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Speaker 2: We've been having a discussion about mental health and what

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Speaker 2: worked for you when you face the mental health challenges.

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Speaker 2: It is, of course November this month. It's an amazing

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Speaker 2: cause and charity. It raises a lot of money for

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Speaker 2: men's health, both mental and physical, and it's always a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun for the people involved as well. Raises

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Speaker 2: many many dollars and so someone who tacks through just

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Speaker 2: while we're having that conversation, as Robert Dunn, here's the

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Speaker 2: country manager for November in New Zealand, and he's on

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Speaker 2: the line now. Robert, very good to chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on Tyler or responding an here.

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Speaker 3: I hope your mustache is coming along. After a few

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Speaker 3: days of November so far.

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Speaker 2: It's looking pretty good. I've got to say. I think Andrew,

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Speaker 2: my producer, would agree. There's a bit of bed going

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Speaker 2: along with it as well, but I'll shave off that

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Speaker 2: reft of the arrest of the bed and play my

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Speaker 2: partner mates. So it's a fantastic charity and it is worldwide.

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Speaker 2: How did it start here in New Zellan Robert, Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's sort of. It's started unfortunately in Fitzroy, Australia,

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Speaker 3: but New Zealand was the second country to adopt it.

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Speaker 3: And basically, you know, if you look back twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: there was nothing formalized for men. There was a lot

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Speaker 3: of charities for females and for kids and for famine,

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Speaker 3: and we did jump rote for hard and we did

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Speaker 3: the boys who started it, some hard case Australian guys

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Speaker 3: who are good friends, you know, looked around and saw that,

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Speaker 3: you know, prostate cancer was as big a threat to

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Speaker 3: with that information they went to the Prospect Cancer Foundation

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Speaker 3: Australia and said, you know, we think, not only is

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Speaker 3: this a great you know, male fashion accessory, but it

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Speaker 3: could be a great charitable tool and a great conversation starter.

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Speaker 3: And then their wisdom that actually said thanks, but no thanks,

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Speaker 3: you guys are a bit weird and we don't want

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Speaker 3: to we don't want to align with you. But the

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Speaker 3: boys did it anyway and raised fifty thousand dollars that month,

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Speaker 3: went back and to aid that money, and they were like,

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Speaker 3: maybe you aren't so weird, maybe you're onto something. And

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Speaker 3: if we fast forward today, he Zellan jumped on board

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Speaker 3: second with an official November charity and campaign and now

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Speaker 3: it exists, as you said, Tyler, all around the world

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Speaker 3: and it's the largest funder of men's health initiatives outside

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, the old old mustache can be pretty

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Speaker 2: punishing for the other halves and men's life for that month,

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Speaker 2: but obviously the fun of it and that cheekiness of it,

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Speaker 2: The beauty with this of this campaign, Robert, is that

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Speaker 2: it opens up those conversations right for fellers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, Tyler, Like you've had some fantastic

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Speaker 3: there is no silver bullet. But one thing that we've

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Speaker 3: conversations they do need to be informal, they do need

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Speaker 3: mustache growth or the lack of or whatever it may be,

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Speaker 3: because that's how guys like to often start their interactions.

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Speaker 3: But you know, now that we've matured a little bit

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Speaker 3: over time, there's conversations turn to mentalth, conversations challenges that

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Speaker 3: I always like to highlight that because we one hundred

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Speaker 2: There's some great resources on the website if anyone wants

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Speaker 2: that at November dot com. And obviously you can donate

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Speaker 2: to the various people taking part. But the five things

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Speaker 2: men should know and do when it comes to their health,

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Speaker 2: Robert I love. It's nice and simple and you can

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Speaker 2: find it on the website. But a couple of things there.

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Speaker 2: more that know the numbers, which is a great one,

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Speaker 2: know thy nuts simple, that's a fantastic one. That's a

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Speaker 1: And move more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and we can start to see that coming

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Speaker 3: Ay, oh totally mate. And as I sort of said previously,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant too. I have a chat with you, Robert

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Speaker 2: and promote this great a cause and campaign. How can

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Speaker 3: just telling me looks handsome this month, you know, nicely

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Speaker 2: And I've got to give a shout out to our

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Speaker 2: mates at the Alternative Commentary Collector. Absolutely and I've got

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Speaker 2: at the moment, so that could take a long time, Robit.

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Speaker 2: They need all to help. They can get absolutely to

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Speaker 2: go check that out November dot com and give generously.

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Speaker 2: It's a great cause. Rob It always good to have

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, Tyler. Catch up mate, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: see you mate.

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Speaker 2: That is Robert Dunn, Country manager for November Great cause

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Speaker 2: promoting men's health mentally and physically, and of course November

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Speaker 2: we want to promote mental health across the board, females included.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a great discussion and I mentioned before,

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