1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: It's coming up twenty away from six the Huddle with 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure like 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: no other, and on the huddle with me this evening 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: we've got clear Delare journalist and Ali Jones have read 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: pr Hello you too, Hello, Hi Claire? What do you reckon? 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Should the funding be pulled? 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: No? I don't think it should be pulled. I think 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: they should always be measured on results, and they should 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: be held accountable, and that includes Mike King. I think 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: he needs to be told to stan Is Lane fronting 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: it is good if alcohol somehow has helped him in 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: the past, that's very much at variance trouble. 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Jobble is this is his lane, isn't it. I mean 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: he's talking about his experience. He's talking about his personal experience. 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: But it is not the accepted wisdom. Most of the 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: recovering and recovered alcoholics I know say they have never 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: found an answer at the bottom of an emia wine bottle, 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: So I do think the clinical evidence is in. 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: It is a depressant. It doesn't help people long term low. 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: IS inhibitions, so you're actually more likely to do the 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: bad thing. 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Aren't absolutely have any of us ever made really wise 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: decisions at let's say, one in the morning with a. 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Skinful No, we have not, or even the next day 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: when you're feeling mildly depressed and anxious as a result 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: of it, or. 27 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: You have a terrible hangover and you make a bad 28 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: decision the next day, which god include driving while still 29 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: under you know, with the blood alcohol are still high. 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 3: Ali, what do you reckon? Oh, I got nothing really 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 3: to add to that. I think you're absolutely right, Claire. 32 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: I mean, my experience is at alcohol and depression doesn't mix. 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: You know. 34 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: I haven't heard the interview in its entirety, and so 35 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to sort of comment on that. And 36 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: I'm certainly not an expert on alcohol. You spoke to 37 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: Joe just before Heather, and he's that expert. But I 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: don't know anyone who has had mental health issues for 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: whom alcohol has helped. In fact, as we've heard and 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: as Claire said, it just makes things worse. Have you 41 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: heard about, you know, the depressive blues the day after 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: a binge. They are called that for a reason. So yeah, 43 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: I look, it's odd. I don't want to criticize Mike 44 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: King too much either. I mean, thank God for people 45 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: like him to be honest. But still I think it 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: was a bit of a faux pa, and I'm interested 47 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: that he's sort of doubling down on it. 48 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: I you know what, I think it is to his 49 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: character to double down on it. Ali, he's the kind 50 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: of guy who just kind of stands his ground and 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: can be a little belligerent. But what I'm fascinated by 52 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: is that Labour thinks it's a good idea to pull 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: the funding because of this. 54 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: Oh that's just politicking, though, Heather, isn't it amazing? That's 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: just nonsense. I think, you know, any political party that 56 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: knee jerks with a comment like that needs to kick 57 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: up the barm. I mean, it really is childish. So 58 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: I no, it's just politicking. 59 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: And I just wonder, actually, clear if Mike needs to 60 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: understand how political he is now because he took on 61 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: to remember, he took on Justin da Ardourn all the 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: way back and I think it was like twenty eighteen, 63 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and since then he's become a very very 64 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: political figure, and so he needs to keep his nose 65 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: really clean. 66 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: Well that's what I mean by he needs to stay 67 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: in his lane. He needs to know his brief. He 68 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: needs to know the messaging which is really appropriate for him. 69 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, a gross and that he is actually. 70 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: Jeopardizing the reputation of the organization if he goes beyond 71 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: areas of his expertise or he's I don't know him. 72 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: He's presumably a good guy and he's got, you know, 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: his heart in the right place, and he has had 74 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: lived experience of all sorts of problems. He's doing good 75 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: with this foundation, but he doesn't want to jeopardize it, 76 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: especially as he had the privilege of getting a sort 77 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: of fast tracking of funding. 78 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Hey, Ali, do you think that a New 79 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Zealand needs a market study into its virtual monopoly? 80 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: I think it can help, but I you know, I 81 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: think that about the insurance sector as well, as I've 82 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: said on your show before. But look, the only thing 83 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: that I do have mixed feelings on with regards to 84 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: this is that we're a small country, right, We've got 85 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: a small population, and I just I'm wary of this 86 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: comparison with quantus. You know, as far as the increases 87 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: go around quantity in New Zealand's pricing, that is not 88 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: comparing apples with apples. I think if demand is high, 89 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: businesses should be able to apply the old supply and 90 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: demand theory and you make more money and put the 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: prices up because people will pay it when supply is low. 92 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: But the issue is the degree of inflating those prices. 93 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 3: So if the price is unreasonable, then that needs to stop, 94 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: because we've all heard the word extortionate, right, and that's 95 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: when it becomes extortionate. But what is reasonable and what 96 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: is unreasonable? And I think that's for the ComCom to decide. 97 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to get your take on it. Clear 98 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: when we come back from the break the Huddle. 99 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing of 100 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: your home back with the. 101 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: Huddle clear to Law and alle Jones. So clear, what 102 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: do you reckon? Is it worth putting the money into 103 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: a market study to find out what are in New 104 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: Zealand's doing well? 105 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: Probably not, because as far as one can tell from 106 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: the outside, they're not doing anything illegal. They may well 107 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: be doing things that most people find unaffordable. Their power 108 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: is the ComCom is where people are breaching regulations or 109 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: the law or whatever and calling them to account. You know, 110 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: maybe the naming and shaming side of that. But you 111 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 2: know that doesn't seem to when people complain anywhere about 112 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: the prices, it doesn't necessarily move the dial. Then there'll 113 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: be a flash sale for example, and if you open 114 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: your email, like you know, a day late, your massut 115 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: so you'll be really hacked off with them on top 116 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: of everything else. So sometimes I think they're marketing maybe 117 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: needs to be a little bit more, you know, a 118 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: little bit more attuned to people's habits. No, I don't 119 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: think it would make a difference. I mean, our supermarket's 120 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: marketly cheaper. 121 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: Because of the market study name market study clear that 122 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: has actually resulted in a lower price for you. 123 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: Well, I can't, and I don't think it's changed the 124 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 2: bank's behaviors, and you know we do want profitable banks 125 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: and supermarkets and the like. All the studies in the 126 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: world haven't made much of a difference to where you 127 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 2: feel you have by way of power as a consumer. 128 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: But I think that's more clear to do perhaps with 129 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: the terms of reference and what the study was essentially 130 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: supposed to, you know, result in, because it's certainly the 131 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 3: studies of the price of fuel when Megan Woods was 132 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: in though there was absolutely nothing in those that gave 133 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: anyone any power to actually do anything. And I see 134 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: that Anthony Albanezi is actually outlawing this demand pricing, this 135 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: dynamic pricing model that Air New Zealand uses is being 136 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: outlawed in Australia. Now, you know, the government can actually 137 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: do something to regulate the sector, but I think they 138 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: have to have the information in order to be able 139 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: to do that. So I don't see a market review 140 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: as being a total waste of time. But I think 141 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 3: the terms of reference have got to be right. 142 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: Yes, when it results in action. 143 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: Sorry, Claire, I was going to say, this government has 144 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: actually set up a whole new department to deregulate and 145 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: unregulate us. 146 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 147 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: I can't see them climbing into regulation without really strong cause. 148 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 149 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Hey. Do you know what, Ali people have got themselves 150 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: quite worked up today about the fighting and scuffling that 151 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: was breaking out at the Travis Scott concert. Did you 152 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: see any of that video? 153 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: No? 154 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: I didn't, And if someone had said Travis Scott to 155 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: me yesterday, said I am such I really am not 156 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: great with some of some of the people around the 157 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: music these days. However, I read too that there were 158 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: no complaints from residents. Apparently there were no arrests. 159 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Apparently, so Helen must have absolutely been self disciplined last night, 160 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: because that would have absolutely ripped a nickause it was 161 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: so loud. 162 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: I think they were twenty eight complaints. Well on your 163 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: very own network or somewhere right. 164 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, you're the journalists. 165 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: Well I stand corrected. 166 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: Then, well, there were some ali and I cannot tell 167 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: you the source from which I. 168 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: Just wonder how loud you'd have to make the concert 169 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: program to drown out Travis Scott right next door. You 170 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Did you enjoy it, Heather? No, 171 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: not in the slightest I mean no, Actually that's not 172 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: that's not that's not fair. I enjoyed realizing my age 173 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: while standing there and watching and going, I can't understand 174 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: why this is music and this is this is bizarre. 175 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: Well, it also seemed to me. I mean I saw 176 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: some children today aged twelve and thirteen, who went with 177 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: their mum, who's about forty one, and they all seem 178 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 2: to have a good time. However, fifteen to twenty minutes 179 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: for DJ and one hour of a guy on stage, 180 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: do you compare that to Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney. When 181 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: they came, who had no backup? When bang song song song? 182 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: You know, they just rolled in for three hours. Yes, 183 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: it's I think it was. 184 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, I mean what I'm going to say this, Claire. 185 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Musicians these days are lazy, aren't they? Not like they 186 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: were an ourday, Not like they were in our day. 187 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: They come, they do a three hour set with guitars 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: and drums and actual music. And this guy makes people 189 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: wait for four hours and he comes out, he dances by. 190 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: And change the date and inconvenienced a lot of his fans. 191 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: You think you would really double down on putting on 192 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: a top show. So you know, I mean nothing much 193 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: excuses if people were having genuine punch ups, but if 194 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: they were sort of bored and kind. 195 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: Of fair enough. Yeah, you do you? Alie? Have you 196 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: listened to any Travis Scott? 197 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: Oh? I haven't clear. 198 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: I feel it. Look I did today with the kids 199 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: in the car. I said, I said, can you please 200 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: play me a video of the concert, and then we 201 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: put it on the Apple play and thoughts and I well, 202 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: not my thing, but kids loved it. 203 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 204 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: Did they? 205 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Could they see a tune in that music? 206 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 2: Cod they they seem too, and they yeah, all right, didn't. 207 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: You Jacky, Yeah, Jack did. At least one of us 208 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: listened to the Travis Scott music before I'm talking about it, 209 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: and I didn't. Guys, it was lovely to talk to 210 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: the pair of you. 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