1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Monday morning, Prime Minister Christopher Luxan is back in the 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: country and is with us. 3 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Mike. I don't know. 4 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the change in media or 5 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: the amount of coverage that's done, but your Pacific Islands 6 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: for them, didn't seem to get a lot of coverage 7 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: last week. For you know, you're out of the country 8 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: for several days. So just just a quick one. Was 9 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: China a major and did anything material apart from that happen. 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 11 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: Look, I mean what we're trying to do with the 12 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: Pacific Islands is about eighteen countries and that grouping. 13 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: We want to make. 14 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: Sure that there's what's called Pacific regionalism, that the Pacific 15 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: countries deal with their challenges and opportunities as a group. 16 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: Small countries are developing countries. The more they can come 17 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: together and project a Pacific Island's viewpoint into the world. 18 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: No different from what we see in uscr and, which 19 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: is the Southeast Asian economies. But for US, you know, 20 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: we had good conversations for example, on transnational organized crime. 21 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: You know huge if you think about tongsm, Fiji, Australia 22 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: and New Zealand being really impacted by global meth trade, 23 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: particularly with Mexican cartels and so in North American organized crime. 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: And so you know, those are the kind of conversations 25 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: we got into, which is. 26 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: What sort of card were you driven around? Because I 27 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: read last week that the Chinese had given them a 28 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: lot of cars, and Australia, upon seeing the Chinese had 29 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: given them a lot of cars, gave them even more cars. 30 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: Oh really, it was a great wall. It was a 31 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: great wall China, Chinese. 32 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: You realize you were butter being like a haal or 33 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: something that well, so you were buked definitely. 34 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: And that the couple of random questions acclaim last week 35 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: that we're a couple of weeks away from signing an 36 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: FTA with India, true or not. 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: I think it will be longer than that. We've said 38 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: we'll do it in this term. We've got our third 39 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: round of in person negotiations going down this week so 40 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: that the Indian team are here. We're making progress. But 41 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: as I've said, we'll try, and you know, the Indians 42 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: are hard negotiators and so yes, their trade minister has 43 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: has artic letters all those comments as well. 44 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: That's great. You know the fact that they've got a 45 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: tension engaged. 46 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: Well, it's just I mean, we've actually both promised to 47 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: Modi and I and our trade ministers you know, talk 48 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: very positively and our visit about we want to do 49 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 3: this deal. We want to make it happen and it 50 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: requires attention. And the fact that the Indians are giving 51 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: us attention when they've got everyone coming to their door 52 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: wanting to do an FTA is a really good thing. 53 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: So look, it'll take, It'll take as long as it 54 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: needs to take, but we're making progress. But you know, 55 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: we've got a third round. As I said in person this. 56 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Week, Audrey Young seems to sueduce Palestine's on the agenda 57 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: today at cabinet. 58 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,279 Speaker 3: Is it well again, we've we've said we've got conversations 59 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: going on around the issue, but it's a pretty complex issue. 60 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: It's important that we form our own view on it. 61 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: You know, in New Zealand you've seen protests over the weekend. 62 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: There's a range of views about whether you recognition is 63 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: appropriate or not appropriate. We've always said when, not if, 64 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: but we will make our own distises. 65 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: It's not happening today. 66 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: In other word, no when some will have more to 67 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: say about that in the coming weeks. 68 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Okay, do you know, speaking of protests, do you know 69 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: the rule? Like literally, who decides in this country to 70 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: close the bridge when people want to walk across it 71 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: in protest? 72 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I think that's an n ZTA decision, and. 73 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. But do you know the person in 74 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: there and why. 75 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: Allowed to do that? Don't But why are they allowed 76 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: to do that? Well? I don't know, but that's a decision. 77 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: You mean, are you're the prime minister of this country. 78 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: Don't you want to know? I mean, as a person 79 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: apart from anything it was in Auckland, how is it 80 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: that somebody goes, oh ye, yeah, well just close a bridge. 81 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we'll a huge inconvenience to people right 82 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: trying to get their kids around Saturday sport or often 83 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: what they're trying to do with their partners over the 84 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: weekend and their downtime. So it's a massive inconvenience of 85 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: you know. My personal view is that NZCA should think 86 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: really deeply. 87 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: About those are the rules. 88 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: There was a place where. 89 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: Protests happened, and as it turned out, I think the 90 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: bridge was shut down because of wind and as a result, 91 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: people protested in the city here and that was fine. 92 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: Should there be something done about that? But if we 93 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: can't trust the nz TA and the police to make 94 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: sensible decisions so the rest of the world can actually 95 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: get about their business, should you step and go here 96 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: are some rules that you need to adhere to. 97 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can have a look at it, but I 98 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: think you know, there's enough other places that people can protest, 99 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: and we want people to be able to feel free 100 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: to do so. 101 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: Now they're completely we want there in our society. 102 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: But you know, on this particular issue, as you know, 103 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: there's deep seated feelings on all sites. 104 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Yes, there is farna aura. This was a tapunakakri. This 105 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: was a classic Friday story. So that investigation into the 106 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: funding and whether it was across the line or not 107 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: came back with something I couldn't quite understand. It might 108 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: have burned, it might not have been. Was the scope 109 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: in the investigation too wide? So in other words, what 110 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 1: you're saying is far or are therefore the the betterment 111 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: of Maori? Therefore you can basically spend your money on 112 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: whatever you want. 113 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: Now, what happened here was there were some pretty serious allegations. 114 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: TPK undertook a review. That review came back and said, look, 115 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: there wasn't evidence of any wrongdoing. Having said that there was, 116 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: there was opportunities for us to do much better than 117 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: we had historically been doing. There's three things that have 118 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: been going on. It wouldn't you know, like it wouldn't 119 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: surprise you. We get to government and labor were very 120 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: focused on how much money they spend rather than the 121 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: outcomes they deliver. So there's not a lot of oversight 122 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: around outcomes. So we're making sure that everything's in contracts 123 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: actually with clauses now that are focused on outcomes managing 124 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: perceived or real conflicts of interest. The second thing was 125 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: that none of those providers, the forefunnel or providers have 126 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: been retended in twelve years. That just from a commercial 127 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: practice point of view, that's not good. So we've retended 128 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: and none of the current providers have come through that retendering. 129 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: And have they not come through it because they weren't 130 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: playing the game. 131 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: According to about value for money and saying we want 132 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 3: to buy these outcomes and we're going to work with 133 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: these organizations and we're going to pay you some money 134 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: to deliver this outcome because that's all I'm interested in, 135 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: this outcome. So how we get them. I'm less hung 136 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: up on. But when we're going to spend government money 137 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: and social services, it's not surprising to you that you'd 138 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: imagine it's been pretty loose. 139 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: And so you would argue this reporter's retrospective of what 140 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: was going on as opposed to what is going on 141 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: or not. 142 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: Well, I think my point is I still think there's 143 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: a lot more that government needs to do infinitely better 144 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: around the procurement either of social services or procurement in general. Right, 145 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: And so one of those things is you should have 146 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: regular retendering processes for long term contracts. You should make 147 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,119 Speaker 3: sure that the contracts that you sign with them actually 148 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: have clauses in those contracts, like a good commercial one 149 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: about delivery, about outcomes. And the third thing is, you know, 150 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: this threw up quite a good question, which I know 151 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: that you know Brian Roach will look at which is 152 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: around you know, what is the appropriate use of surpluses organizations? 153 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: And let's get some real clear. 154 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I ended up in court Tamma Herey sued me for 155 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: this exact thing, and I maintained to this day I 156 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: was right, despite the fact we lost the court case. 157 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: But that's a story for another day. What happens is 158 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: they get money and they have some money left over. 159 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: They then put the money in the bank and they 160 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: collect the interest. And no one could in this particular 161 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: report answer that question. No, so one of the interests 162 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: is that still part of it or one of. 163 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: The That's what I've asked the PC is going to 164 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: look at in the Parliamentary's Service Commissioner because that needs 165 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 3: really clear guidance, you know as to those Now let's 166 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: be clear. I mean we contract for a bunch of things. 167 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: You might buy Air New Zealand tickets as a government, 168 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: you know, for example, Air New Zealand will make a 169 00:06:59,320 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: profit off the. 170 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: Of that, as you would reasonably expect. 171 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: Right, we're buying services and so you know as to 172 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: but exactly in this space, what we just wanted some 173 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: really clear guidelines and guidance around how surpluses are to 174 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: be used or not to be used. 175 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: Right, So, and Bribri will if they weren't attend it 176 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: for five million dollars and I do it for three million, 177 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand dollars, do I get to pocket the rest? 178 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: And that's just on you because we agreed to a 179 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: price or not. That's the thing I want clarity on. 180 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: That's what I've asked, Well, what's your view though, Well, I. 181 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: Mean we want to make well, there'll be an organization, 182 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: as I said, of commercial or nonprofit. You know, they 183 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: if they can deliver value for money within the budget 184 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: that we've been prepared to pay for in order to 185 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: secure the outcomes, they deliver the outcomes. That's what I'm 186 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: interested in now as to but how much is appropriate 187 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: exactly what it can or can't be used for. I 188 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: think some definition around that would be very helpful. So 189 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: one is new contracts, new providers, and three someome advice 190 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: on the on surpluses. 191 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm reading about fast track, which isn't fast track just 192 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: three projects of in principal decisions after eight months. Is 193 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: that a fast track or is that a slow track? No? 194 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: I think you think. 195 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: You know, there's some tweaks that we're going to need 196 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: to do to it, and you know, as part of 197 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: Nicholas Supermarket's work, there's also sort of an accompanying pit 198 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: around the bits that we've you know, Shane Jones and 199 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: Chris Bishop have learned through engaging on the fast Track 200 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: as to what we need to do differently or better 201 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: to speed that up. 202 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: What are they going to do because I mean there's 203 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty nine in the queue that have 204 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: been given the tick to be a fight. 205 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: Some of those haven't actually, you know, so we put 206 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: one hundred and forty nine into the legislation, they still 207 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 3: have to put their project into the process and some 208 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: haven't haven't done that yet, so there's still it's not 209 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: like a one hundred and forty nine. We're there from 210 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: day one. They were ones that we said, look, we'd 211 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: really like these guys to submit for a number of reasons. 212 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 3: They may not be ready, they may not have the fight. 213 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: You still only ticked one off, which was your much 214 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: trumpet at Auckland. Yeah, which is good, which is good 215 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: for one's good. How about eight? 216 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we said we've got another eight that will 217 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: probably emerge. 218 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: Before Christmas, which is so another eight, so we'll have 219 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: nine before Christmas. So you're still saying fast track is 220 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: far t Yeah. 221 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: Well it's better than what we've been doing. I mean, 222 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: when you know, my advisors would say to me that 223 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: that port decision out of Auckland would have taken five 224 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: years under the old RMA. It took six months. Under 225 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: fast track. Your point's a fair one, which is that 226 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: you know, having put this thing together, we shouldn't be 227 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: so arrogant to say it's a set and forget process. 228 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: If we think that there are irritants and frustrations and 229 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: impediments that actually should be removed, let's go and remove them. 230 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So there will be some some. 231 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: More changes, just real quick. The events thing you made yesterday. 232 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of feedback this morning, and we had 233 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: Britt Eckles on what is it apart from just a 234 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: subsidy to get somebody like Taylor Swift here, because even 235 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: Eckles says it's just she'll end up with the dough. 236 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: Now, look, I think there's sort of three things going on. 237 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: One is on the infrastructure side. I think actually Aukind's 238 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: going to come together pretty well. You look at the airport, 239 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: you look at the transport links, you start to look 240 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: at the convention center. I think, you know, if we 241 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: could liberate Mount eden Eden Park to sort of get 242 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 3: more stuff happening there, I think that would all be 243 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: quite good stuff. We put the money together because we 244 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: benchmarked ourselves against Queensland. Brisbanees is a similar size city 245 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: to Auckland, and we know that we want to be 246 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: competitive and what we did fifteen years ago isn't probably 247 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 3: relevant to today. And I also think, quite frankly, as 248 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: you and I've talked before, I think there's a lot 249 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: of some work that we can do looking at once 250 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: you get these events coming here. If you want to 251 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: get a big NRL event here, for example, and you 252 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: might have to deal with TV rights, or you might 253 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: have to deal with a different on a Sunday or 254 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: whatever it is, there's a lot of madness going on 255 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: across some of the constraints that the venues are actually 256 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: having to work to as well. So if we can 257 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: get rid of some of that stuff and make it 258 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 3: easier for things to happen, that'd be a good thing. 259 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Good stuff good. See Christopher Luxm for more from the 260 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast. 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