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Speaker 2: This is the year in review on Weekend Sport. Let

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Speaker 2: us start with the All Blacks and head coach Scott Robertson.

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Speaker 2: He had an hour and studio with us on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: June twenty nine. That was the weekend before the first

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Speaker 2: Test of twenty twenty five. So listening to some of

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Speaker 2: his comments, it's quite interesting in hindsight. So this is

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Speaker 2: Scott Robertson before the first Test of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I asked him, first of all, how different he felt

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Speaker 2: going into his second year as coach compared to going

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Speaker 2: into his first year as coach.

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Speaker 3: Interesting in it to think back in has been a year.

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Speaker 3: It seems so quick, but also so long ago. We're

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty days better for it. Understand how

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Speaker 3: test weeks work, test matches, work on and off the field,

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Speaker 3: the length of the season. All the management or the

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Speaker 3: coaching group are better for that. But it's always different,

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Speaker 3: it's always changing. You have to be really innovative, you

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Speaker 3: have to think on your feet still. But the key

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Speaker 3: to these ten days that we're going to have to

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Speaker 3: get set us up for this French series is really critical.

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Speaker 3: So how you start right now is critical.

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Speaker 2: Was there anything last year that was a particular lesson

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Speaker 2: for you, something you didn't expect. What was the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing or things you learned last year on field or

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Speaker 2: on field, anything to do with the all black setup?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: On field? How I you like every test matches like

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Speaker 3: a final, the expectations you compete and win, and the

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Speaker 3: margins are so close and things can change so quickly.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of calls that go away, the injuries,

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Speaker 3: like the ability to adapt on the field to calls,

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Speaker 3: yellow cards. Things are into the microscope way more. You know, tmos,

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Speaker 3: little plays, tries, no tries. You know there's substitutions. All

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Speaker 3: these little critical things add up because the margins so

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Speaker 3: small that the titus has ever been his footy. The

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Speaker 3: stats show that across the top seven teams, and how

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Speaker 3: those decisions and how you set your team up through

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Speaker 3: the week to win those and critical moments is really

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Speaker 3: critical important, right, And so the work you do to

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Speaker 3: get your set up so they can can own it

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Speaker 3: on the field off the field. Just the size of it. Yep,

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Speaker 3: you're on the road. You never playing the same play

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Speaker 3: place twice. Sunday, you're up, you pack up, you're gone again.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a forward party that setting it up.

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Speaker 3: They leave early. Then you come in and you've got

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Speaker 3: another test week. So it's a new hotel, new coaching room,

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Speaker 3: new management room, new leader's room, new team room. You

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Speaker 3: So it's exciting, but it's also it's quite relentless.

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Speaker 2: Just before we look specifically at what lies immediately in

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Speaker 2: In the framework of a four year World Cup cycle,

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Speaker 2: what are the goals and objectives for year two, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, over four years. Probably from a section point of view,

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Speaker 3: it's the White boat theory where you got Stephen Donald

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Speaker 3: Rabby World Cup. And who's your fourth guy in each position?

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Speaker 3: Or some guys people can cover two positions, especially these

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Speaker 3: that thirty three you've got if we three, that's got

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Speaker 3: but also who's needs to come in because as you know,

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Speaker 3: rugby's a brutal sport and injuries are part of it,

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Speaker 3: and things change change quickly.

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Speaker 2: Right, going to take some calls in a moment. They're

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Speaker 2: stacking up a full board already. You're a This is

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Speaker 2: the envy of a talkback host. You're getting calls stacked up.

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Speaker 2: We'll get them the moment. But I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: you named. If you were independent of one another, all

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Speaker 2: of the coaches, yourself, and all of your assistants to

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Speaker 2: write down thirty three names independent of one another, and

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Speaker 2: then came together, I'm not sure that might be what

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Speaker 2: you do. How different do you think everybody's thirty three

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Speaker 2: would be? Would you have twenty nine in common? Twenty

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Speaker 2: five in common? Twenty nine in common?

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Speaker 3: I'd sell you down to two or three four, depending

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Speaker 3: depending what's important to you. So what we do, We

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Speaker 3: alive and anticipate. I watch type forwards a lot to

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Speaker 3: make sure that they've got the ability and skill set,

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Speaker 3: and cleans and stuff. But we will see things differently.

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Speaker 3: But the non negotiables the character of the player, you know,

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Speaker 3: just just will get into it and be really brutal.

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Speaker 3: And so then you break it down and then some

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Speaker 3: people see something in other players. So those are the

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Speaker 3: conversations you've got to have, you know, you break it down,

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Speaker 3: how's it going to complement our team? Are they test ready?

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Speaker 3: Will they step up straight away? Have they got the craft?

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Speaker 3: And how can you do they need a week with

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Speaker 3: you bring them in the next series. There's there's lots

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Speaker 3: players picked themselves through their own performance.

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Speaker 2: That is All Blacks head coach Scott Robertson on our

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Speaker 2: Year in Review show. That was the week before the

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Speaker 2: first Test of twenty twenty five. As we know now

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Speaker 2: looking back, it was something of a mixed year. Easily

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Speaker 2: the low point was the crushing forty three ten defeat

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Speaker 2: at the hands of South Africa in Wellington in mid September.

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Speaker 5: He boots it in to touch and a thoroughly embarrassing

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Speaker 5: night for the All Blacks, But are wonderful nights for

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Speaker 5: South Africa. They have demolished the All Blacks. They have

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Speaker 5: humiliated the All Blacks Forty.

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Speaker 2: Three ten, Yeah, the All Blacks worst ever defeat, shipping

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Speaker 2: six tries to one after leading ten to seven at

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Speaker 2: halftime off the back of debutante Leroy Carter's try. I

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Speaker 2: know you've probably erased this from your memory or tried to.

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Speaker 2: One thing we had all year was win, loss or draw.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks put up one of their assistant coach

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Speaker 2: is the day after the game, and this was no exception.

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Speaker 2: All Blacks assistant coach at Jason Ryan joined me the

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Speaker 2: day after that record defeat to explain what had happened.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, disappointing.

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Speaker 7: We just basically lost all our momentum. We Yeah, we

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Speaker 7: had a bit of a meltdown and a couple of

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Speaker 7: decisions under pressure and just couldn't get any rhythm and

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Speaker 7: they got away.

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Speaker 6: Us in that second half.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, we've got to take a pretty hard look

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Speaker 7: at ourselves, to be honest. Yeah, I think we uh

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Speaker 7: you know, we lost a little bit of momentum and

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Speaker 7: timing and our set piece as well. That's that's on me.

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Speaker 7: I'll take responsibility for that. We missed a couple of

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Speaker 7: couple of lineouts at key times where the scrum was.

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Speaker 7: I think the scrum count was they won three penalties,

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Speaker 7: we won, we won two, so that was they got

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Speaker 7: a head there and one. So yeah, I'll just take

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Speaker 7: four responsibility for my air and the set piece. We've

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Speaker 7: got to have a real hard look at ourselves and

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Speaker 7: that part of our game because we pride ourselves on

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Speaker 7: that and we just went up to par last night.

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Speaker 2: How did the performance deteriorate so much compared to last week?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, it's a great question. Look, I haven't looked

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Speaker 7: just after halftime. I thought we played some more some rugby,

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Speaker 7: and the ball and hand in the first forty was

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Speaker 7: right on, and then you know, halftime, the boys felt

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Speaker 7: after era and then some when we did win some lineouts,

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Speaker 7: I thought our kicking was not good enough, and we

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Speaker 7: lost the aerial battle, and we pretty much lost everything,

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Speaker 7: to be fair, So when we review that deeply, we've

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Speaker 7: got to make some adjustment adjustments pretty quick. We put

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Speaker 7: we put a lot into that dismatch. We put We

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Speaker 7: thought we had a great week in preparation. We you know,

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Speaker 7: we talked a lot around the week before, earlier in

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Speaker 7: the week and getting getting a mental side right. It

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Speaker 7: wasn't so much performing the putting together the same performance

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Speaker 7: same mental performance.

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Speaker 8: And then I just don't.

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Speaker 6: Think we were there.

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Speaker 7: And I think everyone could have seen that that last half

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Speaker 7: we we just didn't come out of the blocks and

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Speaker 7: we didn't get any rhythm up. I can't really explain

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Speaker 7: any simply that, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And how do you explain that that in the

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Speaker 2: second half it just all fell apart so spectacularly.

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Speaker 6: It did.

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Speaker 7: We missed I think forty odd tackles or forty plus tackles.

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Speaker 7: It was pretty much every part of our game just misfunctioned.

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Speaker 7: The box got a roll on, They played smart and

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Speaker 7: to be honest, gave us a lesson.

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Speaker 2: Do you think some players gave up near the end?

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't like to say that.

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Speaker 7: I hope that wasn't the case on these boys. Look,

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Speaker 7: I know that the performance doesn't look like that that

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Speaker 7: there was much kere shown, but where we just.

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Speaker 9: Couldn't get clear, get our hands on the ball. Where

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Speaker 9: we did, we lost it and we just yeah, we

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Speaker 9: just weren't there under pressure when it mattered. I can't

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Speaker 9: put it any simpler than that. And we'll take full

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Speaker 9: responsibility for that as the forwards coach, and we've got

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Speaker 9: we've got to front up and be better, a lot

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Speaker 9: better moving forward. We know that we have to be.

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Speaker 2: Now, do you expect to face scrutiny after this?

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Speaker 4: Yep? And we should.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the things that will be worrying

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Speaker 2: And then you shared a special moment with Caleb after

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Speaker 2: That's Ronnie Clark who sung the national anthem quite brilliantly

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Speaker 1: You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred

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Speaker 2: Twenty six minutes past midday on our year in Review

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Speaker 2: show here on Weekend Sport. All blacksmidfielder Jordi Barrett spent

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was very pleased, Pony.

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Speaker 6: So look, I'm happy with the way I'm going at

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Speaker 12: But the challenging footy is all ahead of me, so

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Speaker 2: How do you reckon he'll go over there, Rico, No.

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Speaker 6: He'll go great.

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Speaker 6: It was obviously a.

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Speaker 14: You need depth to be able to win World Cups.

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Speaker 2: He'll come back play, But the n PC off the

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Speaker 13: back and play well. Obviously, Tests rugby is a big

432
00:23:19,067 --> 00:23:23,627
Speaker 13: step up from Super rugby or even Japanese rugby. You

433
00:23:23,667 --> 00:23:26,747
Speaker 13: know that doesn't matter where you go. The step up's

434
00:23:26,787 --> 00:23:29,267
Speaker 13: big and you've got to be prepared for it. But

435
00:23:29,307 --> 00:23:31,627
Speaker 13: we know that he's been there before and he's done

436
00:23:31,667 --> 00:23:35,267
Speaker 13: the job before. So you know, I think of people

437
00:23:35,307 --> 00:23:38,227
Speaker 13: like Jerome Kiner came back and was a superstar when

438
00:23:38,227 --> 00:23:38,827
Speaker 13: he came back.

439
00:23:39,467 --> 00:23:41,787
Speaker 14: Yeah, Di Severe played particularly well as well.

440
00:23:42,147 --> 00:23:44,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got Jerome down actually because he is a

441
00:23:44,427 --> 00:23:47,387
Speaker 2: specific successful example of a guy. I went to Japan,

442
00:23:47,427 --> 00:23:49,187
Speaker 2: played a couple of seasons there, came back to New

443
00:23:49,267 --> 00:23:52,347
Speaker 2: Zealand part of your World Cup winning side in twenty fifteen.

444
00:23:53,267 --> 00:23:56,867
Speaker 2: What were the reasons it worked so well for a

445
00:23:56,947 --> 00:23:58,027
Speaker 2: player like Jerome Kino?

446
00:23:58,987 --> 00:24:01,547
Speaker 13: Well, Jerome was pretty beat up when he left, so

447
00:24:02,227 --> 00:24:06,987
Speaker 13: you know, just getting the opportunity to being a mentally

448
00:24:07,027 --> 00:24:13,107
Speaker 13: being a different place and and have different stimuli, I think,

449
00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,667
Speaker 13: really fresh and recharged his batteries.

450
00:24:15,707 --> 00:24:17,427
Speaker 14: And you know, I'm sure.

451
00:24:18,827 --> 00:24:20,827
Speaker 13: If you look at Richie, the same thing's happening with

452
00:24:20,907 --> 00:24:25,667
Speaker 13: him mentally. I know, talking to Bowden quite frequently, you

453
00:24:25,707 --> 00:24:30,187
Speaker 13: know just how much he loved the Japan stints that

454
00:24:30,307 --> 00:24:33,587
Speaker 13: he's had because you know, it is different and the

455
00:24:33,667 --> 00:24:37,787
Speaker 13: stimuli is different, and you come back, and you wouldn't

456
00:24:37,787 --> 00:24:41,027
Speaker 13: call it a grind, but it's you know, you're under

457
00:24:41,067 --> 00:24:43,707
Speaker 13: that constant pressure when you're backing in z whereas here

458
00:24:43,787 --> 00:24:45,707
Speaker 13: you just you know, a body, not.

459
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Speaker 2: Somebody man management around this Steve, you know every coach

460
00:24:51,547 --> 00:24:54,307
Speaker 2: has to manage their players. How much of a man

461
00:24:54,347 --> 00:24:57,907
Speaker 2: management challenge will raise in our faces? He as he

462
00:24:58,147 --> 00:25:02,907
Speaker 2: has Boone Baron, Damien McKenzie. Richie's not back till next year,

463
00:25:02,907 --> 00:25:05,467
Speaker 2: So how does he manage those two before Richie gets

464
00:25:05,507 --> 00:25:06,827
Speaker 2: back and then after he it's back.

465
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Speaker 14: Well, that's a million dollar question.

466
00:25:09,827 --> 00:25:15,587
Speaker 13: How well he does that job will really showing how

467
00:25:15,707 --> 00:25:18,027
Speaker 13: how well all three of them come back into the group.

468
00:25:18,067 --> 00:25:21,187
Speaker 13: And you know, you've just got to be upfront and

469
00:25:21,267 --> 00:25:24,307
Speaker 13: honest and make your selections based.

470
00:25:24,027 --> 00:25:25,867
Speaker 14: On on good criteria.

471
00:25:25,987 --> 00:25:29,227
Speaker 13: And if everyone's playing well, then it becomes a really

472
00:25:29,267 --> 00:25:34,587
Speaker 13: tough selection question. If someone's not playing well, then yeah,

473
00:25:35,027 --> 00:25:36,187
Speaker 13: it makes it harder for you to.

474
00:25:36,107 --> 00:25:36,867
Speaker 14: Get picked, doesn't it.

475
00:25:37,067 --> 00:25:39,947
Speaker 13: Well, exactly, You'll definitely have to have good conversations and

476
00:25:40,507 --> 00:25:42,627
Speaker 13: be honest and upfront, and I'm sure he will.

477
00:25:42,467 --> 00:25:46,187
Speaker 2: Be yeah, and well again, you know, without knowing the

478
00:25:46,227 --> 00:25:49,147
Speaker 2: conversations that go on. If I'm bowed embarried or I'm

479
00:25:49,187 --> 00:25:51,587
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie. Am I looking across up my All Blacks

480
00:25:51,587 --> 00:25:54,747
Speaker 2: coaches thinking to myself, he'd actually prefer if another bloke

481
00:25:54,827 --> 00:25:55,947
Speaker 2: was in the ten jersey, not me.

482
00:25:57,267 --> 00:26:00,107
Speaker 13: Look, I think the questions you have to ask Bone

483
00:26:00,187 --> 00:26:04,427
Speaker 13: and Damien, you know, like stuff. I can't answer that

484
00:26:04,507 --> 00:26:08,787
Speaker 13: for you because but both those young men are good

485
00:26:10,027 --> 00:26:11,787
Speaker 13: all well, they're great All Blacks.

486
00:26:11,507 --> 00:26:14,827
Speaker 14: And they're good men who have always put the team first.

487
00:26:14,867 --> 00:26:18,267
Speaker 13: So they'll be looking to play really, really well and

488
00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:23,987
Speaker 13: make it really difficult for someone like Richie to get

489
00:26:23,987 --> 00:26:27,947
Speaker 13: back in the team. I wouldn't think it's a given

490
00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:30,107
Speaker 13: that Richie just walks straight back in. I think he

491
00:26:30,907 --> 00:26:32,627
Speaker 13: has to earn the right just like the other two

492
00:26:32,627 --> 00:26:36,187
Speaker 13: boys are having to earn the right. But again, their

493
00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:40,907
Speaker 13: conversations you probably should have with Razor and Damien.

494
00:26:40,547 --> 00:26:45,067
Speaker 2: And always enjoy a chat with Sir Steve Hansen, former

495
00:26:45,107 --> 00:26:47,627
Speaker 2: All Blacks coach, always great insight, and that will be

496
00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:50,067
Speaker 2: one of the big storylines of twenty twenty six wine

497
00:26:50,147 --> 00:26:51,867
Speaker 2: it from the All Blacks point of view, is how

498
00:26:51,947 --> 00:26:55,747
Speaker 2: Richie Wong is reintegrated back into the side. As things stand,

499
00:26:55,787 --> 00:26:59,187
Speaker 2: and unless I've missed something. He still won't be available

500
00:26:59,707 --> 00:27:03,667
Speaker 2: for the tour of South Africa, the four Tests in

501
00:27:03,707 --> 00:27:05,547
Speaker 2: South Africa or three and South Africa one, and they

502
00:27:05,627 --> 00:27:10,387
Speaker 2: yet to be described 's neutral location. The terms of

503
00:27:10,387 --> 00:27:12,827
Speaker 2: it were that he would come back after Super Rugby

504
00:27:12,907 --> 00:27:16,467
Speaker 2: play NPC before he was eligible for the All Blacks,

505
00:27:16,907 --> 00:27:20,387
Speaker 2: so won't play Rugby Championship or the South African Tour.

506
00:27:20,947 --> 00:27:23,347
Speaker 2: At the earliest. He'll play the End of Year tour

507
00:27:23,667 --> 00:27:26,787
Speaker 2: next year, which will be within twelve months of the

508
00:27:26,867 --> 00:27:31,067
Speaker 2: Rugby World Cup. Now, I would imagine that they'll find

509
00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:33,427
Speaker 2: a way to get him on that South African tour.

510
00:27:33,947 --> 00:27:35,627
Speaker 2: It would just be such a waste if they didn't,

511
00:27:35,627 --> 00:27:38,547
Speaker 2: wouldn't it. Why would you, you know, the only rules

512
00:27:38,587 --> 00:27:41,587
Speaker 2: you're breaking your own. So I get the feeling that

513
00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:44,067
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson if he hasn't already, as I say, I

514
00:27:44,107 --> 00:27:46,467
Speaker 2: may have missed this. If he hasn't already, he'll be.

515
00:27:46,827 --> 00:27:48,827
Speaker 2: He'll be making sure that Richie Moong is on the

516
00:27:48,827 --> 00:27:51,027
Speaker 2: plane when they go to South Africa. That'll be one

517
00:27:51,027 --> 00:27:53,427
Speaker 2: of the big big stories of next year is how

518
00:27:54,147 --> 00:27:58,067
Speaker 2: how the three tens, Boden Barrett, Damien McKenzie and Richie

519
00:27:58,067 --> 00:28:03,427
Speaker 2: Morgan are managed inside that All Blacks environment twenty two

520
00:28:03,427 --> 00:28:06,267
Speaker 2: away from one. This is our year in review on

521
00:28:06,427 --> 00:28:10,067
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport when we come back without a doubt the

522
00:28:10,147 --> 00:28:14,587
Speaker 2: most frustrating interview I conducted this year. That's next here

523
00:28:14,627 --> 00:28:15,427
Speaker 2: on news Talks EDB.

524
00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:20,147
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game Weekend Sport with Jason

525
00:28:20,187 --> 00:28:24,267
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

526
00:28:24,347 --> 00:28:25,187
Speaker 1: News Talks.

527
00:28:25,027 --> 00:28:28,187
Speaker 2: EDB nineteen to one on News Talks EDB and Weekend Sport.

528
00:28:28,227 --> 00:28:31,827
Speaker 2: As we look back on the year, the biggest sports

529
00:28:31,867 --> 00:28:35,987
Speaker 2: story of the year was the standing down and subsequent

530
00:28:36,147 --> 00:28:41,267
Speaker 2: reinstatement of Dame Nolen toda as Silver Ferns Netball coach.

531
00:28:41,347 --> 00:28:46,307
Speaker 2: Netball New Zealand sidelined Dame Nolen Todoer in September after

532
00:28:46,387 --> 00:28:49,947
Speaker 2: concerns were raised about the Silver Ferns high performance program

533
00:28:50,347 --> 00:28:55,267
Speaker 2: and environment. A period of mediation followed, and in early October,

534
00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:57,907
Speaker 2: Netball New Zealand CEO Jenny Wiley joined me on the

535
00:28:57,907 --> 00:29:00,587
Speaker 2: show to give us an update or so.

536
00:29:00,747 --> 00:29:05,187
Speaker 15: I thought, yeah, well, what we're providing today is an

537
00:29:05,267 --> 00:29:09,147
Speaker 15: update of where we're at. As you know, our players

538
00:29:09,187 --> 00:29:12,427
Speaker 15: are assembling for camp as they let into conc up

539
00:29:12,427 --> 00:29:16,227
Speaker 15: a northern tour and as a result, we are confirming

540
00:29:16,867 --> 00:29:22,107
Speaker 15: interim coach appointments in there. And that is because despite

541
00:29:22,227 --> 00:29:27,227
Speaker 15: everyone's best efforts to reach resolution in terms of the

542
00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:30,707
Speaker 15: concerns and the Silver Fans High Performance environment, we've been

543
00:29:31,187 --> 00:29:31,987
Speaker 15: unable to do that.

544
00:29:32,987 --> 00:29:35,467
Speaker 2: What are those concerns?

545
00:29:35,467 --> 00:29:39,027
Speaker 15: Oh, look, I think they are part of a confidential

546
00:29:39,067 --> 00:29:44,707
Speaker 15: employment matter and what we're doing is respecting everyone in

547
00:29:44,707 --> 00:29:48,707
Speaker 15: that process. But as we've said, we have concerns around

548
00:29:49,147 --> 00:29:52,187
Speaker 15: the Civil Fans high performance environment and working through those.

549
00:29:52,747 --> 00:29:55,267
Speaker 2: Are they directly related to Dame Nolen? Only?

550
00:29:57,787 --> 00:30:01,027
Speaker 15: As you all know, we have to respect the privacy

551
00:30:01,067 --> 00:30:04,907
Speaker 15: of everyone involved and the confidentiality and that includes that

552
00:30:05,067 --> 00:30:08,707
Speaker 15: of Dame Nolen, our, the players and everyone in that environment,

553
00:30:08,987 --> 00:30:11,547
Speaker 15: and we hold that paramount in this process.

554
00:30:11,787 --> 00:30:13,467
Speaker 2: Genny, how many players are involved here?

555
00:30:15,027 --> 00:30:18,827
Speaker 15: I think you know again that is confidential. You've got

556
00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:21,747
Speaker 15: to respect the cohort in that environment.

557
00:30:22,107 --> 00:30:23,187
Speaker 16: We've got to respect that.

558
00:30:23,307 --> 00:30:27,627
Speaker 15: Dame Nolen and her team, and that's incredibly important to

559
00:30:27,707 --> 00:30:29,227
Speaker 15: us in our integrity in this.

560
00:30:29,307 --> 00:30:31,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get all that. I get all that,

561
00:30:31,387 --> 00:30:33,107
Speaker 2: we all get all that. But do you accept that

562
00:30:33,227 --> 00:30:37,947
Speaker 2: this lack of transparency is damaging to Netbor, New Zealand.

563
00:30:40,507 --> 00:30:43,227
Speaker 15: What we do know is there is intense interest in

564
00:30:43,267 --> 00:30:47,587
Speaker 15: this and any organization like Netble New Zealand lives in

565
00:30:47,627 --> 00:30:51,347
Speaker 15: a fish bowl. But at the moment, our responsibility is

566
00:30:51,467 --> 00:30:53,907
Speaker 15: to Dame Nolen and it is to the players, and

567
00:30:53,947 --> 00:30:57,267
Speaker 15: we maintain you know that is the so priority.

568
00:30:57,587 --> 00:31:00,907
Speaker 2: Would it not, though, be perhaps a better option for

569
00:31:00,987 --> 00:31:02,827
Speaker 2: you to at least give us some idea of what

570
00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:03,507
Speaker 2: the issues are.

571
00:31:05,347 --> 00:31:09,867
Speaker 15: Well, we have given an indication that we are looking

572
00:31:09,907 --> 00:31:13,267
Speaker 15: to resolve matters within the Silver Ferns high performance environment,

573
00:31:13,787 --> 00:31:17,267
Speaker 15: but we're also being able to respect the confidentiality and

574
00:31:17,307 --> 00:31:19,587
Speaker 15: the privacy of all involved in the process.

575
00:31:20,627 --> 00:31:24,347
Speaker 2: Can you tell us anything? Can you tell us what

576
00:31:24,427 --> 00:31:26,907
Speaker 2: the sticking points are why you haven't been able to

577
00:31:26,947 --> 00:31:27,627
Speaker 2: reach a resolution.

578
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:32,107
Speaker 15: I think the key thing here is we're working through

579
00:31:32,227 --> 00:31:36,267
Speaker 15: a really difficult and challenging process. None of us want

580
00:31:36,307 --> 00:31:39,307
Speaker 15: to be here, none of us want to be addressing

581
00:31:39,347 --> 00:31:42,507
Speaker 15: these at this time, and everyone is looking for certainty

582
00:31:43,147 --> 00:31:49,187
Speaker 15: at the moment. We're acutely aware that resolving these issues

583
00:31:49,467 --> 00:31:55,667
Speaker 15: is absolutely paramount for us all, but for confidentiality reasons,

584
00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:57,707
Speaker 15: we can't be more open about these issues.

585
00:31:58,387 --> 00:31:59,867
Speaker 2: Is mediation going to continue?

586
00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:05,707
Speaker 15: We are working through a confidential employment process, and we're

587
00:32:05,747 --> 00:32:08,747
Speaker 15: working really really hard with Dame Nolean in her team,

588
00:32:09,787 --> 00:32:12,187
Speaker 15: and we continue to look at ways and avenues that

589
00:32:12,227 --> 00:32:13,587
Speaker 15: we can resolve these issues.

590
00:32:13,707 --> 00:32:16,507
Speaker 2: So, in other words, then you may reach a point

591
00:32:16,587 --> 00:32:19,227
Speaker 2: or you may already have reached a point where you

592
00:32:19,307 --> 00:32:22,987
Speaker 2: don't think mediation will get you any further down the track, Genny,

593
00:32:23,027 --> 00:32:25,027
Speaker 2: is Dame Nolen a chance to return his head coach

594
00:32:25,147 --> 00:32:25,307
Speaker 2: or not.

595
00:32:26,707 --> 00:32:32,267
Speaker 15: We're working closely to continue to discuss and resolve these issues,

596
00:32:32,627 --> 00:32:35,307
Speaker 15: but at this time the most important thing for us

597
00:32:35,547 --> 00:32:38,787
Speaker 15: is to be able to give clarity and transparency to

598
00:32:39,027 --> 00:32:42,027
Speaker 15: our athletes and management so that they can prepare to

599
00:32:42,107 --> 00:32:45,107
Speaker 15: the best of their ability for the upcoming test series.

600
00:32:45,227 --> 00:32:47,867
Speaker 2: Do you think Dame Nolean has clarity and transparency here?

601
00:32:49,827 --> 00:32:52,467
Speaker 15: I think what we are in is a really confidential

602
00:32:52,507 --> 00:32:55,667
Speaker 15: process where we need to be able to respect all

603
00:32:55,747 --> 00:33:01,027
Speaker 15: parties and ensure that we maintain the integrity in the

604
00:33:01,067 --> 00:33:03,987
Speaker 15: manner of everybody involved, and for that reason it does

605
00:33:04,027 --> 00:33:05,107
Speaker 15: remain confidential.

606
00:33:05,267 --> 00:33:07,467
Speaker 2: Would you like Dame Nolean to return as head coach?

607
00:33:09,067 --> 00:33:11,307
Speaker 15: Well, I think it's really important that we reach a

608
00:33:11,387 --> 00:33:15,987
Speaker 15: conclusion of these negotiations as quickly as possible and that

609
00:33:16,187 --> 00:33:18,707
Speaker 15: has not been for one to trying by all parties.

610
00:33:19,427 --> 00:33:23,347
Speaker 2: It was quite the interview with Jenny Wiley, then CEO

611
00:33:23,587 --> 00:33:26,387
Speaker 2: of Netball New Zealand. If I totally had the word

612
00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:31,547
Speaker 2: confidential for a long long time, it'll be too soon. Obviously,

613
00:33:31,867 --> 00:33:36,587
Speaker 2: Dane Nolean was reinstated as Netball's or Silver Fern's head coach.

614
00:33:37,067 --> 00:33:40,267
Speaker 2: I think there's still some working through to be done there,

615
00:33:40,307 --> 00:33:43,307
Speaker 2: and not long ago Jenny Wiley of course stood down

616
00:33:43,387 --> 00:33:46,787
Speaker 2: as CEO of Netball New Zealand. The other big story

617
00:33:46,827 --> 00:33:50,547
Speaker 2: in netball this year was the change to the eligibility

618
00:33:50,627 --> 00:33:53,587
Speaker 2: rules around the Silver Ferns. This was driven by Grace

619
00:33:53,627 --> 00:33:56,587
Speaker 2: Wick's decision to play in Australia this year rather than

620
00:33:56,667 --> 00:34:00,587
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand. Under the previous rules that would

621
00:34:00,627 --> 00:34:04,347
Speaker 2: have ruled her out of Silver Ferns contention, but Netball

622
00:34:04,347 --> 00:34:08,307
Speaker 2: New Zealand granted her an exemption. They changed their criteria,

623
00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:10,827
Speaker 2: which led to a number of other players also seeking

624
00:34:11,107 --> 00:34:16,467
Speaker 2: similar consideration. Run Once Grace Wiki was included in what

625
00:34:16,627 --> 00:34:20,227
Speaker 2: was an eighteen strong squad for a twelve month period,

626
00:34:20,267 --> 00:34:23,587
Speaker 2: I spoke to her after the exemption was granted to

627
00:34:23,667 --> 00:34:27,067
Speaker 2: her to see how she had felt about that, and

628
00:34:27,347 --> 00:34:28,747
Speaker 2: how pleased she was about it.

629
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Speaker 17: Naturally, very very pleased and very grateful to be able

630
00:34:33,107 --> 00:34:35,787
Speaker 17: to I guess in some ways it ma ca can habit.

631
00:34:36,467 --> 00:34:37,547
Speaker 3: It was a very.

632
00:34:37,467 --> 00:34:41,267
Speaker 17: Challenging time about twilve months ago, you know, coming to

633
00:34:41,347 --> 00:34:44,667
Speaker 17: terms with the realities of playing in Australia and the

634
00:34:44,707 --> 00:34:49,787
Speaker 17: implications of taking the contract and losing malgibility, and so

635
00:34:50,147 --> 00:34:54,027
Speaker 17: I guess twelve months later to be able to be

636
00:34:54,107 --> 00:34:57,787
Speaker 17: back included in the squad and be excited about the

637
00:34:57,867 --> 00:35:00,227
Speaker 17: games we have coming up to the opportunity to contribute

638
00:35:00,747 --> 00:35:03,267
Speaker 17: for a year that I feel with a lot of

639
00:35:03,307 --> 00:35:06,227
Speaker 17: growth and challenge and you experience it's a very co

640
00:35:06,547 --> 00:35:08,387
Speaker 17: time and can't went to get back home.

641
00:35:08,587 --> 00:35:11,507
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about the process of applying for

642
00:35:11,587 --> 00:35:13,067
Speaker 2: the exemption? What did that involve?

643
00:35:14,187 --> 00:35:15,867
Speaker 17: Yeah, so I get this, spent most of the year

644
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:18,627
Speaker 17: with my fingers and toe's cross hoping that there would

645
00:35:18,707 --> 00:35:22,947
Speaker 17: be some sort of process stipulated. I guess the hardest

646
00:35:22,947 --> 00:35:25,947
Speaker 17: part was that there wasn't Prior to this, there was

647
00:35:25,987 --> 00:35:28,627
Speaker 17: not really a formal process that we could go through,

648
00:35:28,707 --> 00:35:32,227
Speaker 17: and so once they announced that they were going to

649
00:35:32,267 --> 00:35:35,587
Speaker 17: allow for applications to be considered It all happened very

650
00:35:35,587 --> 00:35:39,307
Speaker 17: fast in terms of when you're outlining the criteria and

651
00:35:39,347 --> 00:35:43,307
Speaker 17: the Christians and answers we needed to provide and speak to,

652
00:35:43,467 --> 00:35:45,667
Speaker 17: and then it was a matter of putting the application

653
00:35:45,787 --> 00:35:48,787
Speaker 17: together and it sat with the new Zel on board

654
00:35:48,787 --> 00:35:52,067
Speaker 17: and they came back to us quite quickly with their response.

655
00:35:52,147 --> 00:35:54,227
Speaker 17: But it was a pretty seamless process once you got

656
00:35:54,267 --> 00:35:57,947
Speaker 17: into it. Obviously quite time sensitive as we were applying

657
00:35:57,987 --> 00:36:00,907
Speaker 17: in the midst of you know, verbal offers intent from

658
00:36:00,907 --> 00:36:05,787
Speaker 17: different clubs, kind of waiting to know what the landscape

659
00:36:05,827 --> 00:36:06,107
Speaker 17: looked like.

660
00:36:06,107 --> 00:36:08,907
Speaker 2: A new when you made the decision twelve months ago.

661
00:36:08,947 --> 00:36:11,307
Speaker 2: I think we might have even spoken shortly after you did.

662
00:36:11,427 --> 00:36:15,107
Speaker 2: Did you feel confident? Did you have any indication as

663
00:36:15,107 --> 00:36:18,867
Speaker 2: to whether the eligibility rules would in fact be examined?

664
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Speaker 2: Did you have confidence that they would be.

665
00:36:23,827 --> 00:36:27,587
Speaker 17: There wasn't an overwhelming sense of confidence, but there wasn't

666
00:36:27,627 --> 00:36:32,147
Speaker 17: an overwhelming sense that it was impossible. I felt that

667
00:36:32,227 --> 00:36:34,707
Speaker 17: I was making a decision that felt right for me,

668
00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:37,307
Speaker 17: and that's all I could do, and all I can

669
00:36:37,347 --> 00:36:40,947
Speaker 17: control was my action, and so I felt comfortable with

670
00:36:40,987 --> 00:36:46,467
Speaker 17: my choice and comfortable with the repercussions, and obviously establishedly

671
00:36:46,507 --> 00:36:49,307
Speaker 17: I was hopeful that it would be reviewed and my

672
00:36:49,387 --> 00:36:53,867
Speaker 17: talks with New Villain, they spoke to, you know, their

673
00:36:53,867 --> 00:36:57,427
Speaker 17: best interest is ensuring the quality and the longevity of

674
00:36:57,467 --> 00:36:59,747
Speaker 17: the game in New Zealand, which I do understand and respect,

675
00:36:59,787 --> 00:37:02,827
Speaker 17: and so with that they would act in a way

676
00:37:02,827 --> 00:37:09,227
Speaker 17: that would fulfill those desires. I felt that, you know,

677
00:37:09,507 --> 00:37:12,267
Speaker 17: were the World Cup in Calm Games coming up, maybe

678
00:37:12,267 --> 00:37:16,307
Speaker 17: they would the opportunity to, you know, have some more

679
00:37:16,387 --> 00:37:19,947
Speaker 17: open discussions about what it looks like to play for

680
00:37:20,067 --> 00:37:22,187
Speaker 17: New Zealand and where you play your club at all.

681
00:37:22,467 --> 00:37:25,307
Speaker 17: And I'm very grateful that that had led to a

682
00:37:25,387 --> 00:37:27,867
Speaker 17: relaxing of the rules which had hopefully been the best

683
00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:31,907
Speaker 17: interest of people in New Zealand and the Silver Ferns performances.

684
00:37:32,067 --> 00:37:36,027
Speaker 2: That's Grace Weki after her exemption was granted that she

685
00:37:36,067 --> 00:37:38,787
Speaker 2: could play in Australia and also still play for the

686
00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:41,187
Speaker 2: Silver Ferns. This is our year and review show nine

687
00:37:41,187 --> 00:37:42,867
Speaker 2: and a half away from one New Stalks EDB.

688
00:37:43,867 --> 00:37:48,947
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every Fields Weekends

689
00:37:49,027 --> 00:37:51,707
Speaker 1: fort with Jason m Newstalk.

690
00:37:51,547 --> 00:37:54,747
Speaker 2: Zenb looking back on twenty twenty five, The Warriors, of

691
00:37:54,747 --> 00:37:57,227
Speaker 2: course opened their season in Vegas, didn't go well for

692
00:37:57,307 --> 00:38:00,387
Speaker 2: them on the field they lost thirty eight to the Raiders,

693
00:38:00,387 --> 00:38:02,947
Speaker 2: but off the field, the trip to Vegas became all

694
00:38:02,987 --> 00:38:05,427
Speaker 2: the more special for one pair of Kiwi super fans

695
00:38:05,707 --> 00:38:07,587
Speaker 2: who took the opportunity and the lead up to the

696
00:38:07,627 --> 00:38:11,707
Speaker 2: game to renew their vows. Ben and Anna Roska were

697
00:38:11,747 --> 00:38:14,747
Speaker 2: among the fans who traveled. They joined me from Vegas

698
00:38:14,787 --> 00:38:16,987
Speaker 2: on game day and I asked Anna if it was

699
00:38:17,027 --> 00:38:20,787
Speaker 2: always the plan to renew their vows during the NRL's

700
00:38:20,867 --> 00:38:21,747
Speaker 2: Vegas weekend.

701
00:38:22,627 --> 00:38:25,507
Speaker 15: Absolutely, absolutely, And the timing was so good at our

702
00:38:25,507 --> 00:38:27,267
Speaker 15: twentieth wedding anniversary as well.

703
00:38:27,067 --> 00:38:29,227
Speaker 6: So what better way to start our Vegas trip.

704
00:38:29,267 --> 00:38:31,787
Speaker 18: And then obviously got the Warriors today, which we're really

705
00:38:31,787 --> 00:38:33,147
Speaker 18: amped up about, so it's going.

706
00:38:33,107 --> 00:38:33,667
Speaker 16: To be awesome.

707
00:38:33,707 --> 00:38:36,827
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on the renewal and on your wedding anniversary.

708
00:38:36,987 --> 00:38:40,107
Speaker 2: Now you weren't married in Vegas, but I think you

709
00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:42,547
Speaker 2: renewed your vows one other time there, Ben, did you?

710
00:38:43,227 --> 00:38:43,827
Speaker 14: Yeah, we did.

711
00:38:43,867 --> 00:38:47,187
Speaker 19: We did it fifteen years ago with Elvis, and it

712
00:38:47,307 --> 00:38:49,107
Speaker 19: was just crazy that this time round it was the

713
00:38:49,107 --> 00:38:52,147
Speaker 19: same Elvis that married us. Remarried us fifteen years ago,

714
00:38:52,587 --> 00:38:53,587
Speaker 19: is an absolute character.

715
00:38:53,587 --> 00:38:58,467
Speaker 2: It was amazing it was the same Elvis from because

716
00:38:58,467 --> 00:39:02,467
Speaker 2: there must be many many Elvis celebrants in Vegas. Did

717
00:39:02,507 --> 00:39:04,547
Speaker 2: you specifically try to find the same guy.

718
00:39:05,187 --> 00:39:06,907
Speaker 6: No, it was it was a fluke.

719
00:39:06,907 --> 00:39:09,427
Speaker 19: He had actually moved chapels from one chapel to another

720
00:39:09,667 --> 00:39:13,347
Speaker 19: and it was at a different chapels to be set

721
00:39:13,387 --> 00:39:13,587
Speaker 19: to be.

722
00:39:14,787 --> 00:39:17,827
Speaker 2: I mean you would have remembered him, Well, I don't know.

723
00:39:18,107 --> 00:39:21,307
Speaker 2: He probably marries and renews vows for many couples. Did

724
00:39:21,307 --> 00:39:23,347
Speaker 2: he remember you from fifteen years ago?

725
00:39:24,227 --> 00:39:27,427
Speaker 19: He reckoned By the end of the ceremony, he definitely clipped,

726
00:39:27,467 --> 00:39:28,707
Speaker 19: So I think so.

727
00:39:29,587 --> 00:39:33,667
Speaker 2: Now I've seen the photos, as I say, being the blazer,

728
00:39:33,707 --> 00:39:36,467
Speaker 2: the Warriors blazer that you're wearing, that is that specially

729
00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:37,587
Speaker 2: made for this occasion.

730
00:39:38,347 --> 00:39:42,467
Speaker 19: Yeah, there was tailor made in Thailand. So there's an amazing,

731
00:39:42,587 --> 00:39:45,467
Speaker 19: amazing well fitted suit. And then we had the boys

732
00:39:45,507 --> 00:39:47,587
Speaker 19: cut it out and Warriors suits as well.

733
00:39:47,747 --> 00:39:49,267
Speaker 20: So we're all looking the part.

734
00:39:49,907 --> 00:39:52,027
Speaker 2: Anna, this is just what a cool family occasion. So

735
00:39:52,067 --> 00:39:54,547
Speaker 2: your boys, Anna, they were clearly keen to be involved

736
00:39:54,547 --> 00:39:55,547
Speaker 2: in this whole thing as well.

737
00:39:56,387 --> 00:39:58,587
Speaker 18: Yeah, No, they were, they were keen. They were keen,

738
00:39:58,667 --> 00:40:01,547
Speaker 18: and after we renewed our vows, we actually all headed

739
00:40:01,587 --> 00:40:03,667
Speaker 18: to Fremont Street and we all did the zipline as

740
00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:06,027
Speaker 18: a family. But I lost my veil.

741
00:40:06,627 --> 00:40:11,267
Speaker 2: It was zipline, what was absolutely crazy in my.

742
00:40:11,187 --> 00:40:13,267
Speaker 21: Wedding dress, but my veil flew off on the red

743
00:40:13,307 --> 00:40:15,627
Speaker 21: carpet and I lost it.

744
00:40:15,627 --> 00:40:18,227
Speaker 19: It was over the top of the NRL opening party,

745
00:40:18,347 --> 00:40:21,467
Speaker 19: so Fremont Street was packed with ten thousand crazy fans

746
00:40:21,907 --> 00:40:24,067
Speaker 19: while we ziplined over the top and our wedding attire.

747
00:40:24,147 --> 00:40:25,947
Speaker 20: So yeah, it was amazing.

748
00:40:25,947 --> 00:40:27,747
Speaker 19: Sam Burgess was on stage and he stopped what he

749
00:40:27,787 --> 00:40:29,187
Speaker 19: was saying to give us a wave as we was

750
00:40:29,867 --> 00:40:30,627
Speaker 19: ziplining past.

751
00:40:31,067 --> 00:40:33,147
Speaker 2: That is so cool. The thing about it is that

752
00:40:33,427 --> 00:40:35,547
Speaker 2: you know these things would be out of place in

753
00:40:35,587 --> 00:40:38,707
Speaker 2: other cities, but in Vegas it's probably just an everyday occurrence.

754
00:40:40,427 --> 00:40:41,947
Speaker 6: Yes, Oh it was nuts.

755
00:40:41,947 --> 00:40:42,787
Speaker 14: It was absolutely nuts.

756
00:40:42,827 --> 00:40:44,947
Speaker 19: It was such a such a good day, and we

757
00:40:44,947 --> 00:40:48,707
Speaker 19: were treadlight celebrities walking around the NRAL fan zone. Every

758
00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:51,187
Speaker 19: second person wanted a photo with us, so we actually

759
00:40:51,187 --> 00:40:52,547
Speaker 19: felt like celebrities on the day.

760
00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:55,547
Speaker 2: That is being an Ana Roscoe who renewed their vows

761
00:40:55,547 --> 00:40:57,827
Speaker 2: in Vegas. More from our Year and Review. After one

762
00:40:58,987 --> 00:41:03,107
Speaker 2: well feature Andrew Webster, he popped in for a studio

763
00:41:03,267 --> 00:41:05,827
Speaker 2: chat as he has done the last couple of years.

764
00:41:06,427 --> 00:41:10,267
Speaker 2: Get some thoughts from Warriors coach Andrew Webster, Zobey Sadowski

765
00:41:10,347 --> 00:41:14,387
Speaker 2: sint after her success in the X Games, some analysis

766
00:41:14,427 --> 00:41:18,627
Speaker 2: of Liam Lawson's first full time year as a Formula

767
00:41:18,667 --> 00:41:22,787
Speaker 2: One driver, and one of the more harrowing interviews of

768
00:41:22,827 --> 00:41:26,027
Speaker 2: the year as well with former All Whites goalkeeper Jake Gleeson,

769
00:41:26,387 --> 00:41:34,627
Speaker 2: who was finally awarded damages for the medical misadventure or

770
00:41:34,667 --> 00:41:39,347
Speaker 2: malpractice of his former employers at Portland. All of that

771
00:41:39,427 --> 00:41:41,547
Speaker 2: to come this hour as we look back on the

772
00:41:41,627 --> 00:41:43,987
Speaker 2: year in review. Our lines are open O. Eight hundred

773
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty on Text nine two ninety two

774
00:41:46,627 --> 00:41:48,667
Speaker 2: Before we get to any of that. One of the

775
00:41:48,707 --> 00:41:51,467
Speaker 2: best parts of twenty twenty five I have to say

776
00:41:52,187 --> 00:41:55,227
Speaker 2: was the opportunity to take the show on what I

777
00:41:55,227 --> 00:41:59,267
Speaker 2: would like to call the nationwide weekend sport pub crawl.

778
00:41:59,907 --> 00:42:02,627
Speaker 2: Not that I was drinking during the shows, a lot

779
00:42:02,627 --> 00:42:05,387
Speaker 2: of others who were there were, but on several occasions

780
00:42:05,387 --> 00:42:09,347
Speaker 2: we took the show some of New Zealand's finest establishments

781
00:42:10,107 --> 00:42:13,907
Speaker 2: right around the country ahead of big sporting events in

782
00:42:13,987 --> 00:42:17,067
Speaker 2: those cities. In late May. We kicked it off at

783
00:42:17,307 --> 00:42:20,867
Speaker 2: Tyler Street Sport in Auckland, down by Britain mart for

784
00:42:20,907 --> 00:42:24,547
Speaker 2: Auckland FC's home semi final in the A League, where

785
00:42:24,547 --> 00:42:26,347
Speaker 2: I met a few Melbourne Victory fans.

786
00:42:26,667 --> 00:42:28,587
Speaker 22: It's funny because when I got off the plane, they're like,

787
00:42:28,707 --> 00:42:29,987
Speaker 22: what are you here for. I'm like, I'm here for

788
00:42:30,027 --> 00:42:32,387
Speaker 22: the football and the police officer first and he goes,

789
00:42:32,587 --> 00:42:33,987
Speaker 22: I've been warned about you guys.

790
00:42:34,867 --> 00:42:37,867
Speaker 2: Wow wow. But that's the thing too, isn't it that

791
00:42:37,987 --> 00:42:42,067
Speaker 2: sometimes you know that Look, I think particularly the Australian

792
00:42:42,107 --> 00:42:43,907
Speaker 2: media not so much here, but they pick up on

793
00:42:43,947 --> 00:42:45,867
Speaker 2: anything to do with football that can paint it in

794
00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:46,347
Speaker 2: a bad light.

795
00:42:46,467 --> 00:42:46,827
Speaker 23: Right Yeah.

796
00:42:46,827 --> 00:42:49,267
Speaker 22: So I'm not sure if you've seen like we haud

797
00:42:49,307 --> 00:42:52,027
Speaker 22: of March before the game last week and the leading

798
00:42:52,107 --> 00:42:56,147
Speaker 22: story on the main news channel Channel seven was just smarts.

799
00:42:56,667 --> 00:42:58,667
Speaker 22: The police had no problems with it. It was all

800
00:42:58,787 --> 00:43:01,187
Speaker 22: done in good spirit. They made it like like we're

801
00:43:01,187 --> 00:43:03,547
Speaker 22: suburban terrast made it's the media.

802
00:43:03,627 --> 00:43:07,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bees, but it's it's.

803
00:43:07,067 --> 00:43:09,227
Speaker 24: Good coming over here because we don't have any rival

804
00:43:09,347 --> 00:43:11,147
Speaker 24: with the Auckland It's not like going to Sydney in Adelaide,

805
00:43:11,147 --> 00:43:12,587
Speaker 24: where you can't drink at the same pub.

806
00:43:12,987 --> 00:43:14,707
Speaker 3: That's what we love what happens.

807
00:43:14,427 --> 00:43:15,787
Speaker 22: That's why we come here. We want to have a

808
00:43:15,827 --> 00:43:16,787
Speaker 22: bere with the Auckland guys.

809
00:43:16,987 --> 00:43:19,307
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they were two Melbourne Victory fans who actually

810
00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:21,907
Speaker 2: ended up being a great night because Auckland FC went

811
00:43:21,947 --> 00:43:24,707
Speaker 2: down to Melbourne Victory that night and Victory went through

812
00:43:24,747 --> 00:43:27,907
Speaker 2: to the Grand Final. In late June, we parked up

813
00:43:28,027 --> 00:43:31,507
Speaker 2: at the iconic Rock Pool in christ Church ahead of

814
00:43:31,547 --> 00:43:34,507
Speaker 2: the Super Rugby Final between the Crusaders and the Chiefs.

815
00:43:34,787 --> 00:43:39,907
Speaker 2: Chiefs CEO Simon Grafis and Crusader's boss Colin Mansbridge stopped

816
00:43:39,947 --> 00:43:40,627
Speaker 2: in for a chat.

817
00:43:41,107 --> 00:43:44,427
Speaker 24: I saw Simon's coaching group today walking around Hagley Park

818
00:43:44,467 --> 00:43:46,027
Speaker 24: as I was going for a jog around this so

819
00:43:46,027 --> 00:43:47,267
Speaker 24: I've managed to get in their.

820
00:43:47,147 --> 00:43:49,387
Speaker 3: Heads a bit before they've turned up today. So don't

821
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:50,227
Speaker 3: worry about that pining.

822
00:43:50,427 --> 00:43:52,027
Speaker 2: Can we get the cow bell thing out of the

823
00:43:52,027 --> 00:43:54,947
Speaker 2: way early? Like, have you brought any down Simon to

824
00:43:54,987 --> 00:43:55,267
Speaker 2: start with?

825
00:43:55,707 --> 00:43:55,827
Speaker 25: Oh?

826
00:43:55,867 --> 00:44:06,067
Speaker 8: Hang on, I'm actually hoping Colin Wtt smuggled in for me.

827
00:44:08,627 --> 00:44:10,787
Speaker 24: There's only one person that we're going to be searching

828
00:44:10,827 --> 00:44:13,387
Speaker 24: at the gate today and that's the one that you've

829
00:44:13,427 --> 00:44:13,867
Speaker 24: just seen.

830
00:44:14,187 --> 00:44:16,747
Speaker 2: So then it was into the All Blacks season. We

831
00:44:16,747 --> 00:44:20,507
Speaker 2: were at Emerson's in Dunedin for Test one against France

832
00:44:20,547 --> 00:44:23,867
Speaker 2: and joined there by, among others former Rugby World Cup

833
00:44:23,907 --> 00:44:27,547
Speaker 2: winning All Blacks Oka Andrew Hoare. This wouldn't have been

834
00:44:27,587 --> 00:44:30,187
Speaker 2: your first trip to Emerson's. I wouldn't imagine, no. But

835
00:44:30,467 --> 00:44:31,747
Speaker 2: it's quite a handy spot, isn't it.

836
00:44:32,187 --> 00:44:33,987
Speaker 26: A few VARs here and stumble down on the rugby,

837
00:44:33,987 --> 00:44:34,427
Speaker 26: so it's.

838
00:44:34,307 --> 00:44:36,827
Speaker 2: Perfect, absolutely perfect. What are you up to these days?

839
00:44:36,867 --> 00:44:37,107
Speaker 22: Mate?

840
00:44:37,547 --> 00:44:39,787
Speaker 26: Just back home running the farm. So took over the

841
00:44:39,827 --> 00:44:43,227
Speaker 26: farm ten years ago or something. So last year is

842
00:44:43,227 --> 00:44:45,387
Speaker 26: pretty tough for finsra strakes and prices and this year's

843
00:44:45,387 --> 00:44:47,867
Speaker 26: things are looking pretty good. So farm is good and

844
00:44:47,907 --> 00:44:49,627
Speaker 26: fun and just away from it down here watch a

845
00:44:49,627 --> 00:44:51,627
Speaker 26: bit of footy and a catch up a few people

846
00:44:51,667 --> 00:44:52,507
Speaker 26: over the weekends.

847
00:44:52,587 --> 00:44:55,227
Speaker 2: You obviously talked about watching rugby these days. Do you

848
00:44:55,267 --> 00:44:56,747
Speaker 2: have any more official involvements?

849
00:44:57,667 --> 00:44:57,747
Speaker 25: Not?

850
00:44:57,827 --> 00:44:58,747
Speaker 6: Really help out?

851
00:44:59,027 --> 00:45:02,387
Speaker 26: See the Targo team were cople mates and I coached

852
00:45:02,387 --> 00:45:04,147
Speaker 26: at for the Top Cup which we had to win

853
00:45:04,187 --> 00:45:06,867
Speaker 26: this year on alex It is pretty good and to

854
00:45:06,867 --> 00:45:09,587
Speaker 26: see how about the young fellow and his unopen grade

855
00:45:09,587 --> 00:45:12,507
Speaker 26: team here and Toneda we'll see. He's twelve, so he's

856
00:45:13,387 --> 00:45:15,427
Speaker 26: been around and seen us here a Jordy beret this morning,

857
00:45:15,467 --> 00:45:18,387
Speaker 26: so he's pumped about that. And I felt like a

858
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,467
Speaker 26: little group at the hotel. But they're sweet, so he's

859
00:45:20,547 --> 00:45:21,387
Speaker 26: right into it.

860
00:45:21,387 --> 00:45:25,627
Speaker 2: That was the unmistakable voice of Andrew Hoare. A week later,

861
00:45:26,107 --> 00:45:29,707
Speaker 2: another former Rugby World Cup winning All Black soccer Dane Coles,

862
00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:32,787
Speaker 2: joined US at Shed twenty two and Wellington. That was

863
00:45:32,827 --> 00:45:35,027
Speaker 2: ahead of the second Test against France, so I asked

864
00:45:35,067 --> 00:45:37,507
Speaker 2: him if he missed playing on the day of a

865
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Speaker 2: Test with all the buzz and excitement around.

866
00:45:40,547 --> 00:45:43,107
Speaker 27: Today, I actually do like coming home to Williamson. I

867
00:45:43,147 --> 00:45:45,147
Speaker 27: live up in Carperty, so the building and just walking

868
00:45:45,187 --> 00:45:46,147
Speaker 27: around and see all the fans.

869
00:45:46,187 --> 00:45:47,027
Speaker 6: You know, it's been It's a.

870
00:45:46,947 --> 00:45:49,867
Speaker 27: Different buzz, but yeah, at least I get to go

871
00:45:49,907 --> 00:45:51,427
Speaker 27: to the game and kind of watch it from the seats,

872
00:45:51,467 --> 00:45:53,667
Speaker 27: and I don't miss the contact pine But yeah, I

873
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:55,307
Speaker 27: suppose a big build up with your kids and your

874
00:45:55,307 --> 00:45:58,627
Speaker 27: family is always special. But no regrets made. I'm happy

875
00:45:58,667 --> 00:46:00,667
Speaker 27: to be on the other side now and just sit

876
00:46:00,787 --> 00:46:01,867
Speaker 27: and have a beer and watch the game.

877
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:05,787
Speaker 2: And the following week Stephen Donald stopped into the roaming

878
00:46:05,947 --> 00:46:09,267
Speaker 2: giant Hamilton. We had a great chat and I wanted

879
00:46:09,307 --> 00:46:13,547
Speaker 2: to know if he was actually white baiting when Graham

880
00:46:13,627 --> 00:46:17,627
Speaker 2: Henry called him into the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup squad.

881
00:46:18,147 --> 00:46:20,267
Speaker 28: A lot of my friends trying to say, were you

882
00:46:21,187 --> 00:46:22,747
Speaker 28: or were you just trying to make a quick buck

883
00:46:22,747 --> 00:46:25,227
Speaker 28: from the next movie or something, But no, it's true.

884
00:46:25,267 --> 00:46:28,667
Speaker 28: I was white bating down the river with my great

885
00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,747
Speaker 28: mate Douggie. And the River's got a pretty good reception

886
00:46:32,867 --> 00:46:34,587
Speaker 28: these days, isn't it. But that part of it is

887
00:46:34,627 --> 00:46:37,067
Speaker 28: still to this day hasn't been covered by any of

888
00:46:37,107 --> 00:46:41,307
Speaker 28: the any vitowers. So yeah, I was none the wise,

889
00:46:41,347 --> 00:46:45,947
Speaker 28: And you know, I went down there that day having

890
00:46:45,987 --> 00:46:48,907
Speaker 28: no information but thinking, shit, it's not me then who

891
00:46:49,067 --> 00:46:52,747
Speaker 28: you know? So obviously had already been an injury, and

892
00:46:52,747 --> 00:46:54,707
Speaker 28: you'd had a glimmer of hope. But my great mate

893
00:46:54,747 --> 00:46:56,347
Speaker 28: Cruds had got caught him ahead of me there on

894
00:46:56,387 --> 00:47:01,427
Speaker 28: that one, And yeah, I had hopes. But at the

895
00:47:01,467 --> 00:47:03,827
Speaker 28: time Pitty was goal kicking Petty. He had also the

896
00:47:03,867 --> 00:47:08,307
Speaker 28: ability to probably cover ten if me and I didn't

897
00:47:08,307 --> 00:47:11,467
Speaker 28: know how deep the Hong Kong fallout ran with the coaches,

898
00:47:11,507 --> 00:47:14,107
Speaker 28: you know, like, did they say I mean on yours

899
00:47:14,347 --> 00:47:17,787
Speaker 28: gone from the early announcements, But did it mean that

900
00:47:17,907 --> 00:47:20,507
Speaker 28: if they were down to number three, was I still gone?

901
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:20,827
Speaker 25: Gone?

902
00:47:21,187 --> 00:47:24,547
Speaker 28: So I went down. They have no ambition or thought

903
00:47:24,827 --> 00:47:26,067
Speaker 28: of being a part of it.

904
00:47:26,187 --> 00:47:28,307
Speaker 2: Well he ended up being a massive part of it.

905
00:47:28,307 --> 00:47:31,267
Speaker 2: Great to chatter Beaver and Hamilton. Then it was off

906
00:47:31,267 --> 00:47:34,187
Speaker 2: to Auckland for the biggest test of the year against

907
00:47:34,227 --> 00:47:37,307
Speaker 2: South Africa at Eden Park and we parked up at

908
00:47:37,307 --> 00:47:40,707
Speaker 2: the Kingslander and met many All Blacks fans.

909
00:47:41,067 --> 00:47:43,347
Speaker 18: I think we got here at seven minutes too, and

910
00:47:43,467 --> 00:47:45,507
Speaker 18: we were told no, no, it doesn't open until twelve,

911
00:47:45,547 --> 00:47:47,387
Speaker 18: so we were outside on the foot path.

912
00:47:47,547 --> 00:47:49,707
Speaker 2: So what just keen to rather than just sort of

913
00:47:49,707 --> 00:47:51,507
Speaker 2: come to the game tonight and get rid of this?

914
00:47:51,587 --> 00:47:53,627
Speaker 18: Listen to you from home to Tony.

915
00:47:53,667 --> 00:47:55,707
Speaker 22: We've got to be here, so we are now.

916
00:47:55,867 --> 00:47:58,187
Speaker 2: You don't look nervous, Tony. Are you nervous about the

917
00:47:58,187 --> 00:47:58,747
Speaker 2: game tonight?

918
00:47:58,827 --> 00:47:59,187
Speaker 1: Well?

919
00:47:59,307 --> 00:48:01,987
Speaker 29: It was a bit nerve wracking getting ready this morning,

920
00:48:02,507 --> 00:48:05,427
Speaker 29: my run sheet, of getting the All Blacks Jersey on,

921
00:48:05,587 --> 00:48:09,147
Speaker 29: supporters jersey, getting my makeup on, you know, packing my

922
00:48:09,267 --> 00:48:12,187
Speaker 29: battery pack for my phone out last year, listening it's

923
00:48:12,187 --> 00:48:15,907
Speaker 29: a thing I needed every second, so yeah, yeah, I'm

924
00:48:15,907 --> 00:48:16,267
Speaker 29: a bit there.

925
00:48:16,387 --> 00:48:18,667
Speaker 2: Well, I just thought the All Blacks had had some,

926
00:48:18,867 --> 00:48:22,427
Speaker 2: you know, some fairly extreme game day preparation. It sounds

927
00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:24,227
Speaker 2: like sounds like fans.

928
00:48:23,907 --> 00:48:28,427
Speaker 18: Just burrowing my husband's charging cord for the mobile phone.

929
00:48:28,467 --> 00:48:29,947
Speaker 18: He was like, but where are you going to find

930
00:48:29,987 --> 00:48:31,547
Speaker 18: a plug. I'm like, we'll find a plug. We'll just

931
00:48:31,547 --> 00:48:32,307
Speaker 18: stand beside it.

932
00:48:32,427 --> 00:48:34,667
Speaker 2: There are actually more plugs than you think around the place.

933
00:48:35,347 --> 00:48:37,467
Speaker 2: There's a couple over here. You can use it exactly

934
00:48:37,587 --> 00:48:40,307
Speaker 2: if you need to. Some wonderful All Blacks fans at

935
00:48:40,307 --> 00:48:42,947
Speaker 2: the Kingslander. Back down to Wellington we went for the

936
00:48:42,987 --> 00:48:46,187
Speaker 2: second South African Test and back to Sheard twenty two,

937
00:48:46,587 --> 00:48:49,627
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup winner near him. Ilner's scudder

938
00:48:49,667 --> 00:48:51,187
Speaker 2: popped in for a chat that day.

939
00:48:51,987 --> 00:48:54,667
Speaker 30: Did a bit of a wander through town early doors.

940
00:48:54,707 --> 00:48:56,467
Speaker 30: My daughter loves getting on the cable car, so I

941
00:48:56,467 --> 00:48:58,547
Speaker 30: thought I will get out there bright and early to

942
00:48:58,587 --> 00:49:01,147
Speaker 30: miss all the Russian I thought, I was, you know,

943
00:49:01,187 --> 00:49:03,187
Speaker 30: and Joe Burg or something with all the green and

944
00:49:03,987 --> 00:49:07,707
Speaker 30: gold jerseys on the cable car and rolling around Lenton.

945
00:49:07,787 --> 00:49:11,227
Speaker 30: So it's awesome, buzz. You're really excited for tonight and

946
00:49:11,747 --> 00:49:12,827
Speaker 30: yere it's going to be a good one.

947
00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:15,347
Speaker 2: And then back up to Auckland for the final home

948
00:49:15,427 --> 00:49:17,747
Speaker 2: test of the year, the Bleedislow Cup, where we met

949
00:49:17,787 --> 00:49:21,947
Speaker 2: some absolutely wonderful Wallabies fans. We got in last night,

950
00:49:22,547 --> 00:49:25,027
Speaker 2: late afternoon and it's been a big build up last

951
00:49:25,107 --> 00:49:27,467
Speaker 2: night and then through today lunchdown at the Viaduct and

952
00:49:27,467 --> 00:49:30,067
Speaker 2: building into the game. It's fantastic, absolutely brilliant to have

953
00:49:30,147 --> 00:49:32,747
Speaker 2: you here. How optimistic do you feel that you're going

954
00:49:32,787 --> 00:49:35,387
Speaker 2: to witness something special out there in the next couple

955
00:49:35,427 --> 00:49:37,267
Speaker 2: of hours. From a wallerby's point of view.

956
00:49:37,027 --> 00:49:37,507
Speaker 23: Do you know what?

957
00:49:37,587 --> 00:49:37,867
Speaker 22: I reckon?

958
00:49:37,907 --> 00:49:40,187
Speaker 31: We're a better chance tonight or today than we have

959
00:49:40,267 --> 00:49:41,347
Speaker 31: been in fifteen years.

960
00:49:41,907 --> 00:49:43,547
Speaker 2: It'll be a massive upset if we get the w

961
00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:45,427
Speaker 2: but we are a chance.

962
00:49:45,587 --> 00:49:47,267
Speaker 31: And if the boys turn up and they draw a

963
00:49:47,267 --> 00:49:49,107
Speaker 31: line in the sand and they bring it, we'll go

964
00:49:49,187 --> 00:49:49,747
Speaker 31: home proud.

965
00:49:49,827 --> 00:49:50,827
Speaker 2: That's all we're looking for.

966
00:49:51,507 --> 00:49:52,987
Speaker 31: But do you know what we are half a chance

967
00:49:53,027 --> 00:49:54,947
Speaker 31: tonight and the Abs might be under a bit of pressure.

968
00:49:55,067 --> 00:49:57,107
Speaker 31: You guys are defending a record now. I think you

969
00:49:57,147 --> 00:49:59,187
Speaker 31: may be looking over your shoulder a little bit of us.

970
00:49:59,547 --> 00:50:01,867
Speaker 31: It doesn't happen very often. I reckon it could be

971
00:50:01,867 --> 00:50:02,507
Speaker 31: on the cards.

972
00:50:02,707 --> 00:50:06,987
Speaker 2: This is razor sharp analysis from you mate. You sound

973
00:50:07,027 --> 00:50:09,467
Speaker 2: like a broadcast professional. And we just got lucky and

974
00:50:09,547 --> 00:50:13,107
Speaker 2: brought over, brought over one of rugby Australia's greatest handlers.

975
00:50:13,187 --> 00:50:19,067
Speaker 2: It's done well, poney, yep. How have the last two

976
00:50:19,107 --> 00:50:21,827
Speaker 2: decades been without that cup? It's tough. It's tough.

977
00:50:21,867 --> 00:50:23,147
Speaker 31: I grew up in an era when we used to

978
00:50:23,147 --> 00:50:28,747
Speaker 31: school you guys, Gregan Larkham, Burke Eels, so it's been really,

979
00:50:28,827 --> 00:50:30,787
Speaker 31: really tough, and rugby in Australia has been struggling, like

980
00:50:30,827 --> 00:50:33,867
Speaker 31: there's no doubt about it. The Lines tour just gone

981
00:50:33,907 --> 00:50:36,307
Speaker 31: has been fantastic and it's great to see the Aussies

982
00:50:36,347 --> 00:50:38,587
Speaker 31: have been playing with some pride and you know, the

983
00:50:38,627 --> 00:50:39,547
Speaker 31: guy's been doing their best.

984
00:50:39,587 --> 00:50:40,427
Speaker 2: The last two decades.

985
00:50:40,507 --> 00:50:42,707
Speaker 31: We just haven't been good enough, but we feel like

986
00:50:42,707 --> 00:50:44,467
Speaker 31: we get Vina momentum now. We might not be good

987
00:50:44,507 --> 00:50:46,427
Speaker 31: enough tonight, but at least we're here with the show,

988
00:50:46,507 --> 00:50:47,067
Speaker 31: which is great.

989
00:50:47,907 --> 00:50:50,787
Speaker 2: Just so many great memories from our pub tour. We've

990
00:50:50,787 --> 00:50:52,907
Speaker 2: got to do that again in twenty twenty six, hopefully

991
00:50:52,907 --> 00:50:54,827
Speaker 2: we will, but the opportunity to take the show on

992
00:50:54,867 --> 00:50:57,627
Speaker 2: the road during twenty twenty five was one of the

993
00:50:57,627 --> 00:51:02,787
Speaker 2: true joys of the year here at Weekend Sport one seventeen.

994
00:51:03,147 --> 00:51:04,907
Speaker 2: Let's go right back to the start of the year.

995
00:51:05,027 --> 00:51:09,907
Speaker 2: In Januaryloe Sadowski Senate once again celebrated gold at the

996
00:51:10,147 --> 00:51:13,267
Speaker 2: X Games in Aspen. She was victorious in the women's

997
00:51:13,427 --> 00:51:17,187
Speaker 2: slope style, her fifth gold in that event, her sixth

998
00:51:17,307 --> 00:51:21,507
Speaker 2: overall at the X Games. I spoke to Zoe Sadowski

999
00:51:21,547 --> 00:51:22,907
Speaker 2: Senate shortly after the run.

1000
00:51:23,507 --> 00:51:27,147
Speaker 32: Yeah, honestly, I can't really believe it. I put down

1001
00:51:27,187 --> 00:51:31,067
Speaker 32: and run that I didn't even think was possible that

1002
00:51:31,147 --> 00:51:35,267
Speaker 32: I would ever do. And so to come back after

1003
00:51:35,587 --> 00:51:38,267
Speaker 32: an injury that put me out last year and come

1004
00:51:38,307 --> 00:51:41,027
Speaker 32: back to do that run and win gold, it means

1005
00:51:41,027 --> 00:51:41,587
Speaker 32: everything to me.

1006
00:51:41,987 --> 00:51:45,307
Speaker 2: So the run, you're talking about the world's first triple

1007
00:51:45,467 --> 00:51:48,827
Speaker 2: cork in a women's slopestyle competition. First of all, you're

1008
00:51:48,827 --> 00:51:50,147
Speaker 2: going to have to tell us what that is.

1009
00:51:51,227 --> 00:51:53,147
Speaker 32: Yeah, at triple cork is.

1010
00:51:54,707 --> 00:51:55,427
Speaker 33: So what trick?

1011
00:51:55,587 --> 00:52:01,787
Speaker 32: It's four full rotations and you are flipping three times.

1012
00:52:03,187 --> 00:52:07,627
Speaker 32: And when we say cork, it's because it's off access

1013
00:52:07,707 --> 00:52:11,387
Speaker 32: in those four full rotations, the fourteen forty part and

1014
00:52:11,427 --> 00:52:14,867
Speaker 32: those three flips kind of men together and it's a

1015
00:52:15,107 --> 00:52:19,587
Speaker 32: really it's a really committing trick and quite a high consequence.

1016
00:52:19,667 --> 00:52:25,547
Speaker 32: So it's been absolutely terrifying to learn and then put

1017
00:52:25,627 --> 00:52:28,787
Speaker 32: it down on snow, and then now putting it into

1018
00:52:28,787 --> 00:52:31,347
Speaker 32: a competition just feels insane.

1019
00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:34,587
Speaker 2: I mean just even hearing you talk about it. So

1020
00:52:34,787 --> 00:52:37,467
Speaker 2: you've put it down in training. So was it always

1021
00:52:37,547 --> 00:52:39,587
Speaker 2: the aim to try and put it down here?

1022
00:52:40,507 --> 00:52:44,227
Speaker 32: No, not at all. Honestly, I've done it in training

1023
00:52:44,347 --> 00:52:49,347
Speaker 32: once before, and coming into X Games, I just wanted

1024
00:52:49,387 --> 00:52:52,587
Speaker 32: to do it in the big air last night, and

1025
00:52:52,707 --> 00:52:55,307
Speaker 32: even to do it there, I was so nervous to

1026
00:52:55,347 --> 00:53:00,787
Speaker 32: the point where I, yeah, it's been so long since

1027
00:53:00,827 --> 00:53:03,747
Speaker 32: I'd been at X Games, and I just knew that

1028
00:53:03,787 --> 00:53:06,507
Speaker 32: I had to do it, and I ended up doing

1029
00:53:06,547 --> 00:53:09,867
Speaker 32: a couple of them in the competition. So then the

1030
00:53:10,227 --> 00:53:12,547
Speaker 32: big air jump is the same jump as the last

1031
00:53:12,627 --> 00:53:15,427
Speaker 32: jump in the flop style course. So after doing that

1032
00:53:15,507 --> 00:53:18,907
Speaker 32: last night, coming into today, I knew that I kind

1033
00:53:18,907 --> 00:53:21,827
Speaker 32: of had only the only option was to go for

1034
00:53:21,947 --> 00:53:25,187
Speaker 32: it and try and put down this run that honestly

1035
00:53:25,307 --> 00:53:28,747
Speaker 32: seemed impossible to me a week ago.

1036
00:53:29,027 --> 00:53:32,267
Speaker 2: Well, you might the impossible possible. You committed to it,

1037
00:53:32,587 --> 00:53:34,947
Speaker 2: you land it. What are the emotions when you land it.

1038
00:53:36,107 --> 00:53:41,267
Speaker 32: Honestly, I wanted to cry after It's such a scary

1039
00:53:41,347 --> 00:53:46,587
Speaker 32: trick and after landing my whole run before it, and

1040
00:53:47,827 --> 00:53:51,547
Speaker 32: coming into that last jump knowing that I could go

1041
00:53:52,067 --> 00:53:54,387
Speaker 32: for a ten to eighty, take a step back and

1042
00:53:54,427 --> 00:54:00,267
Speaker 32: then and not do the fourteen forty like then, to

1043
00:54:00,347 --> 00:54:03,467
Speaker 32: tell myself that I could do it, and to actually

1044
00:54:03,507 --> 00:54:06,787
Speaker 32: be able to put it down when it counted, Yeah,

1045
00:54:06,827 --> 00:54:11,347
Speaker 32: emotions were definitely running high and it felt it felt insane.

1046
00:54:11,627 --> 00:54:15,587
Speaker 2: That is remarkable self talk to yourself to tell yourself

1047
00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:18,107
Speaker 2: to do it like that. Is that something that you've

1048
00:54:18,107 --> 00:54:20,987
Speaker 2: developed over time, the courage to have that sort of

1049
00:54:21,027 --> 00:54:23,147
Speaker 2: self talk and follow through with it.

1050
00:54:23,587 --> 00:54:26,267
Speaker 32: Yeah, definitely, I use a lot of self talk when

1051
00:54:26,307 --> 00:54:32,987
Speaker 32: I'm snowboarding. It's sow warning is such a confidence fueled

1052
00:54:33,107 --> 00:54:37,987
Speaker 32: sport and it's all about scaring yourself and to have

1053
00:54:39,107 --> 00:54:41,227
Speaker 32: that little voice in the back of your head just

1054
00:54:41,267 --> 00:54:45,747
Speaker 32: telling you to just go for it and do everything

1055
00:54:45,747 --> 00:54:48,747
Speaker 32: you possibly can to make it work is It's so important.

1056
00:54:48,787 --> 00:54:53,147
Speaker 32: And I had that in my head today and yeah,

1057
00:54:53,187 --> 00:54:57,427
Speaker 32: it's definitely taken a long time to trust that voice,

1058
00:54:57,467 --> 00:55:00,507
Speaker 32: but yeah, I'm just so stoked.

1059
00:55:01,027 --> 00:55:05,347
Speaker 2: Zoe Sadowski Synata after winning another X Games gold back

1060
00:55:05,387 --> 00:55:08,187
Speaker 2: in January. Gee, what an exciting time coming up for

1061
00:55:08,227 --> 00:55:10,107
Speaker 2: her over the next couple of months as the Winter

1062
00:55:10,147 --> 00:55:15,147
Speaker 2: Olympics fast approach. She's already won three Winter Olympics medals,

1063
00:55:15,427 --> 00:55:17,587
Speaker 2: one of each color. She's back for the slope, style

1064
00:55:17,627 --> 00:55:20,227
Speaker 2: and the big air and you would not count against

1065
00:55:20,347 --> 00:55:22,947
Speaker 2: Zoe Sadowski sen It being back up on that podium

1066
00:55:23,267 --> 00:55:26,867
Speaker 2: in Malona, Cortina in February. Look forward to covering that

1067
00:55:27,307 --> 00:55:30,267
Speaker 2: when twenty twenty six rolls around one twenty two as

1068
00:55:30,307 --> 00:55:33,627
Speaker 2: we look back on our year in review here at

1069
00:55:33,627 --> 00:55:37,347
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. Liam Lawson, of course, was probably the key

1070
00:55:37,387 --> 00:55:41,987
Speaker 2: we athlete overseas who we kept the closest ion as

1071
00:55:42,027 --> 00:55:45,187
Speaker 2: he had his first full season of Formula one, firstly

1072
00:55:45,227 --> 00:55:48,267
Speaker 2: with Red Bull and then into the Racing Bulls Car.

1073
00:55:48,307 --> 00:55:52,227
Speaker 2: We'll cover off his year with a couple of motor

1074
00:55:52,307 --> 00:55:56,747
Speaker 2: racing icons, Mark Webber and David Coulthard featuring on our

1075
00:55:56,827 --> 00:55:59,347
Speaker 2: year in review show when We come Back one twenty

1076
00:55:59,387 --> 00:56:00,187
Speaker 2: two is.

1077
00:56:00,227 --> 00:56:01,547
Speaker 1: The biggest season in sport.

1078
00:56:01,867 --> 00:56:03,547
Speaker 6: Are on Weekend.

1079
00:56:03,147 --> 00:56:07,467
Speaker 1: Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Junnah, New Zealand's most

1080
00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:09,467
Speaker 1: trusted home Builder News Dogs they'd be.

1081
00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:13,907
Speaker 2: One twenty five the twenty twenty five Year in Review

1082
00:56:13,947 --> 00:56:16,987
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport. Liam Lawson was one of our most

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Speaker 2: prominent sports people in twenty twenty five as we followed

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00:56:20,467 --> 00:56:24,667
Speaker 2: his first full Formula One season. Former F one Australian

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00:56:24,747 --> 00:56:28,427
Speaker 2: driver Mark Webber, who won nine Grand Prix and competed

1086
00:56:28,467 --> 00:56:32,067
Speaker 2: in Formula One between two thousand and two and twenty thirteen,

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00:56:32,387 --> 00:56:35,027
Speaker 2: joined me earlier in the year. This was on the

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00:56:35,027 --> 00:56:38,627
Speaker 2: weekend of the second event on the calendar, the Chinese

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00:56:38,707 --> 00:56:41,187
Speaker 2: Grand Prix. That was when Liam Lawson was still with

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Speaker 2: Red Bull. You remember that after that Grand Prix he

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Speaker 2: was then moved into the Racing Bulls team. But at

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Speaker 2: the time I spoke to Mark Webber, he was in

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00:56:49,227 --> 00:56:51,987
Speaker 2: the Red Bull team and we talked about Liam's prospects

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 34: Again a top team obviously, you know Red Bull of

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00:56:57,107 --> 00:57:02,267
Speaker 34: serial winners, they're used to know, tremendous success. They're having

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00:57:02,267 --> 00:57:04,987
Speaker 34: an immense amount of depth and experience within the organization

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00:57:05,027 --> 00:57:08,907
Speaker 34: from an engineering perspective and operationally in a clearly world

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00:57:08,987 --> 00:57:12,227
Speaker 34: world class Strategically, they're great obviously, Maximus stapp and you

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00:57:12,267 --> 00:57:15,707
Speaker 34: know current four time world champion, so he will be

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00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:18,307
Speaker 34: of course leading the team. So for Liam to have

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00:57:18,427 --> 00:57:21,827
Speaker 34: access to how Max operates will be absolutely phenomenal.

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Speaker 6: Phy.

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Speaker 34: But that's a very very good positive. But you know,

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00:57:25,747 --> 00:57:27,827
Speaker 34: everyone's not a finishing school, you know, I always say

1106
00:57:27,827 --> 00:57:30,507
Speaker 34: when you arrive and F one, it's not a finishing school.

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00:57:30,507 --> 00:57:34,947
Speaker 34: You've got to really try to get up to speed

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00:57:34,987 --> 00:57:38,827
Speaker 34: as fast as possible and and put the car on

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00:57:38,867 --> 00:57:41,427
Speaker 34: a sippy toes and be consistently on the limit for

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Speaker 34: the car. So I think that's where Liam, you know,

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00:57:44,227 --> 00:57:46,787
Speaker 34: he he knows he's at the pinnacle now Formula one.

1112
00:57:46,867 --> 00:57:48,867
Speaker 34: He has the chance read Bull have showed the belief

1113
00:57:48,907 --> 00:57:52,507
Speaker 34: in him to give him a full contract and now

1114
00:57:52,507 --> 00:57:57,347
Speaker 34: he's just got to immerse himself into understanding that's you know,

1115
00:57:57,947 --> 00:58:00,227
Speaker 34: his job as a racing driver, and his job is

1116
00:58:00,267 --> 00:58:04,107
Speaker 34: to get the absolute maximum out of himself a FAP

1117
00:58:05,947 --> 00:58:08,147
Speaker 34: and that's what he needs to do. And I'm sure he's,

1118
00:58:08,227 --> 00:58:09,307
Speaker 34: of course he's trying to do that.

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00:58:09,787 --> 00:58:12,627
Speaker 2: How bright is the F one spotlight and how deep

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Speaker 2: is the pressure that comes with that?

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Speaker 34: Of course you know there's only twenty of them on

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00:58:17,227 --> 00:58:20,147
Speaker 34: the grid, you know, And you know, I think that

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00:58:20,747 --> 00:58:24,387
Speaker 34: you know, the the industry media. You know, obviously it's

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00:58:24,467 --> 00:58:27,867
Speaker 34: very they're incredibly well educated, some more so than others,

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00:58:27,867 --> 00:58:32,067
Speaker 34: of course, but they try to you know, they're always

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00:58:32,067 --> 00:58:36,627
Speaker 34: looking for opportunities to maybe create some extra pressure or

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00:58:36,707 --> 00:58:40,947
Speaker 34: certain scenarios and they might not have all the pieces

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00:58:40,947 --> 00:58:44,907
Speaker 34: of the jigsaw, but you know, the team's under pressure,

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00:58:44,907 --> 00:58:47,427
Speaker 34: the driver's under pressure, you know, because everyone's got goals

1130
00:58:47,427 --> 00:58:49,587
Speaker 34: and standards. Everyone's going trying to get towards the front

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00:58:49,587 --> 00:58:50,787
Speaker 34: of the grid. But as we know, there can be

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00:58:50,827 --> 00:58:54,667
Speaker 34: only one one winner or one perceived group or teams

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00:58:54,667 --> 00:58:55,987
Speaker 34: that are doing well.

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00:58:56,107 --> 00:58:57,587
Speaker 6: So right now, I.

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Speaker 34: Mean, you know, Ferrari and McLaren has come out of

1136
00:59:00,387 --> 00:59:03,827
Speaker 34: the blocks pretty strong as Max. I mean Max is there,

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00:59:04,387 --> 00:59:07,547
Speaker 34: so Liam, you know, replaced so Joe because they needed

1138
00:59:07,587 --> 00:59:10,507
Speaker 34: those extra points and start to contribute to the Constructors

1139
00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,267
Speaker 34: Championship because that's a huge for the teams. They need

1140
00:59:13,307 --> 00:59:17,507
Speaker 34: to consistent drivers. So that's where you know the pressure

1141
00:59:17,507 --> 00:59:20,107
Speaker 34: can mount. You know, as long as he's contributing to

1142
00:59:20,147 --> 00:59:24,347
Speaker 34: the points in a healthy fashion, then he will be

1143
00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:25,147
Speaker 34: under no pressure.

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00:59:25,267 --> 00:59:28,387
Speaker 2: Well he was under pressure as it turned out. Shortly

1145
00:59:28,427 --> 00:59:30,787
Speaker 2: after that interview with Mark where the Chinese Grand Prix

1146
00:59:30,787 --> 00:59:34,227
Speaker 2: took place, and shortly after that, Liam Lawson was moved

1147
00:59:34,307 --> 00:59:37,627
Speaker 2: out of the Red Bull team and into the second tier,

1148
00:59:37,787 --> 00:59:40,427
Speaker 2: if you can call it that, Racing Balls team, still

1149
00:59:40,427 --> 00:59:44,547
Speaker 2: of course among the twenty drivers on the F one grid.

1150
00:59:45,187 --> 00:59:47,467
Speaker 2: The following Grand Prix was a couple of weeks later

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00:59:47,587 --> 00:59:51,547
Speaker 2: in Japan, and Lillam Lawson outqualified the man who replaced

1152
00:59:51,627 --> 00:59:54,427
Speaker 2: him at Red Bull, Yuki Sonoda, at the Japanese Grand

1153
00:59:54,467 --> 00:59:57,547
Speaker 2: Prix at Suzuka. So after that I was joined by

1154
00:59:57,587 --> 01:00:01,107
Speaker 2: Formula one icon David Coulthard, who of course raced Formula

1155
01:00:01,147 --> 01:00:04,787
Speaker 2: one between nineteen ninety four and two thousand and eight,

1156
01:00:04,827 --> 01:00:09,987
Speaker 2: winning thirteen Grand Prix across his fifteen seasons in IF one.

1157
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Speaker 2: He gave us some insight into the confidence Liam Lawson

1158
01:00:13,627 --> 01:00:17,707
Speaker 2: will have gained from at qualifying Yuki Sonauda after he

1159
01:00:17,707 --> 01:00:19,547
Speaker 2: had been dropped down to ricing Balls.

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Speaker 35: Yeah, it was an important weekend for him to rebuild

1161
01:00:23,227 --> 01:00:25,987
Speaker 35: after what was very very difficult first to Grand Prix.

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01:00:26,827 --> 01:00:30,067
Speaker 35: And he won't be happy, because you're only happy when

1163
01:00:30,227 --> 01:00:32,547
Speaker 35: you're you know, a little bit ahead.

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Speaker 6: Of your teammate, that is your benchmark at the end

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Speaker 6: of the day.

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Speaker 35: But he will be let's say a little bit of

1167
01:00:38,067 --> 01:00:39,587
Speaker 35: pressure has been released.

1168
01:00:39,867 --> 01:00:42,107
Speaker 6: He's back in an environment, he knows the team well.

1169
01:00:42,227 --> 01:00:45,867
Speaker 35: They've done a great effort to welcome him home, welcome

1170
01:00:45,947 --> 01:00:47,027
Speaker 35: him back into that team.

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01:00:47,347 --> 01:00:49,867
Speaker 6: And of course he will be validated in his.

1172
01:00:49,867 --> 01:00:52,027
Speaker 35: Difficulties in the first two races by going, well, look,

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01:00:52,187 --> 01:00:55,547
Speaker 35: Yuki was further up the grids in this car and

1174
01:00:55,587 --> 01:00:57,507
Speaker 35: he's now behind me. So there'll be a lot of

1175
01:00:57,547 --> 01:00:59,307
Speaker 35: those sort of box ticking exercises.

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Speaker 6: But when you take away that emotion, when you take away.

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Speaker 35: That, you know what sort of parents desire to put

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01:01:08,027 --> 01:01:09,827
Speaker 35: your arm around the shoulders of these guys.

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Speaker 6: This is formula one.

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Speaker 35: And when you take away all the opinion and you

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01:01:14,707 --> 01:01:17,507
Speaker 35: take away all the emotion, you're left with data. And

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01:01:17,587 --> 01:01:21,227
Speaker 35: that data is called a stopwatch, and that stopwatch doesn't lie.

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01:01:21,667 --> 01:01:25,347
Speaker 6: So I think Liam can feel good.

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01:01:26,187 --> 01:01:29,107
Speaker 35: I think there's a great building block for him going forward,

1185
01:01:29,187 --> 01:01:31,987
Speaker 35: big opportunity again tomorrow to see if he can bring

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01:01:32,027 --> 01:01:33,027
Speaker 35: the car home and the points.

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Speaker 6: I believe in Liam. I think he's a talent.

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01:01:35,667 --> 01:01:40,187
Speaker 35: I think he just didn't quite get himself up to

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01:01:40,267 --> 01:01:42,507
Speaker 35: speed quickly enough within the rebulls scenario.

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Speaker 6: But this is his opportunity to rebuild.

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01:01:45,947 --> 01:01:49,907
Speaker 2: What about Yuki Sonoda, David, He's qualified fifteenth. That car

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01:01:49,987 --> 01:01:53,187
Speaker 2: is clearly very difficult to drive. Liam head trouble in it.

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01:01:53,707 --> 01:01:57,667
Speaker 2: Yuki fifteenth today? How do you predict he will go

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01:01:57,947 --> 01:01:58,707
Speaker 2: in that car?

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Speaker 35: Yeah, he will be disappointed, of course, because he was

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Speaker 35: within a few tenths of Max through the clean free practices,

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Speaker 35: which I think that's all that's really expected. If anyone

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Speaker 35: is matching Max consistently, you know you found the next

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Speaker 35: super talent, haven't you. You know, But whether you're a

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Speaker 35: Maxistappen fan or not, this isn't about putting your favorite

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01:02:18,667 --> 01:02:19,027
Speaker 35: cap on.

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01:02:19,227 --> 01:02:20,707
Speaker 6: This is just about dealing with the facts.

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01:02:20,747 --> 01:02:24,867
Speaker 35: You know, Max is a generational talent, and for UK

1204
01:02:25,547 --> 01:02:28,107
Speaker 35: or any of Max's teammates, it's about being within a

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01:02:28,107 --> 01:02:29,867
Speaker 35: few times. And if you can be within a few times,

1206
01:02:30,387 --> 01:02:34,467
Speaker 35: then you're you're doing a great job. The difficulty, of course,

1207
01:02:34,507 --> 01:02:37,667
Speaker 35: that anyone in that car right now is having Formula

1208
01:02:37,667 --> 01:02:40,627
Speaker 35: one is so incredibly close. If you're half a second

1209
01:02:40,747 --> 01:02:43,187
Speaker 35: or more away, you're outside the top ten.

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Speaker 6: You're therefore in a difficult.

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Speaker 35: Situation to make strategy work to find points in the

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Speaker 35: Grand Prix itself.

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Speaker 2: David Colta do you want to throw it. We was

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01:02:53,147 --> 01:02:55,147
Speaker 2: to speak to him. That was just a small snippet

1215
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Speaker 2: of the interview. All of these interviews are avilable to

1216
01:02:57,947 --> 01:03:00,827
Speaker 2: listen back to bother way. If you search Weekend Sport

1217
01:03:01,787 --> 01:03:03,707
Speaker 2: you'll get a list of all the interviews and if

1218
01:03:03,707 --> 01:03:06,267
Speaker 2: you join a podcast right they're all available there as well.

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01:03:06,427 --> 01:03:09,747
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson went on, of course, to finish fourteenth in

1220
01:03:09,867 --> 01:03:13,667
Speaker 2: his first full time season in Formula One and was

1221
01:03:13,827 --> 01:03:16,187
Speaker 2: at the back end of the year and not before time.

1222
01:03:16,227 --> 01:03:19,507
Speaker 2: I might add given the seat for next year, so

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Speaker 2: he'll be back on the grid. Round one of the

1224
01:03:22,267 --> 01:03:26,507
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Formula One season is the Australian Grand

1225
01:03:26,587 --> 01:03:31,267
Speaker 2: Prix in Melbourne March six through eight. We're looking back

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Speaker 2: on twenty twenty five on Weekend Sport. One of the

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Speaker 2: more harrowing interviews we featured this year was with former

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01:03:39,427 --> 01:03:43,507
Speaker 2: or Whites goalkeeper Jake Gleeson. Now in March, a jury

1229
01:03:43,587 --> 01:03:47,667
Speaker 2: awarded him thirty five point seven million New Zealand dollars

1230
01:03:47,707 --> 01:03:52,707
Speaker 2: and damages after he brought a medical malpractice suit against

1231
01:03:52,707 --> 01:03:56,907
Speaker 2: his ex team doctor at the Portland Timbers. Jake Gleson's

1232
01:03:56,907 --> 01:03:59,707
Speaker 2: football career came to a Halt in twenty eighteen after

1233
01:03:59,747 --> 01:04:03,667
Speaker 2: a back surgery to treat stress fractures in both of

1234
01:04:03,707 --> 01:04:07,627
Speaker 2: his legs went wrong. Both of his legs became infected.

1235
01:04:08,027 --> 01:04:11,627
Speaker 2: It was alleged the plates inserted into his legs hadn't

1236
01:04:11,627 --> 01:04:17,827
Speaker 2: been properly sterilized. He has since undergone fourteen further surgeries,

1237
01:04:18,427 --> 01:04:22,027
Speaker 2: and this eventually ended his career. Had a long chat

1238
01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:26,827
Speaker 2: to Jake and asked about the mental toll this had

1239
01:04:26,867 --> 01:04:30,307
Speaker 2: taken on him, and just a warning, this answer contains

1240
01:04:30,467 --> 01:04:34,027
Speaker 2: references to suicide.

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01:04:34,987 --> 01:04:36,907
Speaker 36: Yeah, and I'll do my best not to break down

1242
01:04:36,907 --> 01:04:42,827
Speaker 36: for you, mate, I haven't. I've put it in a

1243
01:04:42,867 --> 01:04:45,027
Speaker 36: box inside me for a very long time. So the

1244
01:04:45,067 --> 01:04:47,307
Speaker 36: trial I kind of let it all out. I was

1245
01:04:47,307 --> 01:04:54,027
Speaker 36: able to tell my story. I think you did. There

1246
01:04:54,027 --> 01:04:57,587
Speaker 36: were points where I just didn't want to live anymore,

1247
01:04:57,747 --> 01:05:02,747
Speaker 36: as simple as that. The best way to explain it is,

1248
01:05:02,787 --> 01:05:04,787
Speaker 36: I felt the world would be a better place if

1249
01:05:04,827 --> 01:05:07,227
Speaker 36: I wasn't in it. I was just a a burden

1250
01:05:07,707 --> 01:05:11,187
Speaker 36: on my friends, a burden on my now fiance, who's

1251
01:05:11,507 --> 01:05:14,147
Speaker 36: the most wonderful person in the world for putting up

1252
01:05:14,187 --> 01:05:17,187
Speaker 36: with me, And we had just started dating sing then

1253
01:05:17,267 --> 01:05:22,187
Speaker 36: all this happened, and she was, you know, picking up

1254
01:05:22,227 --> 01:05:24,787
Speaker 36: my scrips, helped me eat when I cared making me

1255
01:05:24,827 --> 01:05:26,147
Speaker 36: eat and I couldn't.

1256
01:05:26,867 --> 01:05:28,227
Speaker 6: She was there through it all.

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01:05:28,307 --> 01:05:33,307
Speaker 36: So there was a long time where it was yeah,

1258
01:05:33,707 --> 01:05:38,467
Speaker 36: very very very dark times. I'll give you I'll open

1259
01:05:38,587 --> 01:05:42,307
Speaker 36: up quite quite open here. And the worst that got

1260
01:05:42,467 --> 01:05:44,947
Speaker 36: was I basically had a pill jar because I've been

1261
01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:48,987
Speaker 36: prescribed so many you know, oprio, It's like pain killers

1262
01:05:49,027 --> 01:05:53,507
Speaker 36: and antire anxiety and all these things. So I filled

1263
01:05:53,507 --> 01:05:58,107
Speaker 36: this pill jar up with enough pills that I know

1264
01:05:58,187 --> 01:05:59,347
Speaker 36: that if I took it all the once so it

1265
01:05:59,387 --> 01:06:02,867
Speaker 36: would kill me. And I drove out a few times

1266
01:06:02,907 --> 01:06:06,347
Speaker 36: to different places, all one place, a couple of places

1267
01:06:06,347 --> 01:06:10,867
Speaker 36: around Portland with that, and I had that around me

1268
01:06:11,027 --> 01:06:13,747
Speaker 36: for a few months. And there was definitely some some

1269
01:06:14,187 --> 01:06:17,027
Speaker 36: close calls where I thought that that was going to

1270
01:06:17,027 --> 01:06:17,627
Speaker 36: be the day.

1271
01:06:17,587 --> 01:06:19,067
Speaker 37: But never.

1272
01:06:21,627 --> 01:06:24,107
Speaker 36: Never did it never went through with that, which I'm

1273
01:06:24,267 --> 01:06:29,227
Speaker 36: I'm happy about, but I'm also you know, you battle

1274
01:06:29,307 --> 01:06:31,987
Speaker 36: with the internal side of it of leading yourself get

1275
01:06:32,027 --> 01:06:35,147
Speaker 36: that bad. So it's an interesting space to fall in.

1276
01:06:35,907 --> 01:06:39,387
Speaker 36: But it was a very it was a very dark

1277
01:06:39,467 --> 01:06:41,947
Speaker 36: time and it's it's something I wouldn't wish on wash

1278
01:06:42,027 --> 01:06:44,947
Speaker 36: On anyone, and you know there were there were a

1279
01:06:44,987 --> 01:06:47,067
Speaker 36: lot of factors that that kind of led to that

1280
01:06:47,707 --> 01:06:52,147
Speaker 36: for me to get to that point and the last

1281
01:06:52,147 --> 01:06:55,667
Speaker 36: few years, I would just say it's been a slow

1282
01:06:55,747 --> 01:06:57,707
Speaker 36: climb out of a very very deep dark hole.

1283
01:06:58,307 --> 01:07:00,987
Speaker 2: We took a break after that answer, came back and

1284
01:07:01,067 --> 01:07:05,147
Speaker 2: chatted some more with Jake Gleason. I asked him if

1285
01:07:05,347 --> 01:07:07,787
Speaker 2: he'd fallen out of love with football.

1286
01:07:08,907 --> 01:07:19,227
Speaker 37: It's a great question, no, because if you.

1287
01:07:20,907 --> 01:07:24,707
Speaker 36: If I could play one more professional game and walk out,

1288
01:07:24,947 --> 01:07:29,387
Speaker 36: whether it be with All White game, Timbers game, I

1289
01:07:29,387 --> 01:07:32,867
Speaker 36: would I would give a lot to do that, basically anything.

1290
01:07:33,467 --> 01:07:35,067
Speaker 36: And the reason I know I haven't is that there

1291
01:07:35,067 --> 01:07:37,547
Speaker 36: are still mornings I wake up and I forget everything

1292
01:07:37,587 --> 01:07:39,827
Speaker 36: that's happened, and I actually get up thinking I'm about

1293
01:07:39,827 --> 01:07:43,427
Speaker 36: to go into training. It's a game that gave me

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Speaker 36: a lot of opportunity. I owe the game a lot.

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Speaker 36: There was a period after all this where I had

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Speaker 36: to walk away from it, and I did, and I

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Speaker 36: looked at it as a source of anger or anxiety

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Speaker 36: or stress.

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Speaker 37: But I think slowly over.

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Speaker 36: Time, I can't deny the fact that I love football,

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01:08:01,627 --> 01:08:04,667
Speaker 36: and that's that's been in me since I was a kid,

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Speaker 36: so I'm I'm.

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Speaker 37: Excited to watch more.

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01:08:08,867 --> 01:08:11,787
Speaker 36: I haven't really watched much and to slowly get back

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01:08:11,827 --> 01:08:14,067
Speaker 36: into it and hopefully it hurts a little bit less

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01:08:14,107 --> 01:08:16,547
Speaker 36: and less over time that I can no longer do it.

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Speaker 36: And I think one of the most excited for us

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Speaker 36: to see the boys in between twenty six course some

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01:08:22,507 --> 01:08:25,907
Speaker 36: upsets in the States. I couldn't be more excited for

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Speaker 36: the Al Whites and the boys on the team that

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Speaker 36: I know, and all the young guns coming through. I mean,

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Speaker 36: they're an impressive bunch, so I'll be there supporting them

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Speaker 36: for sure.

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Speaker 2: That is the voice of Jake Gleeson, who I spoke

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Speaker 2: with earlier this year. Incredibly powerful chat from him and

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01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:49,587
Speaker 2: just incredible what he went through through absolutely no fault

1317
01:08:49,667 --> 01:08:54,067
Speaker 2: of his own medical malpractice lawsuit against his ex team

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01:08:54,107 --> 01:08:59,067
Speaker 2: doctor at Portland Timbers and thankfully for Jake Gleeson an

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01:08:59,107 --> 01:09:01,507
Speaker 2: outcome which was a positive one. But he did say

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Speaker 2: during that interview that if he had the choice of

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01:09:05,387 --> 01:09:08,827
Speaker 2: being awarded all of that money or having his football career,

1322
01:09:09,387 --> 01:09:12,707
Speaker 2: he'd take the football career in a heartbeat. Twenty two

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01:09:12,747 --> 01:09:15,747
Speaker 2: away from two, this is our year in review. When

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Speaker 2: we come back Andrew Webster Warriors coach had a great

1325
01:09:19,187 --> 01:09:22,227
Speaker 2: chat to Webb just after they got back from Vegas. Actually,

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Speaker 2: so things weren't going that well, but he gave us

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01:09:24,987 --> 01:09:27,507
Speaker 2: a lot of good insight Our year and review show

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Speaker 2: continues in just a moment here on news Talks eb.

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Speaker 1: You love Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport,

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vyn and GJ. Gunner Homes New

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Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Heb coming up eighteen to two. We had a number

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Speaker 2: of studio guests across the year, some of them gave

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01:09:46,187 --> 01:09:48,587
Speaker 2: up a whole hour of their time. We heard from

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01:09:48,827 --> 01:09:53,107
Speaker 2: Scott robertson before one o'clock. Andrew Webster, Warriors coach also

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01:09:53,187 --> 01:09:56,387
Speaker 2: stopped in for a full hour in late March and

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Speaker 2: covered a wide range of topics. I asked him about

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01:09:59,067 --> 01:10:02,387
Speaker 2: man management as a sports coach and whether there were

1339
01:10:02,427 --> 01:10:06,987
Speaker 2: principles that were true across every player he coached, or

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01:10:06,987 --> 01:10:09,347
Speaker 2: in fact whether every player was different.

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Speaker 38: I think if you treat people well and develop people

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01:10:12,507 --> 01:10:15,907
Speaker 38: that are work in any environment doesn't mean you can't

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01:10:15,907 --> 01:10:22,107
Speaker 38: be really brutally honest as well. But I think also

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01:10:22,187 --> 01:10:25,867
Speaker 38: too a toxic environment will only work for so long.

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01:10:26,307 --> 01:10:31,947
Speaker 38: Like I've seen harsh, aggressive environments where they have short

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01:10:32,067 --> 01:10:36,547
Speaker 38: term goal gains, but long term they always fail. They

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01:10:36,587 --> 01:10:40,587
Speaker 38: fall apart very quickly, but you can see a real spiking.

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Speaker 38: People are on their toes. People are worried. I better

1349
01:10:43,707 --> 01:10:45,467
Speaker 38: be good at this. Otherwise this is going to happen,

1350
01:10:45,867 --> 01:10:46,867
Speaker 38: but you can't sustain it.

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01:10:48,107 --> 01:10:50,827
Speaker 2: Cam Georgian here last year and I asked them this question.

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01:10:50,867 --> 01:10:53,067
Speaker 2: I ask you was well. I asked him whether he

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01:10:53,187 --> 01:10:58,107
Speaker 2: thought a sporting franchise or any organization could survive one dickhead.

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01:10:58,627 --> 01:11:02,507
Speaker 2: He said no, Do you agree?

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Speaker 38: I think no dickad policy will always give you the

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01:11:05,707 --> 01:11:08,467
Speaker 38: best chance to see access, that's for sure.

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Speaker 20: I think the thing is sometimes if there's a guy

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Speaker 20: who's a.

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Speaker 38: Bit rough around the edges, and you get an amazing

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01:11:14,187 --> 01:11:18,147
Speaker 38: culture and establish one, they could help grow that person

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01:11:18,187 --> 01:11:22,907
Speaker 38: and do even better person. But if they're fundamentally deep

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01:11:22,907 --> 01:11:25,547
Speaker 38: down to dickhead and always going to be one, then

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Speaker 38: they don't. They shouldn't be in your organization, or if

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01:11:28,187 --> 01:11:29,427
Speaker 38: they are, they shouldn't be there for long.

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Speaker 2: Players always talk about having a why. I'm sure coaches

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01:11:33,427 --> 01:11:35,027
Speaker 2: do as well. You alluded to it before. I think

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01:11:35,067 --> 01:11:37,787
Speaker 2: it's based around the people that you work with, the

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Speaker 2: men that you work alongside, those so you influence on

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Speaker 2: a day to day basis. Is that your why or

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01:11:44,747 --> 01:11:46,587
Speaker 2: is it greater than that? Why do you do this?

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Speaker 25: Well?

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01:11:47,867 --> 01:11:50,467
Speaker 38: I got different wise now. I think your why changes

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01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:54,827
Speaker 38: as you go. My why has not been I want

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01:11:54,827 --> 01:11:57,667
Speaker 38: to be a head coach for any other reason? Then

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01:11:57,867 --> 01:12:00,467
Speaker 38: I just feel like you want that feeling of I

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01:12:00,507 --> 01:12:01,547
Speaker 38: think I'd be good at it.

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Speaker 20: I feel like if you.

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Speaker 38: Enjoy your job and your rewards, then you get that

1379
01:12:06,867 --> 01:12:10,307
Speaker 38: self satisfaction. I'm not in it for the pats on

1380
01:12:10,347 --> 01:12:13,867
Speaker 38: the back, if I'm being honest from everyone else's. It's

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Speaker 38: just like I would love to create an environment where

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01:12:16,427 --> 01:12:19,027
Speaker 38: everyone loves coming to work and they can be their

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01:12:19,067 --> 01:12:21,787
Speaker 38: best and succeed. And that is so self satisfy. That

1384
01:12:21,867 --> 01:12:24,107
Speaker 38: is so satisfying to be a part of that see

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01:12:24,147 --> 01:12:26,227
Speaker 38: other people grow, and that's just my thing.

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01:12:26,387 --> 01:12:27,067
Speaker 3: That's my wife.

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01:12:28,347 --> 01:12:30,467
Speaker 20: I love the game like I generally love footy.

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Speaker 38: I'd be doing it for nothing, you know, now old days,

1389
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Speaker 38: I'm sure they all coach, you know, for no money.

1390
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Speaker 38: But I'd be one of those guys like I generally

1391
01:12:40,467 --> 01:12:45,347
Speaker 38: love rugby league and I love people. But yeah, for

1392
01:12:45,467 --> 01:12:48,827
Speaker 38: my family as well, like for my mum and dad

1393
01:12:48,867 --> 01:12:50,267
Speaker 38: and my brother and sister and my wife and my

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01:12:50,307 --> 01:12:52,867
Speaker 38: little boy, Like i'd like to making them proud and

1395
01:12:53,027 --> 01:12:55,387
Speaker 38: one day they can see mom and dad always Mum

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01:12:55,387 --> 01:12:57,307
Speaker 38: and dad always to say, if you find something that

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Speaker 38: you're passionate about, if you chase it, and if that

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01:12:59,987 --> 01:13:02,467
Speaker 38: becomes your job, you're pretty lucky. And I don't know

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Speaker 38: if enough people have that in their life. So if

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01:13:05,307 --> 01:13:08,467
Speaker 38: I can teach my son, that'd be pretty cool. Last

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Speaker 38: question is around the connection to your fans. Yep, how

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01:13:12,227 --> 01:13:15,987
Speaker 38: important is that and how important are your fans to you? Yeah, Well,

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01:13:16,227 --> 01:13:18,787
Speaker 38: getting back to the why a bit, like I'm an Australian.

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01:13:19,787 --> 01:13:22,387
Speaker 38: I came back to this club after working here for

1405
01:13:22,427 --> 01:13:24,307
Speaker 38: two years ago, eight years ago, so I had a

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01:13:24,307 --> 01:13:27,467
Speaker 38: connection here then and I didn't want to be a

1407
01:13:27,467 --> 01:13:28,987
Speaker 38: head coach at an in club. I wanted to be

1408
01:13:29,027 --> 01:13:32,667
Speaker 38: where I felt like I would fit and for some reason,

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01:13:32,707 --> 01:13:34,907
Speaker 38: I feel like I fit here and I hope that

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01:13:34,947 --> 01:13:39,027
Speaker 38: everyone feels the same. So then coming back then, my

1411
01:13:39,147 --> 01:13:41,467
Speaker 38: wife was about, you know, I just want to improve

1412
01:13:41,507 --> 01:13:43,947
Speaker 38: people and everyone to be happy, create a great environment

1413
01:13:44,147 --> 01:13:46,747
Speaker 38: that people can be the best and then for him, no,

1414
01:13:47,067 --> 01:13:50,867
Speaker 38: like I want the fans to taste that success, but

1415
01:13:51,027 --> 01:13:53,667
Speaker 38: more like grand finals that's our goal, Like I can

1416
01:13:53,707 --> 01:13:58,187
Speaker 38: promise everyone that, but the real goal is sustained success

1417
01:13:58,467 --> 01:14:00,867
Speaker 38: on the fans being proud of the way the boys

1418
01:14:00,867 --> 01:14:04,747
Speaker 38: play even when we're not at our best, like and

1419
01:14:04,747 --> 01:14:07,427
Speaker 38: that's I feel like last year thirteenth, but we sold

1420
01:14:07,427 --> 01:14:10,307
Speaker 38: it out every week. There were still they still saw effort,

1421
01:14:10,347 --> 01:14:12,307
Speaker 38: they still saw care, they still saw a team that

1422
01:14:12,347 --> 01:14:13,467
Speaker 38: they wanted to come and support.

1423
01:14:14,267 --> 01:14:16,147
Speaker 20: So yeah, they're part of my wide the.

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01:14:16,107 --> 01:14:18,707
Speaker 38: Fans, and you know, we'd say in a game to

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01:14:18,787 --> 01:14:21,787
Speaker 38: christ Theres in a couple of weeks we go to

1426
01:14:21,787 --> 01:14:24,907
Speaker 38: Australia was so well supported, Like we go I'm not

1427
01:14:24,947 --> 01:14:27,307
Speaker 38: going to mention the teams we go to away games

1428
01:14:27,347 --> 01:14:29,667
Speaker 38: and we've got more fans in them sometimes like that's

1429
01:14:29,907 --> 01:14:31,827
Speaker 38: we're very proud of that as a club and I'm

1430
01:14:31,907 --> 01:14:33,507
Speaker 38: very proud to be a part of it.

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Speaker 20: So they're huge for us. Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Webster an hour and studio back in March. Ge Honestly,

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Speaker 2: you learn so much when you listen to coaches like

1434
01:14:43,267 --> 01:14:47,787
Speaker 2: that with so much experience but also such Wisdom could

1435
01:14:47,787 --> 01:14:51,467
Speaker 2: have spent three or four hours in studio with Andrew Webster,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing how the Warriors go in twenty

1437
01:14:53,707 --> 01:14:56,907
Speaker 2: twenty six. In May, the hot Off It to a

1438
01:14:56,987 --> 01:15:01,787
Speaker 2: Carpety rugby union took the unprecedented step of threatening to

1439
01:15:01,947 --> 01:15:06,947
Speaker 2: cancel senior club rugby matches in response to escalating abuse

1440
01:15:07,467 --> 01:15:12,107
Speaker 2: towards their match officials. CEO Hotton of a Corpany Rugby Union,

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01:15:12,187 --> 01:15:15,387
Speaker 2: Cory Kennett, joined me to discuss this. I asked how

1442
01:15:15,427 --> 01:15:19,347
Speaker 2: bad the abuse of grassroots referees had become.

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Speaker 34: It's bad.

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01:15:21,347 --> 01:15:25,707
Speaker 39: It's a nationwide epidemic and it's bad. There's no area,

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01:15:25,947 --> 01:15:29,587
Speaker 39: no provincial union in New Zealand it isn't affected and

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01:15:29,667 --> 01:15:32,227
Speaker 39: it's bad. What I do have to say is it

1447
01:15:32,267 --> 01:15:36,667
Speaker 39: is across all sports and sadly it's a mirror of

1448
01:15:37,147 --> 01:15:43,467
Speaker 39: the degradation and society of respect in particular for authority figures,

1449
01:15:43,547 --> 01:15:47,427
Speaker 39: but also for volunteerism, for community servants.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's.

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01:15:49,547 --> 01:15:50,347
Speaker 20: Bad out there, mate.

1452
01:15:50,547 --> 01:15:52,027
Speaker 2: Do you think it's gotten worse?

1453
01:15:53,427 --> 01:15:58,987
Speaker 39: Absolutely, as we've seen in the last I'm seventeen years

1454
01:15:59,027 --> 01:16:02,827
Speaker 39: in as CEO and it's definitely got worse in my time.

1455
01:16:03,867 --> 01:16:08,547
Speaker 39: And what we're seeing is is the more severe incidents. Sadly,

1456
01:16:09,507 --> 01:16:13,667
Speaker 39: speaking with Z, are you know you've got referees at

1457
01:16:13,707 --> 01:16:17,907
Speaker 39: least one a year being physicallys assaulted to the point

1458
01:16:17,947 --> 01:16:21,747
Speaker 39: where they need medical attention at least once a year.

1459
01:16:22,307 --> 01:16:24,747
Speaker 39: Once again, we see this in other sports and the

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01:16:24,827 --> 01:16:27,627
Speaker 39: news of you now and again, sadly, quite often in

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01:16:27,667 --> 01:16:31,027
Speaker 39: a child's game, but more often than a men's game.

1462
01:16:31,427 --> 01:16:32,987
Speaker 11: We have a.

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Speaker 39: Teenage rugby game and givesbon. The other day spectator came

1464
01:16:37,187 --> 01:16:40,427
Speaker 39: on felt with their rights to get involved in a fight.

1465
01:16:40,547 --> 01:16:45,267
Speaker 39: That whole lack of standing up to the values that

1466
01:16:45,587 --> 01:16:49,467
Speaker 39: underpin our great game in community sport in general. Who's

1467
01:16:49,587 --> 01:16:54,907
Speaker 39: just been degraded and so referee abuses has been degraded

1468
01:16:54,907 --> 01:16:55,467
Speaker 39: as part of that.

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Speaker 2: Let's get our cards on the table here, Corey. What

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01:16:59,347 --> 01:17:01,787
Speaker 2: sort of abuse are we talking about here? Like, I

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01:17:01,827 --> 01:17:04,107
Speaker 2: don't expect you to include the swear words, which no

1472
01:17:04,227 --> 01:17:07,387
Speaker 2: doubt are part of this is the level of abuse

1473
01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:12,707
Speaker 2: that has been received by some of your match officials.

1474
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Speaker 39: Doing a referee to get aft or your e f

1475
01:17:17,987 --> 01:17:21,947
Speaker 39: and joking is now seen as relatively low level, of course,

1476
01:17:22,027 --> 01:17:24,867
Speaker 39: prosecuted to the full extent of the regulations. We can

1477
01:17:25,707 --> 01:17:30,067
Speaker 39: what we're talking about is comments, and they've got to

1478
01:17:30,107 --> 01:17:36,147
Speaker 39: say that we're seeing a huge increase in severity from spectators.

1479
01:17:37,107 --> 01:17:40,387
Speaker 39: So the players and the coaches and the management have

1480
01:17:40,707 --> 01:17:46,147
Speaker 39: in general been the best group. Spectators thrown away discussing

1481
01:17:46,227 --> 01:17:50,787
Speaker 39: comments like good luck getting home, I'm going to follow

1482
01:17:50,827 --> 01:17:54,347
Speaker 39: you to the car park, that sort of low level

1483
01:17:55,027 --> 01:17:58,667
Speaker 39: cowardly statements. But the referee I was just talking about,

1484
01:17:58,987 --> 01:18:01,947
Speaker 39: who not only volunteers as a refeels a volunteers and

1485
01:18:02,067 --> 01:18:05,827
Speaker 39: helping to run the Referees Association. So he was shouldered

1486
01:18:05,867 --> 01:18:11,787
Speaker 39: by running past, disgruntled with the decision. The next one

1487
01:18:12,147 --> 01:18:15,227
Speaker 39: who was verbally abused and told that he was going

1488
01:18:15,267 --> 01:18:18,467
Speaker 39: to get beaten up as well as being shouldered, and

1489
01:18:18,507 --> 01:18:23,507
Speaker 39: then was hit with a piece of field equipment in

1490
01:18:23,907 --> 01:18:27,627
Speaker 39: the foot. So there's a referee who was going to

1491
01:18:27,627 --> 01:18:30,707
Speaker 39: go out and give up his time, his time away

1492
01:18:30,747 --> 01:18:33,787
Speaker 39: from his far no possibly take time off work, and

1493
01:18:33,827 --> 01:18:36,267
Speaker 39: he's had to suffer that sort of crap, right, So

1494
01:18:36,347 --> 01:18:38,747
Speaker 39: that's the sort of level and what I would say

1495
01:18:39,427 --> 01:18:42,787
Speaker 39: in those instances, I've told you that would probably only

1496
01:18:42,827 --> 01:18:45,147
Speaker 39: put us about mid table if we were to do

1497
01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:47,187
Speaker 39: a table of the worst defenses.

1498
01:18:47,547 --> 01:18:51,787
Speaker 2: Just shocking stuff, shocking stuff. Talking to Corey Kennet hot

1499
01:18:51,787 --> 01:18:54,507
Speaker 2: offin to a corpany of rugby union, they threatened to

1500
01:18:54,587 --> 01:18:58,787
Speaker 2: cancel senior club rugby matches. Standards improved for a little while,

1501
01:18:58,787 --> 01:19:04,027
Speaker 2: but then they followed through postponing all junior, secondary and

1502
01:19:04,147 --> 01:19:07,547
Speaker 2: senior rugby fixtures for the last weekend of June. I

1503
01:19:07,667 --> 01:19:09,947
Speaker 2: hope we can get some sort of improvement in this

1504
01:19:10,067 --> 01:19:12,307
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, but I'm not holding my breath.

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01:19:12,347 --> 01:19:14,147
Speaker 2: Nine away from two news talks in b.

1506
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Speaker 6: The sup for the.

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01:19:16,707 --> 01:19:19,587
Speaker 1: Drag Field and the Court on your home of Sport

1508
01:19:19,907 --> 01:19:22,587
Speaker 1: Weekend's Sport with Jason Lyne Youth.

1509
01:19:22,467 --> 01:19:26,107
Speaker 2: Talk ZIB looking back on the year. In March, American

1510
01:19:26,147 --> 01:19:29,667
Speaker 2: boxing legend George Foreman died at the age of seventy six.

1511
01:19:29,747 --> 01:19:33,467
Speaker 2: He famously reclaimed the world heavyweight title at the age

1512
01:19:33,467 --> 01:19:37,947
Speaker 2: of forty five after coming out of retirement. World famous

1513
01:19:37,947 --> 01:19:42,227
Speaker 2: boxing promoter Any Hern joined me to discuss George Foreman's legacy.

1514
01:19:43,187 --> 01:19:45,907
Speaker 40: Yeah, I mean iconic really in so many ways, I think,

1515
01:19:45,987 --> 01:19:48,667
Speaker 40: you know, for me growing up, it was more about

1516
01:19:48,667 --> 01:19:51,747
Speaker 40: the comeback, you know, this giant of an older man

1517
01:19:51,827 --> 01:19:55,907
Speaker 40: really who seemed to have dynamite in his fists, and

1518
01:19:56,147 --> 01:20:00,707
Speaker 40: I think the remarkable thing was, obviously for me, the

1519
01:20:00,867 --> 01:20:02,667
Speaker 40: second phase of the.

1520
01:20:02,707 --> 01:20:04,307
Speaker 6: Career and doing it at that age.

1521
01:20:04,347 --> 01:20:07,667
Speaker 40: I mean, you know, the older Janner, probably my dad

1522
01:20:07,707 --> 01:20:10,507
Speaker 40: and people like that, would really talk about, you know,

1523
01:20:10,547 --> 01:20:13,227
Speaker 40: the fights with Fraser, particularly the first one in Jamaica.

1524
01:20:13,267 --> 01:20:15,107
Speaker 40: I mean that was you know, he went over there

1525
01:20:15,147 --> 01:20:18,387
Speaker 40: really as an opponent and knocked out Fraser in his

1526
01:20:18,507 --> 01:20:22,227
Speaker 40: homecoming in Jamaica. Obviously beat him twice, of course the

1527
01:20:22,307 --> 01:20:24,947
Speaker 40: rumble in the Jungle, But for me kind of like

1528
01:20:25,027 --> 01:20:28,147
Speaker 40: the second phase, and I think people forget about that

1529
01:20:28,267 --> 01:20:30,907
Speaker 40: route to become world heavyweight champion for the second time.

1530
01:20:30,947 --> 01:20:33,547
Speaker 40: It wasn't that he just came back in the ring

1531
01:20:33,587 --> 01:20:35,467
Speaker 40: and had one or two fights. He went on a

1532
01:20:35,507 --> 01:20:38,107
Speaker 40: long run, you know, ten years out of the ring

1533
01:20:38,147 --> 01:20:41,027
Speaker 40: and then came back. Actually lost to Tommy Morrison in

1534
01:20:41,067 --> 01:20:44,427
Speaker 40: the fight before Michael Mora when he become world heavyweight champion.

1535
01:20:44,467 --> 01:20:46,907
Speaker 40: And I remember that fight so clearly watching that when

1536
01:20:46,947 --> 01:20:49,267
Speaker 40: he knocked him out. I think Mara was twenty three

1537
01:20:49,307 --> 01:20:52,627
Speaker 40: and a zero at the time. You know, he was

1538
01:20:52,667 --> 01:20:56,267
Speaker 40: a a Teddy Atlas fighter, very well regarded, and he

1539
01:20:56,347 --> 01:20:59,667
Speaker 40: just flattened him with an uppercut and you know, became

1540
01:20:59,827 --> 01:21:02,867
Speaker 40: a champion again. And you know, obviously people also know

1541
01:21:02,947 --> 01:21:05,307
Speaker 40: him outside of the boxing world through his products and

1542
01:21:05,347 --> 01:21:08,267
Speaker 40: his books and his grill and just just the sort

1543
01:21:08,267 --> 01:21:11,307
Speaker 40: of big, cuddly bear really, but in the early days

1544
01:21:11,347 --> 01:21:14,307
Speaker 40: of his career he was a real beast of a fighter,

1545
01:21:14,787 --> 01:21:18,147
Speaker 40: you know, a strong, strong man and you know, cuddly George,

1546
01:21:18,427 --> 01:21:20,587
Speaker 40: you know, lovable George. I met him once and he

1547
01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:23,107
Speaker 40: was just just had a huge smile on his face

1548
01:21:23,107 --> 01:21:23,667
Speaker 40: all the time.

1549
01:21:23,867 --> 01:21:27,787
Speaker 2: That's Eddie Hearn remembering the life and times of George Foreman.

1550
01:21:28,387 --> 01:21:32,187
Speaker 2: Our year and review continues after two o'clock, including one

1551
01:21:32,187 --> 01:21:35,707
Speaker 2: of the great wanders down memory Lane that we enjoyed

1552
01:21:36,227 --> 01:21:40,387
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty five recollecting one of our great

1553
01:21:40,667 --> 01:21:43,667
Speaker 2: golfing feats. We're back after the news at Too.

1554
01:21:44,507 --> 01:21:48,787
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1555
01:21:49,427 --> 01:21:54,387
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1556
01:21:54,467 --> 01:21:58,267
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vime on your home of Sport

1557
01:21:58,707 --> 01:21:59,307
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1558
01:21:59,347 --> 01:21:59,587
Speaker 4: It'd be.

1559
01:22:01,347 --> 01:22:03,547
Speaker 2: Two o seven is the time. I'm Jason Pine Bevan

1560
01:22:03,627 --> 01:22:06,587
Speaker 2: jewis producing the show. This is the final Weekend Sport

1561
01:22:06,947 --> 01:22:10,387
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five. It's our Year in Review show

1562
01:22:10,907 --> 01:22:13,987
Speaker 2: some of our favorite interviews of the year to come

1563
01:22:14,027 --> 01:22:18,667
Speaker 2: between now and three Loup Vincent really really interesting chat

1564
01:22:18,667 --> 01:22:22,947
Speaker 2: to Loeu Vincent, The Shear, Sammy Maxwell, Paul Cole and

1565
01:22:23,067 --> 01:22:26,667
Speaker 2: others before we hand over to Max Toll after three o'clock.

1566
01:22:26,787 --> 01:22:31,387
Speaker 2: But we took many trips down memory lane. In twenty

1567
01:22:31,427 --> 01:22:34,227
Speaker 2: twenty five, we had a number of sports people join

1568
01:22:34,347 --> 01:22:37,027
Speaker 2: us to talk about some of their feats from years

1569
01:22:37,067 --> 01:22:40,627
Speaker 2: gone by. In two thousand and two, KEEPI golfer Craig

1570
01:22:40,707 --> 01:22:45,147
Speaker 2: Perks produced one of golf's most memorable wins when he

1571
01:22:45,387 --> 01:22:50,187
Speaker 2: was victorious in the Players Championship, the so called Fifth Major.

1572
01:22:50,627 --> 01:22:54,267
Speaker 2: Twenty three years on, he joined me to discuss this

1573
01:22:54,507 --> 01:22:58,027
Speaker 2: historic accomplishment. We had a great chat. Let's pick it

1574
01:22:58,107 --> 01:23:01,147
Speaker 2: up as he remembers the very last hole.

1575
01:23:01,947 --> 01:23:06,307
Speaker 33: So this was my first Players Championship and I play

1576
01:23:06,507 --> 01:23:09,267
Speaker 33: this round Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I'd hit driver there

1577
01:23:09,347 --> 01:23:13,187
Speaker 33: every single day. And again, I'm a kiwi and I

1578
01:23:13,187 --> 01:23:15,587
Speaker 33: have no idea. I had no idea how to win

1579
01:23:15,707 --> 01:23:17,707
Speaker 33: golf tournaments I had, you know, I played on the

1580
01:23:17,987 --> 01:23:20,707
Speaker 33: I'd won a lot in mini tours and a little

1581
01:23:20,707 --> 01:23:23,747
Speaker 33: bit in college. But you know, I wasn't proficient at it.

1582
01:23:23,787 --> 01:23:25,467
Speaker 33: So I didn't stand on that tea going okay, I've

1583
01:23:25,467 --> 01:23:28,667
Speaker 33: got to protect this too shot lead I'm really thinking more, okay,

1584
01:23:28,707 --> 01:23:30,627
Speaker 33: I just hit a good T shot and then hit

1585
01:23:30,667 --> 01:23:32,627
Speaker 33: it in the grain and make a power not not

1586
01:23:32,747 --> 01:23:36,307
Speaker 33: the culmination of the whole week. And where I positioned myself.

1587
01:23:36,307 --> 01:23:40,627
Speaker 33: You know, legitimately, great champions would have probably hit a

1588
01:23:40,667 --> 01:23:42,747
Speaker 33: four or five on down to the right and hit

1589
01:23:42,787 --> 01:23:45,427
Speaker 33: an eight iron short of the green and knocked it

1590
01:23:45,467 --> 01:23:47,307
Speaker 33: on and made a five and one by one and

1591
01:23:47,347 --> 01:23:50,547
Speaker 33: walked off, and everyone would have pat padded to you

1592
01:23:50,587 --> 01:23:51,267
Speaker 33: on the back.

1593
01:23:51,067 --> 01:23:51,867
Speaker 6: And said well done.

1594
01:23:51,867 --> 01:23:54,907
Speaker 33: I just I was still trying to play golf like

1595
01:23:54,987 --> 01:23:58,067
Speaker 33: I had through my career in New Zealand and then

1596
01:23:58,107 --> 01:24:01,187
Speaker 33: through college and the Mini Tours and the and the

1597
01:24:01,547 --> 01:24:04,027
Speaker 33: Nike two and so on and so forth, and so

1598
01:24:04,227 --> 01:24:05,867
Speaker 33: I just thought, I'm going to hit this drive and

1599
01:24:05,867 --> 01:24:08,227
Speaker 33: I'm gonna take down the right. It sets up perfectly.

1600
01:24:08,307 --> 01:24:11,027
Speaker 33: I had a draw and lo and beholder. You know,

1601
01:24:11,387 --> 01:24:13,387
Speaker 33: coming down on the down swing, you don't want to

1602
01:24:13,387 --> 01:24:14,827
Speaker 33: hook it in the water, so you block it to

1603
01:24:14,827 --> 01:24:17,307
Speaker 33: the right. And then I get over there and I'm

1604
01:24:17,347 --> 01:24:19,747
Speaker 33: still trying to make it four not thinking.

1605
01:24:19,507 --> 01:24:20,787
Speaker 6: Okay, I can just make.

1606
01:24:20,627 --> 01:24:25,307
Speaker 33: It five and I can still win. And then I pitched.

1607
01:24:25,347 --> 01:24:27,067
Speaker 33: I was able to pitch it out, which I think

1608
01:24:27,147 --> 01:24:29,107
Speaker 33: was a pretty smart play. And then I hit this

1609
01:24:29,187 --> 01:24:31,627
Speaker 33: wonderful aid iron from one hundred and sixty yards and

1610
01:24:32,107 --> 01:24:33,067
Speaker 33: thinking it's perfect in.

1611
01:24:33,067 --> 01:24:34,507
Speaker 6: The middle of the green that goes over the green.

1612
01:24:34,907 --> 01:24:37,507
Speaker 33: My first thought was, Jean Vandervelt, I'm going to make

1613
01:24:37,547 --> 01:24:40,667
Speaker 33: it double or a triple or a quadruple, and I'm

1614
01:24:40,667 --> 01:24:42,667
Speaker 33: gonna lose this and I'm gonna look like the biggest

1615
01:24:42,707 --> 01:24:45,467
Speaker 33: moron in the entire world. And I can't believe I've

1616
01:24:45,507 --> 01:24:46,947
Speaker 33: just done this. I've hit it over the green in

1617
01:24:46,987 --> 01:24:48,187
Speaker 33: three and now I really do.

1618
01:24:48,227 --> 01:24:49,707
Speaker 6: Have to get it up and down. And I walked

1619
01:24:49,787 --> 01:24:50,547
Speaker 6: back there, and.

1620
01:24:52,507 --> 01:24:55,307
Speaker 33: You know, again there was this sense of calm. This

1621
01:24:55,827 --> 01:24:57,867
Speaker 33: wasn't the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life,

1622
01:24:58,027 --> 01:25:02,147
Speaker 33: so try and keep my competitive career alive. At spots

1623
01:25:02,187 --> 01:25:06,227
Speaker 33: along the journey was more difficult because they might not

1624
01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:08,547
Speaker 33: been a tomorrow here. If I didn't get this up

1625
01:25:08,547 --> 01:25:11,147
Speaker 33: and down and I last in the playoff, it would

1626
01:25:11,187 --> 01:25:14,307
Speaker 33: still be my best ever finished and I might have made,

1627
01:25:14,747 --> 01:25:17,707
Speaker 33: you know, seven hundred and fifty thousand and I would

1628
01:25:17,707 --> 01:25:19,667
Speaker 33: have kept my card and I was on my way

1629
01:25:19,707 --> 01:25:21,267
Speaker 33: and all this sort of stuff. But when I walked

1630
01:25:21,307 --> 01:25:25,947
Speaker 33: down there, the lie was really really good. There was

1631
01:25:25,987 --> 01:25:29,507
Speaker 33: a slight little puff of breeze back in my face,

1632
01:25:29,587 --> 01:25:33,067
Speaker 33: and I said, I've hit this. All I did was

1633
01:25:33,107 --> 01:25:36,667
Speaker 33: work on my short game. I love spending time just

1634
01:25:36,827 --> 01:25:37,707
Speaker 33: tucked away.

1635
01:25:37,507 --> 01:25:39,307
Speaker 6: Somewhere working on my short gam And I.

1636
01:25:39,267 --> 01:25:41,867
Speaker 33: Said, you've done this a thousand times, not thinking I'm

1637
01:25:41,907 --> 01:25:43,667
Speaker 33: going to make this, but just get this ball up

1638
01:25:43,707 --> 01:25:46,267
Speaker 33: and down. And as soon as I hit it, I said,

1639
01:25:46,667 --> 01:25:49,027
Speaker 33: I've done it, because I didn't expect it to go in,

1640
01:25:49,147 --> 01:25:50,627
Speaker 33: but I knew it wasn't going to be more than

1641
01:25:50,627 --> 01:25:52,747
Speaker 33: a couple of feet past, and lo and behold it

1642
01:25:52,827 --> 01:25:55,467
Speaker 33: dropped in, and then obviously pandemonium.

1643
01:25:55,587 --> 01:25:58,787
Speaker 2: Brilliant, So good gee, what a great description when getting

1644
01:25:58,787 --> 01:26:00,867
Speaker 2: goosebum was even listening to you talk about it. Defending

1645
01:26:00,947 --> 01:26:03,867
Speaker 2: champion Tiger Woods finished seven shots behind you in a

1646
01:26:03,947 --> 01:26:06,347
Speaker 2: tie for fourteenth, but then he handed over the trophy

1647
01:26:06,427 --> 01:26:09,707
Speaker 2: and famously said, you're unbelievable. How cool the moment was that?

1648
01:26:10,827 --> 01:26:16,347
Speaker 33: Well, more famously, you know, after you finished the round,

1649
01:26:16,347 --> 01:26:18,347
Speaker 33: you've got to walk through the grandstand and go to

1650
01:26:18,387 --> 01:26:21,627
Speaker 33: the scorer's tent and validate it all and make sure

1651
01:26:21,627 --> 01:26:25,827
Speaker 33: it's official. And my wife was Maureen, she was with me. Uh,

1652
01:26:25,867 --> 01:26:28,427
Speaker 33: and so we walked. They said, some of the red

1653
01:26:28,467 --> 01:26:32,947
Speaker 33: coats there, Brian going the tournament director. He escorted me back.

1654
01:26:32,987 --> 01:26:36,347
Speaker 33: He said, look, the commissioner will be on a little

1655
01:26:36,347 --> 01:26:39,667
Speaker 33: platform behind the green and your there's a trophy presentation

1656
01:26:39,827 --> 01:26:43,467
Speaker 33: with listen. I had no idea what what had just occurred.

1657
01:26:43,507 --> 01:26:46,467
Speaker 33: I had no idea how to walk and be present

1658
01:26:46,627 --> 01:26:48,347
Speaker 33: in a prize ceremony or.

1659
01:26:48,347 --> 01:26:52,587
Speaker 6: Anything like this. I had. I'm just I'm.

1660
01:26:51,827 --> 01:26:56,227
Speaker 33: Complete rookie and all this, you know, sort of theatrics

1661
01:26:56,227 --> 01:26:58,707
Speaker 33: and what was going on. And then so we Marian

1662
01:26:58,747 --> 01:27:02,227
Speaker 33: and I my wife walked through the the grand stand

1663
01:27:02,267 --> 01:27:04,147
Speaker 33: and I sort of peaked to my right and I

1664
01:27:04,187 --> 01:27:07,347
Speaker 33: looked over and I said what, I'm not going to

1665
01:27:07,507 --> 01:27:09,947
Speaker 33: use the explicator, but I said what? And then you know,

1666
01:27:10,027 --> 01:27:13,587
Speaker 33: what is Tiger Woods doing here? And then I'm like, okay,

1667
01:27:13,747 --> 01:27:16,907
Speaker 33: So where he's the defending Champanese hold standing there with

1668
01:27:16,987 --> 01:27:17,547
Speaker 33: the crystal.

1669
01:27:17,587 --> 01:27:18,547
Speaker 6: Tim Vinchm's there.

1670
01:27:19,307 --> 01:27:21,827
Speaker 33: So we walk up under the podium and Tiger looks

1671
01:27:21,867 --> 01:27:24,507
Speaker 33: me in I'd play with Tiger two weeks previous at

1672
01:27:24,547 --> 01:27:27,707
Speaker 33: Drau the event down there in Florida in the final

1673
01:27:27,787 --> 01:27:30,947
Speaker 33: round and I paid well, I'd finished fifth and Tiger

1674
01:27:30,987 --> 01:27:33,867
Speaker 33: finished second, and so you know, and Stevie Williams on

1675
01:27:33,907 --> 01:27:35,827
Speaker 33: the bank obviously, so there's a connection there.

1676
01:27:36,067 --> 01:27:37,747
Speaker 6: And so we walk up and.

1677
01:27:37,667 --> 01:27:39,867
Speaker 33: Tiger looks at me and laughs and shakes his hand,

1678
01:27:40,227 --> 01:27:42,147
Speaker 33: and then Maureen's sitting right next to me, and I'm

1679
01:27:42,147 --> 01:27:42,867
Speaker 33: going to swear.

1680
01:27:42,667 --> 01:27:42,947
Speaker 4: On the air.

1681
01:27:42,987 --> 01:27:45,627
Speaker 6: I hope you guys don't go on. Go on, so

1682
01:27:46,147 --> 01:27:46,827
Speaker 6: it's not that bad.

1683
01:27:46,867 --> 01:27:50,587
Speaker 33: But so I walk up there, shake Tiger's hand. He goes,

1684
01:27:50,667 --> 01:27:53,627
Speaker 33: you know, you're unbelievable whatever, and then he sort of

1685
01:27:53,707 --> 01:27:56,707
Speaker 33: moves over, slides over and looks down to Maureen and

1686
01:27:56,787 --> 01:27:59,947
Speaker 33: puts his hand out and he goes, nice to meet

1687
01:27:59,987 --> 01:28:02,427
Speaker 33: you on Tiger Woods. And Maureen looks up and goes, yeah,

1688
01:28:02,467 --> 01:28:05,547
Speaker 33: no shit, So you know it was that was sort

1689
01:28:05,587 --> 01:28:07,987
Speaker 33: of I chucked and we laugh about that.

1690
01:28:09,027 --> 01:28:10,427
Speaker 6: Of course, we know your title woods.

1691
01:28:10,467 --> 01:28:12,147
Speaker 33: You don't really have to introduce.

1692
01:28:12,347 --> 01:28:17,067
Speaker 2: That is Craig Perks remembering the Players Championship win in

1693
01:28:17,147 --> 01:28:21,107
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Brilliant stuff and great recollections from

1694
01:28:21,267 --> 01:28:24,147
Speaker 2: Craig Perks this is our year in review Show two

1695
01:28:24,187 --> 01:28:28,987
Speaker 2: fourteen KeyWe Cross Country Mountain Bike Out. Sammy Maxwell had

1696
01:28:29,027 --> 01:28:32,227
Speaker 2: a breakout year. In October, she became the first New

1697
01:28:32,307 --> 01:28:36,387
Speaker 2: Zealander to win a UCI World Series title. She joined

1698
01:28:36,427 --> 01:28:38,947
Speaker 2: me to chat about that, but also about her life

1699
01:28:38,987 --> 01:28:40,907
Speaker 2: in Europe outside of racing.

1700
01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:44,387
Speaker 21: It's funny, I always thought have been an athlete'd like

1701
01:28:44,467 --> 01:28:46,147
Speaker 21: so chill, what you rade your biat for a few

1702
01:28:46,147 --> 01:28:48,787
Speaker 21: hours a day and then what you just get a massage.

1703
01:28:48,987 --> 01:28:50,987
Speaker 16: But now that I'm here, it's so hectic.

1704
01:28:51,227 --> 01:28:54,267
Speaker 21: Like I guess, I like to put a lot on

1705
01:28:54,307 --> 01:28:57,987
Speaker 21: my plate with studying as well. I do like French

1706
01:28:58,027 --> 01:29:02,027
Speaker 21: courses online at the moment. But yeah, a lot of

1707
01:29:02,067 --> 01:29:06,907
Speaker 21: time goes into training, recovery, preparing for your training, just

1708
01:29:07,027 --> 01:29:10,987
Speaker 21: managing like levels, doing lots of like monitoring. I do

1709
01:29:11,067 --> 01:29:13,867
Speaker 21: a lot of like journaling and stuff which helps with

1710
01:29:13,947 --> 01:29:20,107
Speaker 21: my head. But yeah, I'm pretty pretty pretty happy in

1711
01:29:20,107 --> 01:29:23,907
Speaker 21: a sense that I'm getting out of stage now where

1712
01:29:23,907 --> 01:29:25,387
Speaker 21: I can just go out for like four or five

1713
01:29:25,467 --> 01:29:28,187
Speaker 21: hours and I just design like a really nice loop

1714
01:29:28,227 --> 01:29:31,467
Speaker 21: through the French Alps or the Pyrenees, and I'm just

1715
01:29:31,507 --> 01:29:33,627
Speaker 21: so happy. You know, you'd come back at like three

1716
01:29:33,627 --> 01:29:35,107
Speaker 21: o'clock in the afternoon and.

1717
01:29:35,027 --> 01:29:38,667
Speaker 16: Have some lunch and then get have some more food.

1718
01:29:39,267 --> 01:29:41,467
Speaker 21: I actually think we probably spend half our day eating

1719
01:29:41,507 --> 01:29:42,427
Speaker 21: athletes honestly.

1720
01:29:42,627 --> 01:29:46,947
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's hard, right, It's hard, man. I mean,

1721
01:29:47,547 --> 01:29:51,387
Speaker 2: you know, physically mentally, this is challenging. It ain't just

1722
01:29:51,427 --> 01:29:54,267
Speaker 2: to ride through the through the mountains and a nice

1723
01:29:54,307 --> 01:29:55,067
Speaker 2: three o'clock lunch.

1724
01:29:55,507 --> 01:29:59,547
Speaker 41: It's hard, right, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I guess the I

1725
01:29:59,587 --> 01:30:02,747
Speaker 41: think as an athlete, for us, the hardest thing is like,

1726
01:30:03,507 --> 01:30:05,787
Speaker 41: well for me anyway, the thing I struggle most with

1727
01:30:05,947 --> 01:30:09,387
Speaker 41: is like uncertainty of how I'm going to perform every day.

1728
01:30:11,147 --> 01:30:12,947
Speaker 16: Imagine like every day you go to work.

1729
01:30:12,787 --> 01:30:16,067
Speaker 21: And you have like someone saying, like you have to

1730
01:30:16,227 --> 01:30:20,547
Speaker 21: do forty papers today, or like you have and like

1731
01:30:20,787 --> 01:30:25,147
Speaker 21: every day we are like measuring ourselves our progress.

1732
01:30:25,267 --> 01:30:25,747
Speaker 16: Every day.

1733
01:30:25,747 --> 01:30:28,427
Speaker 21: We have a standard we have to reach, and then

1734
01:30:28,427 --> 01:30:30,347
Speaker 21: we have a standard that we have expected.

1735
01:30:29,947 --> 01:30:33,547
Speaker 16: Ourselves that we have to reach. So like, especially on

1736
01:30:33,667 --> 01:30:34,227
Speaker 16: days where you.

1737
01:30:34,187 --> 01:30:38,467
Speaker 21: Have intervals, it's like a race day every day. So yeah,

1738
01:30:38,467 --> 01:30:40,187
Speaker 21: I think that's just the biggest things like that, that

1739
01:30:40,387 --> 01:30:42,627
Speaker 21: uncertainty of like will you achieve your goal today?

1740
01:30:42,787 --> 01:30:47,667
Speaker 16: It's quite tiring in some aspects. But the more I

1741
01:30:47,707 --> 01:30:49,507
Speaker 16: do it, Yeah, the more I do it, the more.

1742
01:30:49,387 --> 01:30:53,667
Speaker 21: I'm learning that there is variability and it sometimes well,

1743
01:30:53,707 --> 01:30:55,947
Speaker 21: there's always a reason why you can't hit your numbers

1744
01:30:56,027 --> 01:30:58,027
Speaker 21: or why you can't execute a training, and that just

1745
01:30:58,067 --> 01:31:00,587
Speaker 21: means you have to rest a bit more. And yeah,

1746
01:31:00,627 --> 01:31:03,027
Speaker 21: maybe you would have liked been able to do a

1747
01:31:03,067 --> 01:31:06,667
Speaker 21: good session, but there is a way to fix it, right,

1748
01:31:06,707 --> 01:31:09,707
Speaker 21: You've just got to not be silly and put your

1749
01:31:09,707 --> 01:31:11,347
Speaker 21: head in the sand and keep pushing. You've got to

1750
01:31:11,347 --> 01:31:13,027
Speaker 21: listen to your body and take a bit of a break.

1751
01:31:13,067 --> 01:31:15,587
Speaker 2: But yeah, So, I mean, you've been really open about

1752
01:31:15,667 --> 01:31:18,867
Speaker 2: your eating disorder and its effect on your performances, and

1753
01:31:18,907 --> 01:31:21,307
Speaker 2: you talked about sustainability at the start of our chat,

1754
01:31:21,747 --> 01:31:24,227
Speaker 2: and I've heard you talk about wanting to perform over

1755
01:31:24,267 --> 01:31:27,827
Speaker 2: a sustained period and being able to do that. Can

1756
01:31:27,867 --> 01:31:29,667
Speaker 2: you tell us about the support you've received and the

1757
01:31:29,707 --> 01:31:31,867
Speaker 2: strategies you've employed to do that.

1758
01:31:33,187 --> 01:31:33,427
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1759
01:31:33,467 --> 01:31:33,667
Speaker 4: Sure.

1760
01:31:33,707 --> 01:31:36,027
Speaker 21: I work with the NZET Eating disorder Clinics, So there's

1761
01:31:36,787 --> 01:31:39,587
Speaker 21: doctor Roge, and then I have a nutritionist, a new

1762
01:31:39,667 --> 01:31:44,947
Speaker 21: nutritionist actually at the moment, and a psychologist, Hink, and

1763
01:31:44,987 --> 01:31:49,227
Speaker 21: I work with Hink probably every two weeks oh no, Yeah,

1764
01:31:49,227 --> 01:31:52,347
Speaker 21: every two weeks at the moment just kind of chickens.

1765
01:31:52,627 --> 01:31:56,587
Speaker 21: It's really hard to do full and a REXA therapy

1766
01:31:56,667 --> 01:32:00,227
Speaker 21: while I'm overseas. But we have been employing some basic

1767
01:32:00,307 --> 01:32:04,027
Speaker 21: like I said, some basic journaling, doing lots of like

1768
01:32:04,387 --> 01:32:07,307
Speaker 21: mindfulness and stuff. It's been really helpful with my emotions.

1769
01:32:07,347 --> 01:32:11,227
Speaker 21: But yeah, a big important part of me is just

1770
01:32:11,467 --> 01:32:14,427
Speaker 21: monitoring my health at the moment, Like you say, sustainability

1771
01:32:14,507 --> 01:32:17,827
Speaker 21: is super important. And actually coming up here to altitude

1772
01:32:17,827 --> 01:32:22,187
Speaker 21: it's been quite interesting and challenging kind of, I guess

1773
01:32:22,307 --> 01:32:25,307
Speaker 21: some of those aspects, like you have to take it

1774
01:32:25,307 --> 01:32:27,347
Speaker 21: a bit easier on those first few days because your

1775
01:32:27,347 --> 01:32:30,147
Speaker 21: body's working harder, and that's shown kind of how my

1776
01:32:30,587 --> 01:32:33,467
Speaker 21: eating disorder would use sports as a way to.

1777
01:32:33,427 --> 01:32:34,827
Speaker 16: Earn food or something like that.

1778
01:32:34,867 --> 01:32:38,067
Speaker 21: So coming up here has been super interesting and showing

1779
01:32:38,107 --> 01:32:42,867
Speaker 21: different ways which my eating disorder presents itself. But yeah,

1780
01:32:43,267 --> 01:32:46,947
Speaker 21: I've been seeking therapy for two years now and I

1781
01:32:46,947 --> 01:32:49,267
Speaker 21: think it's the best choice I've made. I honestly don't

1782
01:32:49,267 --> 01:32:52,347
Speaker 21: think I would be where I was right now if

1783
01:32:52,387 --> 01:32:53,707
Speaker 21: I hadn't the start of therapy.

1784
01:32:54,467 --> 01:32:56,987
Speaker 16: And for sure, it's a long process.

1785
01:32:56,547 --> 01:32:59,267
Speaker 21: But I'm I know it's the right thing to do,

1786
01:32:59,267 --> 01:32:59,907
Speaker 21: do you know what I mean?

1787
01:33:00,987 --> 01:33:04,747
Speaker 2: And does success on the bike necessarily are quite to

1788
01:33:04,867 --> 01:33:06,907
Speaker 2: success off the bike regard?

1789
01:33:08,147 --> 01:33:09,907
Speaker 14: No way, no way, not at all.

1790
01:33:09,987 --> 01:33:10,067
Speaker 13: No.

1791
01:33:10,707 --> 01:33:16,147
Speaker 21: I've found the last yeah around and Dora and the

1792
01:33:16,187 --> 01:33:18,827
Speaker 21: last few weeks have actually been really tough, like mentally

1793
01:33:18,867 --> 01:33:21,867
Speaker 21: with my eating disorder, and I think it's quite interesting

1794
01:33:21,867 --> 01:33:24,267
Speaker 21: to come to terms with the fact that on the

1795
01:33:24,307 --> 01:33:27,027
Speaker 21: start line and after the races, I can be like

1796
01:33:27,347 --> 01:33:31,427
Speaker 21: super positive, super happy, and then an hour later I'm

1797
01:33:31,427 --> 01:33:33,827
Speaker 21: like in my bedroom freaking out because I have like

1798
01:33:34,147 --> 01:33:36,467
Speaker 21: some sort of food in front of it that's scary.

1799
01:33:36,667 --> 01:33:39,707
Speaker 21: And it's been quite hard like functioning quite a lot

1800
01:33:39,747 --> 01:33:42,067
Speaker 21: of cortisol and stuff like that, right, food selling I

1801
01:33:42,107 --> 01:33:45,307
Speaker 21: can't avoid. And I think a lot of that has

1802
01:33:45,307 --> 01:33:47,947
Speaker 21: to do with just the last few years taking my

1803
01:33:48,027 --> 01:33:49,827
Speaker 21: head out of the sand and accept that there is

1804
01:33:49,867 --> 01:33:52,907
Speaker 21: a problem and that comes with having to do some

1805
01:33:53,027 --> 01:33:55,427
Speaker 21: work to fix the problem.

1806
01:33:55,827 --> 01:33:57,947
Speaker 16: So there's it's been quite challenging.

1807
01:33:58,067 --> 01:34:00,707
Speaker 21: But yeah, just because I'm successful on the bike doesn't

1808
01:34:00,747 --> 01:34:03,907
Speaker 21: always I mean I'm successful off the bike, but the

1809
01:34:03,987 --> 01:34:07,867
Speaker 21: other way around definitely correlates. If I'm successful off the bike,

1810
01:34:08,507 --> 01:34:10,947
Speaker 21: it's when i'm most successful on the bike for sure.

1811
01:34:11,427 --> 01:34:16,467
Speaker 2: Sammy Maxwell a world champion, the first New Zealander to

1812
01:34:16,507 --> 01:34:19,547
Speaker 2: win a UCI World Series title and she did it

1813
01:34:19,547 --> 01:34:23,267
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. Always love a chat to Sammy Maxwell.

1814
01:34:23,267 --> 01:34:25,827
Speaker 2: Coming up twenty past two. We'll take a great come

1815
01:34:25,867 --> 01:34:29,827
Speaker 2: back lou Vincent, I think one of our most listened

1816
01:34:29,867 --> 01:34:33,267
Speaker 2: to interviews in twenty twenty five. Lou Vincent after this

1817
01:34:33,427 --> 01:34:36,547
Speaker 2: on our Year in review show.

1818
01:34:36,307 --> 01:34:39,707
Speaker 1: The Big Issues on and after Fields Call Oh eight

1819
01:34:39,827 --> 01:34:42,787
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

1820
01:34:42,507 --> 01:34:43,587
Speaker 6: Fine and GJ.

1821
01:34:43,747 --> 01:34:48,027
Speaker 1: Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home Milder News Talks at Baby.

1822
01:34:48,627 --> 01:34:51,107
Speaker 2: News Talks the b two twenty three Looking back at

1823
01:34:51,147 --> 01:34:55,187
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Former New Zealand cricketer lou Vincent provided

1824
01:34:55,227 --> 01:34:58,947
Speaker 2: one of our most listened to interviews this year. Over

1825
01:34:58,987 --> 01:35:01,507
Speaker 2: a decade ago, he was banned for life for his

1826
01:35:01,747 --> 01:35:07,027
Speaker 2: involvement in attempting to manipulate cricket matches overseas. That band

1827
01:35:07,187 --> 01:35:10,507
Speaker 2: was relaxed in December twenty twenty three due largely to

1828
01:35:10,587 --> 01:35:14,907
Speaker 2: lu Vinson's high levels of contrition and remorse. He joined

1829
01:35:14,947 --> 01:35:18,267
Speaker 2: us for a chat in October. We had a long,

1830
01:35:18,387 --> 01:35:21,747
Speaker 2: long chat. I asked him about how he was recruited

1831
01:35:21,867 --> 01:35:24,867
Speaker 2: into match fixing, well.

1832
01:35:25,627 --> 01:35:29,907
Speaker 42: Seven years of having anti coruption meetings with the ICC,

1833
01:35:30,027 --> 01:35:31,987
Speaker 42: which is all part of you know, playing domestic cricket

1834
01:35:32,027 --> 01:35:33,707
Speaker 42: in the National cricket every two you go on, you

1835
01:35:33,747 --> 01:35:35,147
Speaker 42: sit there for half an hour and you get told

1836
01:35:35,187 --> 01:35:38,387
Speaker 42: by a former cop that you know, be careful of this,

1837
01:35:38,507 --> 01:35:40,387
Speaker 42: and be careful of the bookies and be careful of

1838
01:35:40,427 --> 01:35:44,067
Speaker 42: the honey trips and stuff. And you know, when I

1839
01:35:44,067 --> 01:35:46,187
Speaker 42: got approached in India at the ICL, it was an

1840
01:35:46,267 --> 01:35:48,867
Speaker 42: unsanctioned tournament, so you know, we didn't have that sort

1841
01:35:48,907 --> 01:35:52,747
Speaker 42: of protection, but the education was always there and you know,

1842
01:35:52,907 --> 01:35:55,827
Speaker 42: in a real brief, brief summary of what happened to

1843
01:35:55,867 --> 01:35:58,267
Speaker 42: me was, you know, the phone rang was an Indian

1844
01:35:58,267 --> 01:36:01,347
Speaker 42: guy offering a batting sponsorship, which happens every time you

1845
01:36:01,387 --> 01:36:04,387
Speaker 42: go to India, but because you know, sort of turns

1846
01:36:04,667 --> 01:36:08,027
Speaker 42: our back on mainstream cricket and signed up for this

1847
01:36:08,027 --> 01:36:09,947
Speaker 42: rebel league where we were all free agents. So we

1848
01:36:11,027 --> 01:36:14,627
Speaker 42: met the Indian fell and chatted for you know, he's

1849
01:36:14,627 --> 01:36:16,667
Speaker 42: a good hour or so, and you know it was

1850
01:36:16,947 --> 01:36:19,107
Speaker 42: as they do, they make they make you feel pretty

1851
01:36:19,147 --> 01:36:22,507
Speaker 42: good and a couple of whiskeys later, and you know,

1852
01:36:22,627 --> 01:36:25,067
Speaker 42: your year, he goes pumped up, and you know, by

1853
01:36:25,147 --> 01:36:27,587
Speaker 42: that stage, I'd come off a bit of a heavy

1854
01:36:27,587 --> 01:36:30,387
Speaker 42: mental breakdown at the end of my career, and you know,

1855
01:36:30,547 --> 01:36:32,907
Speaker 42: to had that sort of attention and felt good and

1856
01:36:32,947 --> 01:36:36,427
Speaker 42: then wham. That's when you know, once he thought he

1857
01:36:36,427 --> 01:36:38,467
Speaker 42: built that trust with me, it was like, well, the

1858
01:36:38,507 --> 01:36:43,067
Speaker 42: business is actually going to be spot fixing, and and

1859
01:36:43,147 --> 01:36:45,627
Speaker 42: his fifteen thousand cash and handed over to me, and

1860
01:36:45,667 --> 01:36:48,587
Speaker 42: that's when your penny dropped that this is all those

1861
01:36:48,627 --> 01:36:50,867
Speaker 42: years of education, this is this is that that situation.

1862
01:36:50,987 --> 01:36:54,667
Speaker 42: I've been approached by a bookie. And so I managed

1863
01:36:54,707 --> 01:36:56,907
Speaker 42: to get out of that room as quick as I

1864
01:36:56,947 --> 01:36:59,787
Speaker 42: could and went straight to my manager and reported it

1865
01:37:00,667 --> 01:37:03,347
Speaker 42: and she was going to hand it over to the

1866
01:37:03,347 --> 01:37:05,267
Speaker 42: security at the hotel and sat from there. So that

1867
01:37:05,307 --> 01:37:07,507
Speaker 42: was the end of that part. But on the way

1868
01:37:07,507 --> 01:37:12,667
Speaker 42: back down to my room, went past, you know, a

1869
01:37:12,707 --> 01:37:15,467
Speaker 42: fellow cricketers room and and.

1870
01:37:15,587 --> 01:37:17,667
Speaker 34: I was, I said, you wouldn't believe it.

1871
01:37:17,707 --> 01:37:19,467
Speaker 42: I've told told them the story and I said, this

1872
01:37:19,507 --> 01:37:22,347
Speaker 42: is what happened, and you know, and you know, and

1873
01:37:22,387 --> 01:37:25,387
Speaker 42: then it's sort of there was that moment of science

1874
01:37:25,387 --> 01:37:28,987
Speaker 42: of you've done the right thing, but now you're going

1875
01:37:29,027 --> 01:37:32,107
Speaker 42: to be working for me, And there I am saying

1876
01:37:32,187 --> 01:37:34,147
Speaker 42: yes straight away. So so when I do talk to

1877
01:37:34,347 --> 01:37:36,987
Speaker 42: these governing bodies, I say, it's it's not so much

1878
01:37:37,027 --> 01:37:38,667
Speaker 42: the people that, yeah, you don't know, you're gonna worried

1879
01:37:38,707 --> 01:37:41,227
Speaker 42: about it. The people that you do know that recruit

1880
01:37:41,267 --> 01:37:43,547
Speaker 42: as well. And that's certainly how it happened to me.

1881
01:37:43,627 --> 01:37:46,907
Speaker 42: And and and that's how it all sort of started.

1882
01:37:48,827 --> 01:37:52,347
Speaker 42: There's the spot sic thing syndicate I was recruited into

1883
01:37:52,387 --> 01:37:55,507
Speaker 42: with people I knew and felt safe, and I felt, yep,

1884
01:37:55,587 --> 01:37:57,347
Speaker 42: this everyone else seems to be doing it.

1885
01:37:57,387 --> 01:37:59,307
Speaker 11: And you know, this.

1886
01:37:59,587 --> 01:38:04,107
Speaker 42: Cripts just like a bunch of crickets playing in the backyard.

1887
01:38:04,107 --> 01:38:05,227
Speaker 11: It just happens to be on TV.

1888
01:38:05,307 --> 01:38:07,547
Speaker 42: It's unsanctioned and let's get a piece of the pipe

1889
01:38:07,547 --> 01:38:08,547
Speaker 42: because everybody else is.

1890
01:38:08,627 --> 01:38:10,427
Speaker 11: So you know, in a real.

1891
01:38:10,427 --> 01:38:14,067
Speaker 42: Brief nutchhow that's how it's sort of evolved for me

1892
01:38:14,427 --> 01:38:17,347
Speaker 42: that world and certainly changed my life for the worst.

1893
01:38:18,107 --> 01:38:20,627
Speaker 42: And it's it's something I'm unfortunately I've got to live

1894
01:38:20,627 --> 01:38:24,627
Speaker 42: with for the rest of my life. Yeah, I've done,

1895
01:38:25,387 --> 01:38:27,707
Speaker 42: you know, years and years of work behind the scenes

1896
01:38:27,747 --> 01:38:30,387
Speaker 42: to use what I've been through to help the game

1897
01:38:30,427 --> 01:38:32,987
Speaker 42: and give give respect back to the game which I

1898
01:38:32,987 --> 01:38:36,667
Speaker 42: took it away, and you know, the summer summed up

1899
01:38:36,667 --> 01:38:39,507
Speaker 42: with you know, at the end of it, you know,

1900
01:38:39,867 --> 01:38:44,267
Speaker 42: applying you know to the ECB to have the band

1901
01:38:44,267 --> 01:38:48,107
Speaker 42: possibly looked at, and without any sort of hesitation, they said, no,

1902
01:38:48,267 --> 01:38:51,347
Speaker 42: you've you've, as you said before my introduction, you've you've,

1903
01:38:52,027 --> 01:38:54,427
Speaker 42: you've created the benchmark of what's required of a players

1904
01:38:55,427 --> 01:38:58,787
Speaker 42: you know, silly enough to be involved, to repair the

1905
01:38:58,867 --> 01:39:01,067
Speaker 42: damage that you've done, and you know the good you're

1906
01:39:01,067 --> 01:39:03,667
Speaker 42: doing for the game behind the scenes. And then to

1907
01:39:03,787 --> 01:39:05,867
Speaker 42: Richard Hadley wanting.

1908
01:39:05,627 --> 01:39:07,427
Speaker 34: To fly up and present that kept to me was

1909
01:39:07,427 --> 01:39:08,027
Speaker 34: a real.

1910
01:39:07,947 --> 01:39:11,987
Speaker 42: Powerful you know association for me because that guy, as

1911
01:39:12,027 --> 01:39:14,587
Speaker 42: we know, is just a complete legend and using on

1912
01:39:14,627 --> 01:39:16,827
Speaker 42: sport and for them to a line from south with me

1913
01:39:16,907 --> 01:39:19,467
Speaker 42: and presenting that cap to me was it was a

1914
01:39:19,547 --> 01:39:21,347
Speaker 42: night I'll never forget. And for my family to be

1915
01:39:21,427 --> 01:39:24,027
Speaker 42: there and you know, the Lawyers and Class Association New

1916
01:39:24,107 --> 01:39:25,307
Speaker 42: Zealand Cricket to put that on.

1917
01:39:26,947 --> 01:39:27,827
Speaker 6: Yeah it was.

1918
01:39:27,587 --> 01:39:32,707
Speaker 42: It's awesome, awesome, really really grateful and yeah, I'm trying to, yeah,

1919
01:39:32,787 --> 01:39:35,107
Speaker 42: not look in the past. Too much and just try

1920
01:39:35,187 --> 01:39:38,747
Speaker 42: and use every bit of negative negativity and rough experience

1921
01:39:38,787 --> 01:39:40,827
Speaker 42: and bad experience and send it into.

1922
01:39:40,627 --> 01:39:41,067
Speaker 6: A good one.

1923
01:39:41,107 --> 01:39:43,987
Speaker 42: So that's my role in life now. And I hope

1924
01:39:43,987 --> 01:39:47,667
Speaker 42: that you know with these supposings that I go to

1925
01:39:47,747 --> 01:39:51,867
Speaker 42: in these guest speaking engagements I do. It's a way

1926
01:39:51,907 --> 01:39:55,547
Speaker 42: of sharing my story and and helping helping people and

1927
01:39:55,547 --> 01:39:58,947
Speaker 42: helping sporting associations to protect the integrity of the sport.

1928
01:39:59,987 --> 01:40:02,467
Speaker 2: When you were asked a spot, folks, what did you

1929
01:40:02,627 --> 01:40:03,347
Speaker 2: have to do?

1930
01:40:05,387 --> 01:40:10,347
Speaker 42: Well at the time, it was score, score ten to fifteen,

1931
01:40:10,387 --> 01:40:13,267
Speaker 42: runs off twenty balls and get out, which was pretty

1932
01:40:13,307 --> 01:40:14,667
Speaker 42: much just bat.

1933
01:40:14,467 --> 01:40:20,547
Speaker 2: Normally, no suspicion, No suspicion was raised, was just what

1934
01:40:20,627 --> 01:40:21,387
Speaker 2: Lukenson does.

1935
01:40:21,627 --> 01:40:24,347
Speaker 42: Yeah, get paid fifty grand for batting normally. Okay, no

1936
01:40:24,427 --> 01:40:28,707
Speaker 42: worries obviously not. You know, it's all controlled and it's

1937
01:40:28,747 --> 01:40:31,427
Speaker 42: all you know, it's stopped so much about the winning

1938
01:40:31,427 --> 01:40:33,587
Speaker 42: and losing of the game. It's about you know, what's

1939
01:40:33,667 --> 01:40:36,027
Speaker 42: what's better on and segments of the game and sessions

1940
01:40:36,067 --> 01:40:38,587
Speaker 42: of the game. So that was certain certainly my role

1941
01:40:38,587 --> 01:40:40,667
Speaker 42: as the opening batsman's to score ten to fifteen and.

1942
01:40:42,267 --> 01:40:42,667
Speaker 34: Get out.

1943
01:40:43,147 --> 01:40:46,587
Speaker 42: But the last game, the last game. I think it's

1944
01:40:46,587 --> 01:40:49,227
Speaker 42: documented somewhere, certainly in the court case I was involved.

1945
01:40:49,227 --> 01:40:50,827
Speaker 42: It was, you know, when I was supposed to get out,

1946
01:40:50,867 --> 01:40:54,947
Speaker 42: I accidentally darrek kind of looking to miss it, get stumped.

1947
01:40:54,947 --> 01:40:56,747
Speaker 42: And I still stay to this day. I swear to

1948
01:40:56,827 --> 01:40:58,987
Speaker 42: God that ball hit a big rock on the pitch

1949
01:40:59,027 --> 01:41:00,347
Speaker 42: and it spun into the middle of my back and

1950
01:41:00,387 --> 01:41:02,787
Speaker 42: went over the boy's head down to Longland who tumbled

1951
01:41:02,827 --> 01:41:06,867
Speaker 42: the catch over his head for six So to getting out,

1952
01:41:06,867 --> 01:41:09,627
Speaker 42: I had a sex So I wasn't very good at

1953
01:41:09,667 --> 01:41:11,547
Speaker 42: at spot sixy doing my job.

1954
01:41:12,667 --> 01:41:15,827
Speaker 2: That is. Lou Vincent was just part of a very

1955
01:41:15,947 --> 01:41:18,667
Speaker 2: very interesting chat that we had on Weekend Sport a

1956
01:41:18,667 --> 01:41:22,147
Speaker 2: couple of months ago to twenty nine. Speaking of former cricketers,

1957
01:41:22,347 --> 01:41:25,947
Speaker 2: Mark great Batch, keyweek Cricket icon. He's now President of

1958
01:41:26,187 --> 01:41:30,987
Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricketer. His career, of course, included some iconic moments,

1959
01:41:31,107 --> 01:41:36,627
Speaker 2: including that match saving eleven hour century at the Whacker

1960
01:41:37,147 --> 01:41:41,227
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine and also pioneering the pinch hitting

1961
01:41:41,307 --> 01:41:43,827
Speaker 2: role at the top of the order at the ODI

1962
01:41:43,987 --> 01:41:46,427
Speaker 2: World Cup in nineteen ninety two. I spoke to Mark

1963
01:41:46,427 --> 01:41:48,947
Speaker 2: great Batch only about a month or so ago, asked

1964
01:41:48,947 --> 01:41:51,907
Speaker 2: about that nineteen ninety two World Cup in general terms

1965
01:41:52,307 --> 01:41:54,867
Speaker 2: and his memories of it, well, I.

1966
01:41:54,787 --> 01:41:57,627
Speaker 25: Think the whole country because the tournament was in Australia

1967
01:41:57,667 --> 01:41:59,667
Speaker 25: and New Zealand and we played all our games in

1968
01:41:59,707 --> 01:42:04,507
Speaker 25: New Zealand. You know, we started winning, which helps, but

1969
01:42:04,667 --> 01:42:07,947
Speaker 25: you know, I remember the public and going to the

1970
01:42:07,947 --> 01:42:08,867
Speaker 25: different regions.

1971
01:42:08,907 --> 01:42:09,707
Speaker 6: It was a real.

1972
01:42:09,547 --> 01:42:13,907
Speaker 25: Excitement for the game and for us, you know, in

1973
01:42:13,907 --> 01:42:18,587
Speaker 25: that tournament particularly, so you know, that was the helter scalter.

1974
01:42:18,667 --> 01:42:22,067
Speaker 25: Obviously the eighties with one day cricket started it and

1975
01:42:22,107 --> 01:42:25,187
Speaker 25: we had a great team there playing competitive cricket against

1976
01:42:25,187 --> 01:42:27,947
Speaker 25: some bests in the world. And then the ninety two

1977
01:42:27,947 --> 01:42:31,747
Speaker 25: World Cup I think took it again, so you know,

1978
01:42:31,787 --> 01:42:33,147
Speaker 25: I mean it was a lot of fun.

1979
01:42:33,187 --> 01:42:34,467
Speaker 20: It was six eight weeks.

1980
01:42:34,547 --> 01:42:38,867
Speaker 25: I mean, it ended tragically like sport does sometimes when

1981
01:42:38,867 --> 01:42:40,547
Speaker 25: we lost in the semi to Pakistan.

1982
01:42:40,787 --> 01:42:42,867
Speaker 6: But you know, I think there was a real excitement

1983
01:42:43,467 --> 01:42:44,427
Speaker 6: about the game.

1984
01:42:44,787 --> 01:42:48,907
Speaker 25: And you know, I mean, our guys and girls are

1985
01:42:48,907 --> 01:42:52,587
Speaker 25: competing on the world stage now in different formats and

1986
01:42:52,667 --> 01:42:55,347
Speaker 25: world tournaments and doing us proud.

1987
01:42:55,387 --> 01:42:57,307
Speaker 2: I think if we think back to the way that

1988
01:42:57,347 --> 01:43:00,627
Speaker 2: one day cricket was played in the in the early nineties,

1989
01:43:00,667 --> 01:43:02,587
Speaker 2: it was still very much certainly at the top of

1990
01:43:02,627 --> 01:43:05,227
Speaker 2: the order. Anyway you'd play yourself in. You might get

1991
01:43:05,227 --> 01:43:07,707
Speaker 2: through the first ten overs and big thirty without loss

1992
01:43:07,747 --> 01:43:09,427
Speaker 2: and be quite happy with that. But of course you

1993
01:43:09,507 --> 01:43:12,867
Speaker 2: came in and started pinch hitting at the top of

1994
01:43:12,907 --> 01:43:16,147
Speaker 2: the order, which had very rarely been seen before, particularly

1995
01:43:16,147 --> 01:43:21,227
Speaker 2: by New Zealand batsman. Was that an intentional decision before

1996
01:43:21,227 --> 01:43:23,627
Speaker 2: the tournament started, Mark, you and Martin Krachen maybe Warren

1997
01:43:23,707 --> 01:43:26,107
Speaker 2: Lea's the coach, decided that you'd just go for it

1998
01:43:26,147 --> 01:43:27,867
Speaker 2: from ball one.

1999
01:43:28,707 --> 01:43:31,107
Speaker 25: Well, I think from memory, which is a long time ago,

2000
01:43:31,387 --> 01:43:34,387
Speaker 25: so it's probably clouded. But I was playing so badly

2001
01:43:34,587 --> 01:43:36,827
Speaker 25: they just said to me, go out and play freely,

2002
01:43:37,387 --> 01:43:38,667
Speaker 25: and so they almost.

2003
01:43:38,347 --> 01:43:42,467
Speaker 6: Gave me, you know, a free sort of script.

2004
01:43:42,347 --> 01:43:46,667
Speaker 25: And myself and Rod Latham, who played positively in that

2005
01:43:46,707 --> 01:43:50,347
Speaker 25: tournament toos that we did start to try and play

2006
01:43:50,387 --> 01:43:53,627
Speaker 25: a bit differently, to just change the you know, the

2007
01:43:53,667 --> 01:43:56,467
Speaker 25: way the game was played and being a bit more aggressive.

2008
01:43:56,507 --> 01:44:01,267
Speaker 25: Now now it looks like pretty sedately compared to the

2009
01:44:01,307 --> 01:44:03,707
Speaker 25: modern game, but you know, scoring at six or seven

2010
01:44:03,787 --> 01:44:06,987
Speaker 25: and over back then from two of us three was

2011
01:44:07,067 --> 01:44:13,027
Speaker 25: quite a difference. So you know that that was the transition,

2012
01:44:13,187 --> 01:44:15,827
Speaker 25: and then the sholl Ankins and next World Cup took

2013
01:44:15,827 --> 01:44:18,627
Speaker 25: it to another level with their openings.

2014
01:44:18,907 --> 01:44:21,787
Speaker 2: Great chat to Mark gray Batchie that nineteen ninety two

2015
01:44:21,827 --> 01:44:24,547
Speaker 2: World Cup still iconic, isn't it? Can still remember the

2016
01:44:24,627 --> 01:44:28,387
Speaker 2: heartbreak of being knocked out by Pakistan in the semi finals.

2017
01:44:28,467 --> 01:44:32,467
Speaker 2: Depak Patowel opening the bowling, Mark gray Batch, as you

2018
01:44:32,507 --> 01:44:35,907
Speaker 2: just heard Pin chitting at the top with Rod Latham,

2019
01:44:35,987 --> 01:44:39,547
Speaker 2: the likes of Gavin Larsen and Chris Harris, you know,

2020
01:44:39,627 --> 01:44:45,147
Speaker 2: getting wickets, Martin Crow just getting runs everywhere he batted,

2021
01:44:45,187 --> 01:44:47,747
Speaker 2: and then getting that injury in the semi final. Not

2022
01:44:47,827 --> 01:44:52,067
Speaker 2: Able to field and bring together the strategy which had

2023
01:44:52,067 --> 01:44:55,027
Speaker 2: worked so well in terms of the bowling innings up

2024
01:44:55,107 --> 01:44:58,427
Speaker 2: until then, an Inza Marmal Hauk coming in and taking

2025
01:44:58,467 --> 01:45:01,627
Speaker 2: it all away from us. That's funny how you can

2026
01:45:01,667 --> 01:45:04,827
Speaker 2: remember things from was that thirty three years ago? And

2027
01:45:04,827 --> 01:45:06,747
Speaker 2: I can't even remember which day they put the bins

2028
01:45:06,787 --> 01:45:10,107
Speaker 2: out anyway, Great to have Mark great Batch on the show.

2029
01:45:10,147 --> 01:45:12,587
Speaker 2: This is our year in review. I always enjoyed chatting

2030
01:45:12,867 --> 01:45:15,787
Speaker 2: with our top squash player Paul Cole. We caught up

2031
01:45:15,787 --> 01:45:19,067
Speaker 2: in October after over a decade in the world's top

2032
01:45:19,187 --> 01:45:23,747
Speaker 2: ten in six years in the world's top five. I

2033
01:45:23,787 --> 01:45:26,267
Speaker 2: asked Paul Cole how much his game had changed.

2034
01:45:27,227 --> 01:45:30,307
Speaker 43: Yeah, I mean it's to be honest, that sounds crazy

2035
01:45:30,307 --> 01:45:33,787
Speaker 43: to me to think about, but yeah, I mean my

2036
01:45:33,867 --> 01:45:37,667
Speaker 43: game's still evolving. You know, as we speak at something

2037
01:45:37,707 --> 01:45:41,027
Speaker 43: I enjoy about being an athlete being able to constantly

2038
01:45:41,747 --> 01:45:44,467
Speaker 43: look for areas to improve yourself. I think that's one

2039
01:45:44,467 --> 01:45:46,347
Speaker 43: of the joys I get out of being an athlete,

2040
01:45:46,467 --> 01:45:50,307
Speaker 43: is just constantly evaluating how we can get better and

2041
01:45:50,547 --> 01:45:55,347
Speaker 43: learning and learning new tricks, learning new fitness things, mental things.

2042
01:45:56,027 --> 01:45:57,587
Speaker 6: There's just so many doors to open.

2043
01:45:58,347 --> 01:46:02,267
Speaker 43: That's what I find the most exciting about being an athlete.

2044
01:46:02,267 --> 01:46:04,227
Speaker 43: Like I said, and I sort of lost that when

2045
01:46:04,267 --> 01:46:06,667
Speaker 43: I went to one, a lot of things got results forcus.

2046
01:46:06,707 --> 01:46:09,947
Speaker 43: So just taking my learnings from that and even if

2047
01:46:09,987 --> 01:46:12,027
Speaker 43: I get back to you know, two or one in

2048
01:46:12,067 --> 01:46:13,707
Speaker 43: the world then just to sort of keep that same

2049
01:46:13,747 --> 01:46:16,547
Speaker 43: mindset of operating at the top, but you know, never

2050
01:46:16,627 --> 01:46:19,107
Speaker 43: being satisfied and just trying to trying to get better

2051
01:46:19,147 --> 01:46:19,707
Speaker 43: every day.

2052
01:46:19,947 --> 01:46:22,947
Speaker 2: So did being world number one almost in some ways

2053
01:46:22,947 --> 01:46:24,467
Speaker 2: become a bit of a burden to you?

2054
01:46:27,187 --> 01:46:27,667
Speaker 6: Yes or no?

2055
01:46:28,067 --> 01:46:30,867
Speaker 43: I think it was the best time in my life.

2056
01:46:30,907 --> 01:46:34,507
Speaker 43: I mean, I still pinch myself. You know, I'm great

2057
01:46:34,547 --> 01:46:37,707
Speaker 43: mates with Israel Dag now, which is you know, someone

2058
01:46:37,707 --> 01:46:39,267
Speaker 43: who I grew up watching as an All Black and

2059
01:46:39,307 --> 01:46:42,067
Speaker 43: a massive fanboy of them, and you know, now we're

2060
01:46:42,107 --> 01:46:45,787
Speaker 43: good mates and just stuff like that was very overwhelming.

2061
01:46:45,987 --> 01:46:50,147
Speaker 43: I think for me, it was pretty surreal to be

2062
01:46:50,267 --> 01:46:52,507
Speaker 43: able to, you know, pick up the phone and call

2063
01:46:52,587 --> 01:46:55,507
Speaker 43: someone like that. And I think it just got got

2064
01:46:55,547 --> 01:46:57,027
Speaker 43: a lot to me, and it was sort of got

2065
01:46:57,067 --> 01:46:59,867
Speaker 43: a lot results based. You know, obviously when you get

2066
01:46:59,867 --> 01:47:01,627
Speaker 43: to the top, it's like you're getting all this stuff

2067
01:47:01,667 --> 01:47:04,187
Speaker 43: thrown at you and you sort of don't want it

2068
01:47:04,227 --> 01:47:05,667
Speaker 43: to stop, and you think, you know, you just got

2069
01:47:05,707 --> 01:47:08,147
Speaker 43: to keep winning that stuff to keep happening. And that

2070
01:47:08,307 --> 01:47:10,627
Speaker 43: definitely got a lot for me. Definitely was something I

2071
01:47:10,667 --> 01:47:14,147
Speaker 43: wasn't used to and wasn't equipped to handle. So I

2072
01:47:14,187 --> 01:47:15,947
Speaker 43: think I learned a lot from that time though, and

2073
01:47:16,547 --> 01:47:18,547
Speaker 43: I think hopefully if I get back there, then I'll

2074
01:47:18,587 --> 01:47:21,187
Speaker 43: be better equipped to handle it. But at that time,

2075
01:47:21,307 --> 01:47:23,387
Speaker 43: it was huge, you know, a huge thing for me

2076
01:47:23,467 --> 01:47:26,667
Speaker 43: and very overwhelming with a lot a lot of emotions

2077
01:47:26,667 --> 01:47:29,307
Speaker 43: and everything just became very hard. You know, to compete,

2078
01:47:29,347 --> 01:47:32,507
Speaker 43: to play and think clearly, it was a lot harder. So,

2079
01:47:33,227 --> 01:47:36,387
Speaker 43: like I said, you know, lessons learned, and it's.

2080
01:47:36,267 --> 01:47:37,227
Speaker 6: A good experience to have.

2081
01:47:37,267 --> 01:47:39,067
Speaker 43: I think has put me in a bit of shape

2082
01:47:39,067 --> 01:47:41,507
Speaker 43: for playing finals and stuff. Now I definitely handle the

2083
01:47:41,547 --> 01:47:44,067
Speaker 43: situation better. So hopefully we can get back there and

2084
01:47:44,547 --> 01:47:46,827
Speaker 43: you know, prove to myself that I can, you know,

2085
01:47:47,027 --> 01:47:47,547
Speaker 43: belong there.

2086
01:47:47,707 --> 01:47:51,667
Speaker 2: Indeed, your trademark across your career has always been your

2087
01:47:51,987 --> 01:47:56,987
Speaker 2: relentless chasing down of lost causes, your full length dives

2088
01:47:57,347 --> 01:47:59,987
Speaker 2: across the court. Are you still doing that as often

2089
01:48:00,067 --> 01:48:01,067
Speaker 2: as you always have?

2090
01:48:02,667 --> 01:48:07,667
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah. Unfortunately, my body, my body.

2091
01:48:07,947 --> 01:48:10,067
Speaker 43: If everyone asked me how I was coming off Katar,

2092
01:48:10,147 --> 01:48:11,987
Speaker 43: and I was actually right physically, you know, but I

2093
01:48:11,987 --> 01:48:15,067
Speaker 43: had no skin left on my fingers, my toes and

2094
01:48:15,107 --> 01:48:17,587
Speaker 43: my knees were all shredded of skin. And I was like,

2095
01:48:18,027 --> 01:48:20,027
Speaker 43: my muscle was a fine, but far out. Putting my

2096
01:48:20,067 --> 01:48:24,107
Speaker 43: shoes on, my fingers floody bleeded. So just stuff like that.

2097
01:48:24,267 --> 01:48:27,907
Speaker 43: It comes from the dives and stuff. But again it's

2098
01:48:27,947 --> 01:48:30,987
Speaker 43: my character, It's who I am, and I don't even

2099
01:48:31,027 --> 01:48:33,707
Speaker 43: think about it, mate, It just happens when I get

2100
01:48:33,747 --> 01:48:36,747
Speaker 43: desperate on there so yeah, unfortunately still doing it at

2101
01:48:36,747 --> 01:48:38,067
Speaker 43: the ripe old age of thirty three.

2102
01:48:38,267 --> 01:48:42,827
Speaker 2: That's Paul Cole, one of our great Kiwi athletes overseas,

2103
01:48:42,827 --> 01:48:46,147
Speaker 2: doing most of his work off short although he during

2104
01:48:46,147 --> 01:48:48,187
Speaker 2: that interview confirmed that he will be back for the

2105
01:48:48,227 --> 01:48:51,067
Speaker 2: New Zealand Squash Open. He always tries to get back

2106
01:48:51,107 --> 01:48:54,147
Speaker 2: for it usually wins it, of course, being as highly

2107
01:48:54,267 --> 01:48:56,867
Speaker 2: ranked as he is. So looking forward to seeing Paul

2108
01:48:56,907 --> 01:48:59,107
Speaker 2: Cole back for the New Zealand Squash Open in twenty

2109
01:48:59,147 --> 01:49:02,147
Speaker 2: twenty six, coming up twenty three away from three after

2110
01:49:02,187 --> 01:49:05,587
Speaker 2: the break. Our final few little snippets for you in

2111
01:49:05,747 --> 01:49:08,667
Speaker 2: our year review show for twenty twenty five, We're back

2112
01:49:08,667 --> 01:49:09,227
Speaker 2: in a Moment.

2113
01:49:09,267 --> 01:49:13,987
Speaker 1: No One Grudge, hold n Gage Weekend Sports with Jason

2114
01:49:14,027 --> 01:49:18,387
Speaker 1: Pain and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's Lost Trustinoe Milder News

2115
01:49:18,427 --> 01:49:19,467
Speaker 1: Talk to Baby.

2116
01:49:19,787 --> 01:49:23,427
Speaker 2: Twenty to three. One of the saddest stories of twenty

2117
01:49:23,627 --> 01:49:27,587
Speaker 2: twenty five was that of former rugby player Shane Christie,

2118
01:49:27,667 --> 01:49:31,667
Speaker 2: who passed away in August, sparking calls from grieving friends

2119
01:49:31,747 --> 01:49:34,827
Speaker 2: and from the wider community for greater attention to the

2120
01:49:34,947 --> 01:49:39,347
Speaker 2: damage a rugby playing career can cause. Shane Christie was

2121
01:49:39,387 --> 01:49:42,667
Speaker 2: a staunch advocate for greater focus on the damage that

2122
01:49:42,787 --> 01:49:47,827
Speaker 2: repeated head injuries can have, particularly the links with CTE.

2123
01:49:48,187 --> 01:49:52,827
Speaker 2: Former Welsh rugby player and co founder of Head for Change,

2124
01:49:53,227 --> 01:49:56,827
Speaker 2: Alex Popham joined me in the days following Shane Christie's passing.

2125
01:49:57,267 --> 01:49:59,667
Speaker 2: I asked Alex how tough it was to learn of

2126
01:49:59,787 --> 01:50:00,267
Speaker 2: the news.

2127
01:50:01,387 --> 01:50:03,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been really tough.

2128
01:50:03,187 --> 01:50:07,787
Speaker 44: And just hearing all the and reading all the lover

2129
01:50:07,907 --> 01:50:14,467
Speaker 44: support for Shane. It's just such a stop myself from swearing.

2130
01:50:14,507 --> 01:50:16,107
Speaker 6: But I'm just angry with.

2131
01:50:16,107 --> 01:50:20,427
Speaker 44: This situation still still carrying on. He was such a

2132
01:50:20,707 --> 01:50:22,147
Speaker 44: eloquent guy speaking.

2133
01:50:22,387 --> 01:50:24,867
Speaker 6: He spoke softly, but he spoke.

2134
01:50:24,627 --> 01:50:29,467
Speaker 44: With real meaning and what's gone on with him over

2135
01:50:29,667 --> 01:50:33,147
Speaker 44: the last few years and putting this message out there

2136
01:50:33,987 --> 01:50:36,387
Speaker 44: and I really think it comes to its head where

2137
01:50:37,147 --> 01:50:41,507
Speaker 44: three weeks ago, four weeks ago, he released the recording

2138
01:50:41,787 --> 01:50:46,587
Speaker 44: of the CEO, Rob Nickel of the Players Association, who's

2139
01:50:46,627 --> 01:50:49,307
Speaker 44: supposed to be there to look after the players, gaslight

2140
01:50:49,387 --> 01:50:54,507
Speaker 44: in this situation and downplaying the seriousness of it. He

2141
01:50:54,627 --> 01:50:58,187
Speaker 44: was hoping that would be picked up that recording of

2142
01:50:59,307 --> 01:51:04,467
Speaker 44: telling the current players that it's down to the alcohol

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Speaker 44: of the boys that are drinking too many drugs, the

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01:51:07,467 --> 01:51:11,067
Speaker 44: lifestyle and all that rubbish, and really, and then turning

2145
01:51:11,107 --> 01:51:13,627
Speaker 44: around and saying that rugby is safer than soccer.

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01:51:13,787 --> 01:51:15,107
Speaker 6: It's just a load of rubbish.

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01:51:15,467 --> 01:51:19,707
Speaker 44: And really, for me, I think Shane thought that that

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01:51:19,907 --> 01:51:22,147
Speaker 44: was going to be picked up and it wasn't.

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01:51:22,627 --> 01:51:23,387
Speaker 6: Now he's dead.

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01:51:23,587 --> 01:51:25,667
Speaker 44: Now we're talking about it, and that is just the

2151
01:51:25,707 --> 01:51:29,387
Speaker 44: wrong way round. This message needs to get out there

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01:51:29,627 --> 01:51:32,107
Speaker 44: to the current players, to the mums and dads, to

2153
01:51:32,187 --> 01:51:33,947
Speaker 44: the coaches, because there's.

2154
01:51:34,227 --> 01:51:36,467
Speaker 6: Too many young men and women.

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01:51:36,707 --> 01:51:39,707
Speaker 44: I saw the parents We've lost their child with this

2156
01:51:39,787 --> 01:51:44,267
Speaker 44: situation because I've had traumatic brain energy from rugby and

2157
01:51:44,307 --> 01:51:45,867
Speaker 44: we're not taking it serious enough.

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01:51:46,427 --> 01:51:47,547
Speaker 6: Oh we're telling my votes.

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01:51:47,587 --> 01:51:52,267
Speaker 44: I'm angry because this man put his life on hold

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01:51:52,387 --> 01:51:56,387
Speaker 44: for the last three years and no one was listening.

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Speaker 2: I would not see you use A lot is denial

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01:52:02,427 --> 01:52:06,107
Speaker 2: denial by the game's gaverning bodies. What do you want

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01:52:06,147 --> 01:52:08,787
Speaker 2: to say see from them, Well.

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01:52:08,667 --> 01:52:12,067
Speaker 44: What's happening now in rugby. It's legue denial to what

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01:52:12,507 --> 01:52:16,267
Speaker 44: happened in the NFL. They're playing exactly the same playbook

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01:52:16,307 --> 01:52:20,187
Speaker 44: the NFL did with their lawyers, with the governing bodies,

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01:52:20,307 --> 01:52:22,547
Speaker 44: and they can't make the changes that need to be

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01:52:22,627 --> 01:52:25,947
Speaker 44: made because legally, because of the legal case in the UK,

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01:52:26,947 --> 01:52:30,187
Speaker 44: that opens up a can of worms. They know every hit,

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01:52:30,387 --> 01:52:33,027
Speaker 44: every contact, not just to the head, is causing small

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01:52:33,067 --> 01:52:35,827
Speaker 44: amount of damage to the brain and that over a

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01:52:35,827 --> 01:52:40,267
Speaker 44: player's career is resulting in CTE. So the big changes

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01:52:40,667 --> 01:52:44,907
Speaker 44: and mostly off the pitch from limiting the amount of

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01:52:44,907 --> 01:52:47,947
Speaker 44: contacts and training, but made that mandatory when there is

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01:52:48,987 --> 01:52:51,827
Speaker 44: a traumatic brain injury and that player's being diagnosed, not

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01:52:52,027 --> 01:52:55,107
Speaker 44: rushing them back in six bloody days. They need a

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Speaker 44: good twenty eight days so that brain to recover. But

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01:52:58,387 --> 01:53:01,747
Speaker 44: there's a protocol that fits that. There's six steps that

2179
01:53:01,827 --> 01:53:04,907
Speaker 44: fits into six days that these players don't miss a game.

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01:53:05,347 --> 01:53:08,667
Speaker 44: And you've got rugby boy and rugby women who were warriors,

2181
01:53:08,667 --> 01:53:11,547
Speaker 44: who were gladiators and want to be on that pitch.

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01:53:11,667 --> 01:53:14,027
Speaker 44: That power needs to be taken out of their hands.

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01:53:15,667 --> 01:53:18,507
Speaker 44: The other things that we would like is limit on

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01:53:18,587 --> 01:53:26,147
Speaker 44: game time and annual medical scans that would pick up

2185
01:53:26,147 --> 01:53:30,387
Speaker 44: at the damage to the brain from the previous season.

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01:53:31,147 --> 01:53:33,987
Speaker 44: I think having those things in and they're checking out

2187
01:53:34,027 --> 01:53:37,347
Speaker 44: gimmicks with bloody gumshields and this and that, it's all

2188
01:53:37,387 --> 01:53:40,187
Speaker 44: smoke and mirrors to what really is happening.

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01:53:40,627 --> 01:53:45,147
Speaker 2: That's Alex Popham, former Welsh rugby international co founder of

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01:53:45,507 --> 01:53:49,227
Speaker 2: Hid for Change. After the passing of former New Zealand

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01:53:49,307 --> 01:53:52,627
Speaker 2: rugby player Shane Christie, we're looking back at the year

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01:53:52,627 --> 01:53:54,947
Speaker 2: and review it's two forty five. One of the more

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01:53:55,027 --> 01:53:58,947
Speaker 2: fascical stories of the year was the inclusion in our

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01:53:59,027 --> 01:54:04,467
Speaker 2: National Basketball League of the Indian Panthers. Their arrival was

2195
01:54:04,547 --> 01:54:08,467
Speaker 2: heralded as a game change for basketball here in New Zealands,

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01:54:08,707 --> 01:54:11,907
Speaker 2: but just nine games into the season they were suspended

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01:54:12,027 --> 01:54:17,707
Speaker 2: indefinitely after allegations emerged around delayed player payments and also

2198
01:54:17,867 --> 01:54:23,107
Speaker 2: treatment of those players. Longtime basketball coach and basketball identity

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01:54:23,147 --> 01:54:25,907
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand Jeff Green joined me to break

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01:54:25,947 --> 01:54:26,347
Speaker 2: this down.

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Speaker 45: Well, it was always going to be a disaster right

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01:54:31,747 --> 01:54:36,427
Speaker 45: from the word go, and to have a team come

2203
01:54:36,467 --> 01:54:40,787
Speaker 45: in at a late stage as Indian Penses did and

2204
01:54:41,507 --> 01:54:46,267
Speaker 45: no real ties to New Zealand, et cetera. So it

2205
01:54:46,387 --> 01:54:49,107
Speaker 45: was always going to be something that had to be

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01:54:49,187 --> 01:54:50,507
Speaker 45: really planned well.

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01:54:51,747 --> 01:54:53,707
Speaker 34: And carried out, et cetera.

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01:54:53,827 --> 01:54:58,667
Speaker 45: But obviously it was rushed and it's starting to show

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01:54:59,347 --> 01:55:05,587
Speaker 45: and the people behind the scenes haven't stumped up as

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01:55:05,627 --> 01:55:09,867
Speaker 45: they promised, and so you know, it's it's been an

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01:55:10,027 --> 01:55:13,347
Speaker 45: exercise that hopefully we never go through again.

2212
01:55:13,627 --> 01:55:18,507
Speaker 4: But to be fair, you know.

2213
01:55:19,507 --> 01:55:22,627
Speaker 45: The Panthers had a long term game and it wasn't

2214
01:55:22,667 --> 01:55:27,547
Speaker 45: the New Zealand NBL, but that sort of shot their

2215
01:55:27,547 --> 01:55:31,107
Speaker 45: long term plans as well. If they don't tidy up there, act.

2216
01:55:31,667 --> 01:55:33,427
Speaker 2: What is their long term plan.

2217
01:55:35,107 --> 01:55:38,267
Speaker 45: I suspect the long term plan because all their owners

2218
01:55:39,067 --> 01:55:46,067
Speaker 45: are based in Australia, so you can assume that they

2219
01:55:46,107 --> 01:55:51,507
Speaker 45: were doing similar things to what the Tasmanian Huskies did

2220
01:55:51,987 --> 01:55:55,147
Speaker 45: early on a few years ago when they entered the

2221
01:55:55,267 --> 01:55:59,547
Speaker 45: New Zealand NBL and then they left and became the

2222
01:55:59,587 --> 01:56:03,667
Speaker 45: Tasmania Jeck Jumpers in the Australian MBL. So I think

2223
01:56:03,707 --> 01:56:05,147
Speaker 45: that's what the Panthers.

2224
01:56:04,787 --> 01:56:07,387
Speaker 4: Were, sort of paps looking at.

2225
01:56:07,467 --> 01:56:10,907
Speaker 45: Her longer term to be in the Australian League. But

2226
01:56:11,387 --> 01:56:15,027
Speaker 45: the fact that they were getting all their players out

2227
01:56:15,067 --> 01:56:20,027
Speaker 45: of India and they had to be exceptions made Yeah,

2228
01:56:20,067 --> 01:56:23,307
Speaker 45: it was just missy and it was too.

2229
01:56:23,187 --> 01:56:26,747
Speaker 2: Rushed, as Jeff Green talking about the Indian Panther. Shortly

2230
01:56:26,787 --> 01:56:30,667
Speaker 2: after that chat, the Indian Panthers were withdrawn from the

2231
01:56:30,747 --> 01:56:36,347
Speaker 2: National Basketball League permanently a short lived stay and well one.

2232
01:56:36,427 --> 01:56:39,787
Speaker 2: I think that perhaps those who innovated in that way

2233
01:56:39,827 --> 01:56:42,267
Speaker 2: we'll look back on and think that they perhaps should

2234
01:56:42,307 --> 01:56:47,347
Speaker 2: have done a bit more due diligence. Our final segment

2235
01:56:47,467 --> 01:56:49,827
Speaker 2: on the Year in Review is around the New Zealand

2236
01:56:49,987 --> 01:56:53,787
Speaker 2: Dance Masters. They were back here in August and one

2237
01:56:53,827 --> 01:56:59,907
Speaker 2: of the sports icons, legendary referee Russ Bray, was here

2238
01:56:59,947 --> 01:57:02,027
Speaker 2: for the New Zealand Darts Masters. He joined me on

2239
01:57:02,067 --> 01:57:04,507
Speaker 2: the show. It was great to chat to Russ Bray.

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01:57:04,547 --> 01:57:06,747
Speaker 2: What a character, I asked him right the end of

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01:57:06,787 --> 01:57:10,707
Speaker 2: their chat with the players ever surprised him with the

2242
01:57:10,747 --> 01:57:13,227
Speaker 2: way they attacked to checkout. They have the darts in

2243
01:57:13,267 --> 01:57:17,347
Speaker 2: their hand to win a league, the players still surprise

2244
01:57:17,467 --> 01:57:20,987
Speaker 2: them with the way they check out someone.

2245
01:57:23,267 --> 01:57:25,627
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't forget on my old school. I'll

2246
01:57:25,627 --> 01:57:27,667
Speaker 4: go back to them. I'll go back to the seventies

2247
01:57:27,707 --> 01:57:31,147
Speaker 4: and eighties where it was really basic shots out, you know.

2248
01:57:31,307 --> 01:57:33,827
Speaker 4: But these guys now, I mean, goodness me, they're going

2249
01:57:33,867 --> 01:57:35,827
Speaker 4: for double doubles and all. This sort of thing was

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01:57:35,987 --> 01:57:38,347
Speaker 4: never unheard of when I was and I was in

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01:57:38,427 --> 01:57:41,627
Speaker 4: the game early doors, you know, so yeah, it's now

2252
01:57:41,747 --> 01:57:45,387
Speaker 4: from my perspective, it's a matter of getting news to

2253
01:57:45,467 --> 01:57:50,747
Speaker 4: the guys hitting double double shots out, you know one

2254
01:57:50,827 --> 01:57:53,227
Speaker 4: hundred and one hundred and twelve and things like that

2255
01:57:54,587 --> 01:57:57,067
Speaker 4: where it's sort of going just really really crazy way,

2256
01:57:57,107 --> 01:57:59,107
Speaker 4: you know, double A and double A and double top,

2257
01:57:59,187 --> 01:58:03,467
Speaker 4: this type of thing. You know, it's it's mental. It

2258
01:58:03,587 --> 01:58:06,107
Speaker 4: is mental. But yeah, you don't surprise me sometimes because

2259
01:58:06,147 --> 01:58:09,667
Speaker 4: your where they're going. They've got a quick calculation as

2260
01:58:09,707 --> 01:58:12,867
Speaker 4: to where you think they might be going there. So yeah,

2261
01:58:12,907 --> 01:58:14,707
Speaker 4: it's it's good as what I was say, entertainer, it's

2262
01:58:14,707 --> 01:58:16,267
Speaker 4: good funds in and go there. And of course they

2263
01:58:16,387 --> 01:58:18,307
Speaker 4: use the bulls eye a lot now, yeah, and they

2264
01:58:18,347 --> 01:58:20,227
Speaker 4: never used two years ago. The bull's eye is a

2265
01:58:20,267 --> 01:58:22,467
Speaker 4: big shot out and everyone loves it. Yeah.

2266
01:58:22,547 --> 01:58:25,627
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And obviously you're still sharp airs with the with

2267
01:58:25,747 --> 01:58:29,867
Speaker 2: the maths and doing the calculations in your head. Can

2268
01:58:29,947 --> 01:58:31,707
Speaker 2: I give you a couple of checkouts and get you

2269
01:58:31,827 --> 01:58:34,107
Speaker 2: to tell me how you think a player would take it? Yep,

2270
01:58:34,227 --> 01:58:36,347
Speaker 2: so one hundred and thirteen.

2271
01:58:38,147 --> 01:58:40,147
Speaker 4: Trouble twenty thirteen, Double Top.

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01:58:40,627 --> 01:58:41,907
Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty eight.

2273
01:58:44,027 --> 01:58:49,267
Speaker 4: Well, very famous, a great man, Keith Trouble twenty team double.

2274
01:58:49,067 --> 01:58:50,987
Speaker 2: Twelve, love it and one oh one.

2275
01:58:53,467 --> 01:58:56,547
Speaker 4: Or the obviously there's a billion and one ways on it.

2276
01:58:56,627 --> 01:58:58,347
Speaker 4: There's Trouble seventeen, bulls Eye.

2277
01:58:59,707 --> 01:59:00,027
Speaker 6: Russell.

2278
01:59:00,147 --> 01:59:02,027
Speaker 2: It's just a delight to have you in New Zealand,

2279
01:59:02,147 --> 01:59:03,987
Speaker 2: a delight to have you on the radio again. May

2280
01:59:04,307 --> 01:59:07,467
Speaker 2: there be many more conversations between and enjoyed tonight at

2281
01:59:07,507 --> 01:59:10,027
Speaker 2: the second night of the New Zealand Darance Masters.

2282
01:59:11,467 --> 01:59:14,107
Speaker 4: So it's lovely to be over. Thanks ever so much, mate,

2283
01:59:14,187 --> 01:59:17,267
Speaker 4: and hopefully catch up and have a Chatison.

2284
01:59:17,667 --> 01:59:21,987
Speaker 2: What a lovely, lovely, lovely man. Russ Bray, iconic voice

2285
01:59:22,227 --> 01:59:26,387
Speaker 2: and iconic darts referee still and ambassador for the for

2286
01:59:26,467 --> 01:59:29,547
Speaker 2: the world too of the PDC tour. Not involved in it,

2287
01:59:29,747 --> 01:59:31,387
Speaker 2: not that I can see anyway in the World Champs

2288
01:59:31,427 --> 01:59:34,147
Speaker 2: at the moment, but lovely to have them in New Zealand,

2289
01:59:34,227 --> 01:59:36,947
Speaker 2: to have them on Weekend Sport this year nine and

2290
01:59:37,107 --> 01:59:38,827
Speaker 2: a half away from three News Talks, it'd.

2291
01:59:38,747 --> 01:59:43,187
Speaker 1: Be animating every view from every angle in the Sporting world.

2292
01:59:43,387 --> 01:59:46,147
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vye, call.

2293
01:59:47,667 --> 01:59:52,227
Speaker 2: News Talks eNB six away from three Summer Weekends with

2294
01:59:52,467 --> 01:59:55,347
Speaker 2: Max Toll after the three o'clock News. Thanks for joining

2295
01:59:55,427 --> 01:59:58,587
Speaker 2: us for our Year in review twenty twenty five. A

2296
01:59:58,747 --> 02:00:02,147
Speaker 2: massive sporting year. Twenty twenty six is going to be

2297
02:00:02,387 --> 02:00:06,547
Speaker 2: even bigger. I reckon the FIFA World Cup with all

2298
02:00:06,587 --> 02:00:09,307
Speaker 2: whites involved for the first time since twenty ten. The

2299
02:00:09,387 --> 02:00:13,187
Speaker 2: Winter Olympics and Winter Paralympics with a number of kiwis,

2300
02:00:13,427 --> 02:00:16,907
Speaker 2: The Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, t twenty Cricket World Cups

2301
02:00:16,947 --> 02:00:19,907
Speaker 2: for our men and our women. The Black Caps Test

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02:00:19,987 --> 02:00:23,627
Speaker 2: series against England, India and then off to Australia next summer.

2303
02:00:24,387 --> 02:00:28,227
Speaker 2: Massive all Blacks year, seventeen games next year including thirteen

2304
02:00:28,347 --> 02:00:32,387
Speaker 2: tests and that massive tour of South Africa, eleven tests

2305
02:00:32,907 --> 02:00:35,187
Speaker 2: for our black ferns as well. Liam Lawson back on

2306
02:00:35,227 --> 02:00:38,787
Speaker 2: the f one grid sal GP back in Auckland, the Warriors.

2307
02:00:38,947 --> 02:00:42,147
Speaker 2: Our year could be our year, the Breakers, Auckland FC

2308
02:00:42,227 --> 02:00:45,427
Speaker 2: and the Phoenix Men and women. Super Rugby including the

2309
02:00:45,507 --> 02:00:48,267
Speaker 2: opening of one New Zealand Stadium at Tekaha, will be

2310
02:00:48,307 --> 02:00:51,307
Speaker 2: there for Super Rugby's Super Round over ANZAC. We can

2311
02:00:51,387 --> 02:00:54,507
Speaker 2: the golf majors, the tennis majors and so much more.

2312
02:00:54,627 --> 02:00:57,587
Speaker 2: And as we have this year, we will preview, we'll review,

2313
02:00:57,707 --> 02:01:00,827
Speaker 2: will analyze, We'll bring you the biggest names in sport

2314
02:01:00,907 --> 02:01:04,547
Speaker 2: from here and around the world and most importantly, we

2315
02:01:04,627 --> 02:01:07,427
Speaker 2: will give you the chance to have your on the

2316
02:01:07,467 --> 02:01:10,507
Speaker 2: biggest issues in sport. This show is nothing without you,

2317
02:01:10,667 --> 02:01:13,427
Speaker 2: so thank you so much for spending time with us

2318
02:01:13,587 --> 02:01:17,107
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. I have loved bringing Weekend Sport

2319
02:01:17,187 --> 02:01:19,627
Speaker 2: to you this year and can't wait to get stuck

2320
02:01:19,667 --> 02:01:22,467
Speaker 2: in again next year. From my family to yours, best

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02:01:22,507 --> 02:01:26,387
Speaker 2: wishes for a safe and relaxing new year. I hope

2322
02:01:26,387 --> 02:01:29,907
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six is your best year ever. Thanks to

2323
02:01:29,947 --> 02:01:42,187
Speaker 2: Bevan Due for producing. Ill see you in twenty twenty six, mine,

2324
02:01:42,787 --> 02:01:44,907
Speaker 2: mister bred and.

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02:01:47,947 --> 02:01:54,267
Speaker 35: Over oh.

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02:01:55,707 --> 02:02:20,947
Speaker 23: Again, my dear, oh God, Lets again for.

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Speaker 1: More from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live to

2328
02:02:53,947 --> 02:02:57,147
Speaker 1: news talks it be weekends from midday, or follow the

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.