1 00:00:06,813 --> 00:00:10,653 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin 2 00:00:10,813 --> 00:00:11,893 Speaker 1: from News talks'b. 3 00:00:12,693 --> 00:00:14,773 Speaker 2: This is a Sunday Session and it's now time to 4 00:00:14,773 --> 00:00:17,413 Speaker 2: talk local politics and I'm joined by New Zealand Herald 5 00:00:17,413 --> 00:00:19,053 Speaker 2: political reporter Jamie Ensaw. 6 00:00:19,173 --> 00:00:22,453 Speaker 3: Happy Easter, Jamie, happy to you too. 7 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:25,333 Speaker 2: We have an East eccunts it. 8 00:00:25,813 --> 00:00:28,173 Speaker 3: I've been enough and things and work, but I would 9 00:00:28,173 --> 00:00:29,533 Speaker 3: love to have one though, if. 10 00:00:29,453 --> 00:00:30,653 Speaker 2: Anyone wants to stroy one for you. 11 00:00:30,693 --> 00:00:31,053 Speaker 3: There you go. 12 00:00:32,053 --> 00:00:35,333 Speaker 2: Now, the Prime Minister is heading to the United Kingdom. 13 00:00:35,573 --> 00:00:37,013 Speaker 2: What is he pending on doing over there? 14 00:00:37,813 --> 00:00:40,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. This will be Chris fh Luxen's first 15 00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:43,333 Speaker 3: official visit to the UK as Prime Minister and it 16 00:00:43,453 --> 00:00:46,893 Speaker 3: comes at this time of real significant global turbulence due 17 00:00:46,933 --> 00:00:50,173 Speaker 3: to the trade tariff supplied by US President Donald Trump 18 00:00:50,253 --> 00:00:52,653 Speaker 3: earlier this month. So you can expect trade is going 19 00:00:52,693 --> 00:00:55,213 Speaker 3: to be a major talking point when the Prime Minister 20 00:00:55,293 --> 00:00:58,173 Speaker 3: sits down with British Leader Sir Kia Starmer at ten 21 00:00:58,293 --> 00:01:01,653 Speaker 3: Downing Street. The Prime Minister's understood to be looking at 22 00:01:01,733 --> 00:01:04,413 Speaker 3: what ways the two countries can work together to ensure 23 00:01:04,453 --> 00:01:07,093 Speaker 3: there are minimal barriers to trade, and of course New 24 00:01:07,213 --> 00:01:10,253 Speaker 3: Zealand signed a free trade agreement with the UK in 25 00:01:10,333 --> 00:01:13,293 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, and trade with the UK is now 26 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:16,013 Speaker 3: worth about seven billion dollars. So the UK is also 27 00:01:16,173 --> 00:01:19,533 Speaker 3: part of the cp TPP and you'll remember that used 28 00:01:19,533 --> 00:01:21,853 Speaker 3: to be the TPP before it got changed around a 29 00:01:21,893 --> 00:01:25,333 Speaker 3: little bit. And Luxin has mooted the idea that the 30 00:01:25,453 --> 00:01:28,253 Speaker 3: nations that are part of that agreement could work more 31 00:01:28,333 --> 00:01:31,733 Speaker 3: closely with the European Union on trade, so he could 32 00:01:31,773 --> 00:01:34,373 Speaker 3: raise that with Sir KaiA Starmer, though of course the 33 00:01:34,453 --> 00:01:38,213 Speaker 3: UK now has its slightly complicated relationship with the EU 34 00:01:38,373 --> 00:01:41,413 Speaker 3: following Brexit. Now also on the agenda for Luxen is 35 00:01:41,453 --> 00:01:43,813 Speaker 3: a meeting with the King, as well as a visit 36 00:01:43,933 --> 00:01:46,453 Speaker 3: with New Zealand troops and the UK helping to train 37 00:01:46,653 --> 00:01:49,933 Speaker 3: Ukrainian soldiers. A reminder that while the focus might be 38 00:01:50,013 --> 00:01:53,573 Speaker 3: on the economic uncertainty at the moment, war still continues 39 00:01:53,613 --> 00:01:55,933 Speaker 3: to rage in Europe. And on the way back from 40 00:01:55,933 --> 00:01:57,933 Speaker 3: the UK, Luxin is also going to stop off in 41 00:01:57,973 --> 00:02:01,293 Speaker 3: Turkey to visit Gallipoli for one hundred and tenth anniversary 42 00:02:01,333 --> 00:02:02,413 Speaker 3: of the Anzac landings. 43 00:02:02,733 --> 00:02:04,773 Speaker 2: Okay, so there's going to be able to talk about trade, 44 00:02:04,813 --> 00:02:08,813 Speaker 2: security and geopolitical backdrop of what's happening in Europe. Does 45 00:02:08,853 --> 00:02:11,013 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister have permission from Winston Peters to have 46 00:02:11,053 --> 00:02:12,053 Speaker 2: these conversations. 47 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:15,613 Speaker 3: That's a very good conversation, very good question, Whiston. Peter's 48 00:02:15,613 --> 00:02:18,173 Speaker 3: only just got back from the Pacific, so it's unclear 49 00:02:18,173 --> 00:02:21,453 Speaker 3: if they've actually met up in person before Luxeon's gone off, 50 00:02:21,493 --> 00:02:23,973 Speaker 3: but I'm sure there's been some conversations to avoid any 51 00:02:24,253 --> 00:02:26,213 Speaker 3: issues like we've seen in the last week. 52 00:02:26,373 --> 00:02:28,013 Speaker 2: And do we have any detail about what the Prime 53 00:02:28,013 --> 00:02:30,053 Speaker 2: Minister will be doing it Gallipoli for Anzac Day? Will 54 00:02:30,093 --> 00:02:31,053 Speaker 2: that be a morning service? 55 00:02:31,893 --> 00:02:34,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll head along to the usual services that happen 56 00:02:34,613 --> 00:02:36,933 Speaker 3: over there. Prime Minister hasn't been over in quite a 57 00:02:36,973 --> 00:02:39,293 Speaker 3: few years, and I know that it's been something that 58 00:02:39,333 --> 00:02:41,813 Speaker 3: has been a top priority for Chrystopher Luckxon. 59 00:02:42,453 --> 00:02:45,453 Speaker 2: Right, Jamie on Tomarequi has finally provided a bit of 60 00:02:45,453 --> 00:02:48,213 Speaker 2: an update on the boot camp program. Of course, we 61 00:02:48,213 --> 00:02:50,333 Speaker 2: were waiting to hear some more details about what was 62 00:02:50,373 --> 00:02:51,973 Speaker 2: sort of taking place at the end of last year. 63 00:02:52,013 --> 00:02:54,533 Speaker 2: There was some absconding and reoffending that was taking place. 64 00:02:55,373 --> 00:02:56,893 Speaker 2: Do we what do we know? 65 00:02:58,333 --> 00:03:01,293 Speaker 3: Well, the short answer is not a lot. So as 66 00:03:01,333 --> 00:03:03,013 Speaker 3: you mentioned at the end of last year there was 67 00:03:03,053 --> 00:03:08,533 Speaker 3: some of the boot camp participants who allegedly reoffended, and 68 00:03:08,613 --> 00:03:11,733 Speaker 3: Auditing a Tamidiche said, for privacy reasons, we're not going 69 00:03:11,773 --> 00:03:14,373 Speaker 3: to give you any more information other than at certain 70 00:03:14,493 --> 00:03:18,653 Speaker 3: milestones while we've hit the midpoint of the community stage 71 00:03:18,693 --> 00:03:21,613 Speaker 3: of the program, and the update this week that came 72 00:03:21,653 --> 00:03:24,973 Speaker 3: out didn't really say much other than there's been some 73 00:03:25,053 --> 00:03:28,493 Speaker 3: instances of re offending, which we already knew, didn't provide 74 00:03:28,533 --> 00:03:32,133 Speaker 3: any details about how many or that what that looked like, 75 00:03:32,493 --> 00:03:35,493 Speaker 3: and that's been received with some criticism from the opposition 76 00:03:35,573 --> 00:03:38,773 Speaker 3: benches as you would expect. Labour's willow Jen Prime said, 77 00:03:38,773 --> 00:03:40,973 Speaker 3: the government made a whole song and dance about this 78 00:03:41,053 --> 00:03:43,773 Speaker 3: program when it first announced it, but now it's essentially 79 00:03:43,853 --> 00:03:46,613 Speaker 3: shut up shop when there's been some re offending. But 80 00:03:46,733 --> 00:03:50,213 Speaker 3: one interesting little bit of information that came out was, 81 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:53,293 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, one of the participants absconded from a 82 00:03:53,413 --> 00:03:57,813 Speaker 3: tongey Now despite them escaping from two audung A Tamodiki 83 00:03:57,893 --> 00:04:01,613 Speaker 3: staff members and then allegedly committing more crime while on 84 00:04:01,653 --> 00:04:05,733 Speaker 3: the run, the review found no fundamental failures in the 85 00:04:05,813 --> 00:04:10,773 Speaker 3: management of that participant, which is a rather remarkable conclusion. Instead, 86 00:04:10,893 --> 00:04:14,333 Speaker 3: the agency just said that staff need a full understanding 87 00:04:14,453 --> 00:04:17,413 Speaker 3: of the legal framework they're working in, which one would 88 00:04:17,413 --> 00:04:20,933 Speaker 3: expect they should probably already know. Jamie. 89 00:04:21,213 --> 00:04:24,693 Speaker 2: Legislation making this program permanent remains before Parliament. Should we 90 00:04:24,733 --> 00:04:27,213 Speaker 2: be waiting until the pilot is completed? We've completed the 91 00:04:27,253 --> 00:04:30,173 Speaker 2: twelve months before we to assess it as to whether 92 00:04:30,213 --> 00:04:31,253 Speaker 2: we do continue. 93 00:04:31,733 --> 00:04:33,813 Speaker 3: Well, that's the argument that's coming from the likes of 94 00:04:33,893 --> 00:04:36,653 Speaker 3: Labor and the Greens that we're seeing some issues with 95 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:39,533 Speaker 3: this pilot program. We probably need to wait the full 96 00:04:39,733 --> 00:04:42,973 Speaker 3: twelve months to understand what impact it's having on these 97 00:04:43,013 --> 00:04:48,053 Speaker 3: ten young individuals before fully entrenching the legislation. The legislation 98 00:04:48,093 --> 00:04:50,693 Speaker 3: has already been written, So it raises a question of 99 00:04:50,733 --> 00:04:53,333 Speaker 3: what is the purpose of a pilot when you are 100 00:04:53,333 --> 00:04:56,853 Speaker 3: going ahead with the overall thing without learning from the 101 00:04:56,893 --> 00:04:57,973 Speaker 3: pilot in the first place. 102 00:04:58,853 --> 00:05:01,013 Speaker 2: Okay, and finally to Party, Mari wants Mari to get 103 00:05:01,053 --> 00:05:04,333 Speaker 2: super annuation up to ten years before anyone else. How 104 00:05:04,413 --> 00:05:07,013 Speaker 2: have their potential coalition partners responded to this. 105 00:05:08,093 --> 00:05:10,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is a really interesting insight into the 106 00:05:11,013 --> 00:05:14,133 Speaker 3: dynamic between Labor the Greens into Party Moldy ahead of 107 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:17,053 Speaker 3: the election next year. So to party Maldi have long 108 00:05:17,173 --> 00:05:20,293 Speaker 3: had this policy where Maldi would get access to superannuation 109 00:05:20,573 --> 00:05:23,573 Speaker 3: seven to ten years earlier than ever else because of 110 00:05:23,693 --> 00:05:27,253 Speaker 3: their lower life expectancy. Now, the policy came up during 111 00:05:27,333 --> 00:05:30,773 Speaker 3: a recent Select committee session and my colleague Jane Tribe 112 00:05:30,813 --> 00:05:32,973 Speaker 3: Cheney from The Heroes though it'd be interesting to know 113 00:05:33,053 --> 00:05:35,413 Speaker 3: where Labor and the Green stood on it. Now. The 114 00:05:35,453 --> 00:05:38,493 Speaker 3: Green said that they do support some flexibility with super, 115 00:05:38,933 --> 00:05:42,573 Speaker 3: while Labor essentially refused to rule it in or out, saying, look, 116 00:05:42,613 --> 00:05:45,173 Speaker 3: we're not going to be making announcements about policy this 117 00:05:45,333 --> 00:05:49,093 Speaker 3: far from an election. But soon after that story was 118 00:05:49,133 --> 00:05:51,093 Speaker 3: published by Jane and it started to get a bit 119 00:05:51,093 --> 00:05:53,413 Speaker 3: of heat online and got the I guess the talkback 120 00:05:53,453 --> 00:05:57,813 Speaker 3: callers ringing in. Labor rang up and reversed that position, saying, no, 121 00:05:57,853 --> 00:06:01,693 Speaker 3: we would not support targeting eligibility based on ethnicity. So 122 00:06:02,173 --> 00:06:04,853 Speaker 3: a really quick u turn from Labor, but one that 123 00:06:05,053 --> 00:06:07,533 Speaker 3: they probably shouldn't have need to do in the first place. 124 00:06:07,813 --> 00:06:11,973 Speaker 3: You know, regardless of whether you support targeting super by race, 125 00:06:12,373 --> 00:06:15,413 Speaker 3: this would cost four billion dollars a year to do, 126 00:06:15,573 --> 00:06:18,693 Speaker 3: and that's simply not money that's just lying around. So 127 00:06:18,733 --> 00:06:20,293 Speaker 3: that could have been a really easy get out of 128 00:06:20,373 --> 00:06:23,013 Speaker 3: jail free card for labor, but they failed to take it. 129 00:06:23,533 --> 00:06:25,493 Speaker 2: Jamie, really nice to catch up with you. Thank you 130 00:06:25,533 --> 00:06:28,333 Speaker 2: so much. Enjoy the rest of your Easter Sunday. 131 00:06:29,533 --> 00:06:32,693 Speaker 1: For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen 132 00:06:32,813 --> 00:06:35,693 Speaker 1: live to News Talks THE'B from nine am Sunday, or 133 00:06:35,733 --> 00:06:37,893 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.