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Speaker 1: Over the past quarter century, Acumen have measured our trust

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Speaker 1: in business, NGOs, the government, the media. First time, New

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Speaker 1: Zealand's fallen into the distrust category. Business most trusted of

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Speaker 1: all the institutions, but it has had the most significant

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Speaker 1: decline this past year. Our sense of grievance is also

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Speaker 1: six percent higher than the global average. What's all this mean,

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Speaker 1: Acumen CEO Adel Kelly's with us adele Morning.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent of us have expressed a moderate or

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Speaker 1: high sense of grievances. Is that an extraordinary number. It

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Speaker 1: strikes me that two thirds of New Zealand is carrying

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Speaker 1: a grievance is not healthy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. I think when we think

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Speaker 2: about grievance, it's the sense of things are unfair and

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Speaker 2: the system is stacked against us. And when we think

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Speaker 2: about people, that's people's employees, customers, people in the community.

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Speaker 2: And I think what's really driving this is a lack

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Speaker 2: of optimism. So the research also shows that only nineteen

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Speaker 2: percent of New Zealanders thinks the next generation is going

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Speaker 2: to be better off in five years time. There's also

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Speaker 2: people navigating mis and disinformation post pandemic, and there's also

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Speaker 2: a sense that there's a high degree of cynicism in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand around business and government leaders, whether they are

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Speaker 2: intentionally misleading us or not.

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Speaker 1: Does it worry you because it might be other work

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Speaker 1: I read this week, or it could have been yours,

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Speaker 1: but this business where we believe that the politicians and

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Speaker 1: the media actively lie to us. Now, it's one thing

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Speaker 1: to go yeah, and I don't really trust somebody, but

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Speaker 1: to accuse somebody of actively lying to you is next level,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Mike. The research says mislead or exaggerate.

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Speaker 2: So since we've been doing this research, we know that

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders do have a healthy cynicism. But I do

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Speaker 2: think it's a real concern that people aren't trusting our leaders.

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Speaker 2: What we do see there though, where there's a proximity

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Speaker 2: and a relationship, So you may not trust CEOs in general,

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Speaker 2: but you trust my CEO or my employer. That's where

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Speaker 2: the opportunity lies.

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Speaker 1: I think are we an outlier in terms of our

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Speaker 1: grievance and hate and distrust and all of that.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not. Unfortunately, it's a worldwide trend and in fact,

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Speaker 2: the highest levels the those that feel the highest level

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Speaker 2: of discrimination are actually white Americans. But I think that

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Speaker 2: a lot of people will be surprised to see that

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Speaker 2: level of grievance. AM On New Zealand, we like to

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Speaker 2: think that we're kind of a more fair and inclusive society.

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Speaker 2: So it feels like we're in a fork in the

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Speaker 2: road here. We can see the trajectory and other nations

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Speaker 2: with the direction of travel where we could be going,

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Speaker 2: and I think for a lot of us, that's not

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Speaker 2: where we want to head.

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Speaker 1: Adele, appreciate your insight very much. Adele Keeley, who's the

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Speaker 1: acumen CEO of white Americans. That's how you win an election,

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Speaker 1: of course, that's how it works. COVID changed everything. In

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion, I thought there was a bubbling, underlying

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Speaker 1: sort of vibe, and then COVID changed everything and we've

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Speaker 1: never been the same since.

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