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Speaker 1: Kiyota.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. It was

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Speaker 2: February nineteenth, two thousand and thirteen. Marie Schaeffer was excited

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Speaker 2: to start a hairdressing course at the Eastern Institute of

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Speaker 2: Technology the next day. That night, three cars, a silver

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Speaker 2: Holding Commodore, a blue Fort Falcon and a Grayness and

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Speaker 2: Skyline was street racing near Napier. The Commodore continued through

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Speaker 2: an intersection, going well over one hundred and eighty kilometers

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Speaker 2: an hour when the driver lost control, slid sideways across

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Speaker 1: There were three.

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Speaker 2: Occupants in that car. One was eighteen year old Marie.

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Speaker 2: She died at the scene. Twelve years later and boy

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Speaker 2: racer events are still happening. People are injured, cars to police, intimidated,

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Speaker 2: and people are still dying. Just last month, riot police

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Speaker 2: clashed with what the police Minister's calling cowardly tryhard idiots

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Speaker 2: in Livin and Palmerston North and police are preparing for

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Speaker 2: more of these gatherings. Today On the Front Page, Kareen Schaeffer,

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Speaker 2: Marie's mother, tells us what she'd like to say to

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Speaker 2: one of these kids and what life is like after

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Speaker 2: losing her daughter to street racing. First off, Karine, can

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Speaker 2: you tell me about your daughter?

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Speaker 1: Marie? She was beautiful, She's a I don't know. She

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Speaker 1: was just the light of the room really, because smile

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Speaker 1: was all teeth. It was infectious. She loved her sisters,

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Speaker 1: you know, sisterly love hate that kind of thing. But

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Speaker 1: you know, she was I'm my best friend. Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: had so many friends. Yeah, very ditsy though, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: she was just everything.

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Speaker 2: Was my firstborn, firstborn. And she was going to hairdressing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was going to e she was supposed to

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Speaker 1: start the morning after the crash.

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Speaker 2: What happened on February nineteenth, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was at work, just going about an normal thing,

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Speaker 1: and Marie was getting all excited about going to AIT.

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Speaker 1: And my sister had said, oh, come and stay here

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Speaker 1: and have an early night. But no, Marie wanted to

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Speaker 1: do your own thing, and she sent one of those

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Speaker 1: chain mail texts things. And by the time I finished

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Speaker 1: work it was about halbus ten eleven hour. So I

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Speaker 1: won't text you back she might be asleep. Then about

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Speaker 1: have us twelve in the morning, I heard a knock

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Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it, and I looked at

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Speaker 1: answer the door. And then it would have been a

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Speaker 1: couple of hours later. The knock was a knock that

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Speaker 1: I had to get up for this knock. And as

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Speaker 1: soon as I opened the door and I saw the police,

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Speaker 1: I know, I fell to the floor. I screamed. That

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Speaker 1: was the end of my world right at that moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you knew something was wrong even just before

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Speaker 2: you even answered the door.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a mom instinct. I think I had

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Speaker 1: to get up for that knock, not the other knock.

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Speaker 2: What was your first thought and feelings when you heard

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Speaker 2: what had actually happened.

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Speaker 1: I was livered. I was so angry that his stupid

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Speaker 1: have a race. They make tracks for racing, not streets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was really really pissed off. I was I can't

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Speaker 1: describe it. It's just, yeah, it was done. I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of other words for it, but I want

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Speaker 2: I mean, I bet that was a really confusing feeling

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Speaker 2: but feeling angry with her as well. Has that anger passed?

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Speaker 1: It's got better. I mean, doesn't matter how angry I

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Speaker 1: But I still get really angry when I see the

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Speaker 1: crep that goes on on the TV and I think, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope no one knocks on your parents' door. Well.

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Speaker 2: The four young men who killed Marie were the first

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Speaker 2: boy racer laws. At the time, though it was called

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Speaker 2: the Sentencing Vehicle Confiscation and men An Act. Yeah, tell

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Speaker 2: dealing with that, you're dealing with that trauma, but then

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Speaker 1: I would never want to do it again. Ever. It

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Speaker 1: was an emotional rollercoaster every day just being in court

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Speaker 2: You know. It's just.

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Speaker 1: I really did want to leap up and hit them,

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Speaker 1: have a talk and no, he was great. We sort

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Speaker 1: of knew what was going to be coming when we

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Speaker 1: and like how it happened, speed they were going. Just

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Speaker 1: looking at the state of the car, it was just horrible.

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, there's nothing you want to be doing at all.

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Speaker 2: Can you remember how you felt at the time. Were

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Speaker 2: you happy with their sentences? Nah? Nah?

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Speaker 1: They got off lightly, they really did. It wasn't enough.

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Speaker 1: And they're going to crush cars, you know, boy races cars.

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Speaker 1: They're going to crush them. And I don't see much

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Speaker 1: I just things need to be done, things need to change,

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Speaker 1: and if they're going to bring a Laura like that,

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Speaker 1: stick to it, don't you. Know, beat around the bush,

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Speaker 1: don't just sweep it under the mat. Something has to

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Speaker 2: Well. The fact of the matter is that this is

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: What does that bring up for you when you see

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Speaker 1: The same emotions back to day one, back to their

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Speaker 1: knock on the door. It's you relive it all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I haven't told my other daughters that were one

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Speaker 1: sitting next to me, But I haven't told my daughters.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel every time the siren goes off,

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Speaker 1: or if I know that they've gone in the car,

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Speaker 1: or like my twins, like getting into cars with people.

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Speaker 1: They've all had the mum word of all. I'm frightened,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I shouldn't have to feel that way,

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Speaker 1: but that is part of the reality of your child

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Speaker 3: It's the government's view that the current laws are not

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Speaker 3: adequate enough to deal with the harm that boy racers cause.

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Speaker 3: We want to toughen things up, really crack down and

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Speaker 3: make sure that the law sends a very clear message

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Speaker 3: that a legal street racing is not going to be

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Speaker 3: tolerated in our communities and sends it a terrant message

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Speaker 3: to say that boy races is enough. So we've decided

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Speaker 3: upon package of changes, the centerpiece of which is a

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Speaker 3: new presumption in all that the legal street racing, or

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Speaker 3: taking part in an intimidating plot point, or failing to

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Speaker 3: stop for police, or indeed failing to identify an offending

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Speaker 3: boy racer will result in the four foot infrastruction of

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Speaker 2: Last month, the government announced a few tougher penalties. So

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Speaker 2: that means that convicted fleeing drivers, boy racers and people

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Speaker 2: participating in intimidating convoys they call them, will have their

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Speaker 2: vehicles destroyed or forfeited. Do you think that goes far enough?

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Speaker 1: No, because I'll just go and pick up another shipbox

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Speaker 1: retreat and they'll use that. There's always going to be

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Speaker 1: them to jail. Why don't they get those people to

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Speaker 1: go and knock on the door and tell them, oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: Why don't they walk on the shoes of the parents.

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Speaker 1: I was getting fast and they think that they're invincible,

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Speaker 1: you know, And then the dumb people that stand there

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Speaker 1: and watch them. You know, it's an accident waiting to happen.

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Speaker 1: But something needs to be done. And honestly, I don't

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Speaker 1: think what kind of law brought in will change it,

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Speaker 1: because there's the kids will always find a way around it.

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Speaker 1: It's like anything, something needs to be done. But I

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Speaker 2: Do you think that if there was any more education,

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Speaker 2: or if the kids knew. I mean, because kids know, though,

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Speaker 2: don't they like it's just they just don't want to listen,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Marin Yo that night, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: she will. She wouldn't have wanted the outcome to be

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Speaker 1: the way it was. And I think in the moment,

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe they should go and visit people that

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Speaker 1: see what it's like. You know, does that person's lost

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Speaker 1: out in a lot of life?

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Speaker 2: Karen, if you could come face to face with one

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Speaker 2: of these kids, say in Levin, for example, who are

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Speaker 2: taking part in this mass boy racer meet up, driving dangerously,

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Speaker 2: disobeying police, acting tough. If you could set one of

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Speaker 2: them down, face to face, what would you say to them.

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Speaker 1: I'll show them the photo of Maurice's carfist photo of

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Speaker 1: then just tell them what happened, because being smart don't

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Speaker 1: save your life. Being a smart ass don't save your life. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would just probably tell them what I I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: but in harsher turns, my anger would probably come out

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Speaker 1: a lot more than it is on right now.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever think if that night didn't happen, where

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Speaker 1: Yep? Every day, I reckon she'd have her own Caslon Alex,

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Speaker 1: her sister, the other big sister. She reckons she'd be

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Speaker 1: a millionnaire by now, because she even though she acted them,

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Speaker 1: she was very, very smart, and she reckons she would

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Speaker 1: have been up there with the top. Yep, she would

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Speaker 1: have gone far. She would have got rid of that

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Speaker 1: stupid boyfriend that was in the other car. She had.

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Speaker 1: She haded life, make out, she knew what she wanted

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Speaker 1: to do. Yeap, she would have been great. We almost

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Speaker 1: having her around so much. She'd be able to hold

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Speaker 1: her nephews and kick your sister's asses when they need it,

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Speaker 1: you know, just things like that. But she would have

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Speaker 1: She would have gone far in her.

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Speaker 2: Life, even if it is what twelve years ago now,

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Speaker 2: I bet you could. I bet that not just feels

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Speaker 2: like yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Very knock every fire sign yep, I just go ah

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Speaker 1: ship here we go. I just yeah, I just it's

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Speaker 1: not it's not fun, you know, And these things are

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Speaker 1: embedded in me now. I never used to care, but

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Speaker 1: I do now. It's just the fear of maybe somebody

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Speaker 1: else that we know, hopefully not one of my family,

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Speaker 1: to anybody. It's just not it's not the nice knock.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else that you want to add?

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Speaker 1: I just want to grow up. Grow up, stop acting

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Speaker 1: like smart asses. Get your ship together. You know why

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Speaker 1: I spend all that money on shipbox cars? Why why

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Speaker 1: And for Christ's sake, don't kill anybody. Well, if you do,

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Speaker 2: It's just that I remember where I was looking looking

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Speaker 2: it's that time in your life when you just think

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Speaker 2: many things, and it just feels so far away, and

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Speaker 1: You don't. Time is precious. Time is precious. Don't waste

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Speaker 1: your time, not on a street race. It's not worth it.

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Speaker 1: But kids are so thick, not all of them, but

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Speaker 1: you're still going to get the muppets that will do

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Speaker 1: It ain't fun. So I really don't know what we

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Speaker 4: We really don't need people glorifying this sort of behavior,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to stamp it out with these laws.

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Speaker 5: Legislation introduced today means anyone posting or sharing violent or

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Speaker 5: illegal acts on social media could face up to two

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Speaker 4: I think we're seeing people do stupid things like this

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Speaker 2: I was looking up some laws over in Aussie because

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Speaker 1: That needs to be done over here then simple, simple.

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Speaker 1: A those people can go to jail too. I don't

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Speaker 1: So how can you work it? If she hadn't died,

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Speaker 1: Have they taken mummy's car out for a drive?

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Speaker 1: I just want something done, Like I said, I just

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Speaker 1: want respect from Marie. She needs respect. I don't want

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Speaker 1: there just getting away with.

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Speaker 2: It because so many lives have been lost, like young

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a waste. It's a real waste. But we'll

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Speaker 2: You know, what's one of your favorite memories?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, there's so many. Probably her making me pumpkin soup.

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Speaker 1: It was a good thing, all pretending. Like when I

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Speaker 1: She was always late every day, every day she was

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Speaker 1: One day, driving along and there was a corner coming

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Speaker 1: There's a dog, And we said, chat, there's a corner.

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Speaker 1: But what I missed the most about it is just

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