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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from New Stalks EDB. They say you can't beat it

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Speaker 1: on a good day, but a storm is brewing in

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Speaker 1: the Capitol. The Springbok fans have arrived in force, loud, proud.

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Speaker 2: And draped in green and gold.

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Speaker 1: But this is All Blacks territory and tonight the Black

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Speaker 1: Wave will rise. Two rugby superpowers, one historic rivalry. But

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Speaker 1: before we hit the sky Stadium and braced for All

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Speaker 1: blacksby South Africa, we're live on Wellington's waterfront where the

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Speaker 1: passion is flowing at Shared twenty two, unpacking the analysis,

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Speaker 1: the emotion and the build up.

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Speaker 2: It's Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: With Jason Vine on your home of sport, New Stalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Yes today you're to get afternoon Welcome into Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: on News Talks Edbay. Saturday, September thirteen. We're hit till

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Speaker 3: three at Shed twenty two on Wellington's water Run, soaking

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Speaker 3: up all the pregame atmosphere ahead of the Rugby Championship

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Speaker 3: Test between the All Blacks and the spring Box at

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Speaker 3: sky Stadium tonight, kickoff at five past seven. Over the

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Speaker 3: next couple of hours, we'll break it down. Former South

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Speaker 3: African coach heineke Meier's on the show today. Rugby World

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Speaker 3: Cup winning All Black Corey Jane Gonna pop an after one.

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Speaker 3: Former Springbok and now TV rugby analyst with Supersport, Hanyanni

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Speaker 3: Shimangi gives us his views. We'll talk warriors and black

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Speaker 3: ferns as well and take lots of your calls, and

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Speaker 3: also get the views of some of the fans who

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Speaker 3: are packing in here to SHD twenty two, many of

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Speaker 3: them actually in springbox gear.

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Speaker 4: It has to be set. We'll get their view but

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Speaker 4: later on as well.

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Speaker 3: But what a delight to open the show with another

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Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup winner, thirteen test former All Black swinger

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen World Cup winner six tries in the tournament,

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Speaker 3: including one in the final against Australia near him Ilness Gudder.

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Speaker 5: Great to see you, mate, Cheers very na, thanks for

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Speaker 5: having me. Just listening to the boys you got lined

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Speaker 5: up coming on after me. I guess I won't set

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Speaker 5: sure they'll roll in and get some good But it's

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Speaker 5: awesome to be here. It's yeah, a lot of Springbok jerseys.

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Speaker 5: I've just seen my mate toes before, did a bit

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Speaker 5: of a wander through town early doors. My daughter loves

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Speaker 5: get out there bright and early to miss all the

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Speaker 5: Russian I thought I was, you know, and Joe Bug

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Speaker 5: or something with all the green and gold jerseys on

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Speaker 5: the cable car and rolling around Lenton. So it's awesome,

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Speaker 5: buzz yeah, really excited for tonight and here it's going

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Speaker 5: to be a good one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah test match in the city. It's great, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: You can soak up the day and ride the cable

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Speaker 3: car see some fans.

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Speaker 4: Now you're involved in coaching at the moment.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the reason we had you leading off was

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Speaker 3: because of your star power obviously, but also because you've

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Speaker 3: got to get out to Kilbernie to coach the Pornikee

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Speaker 3: under eighty five. So you're in the quarterfinals with the

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Speaker 5: So Pornakee boys have been going alright, had a couple

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Speaker 5: But in terms of viewing things, you come down skillburn

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Speaker 5: there and watch our boys have run around. Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: Five kilogram division some kind of growing, hasn't it, And

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Speaker 3: I think it was earlier this year. The national comps

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Speaker 4: What sort of rugby is it there?

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Speaker 3: Do you find that there are a least big hit,

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Speaker 5: I think it's a nice mix of both, Like you'd

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, all the best of this afternoon. We'll

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Speaker 3: All Black South Africa famous rivalry normally pretty tight apart

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Speaker 3: from Albany twenty seventeen All Blacks fifty seven South Africa.

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Speaker 3: You were part of that team. Couple of tries for

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, yeah, bet Bet, and you kept going

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Speaker 3: iconic try though, your first one. When you've intercepted it,

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Speaker 3: What pictures are you seeing in moments like that? Is

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Speaker 3: it really just instinctive when you're playing alongside a guy

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Speaker 5: I think even sort of prior to that, in that

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Speaker 10: Why.

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Speaker 5: I think it was Skokasar, one of the wingers who's

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Speaker 11: Run it in from here.

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Speaker 5: And I've kind of probably made me feel a little

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Speaker 5: there was just one of those moments I'm see body

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliance of another one in the second half out wide.

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Speaker 5: First of all, Ah, as much as I've planned and trained,

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Speaker 5: that probably wasn't my my wrong area. Even just thinking

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Speaker 5: opposing winger and he just had a sukefield day. I

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Speaker 5: you know, toughest wingers going around. And here Heat backs

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Speaker 3: They use their aero game.

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Speaker 12: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: You only dayboot for the All Blacks a month before

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Speaker 3: the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup two tries on Daboo.

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Speaker 5: People are bringing that confidence in that form from Super Ragby,

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Speaker 3: Good Man, he great to see you make great to

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Speaker 11: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: Grey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: By from Shed twenty two in Wellington.

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Speaker 1: It's Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardner Holmes,

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Speaker 1: New zealand'sposed trusted home builder News Talks.

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Speaker 3: coming to you live from Shed twenty two in Wellington

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Speaker 4: Usually great to meet you mate, How are you good?

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Speaker 3: first of all, ponikee when the under eighty five quarter

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Speaker 13: No absolute pleaser, Piney, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: We haven't forgotten about the other big game tonight, go

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Speaker 4: They talk about his pace.

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Speaker 3: it's quite difficult to imagine Severe Reese going to the

437
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Speaker 3: next World Cup. It doesn't feel likely, does it. And

438
00:19:48,387 --> 00:19:50,387
Speaker 3: you talk about I talked to nehiml a scutter. He

439
00:19:50,467 --> 00:19:54,347
Speaker 3: debuted a month before that. Twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup

440
00:19:54,347 --> 00:19:56,787
Speaker 3: went over there, six tries in the tournament, one of

441
00:19:56,787 --> 00:19:59,747
Speaker 3: the stars of the tournament and a Rugby World Cup winner,

442
00:19:59,787 --> 00:20:04,907
Speaker 3: including a try in the final. And ahead of twenty nineteen,

443
00:20:05,147 --> 00:20:07,667
Speaker 3: it was sever Reese and George Bridge then who came

444
00:20:07,747 --> 00:20:11,867
Speaker 3: in and took those wing spots. It is the hot

445
00:20:11,947 --> 00:20:15,067
Speaker 3: hand at the time. Look Rico Jouanni, I'm sure we'll

446
00:20:15,067 --> 00:20:16,427
Speaker 3: still be a big part of the All Blacks in

447
00:20:16,467 --> 00:20:19,387
Speaker 3: the next couple of years, but you just wonder what

448
00:20:19,467 --> 00:20:22,507
Speaker 3: his role to play will be as we move forward.

449
00:20:23,107 --> 00:20:26,507
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten, eighty ninety two, ninety two,

450
00:20:26,547 --> 00:20:29,347
Speaker 3: if you would like to correspond via text or face

451
00:20:29,387 --> 00:20:32,387
Speaker 3: to face, sheared twenty two on Wellington's waterfront.

452
00:20:32,827 --> 00:20:35,747
Speaker 17: Hello, Phil, I get a piney.

453
00:20:35,827 --> 00:20:37,147
Speaker 12: How are you very good?

454
00:20:37,187 --> 00:20:37,467
Speaker 3: Thank you?

455
00:20:37,507 --> 00:20:37,787
Speaker 18: Phil?

456
00:20:38,947 --> 00:20:41,987
Speaker 15: I can't make it face to face there down in Wellington,

457
00:20:42,027 --> 00:20:44,227
Speaker 15: and she had twenty two. I'm still in christ Rich here.

458
00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:48,587
Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm more than happy to take your call

459
00:20:48,667 --> 00:20:50,547
Speaker 3: on the phone. Phil. What are you thinking about tonight?

460
00:20:51,947 --> 00:20:54,827
Speaker 15: Well, it's going to be interesting. Just before I get

461
00:20:54,867 --> 00:20:58,147
Speaker 15: into that, it's interesting with Jannie, Like you say, what's

462
00:20:58,427 --> 00:21:00,547
Speaker 15: going to happen with his future? How they've been sort

463
00:21:00,547 --> 00:21:03,147
Speaker 15: of marked I was going to say marking around with him,

464
00:21:03,147 --> 00:21:04,587
Speaker 15: but how they've been kind of putting them here and

465
00:21:04,627 --> 00:21:06,947
Speaker 15: then putting them there and there. Now he's out, So yeah,

466
00:21:06,947 --> 00:21:08,627
Speaker 15: it's going to be interesting to see what happens here.

467
00:21:11,147 --> 00:21:15,107
Speaker 15: I'm looking forward to seeing this guy Carter go on

468
00:21:15,107 --> 00:21:17,627
Speaker 15: the wing because they reckon. He's the fastest man around

469
00:21:17,667 --> 00:21:20,267
Speaker 15: in New Zealand at the moment, so looking forward to

470
00:21:20,307 --> 00:21:23,747
Speaker 15: seeing his speed and just how he goes. I don't

471
00:21:24,467 --> 00:21:26,627
Speaker 15: I think he's not that under the high but I'm

472
00:21:26,667 --> 00:21:30,427
Speaker 15: not sure though. But that's another good thing that the

473
00:21:30,587 --> 00:21:33,667
Speaker 15: box I'm looking forward to you saying getting Corey Jana

474
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Speaker 15: on to have a talk about the box kicking, because

475
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Speaker 15: I'm in the camp that I just don't like the

476
00:21:38,027 --> 00:21:41,427
Speaker 15: box kick at all. And remember last weekend when I

477
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Speaker 15: was listening to them talking afterwards, was on the Breakdown

478
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Speaker 15: about Justin Marshall saying that he was kind of concerned

479
00:21:50,827 --> 00:21:55,227
Speaker 15: about a couple that areas too where and he's a halfback.

480
00:21:56,587 --> 00:21:59,707
Speaker 15: We're about thirty meters out from their line. And Christy,

481
00:21:59,747 --> 00:22:01,667
Speaker 15: who I think had a great game last week, was

482
00:22:01,707 --> 00:22:03,827
Speaker 15: one of the players. They had a great game, But

483
00:22:04,147 --> 00:22:06,787
Speaker 15: a couple of times done that box kick about thirty

484
00:22:06,787 --> 00:22:08,747
Speaker 15: out when you'd be thinking it's a fifty to fifty

485
00:22:08,787 --> 00:22:10,667
Speaker 15: yet a back, surely you'd be better to keep it

486
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Speaker 15: in hand and get it out amongst the backs, as

487
00:22:12,667 --> 00:22:15,987
Speaker 15: they say, as the old Clark George Clark, I was

488
00:22:15,987 --> 00:22:18,147
Speaker 15: the guy who made that Fred Dak songs that haven't forgot.

489
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Speaker 3: So yeah, feed the backs, Yeah, feed the backs indeed. Yeah,

490
00:22:22,427 --> 00:22:25,107
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think we've talked about it a lot

491
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Speaker 3: on the show. You and I have a lot of

492
00:22:26,827 --> 00:22:30,347
Speaker 3: other listeners that have wondered about the tactic and why

493
00:22:30,387 --> 00:22:33,667
Speaker 3: it's used, I mean, it must be considered effective. Well,

494
00:22:33,707 --> 00:22:36,307
Speaker 3: otherwise they wouldn't do it. You think last week there

495
00:22:36,307 --> 00:22:40,027
Speaker 3: were I think there were seventy kicks in play last week,

496
00:22:40,307 --> 00:22:42,827
Speaker 3: and that isn't just box kicks, but kicks and play

497
00:22:42,907 --> 00:22:46,667
Speaker 3: during that game last week. But I would calculate that

498
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Speaker 3: probably thirty to forty would have been box kicks.

499
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Speaker 4: That's a heck of a lot of box kicking.

500
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Speaker 3: So it's clearly a strategy which must have some some

501
00:22:54,867 --> 00:22:58,307
Speaker 3: method or some idea behind why they do it. Otherwise

502
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't do it.

503
00:23:00,227 --> 00:23:00,507
Speaker 19: Yeah.

504
00:23:00,627 --> 00:23:02,707
Speaker 15: Yeah, well that's part of the big mystery for me.

505
00:23:03,227 --> 00:23:05,387
Speaker 15: In that twote, It'll be interesting to hear what Corey

506
00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:08,547
Speaker 15: James says because I'm thinking, like you've just said, they

507
00:23:08,587 --> 00:23:11,867
Speaker 15: persist with it so much, and the coaches seem to

508
00:23:11,867 --> 00:23:13,907
Speaker 15: be happy for them to persist with it as well.

509
00:23:13,987 --> 00:23:16,747
Speaker 15: There must be some real benefit they see from But

510
00:23:16,787 --> 00:23:18,627
Speaker 15: I'd like to explain to me, you know, it was

511
00:23:18,667 --> 00:23:21,947
Speaker 15: a bit of a lame and not being an expert

512
00:23:21,987 --> 00:23:25,107
Speaker 15: on the old strategy of it all, but yeah, there

513
00:23:25,187 --> 00:23:27,867
Speaker 15: must be something with it because they stick with it.

514
00:23:27,947 --> 00:23:31,387
Speaker 15: But I'm looking that game last week, there was so

515
00:23:31,427 --> 00:23:34,947
Speaker 15: many great performs and then oddly enough, the ironic thing

516
00:23:35,027 --> 00:23:37,187
Speaker 15: is we did do well with the aerial game in

517
00:23:37,227 --> 00:23:39,867
Speaker 15: the box kicking last week, and a lot better than

518
00:23:39,907 --> 00:23:40,547
Speaker 15: we have one bit.

519
00:23:40,667 --> 00:23:42,627
Speaker 3: Yeah better, yeah better, I think better.

520
00:23:42,987 --> 00:23:44,907
Speaker 4: Yeah it was, it was better.

521
00:23:45,307 --> 00:23:47,267
Speaker 3: It wasn't still I don't think it was anywhere there

522
00:23:47,267 --> 00:23:49,667
Speaker 3: where they wanted it to be filled. But it was

523
00:23:49,707 --> 00:23:52,547
Speaker 3: definitely better. And let's see how they go tonight. Hey,

524
00:23:52,587 --> 00:23:54,507
Speaker 3: good to chat to you mate. Better move. Oh eight

525
00:23:54,547 --> 00:23:56,987
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. Heinnek am

526
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Speaker 3: I going to be on the show in the next

527
00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:01,267
Speaker 3: little while as well. He was All Black's coach, not

528
00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:05,227
Speaker 3: All Blacks coach, Spreebots coach between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen.

529
00:24:05,307 --> 00:24:08,507
Speaker 3: He guided South Africa to the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup,

530
00:24:08,507 --> 00:24:10,627
Speaker 3: where of course they came up against the All Blacks

531
00:24:10,627 --> 00:24:13,787
Speaker 3: and the semi final, going down narrowly twenty points to eighteen.

532
00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:16,387
Speaker 3: I wonder if that still sort of sticks in his

533
00:24:16,507 --> 00:24:18,387
Speaker 3: crawl a little, but that was his last game as

534
00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:22,347
Speaker 3: as spring Box coach in that three year tenure. Always

535
00:24:22,347 --> 00:24:25,307
Speaker 3: been a very astute observer of the game, heineke Meyer.

536
00:24:26,267 --> 00:24:28,387
Speaker 3: After one o'clock Corey Jane, but plenty of time for

537
00:24:28,427 --> 00:24:31,347
Speaker 3: your calls, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ninety

538
00:24:31,307 --> 00:24:33,227
Speaker 3: two ninety two. If you would prefer to send a text,

539
00:24:33,227 --> 00:24:35,307
Speaker 3: We'll try and get a couple of South African fans

540
00:24:35,347 --> 00:24:37,747
Speaker 3: who have gathered here as well to have a yarn

541
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Speaker 3: to us on site too. But lines are open. Spere

542
00:24:39,827 --> 00:24:42,187
Speaker 3: one there if you want to jump on. It's twenty

543
00:24:42,307 --> 00:24:44,307
Speaker 3: six away from one on Weekend Sport.

544
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Speaker 1: Counting down to All Blacks v South Africa on your

545
00:24:49,907 --> 00:24:53,947
Speaker 1: home of Sport. It's Weekend Sports lad from Shed twenty

546
00:24:53,987 --> 00:24:58,027
Speaker 1: two in Wellington with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardner Holmes,

547
00:24:58,227 --> 00:25:02,227
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talk said be it's.

548
00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:03,947
Speaker 3: Our twelve thirty seven news Talk to be at Shed

549
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Speaker 3: twenty two, Greexys afternoon. Jason, I don't know if I'm

550
00:25:06,787 --> 00:25:10,147
Speaker 3: drawing a long bow regarding Leroy Carter, but he reminds

551
00:25:10,187 --> 00:25:11,947
Speaker 3: me of an old all Black. I'm sure you'll remember

552
00:25:11,947 --> 00:25:13,787
Speaker 3: this name from way back, and if he's half as

553
00:25:13,787 --> 00:25:17,707
Speaker 3: good as this player, he'll be awesome. That player is Grant, Betty.

554
00:25:18,227 --> 00:25:19,547
Speaker 3: Do you see the similarities?

555
00:25:19,587 --> 00:25:22,107
Speaker 4: Ask Greg? I do Greg? In terms of stature?

556
00:25:22,747 --> 00:25:25,627
Speaker 3: The stature of Grant Batty and Leroy Carter very similar,

557
00:25:26,027 --> 00:25:30,627
Speaker 3: different eras obviously, but Grant Betty a winger of of

558
00:25:31,907 --> 00:25:33,747
Speaker 3: iconic status. I think it will be fit to say

559
00:25:34,947 --> 00:25:39,947
Speaker 3: just a nuggety, quite small but stocky guy. I do

560
00:25:40,027 --> 00:25:42,587
Speaker 3: see the similarities. I don't think you're drawing along bow

561
00:25:42,627 --> 00:25:44,907
Speaker 3: at all, Mark, Hi, mate.

562
00:25:46,147 --> 00:25:47,787
Speaker 10: Hey Piney in another pub?

563
00:25:47,787 --> 00:25:48,067
Speaker 6: Are you?

564
00:25:48,427 --> 00:25:51,507
Speaker 3: I'm at another pub, yeah, another city, another pub. I'll

565
00:25:51,507 --> 00:25:53,427
Speaker 3: makes you a little bit. I don't quite know what

566
00:25:53,467 --> 00:25:55,507
Speaker 3: I'm going to do next week when there's no All

567
00:25:55,507 --> 00:25:57,907
Speaker 3: Blacks test and I've got to return to the to

568
00:25:57,987 --> 00:26:00,587
Speaker 3: the sterility, sterility of the ZB studio.

569
00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:03,507
Speaker 10: Mate. Yeah, it'll be tough on you. I don't know

570
00:26:03,507 --> 00:26:10,067
Speaker 10: how you coach. I think Rafi threw his toys out

571
00:26:10,067 --> 00:26:12,587
Speaker 10: of the cot last week after the lost. I don't

572
00:26:12,627 --> 00:26:15,067
Speaker 10: think he's had a lost like he had last week

573
00:26:15,147 --> 00:26:17,787
Speaker 10: for a very long time, you know. And I think

574
00:26:18,227 --> 00:26:22,227
Speaker 10: the naming of the team on Monday, and it's complete

575
00:26:22,467 --> 00:26:26,267
Speaker 10: wiping out of his experienced players that he's always been

576
00:26:26,307 --> 00:26:28,467
Speaker 10: able to rely on has been a bit of a

577
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:31,787
Speaker 10: knee jet reaction. And I think he gives our back's

578
00:26:31,867 --> 00:26:33,267
Speaker 10: quite a bit of an opportunity.

579
00:26:33,307 --> 00:26:36,827
Speaker 3: You know, it's an interesting point. He's got rid of

580
00:26:37,307 --> 00:26:39,667
Speaker 3: was I got rid of? He's dropped a lot of experience,

581
00:26:39,787 --> 00:26:41,747
Speaker 3: Mark hasn't he you know, there's a and I guess

582
00:26:41,947 --> 00:26:44,267
Speaker 3: the flip side will be he gets exuberance, but he

583
00:26:44,307 --> 00:26:48,467
Speaker 3: does also lose a lot of experience. Pollard, Kleel, deal

584
00:26:48,547 --> 00:26:51,307
Speaker 3: Ende all dropped out of the side.

585
00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:57,027
Speaker 7: Yeah, and on the All Blacks, I think Razor had

586
00:26:57,067 --> 00:27:01,027
Speaker 7: given Rico, you know, the chance last week before the game,

587
00:27:01,067 --> 00:27:04,347
Speaker 7: he'd sort of sort of almost intimated that it was

588
00:27:04,347 --> 00:27:05,347
Speaker 7: his last chance.

589
00:27:05,427 --> 00:27:09,747
Speaker 10: And to me, yeah, Rico hasn't done that well on

590
00:27:09,787 --> 00:27:12,707
Speaker 10: the wing, and I think probably Carda, you know, given

591
00:27:12,867 --> 00:27:17,227
Speaker 10: super rugby you know form, has probably deserved a spot.

592
00:27:17,307 --> 00:27:21,027
Speaker 10: But it's not always a six guaranteed success, is there.

593
00:27:21,027 --> 00:27:23,267
Speaker 10: I mean I don't think, you know, when Britz went

594
00:27:23,307 --> 00:27:25,427
Speaker 10: to that left wing at the World Cup, I thought

595
00:27:25,427 --> 00:27:27,427
Speaker 10: that was a bit of a failure. I think that,

596
00:27:27,547 --> 00:27:31,267
Speaker 10: you know, people thought as super rugby form would equate

597
00:27:31,387 --> 00:27:33,867
Speaker 10: to like, you know, World Cup form, which I don't

598
00:27:33,907 --> 00:27:36,227
Speaker 10: think it did in the end. And yeah, I guess

599
00:27:36,347 --> 00:27:38,387
Speaker 10: time will tell with Karda, but yeah.

600
00:27:39,067 --> 00:27:42,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know you're right. Leroy Carter has

601
00:27:42,147 --> 00:27:45,587
Speaker 3: earned his chance. He had a terrific Super Rugby season

602
00:27:45,627 --> 00:27:46,987
Speaker 3: with the Chiefs, so when all the way to the

603
00:27:46,987 --> 00:27:50,787
Speaker 3: final obviously didn't win it, but in those wide positions

604
00:27:50,907 --> 00:27:53,747
Speaker 3: and in particular on the wings, I just think, yeah,

605
00:27:53,747 --> 00:27:56,747
Speaker 3: if you're playing well in the season or so before

606
00:27:56,827 --> 00:27:59,067
Speaker 3: a World Cup, you put yourself in the picture. And look,

607
00:27:59,107 --> 00:28:01,147
Speaker 3: Leroy Carter is not a young guy. There's not twenty one.

608
00:28:01,187 --> 00:28:03,107
Speaker 3: He's twenty six, twenty seven, I think, and they often

609
00:28:03,107 --> 00:28:06,067
Speaker 3: talk about wingers once they reached twenty seven being almost discarded.

610
00:28:06,787 --> 00:28:10,827
Speaker 3: But look if he I really am very very interested

611
00:28:10,827 --> 00:28:13,427
Speaker 3: to see how he goes on debut tonight. I get

612
00:28:13,427 --> 00:28:16,587
Speaker 3: the feeling he'll be as energetic and enthusiastic as he

613
00:28:16,627 --> 00:28:18,347
Speaker 3: has been in Super Rugby and look, I wish him

614
00:28:18,347 --> 00:28:21,907
Speaker 3: all the best. Ibe as an absolute storm yep.

615
00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:24,547
Speaker 10: I think I think we could be on on on

616
00:28:24,627 --> 00:28:27,787
Speaker 10: the song for a good win to know what's the weather?

617
00:28:27,907 --> 00:28:30,347
Speaker 10: Light down here? I'm coming down? What's it lightly? Is

618
00:28:30,347 --> 00:28:32,827
Speaker 10: it raining or is it.

619
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Speaker 4: It's not raining?

620
00:28:33,107 --> 00:28:35,507
Speaker 12: Going to be But wouldn't he yeah.

621
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean well you'll know if you've ever

622
00:28:37,267 --> 00:28:38,667
Speaker 3: visited Wellington Marketsley.

623
00:28:38,867 --> 00:28:40,907
Speaker 4: The obbit of it's not gale force, nothing like that.

624
00:28:41,067 --> 00:28:43,067
Speaker 3: As we were arriving at year twenty two, I could

625
00:28:43,067 --> 00:28:44,987
Speaker 3: sort of I could sense like a bit of a

626
00:28:45,947 --> 00:28:50,307
Speaker 3: bit of a a skiffle, a zephyr of a breeze,

627
00:28:50,387 --> 00:28:52,347
Speaker 3: but nothing which is going to really affect things too much.

628
00:28:52,347 --> 00:28:54,827
Speaker 3: I've checked the forecast. It's meant to die down tonight.

629
00:28:54,827 --> 00:28:56,427
Speaker 3: I don't think the conditions are going to play a part.

630
00:28:56,467 --> 00:28:58,707
Speaker 3: Mark you might want to bring a jacket. Other than that,

631
00:28:58,747 --> 00:28:59,707
Speaker 3: you should be fine, mate.

632
00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:02,507
Speaker 10: One last thing up the wires.

633
00:29:02,627 --> 00:29:05,627
Speaker 3: Up the wars, indeed, mark up the wars, indeed from

634
00:29:05,707 --> 00:29:08,947
Speaker 3: six o'clock this evening. Can't wait for that. Just a thought,

635
00:29:08,987 --> 00:29:12,227
Speaker 3: says Hamish on the box kick. They always say they're contestable,

636
00:29:12,787 --> 00:29:14,067
Speaker 3: but do you think they could be a bit of

637
00:29:14,147 --> 00:29:17,707
Speaker 3: a last resort sort of thing and a mission of defeat.

638
00:29:17,867 --> 00:29:20,347
Speaker 3: Almost the forwards are struggling to make the game line.

639
00:29:20,387 --> 00:29:22,227
Speaker 3: The backs have run out of ideas for line breaks.

640
00:29:22,267 --> 00:29:24,547
Speaker 3: We know our backline have been struggling a bit lately,

641
00:29:24,587 --> 00:29:27,387
Speaker 3: so a contestable kick might be the best option.

642
00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:30,147
Speaker 4: When they're out of ideas. Hamish, interesting point.

643
00:29:30,187 --> 00:29:33,067
Speaker 3: I think if you ask the coaches they wouldn't say

644
00:29:33,507 --> 00:29:36,707
Speaker 3: that it's a last resort. But look, when you've tried

645
00:29:36,747 --> 00:29:40,067
Speaker 3: other things and they're not working. Yeah, look it's an

646
00:29:40,107 --> 00:29:43,427
Speaker 3: option which they can go to and have often, and

647
00:29:43,507 --> 00:29:46,307
Speaker 3: not just the All Blacks the spring Box that last

648
00:29:46,307 --> 00:29:49,467
Speaker 3: week as well. I think the difference is the spring

649
00:29:49,507 --> 00:29:53,827
Speaker 3: Box believe that their box kicks, that they'll can test

650
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Speaker 3: the box kick a lot more effectively and therefore have

651
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Speaker 3: a better chance probably of winning it back. Anyway, We'll

652
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Speaker 3: see how they go tonight eighteen away from one.

653
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Speaker 20: Back for Preston turn a candy and to the dance

654
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Speaker 20: and the All Blacks staff end the Fortress twenty four

655
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Speaker 20: seventeen and at all time chess match between these two nations.

656
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a week ago at Eden Park. We

657
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Speaker 3: go again tonight at sky Stadium. Heineke Meyer is one

658
00:30:24,507 --> 00:30:27,547
Speaker 3: of the most celebrated rugby coaches in South African history.

659
00:30:27,587 --> 00:30:30,067
Speaker 3: He was the first South African coach to win Super

660
00:30:30,147 --> 00:30:33,187
Speaker 3: Rugby with the Balls in two thousand and seven. He

661
00:30:33,307 --> 00:30:36,747
Speaker 3: was Springbox coach from twenty twelve to twenty fifteen, guiding

662
00:30:36,787 --> 00:30:39,587
Speaker 3: South Africa to third place at the twenty fifteen Rugby

663
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Speaker 3: World Cup. Heinek am I joins us on the show Heinika.

664
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Speaker 3: Great to get your expertise across New Zealand. Let's go

665
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Speaker 3: back a week. What did you make of the spring

666
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Speaker 3: Box performance at Eden Park last weekend?

667
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Speaker 17: Yeah?

668
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Speaker 12: Thanks, firstly, just thank you for having me.

669
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Speaker 21: Obviously you love your country, love the All Blacks and

670
00:30:56,147 --> 00:30:59,307
Speaker 21: at epic battles, so thanks for being on your show.

671
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Speaker 12: Yeah. I thought it was an unbelievable test match. I

672
00:31:02,227 --> 00:31:05,267
Speaker 12: was glued to my seat. I always knew it's going

673
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Speaker 12: to be.

674
00:31:05,667 --> 00:31:08,387
Speaker 21: Very very difficult world because especially with New Zident losing

675
00:31:08,387 --> 00:31:11,627
Speaker 21: against Argentina and with the Iden Park record. But I

676
00:31:11,627 --> 00:31:14,547
Speaker 21: thought it was a brilliant, brilliant test match. I thought

677
00:31:14,587 --> 00:31:17,867
Speaker 21: this didn't really played well. I think with the old game.

678
00:31:17,947 --> 00:31:20,867
Speaker 21: Change for me was that when you didn't got to eat,

679
00:31:20,867 --> 00:31:22,987
Speaker 21: it's always going to be difficult for Africa to chase.

680
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Speaker 12: They're not a good chasing team.

681
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Speaker 21: And I just thought the All Blacks want the small battles.

682
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Speaker 12: I am, you.

683
00:31:30,467 --> 00:31:32,947
Speaker 21: Know, every small battle, especially in the Rain. I thought

684
00:31:32,987 --> 00:31:35,787
Speaker 21: this Zilaan did really well and uh you know, put

685
00:31:35,787 --> 00:31:38,947
Speaker 21: pressions in Africa on the in the lineouts, but it

686
00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:41,747
Speaker 21: all came down to taking opportunities and it's always gonna

687
00:31:41,747 --> 00:31:44,827
Speaker 21: be difficult if you fought in zero down, especially away

688
00:31:44,827 --> 00:31:46,827
Speaker 21: from home and chasing in those wet conditions. So I

689
00:31:46,827 --> 00:31:49,187
Speaker 21: thought it was an awesome taste match. So Africa thats

690
00:31:49,187 --> 00:31:52,827
Speaker 21: well to come back, but I wasn't. I was involved.

691
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Speaker 2: You know.

692
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Speaker 21: I watched the previous two Test matches in South Africa

693
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Speaker 21: where the All Blacks was also aid and in South

694
00:31:58,307 --> 00:32:01,227
Speaker 21: Africa came back with their bench. I thought this this

695
00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:03,907
Speaker 21: time around. The New Zealand's show a lot of more composure.

696
00:32:03,947 --> 00:32:06,267
Speaker 21: But what a great Test match and believable Test match.

697
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the best thing is we get another one,

698
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Speaker 3: hopefully as good tonight. Interesting you mentioned the bench because

699
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Speaker 3: Resci Erasmus went with a five to three bench split

700
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Speaker 3: at Eden Park. He's done the same again tonight. Did

701
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Speaker 3: you think he might have gone six to two given

702
00:32:20,027 --> 00:32:22,987
Speaker 3: how effective the bomb squad tactic was in the in

703
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Speaker 3: the Rugby Championship in Johannesburg and Cape Town last year.

704
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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think it's worked for them. I think with

705
00:32:30,987 --> 00:32:32,907
Speaker 21: the seven one and its too bigger risk away from

706
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Speaker 21: home and especially in New Zealand, our first six two

707
00:32:37,267 --> 00:32:39,467
Speaker 21: can work for them, and especially I think if the

708
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Speaker 21: game is speak obviously doesn't suit sou Africa showed against

709
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Speaker 21: Australia where they opened up the game and played unbelievable

710
00:32:44,787 --> 00:32:47,227
Speaker 21: rag mey and then in Australia came back and beat us.

711
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Speaker 21: But you know it just also I think he's got

712
00:32:50,587 --> 00:32:52,707
Speaker 21: so much respect for New Zealand because if you're not

713
00:32:52,787 --> 00:32:55,387
Speaker 21: covered everywhere, the cident can take you, you know, take

714
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Speaker 21: you apart.

715
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Speaker 12: But I also think he sees the backers impact.

716
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Speaker 21: So this week's going to be a total, total different game.

717
00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:02,827
Speaker 21: I still think they've got a good forward back, but

718
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Speaker 21: very exciting back, so it's going to be a hell

719
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Speaker 21: of exciting game.

720
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Speaker 3: Do you expected them to be more expensive because it

721
00:33:08,547 --> 00:33:10,947
Speaker 3: was a type battle as you would have seen last

722
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Speaker 3: weekend oft eating Park. Do you expect both teams to

723
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Speaker 3: perhaps at least attempt to be a bit more expensive.

724
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Speaker 21: Yeah, I know I probably old school, but I think

725
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Speaker 21: before I answer you there, I think it's going to

726
00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,587
Speaker 21: come down to three things. I think it's going to

727
00:33:24,667 --> 00:33:27,507
Speaker 21: come down firstly to the scrum battle, and.

728
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Speaker 12: Then second is going to come down to the aerial battle.

729
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Speaker 21: You know, there's islands straggled the first fifteen minutes and

730
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Speaker 21: then they scored two great trials and then to Africa

731
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Speaker 21: tea chase and then they couldn't just kick the ball

732
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Speaker 21: in the air and contest. So I think there's lin's

733
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,747
Speaker 21: done well of their team, you know, especially the back

734
00:33:43,787 --> 00:33:46,107
Speaker 21: three for the area battle. And I think where these

735
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Speaker 21: games are one and lost is in the last twenty

736
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Speaker 21: minutes when the impact players comes on. I think South

737
00:33:51,547 --> 00:33:55,987
Speaker 21: Africa had a huge luxury, you know, in the way back,

738
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Speaker 21: especially the two previous Test matches when they won in

739
00:33:58,187 --> 00:34:01,107
Speaker 21: South Africa, where the bench they brought up was brilliant,

740
00:34:01,427 --> 00:34:03,787
Speaker 21: very very much experienced guys that could play, that could

741
00:34:03,787 --> 00:34:06,187
Speaker 21: start in any Test match. You know, that guys on

742
00:34:06,187 --> 00:34:09,147
Speaker 21: the bench of sixty seventy test matches US learned that

743
00:34:09,267 --> 00:34:12,467
Speaker 21: young guys on the bench and still finding their feet suddenly,

744
00:34:12,547 --> 00:34:15,427
Speaker 21: So Africa also has now more inexperienced guys on the

745
00:34:15,467 --> 00:34:17,947
Speaker 21: bench and it doesn't fight it as you know, as

746
00:34:17,947 --> 00:34:20,787
Speaker 21: they used to. So I think the last twenty minutes,

747
00:34:20,827 --> 00:34:22,747
Speaker 21: when the fresh legs comes on, that's going to be

748
00:34:22,747 --> 00:34:25,747
Speaker 21: a big difference. And I think the big chance of

749
00:34:25,787 --> 00:34:27,067
Speaker 21: the AFFG is going to be I mean, I think

750
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Speaker 21: Tony Brown's been brilliant. You know, they're moving in the

751
00:34:29,947 --> 00:34:33,187
Speaker 21: right direction, playing more expansive. But the big question mark

752
00:34:33,227 --> 00:34:34,827
Speaker 21: for me is going to be when they played like

753
00:34:34,867 --> 00:34:35,987
Speaker 21: that against Australia.

754
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Speaker 12: They were valeted and then.

755
00:34:38,027 --> 00:34:41,387
Speaker 21: Suddenly when they got tired, makes you know, mistakes and

756
00:34:41,467 --> 00:34:44,667
Speaker 21: three turners crossed them three three tries in Australia came back.

757
00:34:45,267 --> 00:34:47,427
Speaker 21: So it's going to be a fine line between you know,

758
00:34:48,507 --> 00:34:50,987
Speaker 21: trying to be expansive and these guys can score tries.

759
00:34:50,987 --> 00:34:53,467
Speaker 21: They're very, very exciting and good forwards. But again if

760
00:34:53,507 --> 00:34:55,987
Speaker 21: they the one thing I've learned against the Zilian if

761
00:34:55,987 --> 00:34:57,467
Speaker 21: you make mistakes, they're going to punish you.

762
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Speaker 12: So it's going to be a fine balance. But I

763
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Speaker 12: still think.

764
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Speaker 21: It's all going to be about, you know, set piece

765
00:35:01,747 --> 00:35:02,827
Speaker 21: and pressure and suffocate.

766
00:35:03,267 --> 00:35:05,867
Speaker 3: Yeah, those those areas you mentioned fascinating to make. The

767
00:35:05,907 --> 00:35:08,667
Speaker 3: scrum and the and the aerial part of the game.

768
00:35:08,907 --> 00:35:10,747
Speaker 3: I mean you would have seen the South African scrum,

769
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Speaker 3: you know, when that tight hit on New Zealand's ball

770
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Speaker 3: which indirectly led to a try. The aerial battle, I

771
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:18,627
Speaker 3: think most of us thought South Africa had the better

772
00:35:18,747 --> 00:35:21,707
Speaker 3: of that. Do you expect them to bomb away again

773
00:35:21,827 --> 00:35:23,867
Speaker 3: tonight in Wellington? I mean it might be a little

774
00:35:23,867 --> 00:35:26,187
Speaker 3: bit windy. So do you think they'll employ some of

775
00:35:26,227 --> 00:35:26,787
Speaker 3: the tactics.

776
00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:30,907
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think it's I think they will, but I

777
00:35:30,907 --> 00:35:33,027
Speaker 21: think it will be stupid. If they picked this exciting

778
00:35:33,067 --> 00:35:35,907
Speaker 21: back line and they just want to play a tactical game,

779
00:35:35,987 --> 00:35:38,147
Speaker 21: then they probably would have gone with Polo and and

780
00:35:38,147 --> 00:35:40,907
Speaker 21: and Villian guys that's more used to that, and the

781
00:35:41,027 --> 00:35:44,027
Speaker 21: nine that's that's a good box kicker, like a fuff.

782
00:35:44,387 --> 00:35:47,187
Speaker 21: I think that they're gonna, you know, take a chance,

783
00:35:47,227 --> 00:35:50,387
Speaker 21: play more expansive rugby, but they will always stick to

784
00:35:50,427 --> 00:35:53,427
Speaker 21: their DNA, you know, so they will. There will there

785
00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:55,427
Speaker 21: will always be aerial battle. I mean that's part of

786
00:35:55,467 --> 00:35:59,067
Speaker 21: the new game. But I think they're going to take

787
00:35:59,107 --> 00:36:01,827
Speaker 21: more chances because they feel that you have to score

788
00:36:01,867 --> 00:36:03,667
Speaker 21: tries against New Zealand. You're not just going to defend.

789
00:36:03,707 --> 00:36:05,907
Speaker 21: They're not just going to outmuscle them. And one thing

790
00:36:05,907 --> 00:36:08,467
Speaker 21: I'm been very impressed, you know, I follow New Zealand

791
00:36:09,027 --> 00:36:12,587
Speaker 21: in epic battles. I've been really impressed. Are they improved

792
00:36:12,627 --> 00:36:15,827
Speaker 21: in their forwards. The big thing that I think they've

793
00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:18,827
Speaker 21: done right is South Africa. If they scram well, more

794
00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:22,907
Speaker 21: well pressure and suffocate, they win games. Suddenly, newsileents stopping

795
00:36:22,947 --> 00:36:25,587
Speaker 21: the malls and I thought this linscrame well by that

796
00:36:25,667 --> 00:36:28,547
Speaker 21: one scram. So I think they've done great work with

797
00:36:28,587 --> 00:36:31,747
Speaker 21: their forwards, you know, duffing them up, scramming well, puting

798
00:36:31,787 --> 00:36:33,067
Speaker 21: pressure on the set piece.

799
00:36:33,587 --> 00:36:35,827
Speaker 12: So suddenly South Africa is a very very strong team.

800
00:36:35,947 --> 00:36:38,027
Speaker 21: They win the set piece battle and then they'd force

801
00:36:38,067 --> 00:36:41,267
Speaker 21: you into mistakes. But suddenly news Leents is really improved

802
00:36:41,307 --> 00:36:44,467
Speaker 21: in their forwards, and you know, I've been really impressed

803
00:36:44,467 --> 00:36:47,027
Speaker 21: with their scrammaging battle as well lately. And I know

804
00:36:47,147 --> 00:36:50,387
Speaker 21: one scram was a bad scram, but all over, I

805
00:36:50,387 --> 00:36:52,467
Speaker 21: think they've done great work with their forwards.

806
00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:54,707
Speaker 3: We're right in the middle of a World Cup cycle.

807
00:36:54,987 --> 00:36:57,627
Speaker 3: We're two years since the last one and two years

808
00:36:57,667 --> 00:37:01,747
Speaker 3: away from the next one. How much evolution in terms

809
00:37:01,787 --> 00:37:05,147
Speaker 3: of players and playing style do you expect from the

810
00:37:05,147 --> 00:37:08,227
Speaker 3: spring Box between now now in the next Rugby World Cup.

811
00:37:10,267 --> 00:37:12,827
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think they're in a difficult cycle because a

812
00:37:12,867 --> 00:37:16,227
Speaker 21: lot of those guys that won two World Cups. You know,

813
00:37:16,307 --> 00:37:18,027
Speaker 21: I don't want to take credit, but I picked most

814
00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:20,067
Speaker 21: of those guys at twenty one two and the All

815
00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:23,067
Speaker 21: Blacks had a brilliant team. I remember we last against

816
00:37:23,067 --> 00:37:25,067
Speaker 21: two points, but most of those All Black teams that

817
00:37:25,147 --> 00:37:27,347
Speaker 21: handed test matches and they were legends of the game.

818
00:37:27,987 --> 00:37:29,867
Speaker 12: And now that's you know, it changes.

819
00:37:30,907 --> 00:37:33,507
Speaker 21: They got older and rebuilding and South Africa is now

820
00:37:33,547 --> 00:37:35,307
Speaker 21: where the All Blacks who were when I used to coach.

821
00:37:35,627 --> 00:37:38,427
Speaker 21: But now also, you know, do you keep these guys

822
00:37:38,427 --> 00:37:40,307
Speaker 21: for another two years and they're all going to be

823
00:37:40,307 --> 00:37:44,947
Speaker 21: thirty five and you know, probably over their best or

824
00:37:44,987 --> 00:37:48,267
Speaker 21: do you do you start pushing the youngsters And I

825
00:37:48,307 --> 00:37:49,747
Speaker 21: think it's going to be a combination. But it's going

826
00:37:49,787 --> 00:37:51,947
Speaker 21: to be interesting times. You know, I think he has

827
00:37:52,067 --> 00:37:55,067
Speaker 21: to give youngsters a chance. But against you know, I

828
00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:58,307
Speaker 21: respect All Blacks so much. Every test match against them

829
00:37:58,347 --> 00:37:59,987
Speaker 21: is a battle, especially away from home.

830
00:38:00,027 --> 00:38:02,027
Speaker 12: So in the one sense, it's good giving guys a chance.

831
00:38:02,427 --> 00:38:04,027
Speaker 21: On the other side, you want to pick your best

832
00:38:04,027 --> 00:38:05,627
Speaker 21: team because you have to be at your beast if

833
00:38:05,627 --> 00:38:07,627
Speaker 21: you want to beat the all So this is going

834
00:38:07,707 --> 00:38:09,027
Speaker 21: to be a very interesting test match.

835
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Speaker 3: I knew it's a me epic battles with the mess

836
00:38:11,227 --> 00:38:16,507
Speaker 3: coach that narrow semi final loss at the Rugby World

837
00:38:16,547 --> 00:38:19,747
Speaker 3: Cup in twenty fifteen, does that still sting a little bit?

838
00:38:19,747 --> 00:38:21,467
Speaker 3: Do you still think about that that game?

839
00:38:23,547 --> 00:38:27,427
Speaker 21: Listen every game against New Zealand sting, we had epic battles,

840
00:38:27,427 --> 00:38:29,547
Speaker 21: and myself and Steve, you know, we tried to bring

841
00:38:29,587 --> 00:38:32,427
Speaker 21: back the mutual respect and I think it was great.

842
00:38:32,427 --> 00:38:35,267
Speaker 21: We had beers afterwards, and I think we both both

843
00:38:35,347 --> 00:38:37,747
Speaker 21: old schooled and believe in the ethics of the game,

844
00:38:38,307 --> 00:38:41,067
Speaker 21: so it was great battles. I think, you know, that

845
00:38:41,227 --> 00:38:43,187
Speaker 21: was one of the best teams that ever played the game.

846
00:38:43,507 --> 00:38:46,867
Speaker 21: And you know, the last few games, I think we

847
00:38:47,187 --> 00:38:49,587
Speaker 21: won one by two points, lost one by two, lost

848
00:38:49,587 --> 00:38:52,467
Speaker 21: that one by three. So I always felt we closed

849
00:38:52,467 --> 00:38:54,867
Speaker 21: the gap. But so much respect for that team. And

850
00:38:55,027 --> 00:38:59,307
Speaker 21: obviously every game where you present your country, you don't win.

851
00:38:59,867 --> 00:39:02,307
Speaker 21: But I always knew that you have to be at

852
00:39:02,347 --> 00:39:04,347
Speaker 21: your best, and that was epic battles. You know, I

853
00:39:04,387 --> 00:39:06,547
Speaker 21: really really thought that was an amazing team and just

854
00:39:06,587 --> 00:39:10,147
Speaker 21: such honor. You know, I always stood, you know, on

855
00:39:10,187 --> 00:39:12,667
Speaker 21: the sidelines facing the half gut, not the want to

856
00:39:12,707 --> 00:39:13,187
Speaker 21: be on TV.

857
00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:14,987
Speaker 12: Actually I've got so much respect, and you know, I

858
00:39:15,027 --> 00:39:18,427
Speaker 12: wanted to be there and experience that. So I was

859
00:39:18,467 --> 00:39:19,067
Speaker 12: so blessed, you.

860
00:39:19,067 --> 00:39:22,147
Speaker 21: Know, to coach against them not easy. I would like

861
00:39:22,187 --> 00:39:26,067
Speaker 21: to prefer to to coach against easy New Zealand teams,

862
00:39:26,107 --> 00:39:27,987
Speaker 21: but you don't get easy New zealin teams. But yeah,

863
00:39:27,987 --> 00:39:30,107
Speaker 21: we had epic battles and the good friends a lot

864
00:39:30,107 --> 00:39:32,827
Speaker 21: of those guys, and so much respect, you know, between

865
00:39:32,827 --> 00:39:35,107
Speaker 21: the two countries, and I think that's great for the game.

866
00:39:35,027 --> 00:39:38,467
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that respect continues between the players, the coaches

867
00:39:38,467 --> 00:39:41,067
Speaker 3: and the fans as well. At won't surprise you'll learn

868
00:39:41,107 --> 00:39:43,787
Speaker 3: there were there were thousands of South African fans there

869
00:39:43,867 --> 00:39:46,347
Speaker 3: last week mixing with the All Blacks fans. The vibe

870
00:39:46,427 --> 00:39:49,347
Speaker 3: was fantastic and we're hoping for more of the same tonight.

871
00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:51,227
Speaker 3: Haniker has been great to get the chance to chat.

872
00:39:51,267 --> 00:39:53,827
Speaker 3: Thanks for being so generous with your time this afternoon.

873
00:39:54,987 --> 00:39:56,827
Speaker 21: No, thank you so much. And yeah, I actually hope

874
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:58,947
Speaker 21: these battles can keep on going. And like you said,

875
00:39:58,987 --> 00:40:00,947
Speaker 21: you know, it's such a great to few of the

876
00:40:00,947 --> 00:40:02,867
Speaker 21: best countries in the world playing against each other, but

877
00:40:02,947 --> 00:40:05,547
Speaker 21: afterwards being friends, and I think that's what tract is

878
00:40:05,587 --> 00:40:08,547
Speaker 21: all about. And we're looking forward to a great dismatch.

879
00:40:08,587 --> 00:40:09,987
Speaker 21: I think there's gonna be a crack off a game

880
00:40:10,027 --> 00:40:13,147
Speaker 21: and I can't wait. Different you know, different things are

881
00:40:13,187 --> 00:40:15,947
Speaker 21: upening with both sides, the zillions on the apps, so

882
00:40:15,987 --> 00:40:17,667
Speaker 21: that it has got huge challenges, but it's going to

883
00:40:17,707 --> 00:40:20,547
Speaker 21: be It's going to be small, small margins and I

884
00:40:20,667 --> 00:40:22,907
Speaker 21: just hope we get a great, great deskmatch and keep

885
00:40:22,947 --> 00:40:24,747
Speaker 21: the friendship and keep the battles going.

886
00:40:25,147 --> 00:40:27,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure we will, Haneker, I'm sure we will.

887
00:40:27,587 --> 00:40:29,907
Speaker 3: Thanks again for your time, Henick, am I there, one

888
00:40:29,947 --> 00:40:32,627
Speaker 3: of the most celebrated rugby coaches in South African history

889
00:40:32,627 --> 00:40:36,427
Speaker 3: and spring box coach between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen.

890
00:40:36,867 --> 00:40:38,867
Speaker 3: We can sport coming to your life from Shed twenty

891
00:40:38,907 --> 00:40:41,307
Speaker 3: two on Wellington's waterfront, seven Away from One Back in

892
00:40:41,347 --> 00:40:41,907
Speaker 3: a Moment.

893
00:40:43,427 --> 00:40:46,027
Speaker 1: Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington ahead of the

894
00:40:46,067 --> 00:40:49,427
Speaker 1: Old Blacks v. South Africa. We can sport with Jason

895
00:40:49,507 --> 00:40:53,227
Speaker 1: Pine and G. J. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted

896
00:40:53,267 --> 00:40:56,387
Speaker 1: home builder on your Home of Sports used Talk.

897
00:40:56,267 --> 00:40:59,507
Speaker 3: Sivy four Away from One at Shed twenty two, Dave

898
00:40:59,547 --> 00:41:01,947
Speaker 3: says Kila Parney, although we live an upper hutbah, too

899
00:41:01,947 --> 00:41:04,227
Speaker 3: cold for this soul fowler to hit them to SHD

900
00:41:04,267 --> 00:41:06,827
Speaker 3: twenty two for record at all. I'm wondering if Rassi

901
00:41:06,947 --> 00:41:09,547
Speaker 3: is not bringing out a bomb squad so opposition teams

902
00:41:09,587 --> 00:41:12,147
Speaker 3: can't work out the best way to defend it before

903
00:41:12,187 --> 00:41:15,507
Speaker 3: the next World Cups. Smart move if that is his strategy,

904
00:41:15,547 --> 00:41:18,067
Speaker 3: go the abs, Thanks Dave. Oh you've also said the

905
00:41:18,107 --> 00:41:22,907
Speaker 3: wars and to draw in the Australian Argentina game. Thanks Dave,

906
00:41:22,947 --> 00:41:26,867
Speaker 3: appreciate your text. More calls after one more on site

907
00:41:26,907 --> 00:41:29,187
Speaker 3: talkback as well. Number of South African fans I think

908
00:41:29,267 --> 00:41:31,427
Speaker 3: quite keen to have a chat to us Corey Jane

909
00:41:31,467 --> 00:41:34,747
Speaker 3: also after one o'clock, in particular the best strategy to

910
00:41:34,827 --> 00:41:36,667
Speaker 3: deal with the aerial battle.

911
00:41:39,387 --> 00:41:42,747
Speaker 2: Bringing you the build up, the Blacks, the battle.

912
00:41:42,747 --> 00:41:45,467
Speaker 20: Captain of Stating Bard.

913
00:41:45,467 --> 00:41:46,267
Speaker 2: And the banter.

914
00:41:47,707 --> 00:41:50,907
Speaker 1: Right as we count down to the Old Blacks v

915
00:41:51,107 --> 00:41:56,227
Speaker 1: South Africa. It's Weekend Sport with Jason save Pine Why

916
00:41:56,387 --> 00:41:59,107
Speaker 1: from Shed twenty two and Wellington on your home of

917
00:41:59,227 --> 00:42:00,547
Speaker 1: Sport News Talks.

918
00:42:00,587 --> 00:42:03,507
Speaker 3: Heb Yes, indeed, welcome back into the show Weekend Sport

919
00:42:03,547 --> 00:42:06,027
Speaker 3: on News Talks. HEB coming to your live from Wellington's

920
00:42:06,067 --> 00:42:09,747
Speaker 3: water Front Shed twenty two to be precise, ahead of

921
00:42:09,787 --> 00:42:12,787
Speaker 3: this epic test match tonight. We're an epic test match

922
00:42:12,787 --> 00:42:15,587
Speaker 3: at Eton Park a week ago. Let's hope for similar

923
00:42:15,787 --> 00:42:19,507
Speaker 3: scenes tonight at sky Stadium. Although I'm sure the two

924
00:42:19,547 --> 00:42:22,307
Speaker 3: gentlemen said opposite me would be hoping for a different result.

925
00:42:22,347 --> 00:42:25,667
Speaker 3: I've got Mike and Gary. Gary, you were at Eden

926
00:42:25,707 --> 00:42:27,867
Speaker 3: Park last week. You're still getting over it.

927
00:42:28,347 --> 00:42:33,987
Speaker 22: Definitely. It was heartbreaking. The atmosphere was absolutely incredible. But

928
00:42:34,267 --> 00:42:37,027
Speaker 22: it was a close game, not the result we wanted.

929
00:42:37,107 --> 00:42:39,507
Speaker 22: But what can I say? Rugby's rugby and the best

930
00:42:39,507 --> 00:42:40,267
Speaker 22: team won on the name.

931
00:42:40,347 --> 00:42:41,747
Speaker 3: Well, someone said to me last week it was a

932
00:42:41,787 --> 00:42:44,587
Speaker 3: South African fan actually, that both of these teams can

933
00:42:44,587 --> 00:42:47,107
Speaker 3: play their best and still lose to the other because

934
00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:50,787
Speaker 3: they are aren't they, Mike, the two best teams going around.

935
00:42:51,267 --> 00:42:52,907
Speaker 3: What chance do you give you boys to make it

936
00:42:53,147 --> 00:42:54,147
Speaker 3: one apiece tonight?

937
00:42:55,587 --> 00:42:57,427
Speaker 8: Definitely not more than fifty to fifty.

938
00:42:59,307 --> 00:43:02,667
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think the box had a big change, big

939
00:43:02,827 --> 00:43:03,867
Speaker 23: changes in the tide.

940
00:43:03,947 --> 00:43:05,507
Speaker 8: So let's see.

941
00:43:05,547 --> 00:43:07,747
Speaker 23: I think it's just a bit of experimentation going on

942
00:43:07,907 --> 00:43:08,667
Speaker 23: here by Rassi.

943
00:43:09,547 --> 00:43:14,027
Speaker 8: So there. I think New Zeeland probably edge it, all.

944
00:43:13,987 --> 00:43:14,867
Speaker 4: Right, we'll see what happens.

945
00:43:14,907 --> 00:43:17,947
Speaker 3: Fortunately, no, and I'm look at look, it's very magnan.

946
00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:22,387
Speaker 3: But look, I think most New Zealand rugby fans would

947
00:43:22,387 --> 00:43:24,427
Speaker 3: say this is a coin flop between these two sides.

948
00:43:24,507 --> 00:43:26,267
Speaker 3: It was last week. I think it will be again

949
00:43:26,307 --> 00:43:29,107
Speaker 3: tonight before we get into the game. You've you've flying

950
00:43:29,187 --> 00:43:29,867
Speaker 3: in for the game.

951
00:43:30,027 --> 00:43:32,547
Speaker 6: Yes, we did it, We did.

952
00:43:32,587 --> 00:43:36,187
Speaker 22: Fuji came in Auckland, got a camp event, went down

953
00:43:36,267 --> 00:43:39,387
Speaker 22: to the South Island in Wellington tonight, back to Auckland

954
00:43:39,467 --> 00:43:41,067
Speaker 22: tomorrow in Australia on Monday.

955
00:43:41,307 --> 00:43:41,787
Speaker 3: Amazing.

956
00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:42,427
Speaker 4: What a tour.

957
00:43:42,627 --> 00:43:47,227
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's amazing pies in New Zealand. Amazing people Radby

958
00:43:47,307 --> 00:43:49,267
Speaker 22: mad love the country.

959
00:43:49,307 --> 00:43:50,947
Speaker 4: Amazing pies, the.

960
00:43:50,867 --> 00:43:53,467
Speaker 6: Best pies that have ever had in Marlow Well.

961
00:43:53,507 --> 00:43:56,267
Speaker 3: Actually one of your countrymen, Matt Peace, who does the

962
00:43:56,307 --> 00:43:59,467
Speaker 3: Super Sport rugby commentary, he loves the peanuts slams. Have

963
00:43:59,547 --> 00:44:01,987
Speaker 3: you had a chance to try those mics a peanuts

964
00:44:02,027 --> 00:44:04,147
Speaker 3: It's just basically a put of chocolate with a bunch

965
00:44:04,147 --> 00:44:06,547
Speaker 3: of peanuts in it. Really, because the name would suggest

966
00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:07,747
Speaker 3: I think you'd like them.

967
00:44:07,987 --> 00:44:09,627
Speaker 6: Give it a best definitely.

968
00:44:11,107 --> 00:44:12,267
Speaker 3: So you went Do you say you went down to

969
00:44:12,307 --> 00:44:13,667
Speaker 3: the South on as well? So you got on the

970
00:44:13,707 --> 00:44:16,387
Speaker 3: beery went down south were give us it down south?

971
00:44:17,067 --> 00:44:20,107
Speaker 23: We went down to Queenstown, spent a couple of nights there,

972
00:44:20,147 --> 00:44:23,907
Speaker 23: then across the christ Church amazing. We went over the

973
00:44:24,387 --> 00:44:27,307
Speaker 23: mountains between the two, coming back up and We went

974
00:44:27,307 --> 00:44:28,507
Speaker 23: through a little snowstorm there.

975
00:44:28,547 --> 00:44:31,307
Speaker 8: It was wonderful. You've ever seen it before, driven in

976
00:44:31,347 --> 00:44:31,827
Speaker 8: it before?

977
00:44:33,147 --> 00:44:35,107
Speaker 3: You obviously arrived safely, So have you done most of

978
00:44:35,147 --> 00:44:37,827
Speaker 3: the driving, Gary, all of them, all.

979
00:44:37,427 --> 00:44:37,947
Speaker 4: Of the driving.

980
00:44:38,547 --> 00:44:41,707
Speaker 22: Mike was having a looking out. They enjoying this city.

981
00:44:41,867 --> 00:44:42,867
Speaker 22: I didn't drive you.

982
00:44:43,107 --> 00:44:44,267
Speaker 4: I think he's got the better end.

983
00:44:44,147 --> 00:44:47,387
Speaker 6: Of the well. I just hope tonight there's no rain.

984
00:44:47,667 --> 00:44:52,227
Speaker 22: I think it'll be running Rugby, good, tackling hard rugby.

985
00:44:52,627 --> 00:44:55,107
Speaker 22: I knew at Eden Park once the rain started that

986
00:44:55,227 --> 00:44:56,587
Speaker 22: our chances were very slimming.

987
00:44:56,747 --> 00:44:58,507
Speaker 6: Is in and in the rain on their home ground.

988
00:44:58,667 --> 00:45:01,787
Speaker 3: It was the rain wasn't even forecast. It was meant

989
00:45:01,787 --> 00:45:04,227
Speaker 3: to be a clear, dry night. And then if you

990
00:45:04,267 --> 00:45:07,227
Speaker 3: know him being there, the heavens just open with about

991
00:45:07,267 --> 00:45:09,787
Speaker 3: five minutes gone, and it actually really affected things, didn't it.

992
00:45:09,907 --> 00:45:12,867
Speaker 23: Yeah, our guys are not too good in the wet.

993
00:45:12,907 --> 00:45:16,227
Speaker 23: I think maybe the answer are a bit cold. It's

994
00:45:16,347 --> 00:45:17,627
Speaker 23: quite chilly.

995
00:45:17,947 --> 00:45:20,147
Speaker 3: Well, well, it.

996
00:45:20,187 --> 00:45:22,347
Speaker 4: Does have a reputation of being a little bit windy.

997
00:45:23,107 --> 00:45:24,827
Speaker 3: It is. I'm just having a look at the forecast

998
00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:26,987
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, and there's no rain in it,

999
00:45:27,067 --> 00:45:29,067
Speaker 3: but it will be a bit blustery. Have you visited

1000
00:45:29,227 --> 00:45:31,587
Speaker 3: sky Stadium before, No, it's the first time. So what

1001
00:45:31,627 --> 00:45:33,267
Speaker 3: you'll notice when you're in there is it the wind

1002
00:45:33,347 --> 00:45:35,187
Speaker 3: tends to swirl around a lot. You look at the

1003
00:45:35,187 --> 00:45:37,667
Speaker 3: two corner flags and they'll be heading in different directions.

1004
00:45:37,707 --> 00:45:40,827
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's got its own little ecosystem in there.

1005
00:45:41,107 --> 00:45:41,307
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1006
00:45:41,307 --> 00:45:43,307
Speaker 8: A bit tough for the kickers well.

1007
00:45:43,267 --> 00:45:45,707
Speaker 3: And the receivers and we know, I mean the aerial

1008
00:45:45,907 --> 00:45:47,747
Speaker 3: the aerial assault. Do you expects how they were going

1009
00:45:47,747 --> 00:45:48,467
Speaker 3: to do that again tonight?

1010
00:45:48,867 --> 00:45:52,067
Speaker 22: Not with the winds probably, but if the winds I

1011
00:45:52,107 --> 00:45:53,987
Speaker 22: wouldn't say so. I say keep born in and and

1012
00:45:54,067 --> 00:45:54,707
Speaker 22: just go forward.

1013
00:45:54,987 --> 00:45:55,587
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1014
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:57,267
Speaker 3: Well, this team of yours is one of the last

1015
00:45:57,987 --> 00:46:00,787
Speaker 3: last couple of or it's one of the last two

1016
00:46:00,827 --> 00:46:02,547
Speaker 3: World Cups. Yes, I just had to have a quick

1017
00:46:02,547 --> 00:46:04,667
Speaker 3: count in my head. Where do you think they are

1018
00:46:04,707 --> 00:46:06,627
Speaker 3: at the moment? As we're right in the middle of

1019
00:46:06,667 --> 00:46:08,427
Speaker 3: a World Cup cycle for twenty twenty.

1020
00:46:08,187 --> 00:46:11,667
Speaker 22: Seven, I personally think Russia, now the chances are winning

1021
00:46:11,707 --> 00:46:14,707
Speaker 22: this championship is a bit slim. I'd start bringing the

1022
00:46:14,707 --> 00:46:18,987
Speaker 22: youngsters like Sessa Mangozulu, all the youngsters in now for

1023
00:46:19,027 --> 00:46:22,987
Speaker 22: the next two years, because two years goes very quickly.

1024
00:46:23,347 --> 00:46:25,747
Speaker 22: I would start concentrating on the young black coming in

1025
00:46:26,267 --> 00:46:29,187
Speaker 22: and vally ar all the old guys now let them

1026
00:46:29,227 --> 00:46:33,627
Speaker 22: go excuse postures, but I'd concentrate the youngsters, forget about

1027
00:46:33,627 --> 00:46:35,907
Speaker 22: this championship and look for the next two years to

1028
00:46:35,987 --> 00:46:38,747
Speaker 22: be the first country to win it three times.

1029
00:46:38,827 --> 00:46:41,427
Speaker 4: Yes, you would be. You've got the maths right there

1030
00:46:41,427 --> 00:46:41,827
Speaker 4: as well.

1031
00:46:42,947 --> 00:46:43,427
Speaker 18: You would be.

1032
00:46:44,027 --> 00:46:46,747
Speaker 3: But Mike, there are some really experienced guys shook out,

1033
00:46:46,747 --> 00:46:50,227
Speaker 3: Andre Pollard, Jesse Kleiel, Damian del Endo, Willie LaRue even

1034
00:46:50,227 --> 00:46:52,587
Speaker 3: see Kalisi. These guys have been around for a long time.

1035
00:46:53,107 --> 00:46:55,187
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. You can't chuck them all out.

1036
00:46:55,187 --> 00:46:57,227
Speaker 3: Can you still need that base of experience for a

1037
00:46:57,267 --> 00:46:57,747
Speaker 3: World Cup?

1038
00:46:58,307 --> 00:47:00,507
Speaker 23: Well, they've been facing him in a few see the

1039
00:47:00,587 --> 00:47:04,067
Speaker 23: Locks say they're bringing in the younger guys also brought

1040
00:47:04,107 --> 00:47:07,507
Speaker 23: back a cup like lu at the Yaka him coming back,

1041
00:47:08,147 --> 00:47:09,467
Speaker 23: he's injury prone.

1042
00:47:10,507 --> 00:47:10,867
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1043
00:47:10,987 --> 00:47:12,667
Speaker 23: They need to get the new blood in there and

1044
00:47:12,667 --> 00:47:16,867
Speaker 23: get it blooded and get some experience. And there's no

1045
00:47:16,987 --> 00:47:18,827
Speaker 23: better experience than playing the All Blacks.

1046
00:47:18,947 --> 00:47:20,507
Speaker 4: I was going to ask about the All Blacks.

1047
00:47:20,547 --> 00:47:23,347
Speaker 3: Are they still the South African Rugby fans like yourself

1048
00:47:23,387 --> 00:47:26,427
Speaker 3: still regard the All Blacks as the biggest challenge in rugby.

1049
00:47:26,587 --> 00:47:28,027
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, definitely.

1050
00:47:28,587 --> 00:47:29,987
Speaker 8: Are we straight the last World Cup?

1051
00:47:30,067 --> 00:47:33,827
Speaker 23: I don't know, but one point one point us going

1052
00:47:33,867 --> 00:47:36,347
Speaker 23: for three weeks in a row there with one points.

1053
00:47:37,147 --> 00:47:38,907
Speaker 3: I was going to say, your heart rates would have been,

1054
00:47:38,907 --> 00:47:40,547
Speaker 3: would have been through the roof, last work.

1055
00:47:40,627 --> 00:47:43,907
Speaker 23: Finished after every game. Can't happen again, and it did

1056
00:47:44,187 --> 00:47:45,187
Speaker 23: and again.

1057
00:47:46,267 --> 00:47:48,307
Speaker 3: Well we won one in twenty eleven by one point

1058
00:47:48,307 --> 00:47:50,147
Speaker 3: in France, and I don't think people have recovered from

1059
00:47:50,147 --> 00:47:50,947
Speaker 3: them yet either.

1060
00:47:52,387 --> 00:47:53,347
Speaker 8: But stressful.

1061
00:47:53,587 --> 00:47:53,787
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1062
00:47:53,907 --> 00:47:57,627
Speaker 22: Well, as this So African supporter, the best rugby player

1063
00:47:57,667 --> 00:48:00,827
Speaker 22: ever is Richard McCall just played for the wrong country.

1064
00:48:02,427 --> 00:48:04,147
Speaker 4: Well we're pretty poleased he was born here.

1065
00:48:04,307 --> 00:48:07,227
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's even So Africa as well respected.

1066
00:48:07,267 --> 00:48:07,427
Speaker 25: Man.

1067
00:48:07,507 --> 00:48:10,667
Speaker 22: I mean I remember the likes of zinzen Brook back

1068
00:48:10,667 --> 00:48:13,307
Speaker 22: in the day, you know. So we've been going with

1069
00:48:13,347 --> 00:48:16,507
Speaker 22: New Zealand rugby for a very long time, the.

1070
00:48:16,747 --> 00:48:18,907
Speaker 8: Two classic teams as far as I'm concerned.

1071
00:48:18,947 --> 00:48:22,307
Speaker 3: And yeah, I noticed too in Auckland and again today.

1072
00:48:22,427 --> 00:48:24,547
Speaker 3: It just feels as though there's a real respect among

1073
00:48:24,867 --> 00:48:26,667
Speaker 3: the fans as well. I mean there's no yes, we

1074
00:48:27,067 --> 00:48:29,227
Speaker 3: bent it with one another. But it's all I think

1075
00:48:29,227 --> 00:48:31,387
Speaker 3: it's it's based on a foundation of respect us.

1076
00:48:32,227 --> 00:48:34,427
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, make a long way.

1077
00:48:34,987 --> 00:48:39,107
Speaker 22: Even after lost lost Saturday, walking out the stadium, guys

1078
00:48:39,107 --> 00:48:41,347
Speaker 22: are given you high five, shaking your hand. You know,

1079
00:48:41,427 --> 00:48:44,907
Speaker 22: there was no animosity. It was actually not good to news,

1080
00:48:44,947 --> 00:48:47,107
Speaker 22: but it wasn't they. I'd rather lose against New Zealand

1081
00:48:47,187 --> 00:48:47,907
Speaker 22: than anybody else.

1082
00:48:47,987 --> 00:48:48,747
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the same.

1083
00:48:49,987 --> 00:48:51,507
Speaker 4: If we're going to lose to anybody, rather be you

1084
00:48:51,547 --> 00:48:56,747
Speaker 4: blokes than England or Australia.

1085
00:48:56,307 --> 00:48:56,627
Speaker 6: The worst.

1086
00:48:56,747 --> 00:48:58,787
Speaker 3: Yeah they are. Hey, guys, great to see you. Thanks

1087
00:48:58,787 --> 00:49:00,667
Speaker 3: for stopping in for a for a chat. We'll get you.

1088
00:49:00,667 --> 00:49:01,667
Speaker 4: We'll get you a b OF voucher.

1089
00:49:01,667 --> 00:49:03,947
Speaker 3: Although you're seeing you're on your way already. Mike, sounds

1090
00:49:03,987 --> 00:49:05,507
Speaker 3: like you carry on from the camper vanmate.

1091
00:49:05,667 --> 00:49:09,147
Speaker 23: Absolutely where they go.

1092
00:49:09,907 --> 00:49:12,387
Speaker 3: The best win, yeah, May the best team win tonight.

1093
00:49:12,427 --> 00:49:14,547
Speaker 3: May it be an epic battle. Good on you guys.

1094
00:49:14,547 --> 00:49:17,667
Speaker 3: That's Mike and Gary joining us from Shed twenty two.

1095
00:49:17,827 --> 00:49:20,227
Speaker 3: Great to have some South African fans with us as

1096
00:49:20,227 --> 00:49:23,347
Speaker 3: we look towards another We hope epic test match tonight.

1097
00:49:23,667 --> 00:49:26,587
Speaker 3: News talks it'd be and weekend Sport one fifteen. Let's

1098
00:49:26,587 --> 00:49:29,547
Speaker 3: bring it now one of our great test wingers.

1099
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,867
Speaker 2: As Jimmy cown he gets it.

1100
00:49:31,947 --> 00:49:34,347
Speaker 16: Word to Jane, I want a big four tier Cory

1101
00:49:34,427 --> 00:49:35,067
Speaker 16: Tame season.

1102
00:49:35,227 --> 00:49:41,667
Speaker 2: Yes, he goes, He's got teams. Cory Jane back to

1103
00:49:41,747 --> 00:49:42,587
Speaker 2: his best.

1104
00:49:43,427 --> 00:49:46,267
Speaker 3: And his best was very, very good. Fifty three test,

1105
00:49:46,347 --> 00:49:49,427
Speaker 3: fifty five game, former All Blacks winger, eighteen tries and

1106
00:49:49,467 --> 00:49:52,267
Speaker 3: those fifty three tests at twenty eleven Rugby World Cup

1107
00:49:52,307 --> 00:49:55,747
Speaker 3: winning Our assistant coach at the Hurricanes, Corey Jane is

1108
00:49:56,027 --> 00:49:56,427
Speaker 3: with us.

1109
00:49:56,427 --> 00:49:58,147
Speaker 4: Corey, can we start with the.

1110
00:49:58,147 --> 00:50:01,387
Speaker 3: Aerial game because it's been such a talking point, not

1111
00:50:01,547 --> 00:50:04,427
Speaker 3: just in this little period of the Rugby Championship but

1112
00:50:04,507 --> 00:50:09,067
Speaker 3: right across the year. Really a master of diffusing those

1113
00:50:09,147 --> 00:50:13,347
Speaker 3: aerial bombs. So what are the key parts of being

1114
00:50:13,387 --> 00:50:15,707
Speaker 3: good under the high ball defensively to start with?

1115
00:50:17,187 --> 00:50:19,707
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's an awesome talking point, isn't it.

1116
00:50:20,507 --> 00:50:24,547
Speaker 25: Look we were we had mcburne teaching us back in

1117
00:50:24,587 --> 00:50:28,947
Speaker 25: the days, and let's come back to where it kind

1118
00:50:28,947 --> 00:50:30,827
Speaker 25: of was back when when I played in they had

1119
00:50:30,867 --> 00:50:33,107
Speaker 25: the contest in the air and it went away from

1120
00:50:33,107 --> 00:50:36,267
Speaker 25: it a bit. You know, we're able to block. Now

1121
00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:39,467
Speaker 25: we've come back into it again. So the importance of

1122
00:50:40,427 --> 00:50:42,947
Speaker 25: technique is is back. We lost it there for a

1123
00:50:42,987 --> 00:50:45,787
Speaker 25: little bit because you were able to shield for them.

1124
00:50:46,347 --> 00:50:48,467
Speaker 25: So you have to be better with your technique, and

1125
00:50:48,787 --> 00:50:53,107
Speaker 25: by that I mean being square into the into the collision.

1126
00:50:54,107 --> 00:50:56,427
Speaker 25: You're allowed to protect yourself of your knee jumping up

1127
00:50:56,467 --> 00:50:59,107
Speaker 25: and being nice and square, and guys should be able

1128
00:50:59,147 --> 00:51:01,907
Speaker 25: to back themselves to catch the ball. I think there's

1129
00:51:01,947 --> 00:51:04,987
Speaker 25: too many guys jumping in the air and turning their bodies,

1130
00:51:04,987 --> 00:51:09,987
Speaker 25: turning their hips, and most teams that are chasing are

1131
00:51:10,027 --> 00:51:11,747
Speaker 25: just jumping to try to whack the ball back. They're

1132
00:51:11,747 --> 00:51:15,147
Speaker 25: actually not trying to catch the ball. And so you've

1133
00:51:15,147 --> 00:51:17,027
Speaker 25: got to be a bit more square and you jump

1134
00:51:17,307 --> 00:51:19,587
Speaker 25: and a bit earlier to.

1135
00:51:19,547 --> 00:51:21,507
Speaker 11: Try to win the ball, especially when they're kicking it

1136
00:51:21,507 --> 00:51:21,707
Speaker 11: to you.

1137
00:51:22,387 --> 00:51:24,787
Speaker 3: So in other words, as you jump up, you should

1138
00:51:24,787 --> 00:51:27,667
Speaker 3: basically be facing the goalpost at the other end or

1139
00:51:27,707 --> 00:51:30,587
Speaker 3: facing the other end square on yep.

1140
00:51:30,667 --> 00:51:32,027
Speaker 11: And you do that not only to.

1141
00:51:33,707 --> 00:51:36,347
Speaker 25: Be stronger to catch the ball, because with your knee

1142
00:51:36,427 --> 00:51:38,507
Speaker 25: up and you're in a strong position, but it's also

1143
00:51:38,667 --> 00:51:42,067
Speaker 25: it protects yourself as well, because if you don't jump square,

1144
00:51:42,067 --> 00:51:44,947
Speaker 25: if your knees square and you get hit as the

1145
00:51:44,987 --> 00:51:45,707
Speaker 25: collisions happen.

1146
00:51:46,707 --> 00:51:47,747
Speaker 11: You're in a stronger position.

1147
00:51:47,787 --> 00:51:51,067
Speaker 25: If you turn your body and your knees a little

1148
00:51:51,067 --> 00:51:53,147
Speaker 25: bit sidewards and you get hit, you could fall on

1149
00:51:53,187 --> 00:51:55,427
Speaker 25: the back of your head. You can flip over the guy.

1150
00:51:55,547 --> 00:51:57,747
Speaker 25: So it's also a little bit of safety for the

1151
00:51:57,787 --> 00:52:00,747
Speaker 25: catcher to get back to a better technique. And again,

1152
00:52:01,867 --> 00:52:04,187
Speaker 25: most people have lost it because you're able to block

1153
00:52:04,187 --> 00:52:05,987
Speaker 25: for them, so you could cheat the technique a little

1154
00:52:05,987 --> 00:52:06,347
Speaker 25: bit more.

1155
00:52:07,067 --> 00:52:07,987
Speaker 11: But yeah, that's the.

1156
00:52:09,467 --> 00:52:11,227
Speaker 25: That's the most that's the better way to catch it

1157
00:52:11,267 --> 00:52:12,307
Speaker 25: and the safest way.

1158
00:52:12,587 --> 00:52:14,827
Speaker 3: And they say keep the one that keep your eye

1159
00:52:14,827 --> 00:52:16,587
Speaker 3: on the ball, which I'm sure is important too, But

1160
00:52:16,707 --> 00:52:19,147
Speaker 3: how how tempting is it to have aw we look

1161
00:52:19,147 --> 00:52:21,827
Speaker 3: at who's at who's sort of closing in on you

1162
00:52:21,867 --> 00:52:23,267
Speaker 3: from an opposition point of view.

1163
00:52:23,827 --> 00:52:26,467
Speaker 25: Nah, you be honest, men, You know that they're coming

1164
00:52:26,667 --> 00:52:29,387
Speaker 25: and you can feel them when you're watching the ball anyway,

1165
00:52:30,467 --> 00:52:33,707
Speaker 25: and you do you should do your homework, you know,

1166
00:52:33,747 --> 00:52:35,467
Speaker 25: I know, I know when I played a long long

1167
00:52:35,507 --> 00:52:38,067
Speaker 25: time ago, you knew which wingers you were, you were

1168
00:52:38,307 --> 00:52:40,827
Speaker 25: who was chasing, and how they like to attack the ball,

1169
00:52:40,907 --> 00:52:43,027
Speaker 25: and so.

1170
00:52:42,947 --> 00:52:45,067
Speaker 11: You do all that anyway, and you know it's it's

1171
00:52:45,067 --> 00:52:46,027
Speaker 11: cool getting up in the air.

1172
00:52:46,347 --> 00:52:49,787
Speaker 25: Rugby has changed now, and it's funny when you when

1173
00:52:49,827 --> 00:52:54,067
Speaker 25: I hear people talk about catching high balls and wingers

1174
00:52:54,067 --> 00:52:56,227
Speaker 25: need to help the fullbacks and all that. Back when

1175
00:52:56,267 --> 00:52:58,787
Speaker 25: I played, there was one fullback and wingers were in

1176
00:52:58,787 --> 00:53:02,787
Speaker 25: the backfield. Now days, you know, the last six seven years,

1177
00:53:03,067 --> 00:53:05,507
Speaker 25: there's two fullbacks, your fullbacks in the backfield and your

1178
00:53:05,547 --> 00:53:08,827
Speaker 25: tens or in the backfield. So wingers don't catch high

1179
00:53:08,827 --> 00:53:11,787
Speaker 25: balls anymore. It's your fifteen and it's your ten catching

1180
00:53:11,827 --> 00:53:15,267
Speaker 25: high balls. So when they say that wingers need to

1181
00:53:15,307 --> 00:53:17,787
Speaker 25: help Will Jordan and in the backfield catching high balls,

1182
00:53:17,827 --> 00:53:18,347
Speaker 25: they don't do it.

1183
00:53:18,347 --> 00:53:21,147
Speaker 11: It's just the system and the game's change.

1184
00:53:21,187 --> 00:53:22,787
Speaker 25: It's more on your ten and you're fifteen to be

1185
00:53:22,787 --> 00:53:25,067
Speaker 25: better at at.

1186
00:53:24,907 --> 00:53:26,987
Speaker 11: Catching techniques than it is wingers these days.

1187
00:53:27,187 --> 00:53:29,267
Speaker 3: I remember, though, that Rugby World Cup semi final in

1188
00:53:29,307 --> 00:53:32,307
Speaker 3: twenty eleven. You knew Australia were going to kick all night.

1189
00:53:32,427 --> 00:53:36,387
Speaker 3: You Israel, Dad, Richard Kahui diffused everything. I remember all

1190
00:53:36,427 --> 00:53:38,547
Speaker 3: three of you being under the high ball, you know,

1191
00:53:38,667 --> 00:53:41,147
Speaker 3: quite regularly that night or as my memory failed me.

1192
00:53:42,187 --> 00:53:46,347
Speaker 25: We know we had a mindset that whole World Cup

1193
00:53:46,387 --> 00:53:49,067
Speaker 25: to be one hundred percent and so we put a

1194
00:53:49,107 --> 00:53:50,947
Speaker 25: lot of work into catching eyeballs and I know the

1195
00:53:50,947 --> 00:53:54,307
Speaker 25: guys do now again, but you know, like technique becomes

1196
00:53:55,147 --> 00:53:57,427
Speaker 25: a massive part of it. And we didn't know that

1197
00:53:57,427 --> 00:53:59,387
Speaker 25: Ozzie were going to put heaps of high balls up

1198
00:53:59,427 --> 00:54:02,467
Speaker 25: because we've actually done an all right job during the

1199
00:54:02,467 --> 00:54:03,427
Speaker 25: whole World Cup.

1200
00:54:04,827 --> 00:54:06,067
Speaker 11: Where they just keep putting them up, and.

1201
00:54:06,547 --> 00:54:09,227
Speaker 25: You know, we had a we had a focus to

1202
00:54:09,347 --> 00:54:12,027
Speaker 25: diffuse them and you know we managed to do that.

1203
00:54:12,187 --> 00:54:17,107
Speaker 11: But yeah, like the games come back where the box.

1204
00:54:16,907 --> 00:54:20,427
Speaker 25: Kick is is massive again and you know it's it's

1205
00:54:20,427 --> 00:54:23,387
Speaker 25: going to be there, and I don't know if it's

1206
00:54:23,427 --> 00:54:26,907
Speaker 25: exactly what usually World Rugby wanted to speed the game

1207
00:54:26,987 --> 00:54:29,867
Speaker 25: up because everyone's setting up box kicks now. But the

1208
00:54:30,227 --> 00:54:33,587
Speaker 25: contact in the air, the collision, you know, it's back,

1209
00:54:33,627 --> 00:54:35,907
Speaker 25: and I don't mind it because I, again I made

1210
00:54:35,907 --> 00:54:36,947
Speaker 25: a living of catching those things.

1211
00:54:36,987 --> 00:54:40,147
Speaker 11: I actually enjoy seeing guys contest in the air.

1212
00:54:40,627 --> 00:54:43,267
Speaker 3: What about from attacking point of view, though, Cory, A

1213
00:54:43,307 --> 00:54:45,827
Speaker 3: lot of people are mystified by the box cack. When

1214
00:54:45,827 --> 00:54:47,947
Speaker 3: you're in possession, obviously you've got the ball you kick

1215
00:54:47,987 --> 00:54:51,107
Speaker 3: at In general terms, what is the what is the

1216
00:54:51,107 --> 00:54:53,187
Speaker 3: idea behind box kicking?

1217
00:54:54,107 --> 00:54:56,227
Speaker 11: Well, it's hard to catch now, you know, like it

1218
00:54:56,347 --> 00:54:56,707
Speaker 11: used to be.

1219
00:54:58,507 --> 00:55:02,947
Speaker 25: You know, you put the the defensive team under pressure.

1220
00:55:02,947 --> 00:55:06,587
Speaker 25: You can isolate guys in the backfield that probably not

1221
00:55:06,667 --> 00:55:09,787
Speaker 25: the best at catching, and nowadays it's just such a

1222
00:55:09,867 --> 00:55:14,067
Speaker 25: well last year or so, it's such an area where

1223
00:55:14,067 --> 00:55:18,227
Speaker 25: its so contested and you know, most teams aren't catching them,

1224
00:55:18,667 --> 00:55:21,667
Speaker 25: and so there's fifty fifties on the ground and the

1225
00:55:21,707 --> 00:55:23,587
Speaker 25: ball can go anywhere and you can get a knock

1226
00:55:23,627 --> 00:55:27,267
Speaker 25: on so you can get a set piece and I

1227
00:55:27,267 --> 00:55:29,947
Speaker 25: think the All Blacks will try and play a little

1228
00:55:29,987 --> 00:55:34,747
Speaker 25: bit more tonight. I don't think they'll want to continue

1229
00:55:34,747 --> 00:55:36,907
Speaker 25: to go into the box kicks and play the I

1230
00:55:36,907 --> 00:55:39,507
Speaker 25: guess the way that South Africa have played the game.

1231
00:55:39,547 --> 00:55:42,667
Speaker 25: But it's just a great way to not.

1232
00:55:42,627 --> 00:55:45,587
Speaker 11: Put yourself under pressure. You know, if you're playing with the.

1233
00:55:45,507 --> 00:55:49,947
Speaker 25: Ball and you're going eighteen fifteen phases and you're not

1234
00:55:49,947 --> 00:55:52,387
Speaker 25: making any inroads into the defense, you can put yourself

1235
00:55:52,467 --> 00:55:53,027
Speaker 25: under pressure.

1236
00:55:53,467 --> 00:55:55,587
Speaker 11: And so you see at international.

1237
00:55:55,187 --> 00:55:59,227
Speaker 25: Level playoff football, the box kicking or the kicking can

1238
00:55:59,267 --> 00:56:01,707
Speaker 25: take a little bit of pressure off off your attack,

1239
00:56:02,227 --> 00:56:04,587
Speaker 25: can put pressure back onto the catching team and then

1240
00:56:04,627 --> 00:56:07,427
Speaker 25: you can put them under pressure with your defense.

1241
00:56:07,507 --> 00:56:10,147
Speaker 11: So it's a massive part.

1242
00:56:10,027 --> 00:56:11,707
Speaker 25: In the game, and it's only going to grow with this,

1243
00:56:11,987 --> 00:56:14,667
Speaker 25: you know the way that's it's gone now for the

1244
00:56:14,667 --> 00:56:15,267
Speaker 25: collision work.

1245
00:56:15,947 --> 00:56:17,667
Speaker 4: Great insight, mate, great insight. I just want to ask

1246
00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:18,067
Speaker 4: you about a.

1247
00:56:18,027 --> 00:56:19,827
Speaker 3: Couple of players who you've had a lot to do

1248
00:56:19,867 --> 00:56:22,507
Speaker 3: with with the Hurricanes. Billy Propped is the first one.

1249
00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:24,747
Speaker 3: He's been giving a decent crack in the thirteen jersey

1250
00:56:24,787 --> 00:56:26,907
Speaker 3: this year for the All Blacks. Tonight will be his

1251
00:56:27,067 --> 00:56:29,547
Speaker 3: sixth test of the seven this year. How do you

1252
00:56:29,547 --> 00:56:31,347
Speaker 3: reckon he's going for the All Blacks at thirteen?

1253
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:33,187
Speaker 25: Yeah, I don't think he's gone as bad as some

1254
00:56:33,227 --> 00:56:36,387
Speaker 25: people have said. Obviously he's not, you know, his Test

1255
00:56:36,387 --> 00:56:39,267
Speaker 25: minus rugby. He's not standing out like like I guess

1256
00:56:39,267 --> 00:56:43,547
Speaker 25: he does with the Hurricanes. But if your watchers game properly,

1257
00:56:44,187 --> 00:56:46,867
Speaker 25: and what he does for the Canes is his energy

1258
00:56:46,907 --> 00:56:49,267
Speaker 25: and effort and to always be an option and to

1259
00:56:49,307 --> 00:56:51,787
Speaker 25: always be in the right place and to always clean

1260
00:56:51,867 --> 00:56:55,667
Speaker 25: up passes that have gone to ground or kicks or

1261
00:56:56,067 --> 00:56:58,507
Speaker 25: make reads on defense like that was a big part

1262
00:56:58,547 --> 00:57:00,987
Speaker 25: of it, and he's doing it now for the All Blacks.

1263
00:57:02,027 --> 00:57:04,667
Speaker 25: I think a little bit of maybe guys inside him.

1264
00:57:04,787 --> 00:57:09,427
Speaker 25: Geordie a couple of times have has made some interesting

1265
00:57:09,507 --> 00:57:14,507
Speaker 25: reads which has put pressure on which put pressure on Billy.

1266
00:57:14,667 --> 00:57:16,947
Speaker 25: But also did there Anton when he got the yellow card.

1267
00:57:16,947 --> 00:57:20,747
Speaker 25: That was Jordie's fault from jamming in. And then the

1268
00:57:20,787 --> 00:57:24,987
Speaker 25: wingers just where they're positioned, can can help or can

1269
00:57:24,987 --> 00:57:27,507
Speaker 25: make it harder on midfielders because that's where the pressure

1270
00:57:27,507 --> 00:57:30,107
Speaker 25: point is both attack and d and so so a

1271
00:57:30,107 --> 00:57:34,027
Speaker 25: couple of the scrum options when he's got beaten, especially

1272
00:57:34,027 --> 00:57:37,747
Speaker 25: against France, wasn't his fault. It was the wingers been

1273
00:57:38,547 --> 00:57:40,787
Speaker 25: being too deep in that one, so they didn't help him.

1274
00:57:40,867 --> 00:57:43,307
Speaker 25: So look, he's he's got to be better because the

1275
00:57:43,347 --> 00:57:44,067
Speaker 25: pressures on him.

1276
00:57:44,227 --> 00:57:48,267
Speaker 11: But he hasn't been as bad as as some people

1277
00:57:48,307 --> 00:57:49,987
Speaker 11: have made out in Wiles.

1278
00:57:50,187 --> 00:57:51,427
Speaker 4: And Reuben Love is the other one.

1279
00:57:51,467 --> 00:57:53,387
Speaker 3: He gets an opportunity off the bench tonight, just a

1280
00:57:53,467 --> 00:57:55,987
Speaker 3: second test of the year, third overall. I guess he

1281
00:57:56,107 --> 00:57:58,347
Speaker 3: just has to be patient, does he. We all know

1282
00:57:58,387 --> 00:58:01,267
Speaker 3: what a good player rig is, but in a stacked backfield,

1283
00:58:01,267 --> 00:58:03,387
Speaker 3: does he just have to be a bit patient?

1284
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:04,747
Speaker 6: Yeah, he does, and.

1285
00:58:04,747 --> 00:58:07,707
Speaker 25: He's just got to take his opportunities, you know, Will

1286
00:58:07,787 --> 00:58:11,627
Speaker 25: Jordan's at four big. You got McKenzie, who's I think

1287
00:58:11,707 --> 00:58:13,387
Speaker 25: is you know, just as good at the back, and

1288
00:58:13,667 --> 00:58:15,067
Speaker 25: he's awesome at catching high balls.

1289
00:58:15,107 --> 00:58:17,307
Speaker 11: And I think Ruben's.

1290
00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:19,387
Speaker 25: Best attribute is going to be high balls. You know,

1291
00:58:19,467 --> 00:58:22,307
Speaker 25: he's quite good off off both legs jumping.

1292
00:58:22,667 --> 00:58:26,347
Speaker 11: We're not if you if you watch Will Jordan's.

1293
00:58:25,947 --> 00:58:28,147
Speaker 25: And McKenzie's and guys like that, they can only jump

1294
00:58:28,187 --> 00:58:30,067
Speaker 25: off one one side of the you know, one leg,

1295
00:58:30,467 --> 00:58:32,227
Speaker 25: where Reuben can actually jump off both.

1296
00:58:32,747 --> 00:58:35,907
Speaker 11: So he suited around the whole field. So that's his

1297
00:58:35,987 --> 00:58:36,627
Speaker 11: best attribute.

1298
00:58:36,627 --> 00:58:40,107
Speaker 25: And if the kest coming, he gets an opportunity, you know,

1299
00:58:40,147 --> 00:58:42,147
Speaker 25: he's just got to take it. And but yeah, you're

1300
00:58:42,187 --> 00:58:45,867
Speaker 25: gonna have to be patient. Everyone knows, and and rugby

1301
00:58:45,947 --> 00:58:48,667
Speaker 25: or in sports and any team, if you've got quality

1302
00:58:48,707 --> 00:58:50,827
Speaker 25: guys in front of you, you know, you can't expect

1303
00:58:50,827 --> 00:58:53,307
Speaker 25: to just say, coach, drop them and let me ever go.

1304
00:58:53,387 --> 00:58:55,467
Speaker 25: You've got to, you know, continue to train well, and

1305
00:58:56,107 --> 00:58:58,787
Speaker 25: when you do good opportunities, you've got to you've got

1306
00:58:58,827 --> 00:59:01,267
Speaker 25: to perform. So then the coaches start thinking, I can

1307
00:59:01,267 --> 00:59:03,627
Speaker 25: pay this guy, you reckon, we'll win again tonight.

1308
00:59:05,387 --> 00:59:06,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think so.

1309
00:59:06,587 --> 00:59:08,627
Speaker 25: I hope, So I'm going to be there I'm taking

1310
00:59:08,667 --> 00:59:12,467
Speaker 25: my youngest, my youngest daughter to her first All Black game, so.

1311
00:59:14,147 --> 00:59:14,667
Speaker 11: Yeah, I hope.

1312
00:59:14,707 --> 00:59:18,467
Speaker 25: So I think, you know, like I said, the Allbacks

1313
00:59:18,507 --> 00:59:20,747
Speaker 25: might throw it around a little bit more than what they.

1314
00:59:20,667 --> 00:59:22,707
Speaker 11: Did South Africa.

1315
00:59:23,787 --> 00:59:27,667
Speaker 25: I don't have to be so predictable as they were

1316
00:59:27,707 --> 00:59:30,227
Speaker 25: to start the game, you know, same kind of line

1317
00:59:30,227 --> 00:59:32,507
Speaker 25: out strike to throw them all and got picked the.

1318
00:59:32,507 --> 00:59:35,627
Speaker 11: Part and they started bad and they worked their way

1319
00:59:35,627 --> 00:59:36,187
Speaker 11: back into it.

1320
00:59:36,267 --> 00:59:37,867
Speaker 25: So I reckon it is going to be an unbelievable

1321
00:59:37,907 --> 00:59:42,227
Speaker 25: test match and what a cool place to be in

1322
00:59:42,227 --> 00:59:42,867
Speaker 25: at the Capitol.

1323
00:59:42,987 --> 00:59:45,787
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, great to chat as always. Corey enjoyed the game, mate,

1324
00:59:45,787 --> 00:59:46,427
Speaker 3: Thanks for your time.

1325
00:59:46,907 --> 00:59:48,507
Speaker 11: Here's Bonny, good on you mate.

1326
00:59:48,507 --> 00:59:51,587
Speaker 3: That is Cory Jane, assistant coach with the Hurricanes these

1327
00:59:51,667 --> 00:59:54,827
Speaker 3: days and former All Blacks winger of course Rugby World

1328
00:59:54,827 --> 00:59:58,187
Speaker 3: Cup winner. He knows a lot about the game of rugby,

1329
00:59:58,747 --> 01:00:00,747
Speaker 3: you can tell just by listening to him. Corey Jane

1330
01:00:00,747 --> 01:00:02,147
Speaker 3: has always been a guy who's been a bit of

1331
01:00:02,187 --> 01:00:05,387
Speaker 3: a joker. I think he's always great in media situations,

1332
01:00:05,547 --> 01:00:08,347
Speaker 3: was when he was playing, but always sort of considered

1333
01:00:08,387 --> 01:00:11,787
Speaker 3: as as you know, a bit of a joker, a

1334
01:00:11,827 --> 01:00:14,067
Speaker 3: guy who was going to bring everybody together with a

1335
01:00:14,147 --> 01:00:16,947
Speaker 3: laugh and you know, a clever line. But he has

1336
01:00:17,027 --> 01:00:20,467
Speaker 3: a deep rugby knowledge. It's obvious just from listening to him.

1337
01:00:20,467 --> 01:00:23,987
Speaker 3: In the detail he went into there about how as

1338
01:00:24,067 --> 01:00:26,467
Speaker 3: you catch the high ball, why you do box kicks?

1339
01:00:26,707 --> 01:00:28,747
Speaker 3: What we should be looking for when we look at

1340
01:00:28,827 --> 01:00:31,027
Speaker 3: the way Billy Proctor is playing for the All Blacks

1341
01:00:31,027 --> 01:00:31,467
Speaker 3: at the moment?

1342
01:00:31,827 --> 01:00:31,947
Speaker 18: Was this?

1343
01:00:32,027 --> 01:00:34,387
Speaker 3: Says on text, Please make Corey Jane the next All

1344
01:00:34,387 --> 01:00:39,187
Speaker 3: Blacks coach. Well, you know he's in that Hurricane system.

1345
01:00:39,427 --> 01:00:44,027
Speaker 3: He's in charge of defense at Hurricanes HQ. And I'll

1346
01:00:44,027 --> 01:00:47,307
Speaker 3: tell you what, he's clearly built up a very impressive

1347
01:00:47,307 --> 01:00:49,267
Speaker 3: breadth of rugby knowledge. Great to have Corey Jane on

1348
01:00:49,267 --> 01:00:51,867
Speaker 3: the show. Marsi's Piney. You're probably going to join me

1349
01:00:51,907 --> 01:00:55,267
Speaker 3: at AA after the rugby seat. With all these pup stops, Mars,

1350
01:00:55,307 --> 01:00:58,547
Speaker 3: I've only got one more after this, Unfortunately, only more

1351
01:00:58,667 --> 01:01:00,707
Speaker 3: one more home test after this, one back up in

1352
01:01:00,747 --> 01:01:04,387
Speaker 3: Auckland in the back end of September. Not quite sure

1353
01:01:04,427 --> 01:01:07,907
Speaker 3: where we'll rock up that day, but we'll keep you posted.

1354
01:01:08,787 --> 01:01:10,907
Speaker 3: A bit of advice to Mike our South African found

1355
01:01:10,947 --> 01:01:12,667
Speaker 3: on text. If you don't like the weather in New Zealand.

1356
01:01:13,187 --> 01:01:13,747
Speaker 6: Just wait for.

1357
01:01:15,587 --> 01:01:16,987
Speaker 3: Wait for five minutes.

1358
01:01:17,307 --> 01:01:18,587
Speaker 4: Yeah that's Auckland, that wasn't it.

1359
01:01:18,667 --> 01:01:20,547
Speaker 3: If you don't know whether in Auckland, just wait five minutes,

1360
01:01:20,547 --> 01:01:23,267
Speaker 3: it'll be completely different. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

1361
01:01:23,267 --> 01:01:25,067
Speaker 3: want to open the lines for some calls. Anything you

1362
01:01:25,107 --> 01:01:27,947
Speaker 3: heard from Corey, Jane there, anything that's been percolating around

1363
01:01:27,987 --> 01:01:30,707
Speaker 3: in your head ahead of this Test match. Just heard

1364
01:01:30,747 --> 01:01:35,387
Speaker 3: news that unconfirmed that George Bauer has been pulled out

1365
01:01:35,427 --> 01:01:38,827
Speaker 3: of the Otago site for their game this afternoon and.

1366
01:01:40,147 --> 01:01:42,187
Speaker 4: Has been flowing to Wellington as cover.

1367
01:01:42,947 --> 01:01:45,907
Speaker 3: So I don't think that means there's any changes coming

1368
01:01:46,507 --> 01:01:48,907
Speaker 3: necessary or I don't I don't know this to be true.

1369
01:01:48,947 --> 01:01:52,267
Speaker 3: But Ethan DeGroot and Tyrell Lomax are set to start

1370
01:01:52,347 --> 01:01:56,867
Speaker 3: tonight with to Mighty Williams and Fletcher Nuwell coming off

1371
01:01:56,907 --> 01:01:59,227
Speaker 3: the bench. The other props in the squad pussly or

1372
01:01:59,307 --> 01:02:03,787
Speaker 3: Tossy and Olie Norris. So yeah, George Bauer, we're just

1373
01:02:03,827 --> 01:02:05,547
Speaker 3: getting that news through has been pulled out of the

1374
01:02:05,547 --> 01:02:09,067
Speaker 3: Otago side today, flying up to Wellington to provide cover.

1375
01:02:09,507 --> 01:02:11,587
Speaker 3: So we'll keep keep ears on that one for you

1376
01:02:11,867 --> 01:02:14,307
Speaker 3: and if we find anything else out then we'll we'll

1377
01:02:14,347 --> 01:02:16,947
Speaker 3: let you know. One twenty eight News Talks hed B.

1378
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:19,307
Speaker 3: Let's talk from Rugby. Any thoughts you have on the game.

1379
01:02:19,347 --> 01:02:22,787
Speaker 3: We're going to transition across the Warriors after two o'clock,

1380
01:02:22,827 --> 01:02:25,507
Speaker 3: but your chance to talk rugby between now and two

1381
01:02:25,827 --> 01:02:27,787
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Back at the

1382
01:02:27,827 --> 01:02:31,147
Speaker 3: moment as we broadcast live from Shed twenty two on

1383
01:02:31,187 --> 01:02:33,987
Speaker 3: Wellington's waterfront.

1384
01:02:34,347 --> 01:02:36,667
Speaker 2: Fly from Shed twenty two in Wellington.

1385
01:02:36,827 --> 01:02:41,147
Speaker 1: It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Gardner Holmes,

1386
01:02:41,347 --> 01:02:44,187
Speaker 1: New Zealand's first trusted home builder, News Talk.

1387
01:02:44,067 --> 01:02:47,867
Speaker 3: SENV News Talks, HEB and Weekend Sport. One thirty one.

1388
01:02:47,907 --> 01:02:50,187
Speaker 3: We're broadcasting light from Shared twenty two, which is starting

1389
01:02:50,187 --> 01:02:51,827
Speaker 3: to get a little bit noisier, but I think we

1390
01:02:51,867 --> 01:02:55,547
Speaker 3: can still hear one. Another couple of likely lads have

1391
01:02:55,627 --> 01:02:57,547
Speaker 3: joined us for a chat Christian and Right's nice to

1392
01:02:57,587 --> 01:03:00,587
Speaker 3: see you boys. Hey Briny, now you're here from Hawk's Bay.

1393
01:03:00,627 --> 01:03:02,107
Speaker 3: You got to shout out first of all Christian, but

1394
01:03:02,187 --> 01:03:03,227
Speaker 3: a shout out to your granddad.

1395
01:03:04,027 --> 01:03:05,627
Speaker 4: Get nicely close on the mic, then Mae.

1396
01:03:05,467 --> 01:03:08,107
Speaker 16: Can make our special shit out to Larry Jacobs from Flexmere.

1397
01:03:08,387 --> 01:03:10,307
Speaker 16: He's a bloody living legend mate.

1398
01:03:10,427 --> 01:03:11,867
Speaker 3: Larry Jacobs from Flexmith.

1399
01:03:11,947 --> 01:03:13,587
Speaker 4: He'll be listening as he is z B listener.

1400
01:03:13,627 --> 01:03:15,707
Speaker 16: Ye he's normally tuned on on Saturday over he pully

1401
01:03:15,747 --> 01:03:16,707
Speaker 16: finished woek this morning.

1402
01:03:16,827 --> 01:03:18,347
Speaker 11: It's putting on his way to the pub.

1403
01:03:18,467 --> 01:03:20,187
Speaker 16: And then he's got to make his way home on

1404
01:03:20,227 --> 01:03:22,867
Speaker 16: the bike. So enjoy your bike, rode home pop then

1405
01:03:23,227 --> 01:03:24,147
Speaker 16: every buddy, good day.

1406
01:03:24,227 --> 01:03:25,427
Speaker 4: I love it all right?

1407
01:03:25,467 --> 01:03:26,867
Speaker 3: Boys? Do you that from Hawk's Bay? Rodger?

1408
01:03:27,067 --> 01:03:27,947
Speaker 4: How many you got here?

1409
01:03:28,667 --> 01:03:30,787
Speaker 26: Pretty much got twelve on the road A social club

1410
01:03:30,827 --> 01:03:32,987
Speaker 26: thing the boys, young fellers putting ten dollars a week,

1411
01:03:33,067 --> 01:03:35,907
Speaker 26: so the boss has contributed. We're staying at the cambridge

1412
01:03:35,907 --> 01:03:38,987
Speaker 26: around the corner. It's obviously accommodation in pub and one

1413
01:03:39,307 --> 01:03:41,987
Speaker 26: we shall be grouping there about two pm checking and

1414
01:03:41,987 --> 01:03:43,667
Speaker 26: then it saw us all on from there made and

1415
01:03:43,667 --> 01:03:45,747
Speaker 26: then we'll be walking to the game, the big game.

1416
01:03:45,747 --> 01:03:48,507
Speaker 26: But we've got another big one on soon. I think

1417
01:03:48,587 --> 01:03:50,187
Speaker 26: Battle of the Bass indeed.

1418
01:03:49,827 --> 01:03:52,147
Speaker 3: Bettle of the Base, Hawk's Bay, Bay of plenty up

1419
01:03:52,147 --> 01:03:54,027
Speaker 3: and tod longer. How do you reckon? You make pipes

1420
01:03:54,027 --> 01:03:54,507
Speaker 3: are traveling?

1421
01:03:55,347 --> 01:03:56,147
Speaker 18: I think we were right.

1422
01:03:56,187 --> 01:03:57,827
Speaker 26: It sort of depends how a ford peck front up

1423
01:03:57,867 --> 01:04:01,107
Speaker 26: we've got all the names there. We must sing, Oh

1424
01:04:01,107 --> 01:04:07,467
Speaker 26: he's our first five today. But mcclutchy's stepping in. There

1425
01:04:07,547 --> 01:04:09,747
Speaker 26: is Harry God God frees out, is negla injury?

1426
01:04:09,827 --> 01:04:11,867
Speaker 3: Yeah he's a player. I like him.

1427
01:04:12,227 --> 01:04:15,667
Speaker 26: He is. Dan Sullivan's been going well at fullback. But yeah,

1428
01:04:15,667 --> 01:04:17,867
Speaker 26: bay planey, they've got a solid pack mate led by

1429
01:04:17,947 --> 01:04:20,587
Speaker 26: Kurt Eckland. And to just spends how we run up

1430
01:04:20,627 --> 01:04:23,347
Speaker 26: I think and Parson's place. I get it last week, mate,

1431
01:04:23,347 --> 01:04:25,307
Speaker 26: See we're in all the chance. But I tell you

1432
01:04:25,347 --> 01:04:27,827
Speaker 26: what now, meg Pie, the Hawkeye is going to fly

1433
01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,747
Speaker 26: up there and lay a big bay of plenty steamer

1434
01:04:29,827 --> 01:04:30,667
Speaker 26: right on their parade.

1435
01:04:30,707 --> 01:04:31,787
Speaker 3: Mate, that's my prediction.

1436
01:04:33,467 --> 01:04:33,947
Speaker 27: I love it.

1437
01:04:34,187 --> 01:04:36,227
Speaker 4: I'm glad I got you guys on. I love the

1438
01:04:36,227 --> 01:04:38,707
Speaker 4: provincial rivalry that comes with some things like this.

1439
01:04:38,867 --> 01:04:40,787
Speaker 3: Have you been to sky Stadium much, Christian? Is this

1440
01:04:40,907 --> 01:04:43,187
Speaker 3: a sort of an annual pilgrimage to a testment?

1441
01:04:43,267 --> 01:04:45,587
Speaker 16: Came up last year for our work social club came

1442
01:04:45,667 --> 01:04:48,947
Speaker 16: up last year and there was all blacks us Australia yep.

1443
01:04:49,187 --> 01:04:51,467
Speaker 16: Got away with a good win that day yep. And

1444
01:04:51,507 --> 01:04:53,427
Speaker 16: then this year the boss here, look, let's go up

1445
01:04:53,467 --> 01:04:55,587
Speaker 16: for the Springbox game. Let's get the spring box a

1446
01:04:55,627 --> 01:04:57,667
Speaker 16: good run for the money, and let's get into and

1447
01:04:57,707 --> 01:04:58,667
Speaker 16: fucking really test them.

1448
01:04:58,747 --> 01:05:00,267
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's a.

1449
01:05:00,667 --> 01:05:03,907
Speaker 3: It's a. I mean sky Stadium hasn't been the happiest

1450
01:05:03,947 --> 01:05:05,547
Speaker 3: hunting ground for the All Blacks.

1451
01:05:05,587 --> 01:05:08,067
Speaker 4: I mean the win last year against Australia.

1452
01:05:08,147 --> 01:05:10,667
Speaker 3: Before that, I think four or five without a Win's

1453
01:05:10,707 --> 01:05:13,147
Speaker 3: uch's gutsy to come here, you know, really you could

1454
01:05:13,147 --> 01:05:14,307
Speaker 3: have gone to Auckland where we.

1455
01:05:14,107 --> 01:05:14,827
Speaker 4: We never lose.

1456
01:05:15,107 --> 01:05:17,187
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, let's just beat the curse in let's come

1457
01:05:17,187 --> 01:05:19,507
Speaker 16: away with the win. I think. Ay, So as long

1458
01:05:19,547 --> 01:05:21,307
Speaker 16: as the boys get and go hard and they can

1459
01:05:21,347 --> 01:05:22,067
Speaker 16: do it, I think so.

1460
01:05:22,387 --> 01:05:23,147
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

1461
01:05:23,187 --> 01:05:24,867
Speaker 3: I look, I think last week was a bit of

1462
01:05:24,867 --> 01:05:27,107
Speaker 3: pressure off, right, you know, I mean they've lost last week.

1463
01:05:27,627 --> 01:05:29,667
Speaker 3: Entirely different game tonight, Right, what do you what are

1464
01:05:29,667 --> 01:05:31,347
Speaker 3: you expecting? It's going to be a bit windy, that

1465
01:05:31,387 --> 01:05:33,347
Speaker 3: won't surprise you. What are you expecting tonight?

1466
01:05:33,947 --> 01:05:37,187
Speaker 26: I'm expecting. I'm expecting an All Black one. I think

1467
01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:39,947
Speaker 26: Racey's you know, he's he's robbed the dice. But then again,

1468
01:05:39,987 --> 01:05:42,307
Speaker 26: his young guys, if they stand up, anything can happen.

1469
01:05:43,187 --> 01:05:45,867
Speaker 26: I wish we could slot Creole into thirteen for us.

1470
01:05:46,907 --> 01:05:49,627
Speaker 26: I think that it'll be lights out for those guys then.

1471
01:05:50,067 --> 01:05:52,307
Speaker 26: But yeah, I'm really keen to see Carter on the wing.

1472
01:05:52,347 --> 01:05:54,627
Speaker 26: And I think Rays has made some fold decisions, but

1473
01:05:54,667 --> 01:05:56,987
Speaker 26: they're probably due. Just wish we had Caleb Clark Beck

1474
01:05:57,027 --> 01:05:58,627
Speaker 26: as well. I think he would have been a great addition,

1475
01:05:58,747 --> 01:06:00,987
Speaker 26: you know. But no, I think I think it's all on.

1476
01:06:01,107 --> 01:06:01,307
Speaker 6: Mate.

1477
01:06:01,307 --> 01:06:04,867
Speaker 3: What a spectacle. Oh, I agree, and like we it's

1478
01:06:04,947 --> 01:06:07,027
Speaker 3: it is the best rivalry, isn't. We can say you

1479
01:06:07,027 --> 01:06:09,347
Speaker 3: were like playing against Australia, But I don't know. We've

1480
01:06:09,347 --> 01:06:10,787
Speaker 3: had to let us like up for too long now.

1481
01:06:11,107 --> 01:06:13,827
Speaker 3: I mean, they probably will be more competitive, but there's

1482
01:06:13,867 --> 01:06:15,747
Speaker 3: just something different is and they're about the spring box.

1483
01:06:15,787 --> 01:06:17,387
Speaker 3: I just love it when they come to town. They

1484
01:06:17,387 --> 01:06:19,667
Speaker 3: bring their fans. You know, it's always going to be

1485
01:06:19,667 --> 01:06:20,227
Speaker 3: about all right.

1486
01:06:20,307 --> 01:06:22,187
Speaker 26: Oh, there's nothing like it made. And there's so many

1487
01:06:22,187 --> 01:06:23,947
Speaker 26: of them here. It's just amazing. We went into going

1488
01:06:23,987 --> 01:06:26,787
Speaker 26: to and they're just everywhere and they're all in good spirits,

1489
01:06:26,787 --> 01:06:28,507
Speaker 26: you know, his name, negative stuff around.

1490
01:06:28,547 --> 01:06:30,947
Speaker 3: So let's just get into a game on. I say, mate,

1491
01:06:31,347 --> 01:06:33,467
Speaker 3: came on, have you stayed at the Cambridge before.

1492
01:06:33,787 --> 01:06:34,667
Speaker 6: Yeah, we love the cane.

1493
01:06:35,227 --> 01:06:39,147
Speaker 3: It's a cracker and it's absolute. It's like, well, I

1494
01:06:39,187 --> 01:06:40,627
Speaker 3: was going to say it's the center of the universe

1495
01:06:40,787 --> 01:06:43,027
Speaker 3: this weekend. It probably is with you blokes there. Oh,

1496
01:06:43,027 --> 01:06:44,027
Speaker 3: I will say Pioneer year.

1497
01:06:44,107 --> 01:06:46,587
Speaker 26: Last year we were there and for the as Christa said,

1498
01:06:46,627 --> 01:06:49,787
Speaker 26: for the Aussie game. And who who spoke David Campese

1499
01:06:49,907 --> 01:06:52,867
Speaker 26: and Dave Loverage. You know, I asked Campo, mate, what

1500
01:06:52,907 --> 01:06:55,067
Speaker 26: was the difference between you and all these modern day wingers?

1501
01:06:55,107 --> 01:06:58,227
Speaker 26: He said it was preparation. Roger and Michael Lyina helped

1502
01:06:58,227 --> 01:07:00,187
Speaker 26: me with that ease. I couldn't be bothered going down

1503
01:07:00,227 --> 01:07:02,827
Speaker 26: after ours, but he dragged me along. So that was

1504
01:07:02,867 --> 01:07:03,787
Speaker 26: really interesting to hear.

1505
01:07:03,867 --> 01:07:06,067
Speaker 3: You know, he's had some interesting things to say about Joe.

1506
01:07:06,427 --> 01:07:07,027
Speaker 4: Listen, he he.

1507
01:07:07,987 --> 01:07:08,667
Speaker 12: Just hates to me.

1508
01:07:09,667 --> 01:07:10,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a.

1509
01:07:10,387 --> 01:07:11,067
Speaker 3: Strong one.

1510
01:07:12,667 --> 01:07:13,187
Speaker 6: To argue.

1511
01:07:13,267 --> 01:07:15,787
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you look what Joe Schmitt's done.

1512
01:07:15,827 --> 01:07:17,627
Speaker 3: You know, they went over to Ellis Park and came

1513
01:07:17,627 --> 01:07:19,907
Speaker 3: back from what twenty two to win that. They beat

1514
01:07:19,987 --> 01:07:21,867
Speaker 3: Argentina last week. What I loved about that game they

1515
01:07:21,867 --> 01:07:24,147
Speaker 3: had the chance to draw it at the end, had

1516
01:07:24,147 --> 01:07:26,147
Speaker 3: a shot at goal would have been a drawer. We'll

1517
01:07:26,187 --> 01:07:26,667
Speaker 3: take the win.

1518
01:07:26,987 --> 01:07:27,387
Speaker 2: I reckon.

1519
01:07:27,427 --> 01:07:28,547
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying they're going to win the

1520
01:07:28,547 --> 01:07:30,627
Speaker 3: Bledder Slow Cup Christian, but they're better than they used

1521
01:07:30,627 --> 01:07:31,187
Speaker 3: to be out Bay.

1522
01:07:32,547 --> 01:07:35,667
Speaker 26: Yeah, let's start Wonder's made and Campanese to maybe get

1523
01:07:35,707 --> 01:07:37,067
Speaker 26: on here and apologize about it.

1524
01:07:38,587 --> 01:07:40,427
Speaker 3: Boys, It's been so good to see you. We've got

1525
01:07:40,427 --> 01:07:42,187
Speaker 3: a couple of drinks aboutchers for it. Unless we've already

1526
01:07:42,187 --> 01:07:43,787
Speaker 3: given them to you, We've probably got some more for you.

1527
01:07:44,107 --> 01:07:46,467
Speaker 3: Thanks for stopping and great to see you. Enjoy the

1528
01:07:46,467 --> 01:07:49,267
Speaker 3: rest of your stay. Thanks, love you mate, Get on

1529
01:07:49,267 --> 01:07:52,427
Speaker 3: your voice cover of cople of Fantastic all lax fans

1530
01:07:52,507 --> 01:07:54,747
Speaker 3: from Hawks Bay, Kristin and Roger joining us. If you

1531
01:07:54,787 --> 01:07:57,627
Speaker 3: are in the area Shared twenty two. It's on Wellington's waterfront.

1532
01:07:57,827 --> 01:07:59,867
Speaker 3: We would love to see you. Please feel free to

1533
01:07:59,867 --> 01:08:01,867
Speaker 3: pop in and say gooday or give us a yell

1534
01:08:01,947 --> 01:08:02,307
Speaker 3: on the phone.

1535
01:08:02,347 --> 01:08:05,067
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty helloeen.

1536
01:08:06,987 --> 01:08:07,027
Speaker 14: H.

1537
01:08:07,347 --> 01:08:08,307
Speaker 27: Hey you going today?

1538
01:08:08,827 --> 01:08:11,307
Speaker 3: I'm doing very well today and I'm at I'm at

1539
01:08:11,307 --> 01:08:13,947
Speaker 3: another I'm at another pub, so it seems to be

1540
01:08:13,987 --> 01:08:14,987
Speaker 3: working out well for me.

1541
01:08:15,947 --> 01:08:18,947
Speaker 27: I know I he that person before, see he must

1542
01:08:18,987 --> 01:08:22,947
Speaker 27: be very alcohol done and I'm just so sure about

1543
01:08:22,947 --> 01:08:27,747
Speaker 27: that because of your job. But of course today it's

1544
01:08:27,787 --> 01:08:31,227
Speaker 27: the battle of the bays and numbers that those two

1545
01:08:31,307 --> 01:08:33,947
Speaker 27: people on police that come down from Hawk's Bay and

1546
01:08:34,027 --> 01:08:38,067
Speaker 27: Orange the thing. I can't travel. I'm on a wheel yours,

1547
01:08:38,187 --> 01:08:41,947
Speaker 27: I think, but I haven't said that, you know. I

1548
01:08:42,067 --> 01:08:47,547
Speaker 27: just love it and my possession today is the base

1549
01:08:47,547 --> 01:08:51,067
Speaker 27: is going to win and come back to the bay.

1550
01:08:51,067 --> 01:08:54,027
Speaker 27: Don't forgive the sorrow for us year and they give

1551
01:08:54,107 --> 01:08:54,387
Speaker 27: us a.

1552
01:08:54,387 --> 01:08:57,707
Speaker 18: Hide they have been.

1553
01:08:57,787 --> 01:08:59,947
Speaker 3: He gave you a hiding last year? Did that that's

1554
01:08:59,947 --> 01:09:01,587
Speaker 3: slipped my memory? Did they give you a bit of

1555
01:09:01,587 --> 01:09:02,107
Speaker 3: a tech club?

1556
01:09:02,907 --> 01:09:03,107
Speaker 1: Oh?

1557
01:09:03,827 --> 01:09:06,307
Speaker 27: I took club. Wouldn't be the woods for I want to.

1558
01:09:08,667 --> 01:09:10,307
Speaker 3: Ah, good Manny, and well you've got a couple of

1559
01:09:10,307 --> 01:09:13,627
Speaker 3: your Hawks bay. Faithful heir, I'm flying the flag. Great

1560
01:09:13,627 --> 01:09:15,627
Speaker 3: to hear from you too, mate. Enjoy that game, enjoy

1561
01:09:15,667 --> 01:09:17,827
Speaker 3: the all black stest tonight. Thanks for taking the time

1562
01:09:17,827 --> 01:09:21,307
Speaker 3: to call and really really appreciate it, um Mecca, says

1563
01:09:21,347 --> 01:09:24,107
Speaker 3: Piney Corey Jane's explanation of the box keck spot on.

1564
01:09:24,547 --> 01:09:27,267
Speaker 3: I keep explaining to my wife every game he goes

1565
01:09:27,307 --> 01:09:30,027
Speaker 3: to bed at half time that they don't know how

1566
01:09:30,027 --> 01:09:30,667
Speaker 3: to diffuse them.

1567
01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:31,507
Speaker 4: God on your maca you look.

1568
01:09:31,547 --> 01:09:34,427
Speaker 3: I think that's probably one of the most insightful bits

1569
01:09:34,467 --> 01:09:38,667
Speaker 3: of rugby analysis we've had for ages. Having having Corey

1570
01:09:38,747 --> 01:09:41,387
Speaker 3: Jane on the show, we do have time for a

1571
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:42,987
Speaker 3: couple more course, here John on the line. He seems

1572
01:09:42,987 --> 01:09:44,987
Speaker 3: to have dropped off. We might try and get John back. Oh,

1573
01:09:45,027 --> 01:09:47,667
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty h Phil says, what

1574
01:09:47,707 --> 01:09:50,067
Speaker 3: a great chat with Corey Jane. I loved listening to him.

1575
01:09:50,507 --> 01:09:52,787
Speaker 3: A guy who really knows what he's talking about. Brilliant.

1576
01:09:52,787 --> 01:09:55,627
Speaker 3: He may even have changed my view on box kicking,

1577
01:09:55,627 --> 01:09:58,987
Speaker 3: but only a little. And feed the backs, says Phil.

1578
01:09:59,747 --> 01:10:03,467
Speaker 3: Feed the backs, driving and enjoying Piney. What about the

1579
01:10:03,467 --> 01:10:05,907
Speaker 3: World Cup game tonight, Yes, don't you worry. We are

1580
01:10:06,027 --> 01:10:08,587
Speaker 3: different getting onto the World Cup game tonight. The Black

1581
01:10:08,587 --> 01:10:12,027
Speaker 3: Ferns up against South Africa. Stacy Walker is on the

1582
01:10:12,027 --> 01:10:14,987
Speaker 3: show with us after two o'clock, So after two we're

1583
01:10:15,027 --> 01:10:16,947
Speaker 3: going to pivot. We know there's lots of sport on,

1584
01:10:17,587 --> 01:10:19,987
Speaker 3: we know that there's lots to cover off, so Warriors.

1585
01:10:20,067 --> 01:10:25,627
Speaker 3: After two we're going to talk to rich Hagar, the

1586
01:10:25,627 --> 01:10:28,467
Speaker 3: assistant coach of the Warriors, headed the game against Penrith

1587
01:10:28,507 --> 01:10:30,747
Speaker 3: and I and then Stacy Walker out of the black

1588
01:10:30,747 --> 01:10:33,467
Speaker 3: ferns as well. Don't forget also your chance to win

1589
01:10:33,587 --> 01:10:36,987
Speaker 3: when we play a sporting chance in around an hour

1590
01:10:37,107 --> 01:10:38,627
Speaker 3: or so from now. This is where we give you

1591
01:10:38,667 --> 01:10:41,387
Speaker 3: the chance to have a punt with a one hundred

1592
01:10:41,427 --> 01:10:44,267
Speaker 3: and fifty dollars bonus bet from the tab. We've given

1593
01:10:44,307 --> 01:10:46,947
Speaker 3: you three options, or we will give our lucky caller

1594
01:10:47,027 --> 01:10:50,987
Speaker 3: three options. They choose whichever one they want and if

1595
01:10:50,987 --> 01:10:54,387
Speaker 3: it comes in then they claim the winnings. Oh, eight

1596
01:10:54,467 --> 01:10:56,307
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty As always as our number

1597
01:10:56,347 --> 01:10:58,587
Speaker 3: twenty one away from two, we'll take a break. Come

1598
01:10:58,627 --> 01:11:00,787
Speaker 3: back heat across the Tasman where there's plenty of sport

1599
01:11:00,827 --> 01:11:04,707
Speaker 3: happening as well, including the second Rugby Championship Test between

1600
01:11:04,907 --> 01:11:09,147
Speaker 3: Argentina and the Wallaby this afternoon. Adam Peacock, our Ossie correspondent,

1601
01:11:09,227 --> 01:11:10,467
Speaker 3: going to stopping after this.

1602
01:11:13,947 --> 01:11:16,707
Speaker 2: Counting down to Ald Lakes v South Africa on your

1603
01:11:16,827 --> 01:11:17,787
Speaker 2: home of Sport.

1604
01:11:18,027 --> 01:11:21,867
Speaker 1: It's weekend Sport Late from Shed twenty two in Wellington

1605
01:11:22,027 --> 01:11:26,067
Speaker 1: with Jason five and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most

1606
01:11:26,107 --> 01:11:28,307
Speaker 1: trusted home builder, News Talk said, be.

1607
01:11:28,827 --> 01:11:30,827
Speaker 3: Starting to get quite packed here at Shed twenty two.

1608
01:11:30,827 --> 01:11:33,307
Speaker 3: We're here until three o'clock this afternoon. Our build up

1609
01:11:33,307 --> 01:11:36,667
Speaker 3: to the test this evening starts at six here on

1610
01:11:36,707 --> 01:11:39,747
Speaker 3: news Talk, said b kickoff is at five past seven,

1611
01:11:40,027 --> 01:11:42,027
Speaker 3: and just a reminder that if you want to hang

1612
01:11:42,067 --> 01:11:44,667
Speaker 3: around after the game, we are going to take some

1613
01:11:44,707 --> 01:11:47,507
Speaker 3: calls after full time tonight. We did it last week

1614
01:11:47,507 --> 01:11:49,787
Speaker 3: at Edon Park. It seemed to go okay. We had

1615
01:11:49,787 --> 01:11:51,427
Speaker 3: a lot of people calling in wanting to give their

1616
01:11:51,467 --> 01:11:53,787
Speaker 3: instant reaction to the game, so we will do that

1617
01:11:53,867 --> 01:11:57,267
Speaker 3: again tonight. So at the completion of the match and

1618
01:11:57,307 --> 01:12:00,147
Speaker 3: once Elliott Smith and Ross Bond have wrapped up their

1619
01:12:00,227 --> 01:12:03,787
Speaker 3: tactical analysis, then we will open the lines between then,

1620
01:12:04,107 --> 01:12:06,067
Speaker 3: which is likely to be what around quarter past twenty

1621
01:12:06,107 --> 01:12:08,347
Speaker 3: pasts through until ten o'clock.

1622
01:12:08,387 --> 01:12:10,187
Speaker 4: Will take some instant reaction.

1623
01:12:11,107 --> 01:12:14,747
Speaker 3: So if you go into the game and a driving

1624
01:12:14,747 --> 01:12:17,747
Speaker 3: home afterwards, provided your hands free or a passenger in

1625
01:12:17,787 --> 01:12:19,507
Speaker 3: the car, you might want to give us a yell.

1626
01:12:19,587 --> 01:12:22,867
Speaker 3: But yeah, instant reaction after the game tonight here on

1627
01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:25,747
Speaker 3: news Talk, said BTE Peter says, piney, can you stop

1628
01:12:25,827 --> 01:12:30,067
Speaker 3: mentioning the wind in every second conversation you have? There

1629
01:12:30,067 --> 01:12:33,427
Speaker 3: was wind and rain last week, but it was hardly mentioned. Yeah,

1630
01:12:33,427 --> 01:12:36,147
Speaker 3: thanks Pete. Pete says I'd like to be there for

1631
01:12:36,187 --> 01:12:37,587
Speaker 3: a beer. Pete, if you'd come down, I would have

1632
01:12:37,587 --> 01:12:39,867
Speaker 3: bought you a beer. When I say, when I said

1633
01:12:39,867 --> 01:12:41,427
Speaker 3: I would have bought it for you, I would have

1634
01:12:41,427 --> 01:12:42,587
Speaker 3: given you one on our tab.

1635
01:12:43,907 --> 01:12:45,627
Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.

1636
01:12:45,707 --> 01:12:49,627
Speaker 3: Australian correspondent Adam Peacock is with us and before we

1637
01:12:49,667 --> 01:12:51,627
Speaker 3: get the chance to watch the All Black South Africa

1638
01:12:51,787 --> 01:12:56,387
Speaker 3: Mark two tonight, it's episode two of Australia against Argentina

1639
01:12:56,947 --> 01:12:59,507
Speaker 3: in Sydney. The Wallaby's getting home very late in the

1640
01:12:59,507 --> 01:13:02,427
Speaker 3: first game in Townsville last weekend, and we've got another

1641
01:13:02,467 --> 01:13:04,987
Speaker 3: afternoon kickoff in your hometown this afternoon.

1642
01:13:05,987 --> 01:13:10,227
Speaker 28: Yeah, hello at the throwback in Sydney. We always used

1643
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:13,627
Speaker 28: to play our Wallabies tests on our Saturday afternoon three o'clock.

1644
01:13:13,707 --> 01:13:15,707
Speaker 28: They used to clear the decks for club rugby and

1645
01:13:17,147 --> 01:13:20,747
Speaker 28: get it all done and play the game in the sego.

1646
01:13:21,067 --> 01:13:23,507
Speaker 28: It was always so there's a throwback, but it's a

1647
01:13:23,507 --> 01:13:27,547
Speaker 28: modern age convenience throwback because they want to avoid the.

1648
01:13:28,147 --> 01:13:31,507
Speaker 19: NRL Finals so they chucked it on at two pm. Now,

1649
01:13:31,507 --> 01:13:33,307
Speaker 19: if you told me forty eight hours ago. This is

1650
01:13:33,347 --> 01:13:35,187
Speaker 19: going to be a great occasion everything. I would have

1651
01:13:35,187 --> 01:13:37,747
Speaker 19: doubted you because the pitch was flooded actually because we've

1652
01:13:37,747 --> 01:13:41,747
Speaker 19: got one hundred mills on Thursday and alliances just their drainage.

1653
01:13:41,747 --> 01:13:44,787
Speaker 19: You shot, but we've worken up to two successive days

1654
01:13:44,827 --> 01:13:48,747
Speaker 19: including today. It's just brilliant sunshine. So I personally cannot

1655
01:13:48,787 --> 01:13:51,267
Speaker 19: wait to see the app. Personally the atmosphere there because

1656
01:13:51,267 --> 01:13:54,067
Speaker 19: it seems there's a lot of art Atinian backpackers in

1657
01:13:54,107 --> 01:13:57,907
Speaker 19: Sydney and past only here they made a football like atmosphere.

1658
01:13:57,907 --> 01:14:00,467
Speaker 19: It was like a river plate like a juniors game.

1659
01:14:00,547 --> 01:14:01,907
Speaker 19: So this is going to be the same.

1660
01:14:01,947 --> 01:14:04,707
Speaker 3: It's going to be epic, Yeah, absolutely, and similarly here

1661
01:14:04,787 --> 01:14:06,987
Speaker 3: of course, as you know with sad break and rugby

1662
01:14:07,027 --> 01:14:09,027
Speaker 3: fans when they get the chance to face the All Blacks.

1663
01:14:09,147 --> 01:14:11,667
Speaker 3: As I say, the Wallabies got there with a late

1664
01:14:11,707 --> 01:14:14,067
Speaker 3: decision not to kick for goal and take the drawer

1665
01:14:14,107 --> 01:14:16,747
Speaker 3: last week, but the more courageous decision to go for

1666
01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:18,947
Speaker 3: the try which paid off. I get the feeling that

1667
01:14:18,947 --> 01:14:22,187
Speaker 3: would have been met with a lot of positive acclaim.

1668
01:14:22,227 --> 01:14:24,147
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it the chance to you know, to take the

1669
01:14:24,227 --> 01:14:25,707
Speaker 3: draw or go for the win and you go for

1670
01:14:25,747 --> 01:14:25,987
Speaker 3: the win.

1671
01:14:26,947 --> 01:14:30,427
Speaker 19: Correct, Yes, I remember, and you'd remember it too, fine,

1672
01:14:30,467 --> 01:14:33,547
Speaker 19: it was. I remember watching it during the last World

1673
01:14:33,587 --> 01:14:35,307
Speaker 19: Cup in guitar at the Football World.

1674
01:14:35,147 --> 01:14:41,227
Speaker 29: Cup twenty twenty two England, New Zealand Eddie Jones England's

1675
01:14:41,667 --> 01:14:44,627
Speaker 29: there was a draw full time when and Eddie just

1676
01:14:44,667 --> 01:14:46,067
Speaker 29: kicked it out and kicked the drawp.

1677
01:14:47,267 --> 01:14:47,867
Speaker 2: We don't do that.

1678
01:14:48,067 --> 01:14:51,627
Speaker 19: We don't do that the Southern Hemisphere. We don't do

1679
01:14:51,667 --> 01:14:52,827
Speaker 19: any Jones anymore either.

1680
01:14:53,427 --> 01:14:54,347
Speaker 10: Everything that happened.

1681
01:14:54,387 --> 01:14:58,867
Speaker 19: But no, it's it is. You like to say it's

1682
01:14:58,867 --> 01:15:01,227
Speaker 19: the Australian way, but it's like, come on, you're there

1683
01:15:01,227 --> 01:15:02,667
Speaker 19: to win a game. And if you've got the opportunity

1684
01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:04,627
Speaker 19: to win a game and go win it and a

1685
01:15:04,707 --> 01:15:08,027
Speaker 19: draw would have like we're all walking away at home

1686
01:15:08,067 --> 01:15:09,907
Speaker 19: in a game like this, you walk away, Is it

1687
01:15:09,947 --> 01:15:12,547
Speaker 19: any different feeling like a lost? Probably not, so you

1688
01:15:12,627 --> 01:15:15,067
Speaker 19: win the game. But obviously there's a lot to consider

1689
01:15:15,147 --> 01:15:17,707
Speaker 19: and try and work out why there was the clos escape.

1690
01:15:17,707 --> 01:15:20,707
Speaker 19: The fair reason why is Arseni and Argentina is a

1691
01:15:20,787 --> 01:15:24,387
Speaker 19: damn good side. So yeah, we'll see. I've got a

1692
01:15:24,387 --> 01:15:26,387
Speaker 19: feeling it's going to be a similar kind of margin

1693
01:15:26,547 --> 01:15:29,347
Speaker 19: this afternoon Argentina will find away and they'll be lifted

1694
01:15:29,347 --> 01:15:31,667
Speaker 19: by their away home crowd, if you know what I mean.

1695
01:15:31,707 --> 01:15:34,107
Speaker 3: And two o'clock your time, four o'clock for us leading

1696
01:15:34,107 --> 01:15:36,307
Speaker 3: into the Test match tonight. But as you say, the

1697
01:15:36,347 --> 01:15:39,907
Speaker 3: reason it's an early kickoff is to avoid NRL finals. Well,

1698
01:15:39,947 --> 01:15:41,627
Speaker 3: there's one game on this side of the ditch about

1699
01:15:41,667 --> 01:15:45,267
Speaker 3: four o'clock your time, Warriors Panthers then Sharks Roosters to

1700
01:15:45,387 --> 01:15:47,627
Speaker 3: follow the storm getting the job done against the Bulldogs

1701
01:15:47,667 --> 01:15:50,947
Speaker 3: last night. What chance do you give our Warriors at

1702
01:15:50,987 --> 01:15:53,267
Speaker 3: home to the Penrith Panthers A bit later on.

1703
01:15:54,587 --> 01:15:57,227
Speaker 19: Everyone over here is saying, oh, will penrithy been in

1704
01:15:57,267 --> 01:16:00,907
Speaker 19: this great run? They'll win, but they're without their hooker.

1705
01:16:01,547 --> 01:16:03,987
Speaker 19: And I don't care what you say the thirty thousand people.

1706
01:16:04,067 --> 01:16:06,627
Speaker 19: I think it is there at home for Auckland yep,

1707
01:16:07,147 --> 01:16:12,067
Speaker 19: for the wires. That plays a part. Jones, Fisher Harris.

1708
01:16:12,387 --> 01:16:16,507
Speaker 19: You know he loves his former teammates, but he desperately

1709
01:16:16,507 --> 01:16:20,227
Speaker 19: wants to beat them. So yeah, I'm just not totally

1710
01:16:20,267 --> 01:16:23,187
Speaker 19: discounting the Warriors Penrits deservedly fair. What I do want

1711
01:16:23,187 --> 01:16:26,747
Speaker 19: to know, Piney is maybe your listeners might know any

1712
01:16:26,787 --> 01:16:30,507
Speaker 19: fireworks displays out hotel last night.

1713
01:16:30,947 --> 01:16:32,627
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they'll call, and I haven't heard of any

1714
01:16:32,707 --> 01:16:36,667
Speaker 3: this morning or into the early afternoon. We'll get anybody

1715
01:16:36,667 --> 01:16:39,547
Speaker 3: in that vicinity to let us know. He is similar

1716
01:16:39,587 --> 01:16:42,027
Speaker 3: to when the All Whites went to Peru to try

1717
01:16:42,027 --> 01:16:44,187
Speaker 3: and qualify for the World Cup back in twenty seventeen

1718
01:16:44,227 --> 01:16:47,107
Speaker 3: and at a fireworks display outside their hotel.

1719
01:16:48,387 --> 01:16:50,267
Speaker 19: I'd be disappointed if there wasn't one.

1720
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:52,467
Speaker 3: All right, we'll see if we can get the intel

1721
01:16:52,507 --> 01:16:54,947
Speaker 3: on that. Hey, just speaking of football. Actually, in the

1722
01:16:55,347 --> 01:16:57,707
Speaker 3: All White Soccer use played the Soccer Ashes over the

1723
01:16:57,787 --> 01:17:00,387
Speaker 3: last week, Game two in Auckland on Tuesday night, and

1724
01:17:01,107 --> 01:17:04,307
Speaker 3: the soccer Roos were worthy winners. Gee catching the eye

1725
01:17:04,307 --> 01:17:07,987
Speaker 3: a couple of young guns Motor and Story baron Kunda

1726
01:17:08,267 --> 01:17:10,467
Speaker 3: high excitement. I'm sure about these two and what they

1727
01:17:10,547 --> 01:17:12,987
Speaker 3: might produce in a soccer Rooge jersey from here.

1728
01:17:13,907 --> 01:17:18,307
Speaker 19: Yeah, Tony Probavis doesn't just throw kids in and it's

1729
01:17:18,307 --> 01:17:20,147
Speaker 19: happened a few times. Happened in this camp as well

1730
01:17:20,147 --> 01:17:23,227
Speaker 19: with Noah Bodiche and Adrian Segacicchi. He gets them in

1731
01:17:23,267 --> 01:17:25,427
Speaker 19: and he basically you're in the you're in the squad,

1732
01:17:25,427 --> 01:17:27,507
Speaker 19: but you don't play for the first kind of time

1733
01:17:27,547 --> 01:17:31,507
Speaker 19: you're in the squad, and yeah, nessar's kind of intriguing

1734
01:17:31,547 --> 01:17:34,387
Speaker 19: relationship with national team coaches who have left him out

1735
01:17:34,507 --> 01:17:36,747
Speaker 19: or not picked him or said he's not good enough

1736
01:17:36,787 --> 01:17:37,107
Speaker 19: for the.

1737
01:17:37,867 --> 01:17:38,587
Speaker 2: He's good enough.

1738
01:17:38,747 --> 01:17:42,587
Speaker 19: He's he's our closest thing to anyone that's going to

1739
01:17:42,587 --> 01:17:45,507
Speaker 19: get sold for forty million pounds from the Championship to

1740
01:17:45,547 --> 01:17:47,427
Speaker 19: the Premier League. Stay for Watford at the moment, but

1741
01:17:47,947 --> 01:17:50,307
Speaker 19: you guys are laced with Premier League talent and obviously

1742
01:17:50,587 --> 01:17:53,147
Speaker 19: our closer bond isn't even closer now that Chris Wood

1743
01:17:53,227 --> 01:17:56,067
Speaker 19: is going to be managed by Dogwin yep. But we'll

1744
01:17:56,067 --> 01:17:58,787
Speaker 19: get to that. But yeah, it's just exciting because these

1745
01:17:58,787 --> 01:18:00,787
Speaker 19: guys have gone over got their grounding in the A

1746
01:18:00,947 --> 01:18:03,267
Speaker 19: League and now taking that I think I've talked about

1747
01:18:03,267 --> 01:18:05,627
Speaker 19: it before. They take that first, they overseas like a

1748
01:18:05,627 --> 01:18:08,027
Speaker 19: lot of your or and then they get they go

1749
01:18:08,107 --> 01:18:09,747
Speaker 19: up the ladder like Jordy Pass has not up the

1750
01:18:09,827 --> 01:18:12,147
Speaker 19: ladder to final. So now they've got the chance to

1751
01:18:12,187 --> 01:18:14,107
Speaker 19: show it on the international serves. I just hope that

1752
01:18:14,147 --> 01:18:16,947
Speaker 19: the tactics allow these players to show everyone what they

1753
01:18:16,947 --> 01:18:20,067
Speaker 19: can do, because they can be unbelievably damaging in the

1754
01:18:20,107 --> 01:18:20,947
Speaker 19: final third.

1755
01:18:20,827 --> 01:18:23,827
Speaker 3: Indeed, And yeah, let's finish with Ange pasta cooglu a

1756
01:18:23,867 --> 01:18:27,707
Speaker 3: new gig Nottingham Forest including Chris Wood. Quite a nice

1757
01:18:27,707 --> 01:18:31,467
Speaker 3: tasty first up assignment after the Emirates to pace Arsenal tonight.

1758
01:18:31,507 --> 01:18:34,027
Speaker 4: And what's the reaction being to Ange picking up a

1759
01:18:34,027 --> 01:18:34,427
Speaker 4: new gig.

1760
01:18:35,147 --> 01:18:35,267
Speaker 29: Oh?

1761
01:18:35,427 --> 01:18:37,907
Speaker 19: Here in Australia, were just pump. We're over the moon

1762
01:18:37,907 --> 01:18:40,467
Speaker 19: that he gets another shot. I get the skepticism over

1763
01:18:40,587 --> 01:18:43,027
Speaker 19: in the UK that is this guy the right fifty

1764
01:18:43,067 --> 01:18:47,587
Speaker 19: finished seventeen and that's been the narrative more than the

1765
01:18:47,707 --> 01:18:51,707
Speaker 19: last guy. He coached a title winning side in the

1766
01:18:51,707 --> 01:18:54,707
Speaker 19: Europa League in Tottenham. It's more about I finished seventeenth

1767
01:18:54,747 --> 01:18:57,947
Speaker 19: in the Premier League, which I find odd because one

1768
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:02,307
Speaker 19: didn't go without the other. But yeah, we're absolutely pumps.

1769
01:19:02,347 --> 01:19:04,387
Speaker 19: And we're doing a coverage on stands board over here

1770
01:19:05,427 --> 01:19:09,307
Speaker 19: tonight on the party. What a day of sport Union

1771
01:19:09,547 --> 01:19:12,707
Speaker 19: A finals, regul League finals. We've got Davis Cup over

1772
01:19:12,747 --> 01:19:16,187
Speaker 19: here in town. You've got that the Premier League to

1773
01:19:16,227 --> 01:19:18,027
Speaker 19: end things off, and you've got a World Athletic champions

1774
01:19:18,027 --> 01:19:21,387
Speaker 19: You've started as well as enough to look at. But

1775
01:19:21,947 --> 01:19:24,227
Speaker 19: all eyes will be fixed on ands tonight because it'll

1776
01:19:24,627 --> 01:19:26,547
Speaker 19: happen when everything's pretty much done.

1777
01:19:26,867 --> 01:19:27,027
Speaker 6: Yep.

1778
01:19:27,107 --> 01:19:30,107
Speaker 3: These are the weekends that sports fans absolutely love. Great

1779
01:19:30,387 --> 01:19:32,067
Speaker 3: to get your view on it, mate. We'll catch up

1780
01:19:32,067 --> 01:19:33,667
Speaker 3: again same time next Satura. I hope you get some

1781
01:19:33,667 --> 01:19:34,507
Speaker 3: sleep at some stage.

1782
01:19:35,227 --> 01:19:38,147
Speaker 19: Overrated, Thanks mate, over.

1783
01:19:38,107 --> 01:19:41,027
Speaker 3: Rated indeed, thanks mane that and be got our Australian

1784
01:19:41,027 --> 01:19:43,427
Speaker 3: correspondent on the radio with us around this time every

1785
01:19:43,787 --> 01:19:50,507
Speaker 3: Saturday afternoon. It really is a sports lover's buffet. Over

1786
01:19:50,507 --> 01:19:53,427
Speaker 3: the next twelve hours or so, we've got quite a

1787
01:19:53,427 --> 01:19:55,627
Speaker 3: bit of live sport actually to update you on in

1788
01:19:55,707 --> 01:19:58,547
Speaker 3: terms of far Apartmer Cup and Bunning's in BC. Also,

1789
01:19:59,027 --> 01:20:01,427
Speaker 3: they're just about to get underway at the World Trek

1790
01:20:01,467 --> 01:20:05,227
Speaker 3: and Field Champs in Tokyo and qualifying for the men's

1791
01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:08,307
Speaker 3: shot put that is just about to start. We've got

1792
01:20:08,387 --> 01:20:12,467
Speaker 3: a couple of competitors, Tom Walsh and also Nick Palmer

1793
01:20:12,747 --> 01:20:16,107
Speaker 3: are involved in qualifying. One fifty five New Zealand Times

1794
01:20:16,187 --> 01:20:19,987
Speaker 3: was it about three minutes away from qualifying getting under

1795
01:20:20,027 --> 01:20:22,907
Speaker 3: way and then the final if one or both make

1796
01:20:22,947 --> 01:20:26,387
Speaker 3: it just after midnight tonight, just checking on what you

1797
01:20:26,467 --> 01:20:30,587
Speaker 3: have to do. Twenty one thirty five or the best

1798
01:20:30,627 --> 01:20:33,387
Speaker 3: twelve inside the best twelve. So you've got to throw

1799
01:20:33,427 --> 01:20:36,747
Speaker 3: twenty one to thirty five or be inside the top twelve.

1800
01:20:37,387 --> 01:20:39,707
Speaker 3: Nick Palmer has never thrown twenty one to thirty five.

1801
01:20:39,747 --> 01:20:44,147
Speaker 3: His best is twenty meters thirty two. Tom Walstough has

1802
01:20:44,587 --> 01:20:47,267
Speaker 3: a personal best of twenty two meters ninety so he

1803
01:20:47,427 --> 01:20:51,587
Speaker 3: is well on track. We hope anyway to qualify automatically.

1804
01:20:51,867 --> 01:20:54,027
Speaker 3: We'll wait and see and we'll keep our eyes peeled

1805
01:20:54,027 --> 01:20:56,867
Speaker 3: for you on the Track and Field Champs. This afternoon

1806
01:20:57,147 --> 01:20:58,667
Speaker 3: eight to two News Talk seb.

1807
01:21:00,987 --> 01:21:03,667
Speaker 1: Flave from Shiit twenty two and Wellington ahead of the

1808
01:21:03,707 --> 01:21:07,067
Speaker 1: All Blacks v. South Africa. We can store with Jason

1809
01:21:07,147 --> 01:21:11,067
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home

1810
01:21:11,107 --> 01:21:14,027
Speaker 1: builder on your home of sports used Talk.

1811
01:21:13,907 --> 01:21:16,147
Speaker 4: Senvy just gone five to two.

1812
01:21:16,307 --> 01:21:18,507
Speaker 3: Theresa says on text Pine he don't forget sale GP

1813
01:21:19,067 --> 01:21:22,987
Speaker 3: second day overnight as well, where handily sitting in second

1814
01:21:23,547 --> 01:21:26,227
Speaker 3: after the first day's racing. Must says, don't forget the

1815
01:21:26,227 --> 01:21:29,507
Speaker 3: black ferns. I haven't forgotten the black ferns. Must absolutely not.

1816
01:21:29,627 --> 01:21:33,027
Speaker 3: Stacy Waka is our guest after two o'clock ahead of

1817
01:21:33,067 --> 01:21:36,867
Speaker 3: their quarterfinal against South Africa tonight just on the sale GP.

1818
01:21:37,707 --> 01:21:40,067
Speaker 3: New Zealand ended the day in second place on the

1819
01:21:40,147 --> 01:21:44,227
Speaker 3: leader board. This is in France. Four fleet races fifth, first,

1820
01:21:44,547 --> 01:21:48,907
Speaker 3: third and fifth, one point behind opening day leaders Great Britain.

1821
01:21:49,427 --> 01:21:52,987
Speaker 3: So we will watch with interest how they go. I mean, basically,

1822
01:21:53,067 --> 01:21:55,627
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that where If you he didn't want

1823
01:21:55,627 --> 01:21:58,387
Speaker 3: to sleep, you wouldn't have to. If you are a

1824
01:21:58,427 --> 01:22:01,627
Speaker 3: sports fan, you could basically go from now right through

1825
01:22:01,667 --> 01:22:04,507
Speaker 3: the nights. I'm looking very much forward to seeing how

1826
01:22:05,027 --> 01:22:08,627
Speaker 3: Chris Wood and Nottingham forestco against Arsenal tonight. That comes

1827
01:22:08,707 --> 01:22:11,667
Speaker 3: underwight eleven thirty New Zealand time, so it'll be another

1828
01:22:11,707 --> 01:22:13,707
Speaker 3: case of double screening one and we'll have that. What

1829
01:22:13,867 --> 01:22:16,987
Speaker 3: have the Black Ferns against South Africa at midnight? Earlier

1830
01:22:17,027 --> 01:22:19,907
Speaker 3: on in the evening of course six o'clock Warriors the

1831
01:22:20,147 --> 01:22:25,067
Speaker 3: Panthers underway at six and then all Blacks against South

1832
01:22:25,067 --> 01:22:28,467
Speaker 3: Africa from seven. Speaking of the Warriors, how they're shaping

1833
01:22:28,547 --> 01:22:31,747
Speaker 3: up ahead of tonight. Assistant coach Rich Agar is with

1834
01:22:31,867 --> 01:22:34,427
Speaker 3: us straight after two o'clock and Warriors fans keen to

1835
01:22:34,467 --> 01:22:37,387
Speaker 3: read your pulse as well. Can you beat the Panthers.

1836
01:22:37,427 --> 01:22:44,427
Speaker 1: Tonight they say you can't beat it on a good day,

1837
01:22:45,387 --> 01:22:48,307
Speaker 1: but a storm is brewing in the capitol. The spring

1838
01:22:48,347 --> 01:22:52,867
Speaker 1: Dog fans have arrived in force, loud, proud and draped

1839
01:22:52,867 --> 01:22:57,147
Speaker 1: in green and gold. But this is all Black's territory,

1840
01:22:57,267 --> 01:23:01,827
Speaker 1: and tonight the black wave will rise. Two rugby superpowers.

1841
01:23:02,107 --> 01:23:06,347
Speaker 1: One is stary rivalry. Before we had to skuys Daddy

1842
01:23:06,547 --> 01:23:09,307
Speaker 1: and braced for All Blacks y South Africa. We're live

1843
01:23:09,387 --> 01:23:12,827
Speaker 1: on Wellington's Quaterfront where the passion is flowing at shar

1844
01:23:12,907 --> 01:23:17,107
Speaker 1: twenty two, unpacking the analysis, the emotion and the build

1845
01:23:17,187 --> 01:23:21,947
Speaker 1: up its weekend sports with Jason Pine on your home

1846
01:23:21,987 --> 01:23:23,867
Speaker 1: of Sport News Talks ENV.

1847
01:23:25,107 --> 01:23:27,507
Speaker 4: Two o seven. Welcome into the show, Welcome back to

1848
01:23:27,507 --> 01:23:27,787
Speaker 4: the show.

1849
01:23:27,787 --> 01:23:29,747
Speaker 3: We've been here. It's midday. Another hour of this and

1850
01:23:29,787 --> 01:23:33,347
Speaker 3: then we'll hand over to Tim Beverett's for the weekend collective.

1851
01:23:33,427 --> 01:23:34,387
Speaker 4: We're back at.

1852
01:23:34,267 --> 01:23:39,107
Speaker 3: Six with build up to a five past seven kickoff,

1853
01:23:39,387 --> 01:23:42,747
Speaker 3: full match commentary with Elliott Smith and Ross Bond and

1854
01:23:42,787 --> 01:23:47,267
Speaker 3: then postmatch talk back through until ten. Looking forward very

1855
01:23:47,347 --> 01:23:49,827
Speaker 3: much to that. We're going to pivot away this hour

1856
01:23:49,867 --> 01:23:52,067
Speaker 3: from the rugby bit. Happy to take your calls on

1857
01:23:52,107 --> 01:23:56,347
Speaker 3: anything Royce says, don't forget the Warriors. Heaven't forgotten the Warriors. Royce.

1858
01:23:56,747 --> 01:23:59,307
Speaker 3: Rich Agar, assistant coach, standing by the chat to us

1859
01:23:59,347 --> 01:24:02,147
Speaker 3: as we speak. Catherine says, piney, don't forget the golf.

1860
01:24:02,587 --> 01:24:06,067
Speaker 3: We've got three playing at Wentworth. Hadn't forgotten the golf.

1861
01:24:06,467 --> 01:24:10,587
Speaker 3: Goalfither Catherine, And yes, I was keeping eyes on Kazuma Kabori,

1862
01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:15,067
Speaker 3: Daniel Hillier and Ryan Fox, all of who have made

1863
01:24:15,067 --> 01:24:15,387
Speaker 3: the cut.

1864
01:24:16,547 --> 01:24:18,067
Speaker 4: Kazuma Kabori is in a tie.

1865
01:24:17,987 --> 01:24:21,547
Speaker 3: For sixteenth at six under the cards, six shots off

1866
01:24:21,587 --> 01:24:24,587
Speaker 3: the lead, so he will definitely make the cut. He

1867
01:24:24,707 --> 01:24:27,187
Speaker 3: squeezed in, in fact, more than squeezed and he bolted.

1868
01:24:27,227 --> 01:24:30,187
Speaker 3: And Daniel Hillier should an even pass second round four

1869
01:24:30,267 --> 01:24:32,987
Speaker 3: under for the tournament after a four under opening round.

1870
01:24:33,427 --> 01:24:35,787
Speaker 3: He is in a tie for thirty fifth, and Ryan Fox,

1871
01:24:35,827 --> 01:24:39,667
Speaker 3: who won this tournament last year, has snuck in the

1872
01:24:39,747 --> 01:24:43,347
Speaker 3: cut is two under. Ryan Fox is at two under

1873
01:24:43,787 --> 01:24:46,867
Speaker 3: after a three under round today to be two under

1874
01:24:46,867 --> 01:24:50,307
Speaker 3: for the tournament. So all three Kiwis will play the weekend.

1875
01:24:50,387 --> 01:24:52,267
Speaker 3: So thank you for your reminders. That's a good thing

1876
01:24:52,307 --> 01:24:54,627
Speaker 3: about the show. If you do look like you're going

1877
01:24:54,667 --> 01:24:58,387
Speaker 3: to forget something, then somebody will remind you which I love?

1878
01:24:58,827 --> 01:25:00,707
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number

1879
01:25:00,947 --> 01:25:03,747
Speaker 3: nine nine two on text, rich Agar is I say

1880
01:25:03,747 --> 01:25:07,107
Speaker 3: standing bye, Stacy Waka out of the Black Ferns as

1881
01:25:07,147 --> 01:25:11,347
Speaker 3: well their quarter final tonight against Austria against South Africa.

1882
01:25:11,547 --> 01:25:13,267
Speaker 4: Just after midnight New Zealand time.

1883
01:25:13,307 --> 01:25:15,947
Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing how they go after an unbeaten

1884
01:25:16,027 --> 01:25:19,307
Speaker 3: run through Paul play. But as we always do at

1885
01:25:19,307 --> 01:25:22,107
Speaker 3: around about this time, which is nine past two on

1886
01:25:22,187 --> 01:25:25,067
Speaker 3: weekend sport, we like to bring you up to date

1887
01:25:25,147 --> 01:25:27,627
Speaker 3: with some of the other things you may well have missed.

1888
01:25:28,587 --> 01:25:31,627
Speaker 3: Let's start with the NFL. The Green Bay Packers have

1889
01:25:31,707 --> 01:25:35,267
Speaker 3: improved to two wins from two, an impressive victory over

1890
01:25:35,307 --> 01:25:37,827
Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders twenty seven eighteen.

1891
01:25:40,507 --> 01:25:45,787
Speaker 30: From the eighth to the outside night often touchdown tuber

1892
01:25:46,267 --> 01:25:52,227
Speaker 30: Cram Slamba leap and it's a two posssion game again.

1893
01:25:53,467 --> 01:25:58,787
Speaker 3: Two cyclings Love Welter and Belgian sprinting star Jasper Phillipson

1894
01:25:58,827 --> 01:26:03,067
Speaker 3: has added another win to his already very impressive resume.

1895
01:26:03,547 --> 01:26:06,827
Speaker 31: It's a really hard finish Phillipson. Now start to go

1896
01:26:07,227 --> 01:26:09,507
Speaker 31: yaster Phillipson straight down.

1897
01:26:09,267 --> 01:26:10,347
Speaker 3: The barrier line.

1898
01:26:10,467 --> 01:26:14,747
Speaker 31: Pedison alongside him, but it's gonna be yaster. Phillipson three

1899
01:26:14,787 --> 01:26:17,987
Speaker 31: wins in this year as well to fifty six win

1900
01:26:18,067 --> 01:26:18,747
Speaker 31: of his career.

1901
01:26:19,347 --> 01:26:22,107
Speaker 3: Dane Jonas Binger Guard stays in the red jersey with

1902
01:26:22,227 --> 01:26:24,947
Speaker 3: only two stages to go close to the home. In

1903
01:26:24,987 --> 01:26:29,227
Speaker 3: the NPC. North Harbor's misery continues, falling by just a

1904
01:26:29,347 --> 01:26:31,827
Speaker 3: solitary points to wake uttle last.

1905
01:26:31,707 --> 01:26:35,507
Speaker 20: Night, tolakee, lolakee, Oh beautiful lovel rather the back here

1906
01:26:35,547 --> 01:26:37,187
Speaker 20: we go in the left dead corner.

1907
01:26:37,387 --> 01:26:39,147
Speaker 3: Robertson can he get the ball down?

1908
01:26:39,627 --> 01:26:42,467
Speaker 24: He's got the ball down and Waika to score a

1909
01:26:42,627 --> 01:26:43,507
Speaker 24: try with the.

1910
01:26:43,547 --> 01:26:47,027
Speaker 20: Left hand sign It had been building and building, d Storm,

1911
01:26:47,267 --> 01:26:48,547
Speaker 20: whyk I go back in front?

1912
01:26:48,547 --> 01:26:49,787
Speaker 3: Twenty nine to twenty eight.

1913
01:26:50,307 --> 01:26:53,187
Speaker 4: That's O and seven for North Harbor this season.

1914
01:26:54,347 --> 01:26:57,707
Speaker 3: Weekend one of the NRL Finals, The Melvin Storm have

1915
01:26:57,827 --> 01:27:00,627
Speaker 3: booked themselves in for a preliminary final.

1916
01:27:00,947 --> 01:27:02,747
Speaker 12: Chick out passes up to the top.

1917
01:27:02,987 --> 01:27:03,467
Speaker 10: It is.

1918
01:27:05,267 --> 01:27:09,507
Speaker 25: Breaks away now.

1919
01:27:08,587 --> 01:27:14,987
Speaker 20: Big into the prelo po no margret case dat demanders.

1920
01:27:14,427 --> 01:27:15,787
Speaker 2: To scoffing over.

1921
01:27:17,507 --> 01:27:21,307
Speaker 22: Canada by couldn't find the candle, set down to it.

1922
01:27:21,387 --> 01:27:25,107
Speaker 14: It is sent and the met depends us.

1923
01:27:25,667 --> 01:27:28,707
Speaker 3: They have a storm twenty six nineteen winners in Melbourne,

1924
01:27:29,427 --> 01:27:32,307
Speaker 3: and the Black Foils picked up a winning rights too.

1925
01:27:32,587 --> 01:27:36,307
Speaker 4: On a chaotic day at sound GP sent prope.

1926
01:27:36,747 --> 01:27:38,027
Speaker 9: Oh he's got a candy wrapper.

1927
01:27:38,107 --> 01:27:39,107
Speaker 18: He's just wrapper him.

1928
01:27:39,147 --> 01:27:41,347
Speaker 3: All is slower, but he has the right of way.

1929
01:27:41,467 --> 01:27:43,627
Speaker 3: North Star are gonna have to try and slingshot down

1930
01:27:43,707 --> 01:27:45,867
Speaker 3: the inside here use their speed.

1931
01:27:45,987 --> 01:27:47,867
Speaker 2: But I imagine Berlin, I'll have a trick in the

1932
01:27:47,947 --> 01:27:48,667
Speaker 2: back for that one.

1933
01:27:48,947 --> 01:27:52,347
Speaker 3: Gonna write your luck sometimes, but the Blackfoils have absolutely

1934
01:27:52,427 --> 01:27:56,387
Speaker 3: nailed that pistill. Pete Berling picks the right time to

1935
01:27:56,467 --> 01:27:59,147
Speaker 3: get a little gift from Mother Nature and the Emirates

1936
01:27:59,187 --> 01:28:00,747
Speaker 3: whinny moment in Raceno two.

1937
01:28:00,667 --> 01:28:03,267
Speaker 30: Wildle the way of the Black Foils just ahead of

1938
01:28:03,347 --> 01:28:04,027
Speaker 30: North Stark.

1939
01:28:03,867 --> 01:28:08,507
Speaker 1: Canada, analyzing everything from every angle in the s Morning

1940
01:28:08,587 --> 01:28:11,787
Speaker 1: World Weekend Sport with Jason Vye, The Call.

1941
01:28:13,307 --> 01:28:17,507
Speaker 3: News Talks, MB News Talks EB and Weekend Sport Bang

1942
01:28:17,587 --> 01:28:19,747
Speaker 3: on twelve past two. Just before we get rich Ager

1943
01:28:19,827 --> 01:28:22,827
Speaker 3: on the line, they're underway at the toadong At Domain

1944
01:28:23,187 --> 01:28:27,827
Speaker 3: in NPC action Battle of the Bay's Bay of Plenty

1945
01:28:27,947 --> 01:28:30,507
Speaker 3: hosting Hawks Bay and it's Hawks Bay who have started

1946
01:28:30,587 --> 01:28:33,827
Speaker 3: well for our Fuckatava with a try after just four minutes,

1947
01:28:34,267 --> 01:28:38,787
Speaker 3: converted by Lincoln mcclutchy and so Hawks Bay the Magpies

1948
01:28:38,907 --> 01:28:41,947
Speaker 3: out to a seven zerl lead now with seven minutes

1949
01:28:41,987 --> 01:28:45,347
Speaker 3: gone in Todonga against the Bay of Plenty Steamers.

1950
01:28:46,187 --> 01:28:48,187
Speaker 4: Finals time in the NRL.

1951
01:28:48,347 --> 01:28:50,947
Speaker 3: As we've just heard the Melbourne Storm through to a

1952
01:28:51,107 --> 01:28:54,067
Speaker 3: preliminary final with a win over the Cannery Bulldogs last night.

1953
01:28:54,387 --> 01:28:59,187
Speaker 3: The two elimination finals are tonight, starting of course six

1954
01:28:59,227 --> 01:29:03,627
Speaker 3: o'clock Go Media Stadium as the Warriors take on the

1955
01:29:03,747 --> 01:29:07,547
Speaker 3: Panthers water game. In prospect, we're very much looking forward

1956
01:29:07,587 --> 01:29:11,227
Speaker 3: to Warriors assistant coach rich A Garas with us reach.

1957
01:29:11,307 --> 01:29:14,707
Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the time on match day. How's the

1958
01:29:14,787 --> 01:29:17,907
Speaker 3: week been? Have you intentionally tried to keep the week

1959
01:29:18,067 --> 01:29:20,947
Speaker 3: the same as a regular season week or is that

1960
01:29:21,107 --> 01:29:23,707
Speaker 3: really not possible with a knockout game at the end

1961
01:29:23,747 --> 01:29:23,867
Speaker 3: of it.

1962
01:29:24,707 --> 01:29:27,587
Speaker 17: Yeah, good question, Jason, and thanks for having me on mate. Look,

1963
01:29:27,667 --> 01:29:31,827
Speaker 17: I think there's no doubt we've we've kept the same

1964
01:29:31,947 --> 01:29:35,227
Speaker 17: structure of the week, if you like, but it certainly

1965
01:29:35,347 --> 01:29:40,307
Speaker 17: feels different energy and a different intensity about it. Obviously

1966
01:29:40,347 --> 01:29:44,027
Speaker 17: we're in do our day football. We've had a couple

1967
01:29:44,067 --> 01:29:48,467
Speaker 17: of guys coming back into training. We got all reviewed

1968
01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:50,387
Speaker 17: done pretty much while we were in Manly. We worked

1969
01:29:50,387 --> 01:29:52,547
Speaker 17: through the night so we could sort of put that

1970
01:29:52,667 --> 01:29:54,227
Speaker 17: game to bed and as soon as we got on

1971
01:29:54,267 --> 01:29:57,227
Speaker 17: the bus out of there, you know, all the focus

1972
01:29:57,347 --> 01:30:01,387
Speaker 17: for us has been about this week and yeah, we've

1973
01:30:01,427 --> 01:30:02,787
Speaker 17: looked pretty dialed in in training.

1974
01:30:03,227 --> 01:30:05,987
Speaker 3: There are guys in your team who have played finals football,

1975
01:30:06,107 --> 01:30:08,227
Speaker 3: Sam quite a bit, none more so recently than, of

1976
01:30:08,267 --> 01:30:10,867
Speaker 3: course James Fisher Hara who won the comp the last

1977
01:30:10,907 --> 01:30:14,627
Speaker 3: four years with Penroth. How big he has influence been

1978
01:30:15,027 --> 01:30:18,387
Speaker 3: in your team as you prepare this week, probably.

1979
01:30:18,107 --> 01:30:20,347
Speaker 17: Same as it has been all year. You know, I

1980
01:30:20,427 --> 01:30:25,307
Speaker 17: think it's been widely I guess documented and said in

1981
01:30:25,387 --> 01:30:28,827
Speaker 17: interviews about the type of leader that fishes. You know,

1982
01:30:29,307 --> 01:30:33,067
Speaker 17: he doesn't get phased. He leads by his actions. I

1983
01:30:33,147 --> 01:30:35,387
Speaker 17: think there's a great deal of comfort for the guys

1984
01:30:35,427 --> 01:30:38,467
Speaker 17: around him that haven't played finals football to look around

1985
01:30:39,027 --> 01:30:42,547
Speaker 17: and see him there and know that you know he's

1986
01:30:42,587 --> 01:30:45,147
Speaker 17: been there, done it, won the T shirt and said

1987
01:30:45,227 --> 01:30:51,187
Speaker 17: nothing just nothing phases James, and well he's been. He's

1988
01:30:51,187 --> 01:30:54,547
Speaker 17: been an outstanding leader for us this year and it's

1989
01:30:55,427 --> 01:30:57,547
Speaker 17: you know, we're in a position where we are now

1990
01:30:57,627 --> 01:31:00,107
Speaker 17: that you know, he takes a lot of credit for

1991
01:31:00,307 --> 01:31:04,347
Speaker 17: I guess the connection in the team. It's quite ironic.

1992
01:31:04,427 --> 01:31:07,347
Speaker 17: I guess that we're coming up again again Penrith and

1993
01:31:07,867 --> 01:31:10,747
Speaker 17: you know he's almost got the chance and the opportunity,

1994
01:31:10,867 --> 01:31:13,307
Speaker 17: like we all have, hopefully to try and end that dynasty.

1995
01:31:13,827 --> 01:31:15,387
Speaker 3: So you come into the finals off the back of

1996
01:31:15,547 --> 01:31:19,147
Speaker 3: consecutive losses, narrow losses, but losses none the less. How

1997
01:31:19,187 --> 01:31:22,187
Speaker 3: do you make up for any lack of momentum as

1998
01:31:22,267 --> 01:31:23,667
Speaker 3: you come into a must win match.

1999
01:31:24,827 --> 01:31:27,347
Speaker 17: Probably that it's just a new competition that we're in

2000
01:31:27,427 --> 01:31:31,667
Speaker 17: due or die football. I certainly think home advantage and

2001
01:31:32,467 --> 01:31:34,347
Speaker 17: our fans can play a big part of that. I

2002
01:31:34,387 --> 01:31:36,067
Speaker 17: think it's a game that you know, we've got to

2003
01:31:36,107 --> 01:31:37,787
Speaker 17: make sure that we start well and bring the crowd

2004
01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:42,507
Speaker 17: into it. But yeah, I just think it's a new competition.

2005
01:31:42,627 --> 01:31:45,387
Speaker 17: I think regardless of whether we would we would have

2006
01:31:45,467 --> 01:31:47,587
Speaker 17: won all offs at the weekend, it wouldn't really have

2007
01:31:47,707 --> 01:31:51,627
Speaker 17: affected our league position. Of course we would have liked

2008
01:31:51,707 --> 01:31:53,907
Speaker 17: to win, but more importantly, I think we would have

2009
01:31:53,987 --> 01:31:56,467
Speaker 17: liked to have come in on a little bit better performance.

2010
01:31:56,507 --> 01:31:58,347
Speaker 17: But we said, I think, you know, we've got a

2011
01:31:58,347 --> 01:32:00,027
Speaker 17: shot in the arm with a couple of guys coming

2012
01:32:00,107 --> 01:32:03,507
Speaker 17: back into the team, important players in important positions.

2013
01:32:03,747 --> 01:32:05,707
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd like to ask about one of those

2014
01:32:05,787 --> 01:32:08,227
Speaker 3: jacks and four calls back from his three game suspension.

2015
01:32:09,147 --> 01:32:10,267
Speaker 4: How big a boast to say to you?

2016
01:32:11,027 --> 01:32:13,587
Speaker 17: Well, big, I think, I think you know, when you're

2017
01:32:13,627 --> 01:32:16,787
Speaker 17: talking about experience, and jack O can sort of go

2018
01:32:16,987 --> 01:32:19,027
Speaker 17: a little bit unherlded. I think he's one of them

2019
01:32:19,027 --> 01:32:22,867
Speaker 17: players that people will notice him when he makes mistakes,

2020
01:32:22,907 --> 01:32:25,427
Speaker 17: but people won't notice him when he's doing sixteen sixty

2021
01:32:25,507 --> 01:32:28,747
Speaker 17: five minutes straight as a front roller and you know,

2022
01:32:28,907 --> 01:32:30,827
Speaker 17: churning the work right out that he does. But it's

2023
01:32:30,907 --> 01:32:34,867
Speaker 17: just that experience too, I think when when obviously miss

2024
01:32:34,907 --> 01:32:37,947
Speaker 17: Barnett got injured, to lose fish like we have a

2025
01:32:38,027 --> 01:32:42,547
Speaker 17: couple of times, and then to lose Jackson, it's tremendous

2026
01:32:42,587 --> 01:32:44,867
Speaker 17: experience for our young guys. But at the same time,

2027
01:32:46,027 --> 01:32:47,867
Speaker 17: you know, you look at our packs sometimes and it

2028
01:32:47,987 --> 01:32:51,507
Speaker 17: does lack you know, it certainly does lack experience, tetl

2029
01:32:51,587 --> 01:32:55,027
Speaker 17: standards in very good stead moving forward down the track.

2030
01:32:55,947 --> 01:32:59,467
Speaker 17: You know, all our young guys have had a fantastic

2031
01:32:59,587 --> 01:33:02,987
Speaker 17: learning curve this year, you know, but at the end

2032
01:33:03,027 --> 01:33:06,347
Speaker 17: of a long season in the playoffs like this, experience,

2033
01:33:06,827 --> 01:33:09,147
Speaker 17: you know, experience does does really count for a lot.

2034
01:33:09,227 --> 01:33:12,667
Speaker 17: So getting jack O back apart from his experience, but

2035
01:33:12,827 --> 01:33:16,507
Speaker 17: in particular you know, the game time and the minutes

2036
01:33:16,547 --> 01:33:19,707
Speaker 17: that he can play in the middle, you know, he's

2037
01:33:19,747 --> 01:33:20,587
Speaker 17: a big plus for us.

2038
01:33:21,147 --> 01:33:24,427
Speaker 3: We're also guarded to see rock o'bierry injured again. Geez

2039
01:33:24,427 --> 01:33:27,467
Speaker 3: had terrible luck this season, hasn't he? After just two

2040
01:33:27,547 --> 01:33:29,667
Speaker 3: or three games back, k Caple has been named in

2041
01:33:29,707 --> 01:33:32,027
Speaker 3: the centers. Why have you gone that way instead of

2042
01:33:32,067 --> 01:33:34,507
Speaker 3: perhaps Chance Nichol Klukster who had a couple of games

2043
01:33:34,587 --> 01:33:35,307
Speaker 3: there for you as well.

2044
01:33:36,027 --> 01:33:38,107
Speaker 17: Look, we think we've had some good performances with KP

2045
01:33:38,267 --> 01:33:42,427
Speaker 17: in the center this year, and again, experience is one

2046
01:33:42,627 --> 01:33:47,107
Speaker 17: that in a game like this, I think moving Charms

2047
01:33:47,547 --> 01:33:50,267
Speaker 17: given the fact with Tayane is always you know, he's

2048
01:33:50,307 --> 01:33:54,507
Speaker 17: always a really good option for us. But we just

2049
01:33:54,747 --> 01:33:57,427
Speaker 17: like the way that Charms organizes his defensive line and

2050
01:33:59,107 --> 01:34:02,827
Speaker 17: his capabilities and making some strong tackles on the you know,

2051
01:34:02,987 --> 01:34:07,387
Speaker 17: certainly in tri line and try saving positions. He makes

2052
01:34:07,387 --> 01:34:08,987
Speaker 17: a lot of tackles in the line, probably more than

2053
01:34:08,987 --> 01:34:11,027
Speaker 17: any of the other fallback in the competition really and

2054
01:34:11,227 --> 01:34:13,667
Speaker 17: is a really big body in that position and in

2055
01:34:13,787 --> 01:34:17,907
Speaker 17: a game that you know, we probably feel, you know,

2056
01:34:17,987 --> 01:34:20,827
Speaker 17: one of Penrish spense is there, I guess arm wrestle

2057
01:34:20,907 --> 01:34:22,947
Speaker 17: ability and their ability to back you up down your

2058
01:34:22,947 --> 01:34:25,227
Speaker 17: own ends. You know, chances is a guy that is

2059
01:34:25,307 --> 01:34:27,867
Speaker 17: generally good for you know, a couple of hundred meters

2060
01:34:27,907 --> 01:34:30,147
Speaker 17: a game and carries really strongly on the back end

2061
01:34:30,187 --> 01:34:33,027
Speaker 17: of our set. So well, Cape He's played you know,

2062
01:34:33,227 --> 01:34:37,027
Speaker 17: big games and high level games in that position. We

2063
01:34:37,187 --> 01:34:40,627
Speaker 17: know you'll he'll lead our kick Chase you know, is

2064
01:34:40,707 --> 01:34:45,867
Speaker 17: really comfortable having played there you know, many times before

2065
01:34:45,947 --> 01:34:47,867
Speaker 17: and in some good wins for us this year. So yeah,

2066
01:34:47,947 --> 01:34:49,307
Speaker 17: that's the way that we've gone.

2067
01:34:49,667 --> 01:34:52,387
Speaker 3: You mentioned the word unheralded before when actually had a

2068
01:34:52,427 --> 01:34:54,787
Speaker 3: couple of guys who have played every game for you

2069
01:34:54,867 --> 01:34:57,987
Speaker 3: this season. That's Marada, Neil Cordion, the second row in

2070
01:34:58,067 --> 01:35:01,827
Speaker 3: Aaron Clark at Lock. They don't get a lot of headlines, Rich,

2071
01:35:02,147 --> 01:35:04,627
Speaker 3: but how important are those two guys in terms of

2072
01:35:04,747 --> 01:35:06,187
Speaker 3: the consistency they've brought to.

2073
01:35:06,147 --> 01:35:06,747
Speaker 12: You this year?

2074
01:35:07,267 --> 01:35:09,387
Speaker 17: Well, look, I think I start with Erin really, I

2075
01:35:09,467 --> 01:35:11,827
Speaker 17: think Erin's been a super signing for us, he's a

2076
01:35:11,907 --> 01:35:14,707
Speaker 17: player that when when we actually came up again, and

2077
01:35:14,787 --> 01:35:17,267
Speaker 17: obviously it's been through the club and its systems before,

2078
01:35:18,027 --> 01:35:21,547
Speaker 17: I think everybody knew he was terrific for Fella Eron

2079
01:35:21,747 --> 01:35:24,747
Speaker 17: and you know, by his own admission, it didn't work

2080
01:35:24,747 --> 01:35:27,627
Speaker 17: out for him first time around. He'd probably had to

2081
01:35:28,187 --> 01:35:30,827
Speaker 17: take a few steps backward before he got the opportunity

2082
01:35:30,947 --> 01:35:34,827
Speaker 17: to you know, become a you know, a genuine first grader.

2083
01:35:35,267 --> 01:35:37,387
Speaker 17: And he did that via you know, via a couple

2084
01:35:37,427 --> 01:35:40,267
Speaker 17: of clubs really, but I think it's when they'd come

2085
01:35:40,347 --> 01:35:43,027
Speaker 17: up against them again Gold Coast, we felt, you know,

2086
01:35:43,107 --> 01:35:45,667
Speaker 17: he always a player that played with a lot of punch.

2087
01:35:45,747 --> 01:35:48,187
Speaker 17: He could read a book really well on on hitting

2088
01:35:48,227 --> 01:35:51,467
Speaker 17: the advantage line and knowing what sort of lines to

2089
01:35:51,587 --> 01:35:55,267
Speaker 17: run a powerful little thing, and being a former half back,

2090
01:35:56,147 --> 01:35:57,867
Speaker 17: you know, a guy that got good hands as well.

2091
01:35:58,227 --> 01:36:01,507
Speaker 17: I think for us, you know, I think people forget this.

2092
01:36:01,707 --> 01:36:04,307
Speaker 17: We lost Saul Harrison and Dylan Locker right at the

2093
01:36:04,387 --> 01:36:07,387
Speaker 17: start of the year. So the role that we envisaged

2094
01:36:07,467 --> 01:36:11,507
Speaker 17: for errand uh, you know, expanded and expanded very quickly.

2095
01:36:12,227 --> 01:36:14,907
Speaker 17: But I think his his home in New zial and

2096
01:36:15,027 --> 01:36:17,267
Speaker 17: because his family around him is very settled. He's really

2097
01:36:17,387 --> 01:36:19,667
Speaker 17: enjoyed his the club and his role at the club.

2098
01:36:20,427 --> 01:36:22,547
Speaker 17: I think he's grown in confidence. I still think there's

2099
01:36:22,667 --> 01:36:26,587
Speaker 17: a ceiling on his improvement, but yeah, he's been he's

2100
01:36:26,627 --> 01:36:31,147
Speaker 17: been a terrific guy. We've probably overplayed him at times.

2101
01:36:31,187 --> 01:36:34,827
Speaker 17: You know, he played eighty minutes last week and that's

2102
01:36:34,987 --> 01:36:39,507
Speaker 17: just been cost the situation as has almost demanded it,

2103
01:36:39,587 --> 01:36:42,627
Speaker 17: and we've we've had very little, very little alternatives to

2104
01:36:43,107 --> 01:36:45,387
Speaker 17: spell him like we would at some point. But yeah,

2105
01:36:45,427 --> 01:36:49,627
Speaker 17: I think erins Erin's not stop growing yet and there's

2106
01:36:49,627 --> 01:36:50,867
Speaker 17: going to be more of him to come in as

2107
01:36:50,947 --> 01:36:56,027
Speaker 17: worries shirt. Look, Maratha, I think there's been times this

2108
01:36:56,187 --> 01:36:59,307
Speaker 17: year where we just need to get the ball in

2109
01:36:59,387 --> 01:37:02,467
Speaker 17: Maratha's hands a little bit more. You know, he's he's

2110
01:37:02,467 --> 01:37:04,787
Speaker 17: an absolute Sledgejammo when you give him an early ball,

2111
01:37:04,827 --> 01:37:09,547
Speaker 17: and in situations where you know you need to create

2112
01:37:09,667 --> 01:37:12,227
Speaker 17: more and some just finding Marata down the short side

2113
01:37:12,347 --> 01:37:14,547
Speaker 17: or giving him an early ball and letting him try

2114
01:37:14,627 --> 01:37:17,867
Speaker 17: and sort of run over the opposing halfback. It's proven

2115
01:37:18,027 --> 01:37:21,827
Speaker 17: time and time again. You know, he's very dangerous close

2116
01:37:21,867 --> 01:37:25,507
Speaker 17: to the opposition's line. You know, he can run really

2117
01:37:25,547 --> 01:37:28,347
Speaker 17: strong inside shoulder lines and he's really good at fading

2118
01:37:28,387 --> 01:37:31,547
Speaker 17: and changing his line late as well. And Marat as

2119
01:37:31,587 --> 01:37:36,707
Speaker 17: a very low maintenance guy. Know, fuss about him. Just

2120
01:37:36,827 --> 01:37:38,347
Speaker 17: ask him to do something and I will do it.

2121
01:37:38,547 --> 01:37:41,267
Speaker 17: And you know, I think you forget when Marata is

2122
01:37:41,307 --> 01:37:43,307
Speaker 17: a vastly experienced player. Now you know, he's played in

2123
01:37:43,347 --> 01:37:47,267
Speaker 17: the Grand Pine and he's played Test football and he's

2124
01:37:47,347 --> 01:37:52,027
Speaker 17: becoming a very senior leading voice within our you know,

2125
01:37:52,107 --> 01:37:54,347
Speaker 17: within our group as well. He's not one of the

2126
01:37:54,427 --> 01:37:57,747
Speaker 17: guys that is your classic. When he speaks, you best

2127
01:37:57,787 --> 01:38:02,467
Speaker 17: listen to him. And yeah, we're we're a claimed that

2128
01:38:02,587 --> 01:38:04,627
Speaker 17: always looks better the more reason the game.

2129
01:38:05,347 --> 01:38:06,707
Speaker 3: Well, Rich, what are you going to have to do

2130
01:38:06,827 --> 01:38:09,547
Speaker 3: particularly well tonight to beat the Panthers?

2131
01:38:10,827 --> 01:38:13,347
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a really good question. I think you know,

2132
01:38:13,467 --> 01:38:16,027
Speaker 17: watching the Panthers play that they're the masters of the

2133
01:38:16,987 --> 01:38:19,827
Speaker 17: long game, if you like, and playing the armrestle football,

2134
01:38:20,227 --> 01:38:23,027
Speaker 17: and I think that's an area that you know, we're

2135
01:38:23,067 --> 01:38:26,827
Speaker 17: going to have to be really really good in. I

2136
01:38:27,027 --> 01:38:30,907
Speaker 17: feel I field, there's enough that we've seen throughout the

2137
01:38:30,987 --> 01:38:34,587
Speaker 17: year to suggest there's some little chinks in there, if

2138
01:38:34,667 --> 01:38:38,627
Speaker 17: you like. But the important thing for us is that

2139
01:38:38,707 --> 01:38:40,467
Speaker 17: we trying to earn them. You know, we've we've got

2140
01:38:40,507 --> 01:38:43,467
Speaker 17: to earn the right, I guess, to have a crack

2141
01:38:43,547 --> 01:38:46,267
Speaker 17: in the right areas and that's where you know, that's

2142
01:38:46,307 --> 01:38:48,907
Speaker 17: where the Planters really make work for it. I think

2143
01:38:48,987 --> 01:38:51,947
Speaker 17: when it comes to big game football, they've probably got

2144
01:38:51,987 --> 01:38:54,907
Speaker 17: two or three of the best big game players in

2145
01:38:54,987 --> 01:38:58,227
Speaker 17: the competition, obviously Nathan Clear and Isaia, but doing Edwards

2146
01:38:58,227 --> 01:39:01,907
Speaker 17: as a very very good player too. That's proven time

2147
01:39:01,947 --> 01:39:05,787
Speaker 17: and time again on the big stage. You know, he

2148
01:39:05,867 --> 01:39:09,787
Speaker 17: can put magnificent performances. So I think I think that

2149
01:39:09,907 --> 01:39:13,187
Speaker 17: ability to get in those arm wrestles and come out

2150
01:39:13,227 --> 01:39:15,627
Speaker 17: the other side and earn the right. But I also

2151
01:39:15,827 --> 01:39:18,507
Speaker 17: think a big part of it for us, given we

2152
01:39:18,627 --> 01:39:20,787
Speaker 17: know they'll being a good one, is our kicking game,

2153
01:39:20,947 --> 01:39:22,587
Speaker 17: you know, is where we turn the ball over and

2154
01:39:22,667 --> 01:39:24,467
Speaker 17: how we turn the ball over. We know we're gonna

2155
01:39:24,467 --> 01:39:28,147
Speaker 17: have to be relatively mistake free, which is, you know,

2156
01:39:28,267 --> 01:39:29,907
Speaker 17: something we're going to have to improve on the last

2157
01:39:29,907 --> 01:39:30,467
Speaker 17: couple of weeks.

2158
01:39:30,507 --> 01:39:33,147
Speaker 10: But I think I think as we've got to, we've.

2159
01:39:32,987 --> 01:39:37,507
Speaker 17: Got a really clear plan. You know, we've trained well

2160
01:39:37,547 --> 01:39:40,067
Speaker 17: around it this week, going out there and executing it

2161
01:39:40,187 --> 01:39:42,507
Speaker 17: to a you know, to a very very high standard.

2162
01:39:43,707 --> 01:39:46,067
Speaker 17: Is what's gonna you know, what's going to get us

2163
01:39:46,107 --> 01:39:46,467
Speaker 17: this game.

2164
01:39:46,827 --> 01:39:48,707
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your tour up against it on

2165
01:39:48,787 --> 01:39:50,827
Speaker 3: match day, Rich all the beast and I made everybody's

2166
01:39:50,867 --> 01:39:52,187
Speaker 3: behind you great Jason.

2167
01:39:52,227 --> 01:39:53,387
Speaker 17: I really appreciating mate.

2168
01:39:53,707 --> 01:39:55,787
Speaker 3: Now, good on your rich Rich. I got the assistant

2169
01:39:55,827 --> 01:39:59,227
Speaker 3: coach of the Warriors just after six o'clock tonight. They'll

2170
01:39:59,267 --> 01:40:02,107
Speaker 3: be on the way against the Panthers. Knockout football for

2171
01:40:02,187 --> 01:40:04,187
Speaker 3: the Warriors. Look, I think I've said there's a number

2172
01:40:04,227 --> 01:40:07,107
Speaker 3: of times on the show, if you'd offered sixth place

2173
01:40:07,667 --> 01:40:09,707
Speaker 3: to Warriors fans at the start of the season, they

2174
01:40:09,747 --> 01:40:14,147
Speaker 3: would have taken it. After that disastrous start in Vegas,

2175
01:40:14,187 --> 01:40:15,747
Speaker 3: I think they would have bitten your hand off for it.

2176
01:40:15,787 --> 01:40:18,827
Speaker 3: And here we are, sixth spot off the back of

2177
01:40:18,947 --> 01:40:22,947
Speaker 3: thirteenth last season Finals football at GO Media Stadium packed

2178
01:40:22,987 --> 01:40:26,427
Speaker 3: out this evening. I really think we can do it. Well,

2179
01:40:26,667 --> 01:40:29,347
Speaker 3: I mean that's obvious we can do it. I really

2180
01:40:29,427 --> 01:40:32,627
Speaker 3: think we will do it. Yes, they're coming off the

2181
01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:36,427
Speaker 3: back of two losses, decide to aren't even in the

2182
01:40:36,507 --> 01:40:40,987
Speaker 3: top eight for this season. But this Warrior's side, we

2183
01:40:41,187 --> 01:40:44,227
Speaker 3: know what they can do on their night. I just

2184
01:40:44,427 --> 01:40:47,187
Speaker 3: need tonight to be that night. How are you feeling?

2185
01:40:47,227 --> 01:40:49,667
Speaker 3: Warriors fans? Happy to take a couple of calls or

2186
01:40:50,147 --> 01:40:52,787
Speaker 3: your text predictions if you're too nervous to get on

2187
01:40:52,827 --> 01:40:55,427
Speaker 3: the phone, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ninety

2188
01:40:55,467 --> 01:40:58,387
Speaker 3: two ninety two if you would prefer to send us

2189
01:40:58,427 --> 01:41:00,627
Speaker 3: through a text, Just updating you on some live sport.

2190
01:41:00,707 --> 01:41:03,707
Speaker 3: Great news from the World Track and Field Champs in

2191
01:41:03,787 --> 01:41:08,467
Speaker 3: Tokyo where Tom Walsh has qualified automatically for tonight's shot

2192
01:41:08,547 --> 01:41:11,547
Speaker 3: put final. You had to throw twenty one three five.

2193
01:41:11,587 --> 01:41:14,027
Speaker 3: I think it was he threw twenty one seven four

2194
01:41:14,187 --> 01:41:18,467
Speaker 3: Tom Walsh, so he has automatically qualified for the final.

2195
01:41:18,547 --> 01:41:21,067
Speaker 4: The other key we in the field is Nick Palmer.

2196
01:41:22,027 --> 01:41:25,027
Speaker 3: He has thrown twenty point one eight as his best

2197
01:41:25,107 --> 01:41:27,387
Speaker 3: throw so far, so we'll keep eyes on him. But

2198
01:41:27,507 --> 01:41:31,867
Speaker 3: Tom Walsh will definitely be in the final tonight. N

2199
01:41:31,987 --> 01:41:34,347
Speaker 3: PC seven All now in the Battle of the Bays

2200
01:41:34,387 --> 01:41:36,867
Speaker 3: in tod On It seven all Bay of Plenty and

2201
01:41:37,107 --> 01:41:37,667
Speaker 3: Hawk's Bay.

2202
01:41:37,907 --> 01:41:39,827
Speaker 4: And just to quick check on weather conditions before we

2203
01:41:39,867 --> 01:41:40,507
Speaker 4: go to the phones.

2204
01:41:41,147 --> 01:41:44,227
Speaker 3: Meant to be fine this evening in Wellington, norw Westerly

2205
01:41:44,307 --> 01:41:47,267
Speaker 3: strong and exposed places at the moment it's gusting it

2206
01:41:47,347 --> 01:41:50,627
Speaker 3: around twenty eight kilometers an hour. I mean that's not much,

2207
01:41:50,747 --> 01:41:56,027
Speaker 3: is it? Certainly not for Walingtonians, not for Wellingtonians at all. Greg,

2208
01:41:56,147 --> 01:41:57,427
Speaker 3: how are you feeling about tonight?

2209
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Speaker 17: Very nervous?

2210
01:42:02,387 --> 01:42:04,827
Speaker 3: Or the pause says everything? The pause that you took,

2211
01:42:04,907 --> 01:42:06,107
Speaker 3: Greg before you answer the.

2212
01:42:07,947 --> 01:42:11,427
Speaker 9: Very nervous? And I once again had to compare the

2213
01:42:11,507 --> 01:42:14,707
Speaker 9: game last night to what the Warriors have actually been

2214
01:42:15,667 --> 01:42:19,227
Speaker 9: giving us in the last little while. I think both

2215
01:42:19,267 --> 01:42:21,547
Speaker 9: of those teams that played last night with the Bold

2216
01:42:22,187 --> 01:42:25,227
Speaker 9: rolled them easy, but then they probably would have rolled

2217
01:42:25,267 --> 01:42:27,907
Speaker 9: a lot of teams easy as well. But we are

2218
01:42:28,027 --> 01:42:32,507
Speaker 9: in the top eight. It was interesting to listen to

2219
01:42:33,867 --> 01:42:38,827
Speaker 9: mister Agart talking. I could peel in his voice that

2220
01:42:39,067 --> 01:42:43,267
Speaker 9: there was doubt when you were asking a few questions.

2221
01:42:44,147 --> 01:42:47,387
Speaker 9: So that didn't sit too well with me. But I

2222
01:42:47,547 --> 01:42:51,667
Speaker 9: just wanted to talk about Aaron Clark and Game Swisser Harris.

2223
01:42:52,307 --> 01:42:55,707
Speaker 9: Now he he said about games Fecer Harris as being

2224
01:42:57,387 --> 01:43:00,147
Speaker 9: you know, the leader, et cetera. Well, I would say

2225
01:43:00,267 --> 01:43:06,227
Speaker 9: this year that Aaron Clark has probably played better than

2226
01:43:06,467 --> 01:43:10,867
Speaker 9: James Fitzer Harris and also lead better than James Fisher Harris.

2227
01:43:11,427 --> 01:43:14,867
Speaker 9: You know, that's a big call. But where I watched

2228
01:43:14,907 --> 01:43:18,507
Speaker 9: the game and the workload that Aaron Clark does, and

2229
01:43:18,667 --> 01:43:20,467
Speaker 9: I had my doubts at the beginning of a year

2230
01:43:20,467 --> 01:43:26,467
Speaker 9: about Aaron. I think that James Fisher Harris meets the

2231
01:43:26,547 --> 01:43:30,947
Speaker 9: lifts game. There has been, you know, times during the

2232
01:43:31,027 --> 01:43:37,307
Speaker 9: year that I'll just say that he seemed to go missing. Yeah,

2233
01:43:37,907 --> 01:43:40,347
Speaker 9: I've got my fingers and I toes my eyes crossed

2234
01:43:42,387 --> 01:43:48,147
Speaker 9: for tonight because you're not a four time champion if

2235
01:43:48,187 --> 01:43:52,627
Speaker 9: you're not a good team. So the Panthers have been

2236
01:43:52,747 --> 01:43:56,267
Speaker 9: there for four years in a row. We we haven't,

2237
01:43:56,627 --> 01:44:01,947
Speaker 9: so that big game experience is gonna see a lot

2238
01:44:02,067 --> 01:44:05,467
Speaker 9: to get over for us. And I think the experience

2239
01:44:05,547 --> 01:44:07,507
Speaker 9: of the Warriors, I said a couple of weeks back,

2240
01:44:08,867 --> 01:44:11,507
Speaker 9: you know, not this year, but maybe next year.

2241
01:44:12,027 --> 01:44:15,867
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Greg, Hey, look, I don't mistake rich

2242
01:44:15,907 --> 01:44:18,467
Speaker 3: Hagar's uh, you know, you picked up doubt there. I

2243
01:44:18,547 --> 01:44:21,627
Speaker 3: think it's just an understated quality that he has. And

2244
01:44:21,787 --> 01:44:23,467
Speaker 3: I think in the Warriors they never ride the highest

2245
01:44:23,467 --> 01:44:24,907
Speaker 3: too high, of the low is too low. We as

2246
01:44:24,987 --> 01:44:27,747
Speaker 3: fans do, of course, but they never do. Interesting about

2247
01:44:27,747 --> 01:44:29,947
Speaker 3: Aaron Clark too, He's played every game, and I agree

2248
01:44:30,027 --> 01:44:32,187
Speaker 3: he's been terrific. Greg, let's say for another big one

2249
01:44:32,227 --> 01:44:35,947
Speaker 3: from him and from James Fisher Harris tonight. Jamie, are

2250
01:44:35,987 --> 01:44:36,547
Speaker 3: you confident?

2251
01:44:37,907 --> 01:44:43,827
Speaker 32: Oh yeah, nervously confident. I mean I think portunly you'll

2252
01:44:43,867 --> 01:44:47,667
Speaker 32: be at the stadium watching the Orbacks so so, I mean,

2253
01:44:47,707 --> 01:44:51,507
Speaker 32: I'll try like it maybe the first half, but but yeah,

2254
01:44:51,507 --> 01:44:54,467
Speaker 32: I think it's either going to be It can either

2255
01:44:54,547 --> 01:44:58,227
Speaker 32: be a very close when for the Warriors or perhaps

2256
01:44:58,267 --> 01:45:01,987
Speaker 32: a buy out to the Panthers's that's what's eving on

2257
01:45:02,147 --> 01:45:02,667
Speaker 32: it anyway.

2258
01:45:02,827 --> 01:45:05,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamie, I I feel like you're right. I think

2259
01:45:05,587 --> 01:45:07,387
Speaker 3: if the Warrior is one, I can't see them winning

2260
01:45:07,427 --> 01:45:10,067
Speaker 3: it going away. Having said that, though, mate, you know

2261
01:45:10,147 --> 01:45:11,947
Speaker 3: what they're like when they when they get a roll

2262
01:45:12,027 --> 01:45:15,707
Speaker 3: on and yes it's the Panther's a championship pedigree side,

2263
01:45:15,827 --> 01:45:18,787
Speaker 3: but I don't think anybody stops the Warriors when they

2264
01:45:18,907 --> 01:45:20,787
Speaker 3: really hit their straps, and we've seen that a few

2265
01:45:20,867 --> 01:45:23,507
Speaker 3: times this season. I mean, i'd love to I'd love

2266
01:45:23,547 --> 01:45:25,187
Speaker 3: to be like you, mate, down at the stadium tonight

2267
01:45:25,267 --> 01:45:27,627
Speaker 3: watching when the All Blacks kick off and the Warriors

2268
01:45:27,707 --> 01:45:29,907
Speaker 3: have a handy lead, because you and I will both

2269
01:45:29,987 --> 01:45:33,867
Speaker 3: be checking obviously the score in the other game. But yeah,

2270
01:45:34,147 --> 01:45:36,707
Speaker 3: I mate, enjoy enjoy the rugby tonight and keep your

2271
01:45:36,747 --> 01:45:38,307
Speaker 3: eyes on the Warriors or your ears on it.

2272
01:45:38,427 --> 01:45:38,627
Speaker 6: Mate.

2273
01:45:38,907 --> 01:45:41,147
Speaker 3: I'll look out for you down at sky Stadium tonight.

2274
01:45:41,187 --> 01:45:44,347
Speaker 3: Good to have you joining the show coming up two thirty.

2275
01:45:44,347 --> 01:45:45,947
Speaker 3: You got to take a break then head into the

2276
01:45:46,027 --> 01:45:49,707
Speaker 3: Black Ferns camp tonight they take on South Africa quarterfinal

2277
01:45:49,747 --> 01:45:50,747
Speaker 3: of the Rugby World Cup.

2278
01:45:51,067 --> 01:45:53,267
Speaker 4: Stacey Waka going to join us after.

2279
01:45:53,107 --> 01:45:59,187
Speaker 1: This play from Shed twenty two in Wellington. It's Weekend

2280
01:45:59,307 --> 01:46:03,587
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's

2281
01:46:03,627 --> 01:46:05,747
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news dog.

2282
01:46:05,627 --> 01:46:09,467
Speaker 3: Senvy two thirty two on News Talks he'd beat trifecta tonight,

2283
01:46:09,587 --> 01:46:12,707
Speaker 3: Piney Wars by four, All Blacks by three Black Ferns

2284
01:46:12,747 --> 01:46:16,147
Speaker 3: by thirty. All right, we'll take that under advisement, Pony.

2285
01:46:16,227 --> 01:46:19,347
Speaker 3: We my three sons and I religiously get together whenever

2286
01:46:19,347 --> 01:46:21,867
Speaker 3: the Warriors are playing. We know the Aussies don't like

2287
01:46:21,987 --> 01:46:23,787
Speaker 3: us and the refs can be biased, but we think

2288
01:46:23,867 --> 01:46:27,387
Speaker 3: tonight is the night we love them. I love that text.

2289
01:46:28,107 --> 01:46:31,787
Speaker 3: The Black Ferns meet South Africa in the quarterfinals of

2290
01:46:31,907 --> 01:46:35,467
Speaker 3: the Rugby World Cup and exit tonight kickoff at midnight

2291
01:46:35,507 --> 01:46:39,827
Speaker 3: New Zealand time. Let Dinger linking up on the outside,

2292
01:46:39,947 --> 01:46:43,627
Speaker 3: Sirrenson McKee Jorjia Miller trying to get on the outside.

2293
01:46:43,827 --> 01:46:45,707
Speaker 12: Oh, Paul Bucket found.

2294
01:46:45,747 --> 01:46:48,307
Speaker 21: What have we just seen?

2295
01:46:49,347 --> 01:46:50,347
Speaker 17: What are the tries of.

2296
01:46:50,387 --> 01:46:51,067
Speaker 19: The world juff?

2297
01:46:51,627 --> 01:46:54,467
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant tried to wrap a forty nil win over

2298
01:46:54,587 --> 01:46:57,267
Speaker 3: Ireland in the final Paul match. Black Ferns center Stacy

2299
01:46:57,347 --> 01:47:01,667
Speaker 3: Waka is with us ahead of her milestone thirtieth test tonight. Stacy,

2300
01:47:01,947 --> 01:47:04,467
Speaker 3: how happy of the players and coaching staff being with

2301
01:47:04,667 --> 01:47:06,907
Speaker 3: your unbeaten run through pool play?

2302
01:47:08,147 --> 01:47:09,547
Speaker 33: Yeah, we're pretty sloked.

2303
01:47:09,547 --> 01:47:12,987
Speaker 24: There's a squad we've obviously built over these last three games.

2304
01:47:13,267 --> 01:47:15,987
Speaker 24: Haven't put out the perfect so much yet, but we

2305
01:47:16,187 --> 01:47:18,747
Speaker 24: have found some things that we can work on still,

2306
01:47:19,187 --> 01:47:21,867
Speaker 24: which is exciting because we haven't really reached our peak

2307
01:47:21,947 --> 01:47:23,787
Speaker 24: and there's definitely more potential in the squad.

2308
01:47:23,867 --> 01:47:26,067
Speaker 33: But have we all thought we've done so far? We

2309
01:47:26,267 --> 01:47:27,707
Speaker 33: just we know we've more to gift.

2310
01:47:27,947 --> 01:47:30,547
Speaker 3: So in terms of those improvements and those growth areas,

2311
01:47:30,627 --> 01:47:32,907
Speaker 3: anything in particular you've been focusing.

2312
01:47:32,507 --> 01:47:36,587
Speaker 24: On, Oh, I think for us, it's just execution of

2313
01:47:36,627 --> 01:47:39,067
Speaker 24: our game plan at the right time in the game

2314
01:47:39,187 --> 01:47:40,387
Speaker 24: and in the right parts.

2315
01:47:40,107 --> 01:47:40,627
Speaker 33: Of the field.

2316
01:47:41,467 --> 01:47:44,467
Speaker 24: Few little eras and penalties that I think the first

2317
01:47:44,547 --> 01:47:47,467
Speaker 24: week we had like twenty five plus or something and

2318
01:47:47,587 --> 01:47:49,987
Speaker 24: the end we're we sharpened that down to nine, only

2319
01:47:50,067 --> 01:47:50,987
Speaker 24: nine against Island.

2320
01:47:51,067 --> 01:47:54,587
Speaker 33: So that was a massive growth area for us. And

2321
01:47:54,867 --> 01:47:57,427
Speaker 33: we know that if we give those penalties.

2322
01:47:57,027 --> 01:47:59,667
Speaker 24: Away or we give silly eras away the other teams,

2323
01:47:59,707 --> 01:48:01,707
Speaker 24: we let them into the game and you know, it

2324
01:48:01,907 --> 01:48:04,467
Speaker 24: starts to become a chasing one instead of us kind

2325
01:48:04,507 --> 01:48:07,427
Speaker 24: of being in control and full flow. So yeah, hopefully

2326
01:48:07,907 --> 01:48:09,867
Speaker 24: little less of those in the next coming weeks and

2327
01:48:10,227 --> 01:48:10,627
Speaker 24: then will be.

2328
01:48:10,667 --> 01:48:10,987
Speaker 18: Good to go.

2329
01:48:11,387 --> 01:48:13,067
Speaker 4: The game against Ireland forty nil.

2330
01:48:13,347 --> 01:48:15,307
Speaker 3: I think most people expected it to be, you know,

2331
01:48:15,387 --> 01:48:17,227
Speaker 3: your toughest Paul game, but you really put on a

2332
01:48:17,227 --> 01:48:20,107
Speaker 3: great performance. Were you as pleased with the nil as

2333
01:48:20,147 --> 01:48:21,747
Speaker 3: you were with the forty that day?

2334
01:48:23,027 --> 01:48:25,787
Speaker 24: Yeah, Look, honestly, I think we're happy with the nil

2335
01:48:25,867 --> 01:48:27,467
Speaker 24: more so than the forty. I think we could have

2336
01:48:27,547 --> 01:48:30,747
Speaker 24: probably put a few more tries on the board in certain.

2337
01:48:30,467 --> 01:48:32,427
Speaker 33: Parts of the game, where like I said, we gave

2338
01:48:32,467 --> 01:48:34,427
Speaker 33: way too many pettleties and we didn't have the ball

2339
01:48:35,027 --> 01:48:37,467
Speaker 33: as such or as much in the second.

2340
01:48:37,227 --> 01:48:40,387
Speaker 24: Half, So yeah, pretty pleased with our defense. It's obviously

2341
01:48:40,467 --> 01:48:43,227
Speaker 24: been alder on from the last two of the first

2342
01:48:43,267 --> 01:48:46,507
Speaker 24: few POUL matches, so yeah, we'll keep grinding away at

2343
01:48:46,507 --> 01:48:48,547
Speaker 24: that and hopefully we can give a few more donuts

2344
01:48:48,587 --> 01:48:49,587
Speaker 24: to these next teams.

2345
01:48:50,707 --> 01:48:53,227
Speaker 3: How much do you expect the intensity to ramp up

2346
01:48:53,307 --> 01:48:54,587
Speaker 3: now that we're at knockout time?

2347
01:48:55,507 --> 01:48:56,547
Speaker 33: Oh, it's nuts.

2348
01:48:56,587 --> 01:48:58,947
Speaker 24: It's going to ramp up, peeps, and one not only

2349
01:48:59,067 --> 01:49:02,467
Speaker 24: is it lookout round, but to the pressure. South Africa

2350
01:49:02,507 --> 01:49:05,667
Speaker 24: has never been in this position before, so they're excited.

2351
01:49:05,707 --> 01:49:07,467
Speaker 33: They've got a clarly nothing to lose.

2352
01:49:07,867 --> 01:49:11,307
Speaker 24: They're a really strong and physical team, so I expect

2353
01:49:11,387 --> 01:49:14,027
Speaker 24: them to throw everything at us, which is fair enough.

2354
01:49:14,307 --> 01:49:16,187
Speaker 33: It's a big game in a big moment.

2355
01:49:16,347 --> 01:49:18,987
Speaker 24: But yeah, we've got some good plans up our sleeves,

2356
01:49:19,027 --> 01:49:20,707
Speaker 24: so I can't wait to get out there and play.

2357
01:49:21,547 --> 01:49:23,387
Speaker 3: And I say that I've named a seven to one

2358
01:49:23,547 --> 01:49:27,267
Speaker 3: bench split as well, Yeah, which I mean, man, it's

2359
01:49:27,347 --> 01:49:30,067
Speaker 3: just like it's obviously something their men's team has done

2360
01:49:30,107 --> 01:49:32,387
Speaker 3: to great effect as well in recent times. What do

2361
01:49:32,427 --> 01:49:34,667
Speaker 3: you think that says about the way that they want

2362
01:49:34,707 --> 01:49:35,267
Speaker 3: to play the game.

2363
01:49:36,227 --> 01:49:39,187
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, I mean it's not rocket science to know

2364
01:49:39,387 --> 01:49:42,307
Speaker 24: that their forward's dominant team. If you watch their last

2365
01:49:42,347 --> 01:49:44,947
Speaker 24: three matches, they love picking and going at the right.

2366
01:49:44,987 --> 01:49:47,427
Speaker 24: They love using their big, strong forwards to get them

2367
01:49:47,507 --> 01:49:50,307
Speaker 24: go forward and momentum. And they obviously have trust in

2368
01:49:50,387 --> 01:49:53,667
Speaker 24: their backs when they need to. But it's heavily dominated

2369
01:49:53,747 --> 01:49:54,347
Speaker 24: in the forwards.

2370
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Speaker 33: So that's what they want to do, right.

2371
01:49:55,907 --> 01:49:57,427
Speaker 24: They want to try and go through us, keep going

2372
01:49:57,467 --> 01:50:00,147
Speaker 24: through us, keep going through us, and then recycle that

2373
01:50:00,307 --> 01:50:01,467
Speaker 24: was their seven to one split.

2374
01:50:01,547 --> 01:50:04,427
Speaker 33: But hey, when I stop that, we've practiced little week.

2375
01:50:04,507 --> 01:50:06,267
Speaker 33: We've seen all the footage that we need to see.

2376
01:50:06,747 --> 01:50:08,107
Speaker 33: And yeah, as you say, bring it.

2377
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Speaker 3: On, good stuff, and I mean all things being equal,

2378
01:50:10,707 --> 01:50:12,787
Speaker 3: as you're saying, for them, nothing to lose really never

2379
01:50:12,867 --> 01:50:13,347
Speaker 3: been this far.

2380
01:50:13,987 --> 01:50:15,467
Speaker 4: They could just throw the kitchen sink at it.

2381
01:50:15,547 --> 01:50:17,587
Speaker 3: Nothing to lose for them from your point of view,

2382
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Speaker 3: all things being equal, stay, so you should beat South Africa.

2383
01:50:20,747 --> 01:50:23,427
Speaker 3: So how do you avoid any possible complacency?

2384
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Speaker 18: Yeah?

2385
01:50:25,267 --> 01:50:28,507
Speaker 33: Look, I think we've talked about that the last three weeks.

2386
01:50:28,667 --> 01:50:30,987
Speaker 33: We can't be complacent in any situation.

2387
01:50:31,627 --> 01:50:34,547
Speaker 24: Every team that plays against US almost grows another arm

2388
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Speaker 24: and a leg because the black jersey is so sacred

2389
01:50:37,187 --> 01:50:38,187
Speaker 24: or is so special.

2390
01:50:38,547 --> 01:50:39,467
Speaker 33: And I've got a few.

2391
01:50:39,387 --> 01:50:43,227
Speaker 24: Team teammates, sorry, players in that team who have played

2392
01:50:43,387 --> 01:50:45,987
Speaker 24: against on the World seven series, and they said.

2393
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Speaker 33: You know, we've always been the nation that they've looked

2394
01:50:48,147 --> 01:50:50,947
Speaker 33: up to that have inspired them to want to be better.

2395
01:50:51,107 --> 01:50:54,707
Speaker 33: So it's easy for us to kind of look at

2396
01:50:54,747 --> 01:50:56,347
Speaker 33: it like, oh, this is their first time.

2397
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Speaker 24: But then where we're all I suppose humble and excited

2398
01:51:00,107 --> 01:51:02,707
Speaker 24: players who just want to be better and everything that

2399
01:51:02,827 --> 01:51:06,467
Speaker 24: we do, and so we'll never stay complacent and what

2400
01:51:06,547 --> 01:51:07,547
Speaker 24: we have or what we've done.

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01:51:07,627 --> 01:51:10,347
Speaker 33: We're always finding ways to be better. It's the fours,

2402
01:51:10,347 --> 01:51:12,427
Speaker 33: that's the backs and everything in our skill sets.

2403
01:51:12,467 --> 01:51:15,187
Speaker 24: So I'm pretty confident that the girls will will find

2404
01:51:15,227 --> 01:51:16,587
Speaker 24: their superpower this weekend.

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Speaker 3: So for you personally, you've been out of the Black

2406
01:51:18,787 --> 01:51:21,787
Speaker 3: Ferns since the last Rugby World Cup sevens and obviously

2407
01:51:21,907 --> 01:51:26,187
Speaker 3: Rugby League as well. How did you transition so seamlessly

2408
01:51:26,347 --> 01:51:29,707
Speaker 3: back into fifteens when you returned in May of this year.

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Speaker 33: I wouldn't say it was a seamless transition.

2410
01:51:34,187 --> 01:51:34,787
Speaker 18: I think.

2411
01:51:36,547 --> 01:51:38,267
Speaker 33: I think I did that. It's a lot of work.

2412
01:51:39,187 --> 01:51:44,587
Speaker 33: I never really had ambitions to be here at first.

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01:51:44,667 --> 01:51:47,147
Speaker 24: If you asked me three years ago, I thought, man,

2414
01:51:47,267 --> 01:51:51,267
Speaker 24: that's me done of fifteens. But obviously jump out opportunities

2415
01:51:51,307 --> 01:51:53,547
Speaker 24: when I can, but say no when.

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01:51:53,467 --> 01:51:54,387
Speaker 33: This year came around.

2417
01:51:54,467 --> 01:51:59,027
Speaker 24: And for me it's easy physically to kind of transition

2418
01:51:59,147 --> 01:52:01,587
Speaker 24: because you know, I'm fit, fas strong, whatever you need

2419
01:52:01,667 --> 01:52:05,427
Speaker 24: to be in condition. It's more than mental mindset around

2420
01:52:05,867 --> 01:52:09,267
Speaker 24: understand and learning new game plans, working with combinations and

2421
01:52:09,307 --> 01:52:10,827
Speaker 24: connections with different teammates.

2422
01:52:11,467 --> 01:52:14,027
Speaker 33: Who will you know, we all come from different.

2423
01:52:13,787 --> 01:52:16,227
Speaker 24: Regions, so coming together in this fifteen seat up for

2424
01:52:16,267 --> 01:52:19,747
Speaker 24: a World Cup is quite hard. The detail in the

2425
01:52:19,867 --> 01:52:22,587
Speaker 24: game plan from the coaches is obviously very different to

2426
01:52:22,667 --> 01:52:25,067
Speaker 24: some movies from last World Cup, so you've had to

2427
01:52:25,187 --> 01:52:27,347
Speaker 24: put in a brit work behind the scenes. So obviously

2428
01:52:27,467 --> 01:52:29,707
Speaker 24: get up to speed or learn everything and see all

2429
01:52:29,747 --> 01:52:32,467
Speaker 24: these different pictures because you play seven's just play to

2430
01:52:32,507 --> 01:52:32,907
Speaker 24: the space.

2431
01:52:33,467 --> 01:52:35,307
Speaker 33: There's a game plan, but not really you just catch

2432
01:52:35,387 --> 01:52:36,867
Speaker 33: past run and then that's it.

2433
01:52:38,387 --> 01:52:38,867
Speaker 12: I love that.

2434
01:52:39,227 --> 01:52:40,307
Speaker 4: I I just want to ask you for a couple

2435
01:52:40,307 --> 01:52:40,867
Speaker 4: of your teammates.

2436
01:52:40,867 --> 01:52:42,467
Speaker 3: You got a couple of the youngsters who are catching

2437
01:52:42,507 --> 01:52:46,987
Speaker 3: the eye, Georgia Miller and Braxton Sorenson McGee man.

2438
01:52:47,347 --> 01:52:49,907
Speaker 4: How much energy have those two in particular brought to

2439
01:52:49,987 --> 01:52:51,347
Speaker 4: the to the fifteenth environment.

2440
01:52:52,787 --> 01:52:57,387
Speaker 33: Yeah, well, actually they're both completely different people. So Brexas's

2441
01:52:57,507 --> 01:52:58,667
Speaker 33: energy is very different.

2442
01:52:58,787 --> 01:53:01,107
Speaker 24: She's a bit more mellow and shell You obviously see

2443
01:53:01,147 --> 01:53:03,387
Speaker 24: more in her actions than you do with her kind

2444
01:53:03,427 --> 01:53:06,547
Speaker 24: of persona Georgia Malo on the other hand, it's a

2445
01:53:06,587 --> 01:53:07,307
Speaker 24: bit loud.

2446
01:53:07,067 --> 01:53:09,547
Speaker 33: And a bit out there. She's very comfortable in their

2447
01:53:09,547 --> 01:53:11,947
Speaker 33: own skin, which I love. But we do have a

2448
01:53:12,027 --> 01:53:14,467
Speaker 33: lot of banter with her. She doesn't seem like she's

2449
01:53:14,547 --> 01:53:16,667
Speaker 33: only twenty one either. It's like she's been there forever.

2450
01:53:17,427 --> 01:53:20,827
Speaker 33: But it's really cool, it's real refreshing, it's real exciting.

2451
01:53:21,067 --> 01:53:23,267
Speaker 24: I mean, I'm glad they're on our team because the

2452
01:53:23,427 --> 01:53:25,907
Speaker 24: flair and the school that they bring to our team

2453
01:53:26,067 --> 01:53:27,107
Speaker 24: is absolutely massive.

2454
01:53:27,267 --> 01:53:31,067
Speaker 33: So yeah, it's causing them flow flourish in every single

2455
01:53:31,107 --> 01:53:33,827
Speaker 33: way doing their thing on the fields.

2456
01:53:33,867 --> 01:53:37,507
Speaker 24: Obviously, real natural talent really gift the players, And yeah,

2457
01:53:37,667 --> 01:53:40,027
Speaker 24: I'm happy for them and the marks they have stamped

2458
01:53:40,067 --> 01:53:41,187
Speaker 24: so far under your company.

2459
01:53:41,267 --> 01:53:43,587
Speaker 3: Indeed, and just to finish Dacy your third World Cup,

2460
01:53:43,667 --> 01:53:47,907
Speaker 3: of course, how much guidance have you found yourself giving

2461
01:53:47,987 --> 01:53:50,027
Speaker 3: to some of the younger players, some of the players

2462
01:53:50,027 --> 01:53:51,067
Speaker 3: who are at their first one.

2463
01:53:52,707 --> 01:53:55,747
Speaker 33: Yeah, I think honestly, it still goes both ways.

2464
01:53:55,867 --> 01:53:58,147
Speaker 24: Like, yes, it's my third Rearl Carpan, this is my

2465
01:53:58,267 --> 01:54:00,987
Speaker 24: thirtieth test. It's taken ten years, so a little bit

2466
01:54:01,067 --> 01:54:03,267
Speaker 24: of a few years to get there.

2467
01:54:03,347 --> 01:54:05,987
Speaker 33: But the confidence in these girls.

2468
01:54:05,787 --> 01:54:08,867
Speaker 24: Young days, it's awesome, Like I'll share what I share,

2469
01:54:08,947 --> 01:54:11,227
Speaker 24: but most of the time they really know, so.

2470
01:54:11,467 --> 01:54:12,507
Speaker 33: It's technically quite cool.

2471
01:54:12,547 --> 01:54:14,587
Speaker 24: And then they share things like me and I'm like, oh, yeah,

2472
01:54:14,787 --> 01:54:17,107
Speaker 24: it's cool that you see it this way. So that's

2473
01:54:17,187 --> 01:54:20,107
Speaker 24: probably the culture that we've brought and we've made here.

2474
01:54:20,307 --> 01:54:23,347
Speaker 24: As you know, everyone's been confident in themselves. Everyone has

2475
01:54:23,387 --> 01:54:26,587
Speaker 24: a voice. Everyone's here for a reason, So why do

2476
01:54:26,827 --> 01:54:30,147
Speaker 24: the old younger ones have to listen to old ones

2477
01:54:30,227 --> 01:54:32,187
Speaker 24: or other way around? You know, as long as we

2478
01:54:32,227 --> 01:54:36,107
Speaker 24: can collaborate and work in ways together, it be beneficial

2479
01:54:36,147 --> 01:54:36,747
Speaker 24: for the whole team.

2480
01:54:36,827 --> 01:54:39,107
Speaker 33: I definitely think that's how we work these days.

2481
01:54:39,827 --> 01:54:41,867
Speaker 3: Well over here, we're all stocking up on the coffee

2482
01:54:42,027 --> 01:54:45,747
Speaker 3: Stacey for the next three All the best things please, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for taking the time for a chat,

2485
01:54:50,747 --> 01:54:51,667
Speaker 4: no worries.

2486
01:54:51,387 --> 01:54:54,307
Speaker 33: Thank you, and thank you for your early mornings. I

2487
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Speaker 33: know it's hard and tough, but how you will put

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Speaker 3: I We'll stay with you. Don't you worry about that, Stacey?

2490
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Speaker 3: Thanks indeed, Stacey Walker from the Black Ferns to hit

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Speaker 18: It's a team that will probably look at at the performance.

2563
01:58:40,107 --> 01:58:41,547
Speaker 18: They created a lot.

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01:58:41,627 --> 01:58:44,707
Speaker 14: They had I think twelve or thirteen twenty two meter entries,

2565
01:58:44,747 --> 01:58:47,467
Speaker 14: but they could just don't convert that pressure, so it

2566
01:58:47,907 --> 01:58:51,267
Speaker 14: was sort of what I want to call it messy.

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01:58:51,387 --> 01:58:55,107
Speaker 14: And when they got to the region, which was compounding areas,

2568
01:58:55,107 --> 01:58:57,907
Speaker 14: it would be a missed line out to be you know,

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01:58:57,987 --> 01:59:00,027
Speaker 14: they win the line up and the wall get dropped

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01:59:00,067 --> 01:59:01,667
Speaker 14: in the kit going, then there'll be a knock on

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01:59:02,387 --> 01:59:04,787
Speaker 14: or some pressure there. But the BWA Zealand did well

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01:59:04,867 --> 01:59:07,907
Speaker 14: to disrupt the spring Box and probably seven points is

2573
01:59:07,907 --> 01:59:09,827
Speaker 14: probably a fair reflection of the game really at the

2574
01:59:09,947 --> 01:59:10,187
Speaker 14: end in.

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01:59:10,267 --> 01:59:11,707
Speaker 18: Terms of the new Zealand victory.

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01:59:11,827 --> 01:59:14,307
Speaker 14: Eden Park was always going to be a difficult place

2577
01:59:14,387 --> 01:59:16,507
Speaker 14: to win, but to win, they need to put up

2578
01:59:16,547 --> 01:59:19,987
Speaker 14: your best performance, and the spring Box was slightly all collor.

2579
01:59:20,307 --> 01:59:23,507
Speaker 4: How desperate then will they be to produce a big

2580
01:59:23,667 --> 01:59:24,507
Speaker 4: reaction tonight?

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01:59:25,027 --> 01:59:25,667
Speaker 18: It'll be desperate.

2582
01:59:25,707 --> 01:59:28,547
Speaker 14: Look, it's a similar to you guys, every time you

2583
01:59:28,627 --> 01:59:30,587
Speaker 14: put on the spring Box chers, every time they are not,

2584
01:59:30,667 --> 01:59:34,307
Speaker 14: there is an expectation to deliver excellence in New Zealand.

2585
01:59:34,627 --> 01:59:37,027
Speaker 14: It's the greatest library. It's it's a harder place to win,

2586
01:59:37,587 --> 01:59:39,787
Speaker 14: and when you're especial, it's a it's you know, we

2587
01:59:39,867 --> 01:59:42,067
Speaker 14: always remember the wins we have in New Zealand against

2588
01:59:42,067 --> 01:59:44,747
Speaker 14: New Zealand. We informed the truck last year, but none

2589
01:59:44,787 --> 01:59:46,467
Speaker 14: of them were in New Zealand. And the team will

2590
01:59:46,507 --> 01:59:47,867
Speaker 14: be desperate together results here.

2591
01:59:48,547 --> 01:59:50,987
Speaker 3: Obviously a lot of hype around last weekend's game, and

2592
01:59:51,067 --> 01:59:53,547
Speaker 3: there is tonight as well. But with the Eden Park record,

2593
01:59:53,667 --> 01:59:56,947
Speaker 3: the undefeated record, all of the you know, the emotion

2594
01:59:57,067 --> 01:59:59,067
Speaker 3: that was wrapped around last week, can you see the

2595
01:59:59,107 --> 02:00:01,987
Speaker 3: spring Box getting up again in similar fashion for the

2596
02:00:02,067 --> 02:00:02,627
Speaker 3: game tonight.

2597
02:00:02,867 --> 02:00:05,067
Speaker 14: Yeah, they'll get up and purely because also we we

2598
02:00:05,387 --> 02:00:07,467
Speaker 14: take this quite a bit so there's a lot of

2599
02:00:07,587 --> 02:00:11,267
Speaker 14: internal competition within the squad, which means guys will want

2600
02:00:11,267 --> 02:00:13,907
Speaker 14: to perform and put the big foot forward and that

2601
02:00:14,587 --> 02:00:15,707
Speaker 14: that's good for the spring books.

2602
02:00:15,747 --> 02:00:18,467
Speaker 18: But the reality is it's it's you know, it's a

2603
02:00:18,547 --> 02:00:19,147
Speaker 18: Dorby game.

2604
02:00:19,787 --> 02:00:22,107
Speaker 14: It's it's a massive rivalry and don't get up for

2605
02:00:22,187 --> 02:00:24,827
Speaker 14: they They've never not been up for it, you know.

2606
02:00:24,867 --> 02:00:26,547
Speaker 14: And I don't think the gap between the two teams

2607
02:00:26,667 --> 02:00:28,787
Speaker 14: is that big, to be honest with you. And there's

2608
02:00:28,787 --> 02:00:31,147
Speaker 14: plenty of South Africans, as we said, stand here, I'm

2609
02:00:31,147 --> 02:00:33,227
Speaker 14: watching the guys walking into the team bus and there's

2610
02:00:33,227 --> 02:00:35,707
Speaker 14: loads of South Africans just taking pictures here, so they

2611
02:00:35,787 --> 02:00:39,907
Speaker 14: understand what's required to understand that, you know, in front

2612
02:00:39,947 --> 02:00:41,947
Speaker 14: of them, and it's something that they're always embrace.

2613
02:00:42,507 --> 02:00:45,267
Speaker 3: What have you made of the raft of changes Rassi

2614
02:00:45,307 --> 02:00:47,707
Speaker 3: Erasthmus has made to the side for tonight.

2615
02:00:48,147 --> 02:00:49,147
Speaker 18: Well, they're good, they're good.

2616
02:00:49,187 --> 02:00:51,347
Speaker 14: Look, we have rotated a bitch, I mean, such a

2617
02:00:51,387 --> 02:00:54,667
Speaker 14: fun working from Missoulia, played probably ten years Sea Games

2618
02:00:54,707 --> 02:00:56,387
Speaker 14: last year and everyone thought he's going to get introduced

2619
02:00:56,387 --> 02:00:57,347
Speaker 14: into the springball team.

2620
02:00:57,707 --> 02:01:00,187
Speaker 18: We weren't start against New Zealand and look what's happened.

2621
02:01:00,227 --> 02:01:02,907
Speaker 14: Now he started last year and he's probably the best

2622
02:01:03,027 --> 02:01:06,987
Speaker 14: young africoming talent in the world. Rust and he says, yeah,

2623
02:01:07,067 --> 02:01:10,427
Speaker 14: two Calen made the Springboks. I think there's a three

2624
02:01:10,507 --> 02:01:13,947
Speaker 14: year old against Australia which we won. So it's as

2625
02:01:14,027 --> 02:01:15,747
Speaker 14: much as it's a lot of changes. These guys have

2626
02:01:15,867 --> 02:01:17,587
Speaker 14: been around the block and they know what to do.

2627
02:01:18,387 --> 02:01:20,467
Speaker 18: It's exciting. Was a infant book at.

2628
02:01:20,427 --> 02:01:22,227
Speaker 14: The New Zealanders wouldn't seen a lot about it, face

2629
02:01:22,227 --> 02:01:24,907
Speaker 14: with the starts that they did, spared age groups to

2630
02:01:25,067 --> 02:01:26,747
Speaker 14: ut So he's a very good player and if he's

2631
02:01:26,787 --> 02:01:28,507
Speaker 14: given a little bit of space and he's staff is

2632
02:01:28,547 --> 02:01:28,987
Speaker 14: a big way.

2633
02:01:29,747 --> 02:01:31,627
Speaker 3: Did you think that he might have gone in one

2634
02:01:31,707 --> 02:01:34,787
Speaker 3: or both tests Russie with a six to two bench

2635
02:01:34,787 --> 02:01:37,787
Speaker 3: split given how effective that was last year in both

2636
02:01:37,867 --> 02:01:39,027
Speaker 3: Johannesburg and Cape Town.

2637
02:01:39,347 --> 02:01:41,387
Speaker 14: Yeah, some of the backs don't have a lot of minutes.

2638
02:01:41,427 --> 02:01:43,787
Speaker 14: I think that's why he couldn't go with we went

2639
02:01:43,907 --> 02:01:45,627
Speaker 14: five to three. But Chester Hazen can come in a

2640
02:01:45,747 --> 02:01:48,267
Speaker 14: center and flame. So this week you can either look

2641
02:01:48,307 --> 02:01:50,107
Speaker 14: at it as the five to three or a hybrid

2642
02:01:50,267 --> 02:01:50,707
Speaker 14: sixth tree.

2643
02:01:51,547 --> 02:01:53,947
Speaker 18: So that's what he's done this week. Oh guess name

2644
02:01:54,067 --> 02:01:54,227
Speaker 18: was a.

2645
02:01:54,227 --> 02:01:56,867
Speaker 14: Big one because as a lot he's quite a bigger

2646
02:01:56,947 --> 02:01:59,467
Speaker 14: but a massive offload. It's almost like a basketball play

2647
02:01:59,467 --> 02:02:00,747
Speaker 14: in terms of this fall floating game.

2648
02:02:01,347 --> 02:02:03,707
Speaker 18: They can get the pull away within context, so it's

2649
02:02:03,707 --> 02:02:04,747
Speaker 18: going to be an exciting game.

2650
02:02:05,027 --> 02:02:07,627
Speaker 3: Do you think the spring Box will continue the aerial

2651
02:02:07,667 --> 02:02:09,427
Speaker 3: assault they employed last weekend?

2652
02:02:09,947 --> 02:02:11,867
Speaker 18: I think the condition sort of detected that.

2653
02:02:13,067 --> 02:02:16,187
Speaker 14: I thought Christie kicked probably the most and he was good,

2654
02:02:16,267 --> 02:02:18,587
Speaker 14: so you've got to adapt to the conditions.

2655
02:02:18,627 --> 02:02:20,867
Speaker 18: You could see that midfield area a lot of the

2656
02:02:20,907 --> 02:02:21,627
Speaker 18: teams are kicking.

2657
02:02:22,107 --> 02:02:24,187
Speaker 14: I think what you might maybe see from both teams

2658
02:02:24,227 --> 02:02:27,347
Speaker 14: as variation and kicking instead of kicking from nine, kicked

2659
02:02:27,347 --> 02:02:30,307
Speaker 14: from ten, kick from twelve, kicked from fifteen, And try

2660
02:02:30,307 --> 02:02:32,107
Speaker 14: to isolate someone from the VAC and us.

2661
02:02:32,067 --> 02:02:35,907
Speaker 3: That this is a very experienced South African side in

2662
02:02:36,267 --> 02:02:39,707
Speaker 3: many areas, other areas it's not quite so experienced. How

2663
02:02:39,827 --> 02:02:42,747
Speaker 3: many of the players involved in the spring Box squad

2664
02:02:42,867 --> 02:02:45,467
Speaker 3: now do you expect to not be there in a

2665
02:02:45,547 --> 02:02:47,427
Speaker 3: couple of years at the next Rugby World Cup.

2666
02:02:48,107 --> 02:02:51,467
Speaker 14: It's difficult to tell because you can't do you look

2667
02:02:51,507 --> 02:02:53,787
Speaker 14: at the performance, not the age of the playing. So

2668
02:02:53,987 --> 02:02:56,867
Speaker 14: if you look at a guy like what's there for

2669
02:02:56,947 --> 02:02:59,587
Speaker 14: example two thousand and three, people see it's two old

2670
02:02:59,987 --> 02:03:02,907
Speaker 14: two thousand and seven ended up winning the worlddown you know,

2671
02:03:03,147 --> 02:03:05,987
Speaker 14: so I think what the chapter on months for spiders

2672
02:03:06,027 --> 02:03:07,867
Speaker 14: listen it did you play well old enough?

2673
02:03:07,907 --> 02:03:08,627
Speaker 18: It actually does in.

2674
02:03:09,507 --> 02:03:11,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, hen Yanni, how good to leave it there, mate,

2675
02:03:11,587 --> 02:03:15,227
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Han Yanni Shamangi, former Springbok and

2676
02:03:15,307 --> 02:03:18,787
Speaker 3: now TV Rugby analyst with super Sport News Talk tib

2677
02:03:18,947 --> 02:03:19,707
Speaker 3: coming up seven to.

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Speaker 1: Three live from Shed twenty two and Wellington ahead of

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Speaker 1: the Old Lacks V South Africa Weekend Sport with Jason

2680
02:03:28,147 --> 02:03:32,067
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home

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02:03:32,107 --> 02:03:35,187
Speaker 1: builder on your Home of Sports used Talk SIMV.

2682
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Speaker 3: Right time for us to clear out of here because

2683
02:03:37,667 --> 02:03:39,827
Speaker 3: it's getting noisy. Huge thanks to those who have joined

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Speaker 3: the show, Thank you for listening, and massive thanks to

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Speaker 3: Andy McDonald for producing what's our exit song today? Mate? Yeah?

2686
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Speaker 9: A lot of chat Piney about how sleep's overrated tonight,

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02:03:47,907 --> 02:03:51,667
Speaker 9: so I've gone with Insomnia by Faithless to send us

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02:03:51,707 --> 02:03:52,147
Speaker 9: out today.

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Speaker 4: It's a good one too.

2690
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Speaker 3: We'll join or join us for a build up tonight

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Speaker 3: from six, commentary from seven and then We'll unpack it

2692
02:03:58,827 --> 02:04:11,947
Speaker 3: all tomorrow on Weekend Sports. See you then, I need.

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