private jet, What is it, What are the 314 00:14:34,267 --> 00:14:36,947 Speaker 4: celebrations like after these majors, what are the practice sessions 315 00:14:37,027 --> 00:14:39,787 Speaker 4: later and so forth? Give the reader a backstage pass 316 00:14:39,827 --> 00:14:43,267 Speaker 4: to something. And you know, we're really pleased the way 317 00:14:43,267 --> 00:14:46,107 Speaker 4: it turned out, and we were pretty confident that the reader, 318 00:14:46,187 --> 00:14:47,787 Speaker 4: you know, when they read a lot of these iconic 319 00:14:47,827 --> 00:14:50,147 Speaker 4: moments and what they all meant, how they came about, 320 00:14:50,227 --> 00:14:50,947 Speaker 4: what went into it. 321 00:14:51,467 --> 00:14:53,307 Speaker 3: We think the reader will love the story. 322 00:14:53,387 --> 00:14:57,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, I found myself. I paired the book with YouTube. 323 00:14:57,147 --> 00:15:00,067 Speaker 2: Basically every time something was mentioned in here, I'd go 324 00:15:00,107 --> 00:15:01,947 Speaker 2: and look at it so I could see see it 325 00:15:01,987 --> 00:15:05,667 Speaker 2: playing out. Do you reckon? You could tell on the 326 00:15:05,707 --> 00:15:08,027 Speaker 2: morning of a round whether Tiger was going to have 327 00:15:08,067 --> 00:15:10,067 Speaker 2: a good round or not by his mood. 328 00:15:11,067 --> 00:15:11,307 Speaker 3: Yeah. 329 00:15:11,307 --> 00:15:15,507 Speaker 4: Look, as I alluded to, I kept so many notes 330 00:15:15,547 --> 00:15:18,107 Speaker 4: and so many things, and you know, I tried to 331 00:15:18,187 --> 00:15:21,147 Speaker 4: visualize myself standing in Tiger's shoes every day. So when 332 00:15:21,147 --> 00:15:23,587 Speaker 4: he came to the golf course every day, and quite 333 00:15:23,627 --> 00:15:25,347 Speaker 4: often i'd be driving him, i'd pick him up, or 334 00:15:25,387 --> 00:15:27,187 Speaker 4: I might be staying at the same hotel, or we 335 00:15:27,187 --> 00:15:30,707 Speaker 4: could be sharing a house together. But I would observe 336 00:15:30,747 --> 00:15:34,307 Speaker 4: how he was walking, what his mannerisms were like, what 337 00:15:34,347 --> 00:15:37,747 Speaker 4: the eye contact was like. And then you know, the 338 00:15:37,867 --> 00:15:41,147 Speaker 4: very first two, three, four swings of the day on 339 00:15:41,187 --> 00:15:45,267 Speaker 4: the range, I would intensely watch those to see whether 340 00:15:45,307 --> 00:15:48,787 Speaker 4: there was any kind of hesitancy, any you know, was there, 341 00:15:48,827 --> 00:15:51,067 Speaker 4: some joy, was there, some you know smiles that Okay, 342 00:15:51,107 --> 00:15:53,427 Speaker 4: I just feeling good today or you know, I'd watch 343 00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:57,467 Speaker 4: those and I'd watch the practice session, and a lot 344 00:15:57,507 --> 00:15:59,787 Speaker 4: of times the practice session would dictate how you would 345 00:15:59,827 --> 00:16:03,107 Speaker 4: start the day. Would we start off conservatively or aggressively 346 00:16:03,147 --> 00:16:05,747 Speaker 4: based on the fact that how the practice session went. So, 347 00:16:05,907 --> 00:16:08,227 Speaker 4: you know, I and at the end of the day, 348 00:16:08,227 --> 00:16:10,307 Speaker 4: I'd go away and I'd write all these things down, Okay, 349 00:16:10,307 --> 00:16:13,347 Speaker 4: this is what happened today, and this was eventuated at 350 00:16:13,387 --> 00:16:13,987 Speaker 4: the end of the day. 351 00:16:14,027 --> 00:16:15,707 Speaker 3: So yes, by the end of it. Not by the 352 00:16:15,787 --> 00:16:16,387 Speaker 3: end of the time, but. 353 00:16:16,387 --> 00:16:19,667 Speaker 4: After probably eighteen months to two years of canning for Tiger, 354 00:16:19,707 --> 00:16:22,867 Speaker 4: and I'd accumulated enough notes, had enough round with him 355 00:16:23,547 --> 00:16:26,987 Speaker 4: in all the different situations that could unfold, and so 356 00:16:27,147 --> 00:16:29,867 Speaker 4: for that that, you know, I'd have a very very 357 00:16:29,907 --> 00:16:32,947 Speaker 4: strong indication of what was going to unfold before it unfolded. 358 00:16:32,947 --> 00:16:36,227 Speaker 2: If you, like I've heard you describe Caddying as being 359 00:16:36,387 --> 00:16:40,427 Speaker 2: very much like an en course psychologist, how did Tiger 360 00:16:40,467 --> 00:16:44,067 Speaker 2: compare to your other O no wrong compatience, but how 361 00:16:44,107 --> 00:16:46,707 Speaker 2: did he compare to others you cadded for in that regard? 362 00:16:47,827 --> 00:16:51,587 Speaker 4: We look, I mean, there's no question he's the most 363 00:16:51,627 --> 00:16:54,947 Speaker 4: intense player you've ever come across the guy that's more focused, 364 00:16:55,067 --> 00:16:58,227 Speaker 4: more dedicated, and you know, he plays to win. Some 365 00:16:58,267 --> 00:17:00,707 Speaker 4: guys at the end of a week, a good week 366 00:17:00,747 --> 00:17:03,147 Speaker 4: for Tiger is a win and nothing else counts. Some 367 00:17:03,187 --> 00:17:05,467 Speaker 4: guys are happy to have a top ten, top twenty, 368 00:17:05,627 --> 00:17:07,707 Speaker 4: or some guys just happy to make the cut, make 369 00:17:07,747 --> 00:17:11,427 Speaker 4: a check. But his only you know, signal of a 370 00:17:11,467 --> 00:17:14,347 Speaker 4: good week is a victory, and that brings a lot 371 00:17:14,387 --> 00:17:16,827 Speaker 4: of pressure when you're getting for a guy like that. 372 00:17:17,467 --> 00:17:21,787 Speaker 4: But yeah, look, that's just the way it was with Sayer. 373 00:17:21,867 --> 00:17:25,627 Speaker 4: He was incredibly intense and that's just, you know, that's 374 00:17:25,627 --> 00:17:26,347 Speaker 4: the nature of it. 375 00:17:27,987 --> 00:17:30,227 Speaker 2: So I mean, like I say, the book's terrific. I 376 00:17:30,307 --> 00:17:31,987 Speaker 2: know people are going to love reading it. Just to 377 00:17:31,987 --> 00:17:35,387 Speaker 2: final question on your golf watching habits these days, I 378 00:17:35,547 --> 00:17:36,667 Speaker 2: do you don't watch a lot? Are you going to 379 00:17:36,707 --> 00:17:37,747 Speaker 2: watch the Masters? 380 00:17:38,627 --> 00:17:41,267 Speaker 4: You look, I don't really know why, but I've never 381 00:17:41,307 --> 00:17:42,427 Speaker 4: really watched much golf. 382 00:17:43,667 --> 00:17:44,827 Speaker 3: I used to when I was chatting. 383 00:17:44,867 --> 00:17:48,347 Speaker 4: I'd like to watch the Open Championship because the BBC 384 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:50,347 Speaker 4: has that going all day. So let's say you were 385 00:17:50,347 --> 00:17:53,227 Speaker 4: off in the afternoon, you could watch all eighteen holes 386 00:17:53,227 --> 00:17:54,827 Speaker 4: in the morning. You see where the wind is, what 387 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:57,347 Speaker 4: the players tendencies were on those holes and so forth. 388 00:17:57,387 --> 00:18:01,707 Speaker 4: But look, yeah, I just don't watch golf. I find it, 389 00:18:01,827 --> 00:18:06,627 Speaker 4: to be honest, I find it quite boring to watch golf. Yeah, 390 00:18:06,707 --> 00:18:08,667 Speaker 4: I guess when you're involved in something in that. But 391 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:12,507 Speaker 4: you know, I did watch in twenty nineteen, you know, 392 00:18:12,547 --> 00:18:15,827 Speaker 4: when Tiger won the Masters Championship. I did tune into that. 393 00:18:16,427 --> 00:18:18,787 Speaker 4: But no, I won't buyd myself glued to the TV. 394 00:18:18,907 --> 00:18:21,387 Speaker 4: I just I don't watch golf period. I mean, I 395 00:18:21,427 --> 00:18:23,427 Speaker 4: love watching my rugby and my mother sport. 396 00:18:24,467 --> 00:18:26,987 Speaker 2: As we all do. Hey, Steve again, congrats on the book. Together. 397 00:18:26,987 --> 00:18:30,187 Speaker 2: We roared alongside Tiger for his epic twelve year thirteen 398 00:18:30,227 --> 00:18:32,507 Speaker 2: Majors Run. Hope you sell heaps. Thanks for having a 399 00:18:32,587 --> 00:18:33,067 Speaker 2: chat to us. 400 00:18:33,307 --> 00:18:34,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, have a good weekend. 401 00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:38,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Faine, listen live 402 00:18:38,267 --> 00:18:41,547 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 403 00:18:41,587 --> 00:18:43,187 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.