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Speaker 1: Right. It's been revealed today that Farno Order funds have

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Speaker 1: been used to prop up the Mowana Pacifica Super rugby team. Now,

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Speaker 1: the money went from the government to Pacifica Medical Association Group,

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Speaker 1: which is a charity that's commissioned to spend Faro Order

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Speaker 1: funds and from them was given to the rugby team.

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Speaker 1: Kate McNamara is the Herald journalist who helped break the

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Speaker 1: story with us. Now Hi Kate hi Hether. So we're

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Speaker 1: talking about about one point five million dollars, maybe up

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Speaker 1: to as much as two point three million dollars. Was

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Speaker 1: that all public money?

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Speaker 2: Certainly one point five was public money, it's not clear.

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Speaker 2: There's another six hundred thousand that came in the year

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one twenty twenty two. It's not absolutely clear

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Speaker 2: that that was public money. It's probably public money, but

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Speaker 2: I haven't the PMA hasn't confirmed that that came from

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Speaker 2: the fano Ora contract. It came from Pacifica Futures, which

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Speaker 2: is the Pacifica commissioning agency funded by Tipuny Corkrey. But

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Speaker 2: and maybe that all all of their funding comes from

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Speaker 2: the fano Aura contract. But it may be that there's

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Speaker 2: a small amount of funding from another sport in there,

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Speaker 2: so we know not.

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Speaker 1: We know at least some and it seems like a

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Speaker 1: sizeable chunk is public money? Is it appropriate to use

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Speaker 1: public money that are supposed to be going for Farno

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Speaker 1: Order projects, which is jabbing babies, healthcare, that kind of

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Speaker 1: thing to a rugby team.

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Speaker 2: Well, so the is it allowed is probably the first

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Speaker 2: question you might ask. And it may well be allowed

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Speaker 2: now whether or not that's a good idea? You know,

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Speaker 2: if you ask me, do I personally think it's a

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Speaker 2: good idea? I think it would be tough to make

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Speaker 2: it stack up? Would exactinations in babies? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: But would it be allowed because it would feed into

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Speaker 1: bolstering the culture which is one of the things that

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Speaker 1: Faro Order is supposed.

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Speaker 2: To do bingo so strengthening cultural identity. And I mean

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Speaker 2: that's as elastic as you want it to be, right,

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Speaker 2: you could pay me to go down the pub answer,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Day?

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Speaker 1: Really? Yes, I see, I take your point. It's a

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Speaker 1: fair point. Now there are three people who sit on

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Speaker 1: both boards, right, They sit on the boat on the

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Speaker 1: onea pacifica board which is the rugby team that gets

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Speaker 1: the money and they sit on the Pacifica Medical Association

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Speaker 1: Group board, which is the outfit that gives the rugby

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Speaker 1: team the money. Is that not a conflict?

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Speaker 2: They're related parties, so yes, and you know it's it's

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Speaker 2: self dealing if you want. And they say, the chair

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Speaker 2: of Pacifica Medical Association tells me that they followed their

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Speaker 2: protocols to mitigate this conflict, and so the conflicted decision

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Speaker 2: makers weren't involved in essentially okaying the wouldn't have been

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Speaker 2: involved in okaying the fan or funding decision. Now, they

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Speaker 2: weren't that exact. They just set out what their protocols

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Speaker 2: were and that these would have applied.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And I note that this group has now lost

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Speaker 1: the contract. It's been given to somebody else and there

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Speaker 1: are much stricter rules. Is that because of this, because

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Speaker 1: of the funding of the rugby team?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I would point out that this contract was renewed

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Speaker 2: for twelve months last year under the current government. So

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Speaker 2: you know, if you want to blame someone, you can

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Speaker 2: probably spread it around a little bit. I do think

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Speaker 2: that the current government has been looking at this and

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Speaker 2: they've changed a number of things. They've tightened. It took

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Speaker 2: them a while to do it, and in the meantime

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Speaker 2: they rolled the contract over for twelve months. They have

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Speaker 2: more measurement requirements of outcomes now in place for the

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Speaker 2: upcoming contract starts July first, and you're not allowed to

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Speaker 2: so you, the commissioning agency, are not allowed to buy

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Speaker 2: essentially buy your own services. And so that actually would

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Speaker 2: be a big change looking ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which might tidy this kind of thing up. Thanks

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Speaker 1: very much, appreciate it, Kate McNamara, the Herald Senior journalists.

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