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Speaker 1: Impressing the newsweekers to get the real story. Here's Jack

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Speaker 1: team on hither duper c Ellen Drive with one New

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Speaker 2: EDB Kyoda, Good afternoon, Welcome to Newstalks Edb. Here there

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Speaker 2: has one more day, one more afternoon off. How long

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Speaker 2: has this holiday been? For goodness sake? Six weeks? Seven

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Speaker 2: start off tomorrow by whifing about retail shops not being

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Speaker 2: big show for you. This afternoon, right after five o'clock,

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Speaker 2: we're going to speak with Local EWE at Mount Monganui.

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Speaker 2: They have been meeting this afternoon to try and work

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Speaker 2: so we're going to catch up with Local EWE and

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Speaker 2: see what has been agreed at their meeting this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: As well as that New Zealand Rugby CEO Steve Lancaster

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Speaker 2: will explain why New Zealand Rugby has tightened the criteria

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six is about to kick off, so we'll

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Speaker 2: get the inside word shortly. Right now, it is eight

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Speaker 2: minutes past four zedby Well, the clock is ticking for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby as the decision makers who ultimately decided

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Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald reports today that Joe Schmidt won't be

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Speaker 2: Ninety two ninety two is the text number ninety two

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Speaker 2: co dot nz. It's ten past four. Work Safe has

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Speaker 2: Mike Cosin from the New Zealand Institute of Safety Management

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Speaker 2: is whetherus this afternoon, giddo, Mike, good day Jack. So

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Speaker 4: Yes, so this is where it gets quite quite complicated,

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Speaker 5: So, as I say it, narrow is it down? Then

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Speaker 2: He'd be Jack. We need Joshmitt, we need him. He's

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Speaker 2: Mary sent me a note to say, Jack, the owners

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Speaker 1: The day's newspeakers talk to Jack First, Jack Tame on

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Speaker 2: Twenty five to five on Newstalk's ed V, Jack Tame

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Speaker 2: in the hot seat today. So the premier surfing event

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Speaker 1: It's the World Wires on Newstalks edby Drive.

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Speaker 2: And Minnesota Governor Tim Walls has asked President Trump to

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Speaker 6: I've got a question for all of you, which side

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Speaker 7: When someone chooses to listen to a politician, a so

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Speaker 8: So what it means to me today is a standing

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Speaker 2: We'll have more on that from Olipedison in a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes. And finally, Schuemeyer, what more could you wish for?

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Speaker 2: In a hot dog seeking annual, Wieni five hundred has

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends an Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: And ABC PERF. Dollie Peterson is with us this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Happy Australia Day.

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Speaker 3: Happy Australia Day, Jack.

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Speaker 9: Although it's becoming less and less popular to actually say that.

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Speaker 2: It's just so divisive.

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Speaker 9: And when you just played that clip in the World

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Speaker 2: Maybe not not to throw you too many suggestions only,

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Speaker 9: We're talking about Mount Hope, which many people have probably

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Speaker 9: going on for some time, and it is a delicate

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Speaker 9: police operation at the moment, but they do continue that

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Speaker 9: search and no doubt family members of the Queens that

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Speaker 9: are looking for some answers here and some sort of

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Speaker 9: justification about what exactly went down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hideous story, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: Hey.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I have been loving the Australian Open,

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Speaker 2: as I do every year. Honestly, it might be my

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Speaker 2: favorite of the Major's. What I haven't been loving is

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Speaker 2: the number of people posting these kind of little smeary

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Speaker 2: photos from the upper reaches of the Australian Open stands,

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Speaker 2: trying to imply that they're really you know, socially significant,

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Speaker 2: or they're in it he or she of the moment.

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Speaker 2: Are there too many influences that the Australian Open.

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Speaker 9: Well, this is what's frustrating fans. I haven't seen so

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Speaker 9: much interest in the cues at the Australian Open this year.

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Speaker 9: Some people claiming that the wait for about five hours

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Speaker 9: to get into the main arena to actually be able

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Speaker 9: to watch a little bit of tennis.

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Speaker 2: So they're taking it out of the.

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Speaker 9: Face fact that the Australian Open organizers have decided to

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Speaker 9: deploy As you said, they're jack dozens and dozens of

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Speaker 9: influencers who are able to post a TikTok at Instagram

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Speaker 9: and the like. The fact that they were there, they

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Speaker 9: were at Center Court, and this is rubbing the noses

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Speaker 9: the wrong way of the thousands and thousands of fans

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Speaker 9: who not only are waiting in those cues but have

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Speaker 9: missed out on tickets.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it just the way of the world though?

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Speaker 9: Now, I mean, if you're trying to look at trying

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Speaker 9: to appeal to a new audience or the next generation,

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Speaker 9: you've got to pull these leads of social media. It's

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Speaker 9: the necessary evil unfortunately, So I don't know, I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, hats off to probably the Australian Open ultimately

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Speaker 9: to try and get as much coverage in as many

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Speaker 9: people interested as possible and get the Australian Open trending.

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Speaker 9: That's probably their goal for the KPIs and the communications director,

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Speaker 9: and he or she's probably succeeding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the mere fact that they're popping up on

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Speaker 2: my feed would suggest that, Yeah, from a marketing perspective,

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Speaker 2: they're probably doing a run. I'm just not sure that

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Speaker 2: it's necessarily aspirational. So are they actually are they giving

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Speaker 2: these people free tickets? Is that it are they? Are

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Speaker 2: they paying costs? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Right, okay, well there is something yes, and some may

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Speaker 9: be paid for their posts maybe Jack. This is just

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Speaker 9: your way of trying to get some free tickets in

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Speaker 9: Australia next Year's on your social.

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Speaker 2: Media, Olie, you need a few more followers than I

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Speaker 2: can boast. I'm afraid, no, no, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: but very much enjoying the competition. To appreciate your time

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Speaker 2: This afternoon, Olie Peterson from ABC Perth marking Australia Day

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Speaker 2: today and near some pretty pretty ugly scenes that have

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Speaker 2: become typical. It's interesting watching from a far when you

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Speaker 2: one step removed looking at looking at Australia Day every year,

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Speaker 2: it really does feel like that day has become more

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Speaker 2: and more contentious. Now, speaking of contentious, Winston Peters has

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Speaker 2: questioned the relevance of the WHO, so the US of

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Speaker 2: course is pulled out of the WHO pulled back its funding.

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Speaker 2: Says that basically the WHO is bloated. We're not getting

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Speaker 2: good value for money. They've become concerned with things that

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be a concern and Winston Peters has offered an

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Speaker 2: ear of support to that message. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: take a closer look at that after five o'clock this

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Speaker 2: morning and consider what it might mean for the government

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Speaker 2: at large to have a foreign minister taking that position.

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Speaker 2: In a couple of minutes, of course, the first Cabinet

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Speaker 2: meeting of twenty twenty six to kick off Parliament's first

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Speaker 2: day tomorrow sixteen to five on Newstalk's he'db.

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Speaker 3: Politics with Centric Credit, Check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Surtaday thirteen to five and senior political correspondent Azaria, How

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Speaker 2: is with us now, Gidde Azaria? Parliament is back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Finally the weight is over. You must be chomping at

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Speaker 2: the bit.

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Speaker 12: The first time back since the summer break. It really

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Speaker 12: feels like school is back in session. To be honest,

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Speaker 12: I mean, let's go into what we're expecting. First of all,

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Speaker 12: a cabinet meeting. There's no post cabinet press conference today

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Speaker 12: because well there's no cabinet today. Cabinet is meeting tomorrow

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Speaker 12: because today is Auckland Anniversary Day and also because of

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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister Chris Luxon has been in communities impacted

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Speaker 12: by the severe weather events and landslips he's been speaking

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Speaker 12: to people on the ground and those who have lost loves,

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Speaker 12: loved ones and on this. Just now we've heard from

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Speaker 12: Chris Hopkins who says he wants to see the terms

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Speaker 12: of reference on a potential inquiry. We're also expecting Labour's

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Speaker 12: caucus to meet as well. One of the first things

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Speaker 12: on the agenda is whether or not it will support

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Speaker 12: the Free Trade Agreement with India. This is significant because

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Speaker 12: New Zealand first has not supported that FTA, but ACT

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Speaker 12: and National are backing it. Just on this, Labor MP

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Speaker 12: Damien O'Connor has said there's been some speculation in the

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Speaker 12: Indian community that Labor has made a decision on whether

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Speaker 12: or not it should support the FTA. He says some

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Speaker 12: discussion has occurred, but no decision has been made. So

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Speaker 12: I'm sure there will be questions put to Labor MPs,

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Speaker 12: including Hipkins, about where the party stands. But also if

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Speaker 12: any MPs are split on that, does Labor support it

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Speaker 12: entirely oppose it entirely? Will there be some people who

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Speaker 12: speak out one way or another, We have to wait

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Speaker 12: and see for that. We're also likely to see Parliament

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Speaker 12: move emotion to express its thanks to emergency services, and

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Speaker 12: to also commemorate those who have been lost in those

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Speaker 12: severe weather events that we've seen. It's also likely to

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Speaker 12: bring about a debate around climate action, particularly you'd expect

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Speaker 12: from parties like the Greens. But in a press conference

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Speaker 12: that kicked off about half past four, so really just

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Speaker 12: a few minutes ago, Labor Leader Chris Hopkins said that

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Speaker 12: the government has dragged its heels around climate change and resilience,

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Speaker 12: so it seems like that conversation is taking place. The

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Speaker 12: first day back at Parliament will be a significant one.

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Speaker 12: Though we're officially in election year. We're excited to see

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Speaker 12: some more sort of politicking take place this year and

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Speaker 12: what happens tomorrow and across the week will really set

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Speaker 12: the scene for what we're expecting a White hongey, but

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Speaker 12: also maybe throughout the campaign in and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters is questioning whether New Zealand should continue funding

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Speaker 2: the World Health Organization.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it all really kicked off after the

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Speaker 12: Trump administration announced the US had withdrawn from the WHO.

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Speaker 12: Winston Peter's posted on social media saying with the US

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Speaker 12: withdrawing its membership, it puts into question the current state

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Speaker 12: of the WHI it's effectiveness if our money is being

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Speaker 12: spent responsibly instead of here at home. And as MP's

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Speaker 12: returned to Parliament, as I've said, it's likely there'll be

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Speaker 12: questions to the PM, the Health Minister, potentially the act

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Speaker 12: Leader is part of the coalition to see where the

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Speaker 12: other parties in the coalition stand on the who.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting speaking as New Zealand First Leader rather

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Speaker 2: than Foreign Minister right on those comments, but yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 2: Interesting also to consider Winston Peter's response to Donald Trump's

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Speaker 2: comments regarding NATO troops in Afghanistan the other day. There

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Speaker 2: has been some criticism from former Foreign Minister Phil Goff,

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Speaker 2: who I think of course lost his nephew in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 2: about those comments and about the lack of response from

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters, and now MP's are weighing in as well.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: So, American President Donald Trump recently said that troops from

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Speaker 12: NATO countries were not on the first line during the

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Speaker 12: war in Afghanistan other than the US, and it sparked

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Speaker 12: significant backlash from across the globe. Australian Prime Minister Anthony

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Speaker 12: Alberanzi called it out, so did UK Prime Minister Kiirstarma.

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Speaker 12: In New Zealand, Associate Defense Minister Chris pank has said

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Speaker 12: that he agrees with Judith Collins. We take great pride

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Speaker 12: in the professionalism, courage and commitment of all who served

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Speaker 12: in Afghanistan and indeed all of our ex service personnel.

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Speaker 12: Both say we continue to honor the memory of n

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Speaker 12: z DF personnel who lost their lives in Afghanistan. It

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Speaker 12: is though worth noting. Albanesi said Trump's comments were completely unacceptable,

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Speaker 12: Starma calling them frankly appalling. So there has been slightly

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Speaker 12: less strong language from the coalition here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Now, if I'm not just referring to the exact words

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Speaker 2: that Trump used, he did refer to NATO tropes because

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is not part of NATO.

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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, that is correct. But there still has been

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Speaker 12: quite a lot of just backlash of course the globe

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Speaker 12: as you did, as you probably expect with something like this,

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Speaker 12: I mean, the U kay's backlash has been very significant.

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Speaker 12: I believe it was more than four hundred people died

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Speaker 12: in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thanks for your time, Asaria, and good luck tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Asara how senior political correspondent, counting down the minutes to

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Speaker 2: the start of Parliament twenty six after five o'clock on

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Speaker 2: Newstalk said be the interim New Zealand Rugby CEO Steve

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Speaker 2: Lancaster is going to be with us in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Rugby today, confirming a bit more of the process for

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Speaker 2: finding a new All Blacks coach. Two prerequisites. Number one

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Speaker 2: you've got to be in New Zealand. A number two

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Speaker 2: you have to have experience coaching an international team, international

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Speaker 2: as in a country's team, not as in an international

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Speaker 2: club team. So he's going to explain to us why

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Speaker 2: they have set that as the prerequisite and how they're

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Speaker 2: going to go about finalizing their selection panels. So as

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Speaker 2: well as having David Kirk and Kevin Milamou on the

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Speaker 2: selection panel, Steve Lancaster is looking to appoint a former

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Speaker 2: All Black, a recent former All Black onto the selection

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Speaker 2: panel to decide the new All Blacks coach. As far

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Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, it narrows down the potential applicants quite magnificantly.

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Speaker 2: So he'll be with us after five. Right now, it

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Speaker 2: is seven minutes to five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: Tourism, good economic news, three point four eight million arrivals,

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Speaker 13: highest level since March of twenty twenty. Runt Webster is

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Speaker 13: the chief executive of Tourism Holdings Limited.

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Speaker 11: Do you see it?

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Speaker 14: Absolutely yeah, and I think there's more to come. January

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Speaker 14: February are going to be even better than what we've

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Speaker 14: just seen released for naviumbats.

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Speaker 13: So is your story this year? Are you still a

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Speaker 13: bit trend seasonal because the idea is that we're just

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Speaker 13: busy all year round.

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Speaker 14: I know we're very very seasonal, and I think that's

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Speaker 14: the next thing for us to continue to look at.

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Speaker 14: You know, funding, seasons and regions are the three things

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Speaker 14: that I would say the next big strategic things because

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Speaker 14: the whole comparison to pre COVID we're just about over that.

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 13: Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB coming.

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Speaker 2: Up to five o'clock on News Talk ZEDB. After five,

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Speaker 2: we're going to catch up with Phil Goff. He has

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Speaker 2: been really really critical of Winston Peter's response to Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's comments regarding NATO. True, of course, Phil Gough was

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Speaker 2: fired by Winston Peters, so there is certainly a bit

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Speaker 2: of history there. But he's gonna talk to us a

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Speaker 2: bit about that after five o'clock. Thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 2: Heaps and heaps of texts have come through regarding the

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Speaker 2: state of Mount Mongonui and trees that were or weren't

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Speaker 2: removed from from the mountain, whether or not that might

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Speaker 2: have contributed to an contributed to an unstable environment. So

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was asked about this today and he

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Speaker 2: was very very strong in his comments in that he said,

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Speaker 2: we need to hold off and wait. There is a

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Speaker 2: lot of misinformation about the state of the Monga and

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Speaker 2: what has or hasn't been done to secure some of

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Speaker 2: the land around Mount Monganui in the past, and it's

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Speaker 2: going to be the responsibility of the inquiry to try

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Speaker 2: and establish exactly what has or hasn't been done, Jack

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Speaker 2: says Bill. The nasty people are now all geotechnical experts

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Speaker 2: in hindsight and want of witch hunt. Regarding the mount landslide,

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Speaker 2: that campground and hillside have been stable for the many

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Speaker 2: years that I've been going there and probably forever. This

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Speaker 2: is just a tragic accident. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's been totally stable, Bill, but certainly the extent to

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Speaker 2: which there should have been a warning for this is

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Speaker 2: going to be subject to the inquiry and the priority

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Speaker 2: right now is the immediate response. After five New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Rugby's interim CEO on the coaching appointment process and the

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Speaker 2: latest from the mount News is next on newstorg WB.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the fact and give the analysis.

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Speaker 3: Jack Dame on Hither Duplicy allan.

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 1: mobile news doorg zibb Jerad.

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Speaker 2: The Good Evening Eerie leaders are holding off on their

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Speaker 2: position on a long term rahui at Mountain Monganui following

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Speaker 2: the deadly landslide. Some comatua have called for permanent closure

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Speaker 2: of the mountain, saying it needs to heal before it

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Speaker 2: can be used again. The leaders of Knight ed Ungi,

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Speaker 2: Nazi Rangi Nui Nati Pukinger say e we want to

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Speaker 2: support the effort to recover bodies and then long term

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Speaker 2: decisions can be made.

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Speaker 15: We haven't had a as we haven't had agree with

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Speaker 15: our co Martworth to discuss what are the long term

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Speaker 15: plan for Mowhiles.

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Speaker 2: Buddy Makaidi is a historian from Nati Pou Kinga and

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Speaker 2: Nati yungy Nui and he's with us this evening. Calder buddy,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Can you talk us

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Speaker 2: through this decision making process?

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Speaker 10: Well, Mama was handed back to the EWI. There's another

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Speaker 10: eween Vold which is Whitea as part of the treaty settlement,

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Speaker 10: and so that's when the trust was first established. And

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Speaker 10: it's well, while the mona is owned by the EUI,

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Speaker 10: it's a joint arrangement with the Tarnia City Council to

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Speaker 10: have it as a public reserve. And so there's a

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Speaker 10: joint committee between the Trust and all the other organizations

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Speaker 10: that have interests on the manga, and that's the body

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Speaker 10: which in the end makes decisions. But certainly the ewe

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Speaker 10: voice is an important one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And obviously the priority right now for

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Speaker 2: the EWI and for everyone involved is the immediate recovery

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Speaker 2: that I think we would all agree has to be

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Speaker 2: the priority at the stage. But as this protest process continues,

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Speaker 2: some e we have called for a permanent closure in

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Speaker 2: the past, so is that likely to be something that

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Speaker 2: will be considered?

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Speaker 10: Oh, I'm sure there'll be consideration, Yes it has. It

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Speaker 10: did come up in my time on the trust as well.

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Speaker 10: It's a difficult one. I mean, there's obviously a respect

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Speaker 10: for Rahu that should be placed on it now, which

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Speaker 10: is what's happening, and I just can't believe reports that

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Speaker 10: people are trying to get through the barriers for goodness sake.

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Speaker 10: But anyway, apart from that, yes, there needs to be

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Speaker 10: a rest, and I think during we should take advantage

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Speaker 10: of that time to have a proper review of the

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Speaker 10: entire moment the track system, to see where likely has

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Speaker 10: it might be and to note those and put in place,

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Speaker 10: you know, actions that might prevent this from happening again

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Speaker 10: in the future. I'm pretty sure that's a very vital

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Speaker 10: exercise that needs to happen. We need to review, i

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Speaker 10: think our planting plan for the manga where we're gradually

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Speaker 10: working around to the eastern southeastern side of the Mona,

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Speaker 10: which is that's been kept clear in the past through

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Speaker 10: sheep grazing and that kind of thing. But probably the

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Speaker 10: time has come to make sure that the manga is

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Speaker 10: probably quoted, I think as some people describe it with

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Speaker 10: native vegetation, and so that's an ongoing project as well.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, a number of things that could take place

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Speaker 10: during that pause in the in the use of the mona.

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Speaker 10: But you know, some being someone who's been the many, many,

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Speaker 10: many times, I wouldn't like to see other people denied

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Speaker 10: the opportunity to just view the bay appleaded from the

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Speaker 10: top of the moner going forward into the future.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Buddy, Thanks so much, Kelder. That is

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Speaker 2: Buddy Machaidy, Nati Pookinger and Nati Rongy, Nui historian. It's

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Speaker 2: ten past five news talk z be Well, the search

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Speaker 2: is on to find the next All Blacks coach and

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby has set up a five person panel

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Speaker 2: to shortlist and interview candidates. But here's the catch. They

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Speaker 2: are inviting only New Zealand coaches to apply. So you've

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Speaker 2: got to be a Kiwi, you've got to have the passport,

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Speaker 2: and you have to have international coaching experience. Interim New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby Chief Executive Steve Lancaster is with us this evening.

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Speaker 2: Kelder Steve Jack, why does the coach have to be

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Speaker 2: a New Zealander.

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Speaker 11: Well, firstly, it's the All Blacks and we just think

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Speaker 11: it's important to have a New Zealander at the helm

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Speaker 11: of a team. But equally importantly as the fact that

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Speaker 11: we InCred we're blessed in New Zealand with the caliber

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Speaker 11: of coaches that we have and continue to produce. So

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Speaker 11: we're confident that there is a good number of coaches

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Speaker 11: both here in New Zealand and around the world that

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Speaker 11: are capable of coaching the All Blacks, and we don't

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Speaker 11: think we need to go outside of that.

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Speaker 2: Why do you require international coaching experience?

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Speaker 11: Well, we're two years out from the World Cup, midway

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Speaker 11: through a World Cup cycle and so we simply don't

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Speaker 11: have time for someone to get up to speed in

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Speaker 11: the international context. It's really important that we appoint someone

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Speaker 11: who knows exactly what they're coming into and can hit

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Speaker 11: the ground running.

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Speaker 2: What level of international experience is necessary, So we.

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Speaker 11: Want a head coach and you know, while we're not

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Speaker 11: closing anything off here, it's important that there've been a

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Speaker 11: head coach an international rugby and you know there'll be

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Speaker 11: an element of subjectivity of this, but we'd want someone.

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Speaker 11: We'd want to see that they've coached out a reasonable

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Speaker 11: stand in terms of their international head coaching.

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Speaker 2: Would Brazil be a reasonable standard.

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Speaker 11: Probably not right, I don't want to you've tetic on

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Speaker 11: any of these things. But I'm not sure that we

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Speaker 11: have a New Zealander that's coaching.

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Speaker 2: Brazil, do we or his coach Scott robertson coach Brazil.

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Speaker 11: Oh well, you know more than than I do on

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Speaker 11: that one.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so that wouldn't that wouldn't cut the

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Speaker 2: mustard this time, this time round. What you said, a

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Speaker 2: number of New Zealanders you think would be sufficiently qualified

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Speaker 2: for the job. Have you heard anything from Josh Matt.

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Speaker 11: Well, look, as you said at the head, you know,

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Speaker 11: there are things I can and can't speak about. One

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Speaker 11: thing I can't once speak about as any individual potential candidates.

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Speaker 2: Right, what about time frames? When are you trying to

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Speaker 2: have a coach in place by.

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Speaker 11: Well, we again, we don't want to put a deadline

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Speaker 11: on this because that's inherently dangerous in these type of processes.

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Speaker 11: But we're mindful that the clock is attacking. We need

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Speaker 11: to give this the urgency and the care that it requires,

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Speaker 11: so we will be moving as quickly as possible. But

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Speaker 11: as a so there'll be and how I'm going to

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Speaker 11: fluid to see that, because that's the nature of these processes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Ideally, do you want to coach to be

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Speaker 2: in place during the Super Rugby season?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 11: Oh ideally yeah, Like I mean, I'll make no bones

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Speaker 11: about it. We would like a coach in place as

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Speaker 11: soon as possible, and we'll be working towards that once

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Speaker 11: we know who the appoint is.

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Speaker 2: Theoretically, would it be easier to have a coach who's

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Speaker 2: currently in New Zealand Would it be timelier to get

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Speaker 2: them in place than a coach who's currently working overseas?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Not necessarily. And again I don't want to give us

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Speaker 11: too much to do here because we get into the

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Speaker 11: sphere of speculation.

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Speaker 6: But no, not really.

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Speaker 11: I mean we offer in the global marketplace and location

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Speaker 11: really doesn't have any Your current location doesn't really have

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Speaker 11: any bearing on when someone would be able to start.

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Speaker 2: You're yet to confirm who the former All Back, the

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Speaker 2: recent former All Black to go on the selection panel

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Speaker 2: will be. Can you give us a bit of a

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Speaker 2: time period, like, are you looking at an All Black

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Speaker 2: who's been in the team in the last couple of

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Speaker 2: years or are you thinking pre two thousands? Say?

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Speaker 11: You know, certainly more in the latter space, and again

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Speaker 11: we're not putting a cutoff on that, but we think

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Speaker 11: it's really important that we have someone who has some

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Speaker 11: recency in the environment, who understands the game currently, the

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Speaker 11: demands on the team, the context, and so yeah, we're

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Speaker 11: looking at someone that has relative recency in the team environment.

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Speaker 11: A World Cup winner, well possibly that would be great,

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Speaker 11: but again we wouldn't we wouldn't close it off to

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Speaker 11: only World Cup winners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Hey, appreciate your time and you're keeping

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Speaker 2: us up to date with things. Steve, good on you.

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Speaker 11: You're welcome. Thanks Jack.

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Speaker 2: That's Steve Lancaster, the interim New Zealand Rugby chief executive.

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Speaker 2: So did you watch it? Speaking of athletic pursuits and achievements,

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Speaker 2: American free Climbate Extraordinary rock climber Alex Honald climbed the

825
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Speaker 2: one hundred and one stories of the Incredible Tower in

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Speaker 2: Taiwan live on Netflix. Very controversial because he had no rope,

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Speaker 2: so what if something were to go wrong. I think

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Speaker 2: millions of people around the world tuned in and watched it.

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Speaker 2: I personally couldn't stomach it. Will last our panel before

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Speaker 2: six o'clock this evening. Next up though. The massive surfing

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Speaker 2: event headed to Raglan in a few months time. Quarterbas

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Speaker 2: five on newstalks ZEDB eighteen past five. You're with Jack

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Speaker 2: tam and for Heather on newstalks Hedb. The good news

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Speaker 2: is that Heather is back from her long, long long break.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow Jack rickon Conrad Smith is going to be the

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Speaker 2: ex all black on the panel, says bez And, regarding

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Speaker 2: Scott Robinson's tenure as the Brazil head coach. To be fair,

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Speaker 2: I had absolutely no idea about that until this week

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Speaker 2: as well. I think it was a bit of a

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Speaker 2: deal stitched up with the Crusaders. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two ninety two is our text number if you

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Speaker 2: want to get in touch. Jacket newstalks Hedb dot co

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Speaker 2: dot nz And the premi yere surfing event in the

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Speaker 2: world is headed to New Zealand. The fourth stop in

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Speaker 2: this year's World Surf League is going to be held

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Speaker 2: in Raglan. It's happening in May. It's going to feature

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Speaker 2: more than fifty of the world's best surfers and Ben

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Speaker 2: Kennings as Chief executive of Surfing New Zealand, he's with

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Speaker 2: us this evening. Gid A Ben just how big is this?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, good evening Jack huge for surf surfing in New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: It's obviously the biggest event that's ever come to our

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Speaker 16: shores and we can't wait to host those best surfers

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Speaker 16: in the world.

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Speaker 17: It's going to be pretty spectacular viewing.

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Speaker 2: So how many people are we expecting to attend and

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Speaker 2: to bring into the country for us?

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Speaker 16: Look, so in terms of athletes, it's the top thirty

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Speaker 16: six males and the top twenty four females. And then

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Speaker 16: as I understand it with the World Surf League, I

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Speaker 16: think there's eighty staff that are part of the event

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Speaker 16: management team. And then you've got all the visitors that

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Speaker 16: are going to come and hopefully enjoy some of our

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Speaker 16: amazing waves that we have an offer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what makes Ragland the right place for us?

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Speaker 16: Well, Ragland's our best break in New Zealand. I guess

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Speaker 16: everyone likes to think their own home break is good,

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Speaker 16: but Ragland has three amazing point breaks. They break around

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Speaker 16: a rocky outcrop around Mount Kadioi, and as they peel

869
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Speaker 16: around that mountain, the waves just get cleaner and cleaner

870
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Speaker 16: as they come in. So often when the rest of

871
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 16: the West coast is blown out or southwesterly wind comes through.

872
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 16: It's a bit unruly, but Raglan can still be really

873
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 16: nice because of that mountain. So very fortunate to have

874
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 16: that break here.

875
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Speaker 2: So is the government chipping in a bit for this? Absolutely?

876
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 16: So the WSL, with the World Surf League and the

877
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 16: government have worked together to make this event possible and

878
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 16: they've been working pretty hard on different options throughout the

879
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 16: last few months and they ended up on this World

880
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 16: Tour event, which is awesome.

881
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: Right, how much are they putting in.

882
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 16: That's a question for the WSL on Probably not at

883
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 16: that level to be bear jack, but look substantial amount

884
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Speaker 16: of money. I know that the World Surf League create

885
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Speaker 16: their own broadcasts. They have a million dollars of prize

886
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 16: money at every event. And then you've got a whole

887
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 16: event build so you're not sort of it's not a

888
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 16: latch key thing where you go into a stadium and

889
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 16: everything's there. You've actually got to build a whole event

890
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 16: site and know and cater to all the people going

891
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 16: to come and watch those best surfers in the world.

892
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, I think we were last going to

893
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: have a major serving event back in twenty twenty at

894
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: PIHA is one of the upsides of holding it at

895
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: Ragland that those breaks are really consistent that you don't

896
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: have to wait for windows in the weather or anything

897
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Speaker 2: like that.

898
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

899
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Speaker 16: So that event at pih was the second tier, so

900
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Speaker 16: that was a Challenger series. This one's the World Tour,

901
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 16: so that's the next one up. Yeah, Ragland does have

902
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 16: more favorable conditions. That's plain and simple. Like I say,

903
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 16: it's the best break in the world. And from talking

904
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Speaker 16: to the WSL over the last few weeks, if they

905
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Speaker 16: were going to come back to New Zealand with a

906
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Speaker 16: World Tour event, it was going to be Raglan because

907
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 16: that's synonymous around the world with New Zealand. You know,

908
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 16: you talk to anyone around the world as a surfer

909
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 16: and they'll go, oh, Ragland is the place to be.

910
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Speaker 2: No, it's fantastic, really exciting stuff. Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Ben. That has Ben Kennings, the chief executive of

912
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Speaker 2: Surfing New Zealand. That event set to kick off on

913
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Speaker 2: May fifteenth.

914
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Speaker 3: Of this year.

915
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Speaker 2: We'll get to more of your feedback in a few

916
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Speaker 2: minutes twenty two past five.

917
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Speaker 3: You trust to get the answers you need.

918
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Speaker 1: It's Jack tam On hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

919
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: New Zealand coverage like no one else.

920
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: News Talks EV.

921
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Speaker 2: Twenty four past five. As the human tragedy at Mount

922
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: Monganui continues, the timeline around warnings and what authorities knew

923
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: and when they knew it was becoming a little bit clearer.

924
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: So Fire and Emergency FENS has confirmed that it received

925
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Speaker 2: a one one one call about landslides on the mount

926
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Speaker 2: just before six o'clock on Thursday morning. Now, as you

927
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: would expect, FENNS has a robust record keeping system which

928
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Speaker 2: records that call as being at five forty eight am.

929
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Speaker 2: The slips at that time, though didn't impact life or property,

930
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Speaker 2: and so three minutes later, at nine minutes to six,

931
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Speaker 2: fens says it notified Todung's Council as the landowner responsible.

932
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Speaker 2: And here's where it gets a little bit tricky. So

933
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Speaker 2: todung a City council CEO initially said that the council

934
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Speaker 2: didn't have a record of the call at the council's end.

935
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Speaker 2: Then he was corrected. The council did actually receive that call.

936
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Speaker 2: But given all of the staff who were working in

937
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Speaker 2: the various calls they were receiving as they responded to

938
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Speaker 2: weather problems across the city in the region that morning.

939
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Speaker 2: It is going to take a bit of time and

940
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Speaker 2: the independent review to work out the timeline at the

941
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Speaker 2: council's end. Personally, I had no idea until this week

942
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Speaker 2: that landslides kill more people in New Zealand than any

943
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Speaker 2: other natural disaster. But as the changing climate makes these

944
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: burg big weather events and storms much more common, the

945
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: question of liability is going to become more precient than ever.

946
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Speaker 2: In addition to responding to the myriad problems that extreme

947
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Speaker 2: weather might cause, In addition to modeling for flooding and

948
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Speaker 2: high winds, councils and landowners need to have a system

949
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Speaker 2: for assessing landslide risk in different areas and responding in

950
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Speaker 2: real times as conditions dictate. And one of the critical

951
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Speaker 2: questions in the independent review will be so weather Receiving

952
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: that call from Fens about a slip on the mount

953
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: would have been enough for the council to actually evacuate

954
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: the campground. Did they have an adequate real time extreme

955
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: weather risk management system? Should staff have had to wait

956
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: for a landslip to be reported, or should heavy rain

957
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: have been enough to get people out? The question of

958
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: liability looms over everything in this tragedy, and it is

959
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: my hunch that many councils and landowners around the country

960
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: will be looking at the terrible events in Mount Monganuy

961
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: and realizing that actually their own systems for assessing real

962
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Speaker 2: time landslide risk are woefully inadequate. Totaling A Council hopes

963
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Speaker 2: to have the terms of reference and more detail about

964
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: the independent inquiry confirmed later this week. But just as

965
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Pike River was a catalyst for huge health and safety

966
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: law reforms, the Mount Monginery disaster is fast shaping up

967
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: as a watershed moment for property owners and councils when

968
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Speaker 2: it comes to liability around the country. News Talk ZB

969
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Speaker 2: ninety two is our text number if you want to

970
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Speaker 2: send me a message this morning. Thanks for your text, Jack.

971
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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely amazed that New Zealand Rugby is only looking

972
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: for a New Zealand coach. Is either arrogance or ignorance,

973
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Speaker 2: not sure which, says John. We're going to ask a

974
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Speaker 2: huddle about that before six o'clock this evening. Chris Hierson

975
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Speaker 2: and Phil Goff on the huddle as well as that,

976
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Speaker 2: what does the w joe actually do? What does it achieve.

977
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Speaker 2: After the five thirty news, we're going to catch up

978
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Speaker 2: with the former director at the WHO. He will respond

979
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Speaker 2: to Winston Peters comments after the US pulled out of

980
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 2: the WHO and criticized it as a bloated bureaucracy. Winston

981
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: Peter's had a few criticisms of his own, so we

982
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: will get response to that very shortly. News is next,

983
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Speaker 2: though it's almost five thirty on news Talk.

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Speaker 1: ZEDB on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and

985
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Speaker 1: in your car on your drive home, it's Jack Team

986
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: on hitherto for Cellen Drive with one New Zealand and

987
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Speaker 1: the power of satellite mobile news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be.

989
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Speaker 2: Twenty sex on news Talks. It had been controversial. Take

990
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Speaker 2: I don't think Queen Street's that bad. I know what

991
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Speaker 2: you're thinking. Hang on a second, did he just say

992
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Speaker 2: what I thought?

993
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Speaker 6: He said?

994
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't actually think Queen Streets that bad. Is

995
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: it amazing? Nah? Is it incredible?

996
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Speaker 3: Nah?

997
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: Do I rush there on my days off to enjoy

998
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: all of the retail opportunities in Hostpo spot Nah? But

999
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: that being said, I certainly think Queen Stread is a

1000
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: whole lot better than it has been in the past.

1001
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Speaker 2: But a very very interesting little piece published today by

1002
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Speaker 2: Andrew Barnes, the entrepreneur, you know, the founder of Perpetual Guardian.

1003
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: He has considered the impending opening of the five and

1004
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: a half billion dollar Central Rail Link and the things

1005
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: that might be required just to inject a little bit

1006
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: more life into the CBD. So we're going to have

1007
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Speaker 2: a potentially world class rail link bringing a whole lot

1008
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Speaker 2: more people into the CBD for work. But how could

1009
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: you inject a bit more life into the CBD twenty

1010
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Speaker 2: four to seven. Well, he reckons, the key is to

1011
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: have more people, and part of the key and getting

1012
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: more people to the CBD is to improve the living options. Now,

1013
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: I think there's a really really interesting little suggestion as

1014
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: part of it he has and part of his part

1015
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Speaker 2: of his plan for injecting a bit more life into

1016
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Speaker 2: Central Auckland suggested that councils should have a use it

1017
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: or lose it clause when it comes to properties. So

1018
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: if there are properties that developers are sitting on, they're

1019
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: essentially land banking that could be developed into retail spots,

1020
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Speaker 2: hospitality spots, or even apartment buildings that people might be

1021
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Speaker 2: living in. He reckons that actually counsels should have the

1022
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: right to say to developers, if you don't get a

1023
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: move on, if you don't get your skates on and

1024
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Speaker 2: develop this property, then you're gonna lose it. So we're

1025
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Speaker 2: going to take a close look at that suggestion. After

1026
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Speaker 2: six o'clock this evening. Right now, it is twenty two

1027
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Speaker 2: minutes to six. News talk said and a bit of

1028
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: drama around the World Health Organization following Donald Trump formally

1029
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Speaker 2: withdrawing the US from the WHO, New Zealand First Leader

1030
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Speaker 2: Winston Peters is questioning whether New Zealand should maybe do

1031
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: the same. He says we need to take quote a

1032
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Speaker 2: serious look at where the taxpayers money is being spent responsibly.

1033
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Speaker 2: The Prime ministers shut down the suggestion, but says the

1034
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Speaker 2: organization does need to function better. University of Auckland professor

1035
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Speaker 2: and former director at the WHO, doctor Rob Beaglehole is

1036
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: with us the evening kilder Rob.

1037
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Speaker 18: Good even cure is so just.

1038
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Speaker 2: How effective is the WHO?

1039
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Speaker 18: Well, it has been extremely effective. It hasn't always performed

1040
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Speaker 18: as well as we would like, but that in part

1041
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 18: is a reflection of the way it works. But we

1042
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 18: absolutely need WHO globally. New Zealand needs to be a

1043
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 18: part of WHO.

1044
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: So give us the cell the back of the envelope.

1045
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: What does New Zealand get out of being in the WHO.

1046
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 18: Well, I think we get tremendous advice, support and the

1047
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 18: setting of standards, advice on the best treatment, on how

1048
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 18: to prevention. I think most importantly we get help in

1049
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 18: the prevention of diseases and the promotion of health. We

1050
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 18: had a terrible COVID epidemic. We'll have another pandemic inevitably,

1051
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 18: and the only way to respond effectively, apart from closing

1052
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 18: borders for a short time, is going to be to

1053
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Speaker 18: work with other countries together. So diseases don't I don't

1054
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 18: need cross borders without any question, and we need to

1055
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Speaker 18: work countries to reduce the impact of all diseases, especially

1056
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Speaker 18: the next pandemic. We need WHO to coordinate that response.

1057
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Speaker 2: Does it represent good value for money?

1058
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Speaker 18: I really think it represents tremendously good value for money.

1059
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Speaker 18: The overall budget is perhaps just over two billion dollars

1060
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 18: a year. You could hardly run a decent hospital with

1061
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 18: that amount of money. New Zealand's contribution on an annual

1062
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 18: basis varies, that is, in an order of a few

1063
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 18: million maybe three or four million dollars a year. It's

1064
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Speaker 18: peanuts for what we get, and we are contributing to

1065
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Speaker 18: the reform of WHO. Mister Peters is absolutely right. It

1066
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Speaker 18: needs reform. It needs to be working much more efficiently.

1067
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Speaker 18: It needs to be more based at the country level,

1068
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Speaker 18: less the intensively based in Geneva. But we've got to

1069
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Speaker 18: be part of the organization to make it work better,

1070
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Speaker 18: and without it we'd have to create some other organization.

1071
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Speaker 2: He essentially says that the WHO hasn't had a democratic

1072
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Speaker 2: mandate for some of the things that it has pursued.

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Speaker 2: Is that a fear criticism.

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Speaker 18: Well in the sense that WHO makes decisions based on

1075
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Speaker 18: its membership in every country, no matter how big how small,

1076
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Speaker 18: has one vote, So in that sense it's extremely democratic.

1077
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Speaker 18: It doesn't report, of course to the taxpayers in New Zealand,

1078
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Speaker 18: but it does report to our representatives at WHO, So

1079
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Speaker 18: in some senses it's so democratic that it gets bogged

1080
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Speaker 18: down and this discussions. But it couldn't be more democratic

1081
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Speaker 18: in that sense. And New Zealand has been on the

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Speaker 18: executive board and country Who's growth rotate through these governing positions,

1083
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Speaker 18: so we do have an opportunity to influence all of

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Speaker 18: the decisions.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we really appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 11: Rob.

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Speaker 2: That is doctor Rob Beaglehold, the University of Auckland, Professor

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Speaker 2: emeritus of Community Health and former director at the WHO.

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Speaker 2: It's eighteen to six on Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Real Team, the

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Speaker 1: only truly global.

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Speaker 2: Brand on the Huddle this evening. Tresh Hurson from Sherson

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Speaker 2: Willis pr and former Auckland mayor, former Labor leader, former

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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Phil golfkild accord with Hello Jack. Hello, felt

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Speaker 2: to be very great to be with the both of you.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to start with you because Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: has said that NATO troops stayed back, stayed a little back,

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Speaker 2: a little off the front lines in Afghanistan, and you

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Speaker 2: have put forward a pretty strongly argued peace saying that

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's government needs to speak out against his comments.

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Speaker 19: Why so, oh absolutely, Look, come, Trump is absolutely wrong.

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Speaker 19: It's either he's hugely ignorant or it's a self serving

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Speaker 19: lie to just diminish the sacrifice of a third of

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Speaker 19: those who died in Afghanistan who were non American people

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Speaker 19: serving with ISAF. Look, he cheapens the sacrifice that and

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Speaker 19: other countries made. Ten of our soldiers died there, and

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Speaker 19: imagine the hurt and the insult felt by the families

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Speaker 19: of those vets. One of the people that died there

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Speaker 19: was my nephew. And you know, for Trump to say

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Speaker 19: and I went to the funerals of a number of

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Speaker 19: people at Linton and Burnham to say that our people

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Speaker 19: were in the back and they weren't in the front

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Speaker 19: line is just an outright lie. It's outrageous. Other leaders

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Speaker 19: have called him out, including Starma, who said that it

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Speaker 19: was deeply insulting what he said. And our people have

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Speaker 19: not issued a word of criticism, and that shows how

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Speaker 19: hard I think our government trying to ingratiate themselves to

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Speaker 19: Trump and not having the guts to stand up and

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Speaker 19: speak on behalf of our veterans who gave up so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think many many people will agree that his

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Speaker 2: comments were deeply insulting, especially to those who were on

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Speaker 2: the front lines. To be a total nitpicker though, fell

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Speaker 2: I mean he did say NATO troops right, So New

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Speaker 2: Zealander was not a part.

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Speaker 19: We were no, no, but we were part of the

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Speaker 19: NATO led group, the International Security Assistance Force. He wasn't

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Speaker 19: singling out just those countries that were part of NATO,

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Speaker 19: but that were part of the ISAF forces. So there's

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Speaker 19: no look. He wasn't saying the Britz lacked guts are

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Speaker 19: but the New Zealanders they were great. He was putting

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Speaker 19: everybody that were non American into one bag and saying,

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Speaker 19: you weren't American, you weren't really that important, your sacrifice

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Speaker 19: wasn't that great, and you didn't show much courage. But

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Speaker 19: then you know, this was the guy that called John McCain,

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Speaker 19: who was shot down over Vietnam, had two fractured arms,

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Speaker 19: a fractured leg, and he was captured after nearly dres

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Speaker 19: when he parachuted into a lake. Called him he wasn't

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Speaker 19: a hero because he'd allowed himself to be captured, the

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Speaker 19: man that dodged the draft five times, once again insulting veterans.

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Speaker 2: So, Trish, what have you made of the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: response here? Does it make sense for the government to

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Speaker 2: put its head above the power of it and criticize

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's comments?

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Speaker 20: Well, it seems to me that this is a continuation

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Speaker 20: of New Zealand's appeasements strategy for Trump. But my hope

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Speaker 20: is what we saw at Davos last week starting to happen.

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Speaker 20: And don't forget these comments of Trump's were part of

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Speaker 20: what some have called the sort of monstrous Trump show

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Speaker 20: that rolled into Davos last week. You know, gave a

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Speaker 20: long and rambling speech which was all really about alliance corrosion.

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Speaker 20: But what you started to see at Davos was led

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Speaker 20: by Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney. Some starting to really

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Speaker 20: stand up to Trump, and I felt that the strength

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Speaker 20: of Sukia Starma from Britain his comments around pushing back

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Speaker 20: on this and others people are starting, I think, to

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Speaker 20: show a little bit more spine around Trump. But the

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Speaker 20: bigger question is whether or not we are finally going

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Speaker 20: to see leaders in the Western Alliance actually come together

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Speaker 20: and start to make joint statements and still have a

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Speaker 20: much more informed view on this than me as a

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Speaker 20: former foreign minister. But you know Trump is he runs

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Speaker 20: the presidency like a reality TV show. He likes to

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Speaker 20: end every sort of episode of his show. I et

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Speaker 20: Davos with these shocking remarks that everyone spends the next

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Speaker 20: two weeks reacting to. But what we are and he

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Speaker 20: loves the fact that everyone is fractured and everyone is

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Speaker 20: handwringing saying should we react or not? You know, there

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Speaker 20: are now mounting calls for increasing cohesiveness from Western leaders

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Speaker 20: to actually call out these kind of comments.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think We're seen a shift if you

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Speaker 2: consider the way in which European company countries responded to

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Speaker 2: Greenland over the last couple of weeks. You think about

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Speaker 2: some of those comments, from the likes of Karne at Davos,

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Speaker 2: the likes of Sekire Starma. Do you think that some

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Speaker 2: of the other countries in the so called Western Alliance

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Speaker 2: might be changing their strategy when it comes to dealing

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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I think there has been a shift. And

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Speaker 19: you know what the Europeans have realized is that when

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Speaker 19: you appease a playground bully, you don't stop them bullying.

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Speaker 19: You're just encouraging, encourage them to keep on doing it.

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Speaker 19: They were outraged, first of all, at the idea that

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Speaker 19: Trump did not initially dismissed that he would invade Greenland,

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Speaker 19: which is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, one of

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Speaker 19: his allies and the country that suffered the highest per

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Speaker 19: capita losses in Afghanistan, by the way, and then they

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Speaker 19: were even more outraged that if they issued a word

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Speaker 19: of criticism he was going to slap big tariffs on them. Now,

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Speaker 19: this is just unacceptable, narcissistic, megalomania, bullying by a guy

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Speaker 19: that doesn't deserve to be the head of the world's

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Speaker 19: most powerful country. And the Europeans have figured it out.

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Speaker 19: If you stand up against him, he'll back off, and

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Speaker 19: he did, and Mark Carney led the way. And what

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Speaker 19: I'm saying is, wouldn't it be fantastic if New Zealand

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Speaker 19: political leaders in government actually did the same thing and

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Speaker 19: showed a bit of spine.

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Speaker 2: So trash New Zealand Rugby has announced its prerequisites for

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Speaker 2: the next Allbacks coach. They've got to be a New

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Speaker 2: Zealander and they have to have international coaching experience. What

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Speaker 2: do you reckon?

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm look, I'm not as knee deep in rugby

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Speaker 20: as I might have been ten years ago, Jack, But

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Speaker 20: I do think this is an interesting twist. I think

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Speaker 20: there's a couple of things. First of all, the composition

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Speaker 20: of the panel who are selecting their new coaches a tell,

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Speaker 20: because through the last few years there have been issues

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Speaker 20: with at New Zealand Rugby, not just with governance but

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Speaker 20: also team performance and having that player voice, and I

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Speaker 20: think the panel composition tells you they're trying to balance

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Speaker 20: all of those. The international experience, to me seems like

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Speaker 20: a good idea because the All Blacks don't need to

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Speaker 20: learn how to play rugby, but they do need to

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Speaker 20: win an increasingly tough environments where a lot of our

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Speaker 20: main competitors are stronger than us, so you need a

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Speaker 20: coach who can bring back that knowledge. I think the

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Speaker 20: New Zealand passport rule is interesting and maybe that's more

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Speaker 20: about the culture of the team and you know, whateveryone

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Speaker 20: now calls the All Blacks environment in quotes, but I

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Speaker 20: do think that we have to be careful that we

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Speaker 20: don't miss good talent because of that. And also, don't forget,

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Speaker 20: it's not just about the coach in the All Blacks.

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Speaker 20: It's about the assistant stack that sits you know, below

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Speaker 20: and alongside the coach, and that is equally, if not.

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Speaker 2: More more important, Phil, what do you think?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, look, I tend to agree with all of what

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Speaker 19: Trish said there. Obviously you've got to have international coaching experience.

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Speaker 19: If you don't have that, you're at a real disadvantage,

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Speaker 19: and you'd have to ask the question, if you're a

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Speaker 19: really good coach, how come you'd never been given the

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Speaker 19: chance to coach at an international level. I'd much prefer

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Speaker 19: it to be a New Zealander. But if you had

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Speaker 19: somebody really superb that wasn't a New Zealander but was

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Speaker 19: the best person for the job, I'd still tend to

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Speaker 19: take the best person for the job. You know, I

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Speaker 19: often wonder. Obviously you'd think that Scott Robertson with his

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Speaker 19: track record with the Crusaders, was an obvious person and

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Speaker 19: you know the huge success rate in super rugby, but

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Speaker 19: he didn't have international experience. But more importantly, he didn't

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Speaker 19: have the ability to motivate and bring that team together.

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Speaker 19: So there's got to be those you know, Okay, most

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Speaker 19: of these coaches are going to be former All Blacks

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Speaker 19: and rugby players, but you've got to have that way.

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Speaker 19: Your coach is there to motivate and to unify and

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Speaker 19: to strategically plan for the team, and they have to

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Speaker 19: have those skills. Now, you know, I can understand why

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Speaker 19: Scott Robinson was replaced, even with the seventy six percent

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Speaker 19: track record of winning. But they need to make sure

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Speaker 19: that we have somebody really superb that can take us

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Speaker 19: back to a situation where we can win the next

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Speaker 19: Rugby World Cup next year and.

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Speaker 2: Do it fast. I think that's the key as well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time. The said thing guys.

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Speaker 2: That's former Aukland mayor, former Labour leader Phil Goff and

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Speaker 2: Tres Shurson from Sherson Willis pr huddle this evening six

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Speaker 17: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your feedback heaps and heaps of messages

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Speaker 2: on news Talk's head b Jack totally agree with Phil

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Speaker 2: Goff about time this government got some testicular fortitude, says

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Speaker 2: clear Jack. Phil Goff needs to move on. He was

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Speaker 2: sacked because of his lack of diplomacy. Time for him

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Speaker 2: to get off his soapbox, says Steve. Ninety two. Ninety

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Speaker 2: two is the text number. I'll get to more of

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Speaker 2: your messages after six o'clock. As well as that finance

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Speaker 2: Minister Nichola Willis on those inflation numbers. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: big banks forecasting maybe interest rates to increase a little

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Speaker 2: earlier than previously expected. We'll ask her about that very soon.

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Speaker 2: News is next one. It's coming up to six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: News Doorks. They'd be you with Jack Tames. So before

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock we will take you to the UK. Plus,

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Speaker 2: we're going to catch up with Andrew Barnes, the founder

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Speaker 2: of Perpetual Guardian, to ask him about his plan for revitalizing, rejuvenating,

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Speaker 2: re energizing the Auckland CBD ahead of the opening of

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Speaker 2: Auckland's Central rail Link later on this year. He's got

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Speaker 2: some interesting ideas, including a use it or Lose it clause,

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Speaker 2: so councils could basically say right to developers, if you've

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Speaker 2: got a property, it's just sitting there, you're doing nothing

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Speaker 2: with it at the moment it could be developed. We're

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Speaker 2: going to force you to do that. So councils would

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Speaker 2: have to have legislation that will give them these powers.

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Speaker 2: But we'll ask him about that before seven o'clock. Right

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Speaker 2: now it is seven minutes past six, in time to

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Speaker 2: catch up with Finance Minister Nichola Willis, who's with us

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Speaker 2: before the first cabinet meeting in the first day of

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Speaker 2: parliament for twenty twenty six. I bet you won't be

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Speaker 2: sleeping tonight. You will just be so excited, no doubt.

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Speaker 21: Oh I am excited. Of course. We have been back

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Speaker 21: at work for a while, along with most of Newseum.

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Speaker 21: But as you say, tomorrow first formal cabinet meeting and

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Speaker 21: the reopening of parliament.

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Speaker 2: So what do you make of these inflation figures? I

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Speaker 2: think most of the analysts were picking a two point

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Speaker 2: seven percent. Three point one was the final number.

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Speaker 21: It is higher than was expected, and of course we

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Speaker 21: target inflation staying under three percent, and that's where we

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Speaker 21: want it to be over the medium term and where

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Speaker 21: it's been for more than a year now. Of course,

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Speaker 21: the Reserve Bank has been having its foot hard on

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Speaker 21: the accelerator with multiple reductions and the official cash rate

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Speaker 21: over recent months, and they always have the opportunity to

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Speaker 21: monitor the data as it's coming through and then determine

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Speaker 21: at what point they might ease their foot on the accelerator.

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Speaker 2: So most of the banks, I think, picking that they

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Speaker 2: might ease the foot on the accelerator and start putting

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Speaker 2: it on the brake a little earlier than previously expected,

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Speaker 2: maybe even this year as opposed to twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: What would be the political.

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Speaker 21: Impact, Well, the banks always monitor the data as it

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Speaker 21: comes Then this is one data point. There will be

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Speaker 21: many over the next few months. It's likely that inflation

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Speaker 21: will come back into band and banks will factor that

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Speaker 21: in as well. Look, the Reserve Bank has a really

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Speaker 21: important role. It needs to keep inflation under three percent,

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Speaker 21: and we as a government really support them in that

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Speaker 21: mandate because it's the inflation that is the broadest driver

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Speaker 21: of the cost of living. At the same time, interest

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Speaker 21: rate reductions have been really important to recovering our economy

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Speaker 21: after a very difficult period. But it's always the case

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Speaker 21: that as the economy recovers, you do expect that eventually

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Speaker 21: interest rates to go up. They're now at very low

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Speaker 21: levels compared to where they were. You know, for context,

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Speaker 21: under the last government we had eleven interest rate hikes

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Speaker 21: on our watch, there have been nine reductions.

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Speaker 2: So your first step, I think, in fact, the very

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Speaker 2: first piece of legislation your government passed was to return

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank to a single mandate from that previous

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Speaker 2: dual mandate. Does the single mandate focused on price stability

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Speaker 2: increase the like hood that looking at a bit of

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Speaker 2: surprise data like this, the Reserve Bank would move faster

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Speaker 2: to start increasing interest rates.

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Speaker 21: I don't think so. It does mean that the Reserve

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Speaker 21: Bank would not be in a situation like it was

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Speaker 21: under the last government, where inflation was outside of target

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Speaker 21: for three years and that was what led to the

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Speaker 21: cost of living crisis, and we viewed that as unacceptable.

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Speaker 21: So the Reserve Bank has a mandate to look at

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Speaker 21: the medium term, so it will be analyzing all of

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Speaker 21: the data to say, well, are some of this just

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Speaker 21: a blip, These are transitory, temporary factors, what's really going

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Speaker 21: on underneath? Economists have noted that the core inflation indicators

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Speaker 21: are still in band and that some of these factors

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Speaker 21: are seasonal international airfares and the like. But look, it's

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Speaker 21: up for the Reserve Bank to analyze all of that

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Speaker 21: data and make its judgments.

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Speaker 2: Accordingly, So does you have a say on the election date?

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Speaker 21: I discussed that with the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask us, if you'd had this inflation data

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Speaker 2: before that decision was made, would you have advocated for

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Speaker 2: a different date.

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Speaker 21: Look, the election date is really just about a bunch

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Speaker 21: of operational factors. So we looked at things like when

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Speaker 21: there were major sports matches, school holidays, all of those

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Speaker 21: sorts of things, and really the date just fell out

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Speaker 21: of that. It's much less of a political process than

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Speaker 21: some might imagine.

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Speaker 2: Really, I mean, sure, put it this way, if we

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Speaker 2: thought that interest rates were going to be significantly increasing

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Speaker 2: in the last quarter of this year, more than just

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Speaker 2: a twenty five basis point increase, then surely there would

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Speaker 2: be political incentives not to have an election.

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Speaker 21: At the same time, well, I look at it a

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Speaker 21: different Wayjack, which is what is the big risk at

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Speaker 21: this election that people re elect a labor led government

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Speaker 21: that has a proven track record of doing so much

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Speaker 21: wasteful spending that they turbo charge inflation and turbid turbo

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Speaker 21: charge interest rate hikes. So actually my view is, of

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Speaker 21: course I want to see stable inflation. I'm really delighted

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Speaker 21: for all those first home buyers who are entering the

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Speaker 21: market as rates come down, and for those mortgage holdersho've

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Speaker 21: got a bit more breathing space in their household budget.

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Speaker 21: I do not take it for granted. Government has a

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Speaker 21: role to play in ensuring we're disciplined about our own spending,

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Speaker 21: and I think people will have to analyze very carefully

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Speaker 21: the spending promises of other parties and consider what that

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Speaker 21: might mean for inflation and interest rates.

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Speaker 2: What did Anna Breeman say to you in her apology?

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Speaker 21: Look, we had a discussion immediately after she signed the statement,

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Speaker 21: and I reiterated to her that she should feel free

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Speaker 21: to call me any time of day and that we

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Speaker 21: will always ensure that she gets a broad range of

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Speaker 21: advice on international matters. She did convey to me that

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Speaker 21: she'd offered an apology to Winston Peters and that in

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Speaker 21: future she would take exactly that course of action. She'd

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Speaker 21: let me know and she'd seek advice.

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Speaker 2: So was it naivety?

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Speaker 10: Do you think.

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Speaker 21: I think that she was in the urgency of a

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Speaker 21: moment in which she had been asked to make a

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Speaker 21: decision on a very late night phone call. And as

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Speaker 21: I've said, I've just reiterated to her. Do not hesitate

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Speaker 21: to give me a call. That's what New Zealand does

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Speaker 21: expect from me.

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Speaker 2: Why does it matter, though, shouldn't she? I mean, given

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank is independent, why does she have to

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Speaker 2: check in with the government to see if it's okay

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 21: It's not so much that she has to check in

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Speaker 21: to see whether it's okay with me, it's that we

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Speaker 21: need to be informed because anything we do or say

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Speaker 21: internationally obviously has implications for ministers and the government as

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Speaker 21: a whole, and it is also our job to make

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Speaker 21: sure that she has access to all of the information

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Speaker 21: and perspectives she might want it bear in mind when

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Speaker 21: she's making that decision. I'm not sure that it would

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Speaker 21: have led to a different decision or how she would

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Speaker 21: affected it, but that's just good process.

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Speaker 19: Jack.

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Speaker 2: I know that many of your colleagues have spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of time on the ground supporting the community. The

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was at the vigil at Mount Monganui last night.

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Speaker 2: How have you found watching these awful events of the

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Speaker 2: last few days.

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Speaker 21: Just harrowing? I feel so deeply for the families involved.

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Speaker 21: I've locked my kids in the eye several times over

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Speaker 21: the last few days and just said, I just feel

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Speaker 21: so grateful that you guys are okay, and I just

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Speaker 21: feel so devastated for the parents and families who've lost

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Speaker 21: loved ones and have gone through that awful period of

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Speaker 21: not knowing and then getting the worst possible news. It's

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Speaker 21: every family's worst nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's hideous a and just to try and

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Speaker 2: think for a moment about what those families must be experiencing. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the response there is the priority at the moment, but

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Speaker 2: there are going to be never to be questions for

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Speaker 2: various inquiries, but also questions about adaptation processes from here

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Speaker 2: on out. Is it your sense at the moment that

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Speaker 2: councils and landowners across the country have appropriately accounted for

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Speaker 2: the landslip and land and slide risks that they may

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Speaker 2: have in their property going forward, Well, I.

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Speaker 21: Think there'll be a mixed response from region to region,

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Speaker 21: council to council, and one of the aspects of our

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Speaker 21: replacement for the Resource Management Act is giving much clearer

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Speaker 21: national direction on how councils need to plan for hazards

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Speaker 21: i e. Where they allow development to occur and what

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Speaker 21: mitigations they take, so that work is going to be

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Speaker 21: important because New Zealand can expect more extreme climatic events

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Speaker 21: over the coming years, and so council and government and

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Speaker 21: communities all have a role in preparing for that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we appreciate your time. Good luck tomorrow the day

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Speaker 2: one of everyone being back. I know you've been back

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Speaker 2: at work.

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Speaker 11: For a bit.

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Speaker 21: Everyone enjoys the first day of school, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Now looking forward to it. Thanks for your time, We

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. That's Finance Minister Nikola Willis. It's sixteen past

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Speaker 2: sixty with Jactaim on News Talks.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio empowered by News.

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Speaker 2: Talksb eighteen past six you have with Jack tam In

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Speaker 2: for Heather on News Talks. He'db So the US FED

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Speaker 2: is meeting later this week. The question as to whether

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Speaker 2: or not the Fed is going to cut interest rates.

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Speaker 2: A lot of pressure, of course, coming from the White House.

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Speaker 2: And Shane Soly from Harbord Asset Management is with us

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Speaker 2: this evening. So are they going to cut US official

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Speaker 2: interest rates?

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Speaker 15: Shane know where Jack look? Investment markets are expecting us

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Speaker 15: to a reserve. That's the US Central Bank to relieve

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Speaker 15: rates unchanged when it meets Wednesday, and the announcement will

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Speaker 15: come out Thursday. Despite the pressure you've talked about from

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Speaker 15: Prisident Trump, Fed's cut rates three times since September on

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Speaker 15: the back of your week weeker US job markets. So

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Speaker 15: the rates around three and a half to three point

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Speaker 15: seventy five. But now we're seeing US growth, Lady, strong

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Speaker 15: unemployment rate that's relad be low, inflation that's above the

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Speaker 15: Fed's two percent target. So pause and rates kind of

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Speaker 15: makes more sense than at the moment. But look, Jack,

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Speaker 15: we're going to see mister Powell Chairpal come under more

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Speaker 15: pressure from President Trump on this cut. He's going to

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Speaker 15: have to defend defense independence again, but the economic data

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Speaker 15: just doesn't support it. Sport cuts the moment.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been quite effective defending the independence the feed

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Speaker 2: so far, and I think a lot of leaders are

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Speaker 2: trying to take a bit of a leaf out of j.

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Speaker 2: Powell's book at the moment. But be very interesting to

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Speaker 2: see how we react this week. Of course, our latest

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Speaker 2: inflation data was a bit higher than expected, just over

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Speaker 2: three percent, so some of the forecasters are bringing forward

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Speaker 2: expectations of an official rate increase in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 2: of this year as opposed to Q one of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. So how have investment markets reacted?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, we've actually seen seen the markets are actually

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Speaker 15: pricing a reserve bank rate increase by September twenty six

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Speaker 15: now and actually see that official cash rate in three

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Speaker 15: point one three percent in May twenty seven. In terms

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Speaker 15: of what it's done for financial markets investment markets, we've

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Speaker 15: see entrance rates pretty much move across the curve since

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Speaker 15: that data is that. What that means is two year

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Speaker 15: in New Zealand government bonds they're up to three point

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Speaker 15: thirty five percent. Ten year new government bonds at four

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Speaker 15: point sixty two, that's back to level was where they

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Speaker 15: were back in July before the Reserve Bank in New

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Speaker 15: Zealone really put its jandle down on cutting rates. What

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Speaker 15: it means for you and Iijack is we're going to

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Speaker 15: see high interest costs for the government, businesses concerners. We've

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Speaker 15: also seen a bit of a sell off and add

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Speaker 15: the more interest rates since it departs in Zeon Shear market,

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Speaker 15: since that inflation is less today New Zeon Sear market

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Speaker 15: was only as up zero point one percent, quite highly

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Speaker 15: impacted trading, So not a lot CVR today, but certainly

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Speaker 15: the market's been a little bit weak off the back

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Speaker 15: of that higher inflation.

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Speaker 2: Several commentators have called out a bit of a recovery

1513
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Speaker 2: in the New Zealand economy. They say it's begun, it's underway.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up this week to support those expectations.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Later this week we've got the as New Zealand

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Speaker 15: Business Conference and the AzID Activity Outlock for January that's

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Speaker 15: out on Thursday, and we've also got the AINSID new

1518
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 15: zeon Consumer Confidence out on Friday that's for January as well.

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Speaker 15: For both those sins of data, we've actually seen a

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Speaker 15: bit of a reduction in what's called the now casting

1521
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 15: GDP forecasts for the fourth quarter and nin KAT is

1522
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 15: actually almost half jacked down to zero point five percent

1523
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 15: for the quarter from zero point nine, mainly on weaker

1524
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 15: cards spinning. So this ams in data that comes out

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Speaker 15: Tuesday Friday, and it's going to be really important to

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Speaker 15: give us a data point of for invested and for

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Speaker 15: police and makers. Is to live in his own conoy

1528
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 15: is actually getting some traction or it's the sort of

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01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 15: one step, two step forward and then one back widest improvement.

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Speaker 2: So silver prices rose above US one hundred bucks an

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01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 2: ounce for the first time ever on Friday.

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Speaker 15: Why yeah, yeah, it was quite a stunning move. And

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01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 15: silver actually has gone through one hundred and eight dollars

1534
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 15: today in Asian trading, and gold that's also gone through

1535
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 15: a record as well, gone to five thousand and seventy

1536
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 15: five dollars US announce. It's all about investors piling into

1537
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 15: these safe havens amongst this sort of geopolitical terminal tumor

1538
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 15: we're seeing globally and set of expectations of the US

1539
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 15: interest rate movements. So if she doesn't come, maybe we'll

1540
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 15: see a bit of back off. But certainly we've seen

1541
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 15: a bit more rolling of markets, with Japanese bonds particularly

1542
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 15: being a bit of a role. It's always actually up

1543
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 15: to two hundred percent in the past year. Is she's

1544
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 15: a bit of a challenge in terms of gaining morse,

1545
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 15: getting the scale to refine the metal and the supply

1546
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 15: sort of just so yeah, it's been on a long run.

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01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 2: And finally Shane, Netflix tested its live ambition live streaming

1548
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,799
Speaker 2: a skyscraper climb from one of the world's best rock climbers.

1549
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 2: One hundred and one stories. He climbed in Taipei live

1550
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: on Netflix, No ropes, attached millions of people tuning in

1551
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 2: world wide. Does it represent a new kind of disruption

1552
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 2: for the media industry.

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01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 15: Well, look that's guy Alex Honold. He's a pretty of

1554
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 15: a legend and climber. He actually climbed this building in

1555
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,560
Speaker 15: an hour and get you one minutes. And there's a

1556
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 15: key word at the universe seck it was sick or right. Look,

1557
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 15: I think it really highlights netflix ongoing pushing the traditional media.

1558
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 15: They talk about live media program as a to retain

1559
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 15: existing subscribers and to catch a new subscribers. They talk

1560
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 15: about they've done two hundred live events, but most of

1561
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 15: it's been things like comedy and a wrestling mainly target

1562
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 15: at US audiences. This is the sort of to step

1563
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 15: out into things that through appeal to the right wider

1564
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 15: world to be creeping into that traditional media. But you

1565
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 15: can have that climb. I can tell you that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Alex Honnell. Couldn't watch it, couldn't watch it,

1567
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: love free Solo, couldn't watch this though it was a

1568
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Speaker 2: step too far from me. Thanks so much, Shane, appreciate

1569
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: your time. Shane solely from Harvard Asset Management.

1570
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Speaker 3: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Jack Day, Mom, the business Hour with maths, insurance

1572
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: and investments, Your futures in good hands, news talks that'd.

1573
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: Be for anyone thinking it was a bit ethically squirmy

1574
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: to have a guy climbing a one hundred and one

1575
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: story building with no ropes live on television. They had

1576
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 2: a ten second delay, so if the worst were to happen,

1577
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: then theoretically they were to cut the feed. But still, yeah,

1578
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't for me. Right now is square thirty three

1579
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: minutes to seven?

1580
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business?

1581
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: Only what has a new couple? But is it love

1582
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: or is it spin? Singer role Model has seemingly confirmed

1583
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: his relationship with actress to Coda Johnson as the pair

1584
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 2: step out together for a romantic La dinner and they

1585
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: were holding hands. Scandal. Now, if you don't know who

1586
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: these people actually are, don't panicof fill you in. Role

1587
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: Model aka Tucker Pillsbury is the new it boy and

1588
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 2: pop music, filling the whole left by Harry Styles hiatus.

1589
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: He sings the song that you're listening to right now,

1590
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: We play it all the time, and of course next

1591
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: week he's going to be playing the main stage at

1592
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 2: Laneway and Dacoda. Johnson she is, of course the daughter

1593
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 2: of Don Johnson. She's been lots of movies, The Materialists,

1594
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 2: Madam Webb. She even got into a tiff with Allan

1595
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 2: on her talk show Bits. Let's be real. You probably

1596
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: know her from starring in fifty Shades of Gray. What

1597
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: a career. She recently got out of an eight year

1598
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: relationship with Cold placing a Chris Martin. The relationship was

1599
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: pretty rocky, she said her next boyfriend, and all he

1600
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 2: had to do was not be an a whole. So

1601
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 2: the perfectly timed romance rumors had the Internet bringing out

1602
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: the pitchforks with accusations of a pr relationship, love or lies.

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01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: I guess we will see how it goes. After five

1604
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: point thirty, we're gonna get Andrew Barnes's vision for a

1605
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 2: more exciting Auckland. CBD News is next.

1606
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 3: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

1607
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Jack Day and

1608
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: Mas Insurance and Investments, your futures in good hands, News talks.

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01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: Beat judiph So can you come back?

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Speaker 12: Youz forty.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes to seven on new stalk, c Bjack

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Speaker 2: Tame with your hit this back tomorrow from her elongated

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01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: Summers Breakwell deserves Summer's break. Our entrepreneur Andrew Barnes says

1614
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: Auckland's CBD needs a dramatic makeover. He's come up with

1615
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: a list of ideas to help revitalize Auckland's central city

1616
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 2: and publish them and a op in The Herold. And

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Speaker 2: Andrew is with us this evening, killed or Andrew curre Jack,

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Speaker 2: how are you? I'm very well, thank you. So let's

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Speaker 2: start off with the problem diagnosis. What is the problem

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01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: with Auckland's CBD.

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01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 17: Well, Auckland's CBD is not really as thriving as it

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01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 17: should be. There are lots of empty shops, the style

1623
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 17: of those shops not necessarily as good as you might be.

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01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 17: There aren't as many cafes, a lot of them have closed.

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Speaker 17: And it really isn't that attractive a place to go

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Speaker 17: and visit anymore.

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Speaker 2: I reckon it's better than it was a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 17: Oh, it's better than it was a few years ago,

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 17: But yeah, it certainly is not.

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Speaker 2: It's not a huge dramatic difference. Yeah, yeah, no, get

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 2: I get there. So if it's feeling a bit tired,

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Speaker 2: what do you think is at the core of improving

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Speaker 2: the CBD.

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Speaker 17: Well, it's this little bit chicken and egg. I think

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Speaker 17: one of the problems is that we're not getting the

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Speaker 17: number of people coming into the city anymore. Now that's

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Speaker 17: primarily because you've got things like working from home. You've

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01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 17: got people have repositioned where their businesses are. So if

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01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 17: you have a look in the CBD, there are a

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Speaker 17: lot of empty office blocks. So because we haven't got

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Speaker 17: the people coming in, that means that they're not shopping,

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01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 17: they're not attending the cafes, and so the problem is

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01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 17: lack of population. Now that the and this of course

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01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 17: is where its advocates think that the CRL will probably

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Speaker 17: help us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, theoretically that should bring teams of thousands of

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Speaker 2: people into the CBD. Then have of course assumes that

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Speaker 2: they work in the CBD. And the point you made

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Speaker 2: in the hider is that actually having people living in

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01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: the CBD would mean that the demand for retail and

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 2: hospitality was there on the ground already.

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Speaker 11: That's right.

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Speaker 17: So what we've done is we've built because we hand

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Speaker 17: effectively a lot of the decisions about how our city

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01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 17: operates in the day to the late lamented Auckland transport

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01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 17: that was all about moving people around. It wasn't about

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Speaker 17: why they came in. So if we're building something to

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Speaker 17: bring people into the CBD, we have to ask the

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01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 17: question is why are they making the trip? If they're

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Speaker 17: not coming into work, they've got to come in for leisure.

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Speaker 17: So your choices either, you know, bring more bring more

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Speaker 17: people into the CBD by building the things that they

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01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 17: want to come and see, or alternatively, have the people

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Speaker 17: lived there already.

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Speaker 2: And so one of the suggestions you've made is that

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Speaker 2: we have a big showcase attraction. You look at the

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01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: likes of Mona in Tasmania, for example, an art gallery

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01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: of true international esteem and a claim that people travel

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01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: from around the world to come and see something like

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01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: that in Central Auckland. But what might be some other

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01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 2: options for getting people to live in the CBD. Are

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01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 2: there policy changes we could make that might intensify some

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01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 2: of the apartment blocks and things.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well I think there is.

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Speaker 17: I think you could look at the underutilized office box.

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Speaker 17: I actually have an apartment in the center of CBD

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Speaker 17: on top of an office block where I think there

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Speaker 17: are two floors of that office block that have people

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Speaker 17: in the offices. If you could actually then encourage people

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01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 17: to develop those buildings You've seen it with the cab

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01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 17: building for example, in to a square. If you can

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01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 17: actually convert those two apartments, you could actually do that

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01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 17: of two types. One more luxury ones if you want,

1685
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 17: but actually more affordable housing. So what we're doing is

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01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 17: creating intensive housing in the burbs to and then hoping

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01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 17: to move people to the center. Why don't we just

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01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 17: build them in the center?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: Right, And again one of your suggestions, and this might

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01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 2: be a bit controversial, is that councils have a use

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01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: it or Lose it law, So basically they can put

1693
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: a bit of pressure on developers not just to land

1694
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: bank and sit on empty or under used properties, but

1695
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 2: do we actually get moving?

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Speaker 17: Well, that's right. I think in the Herald a few

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01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 17: weeks ago that someone went around and counting them. I

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01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 17: think there are fourteen in the center. But you think

1699
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 17: about how many development sites that have been left for

1700
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 17: years because we've not been able to find a way

1701
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 17: to utilize these things. Because actually the natural solution is

1702
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 17: to build an office block. But if you don't need

1703
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 17: an office block, think about something else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, How do you think developers would that?

1705
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 17: I sort of don't care. I mean, at the end

1706
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 17: of the day, land banking doesn't help the city, but

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01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 17: it means if they can't think of a suitable way

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01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 17: to utilize the property, then maybe they might sell it

1709
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 17: to somebody who wants to get on and do it.

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01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 17: What I was suggesting in the article was a simple

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01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 17: thing that, by the way, that if you do have

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01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 17: a development site, you've got to turn it into a

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01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 17: proper park for the intervening period rather than another car

1714
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 17: park or just an area of Tarmact wasteland.

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01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like that idea in theory. You know,

1716
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: if it would mean more public space, it would make

1717
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: it presumably more attractive for the people who do live

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01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: in the CBD. And what would what would be the

1719
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: requirements of those public parks? Do you think in green space?

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01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm thinking green space and let's face it, this

1721
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 17: time with real grass rather than I think we've built

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Speaker 17: a few of these parks, certainly the one at the

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Speaker 17: bottom end of Queen Street across from us it's got

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Speaker 17: you know, plastic gros. It's very enticing.

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Speaker 2: When do you make of the decisions that council and

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Speaker 2: organ transport and policy makers have made when it comes

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Speaker 2: to cars and the CBD.

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Speaker 17: Look, at the end of the day, the difficulty is

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Speaker 17: if you don't if you don't have solutions, And I

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Speaker 17: think the recent situation with the concerts at Mount Smart

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Speaker 17: where you know there is no public transport really available

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Speaker 17: to move people around. So I can understand this argument,

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Speaker 17: let us build public transport and then we make it

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Speaker 17: easier for people to move around. But the problem is

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Speaker 17: on public transport doesn't really work and it doesn't really

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Speaker 17: go to the places that we want. Classic one was

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Speaker 17: that concert you could get into the CBD, but nobody

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Speaker 17: thought to connect the buses from the stadium with buses

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Speaker 17: going to the north Shore. So until you actually have

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Speaker 17: a comprehensive solution, at the end of the day, Auckland

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Speaker 17: is a city that needs cars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And would you say that the balance

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Speaker 2: has shifted in favor of pedestrians and cyclists too much

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Speaker 2: in the CBD.

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Speaker 17: I think it's shifted, yeah, too much. One of the

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Speaker 17: difficulties and you can see it in the CRL paper.

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Speaker 17: You could see it also in the one that they

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Speaker 17: did on cycle ways that the council comes up or

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Speaker 17: Open Transport came up with these fantastic things. I mean,

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Speaker 17: this one has got you know, the number of benefits

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Speaker 17: that will accrue to Auckland, as my particular favorite is

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Speaker 17: one point six billion in reliability benefits. So you're saying that, actually,

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Speaker 17: if you just make the buses run in time on

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Speaker 17: the trains from that time, we'd have actually picked up

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Speaker 17: one point six billion without building a CRL. That's the problem.

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Speaker 17: A lot of this is fabricated numbers. What we actually

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Speaker 17: need is real world policies to understand how you bring

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Speaker 17: people into a city, how you make them move around,

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Speaker 17: not just simply playing to ideology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh very interesting. Hey, thanks to Andrew. We always

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Speaker 2: appreciate the way you consider these problems and appreciate your

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Speaker 2: thoughts of evening. That is Andrew Barnes in a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes on News Talks, heb we will take you

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Speaker 2: to the UK, and the UK government's announced its biggest

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Speaker 2: shake up to policing since the service was founded about

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Speaker 2: two hundred years ago. The UK wants to introduce what's

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Speaker 2: been likened to a British FBI. We'll explain more in

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, everything.

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Speaker 1: From SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour with

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Speaker 1: Jack Days and Bear's.

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Speaker 3: Insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands. Us talks

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Speaker 3: 'b well.

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Speaker 2: The UK government has announced it is creating what's been

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Speaker 2: dubbed a uk IFBI. Mike Pierce, as are US correspondents

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Speaker 2: here with the details this evening. Gooday, Mike, so tell

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Speaker 2: us about this new entity.

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Speaker 22: Yes, indeed, that is what it's being called. The plan

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Speaker 22: could have an impact worldwide, according to politicians the governments

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Speaker 22: say here. The National Police Service, as it will be called,

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Speaker 22: will bring together world class talent and state of the

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Speaker 22: art technology to fight national and international crimes such as terrorism,

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Speaker 22: fraud and organized crime. The aims it will work with

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Speaker 22: police forces worldwide.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 22: The National Police Service will be run by a Police Commissioner,

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Speaker 22: who will become the most senior police chief in Britain.

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Speaker 22: It will set standards and training for police forces and

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Speaker 22: require new technology such as facial recognition cameras, a controversial

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Speaker 22: move that has provoked fierce criticism over its impact on

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Speaker 22: privacy and human rights.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be very interesting to see how that

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Speaker 2: works and the which it'll be working with. It's international,

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Speaker 2: you know, sister and brother organizations. And a major political

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Speaker 2: story in the UK is the blocking of a Labor

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Speaker 2: politician from standing in a by election.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Now his name is and D Burnham, and he's been

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Speaker 22: blocked from standing as a candidate for an upcoming parliamentary

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Speaker 22: by election, that is, by the body that rules our

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Speaker 22: Labor Party. Now this is highly significant because it's widely

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Speaker 22: thought that Andy Burnham's name could get elected to the

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Speaker 22: House of If he were elected to the House of Commons,

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Speaker 22: could become a serious challenger to Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

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Speaker 22: Burnham is currently mayor of Manchester, one of our biggest

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Speaker 22: cities in the north of the country, and said on

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Speaker 22: Saturday he wanted to stand in the election being held

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Speaker 22: locally as a former MP and government minister, but because

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Speaker 22: of his current role, he needs approval from Labour's National

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Speaker 22: Executive Committee to stand and they have said no. Labour

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Speaker 22: say the party decided to deny Burnham permission to stand

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Speaker 22: to avoid unnecessary mayoral election, which would use substantial amounts

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Speaker 22: of taxpayers money better they say, spent on backing the

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Speaker 22: cost of living crisis. The cost of that election could

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Speaker 22: be ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Ah very interesting because I've seen him and heard him

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Speaker 2: speaking a few times. He's a very effective commit a

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Speaker 2: Keda Andy Burnham. So I'm not sure that it's necessarily

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Speaker 2: the right strategy, especially given the fact that Keir Starmer

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Speaker 2: was one of those who voted to block them. But

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Speaker 2: there's a route over a statue for the late Queen Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that much?

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Speaker 22: Yes, yes, yes, indeed, well up to one hundred million

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Speaker 22: dollars is to be spent on a massive statue to

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Speaker 22: remember Queen Elizabeth, funded by the UK government. It's been

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Speaker 22: revealed it will feature her standing rather than sitting on

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Speaker 22: horseback as previously made public. Now the memorial will be

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Speaker 22: on a tiara shaped glass bridge, can you believe, and

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Speaker 22: will be built in Saint James's Park in central London,

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Speaker 22: which is near to Buckingham Palace. But not everybody is happy.

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Speaker 22: The cost of the project has been criticized by the

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Speaker 22: anti monarchy group Republic, who said the Royal should pay

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Speaker 22: for the monument themselves rather than the government out of

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Speaker 22: public funds. King Charles has been kept informed of the

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Speaker 22: plans and consulted on the development, which the final design

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Speaker 22: to be made public in April to coincide with one

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Speaker 22: hundred years of the late queen'sper.

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Speaker 2: Well, if the government is so concerned about the cost

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Speaker 2: of living and introducing policies to take the cost of

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Speaker 2: living that they won't let Andy Burnham stand as an MP,

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Speaker 2: surely spending one hundred million pounds or one hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars on a statue might be somewhat excessive.

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Speaker 22: Well, absolutely right, And I think that certainly was the

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Speaker 22: comment here, you know, within the last few hours, people

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Speaker 22: sort of saying, you know, at the actual cost of

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01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 22: that mayoral election in Manchester, he's actually, you know, really

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Speaker 22: small money compared to the billions in the government's annual

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01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 22: budget there. So I think, yeah, highly controversial and I

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Speaker 22: think both of those issus will rage on here for

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Speaker 22: some time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Robbie Williams has a new record of notes. So

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Speaker 2: how's he celebrated, would you believe?

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Speaker 22: Yes, indeed he entered the European Music Record books over

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Speaker 22: the weekend by having more number one albums than any

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Speaker 22: other artist. Now for some time he'd had sixteen charts oppers,

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Speaker 22: the same as the Beatles. Now his latest album, which

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Speaker 22: is called Britpop, shot to number one at the weekend,

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Speaker 22: increasing his lead by one to seventeen. If Keith's course,

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Speaker 22: he is one of the best selling artists of all time,

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Speaker 22: selling around seventy five million records. He recently revealed plans

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Speaker 22: to tour Australia and New Zealand later in the year,

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Speaker 22: with details still to be announced, but we expect that

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Speaker 22: possibly within a few days time. He last toured both

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Speaker 22: countries in twenty twenty three. Of course, he shot a

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Speaker 22: famous part of the boy band Take That, who formed

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Speaker 22: in nineteen ninety. Williams left the group five years later,

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Speaker 22: admitting to drink and drug problems. He went on to

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Speaker 22: have a solo career, touring the world to sell out performances.

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Speaker 22: Now across the world that the globe, he's only beaten

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Speaker 22: by Beatles Paul McCartney in selling more albums today. Robbie

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Speaker 22: Williams is fifty one years old. He says to be

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Speaker 22: worth half a billion dollars would you believe, and he's

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Speaker 22: married with four children. He's currently on holiday in France,

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Speaker 22: where he said he celebrated his chart topping success with

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Speaker 22: now Wait for This, A Coke zero and a salad.

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Speaker 2: How times for him have changed very much? Is that funny?

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Speaker 10: He said?

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Speaker 2: So much success and you compare with Paul McCartney and

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Speaker 2: the Beatles there, I mean the Beatles made in America.

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Speaker 2: Paul and Robbie Williams never did. But you can have

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Speaker 2: all of those chart toppers and you still haven't cracked

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Speaker 2: the US. It's a funny old world, isn't it. Not

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01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 2: that he's too concern with your savve. He's worth half

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars. I think you can probably afford a

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Speaker 2: few more celebratory coke zeros and salads and the like

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Speaker 2: during this holiday in France. Really appreciate your time this evening, Mike.

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Speaker 2: That is UK correspondent Mike. Yes, it is seven minutes

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Speaker 2: to seven your eject taime on News Dog ZB.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, almost time for me to hang up the

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Speaker 2: headphones for another night. Don't worry, Heather to p c

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Speaker 2: six tomorrow. Jason Pine has a big shot lined up

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Speaker 2: for US on Sports Talk this evening on news talk

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Speaker 2: to he'd be. So I've got six names for you. Six,

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. Jamie Joseph, Dave, Rennie

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Speaker 2: Vern Cotter, Robbie Deans, Warren Gatlan and Wayne Paback. Those

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Speaker 2: are the names that the New Zealand Herald and maybe

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Speaker 2: John Mitchell, maybe John Mitchell reckons fit the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: rugby criteria. So the New Zealand coaches with an international experience.

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01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 2: I guess you could add Karen Crowley in there as well,

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01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: maybe for the next All Backs coach. Jason Pine of course,

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Speaker 2: will be looking at that this evening on sports talk ants,

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Speaker 2: what have you chosen to play us out? The same

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Speaker 2: with what Mike was just telling us about Robbie Williams

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Speaker 2: breaking Let me entertain you by Robbie Williams to play

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Speaker 2: us out tonight. I never heard of it. Yeah, all

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Speaker 2: it's on why never correct?

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Speaker 21: The US?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 2: The US is weird, man. Have you seen how big

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Speaker 2: country music is over there? Yeah? I mean it's kind

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Speaker 2: of big everywhere at the moment, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true.

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Speaker 2: Country This is the kind of thing they're into. But

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Speaker 2: occasionally something we'll just not break through over there, but

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Speaker 2: we'll over here. It's a very good Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for all your communications through through the afternoon news

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Speaker 2: hither A is back tomorrow from me all the production team.

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