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Speaker 2: More in a New Zealer good morning, Brad Pitt is back.

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Speaker 2: George Clooney is back and sticking with the theme I'm

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Speaker 2: jack Tame with you through the midday today. Yeah, Cloney

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Speaker 2: and Pitt are back in the most irritatingly named film ever.

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Speaker 2: It's called Wolf's, so not Wolves, it's called Wolf's. There's

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Speaker 2: noostrophy in there either, So anyway, we're going to explain

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Speaker 2: to you why it's called Wolfson, tell you a bit

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Speaker 2: about that film before ten o'clock this morning, our feature interview.

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Speaker 2: After ten, Finn Andrews from kiw Rock Legends The Veils

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us. He's living overseas these days.

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Speaker 2: They all are based in the UK, but they are

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Speaker 2: heading home to perform at womad to looking forward to

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Speaker 2: that and of course we will be counting down to

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks versus the Wallabies and what is a

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Speaker 2: massive weekend for Wellington. We've got world of wearable Arts

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Speaker 2: and the Bleeders low this evening, So it's going to

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Speaker 2: be huge in the Capitol right now. Eight past nine,

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Speaker 2: Jack Team. So my take on working from home versus

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Speaker 2: working in the office is you can't really say that

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Speaker 2: any one model is perfect for everyone in every business

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Speaker 2: or workplace and every sector or industry. You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, There's no one size fits all. There are

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Speaker 2: workplaces where working from home might be better than working

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Speaker 2: from the office, and there are workplaces where the traditional

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Speaker 2: model holds true, and there are also workplaces that will

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Speaker 2: find themselves somewhere in between. I work six days a week,

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Speaker 2: right and typically I do five in the office and

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Speaker 2: one at home. And the thing about newsrooms is that

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Speaker 2: newsrooms are noisy and distracting and slightly chaotic, open plan environments. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: that's why I love them. But in my job, I

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Speaker 2: have a lot to read, and I have a lot

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Speaker 2: of detail that I really need to understand and process,

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Speaker 2: and so once a week it is just so good

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Speaker 2: to escape the office and too bearing myself in detail

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Speaker 2: And look, maybe maybe I'm giving the whole productivity argument

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Speaker 2: too much credit here. If the primary reason to get

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Speaker 2: public servants to go back into the office in person

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Speaker 2: is actually just to prop up Wellington businesses, then yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty lousy reason. But I actually think the

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Speaker 2: reaction to the government's directive this week was honestly a

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Speaker 2: bit overblown. They didn't say that all public servants have

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Speaker 2: to work from the office every single day. They just

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Speaker 2: said that working from home was not an automatic entitlement

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Speaker 2: and that arrangements would have to be agreed between employers

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Speaker 2: and employees. So working from home arrangements should only be

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Speaker 2: agreed when they don't impact agency objectives and productivity. Am

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Speaker 2: I missing something? I mean, that seems pretty reasonable to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't see anything about mandating. My read, at least

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Speaker 2: is that it still allows for flexibility so long as

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Speaker 2: the flexibility doesn't compromise the quality of an employee or

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Speaker 2: an agency's work. And actually, this government is making a

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Speaker 2: bit of a habit of issuing directives that don't cost

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Speaker 2: it any money but will probably be met with a

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Speaker 2: similar reaction from a big slab of the public. I mean,

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Speaker 2: a prime example would be the new cell phone ban

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I have always supported it. I just think it's I

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Speaker 2: just think it's total consense. I think we'll look back

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Speaker 2: my gosh, can you believe that once upon a time

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Speaker 2: we let kids have phones in schools? And now even

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Speaker 2: the opposition education spokesperson supports it too. And perhaps another

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Speaker 2: example does teacher only days. Unions and schools might rightly

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Speaker 2: or doing something that isn't worthwhile goodness knows, they have

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Speaker 2: incredibly difficult and undervalued jobs. And look, many schools time

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Speaker 2: their teacher only days for long weekends, and obviously schools

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Speaker 2: every year. And personally, I think it's a bit rich

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Speaker 2: to suggest that teacher only days have a major impact

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Speaker 2: Is there really a compelling reason that shouldn't be the case. Look,

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Speaker 2: it'll be a blow to morale for teachers and for

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Speaker 2: I can tell you now a vast majority of parents

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Speaker 2: demand a return of midterm teacher only days. Jack Jet

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Speaker 2: If you're looking forward to this weekend's recipe, you are

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Speaker 2: it with you. It's so that weird time of year

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Speaker 2: when it comes to fruit, you know, like we haven't

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But before ten a banana walnut

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Speaker 2: forward to that. Right now, it's twelve minutes past nine.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Merlmo will kick us off next. I'm Jack Tame.

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Speaker 2: EDB, Dogs EDB. Thank you very much for your text, Jack,

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Speaker 2: I personally think people who should continue to who can

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Speaker 2: work from home should continue to work from home. After all,

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Speaker 2: it's not their job to prop up eateries. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to spend two and a half hours a day

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Speaker 2: a day to park, says Fiona. Yeah, fair call, Fiona.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. It isn't your job to

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Speaker 2: prop up those cafes and things, although they are doing

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Speaker 2: it tough at the moment. But my reading of the

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Speaker 2: with your employer. Where may you say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: Actually I'm going to be able to do the same

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that. I'll get to more of your

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Speaker 2: feedback in a couple of minutes. Kevin Milne is with

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Speaker 2: us this morning. Calder Kevin, you thoughts on this? Liam Lawson, Oh, amazing,

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Speaker 2: like actually actually incredible. I mean, the thing is about

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Speaker 2: And it's pretty clear that most of the people, not

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Speaker 2: So either they come from a family with really incredible resources,

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Speaker 2: anyone is suggesting that Liam Lawson, you know, comes comes

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Speaker 2: I just think that is incredible.

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Speaker 5: I really do, absolutely brilliant. Yeah, and I'm not a

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Speaker 5: I just I just really admire that guy for his

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's quite remarkable. Kevin, You too have been

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Speaker 2: pondering where you stand on the work from home debate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny, actually, isn't it that we both ended

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Speaker 5: up with the same topic really today and you've covered

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Speaker 5: some of it. But yeah, there have been plenty of

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Speaker 5: headlines this week about working from home, or WFH as

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Speaker 5: it's called. Why the abbreviations, Jack, how much quicker is

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Speaker 5: it to say WF eight than working from home? It's

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Speaker 5: time so precious for you millennials.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's not quicker to say it, but

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Speaker 2: it is quicker to text it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that's right. I knew you were going

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Speaker 5: to say that. I'd written all this out, and I

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Speaker 5: suddenly thought, texting, Yeah, I know, you're quite right. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: there's an old fashioned side of me that says the

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Speaker 5: whole working from home things got out of hand necessary

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Speaker 5: during COVID, but when COVID ended, we needed to return

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Speaker 5: to our workplaces to again work as a team under

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Speaker 5: normal supervision with no distractions. Doesn't that have a lovely

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Speaker 6: Jack?

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Speaker 5: From someone who doesn't have to go into the office anyway. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, a significant percentage of the workforce

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Speaker 5: have discovered their lives improved by working a more fulfilling family,

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Speaker 5: on the issue, really, But there's one thing I'm clear

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Speaker 5: this week the government might wanted some employees back into

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Speaker 5: return their officers, but surely not just because other businesses

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Speaker 5: hearing that public servants have to go back to wearing

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Speaker 5: with it. And sorry that affected businesses and services simply

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that, Kevin. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if there's just somewhere in the middle of

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Speaker 2: entitled to work from home. Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong

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Speaker 5: I think the government was really telling people you cannot

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Speaker 5: tell the guys that run your company or manage your

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Speaker 5: it has to be negotiated. Yeah, and I think that's

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Speaker 5: totally clear. And if they want you to come into

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Speaker 5: go into the office, you do what you're told.

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Speaker 7: Jack.

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Speaker 2: To assume that businesses or agencies weren't already discussing specifics

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Speaker 2: to the second low, a second leader's low in Wellington

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Speaker 2: this evening, Save and I reckon we solved the world's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: My was first of all surprised to see you at work, Jack,

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Speaker 9: The bench has changed quite often. This team has a

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Speaker 9: very familiar look to it. I would have started Damien

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Speaker 9: your stripes to him. You play him every game at ten. Okay,

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Speaker 9: You'd give someone else a bit of a crack, i'd imagine.

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Speaker 2: But it's not like the Bleeders lies on the line

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Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. If they'd lost in Sydney and

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Speaker 5: McKenzie had a shocking game. Look, he threw a couple

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Speaker 5: of bad passes. I don't think he had a shocking back. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you'd probably play Barrett at ten if the Bleedisloe was

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Speaker 5: Boden Barrett goes at ten, hasn't played it for a while.

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Speaker 5: He should slot in pretty muchlessly with TJ at half back.

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Speaker 5: I just want to see Jack a full performance from

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Speaker 5: Conditions might dictate that we don't see that sort of

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Speaker 5: I just don't think they are yet anyway.

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Speaker 5: I tend to agree by twenty if they get on

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Speaker 5: I thought the Blacks would destroy them in the scrum

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Speaker 5: I think the way they took on the All Blacks

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Speaker 5: So looking forward to another good game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I am I Liam Lawson. What an extraordinary performance.

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Speaker 2: And we've been waiting, We've been waiting, and we've sort

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Speaker 9: And Britaman frustrating for him, his supporters, his family because

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Speaker 9: races to perform. He needs to beat his teammate Yuki

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Speaker 9: Sonoda in qualifying and racing. That's number one. Needs to

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Speaker 9: impress Red Bull and Jack. I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 5: But well done to Liam Lawson for making it onto

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Speaker 5: to realize, Jack, It was only twenty seats a year

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Speaker 5: in Formula One, and for a New Zealander to persist

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Speaker 5: This is even more.

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Speaker 2: The thing is a meritocracy, that's the thing, right It

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Speaker 2: And to have done that with a kind of grace

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Speaker 2: that Liam Lawson has has done it, I just I

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Speaker 5: There's only a minute team minute percentage of racing car

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Speaker 2: You know Lard Stroll, who's had several seasons and f

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Speaker 9: And his dad happened to used to own Tommy Hilfiger

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he's got a little.

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Speaker 9: Bit of coin. But for a young ki who's done

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Speaker 9: backers who have been with him all the way, who

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Speaker 5: Now and if one he's a multi millionaire, he's going

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Speaker 5: to earn mega millions. No he isn't. That only comes

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Speaker 5: when you're indispensable to a team, which hopefully Liam Lawson

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Speaker 2: Surely he's on more than sex figures.

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Speaker 9: Now, No, no, he's not. He has to pay his

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Speaker 9: it's still it's It is quite remarkable that if one

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Speaker 5: I just for that.

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Speaker 9: Something in the wave down the road makes sact look

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Speaker 9: read ball flying Eyore and put him up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But when.

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Speaker 5: He's not racing, he has to he has to cover

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Speaker 9: more money driving a supercar Durance around the world. But

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Speaker 9: the chance to earn Megan Million's bouns what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: Well said, Hey, thanks for your time, Seves Andrew savil

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Speaker 2: Our sport Oder. I was going to ask him about

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Speaker 2: the cricket but you know what, what can you say

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Speaker 2: for anyone who's been following the black Caps, it's been

439
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Speaker 2: a tough watch so far. They're currently in the second

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Speaker 2: Test against Sri Lanka in Gaul which has got to

441
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Speaker 2: be one of the world's best cricket venues down in

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Speaker 2: the in the south of Sri Lanka former Portuguese colony.

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Speaker 2: You know how they play in the old fort, the

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Speaker 2: historic fort there. Incredible anyway, Sri Lanka first etting six

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Speaker 2: hundred and two for five declared New Zealand closed day

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Speaker 2: two yesterday twenty two for two. So yeah, you're probably

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Speaker 2: only gonna be watching that game to appreciate the venue

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Speaker 2: and the historical sites rather than the black Caps chances.

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Speaker 10: Monday, Jen Africa.

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Speaker 5: Day. Let's alone like that.

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Speaker 2: No Other cool lame. Hey, thanks for your feedback regarding

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Speaker 2: working in the office to prop up business as Jack,

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Speaker 2: have you ever heard of taking your own lunch to

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Speaker 2: prefer to?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I reckon. It's probably a photo finish. Depends

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Speaker 2: on the leftovers. Really, No, I'm into that. So that's

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Speaker 2: a perfectly legitimate point ninety two. If you want to

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Speaker 2: send us some a message in your thoughts on working

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Speaker 2: from home and whether or not public servants should be

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Speaker 2: directed to work from the office, plenty of feedback to

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Speaker 2: get through very shortly. Right now, though, it's time to

465
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Speaker 2: catch up with our film reviewer, Francesca Rudkin is here, Kelder,

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Okay, two films to talk to. I'm gonna

467
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Speaker 2: have already lamented the title of our second film, so

468
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Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a couple of minutes. It's

469
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Speaker 2: been grinding my gears, but let's start off with a

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Speaker 2: new movie showing and cinemas at the moment. This is Megalopolis.

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Speaker 8: Imagine today's society as a branch of civilization. I'm about

472
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Speaker 8: to reach your head end. Is this way we're living?

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Speaker 8: The only one that's available to us.

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Speaker 2: BA that's Meg Loveless.

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Speaker 11: Yes, this is the sci fi drama written in directed

476
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Speaker 11: and produced by Francis Ward Coppola that he has. The

477
00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:17,213
Speaker 11: eighty five year old director has been working on this

478
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Speaker 11: project for decades. It is a self funded passion project.

479
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Speaker 11: He's around one hundred and twenty million dollars in to

480
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Speaker 11: make this film and it played it can. It was

481
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Speaker 11: picked up by Lionsgate to have it released in cinemas,

482
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Speaker 11: which is really good because it must be seen in

483
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Speaker 11: a cinema. This film is audacious, it is just polarizing.

484
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Speaker 11: It's absolutely nutty, but it needs to be seen on

485
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Speaker 11: the big screen. It's set in futuristic America that resembles

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Speaker 11: ancient Rome and and River plays an architect called Caesar.

487
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Speaker 11: He's a visionary and it's his job to determine how

488
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Speaker 11: to rebuild the metropolis of New Rome after a disaster,

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Speaker 11: and it's kind of a battle for the soul of

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Speaker 11: the city, and he's backling against the mayor and the

491
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Speaker 11: rich and the powerful. It's like an ancient myth or

492
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Speaker 11: fable put into a modern city. Jack I saw this

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Speaker 11: film on Wednesday. I still do not have my head

494
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Speaker 11: around it. I do not know whether this film is

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Speaker 11: a masterpiece for an absolute disaster. It is equally frustrating

496
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Speaker 11: as it is at times stunning and beautiful. There are

497
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Speaker 11: scenes in this film that I'm there, I'm in it,

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Speaker 11: I'm in this world, and then there are other scenes

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Speaker 11: where I'm just going, oh my goodness, this is two

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Speaker 11: hours and eighteen minutes of my life. I'm never going

501
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Speaker 11: to get back. The film obviously looks at sort of

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Speaker 11: power and corruption and art and creativity and the impact

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Speaker 11: of progress and of standing still, but it just struggles

504
00:26:51,773 --> 00:26:54,893
Speaker 11: to get into a throw. He is throwing so much

505
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Speaker 11: at us, and it's not terribly subtle at times, and

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Speaker 11: the film sort of starts off, I got all this

507
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Speaker 11: just looks amazing, this is me great, and then the

508
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Speaker 11: next thing, you know, Adam Driver's character is doing Shakespeare's

509
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Speaker 11: soliloquy like no no, no, no no, I don't need Shakespeare

510
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Speaker 11: as well, and and so there's all these sort of subplots,

511
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Speaker 11: and you know, it's it's really you have to see

512
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Speaker 11: it to believe it. But I would highly recommend that

513
00:27:20,133 --> 00:27:23,053
Speaker 11: you watch the trailer first. It is it is our house.

514
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Speaker 11: It is bonkers. It's for a discerning film goer. You know,

515
00:27:26,573 --> 00:27:28,733
Speaker 11: if you're thinking, oh good, I love, you know the goal,

516
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Speaker 11: but I just want to watch this. There's so much

517
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Speaker 11: about it which is amazing, but then there's so much

518
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Speaker 11: about it which is really frustrating and just.

519
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Speaker 10: Just just bonkers.

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Speaker 11: As you can tell im, I'm really really just sitting

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Speaker 11: on the sidelines with us great cast, and I'm pretty

522
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Speaker 11: sure that everybody, no one will care what You're either

523
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Speaker 11: going to love it or hate it. And I don't

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Speaker 11: think if you're involved in this film, you wouldn't matter

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Speaker 11: it doesn't You wouldn't care what the reviews are, because

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Speaker 11: you would go I was involved in something quite unique

527
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Speaker 11: and audacious and I got to work with Francis Ford,

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Speaker 11: and that's all it means.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unique is good is good. Different is good. It's

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Speaker 2: sounds like a big moone mash. It sounds like just

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Speaker 2: a big like like you know, like someone's just throwing

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of paint at the canvas.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and I can't even go into all these little

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Speaker 11: examples of just how unsubtled as at times and how

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Speaker 11: much he throws are you And Yeah, so a part

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Speaker 11: of me loved it, part of me hated it. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: And I think it's probably going to take in another

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Speaker 11: viewing God for bit and a little bit of time

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Speaker 11: before I find which side of you nice?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds that sounds interesting at the very least

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Speaker 2: and different. So that is Megalopolis that's showing in cinemas. Now,

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Speaker 2: now to the film whose title has been irritating me

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Speaker 2: for days now, starring bad Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

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Speaker 2: Have I listened to Wolf's.

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Speaker 10: I was told and if I ever needed help to

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Speaker 10: call you?

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Speaker 12: What you can do?

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Speaker 4: What I do? We clearly have a situation here.

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Speaker 13: The only course of action is for you York together.

550
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Speaker 12: To clean up the glass.

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Speaker 2: No, that's wolves. Can you just start off by explaining

552
00:29:14,853 --> 00:29:15,333
Speaker 2: the title?

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Speaker 14: Well, they just didn't want to call it a house.

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Speaker 11: Are you going to explain the sub You're going to

555
00:29:20,253 --> 00:29:23,973
Speaker 11: explain the premise is that you've got these two lone wolves.

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Speaker 11: So you've got these two loan characters who are cleaners.

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Speaker 11: They called into fixed problems, but they you know, usually

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Speaker 11: involving dead bodies and things or killing people, but they

559
00:29:34,653 --> 00:29:39,133
Speaker 11: always work alone, and they're very protective of their trade craft, right,

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Speaker 11: and they're very protective of what they do. So we

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Speaker 11: have a wolf which is called into a situation and

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Speaker 11: another wolf arrives and the two of them are played

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Speaker 11: by George Cleaning and bread Pitt, and the two of

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Speaker 11: them are forced to work together, but they're not really together.

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Speaker 11: It's not really a plural.

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, if you're putting.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I know, I mean it's it's I totally understan

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Speaker 11: where you're coming from, because we don't use w O

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Speaker 11: L F S as the plural.

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Speaker 10: We use the B.

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Speaker 11: So it is very confusing. But I'd move on from that, Yeah, Jack,

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Speaker 11: I just let that go.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I just think I'm I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I remember how I used to roll my eyes when

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Speaker 2: playing scrabble with my father, and I've just become that person,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've just become the nitpecker on grammar and

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Speaker 2: all of these things, and I just you can say,

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00:30:21,733 --> 00:30:23,893
Speaker 2: move on. It's easy to say move on, but I

579
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Speaker 2: just know that for some reason, it's like I've got

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Speaker 2: it between my.

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Speaker 11: Teeth apostrophies as well, well.

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Speaker 2: I placed apostrophes.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 11: Anyway, this is this is an undermanding fun film, Okay.

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Speaker 11: So that's why I'm just saying it's not worth really

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Speaker 11: spending humuch time worrying about that it's you've got a

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Speaker 11: couple of charismatical leads here. I'm gonna be on this

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Speaker 11: is playing on Apple Plus TV. I'm going to be

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Speaker 11: honest with you. The first tween minutes about like the

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Speaker 11: two of them and joined up and done a coffee

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Speaker 11: ad together. It's it's George Cloney and bread. As you

592
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Speaker 11: expect that sort of dead pan, kind of funny banter

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Speaker 11: that the two of them do together. The film is

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Speaker 11: set over one night. It is actually beautifully shot. The

595
00:31:02,413 --> 00:31:07,053
Speaker 11: cinematop figure is absolutely fantastic. But it took to the

596
00:31:07,093 --> 00:31:09,053
Speaker 11: forty night. This is an actual comedy. It took to

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00:31:09,053 --> 00:31:11,773
Speaker 11: the forty ninth minute when there was a fantastic stunt

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Speaker 11: scene of the car chase, which actually had me laughing

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00:31:14,653 --> 00:31:16,533
Speaker 11: out loud. And that's when I kind of lightened up

600
00:31:16,533 --> 00:31:18,413
Speaker 11: a little bit on this film and when Okay, look

601
00:31:18,973 --> 00:31:21,773
Speaker 11: you're expecting too much. This is just supposed to be

602
00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:26,173
Speaker 11: on the light side. Look, the two of them obviously

603
00:31:26,213 --> 00:31:31,413
Speaker 11: worked together really well. There's lots of as I said,

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00:31:31,453 --> 00:31:33,253
Speaker 11: banter between the two of them. They take the mickey

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00:31:33,253 --> 00:31:36,053
Speaker 11: out of each other. The funny part is that they're actually,

606
00:31:36,813 --> 00:31:38,453
Speaker 11: you know, they think that they're the best of what

607
00:31:38,493 --> 00:31:41,173
Speaker 11: they do and that they're individuals and they must work individually,

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00:31:41,173 --> 00:31:43,573
Speaker 11: but actually they're the same person. They dress the same,

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00:31:43,853 --> 00:31:46,493
Speaker 11: they both had the same back issue, they both work

610
00:31:46,533 --> 00:31:48,493
Speaker 11: with the same people. They need glasses to read, So

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00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:51,933
Speaker 11: there's lots of sort of gags there along those lines

612
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Speaker 11: as well.

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00:31:53,933 --> 00:31:55,693
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the pace ebbs.

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Speaker 11: And flows, the twists take a while to kick in,

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Speaker 11: and I think they needed more of them. Sometimes it

616
00:32:01,573 --> 00:32:03,933
Speaker 11: felt like the film was just resting on the chemistry

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00:32:03,973 --> 00:32:06,853
Speaker 11: between the two of them, you know. But there are

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00:32:06,893 --> 00:32:08,813
Speaker 11: a few moments where you think they actually put some

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Speaker 11: effort into the acting, but the rest of it all

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00:32:10,373 --> 00:32:14,693
Speaker 11: comes pretty lightly, pretty easily. Sorry, not fun, light breathing entertainment.

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Speaker 2: Very good. Yeah, okay, cool, that's Wolfs That's on Apple

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Speaker 2: TV plus Megalopolis and Cinemas Now. Thanks Frantiska.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tea keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend with beepure dot cot dots here for high

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Speaker 1: quality supplements used talk senb.

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Speaker 2: Well to Tina Cook. Nicky Wicks is here, killeder Yeah,

627
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Speaker 2: good morning Jack. It is a bit of a weird

628
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Speaker 2: time of year when it comes to fresh fruit able

629
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Speaker 2: so We're very much in between seasons for fresh fruit.

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Speaker 16: We really are, because the funny thing is is springtime.

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Speaker 16: You know, you think, oh, everything's going to be flourishing,

632
00:32:49,653 --> 00:32:51,573
Speaker 16: but actually the blossoms are still out.

633
00:32:51,613 --> 00:32:52,973
Speaker 10: The fruit is just sitting now.

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Speaker 16: For some of our fruits, berries, stone fruit, we're a

635
00:32:56,133 --> 00:32:57,933
Speaker 16: long way away from that, I'm afraid.

636
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Speaker 10: To tell you.

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Speaker 16: And although there are loads of apples and peas in

638
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Speaker 16: the supermarket and I do continue to buy some of them,

639
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Speaker 16: they really have been in cool store since last seas,

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Speaker 16: so they're not great either. My rhubarb that should be

641
00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:13,093
Speaker 16: thriving is sometimes demental, so I can't rely on it.

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00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:16,853
Speaker 16: But the good trusty old banana, Ah, it's always.

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Speaker 2: There, isn't it. It is always there? Yeah, I can,

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you where in a household with

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00:33:23,733 --> 00:33:26,853
Speaker 2: this even year old boy that gets through about three

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Speaker 2: bananas a day by himself, we are very much relyingt

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Speaker 2: tom bananas at this time of year.

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Speaker 10: I love it. People love them.

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Speaker 16: I mean, of course they're an import, although we now

650
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Speaker 16: grow them in Northland, which is great, but you're.

651
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Speaker 10: Right they are.

652
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Speaker 16: They're just always there and kids love them, and so

653
00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:43,773
Speaker 16: I think for that reason we sort of can underestimate them.

654
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Speaker 16: But this week I have got for us this beautiful banana,

655
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Speaker 16: walnut and sultana loafing.

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Speaker 10: So I make it in a loaft and but I

657
00:33:53,093 --> 00:33:53,613
Speaker 10: don't want.

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Speaker 16: To call it a banana bread because it seems a

659
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Speaker 16: little bit more caky than that bit more moist, a

660
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Speaker 16: little bit more fluffy, and studying it with the sultanas,

661
00:34:02,013 --> 00:34:02,973
Speaker 16: they go old chewy.

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00:34:03,413 --> 00:34:05,813
Speaker 10: The walnuts kind of melt a little.

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Speaker 16: Bit soft in a little they're really buttery and beautiful,

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Speaker 16: and the banana is just it's great and look dead easy.

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Speaker 16: Here we go other on one eighty degrees and that's

666
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Speaker 16: that's on a fan bake, and I tend to take

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Speaker 16: it down sort of ten degrees when I actually put

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Speaker 16: the loaf in there, and then this makes me large

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Speaker 16: loaf tin, so you know, so there's small and large

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Speaker 16: loaf to bakers will know what I mean there. So

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Speaker 16: I do this in a standing beta, which which means

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Speaker 16: I don't have to sort of be hands on the

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Speaker 16: whole time.

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Speaker 10: It can just beat away.

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Speaker 16: And I beat out one hundred and twenty five grams

676
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Speaker 16: of soft and butter with half a cup of sugar.

677
00:34:38,893 --> 00:34:41,813
Speaker 16: Any sugar I reckon is fine. I just use whatever

678
00:34:41,853 --> 00:34:44,093
Speaker 16: I've got. I want that to be light and fluffy

679
00:34:44,533 --> 00:34:46,653
Speaker 16: at this time of the year, cool morning.

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Speaker 10: Still. I'll put in a teaspoon or.

681
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Speaker 16: Two of boiling hot water with that too, jack and

682
00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:53,613
Speaker 16: it just helps to soften that.

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Speaker 10: Butter a little bit.

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Speaker 16: I don't own a MICROABC, so I can't get it

685
00:34:56,653 --> 00:34:59,733
Speaker 16: all really soft, so i'll do that doesn't impact on

686
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Speaker 16: the on the end result.

687
00:35:01,013 --> 00:35:02,813
Speaker 10: And then you want to add two eggs.

688
00:35:02,493 --> 00:35:04,693
Speaker 16: But I beat well in between each one, so I'll

689
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Speaker 16: add one. I'll beat for about two twenty seconds, and

690
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:08,973
Speaker 16: then I'll add the next one. It does sort to

691
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:12,693
Speaker 16: make a difference there. I put a drizzle of golden syrup.

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Speaker 16: Goodness knows why I do. I just feel like it

693
00:35:14,773 --> 00:35:17,573
Speaker 16: gives it a little something. You could use maple syrup

694
00:35:17,613 --> 00:35:19,293
Speaker 16: as well, but don't use a good quality one. Just

695
00:35:19,373 --> 00:35:20,373
Speaker 16: use a cheap one in there.

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Speaker 10: And then I don't mash the banana.

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Speaker 16: I just peel two bananas and I break them off

698
00:35:24,973 --> 00:35:28,013
Speaker 16: in pieces and I put those in the in the beta.

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00:35:28,613 --> 00:35:32,213
Speaker 16: And that's two large bananas I use. Mine worn't particularly right,

700
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Speaker 16: but they're ripe enough. About half a couple seventy grams

701
00:35:36,933 --> 00:35:40,213
Speaker 16: of walnut pieces and the same half a cup of

702
00:35:40,253 --> 00:35:43,293
Speaker 16: sultanas in there, give that all a bit of a mix,

703
00:35:43,413 --> 00:35:47,373
Speaker 16: and then sift or just dump in self raising flour,

704
00:35:47,413 --> 00:35:50,053
Speaker 16: two cups of that and half a teaspoon of cinnamon,

705
00:35:50,373 --> 00:35:52,813
Speaker 16: plus a quarter of a teaspoon of baking soda to

706
00:35:52,813 --> 00:35:56,173
Speaker 16: give us that extra little lift in there. You just

707
00:35:56,173 --> 00:35:58,573
Speaker 16: want to stir that or just beat that very slowly.

708
00:35:58,893 --> 00:36:00,853
Speaker 16: You want to make sure there's no pockets of flour

709
00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:02,933
Speaker 16: in there, but you also want to make sure that

710
00:36:02,973 --> 00:36:05,893
Speaker 16: there's that you don't overmix it, otherwise you'll get a

711
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Speaker 16: tough low.

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00:36:06,893 --> 00:36:08,573
Speaker 10: I also then use two nice.

713
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:11,333
Speaker 16: Big dollups of plain Greek yogurt, because I love that

714
00:36:11,493 --> 00:36:12,653
Speaker 16: in a cake as well.

715
00:36:13,053 --> 00:36:13,613
Speaker 10: And then if.

716
00:36:13,493 --> 00:36:17,133
Speaker 16: It's we're aiming for dropping consistency for our batter jack,

717
00:36:17,213 --> 00:36:20,053
Speaker 16: but if it's not quite there, and sometimes it can

718
00:36:20,093 --> 00:36:23,093
Speaker 16: be a bit stiff, eggs might be too small, butter

719
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Speaker 16: might have been not quite soft enough, et cetera.

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Speaker 10: Add a little splash of.

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Speaker 16: Milk and stew that and just so that you've got

722
00:36:27,973 --> 00:36:31,533
Speaker 16: that lovely dropping consistency, scrape it into your tin, bake

723
00:36:31,613 --> 00:36:34,093
Speaker 16: it for about forty five minutes. But you know, insert

724
00:36:34,093 --> 00:36:36,053
Speaker 16: a skewer or a knife and it should come out

725
00:36:36,293 --> 00:36:39,333
Speaker 16: nice and clean. Loaf cakes take ages to cook. I've

726
00:36:39,373 --> 00:36:41,573
Speaker 16: never quite figured out why, but they seem to take

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Speaker 16: longer than a regular cake.

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Speaker 10: That's for sure. I should know this, but I have

729
00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:47,213
Speaker 10: no idea.

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Speaker 16: So forty five minutes, if it's still coming out with

731
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Speaker 16: a little bit of the batter on your skew it,

732
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Speaker 16: cook it for a bit longer.

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Speaker 10: That'll be fine. And look, you can have it warm,

734
00:36:56,333 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 10: you can have it cold. I butter mine.

735
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Speaker 16: I also take grete slices and I mix up some

736
00:37:01,693 --> 00:37:04,853
Speaker 16: sour cream with some brown sugar and I doll up

737
00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:07,453
Speaker 16: that on top. Is a great idea, honestly, it's it's

738
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Speaker 16: just it's just wickedly good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds fantastic like and and can you I

740
00:37:11,893 --> 00:37:13,853
Speaker 2: know we're not calling it a bread, but can you

741
00:37:13,893 --> 00:37:18,493
Speaker 2: eat it in banana bread type settings ie for breakfast toasted? Maybe?

742
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Speaker 10: Yeah? Absolutely?

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Speaker 16: And yeah, once you know, if it hangs around for

744
00:37:22,733 --> 00:37:24,453
Speaker 16: a bit, or if you freeze it and you want

745
00:37:24,453 --> 00:37:26,093
Speaker 16: to toast it up, that's fine, just to have that

746
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:28,693
Speaker 16: sort of warmth in it, because then of course you

747
00:37:28,733 --> 00:37:32,533
Speaker 16: get that d aroma as well. So yeah, absolutely, we

748
00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:34,573
Speaker 16: don't want to call it a banana bread. I think

749
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Speaker 16: the Aussies call it banana bread, but it's it's never

750
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Speaker 16: really yeast, and.

751
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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what's going on about, right, but

752
00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:48,293
Speaker 2: there you go. Used how about so many things? No,

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Speaker 2: this absolutely sounds like a winner. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We'll make sure the recipe is up and available online.

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Speaker 2: The English slash ki we rock band The Veils were

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Speaker 2: front man Finn Andrews is with us this morning. Counter Finn,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 12: Colder Jack, nice to speak with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice to be speaking with you. So Woe Mad

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Speaker 2: and the Veils are teaming up for a bit of

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Speaker 2: a collab right with some classical musicians Amalia Hall, Ashley

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Speaker 2: Brown and Sony Kim of Ensied Trio. So what's the

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Speaker 2: what's the plan there? How does that work?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. We've played together a couple

801
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Speaker 6: of times before in sort of smaller contexts, but they're

802
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Speaker 6: just the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,

803
00:40:45,213 --> 00:40:48,493
Speaker 6: and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.

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Speaker 6: So it's been a lot of fun coming up with

805
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Speaker 6: new ways to sort of expand on the Veils. And yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's and this is this is the first time I've

807
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Speaker 6: done it with the full Veils band though as well.

808
00:41:00,853 --> 00:41:02,853
Speaker 6: I've kind of done it playing solo with them, but

809
00:41:03,013 --> 00:41:05,813
Speaker 6: this is the full band with them as well, So

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Speaker 6: it's going to be a pretty.

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Speaker 12: Raucous affair.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, is it going to be raucous? That was

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Speaker 2: going to be my next question, because when you hear

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Speaker 2: you know, classical musicians getting involved, you think, oh, it's

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00:41:17,493 --> 00:41:19,893
Speaker 2: probably less likely to be raucous, but that's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: the case.

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Speaker 6: I think it gives you the option to, yeah, get

818
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Speaker 6: really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,

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Speaker 6: which is kind of what the Veils have done on

820
00:41:34,973 --> 00:41:37,173
Speaker 6: these records throughout the years. We kind of like to

821
00:41:37,253 --> 00:41:42,373
Speaker 6: lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it

822
00:41:42,453 --> 00:41:45,133
Speaker 6: just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to

823
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Speaker 6: be really full on and really yeah and really quiet

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Speaker 6: intimate as well.

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Speaker 12: That's that's the plan anyway.

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Speaker 2: Because and I'm going to get to Esfidels in a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes, which I think you have been recording

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Speaker 2: it around here lately, and I think for Esfidels you

829
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Speaker 2: also brought in some strings and some classical elements, right,

830
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Speaker 2: So I'm getting the sense that in the last couple

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00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:09,893
Speaker 2: of years, between your solo work and the stuff with

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Speaker 2: the Veils, you have really kind of leaned into classical

833
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Speaker 2: influences and classical contributions. Is that is that a fair assessment.

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Speaker 6: I suppose We've We've always used a lot of strings

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Speaker 6: in our records. I've always loved that part of it.

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Speaker 6: This kind of you know, you work on these things

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Speaker 6: for years and then on the last day in the

838
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Speaker 6: studio you get to bring in these incredible players and

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Speaker 6: this whole other texture gets brought in, and I feel

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Speaker 6: like that's always been a part I've really enjoyed. Actually,

841
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Speaker 6: and one of the great discoveries of moving back to

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Speaker 6: New Zealand a few years ago was Victoria Kelly, who

843
00:42:44,573 --> 00:42:49,453
Speaker 6: wrote all the arrangements for this record and the two previous,

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Speaker 6: and that's kind of how I got linked up with

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Speaker 6: the end A trio. So yeah, it's something I've always enjoyed.

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Speaker 6: But I guess meeting Victoria, who's been a real kind

847
00:43:00,133 --> 00:43:04,053
Speaker 6: of collaborator on these last few records, it's kind of

848
00:43:04,053 --> 00:43:06,693
Speaker 6: maybe gotten more more and more dream.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: How has it been from a creative perspective coming home?

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Speaker 12: It's been great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: New Zealand's always been such a huge part of my life.

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Speaker 6: I think I often ran away back here when I

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Speaker 6: was living in London for.

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Speaker 12: That twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Do you call the time oh very much?

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Speaker 12: So now? Yeah, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 6: I was sort of I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 6: if I ever felt truly at home in London, but

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Speaker 6: I've kind of always bounced between the two places, so

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Speaker 6: they both have a place in my life. But I've

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Speaker 6: had a child now as well, and we're very much

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Speaker 6: sort of settled here, so it feels it feels very homely.

865
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Speaker 2: Yeah, populations, and from a creative perspective as well, it's

866
00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:50,333
Speaker 2: a nourishing place to be.

867
00:43:51,293 --> 00:43:51,813
Speaker 12: Oh it is.

868
00:43:51,893 --> 00:43:54,973
Speaker 6: I mean I've always felt very fortunate to have this

869
00:43:55,093 --> 00:43:57,293
Speaker 6: place in my life, and I think it's always been.

870
00:43:57,773 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 6: There's a lot of sort of landscapes in our songs

871
00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:02,533
Speaker 6: and or at least I can I feel like I

872
00:44:02,533 --> 00:44:04,533
Speaker 6: can see a lot of landscapes in them, and they've

873
00:44:04,533 --> 00:44:08,613
Speaker 6: always been New Zealand once. That seems to just, yeah,

874
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:09,853
Speaker 6: be carrying on as well.

875
00:44:10,013 --> 00:44:10,293
Speaker 17: Yeah.

876
00:44:10,413 --> 00:44:13,893
Speaker 2: Right, it's twenty years since the Veils debut record, or

877
00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:16,893
Speaker 2: it's likely more n twenty twenty one years. No one's counting, don't.

878
00:44:16,733 --> 00:44:17,693
Speaker 12: Worry, Oh dear me.

879
00:44:18,613 --> 00:44:21,213
Speaker 2: But I saw that you said you felt a bit,

880
00:44:22,613 --> 00:44:25,293
Speaker 2: you felt kind of a bit of an existential kind

881
00:44:25,293 --> 00:44:28,333
Speaker 2: of feeling when reflecting on the Runaway found and the

882
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:32,133
Speaker 2: time that's passed since. Is that something you've been afflicted

883
00:44:32,133 --> 00:44:33,613
Speaker 2: by or struck by?

884
00:44:34,373 --> 00:44:36,933
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I'm prone to those sorts of a

885
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:39,493
Speaker 6: little I don't know existential dread from time to time

886
00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:41,533
Speaker 6: as it is, but someone uploaded.

887
00:44:41,093 --> 00:44:43,253
Speaker 12: A picture of all of our.

888
00:44:43,093 --> 00:44:46,493
Speaker 6: Records like in a row. I've never really seen them

889
00:44:46,493 --> 00:44:50,053
Speaker 6: all together before. I think that was the beginning of, Yes,

890
00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:50,773
Speaker 6: this sort of.

891
00:44:52,973 --> 00:44:53,733
Speaker 12: These feelings.

892
00:44:54,413 --> 00:44:56,053
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, tell me about that. It seems like

893
00:44:56,053 --> 00:44:57,893
Speaker 2: a pretty simple thing to have not first of all,

894
00:44:57,933 --> 00:45:01,293
Speaker 2: to have not seen for that seems like quite a

895
00:45:01,333 --> 00:45:02,053
Speaker 2: simple trigger.

896
00:45:02,853 --> 00:45:03,493
Speaker 12: Yeah, it is.

897
00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:05,893
Speaker 6: It's weird, right you kind of. I mean, it's been

898
00:45:05,893 --> 00:45:11,413
Speaker 6: the beautiful part of having a long hit or you know,

899
00:45:11,493 --> 00:45:13,853
Speaker 6: twenty years, I guess there's a long time and having

900
00:45:13,853 --> 00:45:18,933
Speaker 6: your life sort of marked with these records, Like each

901
00:45:19,373 --> 00:45:21,653
Speaker 6: record just reminds me of this very specific point in

902
00:45:21,693 --> 00:45:23,733
Speaker 6: my life and the first record I made when I was,

903
00:45:23,893 --> 00:45:25,653
Speaker 6: you know, sixteen or whatever. It's kind of all of

904
00:45:25,653 --> 00:45:29,213
Speaker 6: these songs from my adolescents that are just sort of

905
00:45:29,733 --> 00:45:31,813
Speaker 6: still there and you can just sort of dip back

906
00:45:31,813 --> 00:45:34,253
Speaker 6: into them, and it's a very odd feeling. It's not

907
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,213
Speaker 6: something you think about when you're starting. I suppose that

908
00:45:36,253 --> 00:45:39,173
Speaker 6: your life will be marked in this way. But it's

909
00:45:39,213 --> 00:45:43,173
Speaker 6: a beautiful part of it. Yeah, but occasionally it does

910
00:45:43,213 --> 00:45:46,693
Speaker 6: get a bit overwhelming. Youse of Oh god, I've been

911
00:45:46,693 --> 00:45:47,973
Speaker 6: doing this quite a long time.

912
00:45:47,853 --> 00:45:51,013
Speaker 2: Now, because you guys took a break for a couple

913
00:45:51,013 --> 00:45:53,973
Speaker 2: of years and you were doing a bit of your

914
00:45:53,973 --> 00:45:56,293
Speaker 2: solo work and then you join them back up together

915
00:45:56,373 --> 00:46:00,373
Speaker 2: and recording music performing live. How important do you think

916
00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:02,893
Speaker 2: that little spell, a little bit of time a part

917
00:46:03,013 --> 00:46:06,373
Speaker 2: has been in, you know, in the kind of process

918
00:46:06,813 --> 00:46:09,333
Speaker 2: for you guys continuing develop to develop from here.

919
00:46:10,453 --> 00:46:13,293
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was important, I think. Yeah, through all the

920
00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:16,133
Speaker 6: COVID times, you know, everyone kind of took this time

921
00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:20,253
Speaker 6: out from what they did. I yeah, I think you're

922
00:46:20,253 --> 00:46:24,293
Speaker 6: always trying to find the worth in what you do,

923
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:28,213
Speaker 6: and it's a hard thing sometimes to maintain that you

924
00:46:28,493 --> 00:46:32,693
Speaker 6: kind of Yeah, I think I've found that again. And

925
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:35,613
Speaker 6: all these various people, as they say that I've been

926
00:46:35,653 --> 00:46:39,653
Speaker 6: collaborating with that's really revitalized it. And such amazing musicians

927
00:46:39,653 --> 00:46:44,893
Speaker 6: over here. Yeah, I think, Yeah, you have to keep

928
00:46:44,933 --> 00:46:47,213
Speaker 6: finding the thing that makes you fall in love with

929
00:46:47,213 --> 00:46:51,933
Speaker 6: it again and keep keep wanting to do it. So far,

930
00:46:51,973 --> 00:46:54,373
Speaker 6: I've always you know, you're always kind of monkey swinging

931
00:46:54,413 --> 00:46:55,453
Speaker 6: from one thing to the next.

932
00:46:55,533 --> 00:46:55,693
Speaker 17: Year.

933
00:46:55,853 --> 00:46:59,053
Speaker 6: So far, so far, there's always been a vine in

934
00:46:59,053 --> 00:47:00,773
Speaker 6: front of me which I'm grateful for.

935
00:47:02,133 --> 00:47:04,053
Speaker 2: That's a very good analogy. What was it like when

936
00:47:04,093 --> 00:47:06,693
Speaker 2: you guys, you know, after the kind of COVID times

937
00:47:06,733 --> 00:47:09,053
Speaker 2: got back together and started performing live again. Did you

938
00:47:09,093 --> 00:47:11,813
Speaker 2: feel did it kind of feel like you'd reset a bit,

939
00:47:11,933 --> 00:47:13,813
Speaker 2: or did it feel like you you know, was there

940
00:47:13,853 --> 00:47:16,253
Speaker 2: a rush that perhaps might not have been there otherwise.

941
00:47:16,933 --> 00:47:18,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was. I mean, just since I

942
00:47:18,773 --> 00:47:21,613
Speaker 6: was sixteen, I'm just towed and towed and towed all

943
00:47:21,813 --> 00:47:25,333
Speaker 6: around the world constantly, and so that little break it

944
00:47:25,373 --> 00:47:27,733
Speaker 6: was nice to come back to it fresh, and that

945
00:47:27,853 --> 00:47:30,733
Speaker 6: tour we did in Europe last year was one of

946
00:47:30,733 --> 00:47:33,413
Speaker 6: the best times of my life. I think, sort of

947
00:47:33,453 --> 00:47:36,693
Speaker 6: coming back into that world again. And I guess you

948
00:47:36,853 --> 00:47:40,973
Speaker 6: you know, you forget anyone kind of cares about what

949
00:47:41,013 --> 00:47:43,093
Speaker 6: you do after a while as well when you're out

950
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:45,133
Speaker 6: of it, and it was nice just to remember that

951
00:47:45,373 --> 00:47:49,853
Speaker 6: this is important to a few people, and that's, you know,

952
00:47:50,213 --> 00:47:53,733
Speaker 6: kind of the most motivating force in the whole thing.

953
00:47:53,893 --> 00:47:56,573
Speaker 6: So yeah, that felt amazing to be back over there

954
00:47:56,693 --> 00:47:58,293
Speaker 6: and all these venues. You know, I really have spent

955
00:47:59,013 --> 00:48:02,653
Speaker 6: all of my adult life in these venues, so I

956
00:48:02,693 --> 00:48:04,333
Speaker 6: feel and all the people you know that you meet

957
00:48:05,093 --> 00:48:07,613
Speaker 6: in these places over the years, I'd really missed.

958
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:10,573
Speaker 12: All of them. So yeah, it was really revitalizing.

959
00:48:10,693 --> 00:48:13,973
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. So tell us what you can abouts Fidel's

960
00:48:13,973 --> 00:48:15,653
Speaker 2: because you've been recording that a round here, right.

961
00:48:16,613 --> 00:48:16,893
Speaker 12: Yeah.

962
00:48:17,693 --> 00:48:20,573
Speaker 6: We recorded it last year and it's coming out early

963
00:48:20,653 --> 00:48:24,173
Speaker 6: next year. It was recorded in four days, so it

964
00:48:24,253 --> 00:48:27,093
Speaker 6: was that, by far the fastest thing we've ever done.

965
00:48:27,133 --> 00:48:29,573
Speaker 6: The last record took I think four years, so this

966
00:48:29,693 --> 00:48:32,213
Speaker 6: was very much a reaction to that, I think, a

967
00:48:32,293 --> 00:48:34,933
Speaker 6: kind of antidote to how intense that was. This was

968
00:48:35,013 --> 00:48:38,973
Speaker 6: just songs that I'd been working on for a long time,

969
00:48:38,973 --> 00:48:40,813
Speaker 6: but we just sort of went in live, played them

970
00:48:40,813 --> 00:48:44,813
Speaker 6: with the band and with strings and yeah, so it

971
00:48:45,253 --> 00:48:48,453
Speaker 6: has a quality in a directness I hope because of

972
00:48:48,453 --> 00:48:51,133
Speaker 6: that that there wasn't any time to faff around with anything.

973
00:48:51,253 --> 00:48:55,253
Speaker 6: It's very live feeling, and yeah, I'm really proud of it,

974
00:48:55,253 --> 00:48:57,413
Speaker 6: and I'm really pleased. We've got a label now and

975
00:48:57,453 --> 00:49:00,213
Speaker 6: everything's lined up for early next year.

976
00:49:00,253 --> 00:49:00,453
Speaker 12: Now.

977
00:49:00,613 --> 00:49:03,613
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. So you're going to be touring Europe from

978
00:49:03,733 --> 00:49:06,053
Speaker 2: the very start of next year, from January or so,

979
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:07,813
Speaker 2: and then Womade is in March. Have you been to

980
00:49:07,813 --> 00:49:08,533
Speaker 2: Wymad before.

981
00:49:09,613 --> 00:49:13,093
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went in twenty nineteen when I was doing

982
00:49:13,093 --> 00:49:14,293
Speaker 6: this sort of solo project.

983
00:49:14,413 --> 00:49:16,733
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, what was your impression of it? I

984
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:18,853
Speaker 2: always think MOMD is like a it's kind of hard

985
00:49:18,853 --> 00:49:21,533
Speaker 2: to describe in a scene, so it is.

986
00:49:21,693 --> 00:49:24,493
Speaker 6: I mean, genuinely, it was one of the most beautiful

987
00:49:25,013 --> 00:49:30,293
Speaker 6: festival experiences I've ever had. It was right after Yeah,

988
00:49:30,333 --> 00:49:33,133
Speaker 6: oh man, it was such a strange time. It was

989
00:49:33,133 --> 00:49:37,293
Speaker 6: a really beautiful weekend and I I'm really happy.

990
00:49:37,013 --> 00:49:38,213
Speaker 12: To get to do it with the band.

991
00:49:38,293 --> 00:49:39,773
Speaker 6: I was sort of doing it and with the solo

992
00:49:39,853 --> 00:49:41,893
Speaker 6: thing it was a sort of quieter affair.

993
00:49:42,973 --> 00:49:44,733
Speaker 12: But yeah, as I say.

994
00:49:44,613 --> 00:49:46,213
Speaker 6: I think this will just be the perfect place for

995
00:49:46,573 --> 00:49:47,773
Speaker 6: what we're going to do with this show.

996
00:49:48,013 --> 00:49:49,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, And am I right in thinking you are? As

997
00:49:49,893 --> 00:49:52,213
Speaker 2: well as touring with the band, you'd also do some

998
00:49:52,253 --> 00:49:53,293
Speaker 2: new solo music pit.

999
00:49:55,133 --> 00:49:55,373
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1000
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:58,693
Speaker 6: I mean, I've always got a few irons in the fire,

1001
00:49:58,933 --> 00:50:01,573
Speaker 6: but right now it's all it's all about the veils again,

1002
00:50:01,653 --> 00:50:04,453
Speaker 6: and I'm really enjoying being back in that in that world.

1003
00:50:05,133 --> 00:50:07,453
Speaker 2: Well, we're delighted that you're going to performing at WOMAD.

1004
00:50:07,453 --> 00:50:10,573
Speaker 2: That is such exciting news. All the very best for

1005
00:50:10,693 --> 00:50:12,973
Speaker 2: the months in between for the release of Affidels for

1006
00:50:13,213 --> 00:50:15,133
Speaker 2: your tour through Europe and we look forward to seeing

1007
00:50:15,133 --> 00:50:16,093
Speaker 2: you performing in March.

1008
00:50:16,573 --> 00:50:18,453
Speaker 12: Cheers, Jack, thanks very much, really.

1009
00:50:18,213 --> 00:50:21,573
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time. That is Fin Andrews, the frontman of

1010
00:50:21,773 --> 00:50:25,813
Speaker 2: the Veils and fantastic news. We have a double pass

1011
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:29,413
Speaker 2: plus a camping for three day festival tickets valued at

1012
00:50:29,493 --> 00:50:31,933
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1013
00:50:32,413 --> 00:50:36,773
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1014
00:50:36,893 --> 00:50:42,093
Speaker 2: womad womad to ninety two ninety two and you'll be

1015
00:50:42,133 --> 00:50:44,653
Speaker 2: in the draw. Just that prize again, a Womad double

1016
00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:48,773
Speaker 2: plus including camping three day festival tickets valued at almost

1017
00:50:48,813 --> 00:50:52,373
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars. That is extraordinary. Your name plus Womad

1018
00:50:52,493 --> 00:50:54,893
Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two and you will be in the draw.

1019
00:50:55,333 --> 00:50:57,493
Speaker 2: Right now, it is nineteen minutes past ten. You with

1020
00:50:57,533 --> 00:51:00,533
Speaker 2: Jack Tamee. It's Saturday morning. This is Newstalk Z'B.

1021
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1024
00:51:11,773 --> 00:51:15,013
Speaker 2: Finnandrews from the Veils not only writes amazing music, performs

1025
00:51:15,013 --> 00:51:18,733
Speaker 2: incredible music. He has such nice diction, doesn't he such

1026
00:51:18,733 --> 00:51:21,013
Speaker 2: a nice diction? I tell you what, Fin Andrews would

1027
00:51:21,013 --> 00:51:23,973
Speaker 2: not be saying wolves for the plural of wolves of

1028
00:51:24,013 --> 00:51:28,213
Speaker 2: a wolf. He would not be saying wolves too right. Anyway,

1029
00:51:28,213 --> 00:51:29,253
Speaker 2: if you want to get to touch this one in

1030
00:51:29,333 --> 00:51:31,693
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1031
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1032
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1033
00:51:38,853 --> 00:51:41,173
Speaker 2: She's our screen time expert with us this time every

1034
00:51:41,213 --> 00:51:44,293
Speaker 2: week with her recommendations for shows to watch or stream

1035
00:51:44,333 --> 00:51:47,533
Speaker 2: at home. Got to Tara, good morning. So when I

1036
00:51:47,573 --> 00:51:50,093
Speaker 2: was a kid, I was a huge OC fan, which

1037
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:51,373
Speaker 2: I know is a bit weird. That's kind of like

1038
00:51:51,413 --> 00:51:55,533
Speaker 2: my secret, you know, my embarrassing show crush kind of thing, right,

1039
00:51:55,573 --> 00:51:59,013
Speaker 2: you know. And anyway, I remember when the OC was

1040
00:51:59,013 --> 00:52:01,773
Speaker 2: around that Adam Brody was the one that all the

1041
00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:05,053
Speaker 2: girls had a crush on. He was a heart throb,

1042
00:52:05,133 --> 00:52:07,333
Speaker 2: and he sort of disappeared for the last five or

1043
00:52:07,333 --> 00:52:10,413
Speaker 2: ten years. But now he is back alongside Kristin Bell

1044
00:52:10,653 --> 00:52:13,973
Speaker 2: in Netflix's Nobody Wants This So tell us about it?

1045
00:52:14,413 --> 00:52:17,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, this is a new romantic comedy series. It's just

1046
00:52:17,053 --> 00:52:19,533
Speaker 14: hit Netflix and as you say, stars Adam Brody and

1047
00:52:19,653 --> 00:52:22,373
Speaker 14: Kristin Bell as well, who was another star of a

1048
00:52:22,493 --> 00:52:27,013
Speaker 14: nineteen nineties TV show of Veronica mars So. Kristin Bell

1049
00:52:27,173 --> 00:52:30,853
Speaker 14: plays a podcaster in this who's a relationship expert. She's

1050
00:52:30,853 --> 00:52:34,093
Speaker 14: a pretty cynical character. And Adam Brody plays a rabbi

1051
00:52:34,093 --> 00:52:36,333
Speaker 14: who's just broken up with his girlfriend, much to the

1052
00:52:36,373 --> 00:52:38,973
Speaker 14: disappointment of his family, and they meet at a dinner

1053
00:52:39,053 --> 00:52:41,253
Speaker 14: party and it's a case of opposites a tract. The

1054
00:52:41,293 --> 00:52:45,253
Speaker 14: connection is instant, but obviously, as you would expect with

1055
00:52:45,373 --> 00:52:47,813
Speaker 14: any good rob coom, there are obstacles in the way

1056
00:52:47,853 --> 00:52:50,613
Speaker 14: of their love affair, and here it's about culture and

1057
00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:53,853
Speaker 14: faith and family, and there's a great supporting cast here

1058
00:52:53,853 --> 00:52:55,933
Speaker 14: as well, of family and friends who all have their

1059
00:52:55,973 --> 00:53:00,533
Speaker 14: own opinions about this relationship. I like this a lot

1060
00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:02,573
Speaker 14: because it's a rom com. You know where you are

1061
00:53:02,613 --> 00:53:04,893
Speaker 14: with this. There's a certain number of boxes that you

1062
00:53:04,933 --> 00:53:07,133
Speaker 14: want a rom com to tick, and this does all

1063
00:53:07,133 --> 00:53:07,373
Speaker 14: of that.

1064
00:53:08,053 --> 00:53:09,213
Speaker 18: But it also feels.

1065
00:53:08,973 --> 00:53:12,893
Speaker 14: Very smart and snappy and funny and fresh. There's great

1066
00:53:12,973 --> 00:53:15,933
Speaker 14: chemistry between the two leads as well. And it's just

1067
00:53:15,973 --> 00:53:17,893
Speaker 14: one of those shows that's really easy to watch. It's

1068
00:53:17,933 --> 00:53:20,493
Speaker 14: not perfect, but it's the kind of show that's easy

1069
00:53:20,493 --> 00:53:22,733
Speaker 14: to slip into and enjoy and you can just happily

1070
00:53:22,773 --> 00:53:24,613
Speaker 14: binge your way through all ten episodes.

1071
00:53:24,733 --> 00:53:27,573
Speaker 2: Cool, Okay, that sounds good. There's nobody wants this. It's

1072
00:53:27,613 --> 00:53:31,013
Speaker 2: on Netflix, on TV and Z Plus a new season

1073
00:53:31,213 --> 00:53:32,533
Speaker 2: of From.

1074
00:53:32,973 --> 00:53:35,893
Speaker 14: Yees switching tack entirely here. This is From which is

1075
00:53:36,053 --> 00:53:38,813
Speaker 14: an American horror thriller, and the third season has just

1076
00:53:38,893 --> 00:53:41,373
Speaker 14: landed on TV and Z Plus. Now, horror is not

1077
00:53:41,613 --> 00:53:44,293
Speaker 14: a genre of TV that I naturally gravitate towards. It's

1078
00:53:44,333 --> 00:53:47,013
Speaker 14: a bit too stressful for me. But everyone I know

1079
00:53:47,653 --> 00:53:50,173
Speaker 14: who watches this kind of TV and who has watched

1080
00:53:50,213 --> 00:53:53,133
Speaker 14: From has really raved about this show. It's made by

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00:53:53,173 --> 00:53:56,373
Speaker 14: some of the team behind the TV show Lost. Set

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00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:59,693
Speaker 14: in an isolated village where strange things happen at night,

1083
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:02,653
Speaker 14: so the villagers aren't safe if they aren't inside their

1084
00:54:02,693 --> 00:54:05,733
Speaker 14: house at night, and nobody can ever leave the village.

1085
00:54:05,773 --> 00:54:07,773
Speaker 14: The road just keeps bringing them back to where they

1086
00:54:07,813 --> 00:54:10,213
Speaker 14: came from. And this is the puzzle of the show.

1087
00:54:10,253 --> 00:54:12,813
Speaker 14: What is the secret in this town? Who are these

1088
00:54:12,853 --> 00:54:15,173
Speaker 14: strange people who turn up at night and why can't

1089
00:54:15,173 --> 00:54:18,133
Speaker 14: anyone ever leave? So it's a mix of horror and

1090
00:54:18,293 --> 00:54:22,333
Speaker 14: mystery and psychological thriller and you know, but like Lost,

1091
00:54:22,413 --> 00:54:25,213
Speaker 14: this is a show where lots of weird things will happen,

1092
00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:28,693
Speaker 14: things won't make sense. There's you know, lots of subplots

1093
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:30,653
Speaker 14: that are all connected somehow, but you just kind of

1094
00:54:30,693 --> 00:54:32,853
Speaker 14: got to roll with it rather than trying to make

1095
00:54:32,893 --> 00:54:34,893
Speaker 14: sense of it all. You might never get the answers

1096
00:54:34,893 --> 00:54:37,133
Speaker 14: that you're looking for here. So I think if you're

1097
00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:39,933
Speaker 14: a fan of something like The Walking Dead, or if

1098
00:54:39,933 --> 00:54:42,093
Speaker 14: you wish Lost had had a bit more gore and

1099
00:54:42,133 --> 00:54:43,933
Speaker 14: guts in it, this will be right up your own.

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00:54:44,173 --> 00:54:47,613
Speaker 2: So that is a great analogy. Do you remember, like,

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00:54:48,093 --> 00:54:51,053
Speaker 2: did you watch Lost live? Sorry this is a slight digression,

1102
00:54:51,053 --> 00:54:52,773
Speaker 2: but do you watch Lost live when it was on

1103
00:54:52,853 --> 00:54:53,413
Speaker 2: back in the day.

1104
00:54:53,693 --> 00:54:55,173
Speaker 14: I don't think I did, but I know a lot

1105
00:54:55,173 --> 00:54:57,773
Speaker 14: of people were really unhappy with how it finished because

1106
00:54:57,773 --> 00:54:59,253
Speaker 14: they didn't get all the answers that they.

1107
00:54:59,133 --> 00:54:59,733
Speaker 18: Were looking for.

1108
00:54:59,773 --> 00:55:03,053
Speaker 2: I feel like I invested five good years of my

1109
00:55:03,093 --> 00:55:06,213
Speaker 2: life in that program and I and I mean really deeply.

1110
00:55:06,773 --> 00:55:09,093
Speaker 2: I've watched it every week and this is back before streaming,

1111
00:55:09,133 --> 00:55:11,373
Speaker 2: So you're watching the TV live, you know, seven thirty

1112
00:55:11,373 --> 00:55:13,573
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night or whatever. You'd sit down and watch

1113
00:55:13,613 --> 00:55:15,453
Speaker 2: the TV. I used to watch them and go, oh

1114
00:55:15,533 --> 00:55:18,133
Speaker 2: my gosh, I can't believe this. I can't believe this development.

1115
00:55:18,173 --> 00:55:19,493
Speaker 2: And I always be like, how are they going to

1116
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:21,973
Speaker 2: explain this? How are they going to explain this? And

1117
00:55:21,973 --> 00:55:23,173
Speaker 2: then at the end it was like, oh no, They're

1118
00:55:23,213 --> 00:55:26,133
Speaker 2: just not going to explain it. Yeah, still wasted, profoundly

1119
00:55:26,213 --> 00:55:30,893
Speaker 2: unsatisfying anyway. So that's from That's on TV. So if

1120
00:55:30,933 --> 00:55:34,293
Speaker 2: you love being unsatisfied by scurity shows, then you're gonna

1121
00:55:34,373 --> 00:55:36,613
Speaker 2: love from It's on TV and Z Plus. I'm joking,

1122
00:55:36,653 --> 00:55:39,333
Speaker 2: I'm being facetious, a show that I know will be

1123
00:55:39,413 --> 00:55:44,773
Speaker 2: deeply satisfying though, starring New Zealand's own Beyonce and Jay,

1124
00:55:44,973 --> 00:55:47,733
Speaker 2: Scotty and Stacy Morrison on TV and Z plus tell

1125
00:55:47,813 --> 00:55:49,173
Speaker 2: Us about National Treasures.

1126
00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:53,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, this is a really really lovely local TV documentary

1127
00:55:53,013 --> 00:55:55,493
Speaker 14: series that started on Tuesdays on TV ands one a

1128
00:55:55,493 --> 00:55:57,693
Speaker 14: couple of weeks ago. But it's also on TVNZ Plus

1129
00:55:57,693 --> 00:55:59,653
Speaker 14: if you want to catch up. And as you say,

1130
00:55:59,693 --> 00:56:03,493
Speaker 14: it's hosted by Scotty and Stacey Morrison, both National Treasures themselves,

1131
00:56:03,533 --> 00:56:05,933
Speaker 14: I think, who are joined by a team of experts

1132
00:56:05,973 --> 00:56:10,053
Speaker 14: and it's a show that showcases different historical items and

1133
00:56:10,213 --> 00:56:13,733
Speaker 14: tunga from New Zealand history, and each of them tells

1134
00:56:13,773 --> 00:56:16,213
Speaker 14: a story that shows us who we are in lots

1135
00:56:16,213 --> 00:56:19,813
Speaker 14: of really fascinating ways. And this season there's everything from

1136
00:56:19,933 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 14: an iron lung to Ruby Tey's World cup metal to

1137
00:56:23,253 --> 00:56:25,693
Speaker 14: the puppet thingy. You know, it's a really a mix

1138
00:56:25,733 --> 00:56:28,693
Speaker 14: of objects. And what I think this show does really

1139
00:56:28,733 --> 00:56:33,653
Speaker 14: beautiful beautifully is showcase how an ordinary, everyday item can

1140
00:56:33,733 --> 00:56:36,333
Speaker 14: be so special and important and how it has this

1141
00:56:36,853 --> 00:56:40,013
Speaker 14: unique history behind it that reflects who we were at

1142
00:56:40,013 --> 00:56:42,533
Speaker 14: a certain point in time. And it's the human stories

1143
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:45,693
Speaker 14: with these objects that really bring them, these treasures to life.

1144
00:56:45,733 --> 00:56:46,013
Speaker 7: Again.

1145
00:56:46,893 --> 00:56:50,093
Speaker 14: It's emotional, it's uplifting. I just think it's a show

1146
00:56:50,093 --> 00:56:51,453
Speaker 14: that everyone in New Zealand should watch.

1147
00:56:51,493 --> 00:56:54,373
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic Okay, So that is National Treasures on TVNZ

1148
00:56:54,533 --> 00:56:56,973
Speaker 2: plus Atara Before you go, it would be remiss of

1149
00:56:57,093 --> 00:57:00,253
Speaker 2: us not to mention very sad news from the UK

1150
00:57:00,493 --> 00:57:04,453
Speaker 2: overnight after an incredible life the death of Oscar winning

1151
00:57:04,453 --> 00:57:07,893
Speaker 2: British actor Maggie Smith of Downtown Abbey. Of course it's

1152
00:57:08,333 --> 00:57:09,373
Speaker 2: a bit of sad news.

1153
00:57:09,453 --> 00:57:11,693
Speaker 14: Ah, absolutely, and what an icon.

1154
00:57:11,733 --> 00:57:11,973
Speaker 4: I mean.

1155
00:57:12,013 --> 00:57:15,133
Speaker 14: I loved her in Downton Abbey, my kids loved her,

1156
00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:18,013
Speaker 14: and Harry Potter. She's kind of you know, means so

1157
00:57:18,133 --> 00:57:20,453
Speaker 14: much to so many different generations. And just you know,

1158
00:57:20,533 --> 00:57:23,893
Speaker 14: we're talking about national treasures. She's a British national treasure,

1159
00:57:23,933 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 14: I think, And yeah, just left such a beautiful legacy

1160
00:57:27,333 --> 00:57:30,093
Speaker 14: on TV for us all too. Yeah, it's a treasure.

1161
00:57:30,213 --> 00:57:32,413
Speaker 2: I totally agree. In fact, I've got a quote here

1162
00:57:32,453 --> 00:57:34,813
Speaker 2: from King Charles. He put out a little statement before

1163
00:57:34,813 --> 00:57:37,093
Speaker 2: he said this quite quote. My wife and I were

1164
00:57:37,093 --> 00:57:38,693
Speaker 2: deeply sad and to learn of the death of Dave

1165
00:57:38,733 --> 00:57:41,813
Speaker 2: Maggie Smith. As the curtain comes down on a national treasure,

1166
00:57:42,213 --> 00:57:44,573
Speaker 2: we join all those around the world and remembering with

1167
00:57:44,613 --> 00:57:48,053
Speaker 2: the fondest admiration and affection her many great performances, who

1168
00:57:48,173 --> 00:57:51,133
Speaker 2: warmth and wit shone through both on and off the stage.

1169
00:57:51,173 --> 00:57:54,493
Speaker 2: So that's nice. Yeah, yeah, Hey, thanks, Tarah, really good

1170
00:57:54,533 --> 00:57:57,253
Speaker 2: to chat. Tara Ward is our screen time expert. Her

1171
00:57:57,293 --> 00:58:00,093
Speaker 2: picks for us this week Nobody Wants This That's on Netflix,

1172
00:58:00,453 --> 00:58:03,573
Speaker 2: from is on TV and Z Plus and National Treasures

1173
00:58:03,653 --> 00:58:05,613
Speaker 2: that's the one with Stacey and Scotti that is also

1174
00:58:05,773 --> 00:58:09,213
Speaker 2: on TV Plus. It's just coming up to ten thirty.

1175
00:58:13,053 --> 00:58:14,693
Speaker 4: Getting your weekends started.

1176
00:58:14,893 --> 00:58:19,853
Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks by

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00:58:20,133 --> 00:58:21,453
Speaker 1: Folly here.

1178
00:58:24,373 --> 00:58:25,133
Speaker 2: A Budger.

1179
00:58:29,013 --> 00:58:29,493
Speaker 15: Would you.

1180
00:58:32,573 --> 00:58:35,813
Speaker 2: Just tal I feel like we're just turning back the

1181
00:58:35,813 --> 00:58:39,253
Speaker 2: hands of time this morning on Newstalks EB don't turn

1182
00:58:39,293 --> 00:58:46,213
Speaker 2: it down, baby, this is snow Patrol and chasing cars.

1183
00:58:46,293 --> 00:58:48,133
Speaker 2: Do you remember when this was on the last episode

1184
00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:52,013
Speaker 2: of Gray's Anatomy. That was a mad emotional time that

1185
00:58:52,133 --> 00:58:58,213
Speaker 2: was heavy. There was some deep stuff. Anyway, Snow Patroller back.

1186
00:58:58,333 --> 00:59:00,813
Speaker 2: They've got a brand new album and get this, it's

1187
00:59:00,813 --> 00:59:03,053
Speaker 2: put them back at number one for the first time

1188
00:59:03,213 --> 00:59:07,733
Speaker 2: in eighteen years. A lot has happened in the six

1189
00:59:07,853 --> 00:59:11,253
Speaker 2: years since the last Snow Patrol album. The band became

1190
00:59:11,293 --> 00:59:14,933
Speaker 2: a trio. Front man Gary Lightbody received an OBE for

1191
00:59:14,973 --> 00:59:18,373
Speaker 2: Services to music. Guitaris Nathan Conley released a solo album,

1192
00:59:18,413 --> 00:59:22,493
Speaker 2: and band all rounder Johnny McDade has written pop mega

1193
00:59:22,573 --> 00:59:26,053
Speaker 2: hits for the likes of Ed Sheeran, Keith Urban, Sewan Mendez,

1194
00:59:26,253 --> 00:59:30,093
Speaker 2: Calie Clarkson and Alisha Keys. Anyway, they've got a new album.

1195
00:59:30,253 --> 00:59:34,253
Speaker 2: It's called The Forest is the Path. It's their eighth

1196
00:59:34,493 --> 00:59:37,973
Speaker 2: studio album, And after eleven o'clock we're gonna have a

1197
00:59:37,973 --> 00:59:40,293
Speaker 2: bit of a listen before midday, we will make sure

1198
00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:43,413
Speaker 2: I'll do my very best to be a bit more

1199
00:59:43,493 --> 00:59:45,373
Speaker 2: organized with my timing so that we've got time to

1200
00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:47,493
Speaker 2: play a couple of songs from that Snow Patrol album,

1201
00:59:47,493 --> 00:59:48,813
Speaker 2: because I know a lot of people will be really

1202
00:59:48,813 --> 00:59:51,293
Speaker 2: excited about that as well as that after eleven o'clock

1203
00:59:51,333 --> 00:59:54,813
Speaker 2: this morning, Leanne Moriarty has a brand new book. Yes,

1204
00:59:54,853 --> 00:59:58,933
Speaker 2: she of Big Little Lies, Nine Perfect Strangers, Apple's Never

1205
00:59:59,013 --> 01:00:01,533
Speaker 2: Fall Fame. She's got a brand new book. Our book

1206
01:00:01,573 --> 01:00:03,173
Speaker 2: reviewer has just read it, so she's going to give

1207
01:00:03,213 --> 01:00:06,373
Speaker 2: us her thoughts on that, plus all the details. Right now,

1208
01:00:06,613 --> 01:00:08,493
Speaker 2: it is twenty seven minutes to eleven.

1209
01:00:09,693 --> 01:00:10,853
Speaker 9: All the big.

1210
01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:13,493
Speaker 4: Names are wrong, the mic Hosking Breakfast.

1211
01:00:13,133 --> 01:00:15,453
Speaker 19: The confirmation that Liam Lawson has made it to F

1212
01:00:15,533 --> 01:00:18,093
Speaker 19: one in his own seat, his own drive.

1213
01:00:18,213 --> 01:00:19,453
Speaker 12: Liam Lawson is with us.

1214
01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:21,813
Speaker 19: I assume you have some idea of how thrilled we

1215
01:00:21,853 --> 01:00:23,773
Speaker 19: all are for you. All we can do is wish

1216
01:00:23,813 --> 01:00:26,893
Speaker 19: you the very very best and think it's just magnificent news.

1217
01:00:26,933 --> 01:00:29,333
Speaker 20: Thank you, and everybody listening, and so everybody who's stuck

1218
01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:31,093
Speaker 20: with me for all the years leading up to this,

1219
01:00:31,293 --> 01:00:33,973
Speaker 20: thank you, because obviously it's a huge journey, and for me,

1220
01:00:34,053 --> 01:00:35,613
Speaker 20: this is what I've dreamed of doing since I was

1221
01:00:35,613 --> 01:00:37,813
Speaker 20: a kid. So obviously now we have another amounts to

1222
01:00:37,853 --> 01:00:40,533
Speaker 20: climb going into the season and hopefully driving next year

1223
01:00:40,573 --> 01:00:42,373
Speaker 20: as well. Hopefully this is the start of fall on

1224
01:00:42,453 --> 01:00:43,653
Speaker 20: for me. But I just want to say thank you

1225
01:00:43,733 --> 01:00:45,453
Speaker 20: to everybody because I appreciate it a lot.

1226
01:00:45,733 --> 01:00:48,813
Speaker 19: Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

1227
01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:51,093
Speaker 19: the Jaguary News Talk ZB.

1228
01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:53,373
Speaker 2: Twenty four to ten on News Talk ZEDB, we've been

1229
01:00:53,453 --> 01:00:57,613
Speaker 2: lamenting the film Wolfs and its choice of wolf's as

1230
01:00:57,613 --> 01:00:59,413
Speaker 2: opposed to wolves this morning, well, the very least I

1231
01:00:59,453 --> 01:01:02,733
Speaker 2: have and the incorrect use of s there for the

1232
01:01:02,733 --> 01:01:05,573
Speaker 2: plural and not the or of f s and not

1233
01:01:05,693 --> 01:01:10,333
Speaker 2: the lv es wolves. Anyway, feel like if you are

1234
01:01:10,373 --> 01:01:12,853
Speaker 2: okay with wolves, then you're probably the kind of person

1235
01:01:12,853 --> 01:01:15,693
Speaker 2: who's okay with saying daylight savings as well as opposed

1236
01:01:15,693 --> 01:01:19,933
Speaker 2: to daylight saving. Daylight saving tomorrow, of course, springtime is

1237
01:01:20,053 --> 01:01:22,453
Speaker 2: upon us, and so before eleven o'clock, Rouge Climb passed

1238
01:01:22,693 --> 01:01:24,333
Speaker 2: our man in the garden is going to be here

1239
01:01:24,373 --> 01:01:28,173
Speaker 2: with his spring planting tips right now, though, it's time

1240
01:01:28,173 --> 01:01:30,853
Speaker 2: to catch up with our texpert, Paul Stenhouse is here.

1241
01:01:30,973 --> 01:01:34,253
Speaker 2: Kill to Paul. Good morning, Jat. Okay, every time they

1242
01:01:34,253 --> 01:01:38,653
Speaker 2: have tried to introduce some techno glasses, some wearable that

1243
01:01:38,693 --> 01:01:41,013
Speaker 2: you put on your face in the digital age, it

1244
01:01:41,093 --> 01:01:45,453
Speaker 2: always seems to fail. So explain to me why you reckon.

1245
01:01:45,533 --> 01:01:48,213
Speaker 2: Maybe our next smartphone is going to be on our face.

1246
01:01:48,773 --> 01:01:54,173
Speaker 7: Yes, so Meta actually has made kind of these face glasses,

1247
01:01:54,213 --> 01:01:57,813
Speaker 7: if you will, kind of cool, right, Okay, may have

1248
01:01:57,853 --> 01:02:00,813
Speaker 7: some glasses. Okay, here, So I have a friend of mine,

1249
01:02:01,053 --> 01:02:04,693
Speaker 7: he's got the Meta ray Van sunglasses and he really

1250
01:02:04,813 --> 01:02:08,013
Speaker 7: likes them because they have an inbuilt speaker, and so

1251
01:02:08,053 --> 01:02:10,293
Speaker 7: you can be wearing your sunglasses and listening to your

1252
01:02:10,373 --> 01:02:12,613
Speaker 7: music and.

1253
01:02:12,133 --> 01:02:12,773
Speaker 2: They're right there.

1254
01:02:12,853 --> 01:02:14,733
Speaker 7: Now, does he use the camera that's built in?

1255
01:02:14,853 --> 01:02:15,733
Speaker 10: Does he use the ai?

1256
01:02:15,893 --> 01:02:18,253
Speaker 7: Okay, no, he uses it to listen to music. But

1257
01:02:18,333 --> 01:02:23,493
Speaker 7: it's a very good gateway, right because Bitter does believe that, yes,

1258
01:02:23,773 --> 01:02:26,693
Speaker 7: the future of our phone as it is now will

1259
01:02:26,693 --> 01:02:28,933
Speaker 7: we will wear it and we won't be looking at

1260
01:02:28,973 --> 01:02:33,133
Speaker 7: a screen, but the screen will just be embodied into

1261
01:02:33,133 --> 01:02:36,893
Speaker 7: our every day, and we'll be seeing holograms of information,

1262
01:02:37,373 --> 01:02:40,813
Speaker 7: maybe even avatars of our friends and colleagues, and of

1263
01:02:40,853 --> 01:02:43,813
Speaker 7: course Jack right there at our beacon core will be

1264
01:02:44,013 --> 01:02:46,253
Speaker 7: voice access to some AI two.

1265
01:02:46,773 --> 01:02:49,333
Speaker 15: And I will say that I know that.

1266
01:02:49,213 --> 01:02:51,013
Speaker 7: We've talked about this for a long time, and I

1267
01:02:51,053 --> 01:02:55,173
Speaker 7: will say the tech this time actually looks pretty good.

1268
01:02:55,213 --> 01:02:58,853
Speaker 7: First of all, I think the glasses actually look reasonably attractive.

1269
01:02:58,973 --> 01:03:01,733
Speaker 7: We're in a Google glass. They didn't look attraction that

1270
01:03:03,053 --> 01:03:07,293
Speaker 7: these ones, though reasonably lightweight. They have a projection screen

1271
01:03:07,373 --> 01:03:09,893
Speaker 7: that's a high enough quality you can actually do things

1272
01:03:09,933 --> 01:03:12,573
Speaker 7: like a video call on it, right, And they've got

1273
01:03:12,573 --> 01:03:15,493
Speaker 7: some pretty cool tech around it as well, including a

1274
01:03:15,493 --> 01:03:17,533
Speaker 7: wristband that you put on kind of looks like a

1275
01:03:17,533 --> 01:03:20,013
Speaker 7: fitbit without a screen or something like that, and it

1276
01:03:20,053 --> 01:03:23,373
Speaker 7: interprets your hand signals so you can do actions and gestures.

1277
01:03:23,773 --> 01:03:24,133
Speaker 2: Right.

1278
01:03:24,213 --> 01:03:28,453
Speaker 7: These new glasses that Meta has teased us and said

1279
01:03:28,453 --> 01:03:30,933
Speaker 7: these are going to be the future, the costing Meta

1280
01:03:31,333 --> 01:03:36,173
Speaker 7: ten thousand dollars each to produce, So.

1281
01:03:36,093 --> 01:03:38,773
Speaker 2: We're not the okay, okay, but they do believe that

1282
01:03:38,813 --> 01:03:39,813
Speaker 2: we are on the path.

1283
01:03:39,933 --> 01:03:42,333
Speaker 7: And I guess if you want to toaste the future,

1284
01:03:42,813 --> 01:03:44,693
Speaker 7: I guess the rayband sunglasses are the way to go

1285
01:03:44,733 --> 01:03:45,173
Speaker 7: for right now.

1286
01:03:45,253 --> 01:03:46,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So what we're going to do is

1287
01:03:46,813 --> 01:03:48,573
Speaker 2: we'll put a photo up online so that people can

1288
01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:49,973
Speaker 2: have a bit of a look. They do have a

1289
01:03:50,013 --> 01:03:54,253
Speaker 2: slight kind of Poindextery quality. The frames obviously, the fiddle

1290
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Speaker 2: of that technology inside them, the frames kind that gay.

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01:03:56,973 --> 01:04:01,293
Speaker 2: They come pretty chunky, a little Clark kink. Yes, they are.

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01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:03,013
Speaker 2: That's a that's a really good way. That's a really

1293
01:04:03,053 --> 01:04:06,653
Speaker 2: good way to put it. So what sort of time

1294
01:04:06,693 --> 01:04:09,053
Speaker 2: frame would we be talking if this was to be

1295
01:04:09,293 --> 01:04:11,853
Speaker 2: if these were to be produced for the masses, when

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01:04:11,893 --> 01:04:14,213
Speaker 2: do you reckon you know, it might be in a

1297
01:04:14,253 --> 01:04:16,133
Speaker 2: slightly more attainable price range.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think we're a.

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Speaker 7: Good couple of years away from this, right Yeah. Yeah,

1300
01:04:20,613 --> 01:04:22,853
Speaker 7: ten thousand dollars down to like one thousand dollars I

1301
01:04:22,853 --> 01:04:25,533
Speaker 7: think is going to take a little bit of time. Yeah,

1302
01:04:25,533 --> 01:04:27,853
Speaker 7: But Mark Sucondburg made a really funny point. Actually, he

1303
01:04:27,933 --> 01:04:31,013
Speaker 7: thought that the technology to do the kind of projection

1304
01:04:31,253 --> 01:04:35,133
Speaker 7: and the holograms and all that stuff would be before

1305
01:04:35,253 --> 01:04:37,733
Speaker 7: the AI, and it's actually turned out to be the

1306
01:04:37,773 --> 01:04:38,333
Speaker 7: other way around.

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01:04:38,373 --> 01:04:39,973
Speaker 4: The AI has managed to.

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01:04:39,893 --> 01:04:44,253
Speaker 2: Beat interesting the other piece. Yeah, Okay, oh that's really interesting. Now,

1309
01:04:44,293 --> 01:04:47,813
Speaker 2: will a wildfire take out your dream home in the US.

1310
01:04:47,853 --> 01:04:49,973
Speaker 2: Now you can go to the kind of the American

1311
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:52,573
Speaker 2: equivalent of one Roof and find out.

1312
01:04:53,493 --> 01:04:54,053
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So Zillo is the website over here that people go to,

1314
01:04:57,173 --> 01:04:58,973
Speaker 7: and Zillo has been a real leader.

1315
01:04:59,013 --> 01:05:00,253
Speaker 10: They have they're going to be called.

1316
01:05:00,013 --> 01:05:02,253
Speaker 7: A zestamate, which is where they you know, work out

1317
01:05:02,293 --> 01:05:05,373
Speaker 7: based on market conditions and demand and other homes and

1318
01:05:05,373 --> 01:05:08,933
Speaker 7: all that good stuff home is worth. But now they're

1319
01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:12,373
Speaker 7: trying to figure out what could happen to your home,

1320
01:05:12,533 --> 01:05:16,973
Speaker 7: both in terms of climate disasters and your insurance cost

1321
01:05:17,093 --> 01:05:19,213
Speaker 7: over time. So it's going to look at your risk

1322
01:05:19,293 --> 01:05:23,013
Speaker 7: score for things like wildfires and flooding.

1323
01:05:22,773 --> 01:05:25,013
Speaker 2: Wow, high winds and poorer quality.

1324
01:05:25,293 --> 01:05:28,133
Speaker 7: So fun stat This hasn't rolled out quite yet. They're

1325
01:05:28,133 --> 01:05:29,453
Speaker 7: on the process of rolling it out. It should be

1326
01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:31,613
Speaker 7: rolled out before the end of the year. But of

1327
01:05:31,653 --> 01:05:34,013
Speaker 7: all of the new listings that they added in August,

1328
01:05:34,933 --> 01:05:38,373
Speaker 7: sixteen percent we're at a major risk of a wildfire

1329
01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:43,213
Speaker 7: and thirteen percent we're a major risk of flooding. So

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01:05:43,253 --> 01:05:45,133
Speaker 7: I think the insurance is going to get a little

1331
01:05:45,173 --> 01:05:46,493
Speaker 7: more expensive over time.

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Speaker 2: This yeah, yeah, that's remarkable. Okay, cool, Hey, thank you

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01:05:50,973 --> 01:05:53,853
Speaker 2: so much, Paul. We appreciate your time as always, catch us.

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Speaker 2: That's our Textburt Paul Steamhouse. We have had heaps and

1335
01:05:57,693 --> 01:06:00,413
Speaker 2: heaps and heaps of feedback this morning, gazillions of texts

1336
01:06:00,413 --> 01:06:03,613
Speaker 2: and emails regarding working from home standards, but also regarding

1337
01:06:03,613 --> 01:06:04,653
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson this week.

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Speaker 5: And I know.

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01:06:06,693 --> 01:06:08,293
Speaker 2: A lot has been said about what he has achieved,

1340
01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:10,773
Speaker 2: but it is really just such a remarkable achievement that

1341
01:06:10,773 --> 01:06:13,413
Speaker 2: I think it's worth luxuriating in that and pausing to

1342
01:06:13,453 --> 01:06:15,293
Speaker 2: reflect on it a bit more. We'll do that after

1343
01:06:15,293 --> 01:06:17,253
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock this morning. But Karen's fickless. The note to

1344
01:06:17,253 --> 01:06:20,693
Speaker 2: say Jack, Liam Lawson is an outstanding individual, a young

1345
01:06:20,733 --> 01:06:23,933
Speaker 2: man with resilience and bucket loads. What a tough environment,

1346
01:06:25,053 --> 01:06:27,653
Speaker 2: and you've got to remember that he's still not making

1347
01:06:27,653 --> 01:06:30,893
Speaker 2: gazillions of dollars. He needs to succeed and will be

1348
01:06:30,973 --> 01:06:33,693
Speaker 2: under pressure from day one. He'll certainly be under massive pressure.

1349
01:06:35,013 --> 01:06:38,973
Speaker 2: There's something that strikes me sometimes about motorsport races as well,

1350
01:06:39,013 --> 01:06:41,453
Speaker 2: and I wonder if it's just the nature of the

1351
01:06:41,493 --> 01:06:43,413
Speaker 2: sport and what you need to do to succeed. In

1352
01:06:43,413 --> 01:06:45,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand, most of them. I'm sure it's not all

1353
01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:49,013
Speaker 2: of them, but most of them are just so nice

1354
01:06:49,253 --> 01:06:53,053
Speaker 2: in person. I wonder if that's because from the day

1355
01:06:53,093 --> 01:06:55,693
Speaker 2: they sat down in front of a steering wheel they

1356
01:06:55,733 --> 01:06:59,333
Speaker 2: have always relied on the support of others that've relied

1357
01:06:59,373 --> 01:07:01,853
Speaker 2: on sponsors and that kind of thing to get anywhere

1358
01:07:02,453 --> 01:07:08,333
Speaker 2: near competitive environment. That you know that that they are

1359
01:07:08,373 --> 01:07:11,413
Speaker 2: really aware of the importance of gratitude. I don't know,

1360
01:07:11,733 --> 01:07:14,013
Speaker 2: there's some there's something there, There's there's a there's a

1361
01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:16,453
Speaker 2: quality there that I think a lot of in my

1362
01:07:16,493 --> 01:07:18,133
Speaker 2: experience at the very lest a lot of a lot

1363
01:07:18,173 --> 01:07:20,493
Speaker 2: of motors bought races seem to have and certainly Liam

1364
01:07:20,533 --> 01:07:24,573
Speaker 2: Lawson has that kind of He's humble, but also yeah,

1365
01:07:25,093 --> 01:07:27,773
Speaker 2: you know, very very personable individual. Anyway, we're going to

1366
01:07:27,813 --> 01:07:30,293
Speaker 2: reflect on that incredible achievement a little bit more after

1367
01:07:30,333 --> 01:07:32,773
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock. Right now, it is eighteen to eleven.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 2: NB order to eleven on News Talks ZB. It's this

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01:07:44,973 --> 01:07:47,093
Speaker 2: time on Saturdays that we catch up with doctor Brian

1373
01:07:47,173 --> 01:07:50,533
Speaker 2: Betty to talk health in this morning, we are looking

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01:07:50,573 --> 01:07:53,173
Speaker 2: at abdominal hernias. Golder, Brian, Good.

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Speaker 21: To have you with us, Oh cure Jack Wells be here.

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01:07:55,853 --> 01:07:58,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start off with the basics. So what exactly

1377
01:07:58,853 --> 01:08:00,533
Speaker 2: is an abdominal hernia.

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01:08:01,773 --> 01:08:06,613
Speaker 21: Yeah, Look, it's where the abdominal cavity, which is where

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01:08:06,613 --> 01:08:10,173
Speaker 21: the stomach or the tummy sits. It's an internal part

1380
01:08:10,173 --> 01:08:12,613
Speaker 21: of the body which pushes through a weak part of

1381
01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:15,693
Speaker 21: your abdominal muscle wall. So usually in a bit of

1382
01:08:15,733 --> 01:08:19,053
Speaker 21: the intestine just pokes through where the muscle wall at

1383
01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:21,653
Speaker 21: the front of your stomach becomes a bit weak. Now,

1384
01:08:21,693 --> 01:08:24,853
Speaker 21: this creates a lump that you can often feel. Now,

1385
01:08:24,853 --> 01:08:27,933
Speaker 21: they're really really common, very common in men. We think

1386
01:08:28,013 --> 01:08:29,933
Speaker 21: up to twenty to twenty five percent a menu at

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01:08:29,933 --> 01:08:32,213
Speaker 21: some point in their lives may have one. And they

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01:08:32,253 --> 01:08:34,493
Speaker 21: can occur at any age, from sort of baby to

1389
01:08:34,573 --> 01:08:40,133
Speaker 21: our adults around elderly. Now, there's several different kinds. There's

1390
01:08:40,293 --> 01:08:42,293
Speaker 21: ones that are at the lower part of the abdomen.

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01:08:42,373 --> 01:08:44,773
Speaker 21: They poke into the groin, so the intestine pokes into

1392
01:08:44,813 --> 01:08:47,253
Speaker 21: the groin and we call that an anguine or hernia,

1393
01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:50,853
Speaker 21: and sometimes that actually pokes into the scrotum and it

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01:08:50,893 --> 01:08:53,893
Speaker 21: can cause a lump. They can poke into the top

1395
01:08:53,933 --> 01:08:56,813
Speaker 21: of the leg. We call that ephemeral or the front

1396
01:08:56,853 --> 01:09:00,173
Speaker 21: of the abdomen or the stomach and around the umbilical

1397
01:09:00,413 --> 01:09:04,453
Speaker 21: umbilical or the belly button in particular, and we call

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01:09:04,533 --> 01:09:06,373
Speaker 21: that a ventral hernia. So you will find a little

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01:09:06,453 --> 01:09:09,413
Speaker 21: lump that starts to poke out there. So they really

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01:09:09,413 --> 01:09:12,493
Speaker 21: really common occur around the abdomen and they cause these

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01:09:12,533 --> 01:09:15,213
Speaker 21: little lumps of people start to notice.

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01:09:15,093 --> 01:09:18,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sound really uncomfortable. Unfortunately, not of experience one

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01:09:18,613 --> 01:09:21,733
Speaker 2: that I know plenty of people who have over the years.

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01:09:21,733 --> 01:09:22,733
Speaker 2: What causes them?

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01:09:22,773 --> 01:09:26,973
Speaker 21: Right, Yeah, look, so lots of different things. So, look,

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01:09:27,013 --> 01:09:29,773
Speaker 21: if you're carrying a bit of extra weight and you're overweight,

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01:09:29,813 --> 01:09:33,093
Speaker 21: that tends to put extra pressure on the muscles around

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01:09:33,133 --> 01:09:35,253
Speaker 21: the abdomen, and that can weaken them and cause a

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01:09:35,253 --> 01:09:38,813
Speaker 21: her neit to call call a curb. You know, if

1410
01:09:38,853 --> 01:09:41,093
Speaker 21: you cough or sneeze a lot again, that puts pressure

1411
01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:44,693
Speaker 21: on the abdomen and can cause a weakness to develop. Constipation,

1412
01:09:44,853 --> 01:09:47,933
Speaker 21: interestingly enough, can cause it. So if you're straining to

1413
01:09:48,013 --> 01:09:51,933
Speaker 21: pass bowel motions, that can cause the stomach wall weakness

1414
01:09:52,253 --> 01:09:54,933
Speaker 21: and actually pregnancy is the other one. So look, if

1415
01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:57,733
Speaker 21: you're pregnanty carrying baby, that puts a lot of pressure

1416
01:09:57,733 --> 01:10:00,853
Speaker 21: on the abdomen. Now, the other big, big one is

1417
01:10:00,893 --> 01:10:04,493
Speaker 21: actually work, So lifting the wrong way. So you suddenly

1418
01:10:04,493 --> 01:10:07,733
Speaker 21: lift something, you suddenly tear the muscle wall and the

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01:10:07,773 --> 01:10:10,933
Speaker 21: hernia develops. And that's a really really common way of

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01:10:10,973 --> 01:10:13,533
Speaker 21: these occurring. And in those cases it's actually covered by

1421
01:10:13,533 --> 01:10:17,293
Speaker 21: a CCD AT treatments. So yeah, lifting, lifting heavy things

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01:10:17,293 --> 01:10:19,173
Speaker 21: in the wrong way can be a real real problem

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01:10:19,413 --> 01:10:20,573
Speaker 21: with hernia's developing.

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01:10:21,573 --> 01:10:23,813
Speaker 2: I don't expect you to know this. This is a

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01:10:23,893 --> 01:10:26,853
Speaker 2: random question, but I was watching some weightlifting the other day.

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01:10:26,933 --> 01:10:29,973
Speaker 2: You know how the weightlifters put on those belts when

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01:10:30,013 --> 01:10:31,693
Speaker 2: they're about to lift a really heavy weight. Is it

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01:10:31,733 --> 01:10:32,373
Speaker 2: for hernias?

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01:10:33,053 --> 01:10:34,693
Speaker 21: Yeah, so that's one of the reasons I do it.

1430
01:10:34,773 --> 01:10:37,453
Speaker 21: So I give you extra protection around the walls and

1431
01:10:37,533 --> 01:10:41,253
Speaker 21: things so that you know you're not really you're not pressure.

1432
01:10:42,173 --> 01:10:44,893
Speaker 21: Yeah yeah, otherwise pressure builds up and can pop out,

1433
01:10:44,933 --> 01:10:46,973
Speaker 21: and that's a real problem for weightlifters.

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01:10:47,173 --> 01:10:48,453
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, very good.

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01:10:48,613 --> 01:10:51,173
Speaker 2: Sorry little digression there. What do we look out for?

1436
01:10:52,173 --> 01:10:54,293
Speaker 2: And I mean, are they serious?

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01:10:55,293 --> 01:10:55,493
Speaker 4: Look?

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01:10:55,533 --> 01:10:58,573
Speaker 21: Look known most of them aren't serious and the commonest

1439
01:10:58,573 --> 01:11:01,013
Speaker 21: thing I say, we see this commonly in general practice

1440
01:11:01,013 --> 01:11:03,733
Speaker 21: as GPS, and people will often come in and say, look,

1441
01:11:03,933 --> 01:11:06,173
Speaker 21: I've just noticed this little lump in my stomach, and

1442
01:11:06,213 --> 01:11:08,853
Speaker 21: I'll point to where it is. Or the other thing

1443
01:11:08,893 --> 01:11:12,333
Speaker 21: they complain of is, look, I've just noticed this uncomfortable

1444
01:11:12,333 --> 01:11:15,773
Speaker 21: feeling or the slight pain, especially when I bend over

1445
01:11:15,933 --> 01:11:18,813
Speaker 21: or sort of lift things. And again people can point

1446
01:11:18,813 --> 01:11:22,653
Speaker 21: to where exactly it is. And so generally we have

1447
01:11:22,693 --> 01:11:25,493
Speaker 21: a look for them. And they're very small, and if

1448
01:11:25,493 --> 01:11:27,613
Speaker 21: you can feel the lump, they often pop out and

1449
01:11:27,613 --> 01:11:29,653
Speaker 21: you can push them back in so they can come out.

1450
01:11:29,653 --> 01:11:31,693
Speaker 21: They call reducible. They come out and in, but you

1451
01:11:31,693 --> 01:11:34,973
Speaker 21: can feel where they actually are. Now, over time they

1452
01:11:35,013 --> 01:11:38,413
Speaker 21: can become bigger and they can cause more discomfort and

1453
01:11:38,453 --> 01:11:41,133
Speaker 21: they can cause more pain, and in those situations we

1454
01:11:41,453 --> 01:11:45,573
Speaker 21: need to get them treated. And the one serious thing,

1455
01:11:45,573 --> 01:11:48,773
Speaker 21: which is quite uncommon, which can occur, the intestine pops

1456
01:11:48,813 --> 01:11:51,533
Speaker 21: out and you suddenly can't push it back in and

1457
01:11:51,613 --> 01:11:55,453
Speaker 21: it becomes what we call irreducible. Now, in those situations,

1458
01:11:55,493 --> 01:11:59,533
Speaker 21: the vowel can twist of it suddenly become very painful,

1459
01:12:00,893 --> 01:12:04,053
Speaker 21: can develop a temperature and very tender to touch, and

1460
01:12:04,093 --> 01:12:06,333
Speaker 21: in those situations you do need to see a doctor

1461
01:12:06,493 --> 01:12:09,253
Speaker 21: straight away to get urgent treatment. So that's the one

1462
01:12:09,293 --> 01:12:11,973
Speaker 21: complication that we do watch out for.

1463
01:12:12,413 --> 01:12:13,733
Speaker 2: And what do you do about.

1464
01:12:14,733 --> 01:12:16,653
Speaker 21: Yeah, So, look, if someone comes in to see me

1465
01:12:16,973 --> 01:12:20,013
Speaker 21: at the surgery, Look, we take a history and examination,

1466
01:12:20,133 --> 01:12:23,293
Speaker 21: We examine the patient, look for the hernia. Occasionally we'll

1467
01:12:23,413 --> 01:12:27,093
Speaker 21: order an ultrasound which shows up the hernia. It's like

1468
01:12:27,093 --> 01:12:29,213
Speaker 21: a little test we do to see that it's there.

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01:12:29,853 --> 01:12:30,053
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:12:30,053 --> 01:12:32,653
Speaker 21: Look, if it's very small and not causing any problems,

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01:12:32,653 --> 01:12:34,613
Speaker 21: we just watch and wait. There's no point in doing

1472
01:12:34,653 --> 01:12:37,813
Speaker 21: anything if it's not causing problems. However, if over time

1473
01:12:37,853 --> 01:12:41,173
Speaker 21: it becomes bigger, causes a bit more discomfort, bit more pain,

1474
01:12:41,733 --> 01:12:44,773
Speaker 21: we refer you to a general surgeon to get an operation. Now,

1475
01:12:44,813 --> 01:12:49,053
Speaker 21: the operations are redd these days, are often done through keyholes,

1476
01:12:49,093 --> 01:12:52,013
Speaker 21: little laparoscopes, and they put in a number of stitches

1477
01:12:52,013 --> 01:12:54,813
Speaker 21: to seal the muscle wall, or they put in what

1478
01:12:54,853 --> 01:12:57,733
Speaker 21: we call a mesh to go over the hernia and

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01:12:57,773 --> 01:13:01,933
Speaker 21: stop it happening. So look, very easy to picture general surgery.

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01:13:02,013 --> 01:13:05,173
Speaker 21: Day surgery, you're in and out, the problems fixed. I

1481
01:13:05,213 --> 01:13:07,573
Speaker 21: suppose the other thing is if they are there. We

1482
01:13:07,613 --> 01:13:11,373
Speaker 21: often advise people things like, look, don't become constanped increases

1483
01:13:11,413 --> 01:13:14,133
Speaker 21: your risk. Try to keep the weight off because that

1484
01:13:14,213 --> 01:13:17,333
Speaker 21: increases the risk. And actually be really really careful with

1485
01:13:17,453 --> 01:13:20,933
Speaker 21: lifting heavy weights like your weightlifter h real cliping Ben

1486
01:13:21,013 --> 01:13:22,293
Speaker 21: with your knees, not with your back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, thank you very much, Brian, appreciate that as always,

1488
01:13:25,253 --> 01:13:28,253
Speaker 2: doctor Brian bending Jack. Weightlifters also use the belt so

1489
01:13:28,293 --> 01:13:31,493
Speaker 2: they can embrace their abdominal muscles against something like pushing out.

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01:13:32,293 --> 01:13:34,173
Speaker 2: You can tell that I don't do a lot of weightlifting.

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01:13:35,733 --> 01:13:37,413
Speaker 2: I guess you've never bumped into me on the street.

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01:13:37,453 --> 01:13:39,493
Speaker 2: That it's not gonna come as a huge surprise. Right

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01:13:39,533 --> 01:13:42,013
Speaker 2: now is nine minutes to eleven. Rude climb past is

1494
01:13:42,133 --> 01:13:45,453
Speaker 2: planting spring planting for us next.

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01:13:46,573 --> 01:13:49,733
Speaker 1: With still sharp don't miss their biggest spring sail ever.

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01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:54,973
Speaker 2: It is slowly getting warmer. Well we're officially in spring.

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01:13:55,053 --> 01:13:58,413
Speaker 2: Daylight saving is tomorrow. That means that the chances of

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01:13:58,653 --> 01:14:01,693
Speaker 2: frost are rapidly diminishing in our man in the gardener's

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01:14:01,773 --> 01:14:04,493
Speaker 2: Rude climb past here with the springtime planting tip scald

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Speaker 2: to serve.

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01:14:05,453 --> 01:14:08,373
Speaker 15: Hey, good morning, and and yeah I can imagine those

1502
01:14:08,413 --> 01:14:09,373
Speaker 15: biceps of yours.

1503
01:14:13,493 --> 01:14:16,413
Speaker 2: It's just I yeah, I sometimes just catch it, you know,

1504
01:14:16,853 --> 01:14:19,013
Speaker 2: sadly catch an image of myself in a mirror and

1505
01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:21,653
Speaker 2: I'm just like, wow, that's so unimpressive.

1506
01:14:22,773 --> 01:14:23,653
Speaker 15: Yeah is that all?

1507
01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:25,733
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1508
01:14:25,853 --> 01:14:28,573
Speaker 15: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I go the other way for me,

1509
01:14:28,613 --> 01:14:29,493
Speaker 15: it's like God, is.

1510
01:14:29,453 --> 01:14:32,853
Speaker 2: There is Yeah? Yeah.

1511
01:14:32,973 --> 01:14:36,053
Speaker 15: Hey, I've just thought i'd chuck a few plants together

1512
01:14:36,133 --> 01:14:37,973
Speaker 15: that high on my list that I'm going to be

1513
01:14:38,213 --> 01:14:42,653
Speaker 15: looking at for printing for planting now, and also a

1514
01:14:42,693 --> 01:14:45,413
Speaker 15: couple of bugs that we need real care at the moment.

1515
01:14:45,693 --> 01:14:48,173
Speaker 15: So let's start off with noodle kaka, which is the

1516
01:14:48,253 --> 01:14:53,133
Speaker 15: kakabak from if you like tough, sort of gismonde area,

1517
01:14:53,173 --> 01:14:59,013
Speaker 15: if you like, yeah, fabulous plant, actually absolutely brilliant. It's

1518
01:14:59,013 --> 01:15:02,613
Speaker 15: the plant that James Cook saw when he went towards

1519
01:15:03,133 --> 01:15:06,533
Speaker 15: towards then part of the of the of the of

1520
01:15:06,533 --> 01:15:09,653
Speaker 15: the globe, and he saw it flowering all over the mountains.

1521
01:15:09,653 --> 01:15:15,213
Speaker 15: It's gorgeous red and it attracts nectivorous birds. Honestly it

1522
01:15:15,333 --> 01:15:17,093
Speaker 15: is if you want birds in the garden too, this

1523
01:15:17,213 --> 01:15:19,293
Speaker 15: is the one to use, I suppose, because you get

1524
01:15:19,293 --> 01:15:21,173
Speaker 15: all these creatures coming to you and they say, oh,

1525
01:15:21,213 --> 01:15:21,533
Speaker 15: thank you.

1526
01:15:21,933 --> 01:15:23,453
Speaker 12: Nutu kaka brilliant to.

1527
01:15:23,413 --> 01:15:28,013
Speaker 15: Eat, always good. So that's number one. Second one is

1528
01:15:28,053 --> 01:15:30,173
Speaker 15: because I used to be a trustee of Project Crimson.

1529
01:15:30,173 --> 01:15:33,973
Speaker 12: Do you remember that lot, Well.

1530
01:15:33,853 --> 01:15:38,493
Speaker 15: They were the people that actually saved Potagawa from up

1531
01:15:38,573 --> 01:15:43,533
Speaker 15: north and and Putagawa, of course, belongs to the genus Metrosideros,

1532
01:15:43,933 --> 01:15:47,733
Speaker 15: which means iron hearted tree. The wood is so hard

1533
01:15:47,813 --> 01:15:50,453
Speaker 15: that they used to make all sorts of ships and

1534
01:15:50,573 --> 01:15:53,693
Speaker 15: ship parts from it. It's that hart. But anyway, there's

1535
01:15:53,733 --> 01:15:56,973
Speaker 15: a little metro cedros called Carminia which is a really

1536
01:15:57,293 --> 01:16:03,653
Speaker 15: beautiful red shrub if you like. And it has small

1537
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:08,813
Speaker 15: versions of potakaua flowers as den as poutakawa but flowering

1538
01:16:08,973 --> 01:16:12,413
Speaker 15: right now. And there's some strange thing about that Comenia Jack,

1539
01:16:12,493 --> 01:16:15,053
Speaker 15: and that is that when you use seeds, you will

1540
01:16:15,093 --> 01:16:18,053
Speaker 15: get climbers. See you get a climbing rata if you like.

1541
01:16:18,613 --> 01:16:22,613
Speaker 15: And if you take cuttings you get shrubs. They are

1542
01:16:22,653 --> 01:16:23,533
Speaker 15: a bit lower of course.

1543
01:16:24,693 --> 01:16:24,893
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1544
01:16:25,293 --> 01:16:27,413
Speaker 15: Another cool one, and this is not a native, is

1545
01:16:27,693 --> 01:16:31,893
Speaker 15: Verea tuba or rhododendron tuba, which is a creature from

1546
01:16:31,973 --> 01:16:34,853
Speaker 15: the Papua New Guinea and it's one of the most

1547
01:16:34,973 --> 01:16:39,293
Speaker 15: smelly rhododendrons, you can have. It's gorgeous. Just leave it

1548
01:16:39,373 --> 01:16:43,693
Speaker 15: at that. Let's go to the bugs. Lemon tree borer

1549
01:16:43,933 --> 01:16:47,133
Speaker 15: is on the wing. Now I've talked about this before,

1550
01:16:47,173 --> 01:16:48,733
Speaker 15: I do it so every time at this time of

1551
01:16:48,733 --> 01:16:53,413
Speaker 15: the year, no more pruning citrus trees because when you

1552
01:16:53,573 --> 01:16:56,213
Speaker 15: make a cut in a citrus treet, those little borers

1553
01:16:56,293 --> 01:16:58,893
Speaker 15: or big bora beetles, they will lay eggs on the

1554
01:16:59,013 --> 01:17:01,333
Speaker 15: cut and they can get in, and that means that

1555
01:17:01,533 --> 01:17:06,173
Speaker 15: these larvae will literally make huge tunnels in the lemon tree.

1556
01:17:06,573 --> 01:17:09,533
Speaker 15: So this is your your way. Don't do it now,

1557
01:17:09,813 --> 01:17:13,613
Speaker 15: do it again later on after it's all done in autumn.

1558
01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:18,053
Speaker 15: So that's important. And finally it's time now because the

1559
01:17:18,093 --> 01:17:23,213
Speaker 15: apples are flowering for coddling moth control med x three

1560
01:17:23,693 --> 01:17:26,533
Speaker 15: m A d E X three is the only material

1561
01:17:26,613 --> 01:17:29,853
Speaker 15: that really works well. And it is actually a virus

1562
01:17:30,253 --> 01:17:34,613
Speaker 15: that kills the caterpillars of those of those moths. So

1563
01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:36,293
Speaker 15: it's completely organic.

1564
01:17:37,053 --> 01:17:37,893
Speaker 2: So it's important.

1565
01:17:38,173 --> 01:17:41,173
Speaker 15: It's supported by key industries and you can get from Farmlands,

1566
01:17:41,853 --> 01:17:44,573
Speaker 15: Horty Center and Hawks Bay Good to Grow New Zealand

1567
01:17:44,653 --> 01:17:45,613
Speaker 15: all their love places.

1568
01:17:46,133 --> 01:17:49,373
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks very good, get you enjoy your weekend Road

1569
01:17:49,413 --> 01:17:52,133
Speaker 2: Climb Past in the garden. It's almost eleven o'clock. News

1570
01:17:52,213 --> 01:17:53,133
Speaker 2: is next on News Dogs.

1571
01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:57,133
Speaker 1: E'd be Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay keeping the conversation

1572
01:17:57,373 --> 01:18:00,533
Speaker 1: going through the weekend with Bpure dot Coat on ince

1573
01:18:00,573 --> 01:18:03,013
Speaker 1: here for high quality supplements used talks in.

1574
01:18:03,093 --> 01:18:27,973
Speaker 2: B more any you're with Jack Taime on News Talks

1575
01:18:28,093 --> 01:18:30,813
Speaker 2: d B. Thank you for being with us this Saturday morning.

1576
01:18:30,893 --> 01:18:33,133
Speaker 2: We've got a big hour, big hour coming up for you,

1577
01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:35,133
Speaker 2: so I'm going to carve out time. I've promised to

1578
01:18:35,213 --> 01:18:36,573
Speaker 2: carve out times and we can have a bit of

1579
01:18:36,613 --> 01:18:39,133
Speaker 2: a listen to Slow Patrol's latest album. It's the first

1580
01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:40,693
Speaker 2: time they've been top of the Pops, top of the

1581
01:18:40,813 --> 01:18:44,053
Speaker 2: charts in eighteen years. The album's called The Forest Is

1582
01:18:44,093 --> 01:18:47,093
Speaker 2: the Path. Sounds catch enough from the bits I've heard,

1583
01:18:47,373 --> 01:18:48,733
Speaker 2: but it would be really nice to listen to a

1584
01:18:48,773 --> 01:18:50,533
Speaker 2: couple of songs. So that's on me and I'll do

1585
01:18:50,613 --> 01:18:53,853
Speaker 2: my best as well as that. The latest from Leanne Moriarty.

1586
01:18:53,973 --> 01:18:56,613
Speaker 2: She's just published the latest book and our book reviewer

1587
01:18:56,813 --> 01:19:00,013
Speaker 2: Kathin Rains has been reading that she's going to give

1588
01:19:00,053 --> 01:19:03,053
Speaker 2: us her thoughts on Leanne Moriarti's latest very shortly right

1589
01:19:03,093 --> 01:19:06,293
Speaker 2: now though it is eight minutes past eleven, Jack Tay

1590
01:19:06,653 --> 01:19:09,213
Speaker 2: in time to catch up with our sustainability commentator Kate

1591
01:19:09,373 --> 01:19:14,053
Speaker 2: Hall aka Ethically Kate more Dinna Lena, how's it going

1592
01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:16,653
Speaker 2: very well? Thank you very well. Hey. This morning, we're

1593
01:19:16,693 --> 01:19:19,733
Speaker 2: taking a closer look at the benefits of living more sustainably,

1594
01:19:19,893 --> 01:19:23,013
Speaker 2: not just on the Earth, but on your mental health.

1595
01:19:23,333 --> 01:19:25,373
Speaker 2: So because the thing is that, yeah, being a bit

1596
01:19:25,413 --> 01:19:28,333
Speaker 2: more sustainable, you reckon, isn't just good for the planet Earth,

1597
01:19:29,013 --> 01:19:32,093
Speaker 2: it's good for our heads as well. So let's run

1598
01:19:32,133 --> 01:19:35,493
Speaker 2: through some of the key benefits as you see them.

1599
01:19:35,893 --> 01:19:39,173
Speaker 2: Why would you say that living more sustainably is better

1600
01:19:39,213 --> 01:19:39,933
Speaker 2: for your mental health?

1601
01:19:40,853 --> 01:19:43,773
Speaker 17: So I can only obviously speak from my own personal experience,

1602
01:19:44,533 --> 01:19:47,173
Speaker 17: and it's very topical being Mental Health Awareness Week. It

1603
01:19:47,213 --> 01:19:51,013
Speaker 17: always reminds me. Yeah, it always reminds me when I think,

1604
01:19:51,293 --> 01:19:52,893
Speaker 17: you know, what are the things are the good for

1605
01:19:52,973 --> 01:19:56,213
Speaker 17: my mental health? You know what when do I feel best?

1606
01:19:56,333 --> 01:20:00,013
Speaker 17: And they're always sustainable living habits. And I think osten

1607
01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:02,133
Speaker 17: we took about sustainable living is you know it takes

1608
01:20:02,213 --> 01:20:04,573
Speaker 17: something away, or it's a strain in your mental health,

1609
01:20:04,733 --> 01:20:07,013
Speaker 17: or you know, it can be a real kind of

1610
01:20:07,333 --> 01:20:10,293
Speaker 17: downer when you chat about it. But but having lived

1611
01:20:10,453 --> 01:20:14,213
Speaker 17: you know, my lived reality is that that's a few

1612
01:20:14,333 --> 01:20:17,013
Speaker 17: kind of the main things, and hopefully other people probably

1613
01:20:17,053 --> 01:20:20,613
Speaker 17: have a long list too. But slowing down, I think

1614
01:20:20,693 --> 01:20:23,813
Speaker 17: for me that whole awareness piece around, Okay, like where

1615
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:26,533
Speaker 17: is my food from? Like why am I going to

1616
01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:26,933
Speaker 17: buy this?

1617
01:20:27,773 --> 01:20:27,813
Speaker 7: What?

1618
01:20:28,573 --> 01:20:28,733
Speaker 18: You know?

1619
01:20:28,853 --> 01:20:30,773
Speaker 17: What am I doing? Am I doing this just because

1620
01:20:31,293 --> 01:20:33,733
Speaker 17: everyone else does this? Or am I doing this because

1621
01:20:33,813 --> 01:20:34,893
Speaker 17: it is good for the planet?

1622
01:20:34,933 --> 01:20:35,693
Speaker 4: It is good for me.

1623
01:20:36,333 --> 01:20:40,573
Speaker 17: I've definitely felt that that, Yeah, there's benefits of slowing

1624
01:20:40,693 --> 01:20:44,893
Speaker 17: down and reconnecting and asking about your why is so

1625
01:20:45,173 --> 01:20:47,013
Speaker 17: much better. You're not just in this kind of rat

1626
01:20:47,133 --> 01:20:49,853
Speaker 17: race of I'm going to do this because it's busy.

1627
01:20:49,933 --> 01:20:51,333
Speaker 17: I've got to you know, I've got to do this

1628
01:20:51,533 --> 01:20:54,413
Speaker 17: because my friend brought that at the moor.

1629
01:20:54,333 --> 01:20:54,773
Speaker 15: And I got to go.

1630
01:20:54,933 --> 01:20:57,853
Speaker 17: You know, like, yeah, you slow down and you're kind

1631
01:20:57,893 --> 01:21:00,853
Speaker 17: of Yeah. For me, I just find this big kind of.

1632
01:21:01,053 --> 01:21:05,493
Speaker 2: That's mindful, you know, there's mind yeah, yeah, yeah.

1633
01:21:05,613 --> 01:21:07,493
Speaker 17: And I think you know, when we think about sustainable

1634
01:21:07,533 --> 01:21:10,653
Speaker 17: living too, you can't kind of really connect to with, okay,

1635
01:21:10,773 --> 01:21:15,373
Speaker 17: what's better for the planet without spending time outside. Right,

1636
01:21:15,493 --> 01:21:17,653
Speaker 17: So for a lot of people. You know, I spend

1637
01:21:17,693 --> 01:21:20,853
Speaker 17: a lot more time outside having living more sustainably because

1638
01:21:20,973 --> 01:21:24,213
Speaker 17: you know, I'll ride my bike. The other day, I

1639
01:21:24,373 --> 01:21:27,533
Speaker 17: was like, oh, it's a little bit cloudy and I've

1640
01:21:27,573 --> 01:21:29,933
Speaker 17: got to get quite a few things, so maybe I'll

1641
01:21:29,973 --> 01:21:32,893
Speaker 17: take the car. And I was kind of rationalizing taking

1642
01:21:32,973 --> 01:21:35,853
Speaker 17: the car to a place where, you know, it's probably

1643
01:21:35,893 --> 01:21:39,733
Speaker 17: only seven cometers away. So I ended up taking my bike,

1644
01:21:39,813 --> 01:21:43,493
Speaker 17: and honestly, I came back feeling so much better mentally,

1645
01:21:43,653 --> 01:21:46,333
Speaker 17: like in my in my spirits, just from having been

1646
01:21:46,413 --> 01:21:49,573
Speaker 17: outside and the fresh air. Like mean people.

1647
01:21:50,133 --> 01:21:52,973
Speaker 2: Preaching to the converter on that one, I just I reckon,

1648
01:21:53,253 --> 01:21:55,053
Speaker 2: Like I reckon, there is so much to be said

1649
01:21:55,093 --> 01:21:59,613
Speaker 2: for just feeling the elements on your face. Yeah, Like

1650
01:22:00,013 --> 01:22:04,773
Speaker 2: so riding or or walking to work, even if it's

1651
01:22:04,933 --> 01:22:07,733
Speaker 2: not a very good day, it's so good. It kind

1652
01:22:07,773 --> 01:22:09,933
Speaker 2: of especially if you've got to go to work and

1653
01:22:10,013 --> 01:22:12,013
Speaker 2: it's kind of part of your commute, it just helps you.

1654
01:22:12,413 --> 01:22:14,853
Speaker 2: It really helps you kind of reset and refresh at

1655
01:22:14,893 --> 01:22:16,373
Speaker 2: the end of the day. You know, I could say

1656
01:22:16,373 --> 01:22:16,853
Speaker 2: I think it's.

1657
01:22:16,813 --> 01:22:20,493
Speaker 17: Greatly it's so so good. I think also, you know,

1658
01:22:20,813 --> 01:22:23,173
Speaker 17: if you think about kind of the key sustainable living

1659
01:22:23,213 --> 01:22:27,853
Speaker 17: elements is it's less living life alone. You find yourself

1660
01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:31,333
Speaker 17: more in spaces of shared community and with people. You know,

1661
01:22:31,413 --> 01:22:34,653
Speaker 17: if you think about like the Auckland Library of Tools,

1662
01:22:34,773 --> 01:22:37,133
Speaker 17: you know, people are there to get a tool, to

1663
01:22:37,213 --> 01:22:39,653
Speaker 17: borrow it so they don't have to you know, buy it,

1664
01:22:39,853 --> 01:22:41,813
Speaker 17: or they could even borrow it, so they are testing

1665
01:22:41,893 --> 01:22:45,013
Speaker 17: it out first, and they're going there to engage with

1666
01:22:45,093 --> 01:22:47,773
Speaker 17: those people there rather than just kind of an individual

1667
01:22:47,853 --> 01:22:50,853
Speaker 17: moment at a shop. I even think about like repair

1668
01:22:50,933 --> 01:22:53,933
Speaker 17: cafes and the connections I see there. People bring kai,

1669
01:22:54,213 --> 01:22:56,133
Speaker 17: they share it. You know, they come away with a

1670
01:22:56,173 --> 01:22:59,693
Speaker 17: fixed item, but they also come away with that sense

1671
01:22:59,733 --> 01:23:03,573
Speaker 17: of community and kind of resilience, which I think unless

1672
01:23:03,573 --> 01:23:05,173
Speaker 17: you're having a really bad day and you don't want

1673
01:23:05,173 --> 01:23:07,293
Speaker 17: to talk to anyone, which you know, I'm not saying

1674
01:23:07,653 --> 01:23:10,253
Speaker 17: I always want to talk to people too, but you

1675
01:23:10,453 --> 01:23:12,653
Speaker 17: generally come away.

1676
01:23:12,453 --> 01:23:16,373
Speaker 2: With creativization benefit as well. You feel you feel part

1677
01:23:16,373 --> 01:23:19,333
Speaker 2: of a community that I reckon that's a few one

1678
01:23:19,373 --> 01:23:20,693
Speaker 2: we can we can not set one.

1679
01:23:20,653 --> 01:23:21,493
Speaker 4: Up, yeap.

1680
01:23:21,613 --> 01:23:24,813
Speaker 17: That's good. And I think probably the kind of final

1681
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:28,533
Speaker 17: key one is when you're living more sustainably like it

1682
01:23:28,613 --> 01:23:31,693
Speaker 17: can feel you know, you're doing all these little actions, right,

1683
01:23:31,733 --> 01:23:34,973
Speaker 17: and they're not necessarily changing the world, but you're you're

1684
01:23:36,213 --> 01:23:39,013
Speaker 17: by doing those actions, you're showing yourself. No, I actually

1685
01:23:39,173 --> 01:23:42,053
Speaker 17: can make a difference. I actually can do something, and

1686
01:23:42,133 --> 01:23:45,213
Speaker 17: I'm actually choosing to do something, no matter how big

1687
01:23:45,293 --> 01:23:47,133
Speaker 17: of a difference it's going to make. And I think

1688
01:23:47,253 --> 01:23:49,413
Speaker 17: in a world where you know, there's all this negative

1689
01:23:49,493 --> 01:23:53,373
Speaker 17: news and everything feels heavy and it can just, yeah,

1690
01:23:53,613 --> 01:23:57,813
Speaker 17: feel quite defeated, understanding that you can make a difference

1691
01:23:57,893 --> 01:24:01,813
Speaker 17: in combating eco anxiety by doing all these little sustainable things.

1692
01:24:02,333 --> 01:24:05,733
Speaker 17: It's just so so helpful from mental health rather than

1693
01:24:05,813 --> 01:24:09,253
Speaker 17: that parallelized kind of well, I can't do anything, so

1694
01:24:09,813 --> 01:24:11,453
Speaker 17: I'm just gonna not.

1695
01:24:11,733 --> 01:24:16,413
Speaker 2: You know, that despair. Yeah, do you think that's a

1696
01:24:16,493 --> 01:24:20,413
Speaker 2: generational thing? Like, do you think that younger people in particular,

1697
01:24:20,853 --> 01:24:23,373
Speaker 2: you know, are more inclined to feel a kind of

1698
01:24:23,373 --> 01:24:26,173
Speaker 2: a bit of a state of despair about the climate

1699
01:24:26,373 --> 01:24:28,693
Speaker 2: and about you know, other kind of geopolitical things and

1700
01:24:28,813 --> 01:24:31,013
Speaker 2: war and that kind of stuff, or you know, do

1701
01:24:31,053 --> 01:24:33,853
Speaker 2: you think that, you know, people of different generations can

1702
01:24:33,893 --> 01:24:34,813
Speaker 2: get that same benefit.

1703
01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,213
Speaker 17: I think I think all generations can get the same benefits.

1704
01:24:39,613 --> 01:24:43,213
Speaker 17: But I do think you know, even from interviews and

1705
01:24:43,573 --> 01:24:46,733
Speaker 17: research out there, there is younger generations are feeling a

1706
01:24:46,773 --> 01:24:49,453
Speaker 17: lot more because you know, they are kind of new

1707
01:24:49,533 --> 01:24:52,053
Speaker 17: to this planet and looking at the trajectory of what

1708
01:24:52,173 --> 01:24:54,533
Speaker 17: their kind of adult lives will look like. And I

1709
01:24:54,573 --> 01:24:57,213
Speaker 17: think there's a lot more kind of education and awareness

1710
01:24:57,653 --> 01:25:01,173
Speaker 17: now in our schools and media around is that we

1711
01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:02,933
Speaker 17: you know, we need to be acting and we need

1712
01:25:03,053 --> 01:25:06,813
Speaker 17: to be doing better. So that's kind of of yeah,

1713
01:25:07,013 --> 01:25:10,893
Speaker 17: potentially a bit more weighted from the younger generations. But

1714
01:25:11,373 --> 01:25:13,573
Speaker 17: you know, I see and you know, even my parents

1715
01:25:13,613 --> 01:25:18,533
Speaker 17: who do some great kind of sustainable living elements of

1716
01:25:18,573 --> 01:25:20,413
Speaker 17: their life, and I think, you know, for them, that

1717
01:25:20,573 --> 01:25:24,013
Speaker 17: helps them feel better mentally about knowing okay, you know,

1718
01:25:24,133 --> 01:25:28,053
Speaker 17: for future generations and you know, for families you know

1719
01:25:28,133 --> 01:25:31,373
Speaker 17: and beyond, they'll, yeah, they feel they'll feel better like

1720
01:25:31,413 --> 01:25:34,773
Speaker 17: they're doing something rather than kind of letting your mental

1721
01:25:34,853 --> 01:25:37,613
Speaker 17: health just kind of slide into the pit of despair,

1722
01:25:37,733 --> 01:25:41,573
Speaker 17: which I have exactly being practive and you know I

1723
01:25:41,973 --> 01:25:44,093
Speaker 17: have my days, right, We all have our days where

1724
01:25:44,853 --> 01:25:47,733
Speaker 17: you can just feel but yeah, heavy, But honestly, what

1725
01:25:47,853 --> 01:25:49,813
Speaker 17: gets me out of it is knowing, you know, I

1726
01:25:49,933 --> 01:25:53,093
Speaker 17: can actually do something and even if you know, we

1727
01:25:53,173 --> 01:25:55,373
Speaker 17: find out that none of us this does matter. At

1728
01:25:55,453 --> 01:25:58,333
Speaker 17: least it's making my mental health feel better, and at

1729
01:25:58,453 --> 01:26:01,253
Speaker 17: least it is making the you know, even my own

1730
01:26:01,373 --> 01:26:02,693
Speaker 17: small world a better place.

1731
01:26:02,853 --> 01:26:04,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Hey, thank you so much, Kate. You

1732
01:26:04,733 --> 01:26:07,653
Speaker 2: can find Kate Hall on all of the social media platforms.

1733
01:26:08,133 --> 01:26:11,973
Speaker 2: She has a raging Instagram account, not as an angry,

1734
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1735
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Speaker 2: find it by searching ethically Kate. And of course everything

1736
01:26:17,453 --> 01:26:20,333
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1737
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1738
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1739
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1740
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Speaker 2: and put everything up there just as soon as it's

1741
01:26:33,213 --> 01:26:36,093
Speaker 2: been on the radio. It's quarter past eleven on Newstalk sheedb.

1742
01:26:37,493 --> 01:26:41,493
Speaker 1: Travel with Wendy WU tours unique fully inclusive tours.

1743
01:26:41,293 --> 01:26:42,173
Speaker 4: Around the world.

1744
01:26:42,693 --> 01:26:45,333
Speaker 2: Myke Yardley travel correspondent is here with us now.

1745
01:26:45,333 --> 01:26:48,613
Speaker 13: I killed her, hiled her Jack now because my bloed

1746
01:26:48,693 --> 01:26:52,333
Speaker 13: is low score prediction with precision.

1747
01:26:52,533 --> 01:26:54,933
Speaker 5: Last week I knew you were going to bring this up.

1748
01:26:55,133 --> 01:26:56,853
Speaker 2: I just knew it. Do you know, when I was

1749
01:26:56,893 --> 01:27:00,693
Speaker 2: watching the game of me in the first fifteen minutes,

1750
01:27:00,733 --> 01:27:03,493
Speaker 2: I was like, man, you know, once again, I've just

1751
01:27:03,613 --> 01:27:07,653
Speaker 2: absolutely blown mister Yardley out of the water. Here, We're

1752
01:27:07,693 --> 01:27:09,933
Speaker 2: going to put sixty points on these guys. And then

1753
01:27:10,013 --> 01:27:12,373
Speaker 2: of course they just clought it back. And by the

1754
01:27:12,493 --> 01:27:15,373
Speaker 2: end of the game, I was like, oh, ow proved

1755
01:27:15,373 --> 01:27:16,413
Speaker 2: to be very very close.

1756
01:27:16,453 --> 01:27:19,773
Speaker 9: Indeed, yeah, yeah, I think I said five so I

1757
01:27:19,813 --> 01:27:21,413
Speaker 9: wanted to exactly bull's eye.

1758
01:27:21,653 --> 01:27:23,773
Speaker 13: So yeah, but still close enough.

1759
01:27:24,533 --> 01:27:26,973
Speaker 2: I mean I think, yeah, it's certainly a lot closer

1760
01:27:27,013 --> 01:27:29,453
Speaker 2: than I was predicting last week. So so what does

1761
01:27:29,493 --> 01:27:31,133
Speaker 2: that mean for tonight? Does that mean you're you're gonna

1762
01:27:31,373 --> 01:27:32,933
Speaker 2: don't tell me, You're going to rest on your laurels

1763
01:27:32,973 --> 01:27:34,213
Speaker 2: and just let that be that.

1764
01:27:35,733 --> 01:27:38,413
Speaker 13: Well, despite the curse of the cake tain, I reckon

1765
01:27:38,493 --> 01:27:41,533
Speaker 13: we will win by twenty five points tonight.

1766
01:27:41,733 --> 01:27:41,973
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1767
01:27:42,333 --> 01:27:44,573
Speaker 13: I think finally we'll put it together.

1768
01:27:44,813 --> 01:27:47,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel confident you could be right on that one.

1769
01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:49,933
Speaker 2: I reckon, okay, twenty five points tonight. Anyway, we're focusing

1770
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:53,413
Speaker 2: on Singapore this morning, and you are just back from Singapore.

1771
01:27:53,493 --> 01:27:54,813
Speaker 2: Tell me did you catch the f one?

1772
01:27:55,773 --> 01:27:57,893
Speaker 13: You could not miss it? I didn't go here for

1773
01:27:58,013 --> 01:28:00,613
Speaker 13: the IF one. But man lying said he was roaring

1774
01:28:00,733 --> 01:28:01,373
Speaker 13: last weekend.

1775
01:28:01,613 --> 01:28:02,733
Speaker 9: Yeah, apparently, Jack.

1776
01:28:02,773 --> 01:28:07,093
Speaker 13: There were two hundred and fifty thousand internationals in Singapore

1777
01:28:07,133 --> 01:28:09,053
Speaker 13: for the Grand Prix. Isn't it amazing? That's like what

1778
01:28:09,373 --> 01:28:11,813
Speaker 13: for Taylor Swift concerts.

1779
01:28:12,173 --> 01:28:13,613
Speaker 2: Two and twenty thousand?

1780
01:28:14,213 --> 01:28:18,133
Speaker 13: I know, so massive economic shot in the arm for Singapore.

1781
01:28:19,373 --> 01:28:22,853
Speaker 13: Heaps of kiwheets. I just heard kiwi xcents wherever I went,

1782
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:26,813
Speaker 13: and I caught some of the f one just from

1783
01:28:26,853 --> 01:28:30,053
Speaker 13: the higher floors of the hotel. Such a head blasting spectacle.

1784
01:28:30,333 --> 01:28:32,413
Speaker 13: I love the fact that it's at night. That's so

1785
01:28:32,653 --> 01:28:36,253
Speaker 13: cool for Singapore. But to be honest, I went to

1786
01:28:36,333 --> 01:28:37,213
Speaker 13: Singapore to eat.

1787
01:28:37,693 --> 01:28:40,053
Speaker 2: Oh well, look, there's nothing wrong with that. I think

1788
01:28:40,093 --> 01:28:42,213
Speaker 2: that's as good a reason as any that anyone might

1789
01:28:42,333 --> 01:28:45,653
Speaker 2: make their way to Singapore and their food scene is incredible.

1790
01:28:45,693 --> 01:28:48,493
Speaker 2: It's all about the hawker centers, right, So how did

1791
01:28:48,533 --> 01:28:49,133
Speaker 2: they come about?

1792
01:28:49,853 --> 01:28:53,133
Speaker 13: Well, it's really interesting. It was all about food hygiene.

1793
01:28:53,253 --> 01:28:55,493
Speaker 13: So if you went back to say to the seventies,

1794
01:28:55,533 --> 01:28:57,893
Speaker 13: and you went to Singapore, all of those food stores

1795
01:28:57,933 --> 01:28:59,693
Speaker 13: were on the street and then they were kicked off

1796
01:28:59,733 --> 01:29:03,173
Speaker 13: the curb side. Through the seventies and early eighties directed

1797
01:29:03,253 --> 01:29:08,053
Speaker 13: indoors which gave birth to this legend hawker stare culture.

1798
01:29:08,493 --> 01:29:11,893
Speaker 13: The one exception, Jack would be a place called l'ao

1799
01:29:12,333 --> 01:29:16,333
Speaker 13: Pa set in downtown Singapore. So come night fall that

1800
01:29:16,613 --> 01:29:20,573
Speaker 13: street does still transform into Starte Street, you know, all

1801
01:29:20,653 --> 01:29:24,973
Speaker 13: your meat stewers and peanut sauce. But across Singapore there

1802
01:29:25,013 --> 01:29:28,933
Speaker 13: are one hundred and ten hawker centers. There are the

1803
01:29:29,013 --> 01:29:32,733
Speaker 13: famous ones like Newton and Maxwell from crazy rich Asians,

1804
01:29:34,333 --> 01:29:37,573
Speaker 13: and they all maintain a rigorous cleaning culture, something I

1805
01:29:37,693 --> 01:29:41,773
Speaker 13: hadn't previously been aware of. Every three months, each center

1806
01:29:41,853 --> 01:29:44,333
Speaker 13: closes down and they're all on a different schedule, but

1807
01:29:44,453 --> 01:29:46,573
Speaker 13: they all have to close down for a forty eight

1808
01:29:46,693 --> 01:29:50,093
Speaker 13: hour deep clean. So yeah, hygienus key in Singapore.

1809
01:29:50,293 --> 01:29:52,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a good thing. It's a really good

1810
01:29:52,333 --> 01:29:55,173
Speaker 2: thing that the hawker stores have kind of. I mean,

1811
01:29:55,213 --> 01:29:57,533
Speaker 2: they've entered into legend, haven't they in terms of the

1812
01:29:57,613 --> 01:29:59,693
Speaker 2: quality of the food They've won the affections of the

1813
01:29:59,773 --> 01:30:02,253
Speaker 2: Michelin Guide fascinating.

1814
01:30:02,373 --> 01:30:02,573
Speaker 4: Yes.

1815
01:30:02,853 --> 01:30:07,533
Speaker 13: So Michelin Stars generally are not a warded to food

1816
01:30:07,613 --> 01:30:11,373
Speaker 13: stores because they seem to think it's unfair on the

1817
01:30:11,493 --> 01:30:14,493
Speaker 13: priceier restaurant seen if they start handing out stars to

1818
01:30:14,933 --> 01:30:19,413
Speaker 13: street stores. So what the Michelin inspectors do is because

1819
01:30:19,493 --> 01:30:22,893
Speaker 13: they regard the hawker cuisine as being so good, they

1820
01:30:23,133 --> 01:30:28,573
Speaker 13: award standout vendors a Michelin Guide Recommendation or a Michelin

1821
01:30:29,013 --> 01:30:34,173
Speaker 13: Beibe Gourmon Award, which is a special category to recognize

1822
01:30:34,533 --> 01:30:38,173
Speaker 13: high quality, low priced food. So as you make your

1823
01:30:38,213 --> 01:30:41,293
Speaker 13: way in Graze from the hawker centers around Singapore, there

1824
01:30:41,373 --> 01:30:45,813
Speaker 13: are stacks of Michelin decorated food stores to check out,

1825
01:30:46,373 --> 01:30:49,093
Speaker 13: you know, five dollars Michelin recognized meals.

1826
01:30:49,333 --> 01:30:51,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh they're so good. That's a good way to

1827
01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:54,133
Speaker 2: kind of deal with that little quandary. Can you can

1828
01:30:54,173 --> 01:30:57,133
Speaker 2: imagine that the thousand dollars ahead restaurants and be getting

1829
01:30:57,133 --> 01:31:01,133
Speaker 2: a little bit a little bit annoyed Singaporean skewer Stanza

1830
01:31:01,333 --> 01:31:03,853
Speaker 2: getting in the same Under the Bible of affection, what

1831
01:31:04,053 --> 01:31:06,333
Speaker 2: signature dishes would you say were your runaway favor?

1832
01:31:07,213 --> 01:31:10,333
Speaker 13: Oh, it's kind of like trying to pick your favorite child.

1833
01:31:11,453 --> 01:31:13,413
Speaker 13: But you can never go wrong in Singapore with their

1834
01:31:13,493 --> 01:31:17,133
Speaker 13: chili crab or their Laxa. I have a huge soft

1835
01:31:17,213 --> 01:31:21,573
Speaker 13: spot to Singapore's unofficial national dish, which is Hanaese chicken rice.

1836
01:31:21,693 --> 01:31:26,693
Speaker 13: So it's sliced tender chicken served with fragrant rice, ginger paste,

1837
01:31:26,773 --> 01:31:29,773
Speaker 13: and a spicy chili sauce. And if you go to

1838
01:31:29,893 --> 01:31:33,733
Speaker 13: Maxwell Food Center that Tien Tien hawks saw or there

1839
01:31:34,133 --> 01:31:37,453
Speaker 13: has one over Michelin for the Heinees chicken rice. So

1840
01:31:37,493 --> 01:31:41,733
Speaker 13: they probably displayed their big michelan poaster and they serve

1841
01:31:41,813 --> 01:31:44,093
Speaker 13: it with a slide of vegetables and the oyster sauce.

1842
01:31:44,133 --> 01:31:46,533
Speaker 13: It is so good. The other rock star Jack I

1843
01:31:46,813 --> 01:31:50,053
Speaker 13: have to mention is Charkway towel. Now this is a

1844
01:31:50,173 --> 01:31:53,853
Speaker 13: flat rice noodle dish. Oh my god, it's so good,

1845
01:31:53,933 --> 01:31:58,533
Speaker 13: isn't it. It's well of good ease. You've got shrimps

1846
01:31:58,573 --> 01:32:01,893
Speaker 13: in your eggs and sausage and pork laid and bean

1847
01:32:02,013 --> 01:32:04,973
Speaker 13: sprouts and times and it's all fried and dipped in

1848
01:32:05,133 --> 01:32:08,973
Speaker 13: soy sauce. I reckon it's the lard. Which it's so delicious.

1849
01:32:09,693 --> 01:32:11,773
Speaker 2: It's probably not the first time that that sentence has

1850
01:32:11,813 --> 01:32:12,293
Speaker 2: been spoken.

1851
01:32:14,293 --> 01:32:14,853
Speaker 5: Yeah it is.

1852
01:32:15,253 --> 01:32:18,613
Speaker 2: It is just amazing. Yeah, absolutely, anytime I said it

1853
01:32:18,653 --> 01:32:22,133
Speaker 2: on the menu, I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. Did you

1854
01:32:22,173 --> 01:32:25,333
Speaker 2: find any new finds on your most recent trip?

1855
01:32:26,133 --> 01:32:29,173
Speaker 13: Well, I have now tried Stingray for the first time

1856
01:32:29,253 --> 01:32:33,293
Speaker 13: in my life thoughts, So I thought it might have

1857
01:32:33,373 --> 01:32:38,133
Speaker 13: been a controversial pod choice, but apparently it's sustainably sourced

1858
01:32:38,173 --> 01:32:41,733
Speaker 13: in Singapore, and they have this street food dish called

1859
01:32:42,293 --> 01:32:45,373
Speaker 13: sam Bell Stingray. So the sam Bell is a sauce

1860
01:32:45,573 --> 01:32:50,893
Speaker 13: made from chili Pepper's shrimp fish sauce, vinegar and ginger,

1861
01:32:51,373 --> 01:32:57,093
Speaker 13: so they just flather that on top of the very soft, delicate,

1862
01:32:57,493 --> 01:33:01,133
Speaker 13: delicate Stingray meat. It is such an exquisite dish and

1863
01:33:01,533 --> 01:33:05,813
Speaker 13: it's best served in banana leaves after it's all been barbecued.

1864
01:33:06,493 --> 01:33:07,053
Speaker 13: Really good.

1865
01:33:07,373 --> 01:33:11,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, that's how I mean symbals amazing a it. Yeah,

1866
01:33:11,693 --> 01:33:13,893
Speaker 2: since I can honestly say I haven't tried to sting

1867
01:33:13,973 --> 01:33:16,733
Speaker 2: round my life. What about street snacks like curry puffs

1868
01:33:16,773 --> 01:33:17,253
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing.

1869
01:33:17,813 --> 01:33:21,573
Speaker 13: Oh, my goodness, Kristy curry puffs they are fantastic. Another

1870
01:33:21,693 --> 01:33:27,533
Speaker 13: great snack Fujo oyster cakes shaped like a ufo. It's

1871
01:33:27,573 --> 01:33:32,173
Speaker 13: a rice based batter and it in cases moist minced meat,

1872
01:33:32,573 --> 01:33:37,813
Speaker 13: chopped oysters, crungy peanuts, and coriander, and they fry them

1873
01:33:37,853 --> 01:33:40,453
Speaker 13: in small batches so that they are super fresh and

1874
01:33:40,573 --> 01:33:43,893
Speaker 13: you get both that chewy and crispy texture. Is your

1875
01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:44,653
Speaker 13: monk on them?

1876
01:33:44,733 --> 01:33:45,293
Speaker 5: That's so good.

1877
01:33:45,973 --> 01:33:49,853
Speaker 13: I also have just become acquainted Jack with roaty tissue.

1878
01:33:50,213 --> 01:33:52,733
Speaker 13: So this is like your roaty flat bread, and then

1879
01:33:52,813 --> 01:33:58,133
Speaker 13: they stretch it to this paper thin thickner. They place

1880
01:33:58,213 --> 01:34:01,733
Speaker 13: it on a pan and fry it with condensed milk.

1881
01:34:02,293 --> 01:34:05,613
Speaker 13: So if you head to any coffee shop in Mistle, India,

1882
01:34:05,693 --> 01:34:09,613
Speaker 13: in Singapore, yeah, whistle up a sweet roaty tissue and

1883
01:34:10,293 --> 01:34:13,533
Speaker 13: they set them on a plate like a giant conical hat.

1884
01:34:13,693 --> 01:34:15,373
Speaker 13: They are a statement snack.

1885
01:34:15,573 --> 01:34:18,453
Speaker 2: Ah, that sounds so good. Any other tips for us, Mike,

1886
01:34:19,573 --> 01:34:20,293
Speaker 2: You'll be surprised.

1887
01:34:20,333 --> 01:34:21,653
Speaker 13: I'm going to mention McDonald's.

1888
01:34:21,773 --> 01:34:23,373
Speaker 2: Oh yes i am.

1889
01:34:23,733 --> 01:34:28,933
Speaker 13: But if you are familiar with Hawaii's doll Whip pineapple lovers, rejoice.

1890
01:34:29,453 --> 01:34:31,733
Speaker 13: I've got to give a shout out to McDonald Singapore,

1891
01:34:31,813 --> 01:34:35,493
Speaker 13: who pump out pineapple soft serve for a dollar.

1892
01:34:35,933 --> 01:34:36,133
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1893
01:34:36,493 --> 01:34:39,493
Speaker 13: It's nearly as good as doll whip, and it's a

1894
01:34:39,733 --> 01:34:44,253
Speaker 13: trusty rejuvenator when that sultry Singapore heat starts to get the.

1895
01:34:44,293 --> 01:34:44,693
Speaker 15: Better of you.

1896
01:34:44,893 --> 01:34:47,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh great option. Okay, that's so good. It's so fun.

1897
01:34:48,013 --> 01:34:50,693
Speaker 2: Do you know I have not been to Singapore in

1898
01:34:50,813 --> 01:34:55,173
Speaker 2: thirty years. I haven't set for that side teeing of

1899
01:34:55,213 --> 01:34:57,973
Speaker 2: important thirty years. But I went here when I was

1900
01:34:58,013 --> 01:35:02,013
Speaker 2: six years old on my grandparents were living there at

1901
01:35:02,053 --> 01:35:04,453
Speaker 2: the time, and I can still like it was a

1902
01:35:05,613 --> 01:35:09,213
Speaker 2: it was a really formational experience in terms of or

1903
01:35:09,293 --> 01:35:11,893
Speaker 2: foundational experience in terms of in terms of food, because

1904
01:35:11,933 --> 01:35:14,893
Speaker 2: I can still remember the color of the luxes that

1905
01:35:15,013 --> 01:35:17,133
Speaker 2: my mum was having every day. I can still ride

1906
01:35:17,133 --> 01:35:22,933
Speaker 2: with the star fruit and you know that the the sugar,

1907
01:35:23,133 --> 01:35:26,093
Speaker 2: the freshly crushed sugar cane drinks and those kinds of things.

1908
01:35:26,173 --> 01:35:30,333
Speaker 2: You know, it's just one of those ultimate foody kind

1909
01:35:30,373 --> 01:35:33,973
Speaker 2: of destinations. I think, a we have this combination of

1910
01:35:34,093 --> 01:35:36,613
Speaker 2: cultures and flavors that just is remarkable.

1911
01:35:36,813 --> 01:35:40,213
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's it. I think it's the Malay, the Indian,

1912
01:35:40,373 --> 01:35:42,773
Speaker 13: the Chinese influence or just colliding.

1913
01:35:43,133 --> 01:35:43,333
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1914
01:35:44,253 --> 01:35:46,853
Speaker 13: I just love the fact that Singapore, without sending to

1915
01:35:49,333 --> 01:35:54,093
Speaker 13: cliche here, it is such a fantastic cosmopolitan experience. They

1916
01:35:54,253 --> 01:35:55,773
Speaker 13: truly get along with each.

1917
01:35:55,653 --> 01:35:56,533
Speaker 5: Other and I love that.

1918
01:35:56,853 --> 01:35:59,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a wonderful place. Hey, thank you so much, Mike.

1919
01:36:00,053 --> 01:36:03,573
Speaker 2: We'll make sure that all of Mike's tips for Feasting

1920
01:36:03,693 --> 01:36:06,133
Speaker 2: your way through Singapore are up and available on the

1921
01:36:06,213 --> 01:36:08,653
Speaker 2: New Talks the website, and a couple of minutes we're

1922
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Speaker 2: going to catch up with Jason Pine get his thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the bleeders Low in Wellington this evening. It's a

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Speaker 2: big weekend for Wellington. Of course we're to wear of

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Speaker 2: bl arts on as well. Plus that incredible news with

1926
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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson signing an F one contract becoming a driver

1927
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Speaker 2: for Red Bull Racing, so we'll catch up with him

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Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes, and of course before midday

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Speaker 2: new music for you from Snow Patrol, so we'll get

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Speaker 2: to that very shortly. Right now, it's twenty eight minutes

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Speaker 2: past eleven.

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Speaker 4: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News talksb.

1934
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Speaker 10: Can stop to do the shame tag, chump down, away.

1935
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Speaker 3: Bag, choose snap, the late coation, just stimation, superb this bomp.

1936
01:37:06,693 --> 01:37:08,013
Speaker 15: Let me just dave bomb.

1937
01:37:09,293 --> 01:37:10,053
Speaker 7: To be your best.

1938
01:37:10,493 --> 01:37:12,933
Speaker 4: He loves Lifting the West.

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Speaker 2: With Jack Tayming this Saturday morning on News Storks ed V.

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01:37:15,773 --> 01:37:18,893
Speaker 2: Jason Pine is counting down the hours to kick off

1941
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Speaker 2: and the second Letters Low Wellington this evening. Of course,

1942
01:37:22,493 --> 01:37:25,813
Speaker 2: the All Blacks and the Wallabies and last week's game

1943
01:37:26,013 --> 01:37:28,173
Speaker 2: was a hell of a watch Piney, but plenty to

1944
01:37:28,293 --> 01:37:29,933
Speaker 2: improve on for the All Blacks tonight.

1945
01:37:30,413 --> 01:37:33,613
Speaker 22: Yes, indeed some soaked Wellington I can report, Jack, I'm

1946
01:37:33,613 --> 01:37:37,013
Speaker 22: already winning around when when is it not? Indeed I

1947
01:37:37,053 --> 01:37:38,493
Speaker 22: can pick out a couple of days even in the

1948
01:37:38,493 --> 01:37:40,733
Speaker 22: book in the week past, but we'll let that slide.

1949
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Speaker 22: Already at the ground, bringing the show to you from

1950
01:37:44,133 --> 01:37:48,213
Speaker 22: sky Stadium between midday and three. Look, I'm as I

1951
01:37:48,333 --> 01:37:50,533
Speaker 22: have been for most of this year, very curious to

1952
01:37:50,613 --> 01:37:52,573
Speaker 22: see how the All Blacks go tonight. I think last

1953
01:37:52,613 --> 01:37:54,933
Speaker 22: week we all thought they were gonna finally put together

1954
01:37:55,013 --> 01:37:57,093
Speaker 22: that you know, sixty to eighty minute performance when they

1955
01:37:57,133 --> 01:37:58,853
Speaker 22: were what twenty one mill up or whatever it was

1956
01:37:58,973 --> 01:38:02,293
Speaker 22: after after fifteen minutes. But you know, again the curse

1957
01:38:02,373 --> 01:38:04,973
Speaker 22: of the last twenty minutes struck and Australia got a

1958
01:38:05,013 --> 01:38:08,173
Speaker 22: bit too close for comfort, potentially could have even won

1959
01:38:08,253 --> 01:38:11,133
Speaker 22: the game. So yeah, looking for a lot more from

1960
01:38:11,173 --> 01:38:13,293
Speaker 22: the All Blacks tonight. A special occasion for a couple

1961
01:38:13,293 --> 01:38:16,613
Speaker 22: of guys. Sam Kaine plays Test one hundred TJ Pettanada,

1962
01:38:17,453 --> 01:38:20,333
Speaker 22: likely his final test on home soil, and Caine as

1963
01:38:20,333 --> 01:38:23,733
Speaker 22: well actually but TJ on his home grounds and a

1964
01:38:23,813 --> 01:38:27,173
Speaker 22: lot of interesting storylines with a change at first five,

1965
01:38:27,293 --> 01:38:33,133
Speaker 22: and I guess the relative lack of changes, especially in

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Speaker 22: the filmpact from last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do you make of what do you

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Speaker 2: make of the call to start with Bone at ten?

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01:38:38,973 --> 01:38:39,533
Speaker 15: I think.

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Speaker 10: I like it.

1971
01:38:42,293 --> 01:38:44,173
Speaker 22: I like Bone and Bart at first five. You know,

1972
01:38:44,253 --> 01:38:46,773
Speaker 22: I like Damian McKenzie as well, But I just don't

1973
01:38:46,813 --> 01:38:49,133
Speaker 22: know that he's grabbed that opportunity. And he's been given

1974
01:38:49,133 --> 01:38:52,573
Speaker 22: the opportunity seven straight tests starts there Jack. You know,

1975
01:38:52,853 --> 01:38:55,173
Speaker 22: he's certainly been given the keys to the car for

1976
01:38:55,293 --> 01:38:58,373
Speaker 22: the first seven matches of the year, and I guess

1977
01:38:58,453 --> 01:39:02,253
Speaker 22: hasn't done quite enough maybe to really secure that spot.

1978
01:39:02,333 --> 01:39:05,053
Speaker 22: And I think it's now it remains a live discussion,

1979
01:39:05,693 --> 01:39:08,813
Speaker 22: you know, play tonight, and you know, regardless of how

1980
01:39:08,853 --> 01:39:10,853
Speaker 22: he goes, I think there's still a decision to be

1981
01:39:10,973 --> 01:39:12,533
Speaker 22: made on those big test matches at the end of

1982
01:39:12,573 --> 01:39:16,813
Speaker 22: the year England, Island, France and consecutive weeks. Who runs

1983
01:39:16,853 --> 01:39:18,813
Speaker 22: the cutter the ND? You know, what happens next year?

1984
01:39:18,893 --> 01:39:21,853
Speaker 22: Is Richie Mooonga coming back? You know, I think Damian

1985
01:39:21,933 --> 01:39:25,253
Speaker 22: McKenzie probably thought when when Richie left and when Bowden

1986
01:39:25,333 --> 01:39:27,413
Speaker 22: left that he would have a pretty clear run at

1987
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Speaker 22: the first five jersey. I mean, no one's got the

1988
01:39:29,613 --> 01:39:31,573
Speaker 22: jersey by right, and like I say, he has been

1989
01:39:31,613 --> 01:39:34,573
Speaker 22: given the opportunity to lock down the spot and I'm

1990
01:39:34,613 --> 01:39:36,973
Speaker 22: just not sure that he's done it. So he'll come

1991
01:39:37,013 --> 01:39:39,813
Speaker 22: off the bench tonight, and maybe maybe that's his role

1992
01:39:39,893 --> 01:39:43,213
Speaker 22: to play moving forward. You know, his enigmatic sort of

1993
01:39:43,653 --> 01:39:47,413
Speaker 22: you know, irreverence and ability to to you know, find

1994
01:39:47,453 --> 01:39:49,533
Speaker 22: space where there doesn't seem to be any might be

1995
01:39:49,653 --> 01:39:51,493
Speaker 22: the strength that he brings to an impact role rather

1996
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Speaker 22: than a first five.

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Speaker 2: So I suppose it just it feels like there is

1998
01:39:57,213 --> 01:39:58,653
Speaker 2: a bit of lake I quite a lot of chopping

1999
01:39:58,693 --> 01:40:01,973
Speaker 2: and changing a and the ten debate is one that

2000
01:40:02,053 --> 01:40:03,493
Speaker 2: we have been having for a while. I know that

2001
01:40:03,613 --> 01:40:07,013
Speaker 2: Maunger going away has kind of changed the little bit,

2002
01:40:07,053 --> 01:40:09,093
Speaker 2: but yeah, it does felt to me like a bit

2003
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Speaker 2: of a strange game to mix it up at ten. Yeah,

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01:40:12,093 --> 01:40:14,213
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it's yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 22: I guess the only other way they could have gone

2006
01:40:15,773 --> 01:40:17,493
Speaker 22: has gone with the same thing. You know, there's no

2007
01:40:17,813 --> 01:40:19,613
Speaker 22: other real first five. I mean, they could have gone

2008
01:40:20,133 --> 01:40:22,373
Speaker 22: left field and brought Harry Plummer in for a test day.

2009
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Speaker 22: But actually think that would have been quite an interesting

2010
01:40:24,653 --> 01:40:28,933
Speaker 22: decision as well. But look, I Scott Robertson during the week,

2011
01:40:28,933 --> 01:40:30,453
Speaker 22: when he was asked about it, said, well, you know,

2012
01:40:30,533 --> 01:40:32,253
Speaker 22: we had to give vote in a game at some stage.

2013
01:40:32,453 --> 01:40:33,613
Speaker 22: We had to give him a go at ten at

2014
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Speaker 22: some stage, and they've clearly chosen tonight. Is that ninety

2015
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Speaker 22: hasn't played in the ten jersey? Yeah, since I'm back

2016
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Speaker 22: in a twenty twenty two jack.

2017
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Speaker 2: So yeah, to see how he goes. So, Liam Lawson,

2018
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Speaker 2: how are you feeling?

2019
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Speaker 5: Oh?

2020
01:40:43,253 --> 01:40:43,853
Speaker 2: How good's this?

2021
01:40:44,373 --> 01:40:44,413
Speaker 23: So?

2022
01:40:44,653 --> 01:40:45,093
Speaker 21: So good?

2023
01:40:45,293 --> 01:40:45,493
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2024
01:40:45,573 --> 01:40:48,173
Speaker 22: I mean just we've been waiting and waiting and it

2025
01:40:48,533 --> 01:40:51,013
Speaker 22: seems to have been coming and it hasn't been coming,

2026
01:40:51,053 --> 01:40:53,453
Speaker 22: and there have been sort of half suggestions that he's

2027
01:40:53,493 --> 01:40:56,053
Speaker 22: locked in to have it finally confirmed. I think this

2028
01:40:56,173 --> 01:40:58,173
Speaker 22: is terrific news. I feel a little bit. I feel

2029
01:40:58,173 --> 01:41:00,253
Speaker 22: a bit for Daniel Ricardo. I must say, you know,

2030
01:41:00,573 --> 01:41:02,533
Speaker 22: not Liam Lawson's fault. He's just a young up and

2031
01:41:02,573 --> 01:41:04,093
Speaker 22: coming driver waiting for a chance. But I'm not sure

2032
01:41:04,133 --> 01:41:07,693
Speaker 22: it's been dealt with particularly well. And hear hearing Liam

2033
01:41:07,773 --> 01:41:10,493
Speaker 22: himself tell Mike Hoskin yesterday morning that he's known for

2034
01:41:10,533 --> 01:41:13,773
Speaker 22: a couple of weeks which predates the Singapore Grand Prix,

2035
01:41:14,213 --> 01:41:16,333
Speaker 22: where Daniel Ricardo said at that time he didn't know,

2036
01:41:16,493 --> 01:41:19,093
Speaker 22: and that was a week after Apparently Liam Lawson k

2037
01:41:19,133 --> 01:41:21,253
Speaker 22: youw so just tell the truth. If you're Christian, wanna

2038
01:41:21,333 --> 01:41:23,173
Speaker 22: just tell the truth. Just say to Daniel Recardo, hey,

2039
01:41:23,173 --> 01:41:24,733
Speaker 22: you know what, We're going to make a change. But

2040
01:41:24,933 --> 01:41:30,253
Speaker 22: look for Liam outstanding and gee a Keiwi in Formula

2041
01:41:30,333 --> 01:41:32,333
Speaker 22: one doesn't have him very often, Jack will be. We'll

2042
01:41:32,373 --> 01:41:34,093
Speaker 22: be keeping our eyes on him for the rest of

2043
01:41:34,093 --> 01:41:35,853
Speaker 22: this year. Feels us though. If he does well for

2044
01:41:35,893 --> 01:41:37,333
Speaker 22: the rest of this year, then the seat says for

2045
01:41:37,733 --> 01:41:38,693
Speaker 22: twenty twenty five as well.

2046
01:41:38,773 --> 01:41:40,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so turned all right? What's on the serow?

2047
01:41:41,093 --> 01:41:41,413
Speaker 14: All right?

2048
01:41:41,413 --> 01:41:43,413
Speaker 22: Well, Carlos Spencer, he knows what it's like to be

2049
01:41:43,493 --> 01:41:44,813
Speaker 22: an enigmatic First five?

2050
01:41:44,893 --> 01:41:46,133
Speaker 2: What's he made of d mac Yeah?

2051
01:41:46,173 --> 01:41:46,533
Speaker 15: After one?

2052
01:41:46,533 --> 01:41:47,893
Speaker 2: If he's ever thrown an errand.

2053
01:41:47,773 --> 01:41:50,093
Speaker 22: Pass from time to I think he knows he has.

2054
01:41:50,333 --> 01:41:52,533
Speaker 22: After one o'clock, one of the greats, John Eels on

2055
01:41:52,613 --> 01:41:55,093
Speaker 22: the show. You know he kicked He kicked a winning

2056
01:41:55,133 --> 01:41:57,413
Speaker 22: penalty in the very first Test match here at Sky

2057
01:41:57,493 --> 01:41:59,453
Speaker 22: Stadium to beat the All Blacks in two thousand and

2058
01:41:59,533 --> 01:42:02,213
Speaker 22: it's also AFL Grand Final Day today. Let's not forget

2059
01:42:02,253 --> 01:42:04,733
Speaker 22: at the mcg so after two Eddie McGuire is going

2060
01:42:04,773 --> 01:42:05,413
Speaker 22: to have a chat to us.

2061
01:42:05,453 --> 01:42:07,413
Speaker 2: Oh nice sticking for to that well, thank you Piney.

2062
01:42:07,933 --> 01:42:11,293
Speaker 2: Forward to this afternoon. Jason Pine behind the mic, live

2063
01:42:11,733 --> 01:42:14,293
Speaker 2: from Wellington this afternoon, counting down to the All Blacks

2064
01:42:14,613 --> 01:42:17,653
Speaker 2: and Wallaby's second Leader's low test this evening. Of course

2065
01:42:17,733 --> 01:42:20,333
Speaker 2: the call live on News Talks. He'db just after seven tonight.

2066
01:42:20,693 --> 01:42:22,773
Speaker 2: Right now it is twenty four minutes to twelve. We've

2067
01:42:22,773 --> 01:42:23,973
Speaker 2: got your book picks for the weekend.

2068
01:42:24,053 --> 01:42:26,773
Speaker 4: Next. No better way to kick off your weekend than

2069
01:42:26,933 --> 01:42:27,573
Speaker 4: with Jack.

2070
01:42:27,733 --> 01:42:30,893
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack TA and bepure dot co dot

2071
01:42:31,013 --> 01:42:33,973
Speaker 1: Nz for high quality supplements, News Talks, NB.

2072
01:42:34,213 --> 01:42:36,613
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. It is twenty one minutes to twelve.

2073
01:42:36,693 --> 01:42:40,493
Speaker 2: Time to capture with our book reviewer Katherine rains Gelder. Morning, Jack,

2074
01:42:40,653 --> 01:42:43,653
Speaker 2: you got two fantastic reads for us this morning, two

2075
01:42:43,653 --> 01:42:45,733
Speaker 2: great books to recommend. Let's start off with the latest

2076
01:42:45,733 --> 01:42:48,413
Speaker 2: from Richard Osmond tell us about We Solve Murders.

2077
01:42:49,213 --> 01:42:51,933
Speaker 18: So this is a new detective series from him.

2078
01:42:52,053 --> 01:42:54,493
Speaker 23: So he's the author of the Thursday Murder Club, which

2079
01:42:54,573 --> 01:42:58,093
Speaker 23: is gaining real traction as a great series. And in

2080
01:42:58,293 --> 01:43:00,853
Speaker 23: this series though you had met Steve Weader. He's a

2081
01:43:00,893 --> 01:43:03,893
Speaker 23: retired cop, does a bit of local investigation. He's very

2082
01:43:03,933 --> 01:43:06,093
Speaker 23: good at pub quizzz. He's a bit of a puzzle expert.

2083
01:43:06,613 --> 01:43:07,053
Speaker 18: A good point.

2084
01:43:07,693 --> 01:43:10,373
Speaker 23: He's still grieving the fact that his wife, Debby, died

2085
01:43:10,453 --> 01:43:12,133
Speaker 23: a couple of years ago, and he has this great

2086
01:43:12,253 --> 01:43:14,573
Speaker 23: bond with his daughter in law, a woman called Amy.

2087
01:43:15,133 --> 01:43:16,773
Speaker 18: And Amy's quite an unusual character.

2088
01:43:16,853 --> 01:43:19,333
Speaker 23: She works in private security and she's a very experienced

2089
01:43:19,333 --> 01:43:22,613
Speaker 23: bodyguard and she protects highly important people. And she's very

2090
01:43:22,693 --> 01:43:25,773
Speaker 23: calm and very calculating, and she's very good at keeping

2091
01:43:25,813 --> 01:43:28,693
Speaker 23: her emotions at bay. And she's currently working on a

2092
01:43:28,773 --> 01:43:32,013
Speaker 23: private island off the coast of South Carolina and she's

2093
01:43:32,053 --> 01:43:35,773
Speaker 23: guarding an author author, a woman called Rosie. And then

2094
01:43:35,933 --> 01:43:37,893
Speaker 23: a dead body washes up with a bag of money

2095
01:43:38,293 --> 01:43:40,853
Speaker 23: it's found on the yacht and Amy starts to get

2096
01:43:40,893 --> 01:43:42,973
Speaker 23: involved in this, and she calls her father in law, Steve,

2097
01:43:43,053 --> 01:43:45,013
Speaker 23: for help, and they end up on this trip around

2098
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:45,413
Speaker 23: the world.

2099
01:43:46,133 --> 01:43:47,453
Speaker 18: Rosie's trying to help out as well.

2100
01:43:47,493 --> 01:43:49,373
Speaker 23: They're trying to solve some murders, so they're in South

2101
01:43:49,413 --> 01:43:53,693
Speaker 23: Carolina and England, Saint Lachera and Ireland and Subai, and

2102
01:43:54,013 --> 01:43:56,773
Speaker 23: all sorts of things are going on. There's social media influences,

2103
01:43:56,813 --> 01:43:59,653
Speaker 23: there's money laundering. Amy looks like she's about to be

2104
01:43:59,733 --> 01:44:02,693
Speaker 23: framed for murder and there's a target on her back.

2105
01:44:02,853 --> 01:44:06,013
Speaker 23: But it is a really delightful read. The characters a

2106
01:44:06,453 --> 01:44:10,373
Speaker 23: lovable even the kind of obnoxious ones. That's not overly complicated,

2107
01:44:10,453 --> 01:44:12,453
Speaker 23: and there're one or two twists, but it's just one

2108
01:44:12,493 --> 01:44:16,293
Speaker 23: of those very well written cozy murder type books, and

2109
01:44:16,533 --> 01:44:18,493
Speaker 23: Richard Osmond does it superbly well.

2110
01:44:18,773 --> 01:44:21,653
Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, Next up a book I know will have

2111
01:44:21,773 --> 01:44:23,813
Speaker 2: had a lot of hype and we'll have many of

2112
01:44:23,893 --> 01:44:28,533
Speaker 2: our listeners extremely excited the latest from Leanne Moriarty. She

2113
01:44:28,613 --> 01:44:31,613
Speaker 2: have big little lies fame, tell us about here one moment.

2114
01:44:32,613 --> 01:44:33,933
Speaker 18: So in this she looks at.

2115
01:44:34,013 --> 01:44:37,213
Speaker 23: Free will and destiny and grief and that struggle to

2116
01:44:37,253 --> 01:44:40,733
Speaker 23: maintain certainly and controlled in a very uncertain world.

2117
01:44:41,413 --> 01:44:43,253
Speaker 18: And it's a very unusual mystery.

2118
01:44:43,293 --> 01:44:46,773
Speaker 23: It's got the mystical, the dramatic, and lots of philosophical

2119
01:44:46,853 --> 01:44:50,213
Speaker 23: elements in it. And it starts with this woman who

2120
01:44:50,333 --> 01:44:53,293
Speaker 23: you don't really know her age, and she doesn't stand

2121
01:44:53,373 --> 01:44:56,133
Speaker 23: out from the crowd, and all of a sudden there's

2122
01:44:56,213 --> 01:44:59,533
Speaker 23: this delayed flight from Sydney to Hobart and she stands

2123
01:44:59,613 --> 01:45:02,533
Speaker 23: up and she counts to three and she begins to

2124
01:45:02,613 --> 01:45:06,133
Speaker 23: predict the dying age and cause of death for each passenger,

2125
01:45:06,653 --> 01:45:10,933
Speaker 23: which is completely unnerving for the passengers. And she tells

2126
01:45:10,973 --> 01:45:14,413
Speaker 23: this beautiful Indian flight attendant allegre that she will die

2127
01:45:14,453 --> 01:45:16,693
Speaker 23: at the age of twenty eight from south harm And

2128
01:45:16,853 --> 01:45:20,453
Speaker 23: she tells another woman that her child will learn live

2129
01:45:20,533 --> 01:45:23,493
Speaker 23: to one hundred, and another lady that her little boy

2130
01:45:23,573 --> 01:45:27,053
Speaker 23: will die from the age of seven. And this middle

2131
01:45:27,133 --> 01:45:30,213
Speaker 23: aged couple, Sue and Max, are shocked because Max is

2132
01:45:30,253 --> 01:45:32,693
Speaker 23: going to live into his nineties, and Sue is told

2133
01:45:32,733 --> 01:45:35,573
Speaker 23: that she'll die from pink creatic cancer, despite being a.

2134
01:45:35,613 --> 01:45:37,213
Speaker 18: Nurse who looks after herself.

2135
01:45:38,053 --> 01:45:39,653
Speaker 23: And so then you try to work out who this

2136
01:45:40,053 --> 01:45:42,973
Speaker 23: very unusual woman is, and she's called Cherry, and she

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Speaker 23: people are wondering what if she accurately predicted the exact

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Speaker 23: dates and causes of people's death, And then three people

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01:45:50,853 --> 01:45:53,693
Speaker 23: die as she predicted, and the remaining passengers on the

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01:45:53,733 --> 01:45:57,893
Speaker 23: plane become increasingly nervous. You know, should Leo kind of

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Speaker 23: quit his job and should Allegracy psychological help? And should

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Speaker 23: Paula teach her son to swim because she'd predicted that

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Speaker 23: he was going to die drowning. And you also get

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Speaker 23: Sherry's story, and she's quirky in this connection with her

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01:46:11,533 --> 01:46:14,693
Speaker 23: dad and her psychic mother, and she's very eccentric in

2146
01:46:14,773 --> 01:46:17,813
Speaker 23: this situation that led her to them calling her the

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Speaker 23: death Lady as she makes these predictions. And it's a

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Speaker 23: very thought provoking novel and different choices and parts that

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Speaker 23: our lives take and those interactions about the things that

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01:46:26,493 --> 01:46:28,693
Speaker 23: we can control and the things that we can't. But yeah,

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Speaker 23: it's quite a shock when she rolls onto the pane

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01:46:31,973 --> 01:46:33,653
Speaker 23: and she starts talking about their lives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh superb Okay, that sounds great. So that's from

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01:46:36,933 --> 01:46:40,453
Speaker 2: Leanne Moriarty. It's called Here One Moment. And that first

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01:46:40,493 --> 01:46:43,173
Speaker 2: book is by Richard Osman. It's called We Solve Murders.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Catherine, Thank you Jack. We've got new music

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Speaker 2: for you from Snow Patrol coming up in a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes. The Forest is the New Path has gone

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Speaker 2: straight to number one. The first time that Snow Patrol

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Speaker 2: has been there in eighteen years, So we will play

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Speaker 2: you a couple of the choice songs next.

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01:46:59,333 --> 01:47:01,853
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you Need in

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01:47:01,973 --> 01:47:05,013
Speaker 1: US Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and vpuwre dot co

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01:47:05,133 --> 01:47:09,893
Speaker 1: dot nzet for high quality Supplements US Talk sa'd be talk, give.

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Speaker 24: Up nothing, the fame, fame fa fa.

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01:47:17,293 --> 01:47:19,813
Speaker 6: To love, keeps you belive.

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01:47:23,453 --> 01:47:26,013
Speaker 2: To fight, keeps you up.

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Speaker 3: Fair things on the Marie, you are weakwarth Man, you are.

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01:47:42,253 --> 01:47:45,533
Speaker 2: This is snow Patrol. That song is called hold Me

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Speaker 2: in the Fire that just released an album called The

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01:47:47,933 --> 01:47:51,453
Speaker 2: Forest is the Path and a Stelle Clifford Our Music

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01:47:51,573 --> 01:47:53,533
Speaker 2: Review has been listening more in a.

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Speaker 25: More in the two thousands are having a real resurgeon

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Speaker 25: the early two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Do you know this show is? I'm glad that you've

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01:48:01,493 --> 01:48:03,733
Speaker 2: picked up on that theme because we were talking before

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Speaker 2: about a show from Adam Brody, which I mean like

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01:48:06,693 --> 01:48:08,133
Speaker 2: turning back the hands of time. I don't know if

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01:48:08,173 --> 01:48:10,093
Speaker 2: you're an OC fan back in the day, but yeah,

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01:48:10,133 --> 01:48:12,853
Speaker 2: snow Patrol just feels like we're all watching season one

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01:48:12,853 --> 01:48:14,053
Speaker 2: of grays and Anime once again.

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Speaker 25: I mean they if so everyone's going to write a

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01:48:18,813 --> 01:48:22,013
Speaker 25: yearning love song and get some emotions out then I

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01:48:22,053 --> 01:48:22,893
Speaker 25: think snow Patrol.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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01:48:23,733 --> 01:48:26,133
Speaker 25: The great thing about this album is they haven't deterred

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Speaker 25: from that, And I think that's great because that's what

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01:48:29,373 --> 01:48:32,653
Speaker 25: I kind of have always liked them for. And yeah,

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01:48:32,653 --> 01:48:34,533
Speaker 25: I mean, no one can ever really get that Denny

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01:48:34,573 --> 01:48:36,613
Speaker 25: do Ketch scene out of their minds for the rest

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01:48:36,653 --> 01:48:37,173
Speaker 25: of their lives.

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01:48:37,693 --> 01:48:38,773
Speaker 18: Seen that on gras Anime.

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01:48:39,853 --> 01:48:43,293
Speaker 25: That song will Just Chasing Cars is synonymous with that scene,

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01:48:43,693 --> 01:48:46,253
Speaker 25: and I imagine for them they're like, will this at

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01:48:46,253 --> 01:48:49,653
Speaker 25: the end? No, because it was an incredibly powerful emotional moment.

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01:48:52,133 --> 01:48:54,253
Speaker 25: They've stayed in that kind of zone too, do you

2197
01:48:54,293 --> 01:48:56,733
Speaker 25: know what I mean? Like, so I'll get a little

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01:48:56,733 --> 01:48:59,453
Speaker 25: bit deep on your heir. Gary Lightbody the leads singer

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Speaker 25: and predominantly writes all the lyrics to the music. He said,

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01:49:03,293 --> 01:49:06,773
Speaker 25: the idea of this album comes from looking back on

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01:49:06,973 --> 01:49:10,773
Speaker 25: love from the distance of time. So like when you're

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Speaker 25: in the moments, you're like right there in the moment,

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01:49:13,333 --> 01:49:14,973
Speaker 25: and then you know, ten years down the track, after

2204
01:49:15,053 --> 01:49:17,093
Speaker 25: a brow you can kind of remember those moments and

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01:49:17,213 --> 01:49:19,973
Speaker 25: the hurt is only there once you let your mind remember.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Okay, you know.

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01:49:21,333 --> 01:49:24,133
Speaker 25: So like the rosy glow about a relationship where you're like, oh,

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01:49:24,213 --> 01:49:27,373
Speaker 25: actually there was also tragedy and amongst all that beauty,

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Speaker 25: so kind of looking, he said, he was sort of

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Speaker 25: reflective on his perhaps mistakes, maybe hurt that he caused,

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01:49:33,813 --> 01:49:37,293
Speaker 25: but from a distance of time where you sort of

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01:49:37,333 --> 01:49:39,253
Speaker 25: have to allow yourself to go back somewhere to be

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01:49:39,333 --> 01:49:41,893
Speaker 25: honest with yourself about whether or not you hurt somebody, right,

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01:49:42,693 --> 01:49:45,613
Speaker 25: And again there's more yearning for love, which he's been

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Speaker 25: real honest, he hasn't been in a long term relationship

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01:49:48,093 --> 01:49:50,933
Speaker 25: for like a decade or whatever, so I guess from

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01:49:50,973 --> 01:49:53,213
Speaker 25: his perspective he has a lot of reflection to kind

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01:49:53,253 --> 01:49:57,093
Speaker 25: of go back on. They actually ended up working with

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Speaker 25: the same producer who's worked with Adell Gorillas and Lily

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01:50:01,613 --> 01:50:04,333
Speaker 25: Allen Fraser T Smith. So they got to this point

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01:50:04,333 --> 01:50:07,293
Speaker 25: in the album where they'd written these songs. One of

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01:50:07,333 --> 01:50:09,933
Speaker 25: the band mates had challenged, like body to just write

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01:50:09,933 --> 01:50:11,973
Speaker 25: the lyrics right there on the spot and don't change anything,

2224
01:50:12,173 --> 01:50:13,333
Speaker 25: like just trust your instincts.

2225
01:50:13,453 --> 01:50:14,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like yeah, cool.

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01:50:14,893 --> 01:50:17,933
Speaker 25: So they had these really awesome writing sessions and making songs,

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01:50:17,973 --> 01:50:21,773
Speaker 25: but then it just couldn't they could get it somewhere else. Yeah, yeah,

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01:50:21,893 --> 01:50:23,253
Speaker 25: you know, like I don't know how to get it

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01:50:23,293 --> 01:50:24,973
Speaker 25: from somewhere else, so they get the help of that

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01:50:25,253 --> 01:50:28,373
Speaker 25: producer and then I think, you know, a solid album

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01:50:28,413 --> 01:50:30,573
Speaker 25: has come out of that, staying true to.

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Speaker 18: What it is that they're really good on.

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01:50:32,013 --> 01:50:34,213
Speaker 25: There's a few more F bombs throughout this album to

2234
01:50:34,293 --> 01:50:38,013
Speaker 25: really emphasize that frustration, which thanks to produce A Libby,

2235
01:50:38,013 --> 01:50:41,493
Speaker 25: you've managed to find some nice radio edits. But you

2236
01:50:41,573 --> 01:50:43,053
Speaker 25: know the thing when you listen to an album and

2237
01:50:43,093 --> 01:50:47,253
Speaker 25: you kind of just get taken away with someone's emotions

2238
01:50:47,333 --> 01:50:50,013
Speaker 25: and I perhaps anger towards some of the stuff, so

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01:50:50,053 --> 01:50:52,733
Speaker 25: you kind of almost don't hear it. So yeah, fortunately

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Speaker 25: I did before I made you play all those F

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Speaker 25: Bom songs.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, really real.

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Speaker 25: I like the different approach to writing. I think it's

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01:50:58,933 --> 01:51:03,573
Speaker 25: made the lyrics really vulnerable and still with this really cool.

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01:51:03,653 --> 01:51:05,573
Speaker 25: Like some of the songs had that real marching band

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01:51:05,693 --> 01:51:10,133
Speaker 25: kind of drums which just catapults and energy. There's lots

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01:51:10,173 --> 01:51:13,093
Speaker 25: of songs I'm like, oh, played live, this is gonna

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01:51:13,133 --> 01:51:15,733
Speaker 25: be one of those everyone's all the bodies are swaying,

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01:51:16,253 --> 01:51:20,053
Speaker 25: everyone's singing along, and they've stayed with that whole thing

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Speaker 25: they do where they write kind of a soft intro

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01:51:22,853 --> 01:51:26,053
Speaker 25: and it builds into this massive chorus where you know

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01:51:26,133 --> 01:51:28,413
Speaker 25: the lights will go crazy at the big stage show

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01:51:28,533 --> 01:51:31,413
Speaker 25: and you can feel their energy behind it. So I

2254
01:51:31,413 --> 01:51:33,853
Speaker 25: think they've always done these sort of quite a motive

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Speaker 25: Demi de Quitt kind of dying songs. But but there's

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Speaker 25: a beauty behind them in the musicality, I think because

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01:51:41,333 --> 01:51:43,133
Speaker 25: they are cliping musicians and they're good at what they do.

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01:51:43,333 --> 01:51:46,253
Speaker 25: So yeah, lots of ebbs and flows, and I think

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01:51:46,293 --> 01:51:48,253
Speaker 25: that if you are a Snow Patrol fan, you're gonna

2260
01:51:48,293 --> 01:51:50,693
Speaker 25: love pretty much every song, and there's something sort of

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01:51:50,733 --> 01:51:54,813
Speaker 25: different musically in each of the songs. If you're new

2262
01:51:54,853 --> 01:51:57,093
Speaker 25: to Snow Patrol probably not. Chasing Cars has been like

2263
01:51:57,133 --> 01:52:00,573
Speaker 25: a massive radio play for years, so yeah, you'll get more,

2264
01:52:00,613 --> 01:52:02,573
Speaker 25: you'll you'll be familiar with it. And I like that

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01:52:02,893 --> 01:52:04,693
Speaker 25: if you're if you're a band that's been around for

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01:52:04,733 --> 01:52:07,333
Speaker 25: a long time, I want you to still have the

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Speaker 25: body of what you gave.

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Speaker 18: Me when you're do you know what I mean? First

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01:52:10,933 --> 01:52:11,573
Speaker 18: out and you're huge.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting. It's interesting to me that they're

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's being huge, Like I was a bit

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Speaker 2: surprised they went to number one, not not not having

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01:52:19,413 --> 01:52:21,493
Speaker 2: listened to the album at all, like just kind of regardless.

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Speaker 2: It sort of felt that, you know, like it was

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01:52:22,813 --> 01:52:24,693
Speaker 2: a maybe it is the kind of nostalgia thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:52:25,213 --> 01:52:26,773
Speaker 25: I think it's a bit of the I think there's

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01:52:26,773 --> 01:52:29,533
Speaker 25: also a bigger fanship than you realize. Sometimes you need

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01:52:29,613 --> 01:52:32,413
Speaker 25: that easy pop rock like there's nothing to it's not

2280
01:52:32,573 --> 01:52:35,093
Speaker 25: gonna shake you to the core, and there's nothing to

2281
01:52:35,773 --> 01:52:38,973
Speaker 25: conflict about it. But when you get into the songs,

2282
01:52:39,013 --> 01:52:41,453
Speaker 25: they just stick, like they've got this real ability for

2283
01:52:41,533 --> 01:52:45,213
Speaker 25: their melodies to it's easy to join in with what's

2284
01:52:45,253 --> 01:52:45,533
Speaker 25: going on.

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Speaker 18: And I think sometimes we just want music to be

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01:52:47,613 --> 01:52:48,093
Speaker 18: that easy.

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01:52:48,333 --> 01:52:48,493
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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01:52:48,693 --> 01:52:51,573
Speaker 25: Yeah, nice to listen to, except a few if bombs.

2289
01:52:51,613 --> 01:52:53,253
Speaker 25: So just you know, if the kids smash it out

2290
01:52:53,253 --> 01:52:54,533
Speaker 25: while you listen to it in the car, that is

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Speaker 25: what it is.

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01:52:55,133 --> 01:52:57,373
Speaker 2: Very good. Okay, hey, thank you? What'd you give it?

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Speaker 18: Pleasure? It's a seven out of ten.

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01:52:59,293 --> 01:53:02,653
Speaker 2: Seven out of ten album, solid album, all right, very good. Well,

2295
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Speaker 2: we're looking forward to having a bit more of a

2296
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Speaker 2: listening to a couple of minutes. Thank you so much.

2297
01:53:05,253 --> 01:53:08,373
Speaker 2: Just delle sir Stelle. Clifford She's our music review of

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01:53:08,413 --> 01:53:10,933
Speaker 2: seven out of ten for the Forest is the Path

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Speaker 2: that's the new album from Snow Patrols. Or'll play you

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01:53:13,133 --> 01:53:14,813
Speaker 2: another one of the songs from the new album in

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 1: Jack Day and bpewre dot co doe ont inzead for

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Speaker 1: high Quality Supplements, News talks HEADBH.

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Speaker 2: It has just been a very speedy morning. Indeed from

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Speaker 2: my perspective, thank you very much for being with us

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01:53:30,133 --> 01:53:32,093
Speaker 2: on Newstalk's head B. What do you need to know?

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01:53:32,213 --> 01:53:34,453
Speaker 2: We need to know that Jason Pine is standing by

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01:53:34,453 --> 01:53:37,453
Speaker 2: her to take you through weekend sport from Wellington counting

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Speaker 2: down to the All Blacks Wallabes second bledders Low for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four this evening. Of course, Newstalks HEADB is

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Speaker 2: going to have live coverage of that the call live

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01:53:45,733 --> 01:53:49,093
Speaker 2: commentary live from seven o'clock this evening for everything from

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Speaker 2: our show Newstalks hedb dot code on inzed Ford, Slash

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01:53:51,613 --> 01:53:53,613
Speaker 2: Jack is the best place to go. We try and

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01:53:53,733 --> 01:53:55,933
Speaker 2: bang everything from the show up there just as quickly

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01:53:55,933 --> 01:53:58,853
Speaker 2: as possible. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for doing

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01:53:58,893 --> 01:54:00,733
Speaker 2: the tough stuff. I'm going to be with you this

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Speaker 2: week on Newstalks. He'd be filling in for Heather on Drive.

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Speaker 2: So I'll be with you from four o'clock Monday afternoon,

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01:54:07,533 --> 01:54:09,813
Speaker 2: back with your next Saturday morning from nine as well.

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01:54:10,293 --> 01:54:13,093
Speaker 2: Until then, though, we're gonna leave you with The forest

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Speaker 2: is the Path. It's the new album from Snow Patrol.

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01:54:15,693 --> 01:54:18,173
Speaker 2: This song is called the Beginning See.

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Speaker 26: You Next Way five Flight.

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01:54:21,773 --> 01:54:24,453
Speaker 12: There is only one I wasn't yet.

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01:54:26,813 --> 01:54:31,813
Speaker 24: If I've made a less of their everything here but

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01:54:31,973 --> 01:54:38,773
Speaker 24: being scared of what you give me, I am sorry, quit,

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01:54:42,213 --> 01:54:50,933
Speaker 24: I just don't know how to love. Let me leave.

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Speaker 26: The part of me behind the ald wld to green

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01:54:59,653 --> 01:55:04,013
Speaker 26: and then this light. I can see you as you

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01:55:04,213 --> 01:55:08,453
Speaker 26: are in your friend else, in your rights.

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Speaker 3: There is only me this like.

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01:55:15,413 --> 01:55:17,733
Speaker 2: I don't want to get off now.

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Speaker 24: There is nothing for me in these past lives. There

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01:55:25,933 --> 01:55:31,573
Speaker 24: is only one I wasn't as if I made a

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01:55:31,813 --> 01:55:37,253
Speaker 24: mess of there everything here being scared of what you

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01:55:37,613 --> 01:55:46,733
Speaker 24: give me. I am sorry, real cozy, I just don't

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01:55:46,813 --> 01:55:53,773
Speaker 24: know how to alarm. There is only in me in

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01:55:54,013 --> 01:56:01,533
Speaker 24: this life. I don't want to get off now. There

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01:56:01,653 --> 01:56:06,853
Speaker 24: is nothing for me in these past lives. There is

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01:56:07,053 --> 01:56:33,613
Speaker 24: only what I wasn't yet, and if I made a message,

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01:56:33,813 --> 01:56:35,773
Speaker 24: there everything dear.

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Speaker 4: But being scared of what you give me.

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01:56:42,333 --> 01:56:48,213
Speaker 24: I am sorry on a Quizically, I just don't know

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01:56:48,453 --> 01:56:49,253
Speaker 24: how to laugh.

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live

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Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be from nine am Saturday, or

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