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Speaker 3: another week of Rugby Direct. I'm in Capean Liam joins

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Speaker 3: me as all ways to review the first Test for

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks at Alice Park, or first Test against

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Speaker 3: South Africa. Third in the Rugby Championship overall and thirty

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Speaker 3: one to twenty seven defeat to South Africa. Plenty to

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Speaker 3: get stuck into Liam, but I figure of him as well.

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Speaker 3: Start just with the top line reaction to the game. Now,

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Speaker 3: you've had a couple of days to let it settle

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks. From my point of view, obviously let

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Speaker 3: one slip. How did you react to it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, Elliott, so you're enjoying all the treats that

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Speaker 4: South Africa.

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Speaker 5: Has to offer.

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Speaker 4: Look, Bill Blackx blew it didn't They They started supremely well,

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Speaker 4: came out of the blocks, bought South Africa under a

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Speaker 4: lot of pressure for a good sixty minutes. I thought

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Speaker 4: the full pack fronted well. Later platform the attack and

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Speaker 5: Exit looked good.

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Speaker 4: They used the ball, they broke down the South African defense,

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Speaker 4: got to their edges, created two nice tries for Caleb Clark.

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Speaker 4: They did so many things right until they were that good,

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Speaker 4: until they weren't. And it was that last twenty minutes

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Speaker 4: where when the blow torch came on, when it really mattered,

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Speaker 4: they went away from what was working. They kicked too much,

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Speaker 4: focus now on the lack of impact from the bench.

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Speaker 4: So they had that match in the palm of their hand.

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Speaker 4: They probably should have been up by a lot more

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Speaker 4: and then they really wilted under the pressure from the box.

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Speaker 4: And before you give me your reaction, I just want

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Speaker 4: you to also paint the scene because there's not many

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Speaker 4: people in New Zealand who would have experienced a Test

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Speaker 4: What's it like, the atmosphere, the intensity of it, all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite incredible. It's one of those stadiums that

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Speaker 3: Their Beat and Gold Sport. It was so loud on

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Speaker 3: as I recall this Test match. It was loud from

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Speaker 3: It felt like it was a few storylines just to

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Speaker 4: No, it's a fantastic atmosphere, Isn't nothing and World Rugby

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Speaker 4: They silenced the crowd, They started so well, and they

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Speaker 5: They went into their shell.

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Speaker 4: They tried to protect the lead and that allowed that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. Look, if we go back to

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Speaker 3: That the kicking just didn't seem to stick in the

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Speaker 3: Now that was a problem right throughout the game, but

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Speaker 3: Is that we've viewed as a starter's game. We've won

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Speaker 3: win test matches. Now, they All Blacks simply don't have

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Speaker 4: You know, expected to try and close out a test

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Speaker 4: Potentially you could push him to the bench and look

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Speaker 5: Be missed, No, they shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Subjected to you know, judgment through selection, and there's repercussions

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Speaker 3: Well, we can guarantee that we know accountability from World

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Speaker 3: I think it's a selling point to get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: What I would like to see Liam, honestly is sort

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Speaker 4: Put your best referees in charge of the big tests.

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Speaker 4: That's not rocket science, is it. So I think I'm

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Speaker 4: If you want to, I want to get slapped around

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Speaker 3: comes to a head. Believe anything else you want to

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Speaker 3: react with a bit more in the final four, but

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Speaker 3: anything else that stands out from that game on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: As we build into the second test, your black's talking

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Speaker 3: about a big opportunity to go and do what they

436
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Speaker 3: couldn't on the weekend. But you know they're going to

437
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Speaker 3: have to lift a level, both in the first sixty

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Speaker 3: minutes but especially in that last twenty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a couple of points. It's an old

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Speaker 4: saying is that don't throw the baby out with the bath.

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Speaker 4: Order of the all Blacks were very good for sixty minutes,

442
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Speaker 4: and a couple of individuals in particular, I thought to

443
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Speaker 4: Povi took another step up this year. He's had a

444
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Speaker 4: lot of responsibility in the wake of you know, Sam

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Speaker 4: Whitelocke and Brady Metallic moving on injuries to Scott Barrett

446
00:24:10,133 --> 00:24:11,973
Speaker 4: who came back at the weekend, and I thought he

447
00:24:12,213 --> 00:24:16,613
Speaker 4: was exceptional again. A couple of breakdown penalties, he was

448
00:24:16,613 --> 00:24:21,013
Speaker 4: a strong presence at the lineouts and Cody Taylor's best

449
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:26,933
Speaker 4: tests for a long time, ball carrying lineouts very influential there.

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Speaker 4: So Jordi Barrett again had been very quiet this year.

451
00:24:31,933 --> 00:24:35,933
Speaker 4: I thought he came to life strong, defensively, got that intercept.

452
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Speaker 4: So look, there's so many Caleb Clark really nailed his

453
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Speaker 4: chance on the left wing, great in the air, great finishing.

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Speaker 4: So there's so many good things for the All Blacks

455
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Speaker 4: to take away from that test. And that was the frustration,

456
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Speaker 4: wasn't it that they did so many things well and

457
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Speaker 4: then they ruined it, that they really did blow it.

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Speaker 4: They let it slip, They went away from what was working.

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Speaker 4: So if they can just hold that blueprints, find a

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Speaker 4: bit more composure and as we discussed, you know, work

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Speaker 4: on the element of the bench, which I'm not too

462
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Speaker 4: sure they are actually going to be to in the

463
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Speaker 4: space of a week. They should be confident because they

464
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Speaker 4: really went toe to toe with the world champions at

465
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Speaker 4: their spiritual home and had them on the rack.

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Speaker 5: I need to let it slop.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, right, let's take a break here and Rugby Direct

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Speaker 3: come back with the second half. A podcast after this.

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Speaker 2: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 2: Rugby Direct Howard Babies Talk.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into the final four here on Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 3: Let's change tech like Team New Zealand have been in

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Speaker 3: buffal on it. Let's go to Australia and Argentina. Firstly,

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Speaker 3: I'm in the final four. Look a good win for Australia.

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Speaker 3: These are the kind of confidence boosting wins that Joe

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Speaker 3: Schmidt will be I'm not sure if he's a fist pumper,

477
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Speaker 3: but he'll be delighted about to get one of these

478
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Speaker 3: in early on in his tenure. And and Beata, who

479
00:26:08,933 --> 00:26:11,213
Speaker 3: are a very good team and tough team to beat

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Speaker 3: at home.

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Speaker 4: I think where the All Blacks blew it, Australia came

482
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Speaker 4: up clutch, didn't they in a massive win in the

483
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Speaker 4: context of a side that's very much rebuilding. I saw

484
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Speaker 4: a stats that the Wallabies have had fifteen Test debuts

485
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Speaker 4: this year, which is the most in the Pro Era.

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Speaker 4: So Joe has had a bit of time and space

487
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Speaker 4: to rebuild this team after the disaster of their World

488
00:26:36,893 --> 00:26:39,893
Speaker 4: Cup and this was desperately needed. It didn't matter how

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00:26:39,973 --> 00:26:44,453
Speaker 4: it came or in what fashion, but torrential rain.

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Speaker 5: In Laplutter.

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Speaker 4: I think it was Argentina controlled led for much of

492
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Speaker 4: that game and the Wallabies came home late to sneak it.

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Speaker 4: So a huge confidence boosting win for the Wallabies and

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Speaker 4: I think Harry Wilson captains that team another captain. It

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Speaker 4: seems to be on a bit of a rotational basis

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Speaker 4: for the Wallabies, but just so needed, wasn't it in

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Speaker 4: the context of where the Wallabies are at.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, it was so good news for Harry Wilson one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent recorders Wallaby's captain and look as were touched

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Speaker 3: on tricky plays to play. They have to do it

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Speaker 3: again this week and that's the test for jud Schmidt

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Speaker 3: as Wellaby side, is to keep building it up. I

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00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:32,293
Speaker 3: thought there were some positive science because I thought, you know,

504
00:27:32,413 --> 00:27:36,253
Speaker 3: tendel down that could go horribly wrung for them, but

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Speaker 3: instead they've ended up with a confidence boosting. When topic

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Speaker 3: two we touched on us a little bit. First up,

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Speaker 3: where should the All Blacks make changes? If we leave

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Speaker 3: beside the bench for a start, can you see any

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Speaker 3: changes to the run on team.

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Speaker 4: The only one potentially would be Golden Populi coming back

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Speaker 4: into the starting sides, and it was not through anything

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Speaker 4: any fault of Sam Kane. I thought he was good,

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Speaker 4: very strong defensively, as he always is. But if you're

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Speaker 4: just looking at their makeup of that bench and the

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Speaker 4: need to bring on some experience, potentially you could bring

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Speaker 4: Dalton into start, inject some fresh legs. Sam might be

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Speaker 4: a bit fatigued, and then he could come on later

518
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Speaker 4: in the piece. Other than that, it's hard to see

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Speaker 4: too many shifts. I think the front row will remain intact,

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Speaker 4: same with the locks. The All Blacks are very happy

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Speaker 4: with the way Ethan Blackhead is going at six. We've

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Speaker 4: spoken about the need for more ball carrying punch, but

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Speaker 4: I don't see them making any dramatic shifts there, and

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Speaker 4: the same throughout the back line. There's a discussion to

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Speaker 4: be had about first five fallback, as there is every week,

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Speaker 4: but I just can't see the making many major changes now.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you there. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 3: rivingly straightforward. Maybe a tweak to the bench here and there,

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Speaker 3: but I think that's an old adage and similar to

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Speaker 3: what they did coming out of Argentina and Wellington into Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Trust those players to get it right second time around.

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Speaker 3: Topic three now the South African Rugby to New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Rugby with the hukker being drowned out by the pyrotechnics

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00:29:14,413 --> 00:29:17,613
Speaker 3: and music, I look seems like a very legitimate apology

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00:29:17,733 --> 00:29:20,413
Speaker 3: and human error and these those things I can vouch.

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Speaker 3: The fact it was incredibly loud there on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like the operator I thought the hucker had

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Speaker 3: finished because of the crowd cheering, but I think it

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Speaker 3: was because the plane was roaring in on the A

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Speaker 3: three eighty. So it just sounds like a bit of

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00:29:31,213 --> 00:29:34,013
Speaker 3: a mess all around. But from my mind, I think

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Speaker 3: doesn't need to be made any more of it. They've

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Speaker 3: apologized and let's move on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a bit of a non event for me, Elliott.

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Speaker 4: I think the hucker is and should be more about

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Speaker 4: who's performing it than anyone else. I understands the custom

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Speaker 4: and the culture around it and their respect. I don't

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Speaker 4: think there was anything meant by I think it was

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Speaker 4: a genuine timing issue with the plane flying over pre

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Speaker 4: kickoff and like you say that the person at the

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Speaker 4: ground controlling the music don't play the music when the

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Speaker 4: hawk is on. That is disrespectful, but a bit of

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Speaker 4: a non event move on didn't have any bearing on

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Speaker 4: the match.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, and I've tried to put this final topic in

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Speaker 3: the final four off for as long as it possibly can.

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Speaker 5: Here we go to discuss.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, my Canterbury side lost to Wellington on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Now I didn't see it as scaric of it, so

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Speaker 3: I was at wrong end of the day for me.

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Speaker 3: I think it was about one am or something in

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Speaker 3: the morning, so unfortunately didn't see it. But judging by

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Speaker 3: the score line, I didn't miss much. And of course

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Speaker 3: Land we had a bet on the line for this

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Speaker 3: Canterbury match against Suwall Wellington, your beloved.

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Speaker 5: Lions, we do.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you that the Lions roared Elliott's They're

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Speaker 4: up thirty one hour at halftime and then good you know,

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Speaker 4: we felt quite bad for the Red and Blacks and

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Speaker 4: wrung you were I think it was, and to let

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Speaker 4: them back in to make the score but a little

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Speaker 4: bit more respectable. But what I can tell you, my friend,

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Speaker 4: is when you arrive home, I'll give you, you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe a day or so to shake off the jet leg.

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Speaker 4: And then Wellington Rugby have actually been kind enough to

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Speaker 4: send that they're going to send us a jersey for

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Speaker 4: you to to dom. I've organized that, I've gone out

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Speaker 4: of my way. They've come to the party. I'm very

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Speaker 4: happy to tell you that Rugby direct listeners. It's actually

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Speaker 4: assigned jersey from this year's squad. So you're you're held

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Speaker 4: in higher esteem. And Wellington, I can tell you, and

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Speaker 4: they were very obliging, so is a real I know

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Speaker 4: they a little bit of a come down coming home

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Speaker 4: from from South Africa, but you'll have that to look

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Speaker 4: forward too.

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Speaker 5: So maybe I can play the team song you know,

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Speaker 5: well who well who ah well who well who? You know?

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Speaker 4: Just really set some ambience for you when you come home.

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Speaker 4: That's just something to look forward to. Maybe I could

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Speaker 4: even lay it on your pillow just to really set

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Speaker 4: the scene.

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Speaker 3: It would be special. That would be special. I look

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Speaker 3: forward to wearing that in the office. I'm sure we

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Speaker 3: can get a picture for our beloved Rugby direct listeners.

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Speaker 3: You've done exceptionally well. Wellington Rugby is an exceptionally well

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Speaker 3: to arrange that, so well done you on that front.

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Speaker 3: I wish I could say I look forward to dotting it,

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Speaker 3: but I don't, but thank you nonetheless. And look the

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Speaker 3: other thing I was just want to ad before we

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Speaker 3: wrap up Auckland again windless in the NPC. On another notement, Failey,

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Speaker 3: this powerhouse province really battling early on in the NPC,

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Speaker 3: and they've played some big teams as well, so things

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Speaker 3: are not going their way.

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Speaker 5: They're not.

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Speaker 4: It's Auckland's worst run in an NPC history officially now

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Speaker 4: I think it's zero to five going back to last

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Speaker 4: year because they lost last year semi and they have

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Speaker 4: North Harbor this week Battle of the Bridge traditional fixture

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Speaker 4: and North Harbor are a very decent team. Auckland's making

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Speaker 4: a number of mistakes making life hard for themselves. They've lost,

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Speaker 4: you know, a number of first fives. I've got a

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Speaker 4: guy who played in New Zealand schools last year, but

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Speaker 4: no excuses. It's a powerhouse province with a lot of

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Speaker 4: debt and they are in a serious hole. So some

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Speaker 4: massive work ahead of them to dig themselves out of that.

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Speaker 3: There is plenty of work for them to do, that

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Speaker 3: is for sure. Liam. Thank you as always for jumping

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Speaker 3: on and drug by Director. We'll be back at some

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Speaker 3: point next week once I navigate, you know, a million

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Speaker 3: hours around the globe to get back home, and look

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Speaker 3: forward to to jumping on then and discussing the latest

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Speaker 3: in the world of rugby. And we'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 3: We'll catch you back home and I look forward to

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Speaker 3: that Wellington Juwsey being on my pilot.

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Speaker 4: It will well enjoy Table Mountain, Camps Bay and everything

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Speaker 4: that the great city of Cape Town has to offer

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Speaker 4: and it should be a brilliant another brilliant rematch this week.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, Jamie wall is trying to get me on the

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Speaker 3: clippies and coke. Google it if you don't know what

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Speaker 3: that is, but it sounds like a hell of a dream.

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