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Speaker 1: ACT Leader David Seymour has confirmed a change to the

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Speaker 1: Treaty Principal's Bill, which was discussed in cabinet yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: says the government agreed on its broader outline and the

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Speaker 1: bill will now go to Parliament's drafters. One of those

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Speaker 1: annoyed Willie Jackson, Labor Malori Development spokesperson Willie more than

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Speaker 1: a good morning, Martyn.

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Speaker 2: Are Ryan good to talk with you, mate? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show? Does that is

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Speaker 1: that music to your ears? Are you now on board

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Speaker 1: with all this?

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Speaker 2: Will he cut of that? Right? I mean, the whole

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Speaker 2: thing is a joke. It's it's interesting though that he's

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Speaker 2: made some type of concession, you know, because of the

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Speaker 2: bloke is you know how Seamoul has been going. It's

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Speaker 2: all we are the world and everybody's got the same rights,

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Speaker 2: and there's been no concession whatsoever has there in terms

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Speaker 2: of indigenous or malory right. So you know, that is

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a background, I would say, because

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Speaker 2: you know, he's never ever said that was any sort

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Speaker 2: of rights in terms of hapui or whatever. So I

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Speaker 2: find that interesting. But that's certainly not going to convince

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Speaker 2: us of the merits of this this the drive with

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Speaker 2: us is to actually extinguish indigenous rights. That's that, that's

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Speaker 2: just the reality.

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Speaker 1: But he's just specifically changed his bill to include them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's just nonsense. The driver, the drive of the

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Speaker 2: bill is to make it very clear that Maori don't

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Speaker 2: have special rights. He hasn't he has not said that

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Speaker 2: he's going to acknowledge. You know, there's an acknowledgement there,

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Speaker 2: and that's and that's good. But but he's trying to

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Speaker 2: give everyone the same indigenous rights that especially allocated for Maudi,

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Speaker 2: particularly in an article two, in in article three, and

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Speaker 2: and and this is some sort of this is some

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Speaker 2: sort of strategy I think, to try and give him

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to see if he can get national across

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Speaker 2: the line. I don't think he's got any chance of

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Speaker 2: that at the moment. You never know.

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Speaker 1: In your opposition to this, you you there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of talk from labor MPs saying, what my reading of

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Speaker 1: it is here, we aren't adult enough to debate in

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Speaker 1: an issue like this. Is that a bit condescending?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not just labor MPs who are saying that

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Speaker 2: they that there should be no debate. You just had

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Speaker 2: four hundred Christian readers who come out and said that

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Speaker 2: the whole bill is a total waste of time.

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Speaker 1: So the public can't be trusted.

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Speaker 2: Well, sorry, who's saying the public can't be trusted?

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Speaker 1: Well you are. You're saying we're not adult enough to

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Speaker 1: have a.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying no, No. What I'm saying, mate, is that

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Speaker 2: I think we've got a dishonest politician and dishonest party

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Speaker 2: who should know better. You know, the treaty has been

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Speaker 2: clearly entrenched in terms of New Zealand history. The articles

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Speaker 2: of the treaty have been recognized by the top judges

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Speaker 2: of this nation and the top leaders of this nation

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Speaker 2: on either side. And we should just continue along this

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Speaker 2: trek totally trying to upset the apple cart. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's disgraceful.

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Speaker 1: But this spills about the principles, not the articles.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's about the principles, obvious, it's about the principles,

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Speaker 2: but they've been derived from from the articles. The principles

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Speaker 2: have been derived from the articles. The judges and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand politicians have recognized the principles or may have been

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Speaker 2: in true since nineteen eighty seven. Yes, that's correct. So

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Speaker 2: it's really important that we continue along this trek. He's

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Speaker 2: just trying to upset the apple cart, and he keeps

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Speaker 2: making out that Mary's are not anything special in our history,

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Speaker 2: has got nothing to do with what's happening today. The

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Speaker 2: reality is Mary have been tracking backwards for many, many years,

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Speaker 2: and recognizing the principles has given Mary opportunity in terms

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Speaker 2: of the treaty settlements process Ryan, in terms of Mali television,

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Speaker 2: Maori broadcasting, Malty radio. It's given Mary an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: get back in terms of equity, and governments have recognized that.

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Speaker 1: Are you proud of your record? I mean, would we

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Speaker 1: be here today if you guys didn't misstep on co

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Speaker 1: governance as Chippy said you did.

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Speaker 2: Are you disappointed?

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Speaker 1: Are you disappointed in not in Seemoor, but in yourself?

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Speaker 1: Will you No?

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Speaker 2: I'm actually disappointed in you because because we need broadcasters

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Speaker 2: like you, you know who who understand what we were

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Speaker 2: trying to do over six years, and we got more

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Speaker 2: change for Maudi than any other government in history. I

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Speaker 2: think you'd recognize that. Your mate who's following you, recognizers

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Speaker 2: that anything's we've got too much change almost the hostinings.

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Speaker 2: That's just that there's just a reality. But what what

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Speaker 2: Chippy does say is we could have taken the public

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Speaker 2: a bit better with us, and I say that that

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Speaker 2: might well be right. But I'm proud of a co governor.

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Speaker 2: So I'm proud of much a tiny I'm proud of

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Speaker 2: Mutoticky Day, the holiday that is for all New Zealanders,

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Speaker 2: and I think we just got so much change over

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Speaker 2: six years and a lot of key we should be

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Speaker 2: proud of that. This is about partnership. It's not about

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Speaker 2: Mary's wanting to do stuff on their own. I want

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Speaker 2: to partner up with you and Mike Costkins and enjoy

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Speaker 2: Maturichi Day. You know. I want to go out together.

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Speaker 2: Take there's an invitation to the ZB hey, so you go.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, I'll take you up on that, Willie.

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Speaker 1: I do enjoy being with you. Willie Jackson, who is

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Speaker 1: who's the Labor Party's Multi development spokesperson.

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