1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Gielda. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Remember remember 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: the fifth of November. It's guy Fawkes, which means a 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: sleepless night for some of our furry friends. For more 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: than four hundred years, the English Catholic's failure to blow 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: up the Houses of Parliament in London has been celebrated, 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: But at what cost? Every year we're warned by the 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: likes of SPCA that what is an exciting night for 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: us is a terrifying night for animals. Not to mention 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: fire and Emergency and Z is continuously urging people to 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: think about the risk of fireworks before buying them, and 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: on average ACC accepts around three hundred new claims every 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: year for fireworks related in and data shows that children 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: under the age of ten make up around a quarter 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: of them. Each time it rolls around, though, the question 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: is asked, should fireworks be banned? And why on Earth 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: does New Zealand even celebrate it in the first place. 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Today on the Front Page, Animates CEO Neil Cowie is 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: with us to explain why tonight is such a scary 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: experience for animals big and small. But first we speak 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: to AA Insurance underwriting manager Nancy Maloney on the continued 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 2: calls to roll back on the fireworks. First off, Nancy, 24 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: it's Guy Fawkes. Of course, AA has done a survey. 25 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: How do kiwis really feel about fireworks? 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: Well, look, we do the survey every year and the 27 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: results this year are showing a similar trend to what 28 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: we've seen previously, with all almost three quarters of kiwis 29 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: expressing that fireworks should be banned for recreational or at 30 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: card use. At least. 31 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: We're crazy about them. They're crazy about who's live. We're 32 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: just making them on. 33 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: People should be entitled to use whatever they want, when 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: they want it, within safe means. 35 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: Public displays would be would be better for the younger ones. 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: It's a minority, not the majority that is spawning it 37 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: for everyone else. 38 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: Every one that I know of is responsible, and most 39 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: keys are very responsible with fireworks. 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: What are some of the reasons why they want to 41 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: see fireworks band all of. 42 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: The variety of reasons. The top three were scaring animals 43 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: and you might have seen a few releases last week 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: actually coming out around the impact on animals this time 45 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: of year. Second top reason was irresponsible use and food 46 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: was the risk of fire damage, which you know, being 47 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: in the insurance business is something we're really across. 48 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've seen a stat since twenty nineteen, we've 49 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: seen six hundred and seventy six fires caused by fireworks, 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: five hundred and thirteen of which were vegetation fires. When 51 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: it comes to insurance, how much does aapay out on 52 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: average when it comes to these fire claims. 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: Look, there's not always a link that we observed between 54 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: increase home fire claims and fireworks season, but it's not 55 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: auto wow, how easily things can catch on fire. In 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: terms of fire claims costs, we've seen a twenty percent 57 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: increase in large fire claims and we've paid out over 58 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: twelve million dollars to date this year. 59 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: And it's getting drier as well. Hey, coming from Australia 60 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: ten years ago, I thought it was absolutely bonkers that 61 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: fireworks were being sold for recreational use, and of course 62 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: must be buyers because I'm just thinking of things catching 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: on fire. Is that something that you are seeing through 64 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: these survey results as well? 65 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: Definitely we're seeing. So when we broke down the overall 66 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: results of the survey, so fifty four percent supported backyard 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: ban or recreational use, but an additional seventeen percent wanted 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: to go further and have them banned entirely. That was 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: particularly high among homeowners, those age fifty plus and those 70 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: who identify as female as well. I think it's important 71 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: to acknowledge that twenty five percent still had no issues. 72 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: And we're not here to be the fun police. We're 73 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 3: not here to rain on anyone's parade. But what we 74 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: want to do is really educate and ask keyis to 75 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: just you know, if you are setting them off in 76 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: your backyard, do so responsibly. 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Nancy. 78 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: Another year and more calls to ban the sale of 79 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: fireworks in New Zealand. A petition is underway which will 80 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: be presented to the House of Representatives and in a 81 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: world first, pets can too sign with a poor print. 82 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: CEO of Animates, Neil Cowy is with us to speak 83 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: on behalf of the animals as to why it could 84 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: be time to ten this fiery tradition. 85 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: First off, Neil, tell me about this petition. 86 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 5: The poor prom petition. So yes, so fireworks at this 87 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 5: time of the year. We know causes distress, extreme distress 88 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 5: to pits. I guess, while afe across New Zealand and 89 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 5: we believe it animates that it's time to ban the 90 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 5: sale the private style of fireworks and safeguards animal. 91 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: Healthy Why do you think I'll go on? 92 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 5: And it's not only about the fifth of November. It's 93 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: the bigger issue is the stockpiling of fireworks, but it 94 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 5: gets set off throughout the which really compounds the stress 95 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 5: the dangered animals. And I guess it's when you least expected. 96 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 5: I guess that fireworks. As a pet parent or a 97 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 5: pet owner, I can take steps to safeguard my pets 98 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 5: and I can look after them, and I knock them 99 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 5: in fire between you least expected down the track when 100 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 5: there are real dangers and stress. Litter animals come to 101 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 5: the foe, in some cases not even at home when 102 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 5: it happens. 103 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: Bookland councils pushing for a ban on private youth. 104 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 6: The reason people give for wanting the barn as purely 105 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 6: safety people, animals, pets and wildlife get injured. There isn't 106 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 6: a da. It's not the fifth of November. We sell 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 6: fireworks for four days, people stop pail them. 108 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: They have become something that gets stored up in people's 109 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: homes and used at other times, and that's a concern 110 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: to fire an emergency. 111 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: Why do you reckon? Now is the time? 112 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: Because it feels like every year we talk about this 113 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: banning fireworks. 114 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 5: I don't know, I really don't know. I mean, in 115 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, three quarters of kiwis were in favor 116 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 5: of banning fireworks. So I guess at the end of 117 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: the day, it's ultimately the government that needs to make 118 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 5: that decision. But there is definitely a movement to ban fireworks. 119 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 5: What we're trying to do is we trying to We're 120 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 5: trying to give the animals a voice, which is the 121 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 5: uniqueness about our campaign called the Poor prim petition, So 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: I hopefully they can have a voice as well. And 123 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 5: since we're going really. 124 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: Well, the sale of fireworks is meant to be restricted 125 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: to just four days a year, from Saturday, November two 126 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: to Tuesday, November fifth, or today. I don't know about you, 127 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: but I hear fireworks going off. I heard them going 128 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: off before Saturday or November two. 129 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty disappointing. 130 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: Hey, when people stockpile them or if they're going off 131 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: before they're legally being able. 132 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: To be sold. 133 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: They've either stockpiled them and they're expired, or they've gotten 134 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: them from someone where they shouldn't have. What do you 135 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: reckon that says about how many people actually let them 136 00:07:59,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: off responsibly. 137 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: I really can't comment, but I would think many users 138 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 5: are responsible. But it's exactly that point that you're making 139 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 5: around stock party that is, in our view, are a 140 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 5: really big issue. It really compounds the stress and the 141 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 5: danger to animals. And like I said, if you knew 142 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: they were happening or the public display, you can safeguard 143 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 5: your patent's after them. That's when you least expect it. 144 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: So I mean, I really feel for the wildlife, the birds, 145 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 5: even our livestock horses for instance, if you don't have 146 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: the ability to look after your horse and put them 147 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 5: in a stable, the consequences can be quite catastrophic. 148 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: Actually yeah, And every year vets are just inundated with 149 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: animals who have hurt themselves due to being that scared 150 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: by fireworks. 151 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 5: Hey, yes, we are vatine. Actually they feel calls before 152 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 5: because people are genuinely anxious in terms of getting advice, 153 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: but it's the post trauma that is an issue. So 154 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 5: we do see it in our clinics around as well. 155 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: These days Guy Fawkes is less about the past and 156 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: almost entirely about the big bangs. 157 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: And for the spcaight it's their busiest nights of the year. 158 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: Certainly around this time of year, and are certainly approaching 159 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 4: Guy Fawkes as well as the time shortly afterwards seeing 160 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: will experience a quite a significant rise and calls to 161 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: our an a more reporting line, specifically in relation to 162 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 4: lost animals. We find a lot of dogs go missing 163 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 4: over that period, either Guy Fawke's night or the day after. 164 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 4: Really it's about comforting them, keeping them safe, putting in 165 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: an environment where they're going to be looked after and 166 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: not likely to injure themselves or run away. Really, we've 167 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: had horses that have run into fences and head injuries 168 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: that way. We've had stock that have broken through fences 169 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: that they wouldn't normally do and onto railway tracks and 170 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: being collected by trains, or we find animals and positions 171 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 4: where they obviously wouldn't have got too unless they're very 172 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 4: scared at the time. 173 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, seventy four point four percent of people 174 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: noticed their animals just explaying fear of fireworks. What are 175 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: some of the behavior's pet owners noticed. 176 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 5: Well, the only first thing you do is your pet 177 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 5: is going to be startled or anxious, right, so they're 178 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 5: going to hide. They're going to hide under a bed, 179 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 5: or they're going to find somewhere where they can get away. 180 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 5: They might cower, they might shiver. In a worst case, 181 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 5: they might actually bolt and run. And they with their 182 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 5: incidences where cat they have got out of the home 183 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 5: and they've been missing for days whilst they tried to 184 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 5: find a safe haven for one of the metword to 185 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 5: look after themselves. So that's the worst case. Know and 186 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 5: and you know horses as well, they tend to bolt 187 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: when they get when they get distressed or they get frightened. 188 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: Tell me a. 189 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: Little bit more about this petition. It's not only humans 190 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: that are able to sign it. 191 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 5: Hey, No, that's that's the unique thing about this petition, 192 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 5: a Chelsea, It's we call it the poor print petition. 193 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 5: So you have the ability for your pet to have 194 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 5: a voice as well. So what you can do is 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 5: you can scan your dog or your cat's poor print 196 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 5: and you can upload that to the website as well, 197 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 5: and their poor print will be registered. We're using some 198 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 5: pretty cool AI technology in terms of identifying the details 199 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 5: like the species, a fur color, and the poor print, 200 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 5: which then optimizes that the representation. We then turn it 201 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 5: into a black and white graphic which symbolizes the pet themselves. 202 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 5: It's quite unique. It's almost like a thumbprint or a fingerprint. 203 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: If I can get a hold of my cap Mow 204 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: for long enough to be able to do that, I'm 205 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: sure he'll have a word with me and he'll tell 206 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: me that he wants to do it. How many people 207 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: and animals have signed the position so far? 208 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 5: As of a little while ago, we've got forty five 209 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 5: thousand human signatures and we've got forty two thousand pet signatures, 210 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 5: So it's certainly getting some momentum, and that's a lot 211 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 5: of people. We're very, very very excited about the number, 212 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 5: and we think that's going to go up, particularly over 213 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 5: the next week or two. 214 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: And I mean I mentioned this before, but we do 215 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: know how fireworks negatively affect our pets. Why in the 216 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: world do you think we still do it, Chelsea? 217 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 5: I just don't know. If you think about around the 218 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: world many places about fireworks Australia, you haven't had fireworks 219 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 5: in most of these states for for years, for decades, 220 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 5: I think, so it's just a thing crazy that we 221 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 5: do still have this this sort of firework display. As 222 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 5: just that it's been reduced to three or four days 223 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 5: with the selling stockpiling, that's the issue. So both are 224 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 5: going to be selling for one or two days. People 225 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 5: are still in the stock quite right, and and you know, 226 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 5: I just don't understand why we still we've got it 227 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 5: given the consequences on animals. 228 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Neil. That said, for this episode 229 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 2: of the Front Page. You can read more about today's 230 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: stories and extensive news coverage at NSIDHERLD dot co dot nz. 231 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: The Front Page is produced by Ethan Seals. Richard Martin 232 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: and Dan Goodwin are the sound engineers. 233 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to The Front 234 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and 235 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.