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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: The Stars and called Some Powerful with so Much hundred times.

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Speaker 3: Guys Sebastian is an Australasian icon. His career has been extraordinary,

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Speaker 3: from winning the first season of Australian Idol back in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and three to carving out a place on

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Speaker 3: the charts mentoring the next generation of musical talent as

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Speaker 3: a coach on the Voice Australia. Guy has been in

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Speaker 3: the spotlight for more than two decades, and now he

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Speaker 3: is embarking on a new chapter with his tenth, yes,

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Speaker 3: tenth album. It's called one hundred Times Around the Sun,

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Speaker 3: and Guy Sebastian is with us in studio.

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Speaker 4: No, Lis Yoda, welcome, thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: It is great to see you here in person. And

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Speaker 3: it has been a big few years. Right. One hundred

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Speaker 3: Times around the Sun took five years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're four in a bit years, four and a

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Speaker 4: half years. To way too long? Too long?

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Speaker 3: No is it too long?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: This is the thing because you wrote gazillions of songs

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Speaker 3: before whittling them down into the select few that made

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Speaker 3: this record. So talk to us about that process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, look I love writing. I'm writing every day. I

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Speaker 4: might not finish ideas every day, but constantly hearing chord

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Speaker 4: progressions and melodies and always putting little things into my phone,

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Speaker 4: and so I'm constantly creating. And when it comes to

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Speaker 4: an album, I think early on, you know, I was

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Speaker 4: on Idol, so won the first idle two thousand and three.

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Speaker 4: I think it sort of makes you feel like it.

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Speaker 3: Just makes me feel so old.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, I mean I was twenty one. Then, don't

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Speaker 4: do the math. If people are watching, don't.

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Speaker 3: You look great?

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Speaker 2: Guy?

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Speaker 3: You've got just as energy because you've.

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Speaker 4: Always forty three. But but just loving the writing process

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Speaker 4: and the creative process more than ever, I think, just

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Speaker 4: because I've honed in on all those skills of production

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Speaker 4: and engineering and musicianship and you know, writing lyrics and

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Speaker 4: so it's it's yeah, it's something that is a mentality

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Speaker 4: that I had to change. I think I felt this

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Speaker 4: pressure like, don't take longer than a year or you're

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Speaker 4: going to like disappear, you know, become like disappeared to obscurity.

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Speaker 4: And and then there's like the pressure of doing the

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Speaker 4: right thing by fans. You know, you don't want to

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Speaker 4: make them wait too long? What is too long? And

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Speaker 4: so I used to have that kind of mentality govern

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Speaker 4: a lot of my my process, whereas obviously I get

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Speaker 4: older and navigating being a dad and everything else, and

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Speaker 4: I just got to this point where like, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to release anything until I am stoked with it.

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Speaker 4: Like I want to love every song. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to filler on there. I want every song to be great.

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Speaker 3: So do you find yourself sick and gissing there?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: If you don't have a kind of end point, is

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Speaker 3: But I just want to just give it another couple

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Speaker 4: Can give it a huge danger, massive danger. I think

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Speaker 4: that the thing I always try and remind myself of,

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Speaker 4: which can be difficult, is that an album is a

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Speaker 4: snapshot in time. It's a piece of art that reflects

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Speaker 4: those that time, and you've got to be comfortable with

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Speaker 4: that and then just hit you know, go like and

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Speaker 4: go all right, that's it. Yeah, I'm closing off the project.

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Speaker 4: I'm probably going to wake up, you know, in a

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Speaker 4: few weeks and hate this lyric. So I think that's

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Speaker 4: one of the best things about creating art is you

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Speaker 4: do look back in your cringe, and that's a healthy thing.

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Speaker 4: It's a healthy cringe because you know you've moved forward.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to get to you know,

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Speaker 3: blow your trumpet too much, but it sounds like this

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Speaker 3: is wisdom what you're describing as wisdom having first of all,

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Speaker 3: the confidence in your own kind of creative to know

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Speaker 3: that actually you don't need to put these arbitrary limits

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Speaker 3: got to have this out immediately, I've got to prove this.

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Speaker 3: People are going to forget me. You don't have those

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Speaker 3: are always going to be things that I'm not every

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And when it comes to art, I think a

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Speaker 4: not necessarily better, it's just different. And so so there's

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Speaker 4: there's certain elements of like as a producer, sounds change.

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Speaker 4: I swear by the month you might use a snare,

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Speaker 4: and in the in the nerdy production world, that snare

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Speaker 4: is now dated like literally weeks lady, You're like, oh

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Speaker 4: what it still isn't from that sample batch. And so

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Speaker 4: you're just got to be happy and just move on.

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Speaker 3: So you see you write every day and you do

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Speaker 3: it on your phone. Are you writing lyrics or are

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Speaker 3: you hearing something and then recording it as a voice memo?

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Speaker 3: You are you humming to yourself? How does that work?

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Speaker 4: It's very interesting looking at I love looking at other

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Speaker 4: people who are songwriters. I love looking at their voice notes.

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Speaker 4: It's very interesting. It'll be mainly melodies, and I might

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Speaker 4: be with on my piano, I might be on a guitar.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I could play you some some things off

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Speaker 4: my phone. If there's someone else that phone, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think I left it out there someway something. But it's

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Speaker 4: I've always been so mind blown by that pro like

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Speaker 4: like where sometimes I'm like, where did that come from?

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Speaker 4: And and sometimes it's good and you're like, where did that?

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Speaker 4: That sounds great? But like Battle Scars? For example, I

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Speaker 4: I just heard this melody in my head. I had

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Speaker 2: These battlescars don't look like their fade and don't look

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Speaker 4: And so then I've you know, just resumed my drive

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Speaker 4: and I get to where I am, and I pick

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Speaker 4: I listened to the voice note and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: So it was different to when I'm actually really kind

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Speaker 4: this was like I just started singing the words back.

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Speaker 4: why did that visit me?

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Speaker 3: You know? Malcolm Gladwell had this theory where it was

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Speaker 3: like genius comes in two forms. One is where someone

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Speaker 3: just works and works and works and works and works

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Speaker 3: dedicate sixteen hours a day their entire life. And another

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Speaker 3: you know, going to sell it, you know, fifteen million

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Speaker 4: Which yeah, nature versus nurture.

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Speaker 4: And I've got an eleven year old who I know

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Speaker 4: there's things that he is doing at eleven. I can't

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Speaker 4: And I'm not being one of those dads that are

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Speaker 5: Oh he's really good, he's.

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Speaker 4: Going to be. But Archie is actually he's really musical

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Speaker 4: So but it's actually such a combination of the you know,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily that sort of culture, especially back then.

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Speaker 4: Whereas for my son, he just watches his dad on

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Speaker 4: I'm on TV singing, I'm on tour. Here's my dad.

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Speaker 4: He's just like with Oprah and now he's just met

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Speaker 4: practice every single day. He's got that fire that I

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Speaker 4: practicing little runs and things like that. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think it's the hours that people didn't see that

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to be able to pick up the you know,

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Speaker 4: the guitar and right like half reads like.

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Speaker 3: You've got You've got to you've got to buy a

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Speaker 3: ticket if you want to win the lottery.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a good point. Look, we are so

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Speaker 3: delighted to have you in New Zealand. Congratulations one hundred

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Speaker 3: times around the Sun. And you're gonna perform for us, which.

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Speaker 2: Is a real treat.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to strip it back a little bit. I've

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Speaker 4: brought my keyboard player in and this is a song

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Speaker 4: ago from the New Them called Maybe, and I've got

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Speaker 4: Jack's here on Case's Jacob's a beast on the Okay, sir,

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Speaker 4: thank you Roy, You're ready.

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Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: I know they see you should take it home when

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Speaker 2: you're not looking this wedding.

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Speaker 4: You find some money, It's worth you while. Try to

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Speaker 4: stay patient.

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Speaker 2: But how could I? How could I?

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Speaker 5: Oh? All I know is I'm done?

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Speaker 2: Not allie. I can't help an if I keep falling

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Speaker 2: head on the feet, you make a mess out of me. Oh,

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Speaker 2: don't want to leave it up to me, Give me

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Speaker 2: a moment out take cat. I know they say that.

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Speaker 3: Good ends come to those who wake.

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Speaker 2: Bye bood. I'm holding the bar.

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Speaker 5: Got paid off.

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Speaker 2: I never forget weed. I know they say their good

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Speaker 4: Don't want to die with the wats to chase? Won't't

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Speaker 4: Is I'm telling them all in.

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Speaker 4: Good things come to those who wake.

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Speaker 2: By boot, I'm hold i I got paid off baby

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Speaker 2: good if I got plaid off.

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Speaker 3: All I know is I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm all in. I can't help any fire.

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Speaker 2: Keep holding.

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Speaker 4: You make a mess out of me.

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Speaker 2: I know they say that good things come to those

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Speaker 2: who wait. Why Wood, I'm a good bye, got paid

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Speaker 5: I know they say any good things come to those

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Speaker 2: Why Wood, I'm old good fine cot plaid up.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was incredible. Thank you so much. That was

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Speaker 3: I've got like chills up my spine. Guys, that was incredible.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, congratulations on the new album, and thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for being here.

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Speaker 4: We really appreciate you for having me a great chat.

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Speaker 3: So good that is Guy Sebastian. His new album is

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Speaker 3: one hundred Times Around the Sun.

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