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Speaker 1: More details around shonky builders in the government's new self

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Speaker 1: certification proposal, so the Licensed Building Practitioners Board will get

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Speaker 1: greater powers to take action. Whole idea basically make it

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Speaker 1: easier and cheaper to build master builders, boss and kid

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Speaker 1: charmers will this morning to you morning. Make broadly speaking,

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Speaker 1: we head in the right direction. Absolutely, what sort of

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Speaker 1: mess are we trying to clean up? Or is there

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Speaker 1: not that big a mess? In other words, there aren't

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Speaker 1: that many shonky builders about the place.

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Speaker 2: I think the mess is as soon as you have

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Speaker 2: poor practice and something goes wrong. And this is a

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Speaker 2: small pocket of what happens around our industry. The impack

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Speaker 2: it creates it's quite significant, and not only it will

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Speaker 2: impact hormonners, it also impacts on industry reputation. And the

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Speaker 2: challenge we have had is the current disciplinary system has

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Speaker 2: some real limitations and it's very slow. It lacks transparency.

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Speaker 2: Many consumers don't even know about it that we have

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Speaker 2: a disciplinary process, so it actually doesn't provide enough return.

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Speaker 2: And all this is trying to do is to improve

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Speaker 2: the system to a level where there's we can not

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Speaker 2: only address there's small instances of bad performance, but provide

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Speaker 2: more transparency to homeowners so they can make good decisions.

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Speaker 1: The Code of Ethics. There's four key things the minister's announce.

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Speaker 1: One of them is code of Ethics for building practitioners.

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Speaker 1: Do we need a code of ethics and does it

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Speaker 1: say anything substantive enough for me as a punter to

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Speaker 1: be confident?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a very good point, so I'll an't say

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Speaker 2: it two ways. We definitely need a code of ethics,

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Speaker 2: so you need a standard which is very clear so

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Speaker 2: everybody knows how to operate within that standard. I think

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Speaker 2: the second point here raising mic is probably quite an

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Speaker 2: important point that there's a lot of lack of information

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Speaker 2: and knowledge. It's good to have a code of ethic,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't help if ultimately consumers don't even know

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Speaker 2: that process exists. So in my view, many people don't

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Speaker 2: even know what a LBP is and that they the

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Speaker 2: disciplinary process. So as much as we need a good system,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we need a good disciplinary process, we

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Speaker 2: also need to make sure there's good information and education

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Speaker 2: and knowledge around it. And this is where I think,

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Speaker 2: along with all these stuff which the government is announcing,

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Speaker 2: which is very good, I believe as an industry we

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Speaker 2: need to take some responsibility too and create some systems

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Speaker 2: and information. WHI it's easier for homeowners to find out

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Speaker 2: that all this information exists, so when they are making

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Speaker 2: decisions around picking up a bill, they are starting a

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Speaker 2: new project, they're actually making informed decisions.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff and you appreciate it and glad we're here

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Speaker 1: going on the right track. In Kid Sharma Master Build

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