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Speaker 1: Well, what a week in politics, and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Barry Sooper, who is wrapping the week for us from

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Speaker 1: the behive. Let's start with the faery debacle. Barry, What

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Speaker 1: a way for the government to limp into the end

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Speaker 1: of the year.

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Speaker 2: Well, you could say they've been derailed, haven't they, Right

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year. The timing couldn't have

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Speaker 2: been worse for them, although in some ways it couldn't

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Speaker 2: be better either, because everyone will go off and the

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Speaker 2: holidays now and likely forget, although holidays are very much

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Speaker 2: part of the ferry service, so it'll be in some

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Speaker 2: people's minds anyway. But Winston Peters essentially has got until

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Speaker 2: next March to come up with a better deal than

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Speaker 2: what the government was planning. And the government really had

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Speaker 2: arrived at the end point. I suspect that they were

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Speaker 2: going to make the announcement this week. As a fatal

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Speaker 2: com plea, Winston Peter's pulled the plug. Said I want

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Speaker 2: to be Minister of Railways. I've been in this job before.

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Speaker 2: I can do it, and in fact I can do

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Speaker 2: it better than you. I can get a better deal.

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Speaker 2: Let's it set up a company and they'll do They'll

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Speaker 2: procure the fairies through that company. Well that's the idea anyway, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: But we'll find out this March whether Winston's negotiating skills

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Speaker 2: are better than those of Nikola Willis and other government ministers.

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Speaker 2: So really it's a bit of a standoff, and you've

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Speaker 2: got a real standoff between David Seymour on the one

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Speaker 2: hand and Winston Peters on the other Seamwel's talking about privatization,

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Speaker 2: flogging off forty nine percent of the Royal network to

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Speaker 2: independent investors, whereas Winston doesn't want a bar of it.

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Speaker 2: The other thing Winston is apparently seems to be insisting

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Speaker 2: on is having a roll on, roll off train service

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Speaker 2: through the ferries as well, to make it a seamless

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Speaker 2: bottom of the South Island to the top of the

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Speaker 2: North rail network. So we'll see what happens when it

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Speaker 2: comes out in the wash. But I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of dirty linen heared in this wash.

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Speaker 1: Certainly has been. And I noticed that they're shifting slightly

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Speaker 1: shifting the goalposts as well by talking about four billion

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Speaker 1: dollars rather than three billion. But anyway, that's besides the point.

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Speaker 2: They focus was plucked out, wasn't it right? Four billion? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 1: Someone who is getting or an organization that is going

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Speaker 1: to be getting an injection of cash from the private

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Speaker 1: sector is Kiwi Banks. The four big banks have been

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Speaker 1: given a big telling off by Nichola Willis this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, the competition and Kiwibank's getting a five hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar cash injection from the private sector. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: this is going to change nothing in the long term.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you listen to those that made the announcement,

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Speaker 2: namely Nikola Willison, go they say that it's going to

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Speaker 2: make Kiwu Bank much more competitive, not just in the

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Speaker 2: business market, but in the mortgage market as well. So

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Speaker 2: they believe that this half billion dollar injection will in

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Speaker 2: fact make Kiwi Bank a very different bank. Now. The

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Speaker 2: Kiwi Bank's parent company, Kiwi Group Capital, and the Treasury.

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Speaker 2: They've been directed to talk to places like the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Kiwi Saver Funds, the New Zealand investment institutions and

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Speaker 2: investor groups about coming up with the money. So they've

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Speaker 2: still got a long way to go. Even though the

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Speaker 2: idea that Kiwi Bank will be capitalized, the capital is

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Speaker 2: not in the bank, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: At this point, greyhound's racing getting the chopp by Winston.

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Speaker 1: Big week for Winston Peters this week, but they do

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Speaker 1: have twenty months to phase themselves out, Yes they do.

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Speaker 2: And I know you'll be housing one because you like dogs, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: that almost three thousand dogs will have to be rehoused.

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Speaker 2: The past legislation this week under urgency to stop greyhound

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Speaker 2: owners from slaughtering the races. So whither that'll stop, basically

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Speaker 2: greyhound's being put to death is another matter. But Winston Peters,

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Speaker 2: he says, the public appetite for dog racing has fallen

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Speaker 2: away dramatically and he believes the sport is cruel. But

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Speaker 2: then when you look at horse racing, for example, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: there are more injuries and deaths in horse racing than

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Speaker 2: there are in greyhound racing. So you can imagine why

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Speaker 2: the greyhound racing organizations are very upset about that. Greyhounds

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Speaker 2: have been racing in New Zealand starting my home province

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Speaker 2: of Southland away back in eighteen seventy six. So it's

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Speaker 2: a very long standing way of gambling in this country.

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Speaker 2: But we're only one of five countries in the world

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Speaker 2: now that has greyhound racing. So it seems that we're

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Speaker 2: following an international trend.

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Speaker 1: Had a couple of holes out this week. We one

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Speaker 1: News and we had the Carrier Pole, both of them

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Speaker 1: showing a bump for to Party Maori, but also for

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Speaker 1: the ACT Party, particularly at Carrier Pole for the ACT Party.

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Speaker 1: Big jump from them stealing votes from National over the

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Speaker 1: Treaty bill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible, isn't it When you think Nationals down

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Speaker 2: four point six percent to this is in the Carrier

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Speaker 2: Pole to thirty four, Labors down four point six percent,

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Speaker 2: the same to twenty six point nine and who comes

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Speaker 2: through the middle. Act. Now, this is a real campaign

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Speaker 2: by ACT and not just the Treaty settlements but other

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Speaker 2: issues like the rail. They're making a lot of play

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Speaker 2: on that. So they seem to certainly on the Treaty

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Speaker 2: settlement thing be becoming popular with National Party voters. They're

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Speaker 2: up four and a half percent, thirteen percent. It'll give

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Speaker 2: them if there was an election held today, which of

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Speaker 2: course there won't be, give them seventeen seats in Parliament.

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Speaker 2: And ironically that's exactly the same number that Winston p

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Speaker 2: It has had when MMP first came into being in

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Speaker 2: ninety six.

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Speaker 1: I did my Herald column about that this week because

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Speaker 1: if I mean on those numbers, and yeah, they're just

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Speaker 1: one poll from one Polster in one month, but yeh,

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Speaker 1: on those numbers, that's national and act together alone, you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's surely got to be the goal, right that

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Speaker 1: both of these smaller parties want to kick the other

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Speaker 1: one out, don't they?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, you know, as we know in the

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Speaker 2: lead up to the last election, there is no love

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Speaker 2: loss and wasn't just a lead up to the election.

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Speaker 2: There's never been any love lost between Winston Peters and

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Speaker 2: David Seymour. They would die hard enemies. They've said the

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Speaker 2: worst things about each other you could possibly say in politics.

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Speaker 2: And then nevertheless they're sitting around the same cabine at

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Speaker 2: table now.

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Speaker 1: And that's what this very thing is bringing to the

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Speaker 1: full right is you've got David Sema on the one

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Speaker 1: side who wants, you know, a private privatization approach to this.

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Speaker 1: He wants a capital approach to this, a market approach,

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Speaker 1: and Winston Peter's with his nationalist approach and they just

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Speaker 1: don't work together. So if you can kick the one out,

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Speaker 1: then your argument gets this way, right, with Luxon and co.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, both both Winston and David Seyma would like

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Speaker 2: to see each other kicked out of Parliament, well one

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Speaker 2: and the other, so you know it could possibly happen.

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Speaker 2: In fact, keeps on the way it's going in terms

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Speaker 2: of public popularity. But I tell you what, there's a

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Speaker 2: hell of a lot of water to flow under the

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Speaker 2: political bridge between now and the next election run.

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Speaker 1: And not a lot of fairies to get them across

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Speaker 1: at Barry, thank you very much for that, Barry Soaper,

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