1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks be follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,933 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:19,533 Speaker 2: And in depth investigation in The New Zealand here points 4 00:00:19,533 --> 00:00:22,573 Speaker 2: to allegation's jail gang members are continuing to run major 5 00:00:22,613 --> 00:00:27,973 Speaker 2: drug smuggling operations from behind bars by directing corrupt airport workers. 6 00:00:28,093 --> 00:00:31,452 Speaker 2: The reporter behind the investigation is Jared Savage, and he 7 00:00:31,573 --> 00:00:35,013 Speaker 2: joins us Now Afternoon, Jared Afternoon, Guys. 8 00:00:35,613 --> 00:00:39,533 Speaker 3: Very good Now. Twenty baggage chandlers busted last year alone. 9 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:41,852 Speaker 3: I believe that that seems like a huge percentage of 10 00:00:41,853 --> 00:00:44,373 Speaker 3: the total baggage handlers. How are they recruiting so many 11 00:00:44,412 --> 00:00:46,213 Speaker 3: people to get involved in this? 12 00:00:47,452 --> 00:00:49,653 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure the total number of 13 00:00:49,693 --> 00:00:53,693 Speaker 4: baggage workers, but it is a large number there. A 14 00:00:53,733 --> 00:00:56,973 Speaker 4: lot of this comes down to kind of familial or 15 00:00:57,013 --> 00:01:01,973 Speaker 4: family times. So somebody will know somebody and you know, 16 00:01:02,053 --> 00:01:06,053 Speaker 4: an introduction will be made someone the baggag chandler will 17 00:01:06,093 --> 00:01:08,853 Speaker 4: be asked to do them a favor. They might not 18 00:01:08,933 --> 00:01:12,572 Speaker 4: even necessarily know that it's, you know, drugs or something 19 00:01:12,613 --> 00:01:15,812 Speaker 4: illegal at first, but once you've got somebody on the hook. 20 00:01:17,133 --> 00:01:19,613 Speaker 4: Some of these big attenders have been allegedly offered like 21 00:01:19,773 --> 00:01:23,893 Speaker 4: forty thousand dollars per time. So if you're in, if 22 00:01:23,893 --> 00:01:27,612 Speaker 4: you're any minimum wage or close to it, and someone 23 00:01:27,613 --> 00:01:30,812 Speaker 4: offers you that kind of chuk of change, it would 24 00:01:30,853 --> 00:01:31,773 Speaker 4: be hard to turn down. 25 00:01:32,493 --> 00:01:38,333 Speaker 3: Is there any coercion? You know, famously in drug dealing situations, 26 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:41,213 Speaker 3: threats are made to get people to do things. Is 27 00:01:41,493 --> 00:01:42,493 Speaker 3: that a part of it as well? 28 00:01:43,173 --> 00:01:46,493 Speaker 4: I think that is a part of it. I'm not 29 00:01:46,493 --> 00:01:51,613 Speaker 4: aware of any specific examples in relation to this case. Here, Anecdotally, 30 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:55,813 Speaker 4: you hear rumors of you know, people turning up that, 31 00:01:56,093 --> 00:02:00,973 Speaker 4: you know, people's oh geroorks at the airport. 32 00:02:01,453 --> 00:02:04,253 Speaker 2: You know, sorry we just lost you there, Sorry we 33 00:02:04,293 --> 00:02:06,893 Speaker 2: just lost you there. Briefly you just put back up. 34 00:02:08,013 --> 00:02:08,173 Speaker 5: Yeah. 35 00:02:08,213 --> 00:02:10,893 Speaker 4: I think there are examples of comision now people sitting 36 00:02:10,893 --> 00:02:14,573 Speaker 4: about other people's houses and sort of laying laying a 37 00:02:14,573 --> 00:02:17,373 Speaker 4: bit of well you better help out or else. I 38 00:02:17,413 --> 00:02:19,813 Speaker 4: think that's definitely part of it. And I think even 39 00:02:19,853 --> 00:02:22,093 Speaker 4: if that doesn't happen in the early stages of that 40 00:02:22,173 --> 00:02:25,773 Speaker 4: sort of corruption, I think that once you've got on 41 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:29,093 Speaker 4: the home, yeah, the fear of it is going to 42 00:02:29,133 --> 00:02:29,813 Speaker 4: keep you there. 43 00:02:29,733 --> 00:02:33,653 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because you're now in, you are now and 44 00:02:33,733 --> 00:02:37,732 Speaker 3: so liabel for anyone being ratting you out. So it's 45 00:02:37,733 --> 00:02:41,453 Speaker 3: called the rip on ripoff method, I understand, Jared. So 46 00:02:41,453 --> 00:02:45,972 Speaker 3: how does that actually work? When does it? So, baggage 47 00:02:45,972 --> 00:02:48,373 Speaker 3: comes in and it seems to have this sort of 48 00:02:48,453 --> 00:02:53,093 Speaker 3: free range situation before it's engaged with any kind of customs. 49 00:02:54,093 --> 00:02:56,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you need you need to sort of corrupt 50 00:02:56,413 --> 00:02:59,093 Speaker 4: the baggage handlers at both ends of the flights. So 51 00:02:59,173 --> 00:03:01,813 Speaker 4: a lot of these flights are coming from the United States. 52 00:03:01,893 --> 00:03:05,333 Speaker 4: This is cartel drugs coming here. And what's happening is 53 00:03:05,532 --> 00:03:08,292 Speaker 4: someone in LA will put the bags on. There will 54 00:03:08,493 --> 00:03:12,813 Speaker 4: be anywhere between ten to twenty kilos of methyl cocaine. 55 00:03:13,293 --> 00:03:15,292 Speaker 5: Most often, those. 56 00:03:15,093 --> 00:03:18,813 Speaker 4: Bags are sort of swept through the airport in LA 57 00:03:19,293 --> 00:03:20,973 Speaker 4: into the bulk hold of the plane. 58 00:03:21,173 --> 00:03:21,293 Speaker 1: Right. 59 00:03:22,333 --> 00:03:26,093 Speaker 5: Photographs of those bags those particular bags will be sent 60 00:03:26,252 --> 00:03:29,413 Speaker 5: to the baggage handlers at this end of it, saying 61 00:03:29,532 --> 00:03:33,053 Speaker 5: look out for these bags on this particular flight, and 62 00:03:33,093 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 5: then the baggage handlers at this end will kind of 63 00:03:35,173 --> 00:03:38,853 Speaker 5: coordinate themselves to make sure that they're able to access 64 00:03:38,893 --> 00:03:39,413 Speaker 5: that flight. 65 00:03:39,893 --> 00:03:42,773 Speaker 4: At the other end, they get into the plane, they 66 00:03:42,773 --> 00:03:45,093 Speaker 4: pull them out and instead of putting them on the 67 00:03:45,133 --> 00:03:48,933 Speaker 4: baggage casel with your bags of mine, and let's face it, 68 00:03:48,933 --> 00:03:52,973 Speaker 4: they often get lost. These particular bags are sort of 69 00:03:53,013 --> 00:03:56,133 Speaker 4: just they just carry them out the back door basically 70 00:03:56,213 --> 00:03:58,253 Speaker 4: into their cars and then anywhere you go. 71 00:03:58,453 --> 00:04:01,053 Speaker 3: So I mean it seems to be cameras absolutely everywhere 72 00:04:01,133 --> 00:04:03,733 Speaker 3: at an airport, every single direction there's a camera. So 73 00:04:03,773 --> 00:04:07,453 Speaker 3: if Johnny on baggage handling is suddenly leaving with a 74 00:04:08,013 --> 00:04:12,053 Speaker 3: bag that weighs in fifty kgs, then isn't that gonna 75 00:04:12,093 --> 00:04:13,653 Speaker 3: come up on the on the camera. So that's not 76 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:14,533 Speaker 3: what he brought his luncheon. 77 00:04:15,453 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you raise a really good point, 78 00:04:18,893 --> 00:04:21,573 Speaker 4: and I think the airports themselves and some of the 79 00:04:22,133 --> 00:04:24,573 Speaker 4: aviation services have been a little bit naive to this 80 00:04:24,973 --> 00:04:27,813 Speaker 4: and kind of in recent years, but have been up, 81 00:04:27,853 --> 00:04:29,613 Speaker 4: you know, come up to speed a lot because of 82 00:04:29,653 --> 00:04:33,733 Speaker 4: these investigations. I mean, I'm aware of instances where, you know, 83 00:04:33,813 --> 00:04:38,093 Speaker 4: baggage handlers who work solely at the domestic terminal that 84 00:04:38,333 --> 00:04:42,253 Speaker 4: are then driving across the tarmac to the international side 85 00:04:42,293 --> 00:04:45,133 Speaker 4: of things to help out with these loads coming in. 86 00:04:45,253 --> 00:04:47,453 Speaker 4: I mean, you know that should be raising red flags, 87 00:04:47,573 --> 00:04:51,813 Speaker 4: and it has in more recent times. But you're absolutely 88 00:04:51,893 --> 00:04:55,933 Speaker 4: right there's cameras everywhere, there's security everywhere. You would think 89 00:04:55,973 --> 00:04:59,533 Speaker 4: that these sorts of things would be getting noticed more often, 90 00:05:01,213 --> 00:05:03,813 Speaker 4: and I think they will be because there's a greater 91 00:05:03,933 --> 00:05:08,133 Speaker 4: awareness now that the border is far more porous because 92 00:05:08,133 --> 00:05:10,573 Speaker 4: of these lacks security protocols. 93 00:05:10,653 --> 00:05:12,173 Speaker 2: Are they working the shifts as well? 94 00:05:12,293 --> 00:05:12,653 Speaker 4: Jared? 95 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:16,373 Speaker 2: As in that you might have one baggage handler who's compromised, 96 00:05:16,573 --> 00:05:19,213 Speaker 2: but clearly there's more than one operating at a time. 97 00:05:19,373 --> 00:05:22,493 Speaker 2: So are they rigging the shifts that you've got multiple 98 00:05:22,533 --> 00:05:24,773 Speaker 2: guys who are on the hook at one time to 99 00:05:24,813 --> 00:05:26,773 Speaker 2: prevent anybody saying, hey, what the hell are you doing? 100 00:05:27,813 --> 00:05:28,093 Speaker 1: Yeah? 101 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:30,613 Speaker 4: And I think what they do tend to the ones 102 00:05:30,613 --> 00:05:33,413 Speaker 4: that I've seen do tend to be working in groups 103 00:05:33,413 --> 00:05:36,893 Speaker 4: of three or four. The one of those baggage handlers 104 00:05:36,893 --> 00:05:39,613 Speaker 4: will normally be the conduit to the organized crime groups. 105 00:05:39,613 --> 00:05:42,573 Speaker 4: So they will they will be shifting, you know, they'll 106 00:05:42,613 --> 00:05:45,853 Speaker 4: be sharing roster information to be like this is when 107 00:05:46,053 --> 00:05:49,613 Speaker 4: our guys are on at the airport, and so therefore 108 00:05:50,013 --> 00:05:52,653 Speaker 4: the crime groups will be saying, well, let's, you know, 109 00:05:52,813 --> 00:05:56,133 Speaker 4: let's make sure that the timing of our product coming 110 00:05:56,133 --> 00:05:59,053 Speaker 4: in coincides with when we've got our guys on the 111 00:05:59,053 --> 00:06:01,693 Speaker 4: ground that we can rely on, and you know, often 112 00:06:01,693 --> 00:06:06,453 Speaker 4: it's the same. Allegedly, in this particular case, the one 113 00:06:06,493 --> 00:06:09,693 Speaker 4: group of baggage handlers is sort of working on behalf 114 00:06:09,733 --> 00:06:13,373 Speaker 4: of multiple different groups bringing drugs in. So it's known 115 00:06:13,413 --> 00:06:16,853 Speaker 4: as having a door into the country, and then that 116 00:06:17,173 --> 00:06:19,733 Speaker 4: service is almost sort of been, you know, farmed out 117 00:06:19,773 --> 00:06:22,053 Speaker 4: to everybody who wants to get drugs in it. It's 118 00:06:22,093 --> 00:06:25,373 Speaker 4: not just one group. It's sort of like a crime 119 00:06:25,653 --> 00:06:27,892 Speaker 4: a crime service for hire, if you will. Wow. 120 00:06:28,053 --> 00:06:31,453 Speaker 2: We are talking to New Zealand Heralds senior investigative journalist 121 00:06:31,533 --> 00:06:35,333 Speaker 2: Jared Savage, who's conducted an in depth investigation into allegations 122 00:06:35,453 --> 00:06:38,413 Speaker 2: jail gang members are continuing to run major drug smuggling 123 00:06:38,573 --> 00:06:41,493 Speaker 2: operations from behind bars. So tell us how is the 124 00:06:41,533 --> 00:06:44,573 Speaker 2: operation actually being coordinated from prison? 125 00:06:44,693 --> 00:06:48,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's another fascinating part of this whole situation. 126 00:06:48,573 --> 00:06:51,533 Speaker 4: It's not just corruption at the airports. I mean, it's 127 00:06:51,573 --> 00:06:55,493 Speaker 4: seemingly corruption in the prisons as well. You had some 128 00:06:55,613 --> 00:06:59,973 Speaker 4: senior amongst those who have been charged last year's part 129 00:06:59,973 --> 00:07:04,933 Speaker 4: of this police operation were two sort of very influential 130 00:07:05,253 --> 00:07:10,053 Speaker 4: criminals who are serving already serving long sentences for other crimes, 131 00:07:10,173 --> 00:07:12,573 Speaker 4: and they are coordinating and led. This is what the 132 00:07:12,613 --> 00:07:17,013 Speaker 4: police alleged. They are coordinating from behind bars large amounts 133 00:07:17,013 --> 00:07:21,373 Speaker 4: of drugs to be coming into the country. And this 134 00:07:21,453 --> 00:07:24,893 Speaker 4: is all done through smuggled cell phones. Basically, there's the 135 00:07:24,933 --> 00:07:28,013 Speaker 4: cell phones that are getting in inside our prisons and 136 00:07:28,053 --> 00:07:32,093 Speaker 4: then they're able to use them to speak with you know, 137 00:07:32,173 --> 00:07:35,373 Speaker 4: they're sort of they're sort of lieutenants, they're sort of minions. 138 00:07:35,373 --> 00:07:37,853 Speaker 4: They're outsiders who are on the outside of the prison 139 00:07:37,893 --> 00:07:41,293 Speaker 4: walls and carrying out what needs to be done to 140 00:07:41,973 --> 00:07:43,373 Speaker 4: get these drugs into the country. 141 00:07:43,853 --> 00:07:46,373 Speaker 3: Once again, you think about cameras and you think about 142 00:07:46,373 --> 00:07:48,973 Speaker 3: how easy it is to surveil everyone that's just walking 143 00:07:49,053 --> 00:07:52,053 Speaker 3: around their everyday life. And yet you've got someone with 144 00:07:52,093 --> 00:07:56,493 Speaker 3: a phone. They've got a charger, you know, they're plugging 145 00:07:56,493 --> 00:08:01,013 Speaker 3: it in. So is the suggestion that that a blind 146 00:08:01,053 --> 00:08:04,773 Speaker 3: eye is being being you know, that people are looking 147 00:08:04,893 --> 00:08:07,453 Speaker 3: away and allowing this to happen. 148 00:08:08,733 --> 00:08:11,733 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think so we are sort of the 149 00:08:11,733 --> 00:08:14,213 Speaker 4: Department of Corrections and Questions about this and sort of 150 00:08:14,253 --> 00:08:16,493 Speaker 4: they came back with an answer that said, you know, 151 00:08:16,493 --> 00:08:19,333 Speaker 4: we take contravend seriously. We've got you know, we've got scanners. 152 00:08:19,373 --> 00:08:22,853 Speaker 4: We've got X rays. We've got you know dogs, you know, 153 00:08:22,893 --> 00:08:27,453 Speaker 4: slipping dogs. We've got all sorts here. People can you know, 154 00:08:27,653 --> 00:08:30,533 Speaker 4: chuck chuck items over the fence if they need so, 155 00:08:30,613 --> 00:08:33,053 Speaker 4: people get to smuggle them inside their bodies. But what 156 00:08:33,133 --> 00:08:35,653 Speaker 4: they didn't actually address was, you know, the sort of 157 00:08:35,653 --> 00:08:39,373 Speaker 4: the question and relegation around are your staff bringing these 158 00:08:39,413 --> 00:08:43,053 Speaker 4: phones in? And you know, from my understanding about works, 159 00:08:43,093 --> 00:08:46,653 Speaker 4: that is exactly what's going on here. There are and 160 00:08:46,693 --> 00:08:49,093 Speaker 4: it's the same with the baggage handlers. People are offering 161 00:08:49,093 --> 00:08:52,813 Speaker 4: you big money to to bring in some cigarettes or 162 00:08:52,813 --> 00:08:55,213 Speaker 4: something to smoke. It's probably not that big a deal, 163 00:08:55,252 --> 00:08:57,533 Speaker 4: but next time they ask it, it's to bring in 164 00:08:57,533 --> 00:09:01,253 Speaker 4: a phone. You know, you're on the hook already. You 165 00:09:01,293 --> 00:09:02,652 Speaker 4: know you might be there might be some sort of 166 00:09:02,693 --> 00:09:06,133 Speaker 4: coercion or intimidation as well. Is so it's you know, 167 00:09:06,732 --> 00:09:09,093 Speaker 4: I'm pretty certain that a lot of the spines at 168 00:09:09,093 --> 00:09:14,093 Speaker 4: the getting and are through corrupt corrupt prison guards. And 169 00:09:14,132 --> 00:09:18,333 Speaker 4: that's that's quite a statement to say, but you know 170 00:09:18,413 --> 00:09:20,973 Speaker 4: that's to me, it's the most obvious route. 171 00:09:21,773 --> 00:09:22,013 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:09:22,053 --> 00:09:23,973 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I'd be ordering the will I'd be 173 00:09:23,973 --> 00:09:26,813 Speaker 3: bringing in the four point seven inch iPhone se rather 174 00:09:26,892 --> 00:09:30,252 Speaker 3: than the full six point nine inches, you know, one 175 00:09:30,252 --> 00:09:35,093 Speaker 3: of the newer plus friendlier the pro or the Plus 176 00:09:35,173 --> 00:09:36,452 Speaker 3: or the pro max. 177 00:09:36,213 --> 00:09:38,893 Speaker 4: Models just a bit more, a bit more comfortable. 178 00:09:40,372 --> 00:09:45,053 Speaker 3: So what kind of sentences do both baggage handlers and 179 00:09:45,732 --> 00:09:48,093 Speaker 3: say prison guards that they're allowing this. I mean, they're 180 00:09:48,173 --> 00:09:50,373 Speaker 3: quite different crimes, aren't they. But say, let's go to 181 00:09:50,372 --> 00:09:55,573 Speaker 3: the baggage handler. If you're facilitating let's say twenty kgs 182 00:09:55,612 --> 00:09:59,732 Speaker 3: of myth and fetamine getting through then and you get busted, 183 00:10:00,252 --> 00:10:02,213 Speaker 3: what kind of sentences are you facing, Jarrett? 184 00:10:03,093 --> 00:10:05,253 Speaker 4: Well, sort of, you know, importing a class A drag 185 00:10:05,413 --> 00:10:09,653 Speaker 4: like myth and fetamine or coke carries maximum of life imprisonment. 186 00:10:09,813 --> 00:10:14,053 Speaker 4: So that's the same as murder basically, But it also 187 00:10:14,173 --> 00:10:17,133 Speaker 4: depends on where you are, Like the judge will take 188 00:10:17,173 --> 00:10:20,772 Speaker 4: into consideration where you are in the pecking order. So 189 00:10:20,892 --> 00:10:24,213 Speaker 4: if you're a lowly baggage handler and you know you 190 00:10:24,413 --> 00:10:27,533 Speaker 4: kind of turned to blind eye, or you know it 191 00:10:27,573 --> 00:10:30,572 Speaker 4: was your first offense, all these other kind of mitigating features, 192 00:10:31,612 --> 00:10:33,093 Speaker 4: you know you're not going to get a life sentence. 193 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:35,813 Speaker 4: You know you might you might get a few years 194 00:10:35,813 --> 00:10:39,693 Speaker 4: in prison if you're higher up the pecking order the 195 00:10:39,773 --> 00:10:41,693 Speaker 4: judge will look less kindly on that, and you know, 196 00:10:41,773 --> 00:10:44,333 Speaker 4: you might be looking at I mean, a lot of 197 00:10:44,333 --> 00:10:46,773 Speaker 4: these sort of syndicate kind of leader kind of guys 198 00:10:46,892 --> 00:10:51,413 Speaker 4: are getting anywhere between you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years 199 00:10:51,892 --> 00:10:55,973 Speaker 4: for bringing in large amounts of drkes. So you know, 200 00:10:56,093 --> 00:11:00,532 Speaker 4: it's it's it's a huge it's a huge risk to take. 201 00:11:01,933 --> 00:11:04,492 Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, you are earning 202 00:11:04,973 --> 00:11:08,532 Speaker 4: earning a lot of money, So that's that become that 203 00:11:08,612 --> 00:11:11,493 Speaker 4: sort of you know, that risk reward calculation that that 204 00:11:11,612 --> 00:11:15,453 Speaker 4: people that people make. But to be honest, like the 205 00:11:15,492 --> 00:11:19,453 Speaker 4: people making like the most money using these baggae chandlers, 206 00:11:19,453 --> 00:11:23,773 Speaker 4: they're exploiting them and keeping their distance from the drugs. 207 00:11:23,813 --> 00:11:26,173 Speaker 4: So that's you know, that's where they're they're the four 208 00:11:26,213 --> 00:11:30,413 Speaker 4: guys in many regards, so often the judges sort of 209 00:11:30,933 --> 00:11:32,973 Speaker 4: don't take pity on them, but that that is taken 210 00:11:33,012 --> 00:11:34,732 Speaker 4: into account when it comes to sentencing. 211 00:11:35,093 --> 00:11:37,573 Speaker 3: So is this rip on rip off still possible or 212 00:11:37,612 --> 00:11:40,933 Speaker 3: have the airport's customs and police sort of plugged that hole? 213 00:11:41,012 --> 00:11:45,053 Speaker 4: Now? Well, I would never say that. You never know, 214 00:11:45,093 --> 00:11:47,453 Speaker 4: you don't know what you don't know, right, YEA, certainly 215 00:11:47,813 --> 00:11:51,453 Speaker 4: they certainly like five years ago. This was a brand 216 00:11:51,573 --> 00:11:54,213 Speaker 4: new kind of thing when I started reporting on these things, 217 00:11:54,252 --> 00:11:58,053 Speaker 4: like you know, they you know, And on one occasion, 218 00:11:58,053 --> 00:12:01,213 Speaker 4: the police were focusing on one group h and you know, 219 00:12:01,293 --> 00:12:05,732 Speaker 4: gathering the evidence, and during that investigation sort of mistakenly 220 00:12:05,773 --> 00:12:09,973 Speaker 4: stumbled across another group of bagga chandlers doing the same thing. 221 00:12:10,132 --> 00:12:14,533 Speaker 4: So certainly, I think this investigation last year has taken 222 00:12:14,573 --> 00:12:18,653 Speaker 4: out a huge chunk of those workers who are there. 223 00:12:18,813 --> 00:12:22,093 Speaker 4: I know the police have been working closely with sort 224 00:12:22,093 --> 00:12:24,893 Speaker 4: of airport business side of things to say, hey, look, 225 00:12:24,973 --> 00:12:27,213 Speaker 4: these are some things that you could do to make 226 00:12:27,252 --> 00:12:29,732 Speaker 4: it harder for these groups to operate instead of plugging 227 00:12:29,813 --> 00:12:33,613 Speaker 4: up those gaps. But the organized crime is clever, and 228 00:12:33,773 --> 00:12:35,733 Speaker 4: you know I've seen this time and again. As soon 229 00:12:35,773 --> 00:12:40,333 Speaker 4: as one avenue was closed up, they'll work out a 230 00:12:40,372 --> 00:12:43,493 Speaker 4: different way, a different or you know, a slight tweak 231 00:12:43,492 --> 00:12:46,612 Speaker 4: of them, and until I get caught that way. So 232 00:12:46,813 --> 00:12:50,853 Speaker 4: I'd be loath to say that that particular method is. 233 00:12:52,612 --> 00:12:53,173 Speaker 5: Sorted out. 234 00:12:53,852 --> 00:12:55,573 Speaker 4: I would say we'll be seeing this again more in 235 00:12:55,612 --> 00:12:56,053 Speaker 4: the future. 236 00:12:56,252 --> 00:13:00,773 Speaker 3: Well, as always, you're writing is fascinating and terrifying and 237 00:13:00,892 --> 00:13:03,732 Speaker 3: so thank you so much. I recommend everyone reads this article. 238 00:13:03,773 --> 00:13:07,333 Speaker 3: Game members allegedly run airport drug ring from prison. It's 239 00:13:07,333 --> 00:13:09,732 Speaker 3: in the ensine here, Gerald Savage. 240 00:13:09,813 --> 00:13:13,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared, thank you very much mate. It's a fascinating 241 00:13:13,132 --> 00:13:14,693 Speaker 2: piece and really appreciate you having. 242 00:13:14,492 --> 00:13:16,293 Speaker 4: A chat with us Alais. 243 00:13:16,293 --> 00:13:18,772 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, that is New Zealand here. We'd senior investigative 244 00:13:18,813 --> 00:13:21,013 Speaker 2: journalist Jared Savage. 245 00:13:20,892 --> 00:13:23,573 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b Listen live on 246 00:13:23,653 --> 00:13:26,612 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 247 00:13:26,653 --> 00:13:29,252 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.