1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Uniquely for you. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: I'm the huddle with me this evening. We have Jordan 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Craig Rennie c Tou 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: economist Highlands High Team. Jordan, did you know Sir Michael Hill? 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I'd briefly met him at the Hills 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 3: Golf Club, but that was the extent of it. Yeah, 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: inspiration the way, amazing, absolutely amazing. 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: Do you do the same thing he does? Visualize your goals? 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: I did have a I have a Yeah, I have goals. 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: I don't know about that, sit down and visualize them everywhere. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: How often do you like, how far out have you 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: written your goals? 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: Uh? 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Well it changes. You see when you have kids, they 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: get totally they get totally rewritten and you operate operated 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: on about a five year rise. 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: On you know, he was doing thirty years. That's impressive. Eight. 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: I turned forty next year and listening I heard thet 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: rob five interview when I was driving out here, and 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: it is quite an effort to reinvent yourself at forty totally. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that that is one of the more 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 2: remarkable things about him, isn't it, Craig, that it's forty 24 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: years old? He decides, right, I'm finished with being a manager. 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to set up my own business. And then 26 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: look where he ended up. 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's clearly a testament to his a 28 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: and will and as you say, his you know, his 29 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 4: desire to change his life. If he was forecasting his 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: life thirty years from now. There are plenty of economists 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 4: who have terrible track records that guessing what happens next week. No, 32 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 4: I know what happens thirty years from now. I guess 33 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: for me a bit like Jordan. I have a six 34 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 4: year old at home, so just getting through the next 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 4: day is pretty much my goal right now. But in 36 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 4: terms of Sachel, you know, he clearly has an envyable 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: track record and he's someone you know who will in 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: the business community will certainly be missed. 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: He kind of Oh, sorry, Jordan's I want to know 40 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: what Craig's five year goals? 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: What's your five year gold Craig, is it to be for. 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 5: The labor part to say, ah, my five year goal, 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 5: frankly is is to still still be working and you 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 5: have not disgraced yourself in the meantime. 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 2: Minister of Finance, what's your five year gold? Jordan Humble? 46 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: Think National Party MP for Tarmaki. 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: That's taken. Have you been talking to the other half? 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: My other half? 49 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: No, my other half, that's what she she just I 50 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: can only stand in taf I if I. 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Do, I've heard and so I've heard whispers. There we go, 52 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: We're traced it back to the source. Have we lost 53 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: the plot, Craig? If we think that kids who are 54 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: on working farms can't collect the eggs. 55 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 4: It depends upon what you mean by a working farm. 56 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 4: There's all that. There's so many variables here that you know, 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: sort of really simple statements and really kind of naive 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: views of what it means to work on the farm. 59 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 4: You know, it really isn't helpful where you New Zealand 60 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: is a country that has giant health and safety problems 61 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: where it were a country that kills seventeen workers a 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 4: week as a consequences of their work. We have no 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 4: minimum age of work in New zealand And, like most 64 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 4: of the other countries around the world. So at first 65 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 4: blush it may look like we've lost the plot, but 66 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 4: actually there are probably good reasons why we have these regulations. 67 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: Could they possibly be? Okay? So let's say, let's say 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: we'll go natso on this. It's a gigantic poultry farm 69 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: full of of like gigantic chicken sheds, and Johnny is 70 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: ten years old and Dead's has come with me, Johnny, 71 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: Let's go and click digs. Right, Johnny is not allowed 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: to do that? Why not? 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: He's with us dead machinery and chemicals, animals, biosecurity. 74 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: Machinery on the toaster, and I've got chemicals under the 75 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: laundry sink. They're called like, I just feel. 76 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: Like and you're not actively encouraging your chaild to engage 77 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: with them, I imagine. 78 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: No. 79 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: But if the parents there, shouldn't they be okay? 80 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: No, because the parent, the parent, the parent may gate. 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: There's a reason why we do this, and it may 82 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: well be the first blush that you think, well, this 83 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: is a really crazy reason why. But we we have 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: we have, we have, we have a terrible health and 85 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: safety record in this country, and we actually need to 86 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: get better at it. Polking small halls and things fine, 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 4: but it's not actually going to shift the needle. Only 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: of this. 89 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: I don't did you grab on a farm, Craig. 90 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: No, godtel hall Field. 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: The the. 92 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: I mean the said reality is kids on on quad 93 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: bikes on farms. There are a lot of tragic accidents. 94 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: I'm not convinced collecting eggs from the from the chicken 95 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: coope is causing kids to fall over with the competivector. 96 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree with you. What do we 97 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: have any rules children around kids on quad bikes? 98 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: I don't know, but they're probably widely ignored and that's 99 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: probably okay. Yeah, that is part And this is what 100 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: the point farmers often make is it's not just the job, 101 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: it's actually a lifestyle. And I saw this around firearms 102 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: that you get tawnies that think it is absolutely crazy 103 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: you have kids with firearms, But that is part of 104 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: peace controllers. 105 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: When did you learn to shoot? 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 3: I would have been would have been certainly before I 107 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: was a teenager. 108 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: I loarned. Did you want to hear my story? Do 109 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: you want to hear my story? Craig, it's a good yarn. No, 110 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: no it's not. No, no, no, no, it's not. I learned 111 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: to shoot when I was I reckon, twelve years old. 112 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 2: My dad taught me to shoot rabbits, and the farm 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: that I learned to shoot on was the farm of 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: Jenny Clark, mother of Kenyan Clark of Duval fame, because 115 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: my dad and Jenny were partners. Is that a good 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: yar or what? He's basically my stepbrother? Okay, it's amazing. 117 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: Has it got that awkward? Has it got that awkward 118 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: that we're not saying anything? 119 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: We're all picturing here that it was all them with 120 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: a firearm and slightly concerned. We're all your producers. 121 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: Not We're all absorbing this, aren't we? We thought I 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: was the black sheep of the family, but actually not 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: at all. Let's take a break. 124 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones 125 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: fun mashed results. 126 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Craig Greennie and Jordan Williams. Jordan, 127 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: why don't you just admit why you didn't react at 128 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: all to what I told you? 129 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: Because immediately I thought you were talking about some. 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: You didn't know. 131 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: I know that, of course I knew that they were 132 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: now because I following it in the business media. But 133 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: I actually thought it was someone. I actually thought it 134 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: was someone cool and like popular culture and I think 135 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: Craig and I were sitting there thinking we feel we 136 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: should know y, whereas I washed that property developers. 137 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: Washed up as a kind as a kind describing word. 138 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: Right now, Hey, Craig, what do you reckon we do 139 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: about I've come this is apropos that the kid being 140 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: given the wrong you know, the phosphate at the adult level. 141 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: I've come to the conclusion that what you need to 142 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: do is except that the pharmacists and the doctors and 143 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: everybody's going to make mistakes from time to time because 144 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: they're humans, and you just need to check it yourself. 145 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: What do you think. 146 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: I think it's a really difficult thing. I'm an economist 147 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: rather than a pharmacist by trade. The advice that I've 148 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: received when I've spoken to doctors and medical professionals and 149 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: workers in this area is that your prescriptions vary wildly. 150 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: So you know, the prescriptions for some infant medications take 151 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: up to two hours to prescribe, because you have to 152 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: know the weight of the child, you have to know 153 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 4: the dosage, you have to know a range of other factors. 154 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: I think in those sorts of situations it's absolutely fair 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: to have more than one pharmacist check whether or not 156 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: that's you know, it's it's being delivered and we should 157 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: be able to trust, you know, when a pharmacist hands us, 158 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: you know, drugs with some clear instructions on that this 159 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: is what you're supposed to do, and you take them 160 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: in that fashion. This is clearly an individual tragedy. There's 161 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: going to be a lot of you know, investigations and hopefully, 162 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: you know, we'll learn something out of this terrible tragedy. 163 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: But we've you know, it seemed to be a case 164 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 4: in which if we'd had more chemists or more pharmacists 165 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: and we have a real shortage of pharmacists and using 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: an in comparison to the rest of the world, you know, 167 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: this is something that might have been able to have 168 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: been avoided. 169 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: What do you think, Jordan, your partners a specialized child nurse, 170 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: isn't she? 171 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? Here opinion on that piece was a little bit different. 172 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: Is that there's a degree of blame perhaps with the 173 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: Picko as well, for not properly showing appearance the right dice, 174 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 3: because she was describing this particular medicine. It looks like 175 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: a baraka, it looks at the pearance and being told, 176 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 3: you know, you just put the whole thing in the bottle, 177 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: rather than dissolving it and then figuring out precisely how 178 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: much and all that. 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: So you don't give all of it at once to 180 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: the baby. You take some. 181 00:08:54,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but it is. It is absolutely tragic. 182 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: I think that you know, this is just a place 183 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: to call medical misadventure, medical mistake. It's just so traegeric 184 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: reading that story that it's you, it's your precious child. 185 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: Don't you do this? Don't you do this? Children? You 186 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: get a bottle of pamel, right, and it says give 187 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: give baby mackay five mills of pamel. And then this 188 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: is what the doctors decided based on awake and stuff. 189 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: I know, wait eight point six kges. I look on 190 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: the side. I go, oh, yep, no, he's got that right. 191 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: It matches up with what it says on the side 192 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: of the bottle. 193 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: Do you not do that? 194 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 195 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 4: I do. 196 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: And of course I'm giving very clear instructions from the 197 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: other half on all of this stuff. And yeah, I 198 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: mean you mentioned earlier check GBT. I've been finding a 199 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: lot more on anything medical. You're running it through check 200 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: GBT and asking for advice, and I think that something 201 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: like this will certainly be There'll be parents out there 202 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 3: like like me who looked at that and thought, I 203 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: knew want to be in that situation. Just take a 204 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: heartbreaking it. 205 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: Totally is guys, Thank you so much, Appreciate it. Craig Reenny, 206 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: Jordan Williams a huddle this evening, It's eight away from six. 207 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 208 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: Newstalk SETB from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 209 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio